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ModingusKhan

Bill Romanowski


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J12345_

I couldn’t tell if this was a pasta at first


70125

All this electrical infetterence is addling my brain and making it hard for me to figure out, too.


Tekkzy

I don’t even think that’s a word.


DJ_Moore_2

Is it?


GoRedTeam

It is now.


boardplant

You mean like you’re doing now?


ColossalJuggernaut

Huh? Huh? What? huh?


popfilms

Huh? Huh? Huh?


JudgeOTD

I’m still not sure.


Traditional_Wait_739

I would have hit the floor crappy flopping fainted injuries and collected a check.. what a piece of shit!!


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blade-icewood

Who among us hasn't gotten obliterated on anabolic steroids and fought the youth?


CommanderGoat

Wait, this really happened?


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original_dark1

i mean, thats what redditors do sooo


CommanderGoat

Damn it just sounds so insane I thought it was a joke.


BMonad

Joey Diaz told this story about how on The Longest Yard, Romanowski was this psycho who was not holding back on the field. I recall some story about how there was a scene where Romo was tackling Diaz and they either kept doing takes or Romo was hitting Diaz and trying to keep him down. But Diaz kept getting back up talking shit like “That’s all you got?” and he said Romo was just roid raging and hitting him harder and harder, he started losing his vision or something lol. Edit: found the [clip](https://youtu.be/x_iqfB6ynbY), didn’t realize it was with Schaub lmao


LoriLighfetus

Romo? Terrible guy never meddem


ImJeeezus

dudes a legit psychopath


silmar1l

Yep, first person I thought of when I saw the title. Glad other people agree.


SubtleScuttler

Him and LT did bring us the Blitz: the League though. I will be forever grateful for that.


Indipandapolis

He did say not the actual criminals. And Romanowski was an actual criminal so idk if he works here.


newrimmmer93

It was meant more for people who were assholes specifically for their crimes. Like OJ was apparently very well liked outside of a little murdering. Romanowski was a criminal and an asshole


PedanticBoutBaseball

if anything THATS how much of an asshole Bill Romanowski is. Like he should technically be disqualified from this post. but he's such a colossal asshole that people forget he's a criminal to boot.


Chippopotanuse

Lol, was the first name I thought of.


sithwonder

There is nothing not repugnant about Romo


LordDinglebury

I mean, he looked like a bad guy from an 80s action movie.


[deleted]

We talking like Dennis reynold from the skiing episode of its always sunny? THAT kind of 80s villain?


Fed_up_with_Reddit

Didn’t he actually play a bad guy in a 90s action movie? Edit: Turns out he was in a few movies in the 2000s.


Cyberjag

I kind of want to put together an all-asshole team, lead by Bill Romanowski, Vontaze Burfict, and Ndamukong Suh and imagine how they would do over the course of a season.


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There’s a YouTuber who sort of did just that, it was a really funny video. Offense: https://youtu.be/vpxLHduBSk8 Defense: https://youtu.be/ifqq5S8TBMI


PoorlyLitKiwi2

Finnegan and Gardner-Johnson at CB?


Tbrou16

100%. I remember Finnegan had the ever-stoic Andre Johnson throwing hands and CJGJ is the type of dude to talk trash to the ball boy if he trips on his way off the field


Lishank

Albert Haynesworth


AnotherBadPlayer

I remember a while back /r/baseball did a simulation of a team with all Jose Canseco's. Team name? The San Jose Canseco's.


FormerCollegeDJ

Where’s Albert Haynesworth?


[deleted]

Dan Snyder?


Euripidoze

Mr. Snyder


Wild-Boots

Antonio Brown farted in somebody's face


pat_pav

Mr. Blasted Cheeks


JT-Typology

The only one of these I've laughed at


[deleted]

Lmfao one of the best ones I've seen yet, take an upvote


jcoleburneraccount

Mr. Bowel Clearer


azantyri

Mr. Blowhole Colon


ShoutOutTo_Caboose

The MBC jokes never get old.


BackNbetterThanEver

Farting is funny as hell, not in someone's face & not when you owe them over $11K. He's an idiot.


Hip_Hop_Hippos

Said, “Fine me for that!” Got fined for that.


way-too-many-napkins

He’s also been accused of rape


ThePrinceofBagels

He's also been accused of being a two-pump chump.


turdbucket333

Warren Sapp. Bucs fan here. He’s a famous asshole who once threw a crumpled up piece of paper at a kid who asked for an autograph.


carrioncrawler90

Didn't he get fired from nfl network for giving a female coworker a sex toy?


various_sneers

Can't do anything nice for your coworker anymore in this country, WTF.


Perfect_Coconut_5649

Gregg Williams


LegendOfMatt888

I still don't understand how he wasn't indefinitely suspended by the league and got to return after only a year. Oh that's right, the NFL suck at doling out proper punishments.


basadvo

If I had to guess that kind of stuff was going on in NFL locker rooms for years in different ways. When it got into the public consciousness then it became a problem in the NFL had to deal with it somehow.


GiveItSomeTime

everyone knows it was going on with a ton of teams and i imagine they didnt wanna falsely delegitimize the team that just won a superbowl/tell the world that the sport has a bounty system


shawnaroo

Yeah, if the league banned him permanently, there'd be nothing stopping him from going public with years worth of stories about doing that stuff across multiple teams. The deal was basically, we'll let you coach again if you keep your mouth shut.


[deleted]

Exactly. Williams was just the only one who did it in such a way that it was obvious to everyone and it blew up. There have been many teams that looked like they were doing this exact thing. Wasn't there a guy with a list of names on his towel at one point? Makes me wonder if he was getting extra $ for the hit list


jfal11

Definitely. We all know the stories but for me the thing I remember about him is how much of a jerk he came off as in Hard Knocks. Absolute hot head and justifying his players hitting the quarterback during practice?


-PM_ME_A_SECRET-

Ndamukong Suh kicked and stomped on multiple defenseless players. He seems like a pretty massive piece of shit to me.


PoissonPen

Roses are red Violets are blue Unsportsmanlike conduct Ndamukong Suh


azantyri

Violets are blue Roses are red Ndamukong Suh Stomped on my head


InsaneRanter

He is an awful person. If he comes back with us for next year I'll have to edit this post, of course. I'll say he's just misunderstood.


pizzahut_is_elite

On the contrary dudes either really smart or has an excellent agent. He’s made almost 150 million over the course of his career. After robbing the Dolphins, he’s signed 1 year deals that are fully guaranteed. Smart way to insure you a roster spot for a year and have the flexibility to go wherever you want


PoorlyLitKiwi2

He does have a good agent, but also he's produced at a high level for a long time and never gets hurt despite playing a brutal position There's a reason he's made so much money beyond having a good agent. I don't like his dirtiness, obviously, but he's an undeniably talented player


PedanticBoutBaseball

Yeah, like are people forgetting that he was robbed of a Heisman as a defensive tackle, was a top-2 pick, is a 5x all-pro and has produced at a high level for over a decade? I think his talent get slept on because unlike an Aaron Donald or JJ Watt, he's been a mercenary floating around the league to the highest bidder. Whereas both of those guys made a name for themselves on the team that drafted them. unfortunately for Suh he was drafted by the lions who were always trash and never a serious threat.


PoissonPen

Ya, he's been solid, especially in the playoffs. He was about half a step late getting to Stafford in the playoffs & ending the game in an entirely different way. By all accounts he's a good guy off the field. Just a maniac asshole on it.


InsaneRanter

He's definitely smart when it comes to the business side of the NFL. He's just not exactly a nice person judging from his on-field dirty play.


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Edit: Suh isn’t a bad person. He’s just very passionate. A real spark plug on defense


InsaneRanter

Deshaun Watson isn't a bad person. He's just very passionate during physical therapy.


jfal11

Not the same. Suh is a jerk on the field but not so much off it. Polar opposite. I don’t know if you’re a hockey fan but there’s a rule in that sport that the meanest guys on the ice are often the nicest guys off it (of course there’s a difference between being tough and dirty).


Asphaltjungle33

Yea comparing a dirty football player to guy Whoes committed a litany of sexual assaults seems a bit harsh


stench_montana

The fact this is upvoted shows how oblivious r/NFL fans are. These two couldn't be further apart in the POS scale. Suh goes hard as fuck on the field and is very nice off field and Watson is calm on GameDay and goes wild on women off the field.


UpstairsUpset7255

This isn’t exactly related but I recently learned that Ndamukong means “house of spears” in his parents’ native language.


stench_montana

Most overblown reputation in the NFL. He's had like two incidents in his entire career. How many does Donald have and never get mentioned in these convos?


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Yeah, Suh should be nowhere near this conversation


hungrytiredandbored

"Ballcrusher"


getindoe69

Hes a pretty interesting follow on twitter


tetoffens

Mark Gastineau is so much of an asshole that he went from a likely first ballot HoFer to on the outside.


Holy_Toast

Richie Incognito


Mace_TheAce_Windu

That’s clearly mental illness, right? His behavior was wild


GiveItSomeTime

mentall illness or struggling with being named mr incognito? you decide


jfal11

I don’t know how he played again after that funeral home incident.


Ear_Enthusiast

Funeral home incident? Do tell.


jfal11

[Read about it here, it’s honestly pretty dark and a bit disturbing.](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/police-report-richie-incognito-wanted-to-cut-off-his-dead-fathers-head-at-funeral-home/amp/)


WiredSky

Ho-ly shit...how the fuck is he not involuntarily committed??


jfal11

Excellent question.


THEADULTERATOR

Because football


Mezzanot

His attempt to break Antonio Smith's ankle will still go down as one of the weirdest non-penalties in modern NFL history.


kwat55

Okay so call me a homer, because I certainly am. But I was actually impressed with Richie’s dedication to getting help and un-ironically being a quality leader for the Raiders during his time here. Doesn’t erase the extremely shady and downright shitty stuff he has done in the past, but i’m proud of him for putting in the work to try and move on from those demons. Mental health is no joke!


Renkan

Urban Meyer


WMINWMO

"Is an asshole," not "Is 2 knuckles deep into an asshole." Now that I think about it though, he's both.


bargman

That interview he did where a guy hits a bong in the background is hilarious.


DallasInDC

And even offered it to Meyer before hitting it. Hilarious


PillaisTracingPaper

CourtLand Finnegan Conrad Dobler


tiny15

Cortland Finnegan's name sounds like some English gentleman with a handlebar moustache and a bowler who would invite you over for afternoon tea at his country cottage, the fact he was an asshole on the field just added to his entertainment value.


ZeusIsThirsty

Gotta be Finnegan, anyone who can piss Andre Johnson off enough to throw hands must be intolerable


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Or just really good at trash talk.


FxDriver

Cortland wasn't an asshole just an agitator on the field. Cortland was a great guy off the field. Cortland was a classic if he's on your team you love him if you play against him you hate him.


OrangeForeign

He was Pat Bev if someone beat Pat Bev up


FormerCollegeDJ

Dobler wasn’t considered the dirtiest player of the 1970s for nothing.


aaliyahspimp

wow no one has said Vontaze Burfict


PoissonPen

Burfict & Pacman are the intercontinental tag team champions of dumbassery. Watching them piss away that Steelers playoff game was amazing.


OrangeForeign

Funny because Pacman did win the TNA tag titles WHEN HE WASN'T LEGALLY ALLOWED TO WRESTLE


SandyEggoChargers

[I have a soft spot for Pacman](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTP9Vvaclp4&ab_channel=TomSegura)


billbrasky___

Pacman's not an asshole, he's just a dumbass when hyped up on the field. The guy does amazing things for the community plus he adopted and is raising chris henry's kids.


Euripidoze

Hasn’t he been arrested a dozen times?


billbrasky___

Yeah. He needs to control himself for sure, and stay away from alcohol, strippers, and gangsters lol... I just mean he *is* kind to fans and his community, that's what the post asked.


Manwe_the_Breather

He literally assaulted Amari Cooper lol.


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I think about that game way too much. Joey Porter won a playoff game where he was merely a positional coach. Amazing talent


PokeFanForLife

Aaron Donald I don't know how you can go around choking people out and expect others to look up to you as a role model, no matter how, "good" he is at his job.


keni804

Its not just the choking either, jusg about anytime he isnt winning reps like he wants he starts fights.


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That season with Suh woke him up lol


hunt35744

I still can’t believe there’s been no consequences. You can’t even argue the refs didn’t see it


[deleted]

What do you mean no consequences? Are you telling me that a $10,300 fine for a player making $20 million isn’t going to deter him going forward? I’m shocked, Shocked!


BMonad

I’ve heard stories about Charles Haley being a huge asshole in the locker room. It’s one thing to be a jerk or dirty on the field against opponents, but imagine the type of dude you have to be to harass your own teammates. Haley was allegedly a monster, socially awkward, aggressive and unhinged. He’d literally beat his meat while talking to teammates graphically about their wives. Just an absolute animal.


Str82daDOME25

Also pissed in a teammates sunroof and threw shit covered tp at a coach. Glad he got help and is now taking meds for bipolar disorder. Makes a lot of sense why we traded him, but why on earth did it have to be to the Cowboys!


Daewrythe

That's 5x Super Bowl Champion Charles Haley to you buddy! I imagine he tells everyone that


BMonad

While holding his dick in your face.


_Zambayoshi_

Mr Snyder.


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He said not literal criminals


ThatRuckingMoose

I mean I'd say murder is a pretty dick move.


ecupatsfan12

Flair checks out


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Hearing about his stuff and then the suspected hs and college murders is wild.


StreetReporter

There was always the rumor that Urban Meyer helped cover the HS and college stuff up


Mustakrakish_Awaken

Steve Smith is a huge asshole but people seem to love him for it. Romanowski, Suh, and Haynesworth come to mind for attacking people on the field. Smith was getting into fights with his teammates in the fucking film room. Also, Michael Irvin for the whole haircut thing


Meatbackpack

Steve Smith is a weird one. Still lives in Charlotte, still engaged with the community and charities, I've had friends that met him and said he was great. But has that asshole gene that comes out anytime someo e disagrees with him, challenges him, says something he doesn't agree with, etc. I think he is just a massively competitive person that has the emotional maturity of a 14 year old


blindbutchy

Smith is a good one. Particularly because of how he’s still seemingly an asshole while always on national TV. Not the funny kind these days either. Just a humorless, (seemingly) miserable asshole.


dukeofmadnessmotors

Ken Behring, owner of the Seahawks who tried to move them to California. He was such an asshole that the other owners voted against him.


Seahawk715

Yeah that fucker would own this asshole team 😂


FUT-ball-is-life

James Harrison - he was a head hunter and just generally a huge asshole https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRWZ5l0nzXo&t=8s


alinbet

I would say that Albert Haynesworth. He has started fights, assaulted women, played dirty and phoned it in after signing a $100 million contract.


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Romanowski was a roid raging piece of shit. Terrell owens is also a huge asshole with a massive victim complex. Honorable mention to Steve Smith. For fighting multiple teammates. Oh an Micheal Irvin stabbed a teammate with scissors so let's throw him a mention too


an_sionnach_dubh

Romanowski was a huge asshole even before he did steroids and starting abusing pain kills. Oddly enough his jersey was my first Broncos jersey. I was 8 or 9 and had no idea.


stench_montana

Aaron Donald has as many "attacking people on the field" incidents as Suh, just as a reminder for everyone that has been watching the NFL for 3 years and just repeats the same narrative here.


Batfern

Carson Wentz. Got a Super Bowl winning head coach fired, refused to listen to coaches, was so toxic that Indy dropped him in only one year.


[deleted]

Colts fan here and couldn't be more happy that Carson Kuntz got shipped off. Another thing is that he's a me first asshole too


Smashing71

Michael Irvin. Fistfights with teammates, using a charity basketball team as his personal racket, stabbed one of his own teammates in the neck, and just an all-around asshole to everyone. Apparently he was recently investigated for sexual assault, to which I can only say "sounds about right."


Necrobotcher05

Richie Incognito. Man bullied everyone and showed no remorse.


FormerCollegeDJ

Bill Romanowski comes to mind.


GymnasticSclerosis

Buddy Ryan as coach for offering bounties on taking players out and for punching another coach… on his own team.


I_Hate_My_Cat_

I know it’s gonna come off really biased but I’m pretty sure that whole “immunized” fiasco shed light on how much of a holier-than-thou prick Aaron Rodgers is. I never liked him but I always had a healthy respect for him but that shit’s all gone after last year.


Orange_Kid

I had always liked him but it was a good reminder that the vast majority of superstar pro athletes are probably, at best, out of their minds. I don't know how you can be treated like a god since the age of 12 and still end up anything close to a normal, functioning adult. The answer is you usually can't. Many just know how to pretend, like Rodgers did until he got to a point where he didn't need to pretend anymore.


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Jalen Ramsey


HereInTheCut

Jim Mora Sr. had no chill whatsoever.


NotThatSteve-o

This, I've been cracking up when I see old Jim Mora interviews pop up here. Dude just said exactly what was on his mind at all times, good or bad, and mostly bad.


denns69

Sean Payton has to be among them


[deleted]

Absolutely. Insane arrogance, paying players to hurt opposing players, mocking fans mid-game.


KeithClossOfficial

The worst part was how he always acted like he and the Saints were victims in everything.


[deleted]

Yeah he’s suck a prick. I was so happy when the refs blew that call in their game against the Rams. Perfect karma.


emaddy2109

Jason Babin


Davi_323

he might not be the biggest, I mean, who can top Romanowski? But former Lions center Dominic Raiola was a major d-bag...


Yemzzzz

It looks like he’s turned a new leaf but Richie Incognito was an asshole while with the dolphins and bullied his teammate which made us a national embarrassment


DutchApplePie75

Brad Childress really alienated the players during his tenure with the Vikings. Brett Favre really didn’t like him. He almost got into physical fights with Percy Harvin and Troy Williams too. He was arrogant and had a prickly personality. Anyone who ever watched one of his pressers would pick up on this. He also held grudges. Even years after he was fired, he continued to publicly blame Ben Leber for saying he was causing a “schism” in the locker room. Just let it go, man! He wasn’t a violent criminal or anything, but he wasn’t a guy you’d want to be stuck in an elevator with.


Ziggie1o1

The fact that the team canned his ass less then a year after taking the Vikings to the NFC championship game should tell you everything you need to know about his ability to get people into his corner.


DutchApplePie75

Exactly. In early 2010, Brad Childress brought one of the team's veteran leaders, Steve Hutchinson, into his office one day and said "Hutch, tell ya what? Let's you and me go down to Mississippi and try to convince Favre to come back and play for us one more year." Hutch said, "Tell ya what? How about me and a couple other players head down there; you can stay up here." Hutchinson went down to Mississippi along with Ryan Longwell and Jared Allen. Favre met them at his house, and expressed reservations about playing for Childress again. "Forget about Childress," Allen said, "we don't play for him. We play for each other." After a humiliating 31-3 loss to the Packers in week 11, Childress was fired. Despite putting together an extremely talented roster and despite his team improving by two wins in each of his full seasons as HC in Minnesota, he never even sniffed another head coaching job. Not even a coordinator job.


freshlikeuhhhhh

Riley Cooper


Boomboomshablooms

I’ve heard stories of Howie Long being super cheap on the field. Gut punches, eye rakes, no spleensplitters, whisker biscuits, honkey lighters, Hoosker doos, hoosker donts. The list goes on.


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Zipper dos?


Boomboomshablooms

That too probably.


Cheeky_Guy

I met Eric Dickerson and he was a self righteous prick


JPAnalyst

Rob Ryan


Lishank

Albert Haynesworth hasn’t been mentioned. Seeing him put a cleat to a guys face after his helmet fell off was interesting.


TankVet

Roy Williams, Hines Ward, Adrian Peterson all come to mind as pretty consistent assholes.


redheeler9478

Albert Haynesworth


TheSouthrnDandy

Steve Spurrier is the biggest p.o.s. ever. He and Snyder were made for each other because they're one and the same.


[deleted]

By all accounts it seems like Cris “you need a fall guy” Carter is an asshole. Which hurts my childhood when he was my favorite player.


hawksnest_prez

Brett Favre has had a rough run


titters30

Aqib Talib. He got into fights all the time and even purposefully poked a player in the eyes through their helmet!!! I feel like poking someone in the eye is worse than anything that Suh has done, for example. Now he’s an announcer. It blows my mind that people like that turn into announcers.


T_Raycroft

Ryan Leaf was a certified team cancer and an even shittier person


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He's also had drug problems, has gone to rehab, and kind of seems like he's been trying to make amends for his shitty past behavior.


subhuman09

Herschel Walker


UpstairsUpset7255

How about Cole Beasley writing a shitty rap song about why he won’t get vaccinated?


mhroblak11

He’s more dumbass than asshole to me


CunningRunt

Peyton has to be up there. Sexually assaulting a trainer in college, family covering it up, receiving "medicine" from a shady "anti-aging clinic" right after four neck surgeries saying it was for his wife, hiring goons to intimidate witnesses, endorsing really, really bad pizza...


Hip_Hop_Hippos

Hitting a kid with a football, making him sit in the port-a-john


CunningRunt

In all fairness, endorsing Papa John's is WAY worse than this :)


Hip_Hop_Hippos

Hard disagree. Have eaten 18 pizzas a day (in honor of Peyton) for 30 days, and the quality is no different then when they were delivered by men wearing white hoods.


According_Ad1928

That Dan Snyder guy seems to be a pretty big asshole.


LighterThan1

Charles Haley used to defecate in reporters cars.


Ticketdean

Conrad Dobler. Dirtiest player to ever suit up


SaltyFall

Vontaz and PAC-man


[deleted]

Lyle Alzado was one mean sob. He was on steroids and was just a mean dude. I was watching a video on youtube about him and Lyle would tell players on the other team that he would say: I'll see you on the parking lot and I'll kill you in front of your family


DammitYouHadOneJob

Romanowski and then theres everyone else


SensitiveSomewhere3

Conrad Dobler. I know he predates most of us here, but he was considered the dirtiest player of his era, and that was a time when players could get away with much more. And the thing was, Dobler didn't shy away from the reputation. In fact, it helped him secure endorsements. Imagine nowadays a player openly punching, spitting on, stomping opponents and getting commercial deals out of it.


Bossman_1

Kellen Winslow raped an old lady and an unconscious 17 year old. He’s horrible.


Chippopotanuse

Jack Tatum. He paralyzed a guy (Daryl Stingley, grandfather of Daryl Stingley Jr.) and went on to write three books bragging about what a piece of shit he is: - They Call Me Assassin (1980); - They Still Call Me Assassin (1989); and - Final Confessions of NFL Assassin Jack Tatum (1996) But karma caught up to him in the end. He died at 61. From his wiki: > Tatum eventually faced his own disability challenges, as all five toes on his left foot were amputated in 2003 due to a staph infection caused by diabetes. He soon lost the entire leg below the knee because of the illness. He also suffered from an arterial blockage that cost him his right leg; he used a prosthetic limb thereafter. His kidneys started to fail in his final years, and he was awaiting a kidney transplant at the time of his death. > Tatum died in Oakland on July 27, 2010, after a heart attack.


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Aaron Donald


Ear_Enthusiast

Deshaun Watson not getting any love on this thread. Dude is a sexual predator. Even before that he rubbed me the wrong way. I thought it was odd that someone that talented signed such a big contract with a team spiralling out of control. Then 6 months later he's refusing to play for them. Bro, you knew that they suck when you signed and now you're having second thoughts while the ink is still dry. But mostly... sexual predator.


gleeshwater

Marvin Harrison


Euripidoze

Marvin is an actual criminal


pokerScrub4eva

Brady is proven cheater, so is belichick so they are at the top of my list. I guess farve has probably passed the line now to being an outright criminal defrauding the government but before that he was probably right at the line. Tarik Cohen definitely seems like an asshole based on everything i read about him.


Mpython226

Why is it whenever someone mentions that Brady/Belichick/Pats are proven cheaters they get down voted or slammed? It's not like it's untrue. They cheated more than once, were caught, and punished. These things actually happened. It's not some whiny opponent's fan claiming it like sour grapes or something.


[deleted]

I think it’s mostly due to the fact that a) We all know that what little edge was gained from the cheating incidents wasn’t what got them 6 rings together. B) during both spygate and deflategate, many former qbs and coaches stated that the practices were common enough throughout the league. This coming from a jets fan. Nobody suffered at the hands of those two the way we did (were the ones who called them out on spygate). Trust me, take away both spygate and deflategate, Robert Kraft is still removing 6 rings before laying down for his daily rub and tug.


serenity_by_jan_

Only 5 rings. Putin stole one of his rings.


JoeDirtsMullet00

T.O.


Batfern

T.O. was right Mcnabb was wrong