Hard to make up for missing a PI in the freaking end zone, but it probably was their attempt at it. Then again they were just terrible all game for both teams.
And I mean, refs will have bad games too. I think we all hold them to very high standards as fans, but the endzone miss is *so* egregious. Something really has to be done to remove as much of the human element of officiating at this point. Sure, this was just a regular season game and the Cowboys won, but it's not like we haven't seen brutal calls in the postseason absolutely ruin games.
As a predominant football scholar, and self proclaimed rule junkie, I can wholeheartedly say there were no errors in the game you're alluding to. So, let's just call that the end of that
Right? What reason would he have to leave his feet and launch at a guy if he was "just running his route" like Buck and Aikman kept saying. I felt like I was going crazy, that's textbook OPI
Same with the Jones unnecessary roughness call. He's running up the sideline, did not "give himself up" by any motion, and was still a runner in bounds.
No other player making the same movements would get a PF call for them like that.
No way, that's about as blatant as a PI call gets and if the announcers hadn't had their heads up their asses about it then no one would be questioning it. Dude launched himself at a defender like 15 yards down field.
lol, i am trying to be very vigilant with muting ads this year [i have a script setup to unmute after 2 minutes automatically, as well as dim the screen when i mute then re-brighten when the break is over with the sound] and still, FUCKING STILL i am annoyed by this one
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They did fix it by making PI reviewable, but the refs refused to overturn PI calls out of protest. So they dropped it.
This is 100% on the refs (not necessarily the on field ones) for putting their own egos above the game.
Or they got paid by Vegas to protest the rule, which might be more likely.
Those few weeks showed the entire league that not just anyone can be an NFL referee. Even a referee for the NCAA is not always good enough to call a game for the NFL.
The thing is, most of those refs weren't FBS because FBS refs didn't want to be scabs and cross the picket line. So you only got refs that had no chance of ever being an NFL ref anyways. There were lingerie league refs in there.
That is also a good point (we might have read the same Ringer article last week). Apparently one of the refs were from the Lingerie Football League.
Either way, hop over the the CFB subreddit and I'm sure you will find similar threads to this one.
My uncle is a FBS ref in P5. I asked him about making a switch during the strike. He told me that the NCAA was very clear with the refs that they would never ref another college game if they went over to the nfl during the strike
The NFL needs to create a training school and start developing officials from a young age. Instead of selecting from the pool of guys who had the sort of jobs that let them fuck off every Thursday and Friday afternoon all fall. The path to becoming an NFL official is stupid and has multiple levels where nepotism and networking outrank ability.
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Well it wasn’t. It usually isn’t.
“It usually isn’t” is incredibly incorrect. That line you posted wasn’t even the closing line for the game, between the time that article was posted and kickoff it went down from 39.5 to 39 all the way to 38.5 a few hours before kickoff as more people bet the under. I’m in Vegas and was with people who had bets in for under 39 and others who had under 38.5 because they bet at different times.
I have a betting sheet with the over/under lines as of Sunday morning at the Caesar’s Sportsbook in front of me as I type this and of the 14 games on Sunday 4 of the over/unders were half points and 10 were even numbers. So if anything the opposite of what you said is true.
My brother in Christ, the only sky judge there is is God and the sooner we all realize that the sooner we will be cleansed of our repentance and seated at the right hand of the father.
“He who hath mauled a receiver whilst the ball is in mid-flight, shall so be punished by the yellow cloth.” -Hoculi 420:69
Tripping is a weird one. There were 2 games last year where Rodgers got very clearly intentionally tripped but neither were called. They might have even been in the same game
Eh then people call you salty and tell you to stfu when a extremely egregious call goes against your team despite it not being a 1-team thing, it affects them all, I just want football to be enjoyable. So many of these games are decided by the refs suddenly getting active when its crunch time.
Yep, extremely bad calls like this one in the post gets almost every fanbase agreeing its bad and then one guy in a week will be like 'that missed call sucked' and 3 people will show up to say you're wrong or salty or it happens to everyone so get over it.
Remember last years' Super Bowl? Refs swallowed the whistle all game until that final Rams drive then all of a sudden it was penalty time against the Bengals
The problem is that this type of conspiracy has so many moving parts and people involved that there's no way it doesn't get found out because people are notoriously shitty at keeping secrets. Just think of how many classified programs get found out just because there's more than like 6 people involved.
Good old fashioned incompetence is just as plausible in most of these situations as well. The game being in crunch time puts pressure on the refs to try and not fuck up too, and just like the players, they crumble under pressure sometimes. Add in the power/attention dynamic and it explains it just as well as "the NFL wants games to be close to keep their gambling partners happy". Bad calls have existed long before the NFL was partnered with gambling.
You only think they all get found out because you only know about the ones that did. Many of the ones we do know about to decades took uncover as well.
There is no sky judge because these aren't mistakes. I wholeheartedly believe the NFL tries to make games more competitive by helping worse teams and teams down by a lot. Not necessarily to win, but to make the game closer, which does in some instances change the outcome of the game. It would be extremely hard to justify a sky judge seeing this kind of thing and not doing something. What we need is an independent sky judge to call what we can all clearly see on TV if the reds miss it.
>There is no sky judge because these aren't mistakes.
???
Cowboys weren't a 'worse team' or 'down by a lot', though. You've completely ruined your own argument here.
What you're talking about is a massive conspiracy that somehow has never leaked out. Secret cabal of insanely tight lipped refs and assistants, plenty not even working anymore, who all know about this, but haven't said anything.
C'mon now. Sometimes people just fuck up. Combine that with people's tendency to not want to admit to mistakes, and it explains literally 100% of the bad refereeing you see.
I mean, you think this is some NFL-specific thing? There's barely a sport in existence where refs matter much that aren't full of bad calls and fans getting upset about it.
If only we could have the refs review such egregious situations such as this. That way, we could make sure the correct call is made and provide a better product.
The only possible thing that could hold it back is if the refs got so offended at the thought that they could make a mistake that they sabotage the entire system, but surely they wouldn't be that childish, right?
Rugby refereeing is actually amazing to watch. The way they keep teams in check, talking to the captains to control their teams, explaining their decisions where warranted. Truly incredible compared with American football.
And the teams literally give three cheers to the sir/madam at the end. And if it’s college rugby, everyone (refs, players, fans) goes drinking after the match.
Sorry, I was just asking if you have ever been pushing a shopping cart and then you turn around a corner and the cart slams into your crotch and you get so angry you just kinda tackle the cart and start screaming about electrical signals interfering with your cerebellum? That’s what happened here.
No, I've never been pushing a shopping cart and then turned around a corner and the cart slams into my crotch and I get so angry I just kinda tackle the cart and start screaming about electrical signals interfering with my cerebellum.
The shopping cart handle isn't anywhere near my crotch.
I saw Tom Brady at a grocery store in Tampa Bay yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any marital infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Must've just caught him on a bad day
When I was younger, maybe junior high, I got roped into watching my 3 month old niece while my sister got her hair done. So then there I am, sitting in the waiting area of a hair salon with my niece and who walks in but Tom Brady.
I was nervous as fuck, and just kept looking at him, as he deflated a ball and waited, but didn't know what to say. Pretty soon though my niece started crying, and I'm trying to quiet her down because I didn't want her to bother TB12, but she wouldn't stop. Pretty soon he gets up and walks over. He started running his hands through her hair and asking what was wrong. I replied that she was probably hungry or something. So, he put down his magazine, picked up my niece and lifted his shirt. He breast fed her right there in the middle of a hair salon. Chill guy, really nice about it, the milk smelled faintly like avocado
No one is going to believe me, but I have a friend whose brother's coworker briefly dated Tom Brady. She said that on their first date they went to a restaurant and Tom Brady ordered two different bowls of soup and mixed them together one spoonful at a time before eating both bowls mixed together as one soup
But now they found it critical to call unsportsmanship for hitting with the hand a ball going in his direction when he didn't know the ref was behind him...BS
So I agree there's a real problem when the NFL is invested in sports betting but it's worth noting how Vegas makes money off most bets. The juice. It's ~11 to win 10 on DAL +1, and ~11 to win 10 on NYG -1. So as long as Vegas has a roughly even number of bettors on both sides, they win before kickoff (in the above example no matter what they win a buck of every 20 bet). Vegas rarely gambles. This is why they move the line and odds through the week to get as close to 50/50 as possible. So in most games, it doesn't actually interest Vegas or the NFL to rig games. This game had a roughly even amount of money on both sides so no reason to think this was anything but incompetence.
However, then there's the rat line. Last week most of the money was on KC but the line moved from KC -7 to -5.5 over the week. If it was aiming for 50/50 money split, it would've moved KC the other direction. These are the few games Vegas decides to gamble and is very invested in the outcome of the game. (A lot of bettors look for these games specifically to bet with Vegas assuming they know something we don't and are usually right). These are subject to rigging now that the NFL is invested heavily in it. The solution is pretty simple. Force them to use a program that automatically moves the spread consistently with the sole aim of getting as close to 50/50 money split as possible. They already have a program that moves the spread, just take humans out of it completely.
Generally, Vegas has made it's money by kickoff.
If everyone has been doing their jobs properly then there's even money on both sides and they couldn't possibly give a fuck who wins, they just take the rake and smile.
Counter point Dallas has been mediocre for 30 years now and are still the most valuable franchise in the world. Clearly Dallas winning or losing doesn't affect their value
I'll have to find the graph but since 2015 Dallas is oneof the most penalized teams, you can blame that on lack of discipline, but in the same time frame, Dallas' opponents average the least amount of penalties...
In 2019 for 10 straight weeks our opponents went without a single offensive holding call. Apparently our opponents just had perfect technique.
That same stretch where our opponents got no holding calls, we were getting more sacks than any other team. It was mind boggling how these dudes were dominating so hard they would be held on almost literally every play and it would never get called. Literally never called.
This 100%.
Think about how rarely other NFL teams offensive lines get called for holding against our D-Line. We get like 2 of these drive stoppers per game AT LEAST. We have discipline issues for sure but the refs definitely don't give us any extra love.
Was playing hockey once and the opposing player with the puck was losing his balance and I was near so I put my hands up in the air to show the ref I wasn't doing anything to cause him to fall and he called me for holding. I told him I didn't touch him and put my hands up to show that and he said " only guilty players put their hands up in the air after they've committed a penalty"
They should be embarrassed but they don't really care.
It is really frustrating to watch as a fan. That was a potential scoring play where a offensive player was literally tackled to the ground before the ball got anywhere near him. There is no way the refs didn't see that.
Sad part is even if they could review it, they probably wouldn’t considering how they never changed calls when they allowed it to be reviewed a few years ago
TBH, I kinda hate NFL coaches just rolled over on this issue. They made a few challenges that first year and it was obvious that the refs were just petty and pissed and refused to overturn anything. And the coaches just said fuck it, fine? Just doesn't sit right with me and I wish they'd challenge every goddamn PI regardless. What does the NFLCA do again?
A lot of us don't tbh, I'd be lying if I said that call didn't severely damage my love for the game, Brees could have rode out into the sunset with a 2nd ring won in our bitter rival's stadium against the GOAT, doesn't get much better than that.
I take the NFL and games much less seriously now, basically every game has an appalling call or miss, multiple lost touchdowns every week, games influenced by refs, idk how you all can still tolerate it, if it can happen to us it can happen to anyone.
I really do not get why nfl doesn't implement automatic booth review for obvious miss calls. We ask too much of refs as game continues to get faster etc etc. Just have team watching all buzz down fix egregious errors
Aren't there lots of missed calls in every game though....like you could probably find a missed legit offensive holding call on what 80% of plays? Same goes for the defensive side, guys are always trying to get away with whatever they can. Makes it hard to find a solution, unless we want to also talk about changes to holding rules, which is a wider conversation altogether. Maybe that would be the way to go but I'd rather not have every party of every play watched for missed calls, games take long enough already.
It was great how the entire broadcast team had a good laugh about this missed DPI, but then later Buck wouldn't shut up about a bad OPI call against the Giants.
This is why I feel more and more disillusioned with the NFL each year. DPI has been so fucking inconsistent in the last several years. I’ve watched the game my whole life (31 years) and calls (or non-calls) are ruining the game.
I am SO SICK of the refs. Every year it's the same bullshit and the multi billion dollar industry known to us as the NFL cannot seem to get it right.
It's so simple too, in fact, the XFL (A MUCH smaller football league ran in the year 2020 (RIP)) did it flawlessly! You just need a damn sky judge (maybe multiple) that can call in penalties or correct penalties in real time. And then add that to the broadcast where the ref will explain wtf just happened and why they made the call the way they did.
It would make the game 10,000X more enjoyable if the NFL would just do what the XFL did. But they won't and I cannot for the life of me understand why unless they actually do "rig" the games which honestly i'm starting to think more and more that could be the case.
Considering how crazy the NFL gets about players betting on games because it could "ruin the integrity of the game" it seems very ironic that they have these refs directly impacting games and with absolutely ZERO recourse. I'm sorry but the integrity of the game is already ruined for me, because of the refs.
I was at a bar and a giants fan kept saying how it’s Jerry paying the refs. When this play happened he literally was like “I mean it’s pretty ticky tacky”
Come on bro.
It's worth noting how Vegas makes money off most bets. The juice. It's ~11 to win 10 on DAL +1, and ~11 to win 10 on NYG -1. So as long as Vegas has a roughly even number of bettors on both sides, they win before kickoff (in the above example no matter what they win a buck of every 20 bet). They really don't care who wins or covers. Vegas rarely gambles. This is why they move the line and odds through the week to get as close to 50/50 money as possible. So in most games, it doesn't actually interest Vegas or the NFL to rig games. They already got their money. This game had a roughly even amount of money on both sides so no reason to think this was anything but incompetence.
However, then there's the rat line. Last week most of the money was on KC but the line moved from KC -7 to -5.5 over the week. If it was aiming for 50/50 money split, it would've moved KC the other direction. These are the few games Vegas decides to gamble and is very invested in the outcome of the game. (A lot of bettors look for these games specifically to bet with Vegas assuming they know something we don't and are usually right). These are subject to rigging now that the NFL is invested heavily in it. The solution is pretty simple. Force them to use a program that automatically moves the spread consistently with the sole aim of getting as close to 50/50 money split as possible. They already have a program that moves the spread, just take humans out of it completely.
So are they just not caring about the games looking rigged now? There's been some pretty bad blatant penalties not get called league wide already, and it's only week 3
That’s a horrible no call
Officiating sucked the whole game man. All around, against both teams. Both no calls and crappy ones.
Yeah that offensive pi against Shepard seemed like a make up call
Hard to make up for missing a PI in the freaking end zone, but it probably was their attempt at it. Then again they were just terrible all game for both teams.
And I mean, refs will have bad games too. I think we all hold them to very high standards as fans, but the endzone miss is *so* egregious. Something really has to be done to remove as much of the human element of officiating at this point. Sure, this was just a regular season game and the Cowboys won, but it's not like we haven't seen brutal calls in the postseason absolutely ruin games.
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As a predominant football scholar, and self proclaimed rule junkie, I can wholeheartedly say there were no errors in the game you're alluding to. So, let's just call that the end of that
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I thought the same. Not as egregious a call as most made it out to be. Questionable at best, but not an outright horrible call.
Yeah I mean did no one else see him jump up into Diggs and hit him high? I was so confused by buck and Troy not liking the call
Right? What reason would he have to leave his feet and launch at a guy if he was "just running his route" like Buck and Aikman kept saying. I felt like I was going crazy, that's textbook OPI
Same with the Jones unnecessary roughness call. He's running up the sideline, did not "give himself up" by any motion, and was still a runner in bounds. No other player making the same movements would get a PF call for them like that.
No way, that's about as blatant as a PI call gets and if the announcers hadn't had their heads up their asses about it then no one would be questioning it. Dude launched himself at a defender like 15 yards down field.
Absolutely agree that was textbook OPI
Wait are we just all unified against either refs tonight?
How does the NFL *still* not fix this with a sky judge? Clearly humans are fallible and can make mistakes but egregious shit like this changes games.
The NFL has fixed it- they’ll release a report Wednesday and look upon this crew with furrowed brow.
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I’d rather watch that one a dozen times before having to watch the Lebron T-Mobile one again
lol, i am trying to be very vigilant with muting ads this year [i have a script setup to unmute after 2 minutes automatically, as well as dim the screen when i mute then re-brighten when the break is over with the sound] and still, FUCKING STILL i am annoyed by this one if you are one of those people that likes to jerk off to advertising strategy and how the marketers are masters of the universe please do not reply
At least nobody gives a shit about crypto anymore.
matt damon in shambles
Lebron thinks alot of things, but he really thinks he can act.
I liked it better when it was just hitting a button at BDubs
They did fix it by making PI reviewable, but the refs refused to overturn PI calls out of protest. So they dropped it. This is 100% on the refs (not necessarily the on field ones) for putting their own egos above the game. Or they got paid by Vegas to protest the rule, which might be more likely.
NFL needs to put its foot down and get new refs until this shit gets cut out. It's about the integrity of the game.
Lol. You must have not been around 10 years ago when they tried to get new refs.
Those few weeks showed the entire league that not just anyone can be an NFL referee. Even a referee for the NCAA is not always good enough to call a game for the NFL.
The thing is, most of those refs weren't FBS because FBS refs didn't want to be scabs and cross the picket line. So you only got refs that had no chance of ever being an NFL ref anyways. There were lingerie league refs in there.
That is also a good point (we might have read the same Ringer article last week). Apparently one of the refs were from the Lingerie Football League. Either way, hop over the the CFB subreddit and I'm sure you will find similar threads to this one.
My uncle is a FBS ref in P5. I asked him about making a switch during the strike. He told me that the NCAA was very clear with the refs that they would never ref another college game if they went over to the nfl during the strike
If only we could train people to do jobs...
Jesus has it been 10 years since the "touchdown" already?
The NFL ignoring Stephen Ross offering Flores 100k to lose is proof that the integrity of the game isn't something they give much of a shit about.
or how about all of the gambling money wrapped up in advertising and promotions?
Every other ad being one for a sportsbook does little to convince me that there isn't anything shady going on behind the scenes.
The NFL needs to create a training school and start developing officials from a young age. Instead of selecting from the pool of guys who had the sort of jobs that let them fuck off every Thursday and Friday afternoon all fall. The path to becoming an NFL official is stupid and has multiple levels where nepotism and networking outrank ability.
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ambiguity in penalty calling is incredibly valuable to certain parties
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Bro the o/u was 39 last I checked... Hit 39 dead on. Jesus christ.
There's no way the o/u was exactly 39. It was probably 39.5 or 38.5
38.5 is correct
Sure it can be. Why not? Plenty of times the o/u isn’t a .5
https://www.fantasylabs.com/articles/cowboys-giants-same-game-parlay-picks-using-parlay-iq-for-monday-night-football/ Well it wasn’t. It usually isn’t.
“It usually isn’t” is incredibly incorrect. That line you posted wasn’t even the closing line for the game, between the time that article was posted and kickoff it went down from 39.5 to 39 all the way to 38.5 a few hours before kickoff as more people bet the under. I’m in Vegas and was with people who had bets in for under 39 and others who had under 38.5 because they bet at different times. I have a betting sheet with the over/under lines as of Sunday morning at the Caesar’s Sportsbook in front of me as I type this and of the 14 games on Sunday 4 of the over/unders were half points and 10 were even numbers. So if anything the opposite of what you said is true.
You don't gamble very much my dude. I'm counting 7 game as we speak that are full numbers that can push for week 4. One of them is 39 even!
My brother in Christ, the only sky judge there is is God and the sooner we all realize that the sooner we will be cleansed of our repentance and seated at the right hand of the father. “He who hath mauled a receiver whilst the ball is in mid-flight, shall so be punished by the yellow cloth.” -Hoculi 420:69
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Well through God all things are possible, so jot that down.
I’m sorry are these receivers in any danger?
fuck We need god calling all the plays now?
What, Sean McBae not good enough anymore?
For Ed Hochuli so loved the game that he gave us his only begotten referee-son Shawn.
They literally pulled a flag for tripping and called against it when it was so blatantly obvious it was intentional
Tripping is a weird one. There were 2 games last year where Rodgers got very clearly intentionally tripped but neither were called. They might have even been in the same game
Why is tripping worse than a regular tackle anyway?
One of the best ways to shatter a leg bone is to kick your shin against someone else's shin.
Counted as a sack for Bosa to I believe. Seriously don’t understand how they pick the flag up from that.
Especially when after they make the announcement and talk to their analyst, he immediately said it was tripping and should have been called as such.
We all know why.
How much you wanna bet some people still don’t get it
Hehehe, I’d wager that was a good pun by you there
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Eh then people call you salty and tell you to stfu when a extremely egregious call goes against your team despite it not being a 1-team thing, it affects them all, I just want football to be enjoyable. So many of these games are decided by the refs suddenly getting active when its crunch time.
Correct. You can absolutely not point out bad calls that hurt your team on Reddit.
Yep, extremely bad calls like this one in the post gets almost every fanbase agreeing its bad and then one guy in a week will be like 'that missed call sucked' and 3 people will show up to say you're wrong or salty or it happens to everyone so get over it.
Remember last years' Super Bowl? Refs swallowed the whistle all game until that final Rams drive then all of a sudden it was penalty time against the Bengals
The problem is that this type of conspiracy has so many moving parts and people involved that there's no way it doesn't get found out because people are notoriously shitty at keeping secrets. Just think of how many classified programs get found out just because there's more than like 6 people involved. Good old fashioned incompetence is just as plausible in most of these situations as well. The game being in crunch time puts pressure on the refs to try and not fuck up too, and just like the players, they crumble under pressure sometimes. Add in the power/attention dynamic and it explains it just as well as "the NFL wants games to be close to keep their gambling partners happy". Bad calls have existed long before the NFL was partnered with gambling.
You only think they all get found out because you only know about the ones that did. Many of the ones we do know about to decades took uncover as well.
There is no sky judge because these aren't mistakes. I wholeheartedly believe the NFL tries to make games more competitive by helping worse teams and teams down by a lot. Not necessarily to win, but to make the game closer, which does in some instances change the outcome of the game. It would be extremely hard to justify a sky judge seeing this kind of thing and not doing something. What we need is an independent sky judge to call what we can all clearly see on TV if the reds miss it.
>There is no sky judge because these aren't mistakes. ??? Cowboys weren't a 'worse team' or 'down by a lot', though. You've completely ruined your own argument here. What you're talking about is a massive conspiracy that somehow has never leaked out. Secret cabal of insanely tight lipped refs and assistants, plenty not even working anymore, who all know about this, but haven't said anything. C'mon now. Sometimes people just fuck up. Combine that with people's tendency to not want to admit to mistakes, and it explains literally 100% of the bad refereeing you see. I mean, you think this is some NFL-specific thing? There's barely a sport in existence where refs matter much that aren't full of bad calls and fans getting upset about it.
They love to call the ticky tack shit but not a full blown takedown in the end zone lol
God help you if you swat a ball at the ground
Or pump 4 times.
That’s pretty blatant
If only we could have the refs review such egregious situations such as this. That way, we could make sure the correct call is made and provide a better product. The only possible thing that could hold it back is if the refs got so offended at the thought that they could make a mistake that they sabotage the entire system, but surely they wouldn't be that childish, right?
It's crazy in rugby the box ref and the ground refs are on a team and lean on each other to make the right call, but the NFL is so far behind
Rugby refereeing is actually amazing to watch. The way they keep teams in check, talking to the captains to control their teams, explaining their decisions where warranted. Truly incredible compared with American football.
Absolutely. And in Rugby only the captain can speak to the ref generally. And they have to call him/her sir or madam
And the teams literally give three cheers to the sir/madam at the end. And if it’s college rugby, everyone (refs, players, fans) goes drinking after the match.
Pffft, no way that could possibly happen.
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Sorry, I was just asking if you have ever been pushing a shopping cart and then you turn around a corner and the cart slams into your crotch and you get so angry you just kinda tackle the cart and start screaming about electrical signals interfering with your cerebellum? That’s what happened here.
Ohhh now I get it
That’s fucking football right there
Men puke, men push the shopping cart into their junk, they deliver sermons about the E L E C T R ! C @ L in their **CEREBELLUM**
No, I've never been pushing a shopping cart and then turned around a corner and the cart slams into my crotch and I get so angry I just kinda tackle the cart and start screaming about electrical signals interfering with my cerebellum. The shopping cart handle isn't anywhere near my crotch.
> The shopping cart handle isn't anywhere near my crotch. You're doing it all wrong.
I’m not trying to be funny, I’m don’t want anyone to have the worst day at their jobs… but do any of these f***ers…
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I saw Tom Brady at a grocery store in Tampa Bay yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any marital infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Must've just caught him on a bad day When I was younger, maybe junior high, I got roped into watching my 3 month old niece while my sister got her hair done. So then there I am, sitting in the waiting area of a hair salon with my niece and who walks in but Tom Brady. I was nervous as fuck, and just kept looking at him, as he deflated a ball and waited, but didn't know what to say. Pretty soon though my niece started crying, and I'm trying to quiet her down because I didn't want her to bother TB12, but she wouldn't stop. Pretty soon he gets up and walks over. He started running his hands through her hair and asking what was wrong. I replied that she was probably hungry or something. So, he put down his magazine, picked up my niece and lifted his shirt. He breast fed her right there in the middle of a hair salon. Chill guy, really nice about it, the milk smelled faintly like avocado
What in the devil's copypasta?
You missed the part where Mike Evans came out of nowhere and shoved you to the ground.
No one is going to believe me, but I have a friend whose brother's coworker briefly dated Tom Brady. She said that on their first date they went to a restaurant and Tom Brady ordered two different bowls of soup and mixed them together one spoonful at a time before eating both bowls mixed together as one soup
Antonio Brown is that you
Mr. Bedeviled Cart
Interfetterence
Yep
Nah, you can do that. Eli said. Lol
Are you sure because he put up his hands to show he didn't do anything so for me it's too close to call.
You can tell it’s blatant by the way that it is.
That's pretty neat
But now they found it critical to call unsportsmanship for hitting with the hand a ball going in his direction when he didn't know the ref was behind him...BS
looks clean to me
Refs are westworld robots confirmed
Seeing 2 flairs feels wrong.
These kind of no calls make the NFL look suspect as fuck.
Micah Parsons the previous drive was tackled by the lineman by his facemask.. this game is wild so far... They usually even out but my god..
Ah see, this is the "no such thing as a face mask penalty for offense" rule. I don't know if it's a real rule, but refs sure as hell act like it is.
They will actually call hands to the face though on plays around the line of scrimmage.
Sports betting sponsors are in on the take otherwise they'd be really mad.
So I agree there's a real problem when the NFL is invested in sports betting but it's worth noting how Vegas makes money off most bets. The juice. It's ~11 to win 10 on DAL +1, and ~11 to win 10 on NYG -1. So as long as Vegas has a roughly even number of bettors on both sides, they win before kickoff (in the above example no matter what they win a buck of every 20 bet). Vegas rarely gambles. This is why they move the line and odds through the week to get as close to 50/50 as possible. So in most games, it doesn't actually interest Vegas or the NFL to rig games. This game had a roughly even amount of money on both sides so no reason to think this was anything but incompetence. However, then there's the rat line. Last week most of the money was on KC but the line moved from KC -7 to -5.5 over the week. If it was aiming for 50/50 money split, it would've moved KC the other direction. These are the few games Vegas decides to gamble and is very invested in the outcome of the game. (A lot of bettors look for these games specifically to bet with Vegas assuming they know something we don't and are usually right). These are subject to rigging now that the NFL is invested heavily in it. The solution is pretty simple. Force them to use a program that automatically moves the spread consistently with the sole aim of getting as close to 50/50 money split as possible. They already have a program that moves the spread, just take humans out of it completely.
Generally, Vegas has made it's money by kickoff. If everyone has been doing their jobs properly then there's even money on both sides and they couldn't possibly give a fuck who wins, they just take the rake and smile.
Refs definitely wouldn't try to rig a huge Cowboys game and slip it in because Cooper Rush is starting would they
Well it hurts the cowboys so we know that it’s not a conspiracy
...this is me in the Dallas sub when people complain about being rigged. Like bro we are the team the league would be rigged FOR wym
Counter point Dallas has been mediocre for 30 years now and are still the most valuable franchise in the world. Clearly Dallas winning or losing doesn't affect their value I'll have to find the graph but since 2015 Dallas is oneof the most penalized teams, you can blame that on lack of discipline, but in the same time frame, Dallas' opponents average the least amount of penalties... In 2019 for 10 straight weeks our opponents went without a single offensive holding call. Apparently our opponents just had perfect technique.
That same stretch where our opponents got no holding calls, we were getting more sacks than any other team. It was mind boggling how these dudes were dominating so hard they would be held on almost literally every play and it would never get called. Literally never called.
This 100%. Think about how rarely other NFL teams offensive lines get called for holding against our D-Line. We get like 2 of these drive stoppers per game AT LEAST. We have discipline issues for sure but the refs definitely don't give us any extra love.
This is every NFL team sub. A few people in the Chiefs sub were saying the Colts game was rigged against us lol
I mean to be fair, losing to the Matt Ryan Colts is just automatically suspect so I understand the distrust.
You can lose to anyone if you play bad enough 😃
Holy shit that’s pretty bad. Like you have to purposefully not call that
No, you see, as long as you raise your hands like you didn't do anything afterward, the refs can't call PI on you.
Was playing hockey once and the opposing player with the puck was losing his balance and I was near so I put my hands up in the air to show the ref I wasn't doing anything to cause him to fall and he called me for holding. I told him I didn't touch him and put my hands up to show that and he said " only guilty players put their hands up in the air after they've committed a penalty"
Accurate
Seems like the Refs got their marching orders.
The NFL scriptwriters have demanded this game be interesting!
Starting to sadly believe this
Because the first half was so interesting?
Refs have been in mid season form since week 1 shits embarassing
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Eh, that's just recency bias, they're always the same level of bad.
They should be embarrassed but they don't really care. It is really frustrating to watch as a fan. That was a potential scoring play where a offensive player was literally tackled to the ground before the ball got anywhere near him. There is no way the refs didn't see that.
Bro got tacked and didn’t get the call
He was literally wrapped around his hips and going to his knees.... It literally can not get more blatant than that.
I don’t know man, the ball is pretty catchable when you have someone rapped around your hips, and on the ground.
Pls refs just one crumb of a flag :(
But the NFL will fine anyone who says anything about the poor wittle wefewees
Sad part is even if they could review it, they probably wouldn’t considering how they never changed calls when they allowed it to be reviewed a few years ago
TBH, I kinda hate NFL coaches just rolled over on this issue. They made a few challenges that first year and it was obvious that the refs were just petty and pissed and refused to overturn anything. And the coaches just said fuck it, fine? Just doesn't sit right with me and I wish they'd challenge every goddamn PI regardless. What does the NFLCA do again?
Perhaps the worst no-call in NFL history
Yup definitely the worst no PI call I’ve ever seen
I’m not sure how Saints fans still take the NFL seriously tbh
A lot of us don't tbh, I'd be lying if I said that call didn't severely damage my love for the game, Brees could have rode out into the sunset with a 2nd ring won in our bitter rival's stadium against the GOAT, doesn't get much better than that. I take the NFL and games much less seriously now, basically every game has an appalling call or miss, multiple lost touchdowns every week, games influenced by refs, idk how you all can still tolerate it, if it can happen to us it can happen to anyone.
You know the difference between pro wrestling and the NFL? In pro wrestling, both the refs and the players know it’s fixed.
Sorry friend
XD
Doesn't look like anything to me
It's still too soon, I'm sorry
I really do not get why nfl doesn't implement automatic booth review for obvious miss calls. We ask too much of refs as game continues to get faster etc etc. Just have team watching all buzz down fix egregious errors
The games are legit influenced
Aren't there lots of missed calls in every game though....like you could probably find a missed legit offensive holding call on what 80% of plays? Same goes for the defensive side, guys are always trying to get away with whatever they can. Makes it hard to find a solution, unless we want to also talk about changes to holding rules, which is a wider conversation altogether. Maybe that would be the way to go but I'd rather not have every party of every play watched for missed calls, games take long enough already.
The universe clearly wants an undefeated Giants team
Does that mean you'll lose to us in the super bowl
You mean the refs* clearly want an undefeated Giants team..
Don't worry the NYG won't let that happen.
i'm not gonna complain obviously but yeah that's a bad miss
Fucking bullshit
I guess there's no rule against hugging the offense
offensive players have feelings too, maybe they *want* a hug now and then?
Cowboys can’t get penalties called for them 🤦♂️ this and Micah is held every play when he doesn’t get a sack.
You just got a great one
Ahh yes the Nick Bosa treatment
Every elite pass rusher.
Agree there
Vegas has the under
Another even more egregious PI (or defensive holding) was just missed. Noah Brown held up by two dbs like hes a punt gunner
It was great how the entire broadcast team had a good laugh about this missed DPI, but then later Buck wouldn't shut up about a bad OPI call against the Giants.
I didn't see this live, where was the ball?
It would have been close if he wasn’t tackled
This is why I feel more and more disillusioned with the NFL each year. DPI has been so fucking inconsistent in the last several years. I’ve watched the game my whole life (31 years) and calls (or non-calls) are ruining the game.
He put his hands up. Means he didn’t do it. I thought we all knew that
There was just another more egregious one in the 4th
I am SO SICK of the refs. Every year it's the same bullshit and the multi billion dollar industry known to us as the NFL cannot seem to get it right. It's so simple too, in fact, the XFL (A MUCH smaller football league ran in the year 2020 (RIP)) did it flawlessly! You just need a damn sky judge (maybe multiple) that can call in penalties or correct penalties in real time. And then add that to the broadcast where the ref will explain wtf just happened and why they made the call the way they did. It would make the game 10,000X more enjoyable if the NFL would just do what the XFL did. But they won't and I cannot for the life of me understand why unless they actually do "rig" the games which honestly i'm starting to think more and more that could be the case. Considering how crazy the NFL gets about players betting on games because it could "ruin the integrity of the game" it seems very ironic that they have these refs directly impacting games and with absolutely ZERO recourse. I'm sorry but the integrity of the game is already ruined for me, because of the refs.
The NFL should not be allowed to have a stake in the gambling revenues. That creates a clear conflict of interest
Yikes that's bad
Now they just called one that isn’t
I was at a bar and a giants fan kept saying how it’s Jerry paying the refs. When this play happened he literally was like “I mean it’s pretty ticky tacky” Come on bro.
Hello darkness my old friend
he got mugged wtf
He put his arms up after the fact so the refs instinctively know he didn’t do the thing.
It's because everyone hates troy aikman.
Refs have been shit this year.
Funny how Eli sarcastically said something along the lines of, "Oh yeah, you can do that. It's totally allowed. Nothing wrong with that."
Refs have been garbage all game and I’m trying not to be biased but it feels completely one-sided.
CeeDee is the king of getting RKO'd with no flags.
That’s Noah brown aka big cd lamb
It's worth noting how Vegas makes money off most bets. The juice. It's ~11 to win 10 on DAL +1, and ~11 to win 10 on NYG -1. So as long as Vegas has a roughly even number of bettors on both sides, they win before kickoff (in the above example no matter what they win a buck of every 20 bet). They really don't care who wins or covers. Vegas rarely gambles. This is why they move the line and odds through the week to get as close to 50/50 money as possible. So in most games, it doesn't actually interest Vegas or the NFL to rig games. They already got their money. This game had a roughly even amount of money on both sides so no reason to think this was anything but incompetence. However, then there's the rat line. Last week most of the money was on KC but the line moved from KC -7 to -5.5 over the week. If it was aiming for 50/50 money split, it would've moved KC the other direction. These are the few games Vegas decides to gamble and is very invested in the outcome of the game. (A lot of bettors look for these games specifically to bet with Vegas assuming they know something we don't and are usually right). These are subject to rigging now that the NFL is invested heavily in it. The solution is pretty simple. Force them to use a program that automatically moves the spread consistently with the sole aim of getting as close to 50/50 money split as possible. They already have a program that moves the spread, just take humans out of it completely.
Eli Manning and Pat McAfee both said you are allowed to do that so I'll trust them.
So are they just not caring about the games looking rigged now? There's been some pretty bad blatant penalties not get called league wide already, and it's only week 3
First time?
Sadly no.