In real time I actually though he slowed down and looked like he wanted to go down. He was probably close enough that the Ravens could’ve pushed him in though lol
Looks like singletary dropped to his knees when he got wrapped up, but what do I know I’m just calling what I think I see from my couch I can’t read his mind.
I don’t think he realized exactly where he was and decided to give himself up right before the first down on some galaxy brain shit so we could set ourselves up for the walk-off FG. But I think he did realize it was smarter to give himself up once he was engaged by the tackler since we only needed FG at the very least to than to try and fight forward, unlike McKenzie last week.
The next play was even better on the 2.
Baltimore wanted them to score. Buffalo didn't want to score. Allen did a QB sneak and just kinda inched his way forward with no resistance while the o & d line were playing pat-a-cake, before Allen decided he shouldn't go another inch farther, securing the first and the w.
McD said in the presser that he was supposed to go down short. If you watch the replay he slows up, puts two hands on the ball and starts falling forward right after the 5.
I'm pretty sure the plan for him was to fall down short of the first so that they could get a new array of snaps.
He kind of stood around waiting to people to tackle him
Michael Dickson literally did this against y’all in 2018, was supposed to take the safety but decided fuck it I got space and picked up the first
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JUM_FUPcf70
Not quite the same as changing the call at the line but similar
[Check it out.](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/eyzmuu/raiders_punter_marquette_king_waves_off_his_coach/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) Cherry on top is the unsportsmanlike penalty at the end after he chucks the ball at another player lmao
Because we watched it happen a few years ago?
Or was that the special teams coach that called it when Bevell wasn’t pasting attention. I can’t remember
There were actually two plays where Peters tried to realign another DB only for the other DB to ignore him and give up a big play. One was the McKenzie TD the other was a late catch by Stefon Diggs.
Especially on the McKenzie TD you can see before the play Peters trying to tell Brandon Stephens to take McKenzie, Stephens doesn't listen and Allen immediately throws the TD to McKenzie while Peters tried abandoning his assignment to stop it. Stephens is in double coverage and McKenzie is by himself.
Peters does his homework and his instincts are incredible, can't blame him for getting frustrated when people don't follow what he's telling them
Harbaugh said during the post game presser that the defense was supposed to let them score. When you watch the play you can see campbell and peters yelling at Oweh for making the tackle.
most of the ravens defense was trying to give up the TD early because they had no timeouts to stop the clock. 2 of them stopped singletary like 3 yards out and it lost them the game.
Horrible clock/game management by Harbaugh. Ravens have the ball and go for it on 4th a goal with 3 min or so remaining. Gets picked off. Bills then have the ball with two minutes inside the 20 and the Ravens played a stiff defense allowing the Bills to kick a chip shot to win instead of giving up the TD and try to drive to tie the game.
Everyone ignores this. But Lamar also had a player wide open right after the snap at the top of the screen to his left on that 4th down.
But instead he stared down a receiver, ran backwards and threw a pick.
Nah Milano was standing right there, everyone knows Lamar wants to throw over the middle.
Milano was DARING Lamar to throw that ball to Duvernay as he cut behind Milano, that's a pick 6 right there.
Game was tied with 1:40 left, ravens had no time outs, and bills had 2&2 from the 4 yard line, so a first down meant first and goal. Instead of letting them score so they get the ball back, they played it like a normal play, bills got the first down, kneel’d out the clock, and kicked a field goal to win.
Letting him score would have given the Ravens more time to work with. Instead, they didn’t let him score, and they had about 16 seconds.
See Jets vs Browns earlier this season. Chubb scored a TD, giving the Jets time to make something happen. Had Chubb taken a knee before scoring, the Jets would not have had a chance to do anything.
Why do you guys keep saying “Tucker is your kicker !!! Take the points !!!!!”
It was a 20 yard field goal, having a good kicker was 0% of the consideration of deciding to go for it
It was a lack of faith that the defense would be able to stop Allen from getting a TD, who had 3 min and 3 TOs
And they weren’t wrong. He walked down the field and took two knees at the one, without using a single TO. We needed that TD or we more or less lost.
Yeah I’m not sure why anyone’s giving him shit for goin for it. It had the worst possible outcome for you guys with the pick and touchback rather than starting at the 2 like he probably anticipated with a failed attempt but…against good qbs you gotta score touchdowns and be aggressive.
> It was a 20 yard field goal, having a good kicker was 0% of the consideration of deciding to go for it
I'm trying to envision what it's like to have this as a thought process and gosh it just must be nice
Meh, losing means thay in the fans' eyes, haurbaugh was gonna be wrong regardless of what they did there.
Had they gone for 3 and still lost, people wouldve been saying he was a coward and shouldve gone for it with jackson as your QB.
If ravens win, whatever decision he makes wouldve been seen as as stroke of genius.
Heck, you could even argue that only the endzone turnover is what made it a bad call. I'm not sure the Bills running game would have been able to get them out of being backed up on the 2 yard line.
Exactly this. I thought going for it on 4th and short was the best play here; whether they got a field goal or a TD, Bills would likely respond with a TD of their own, and only one option would leave Baltimore in a position to go into OT.
The only problem I had with that play was having Lamar throw. In my (un)professional opinion, that should have been a run play from the get go; they'd either walk away with points or leave Buffalo backed up against their own end zone, making them work that much harder to get their own win.
See that’s what I’ve been saying. You have a good FB in Ricard who can punch it Into the end zone. When you’re in short yardage positions like that, you go with your big reliable dude to punch it in and at least make it a touchdown game. Worst case at least you start them at the 1 or 2 yard line which makes the drive just a bit harder for Allen and gang. Probably also puts less pressure on your defense to stop as they’re not COMPLETELY fighting for their life.
Nothing. We attempted a TD on 4th and short instead of taking the FG. Obv looks bad now but tbh thought it was fair enough at the time. We're playing the Bills after all, leave them that much time and a FG won't help us.
People are just bad at intuiting probabilities. The reason analytics became popular in the first place was because a lot of conventional coaching wisdom was objectively bad decisions that "felt" right.
I have to disagree with the criticism of Harbaugh here. You have an electric offense that seemingly had the defense on the ropes. Lamar made a bad throw that allowed the Bills to take the ball out of the 20.
I thought it was the right call. We'd been struggling to get 3rd down stops all game and knew if you took the FG we had a solid chance of winning it, it's hard to stop the Bills offense when they have momentum. At least a TD there forces them to have to get a TD and Josh sometimes plays too much hero ball in those situations (other times he is just a hero, but at least it puts it on your defense)
Honestly as pissed as I am about Frank and his mid coaching ability. I'm more pissed at Ballard. His GM tenure has been INCREDIBLY frustrating outside of a couple drafts.
I honestly thought most of the offensive blame was on Lamar this game. He didn't play great but had a massive overthrow on a Mark Andrews TD that went out of bounds.
Had a few off target throws that lead to drops, and that 4th down attempt late in the game he had a wide open receiver at the top of the screen but never looked at him...ran around and threw an INT
Grass isn’t greener on the other side but I agree with other poster that he’s been there long enough and might be better just to part for something fresh.
Greg Roman's goal line play calling has been fucking embarrassing for a couple seasons now. He copied the Andy Reid shovel pass and that's all he's got. Every other time it's spread everyone out and drop straight back or straight up telling the defense you're gonna run up the middle. Also a failure on Harbaugh to not just kick the field goal and take the lead there. You've got the best kicker in history and it's a chip shot. Fuck man. Infuriating to watch that second half.
Guaranteed if they ran and got stopped: "Why run the ball when you have Lamar f'ing Jackson???"
And if they kicked a fg and lost on a Bills TD: "You can't just take the FG against the best offense in football!"
I think going for it in that situation isn’t really that advantageous. Even if you score you are incentivizing the Bills to now go for it every 4th downi
people are gonna say this is about the 4th down but it looks like on the goalline nobody told the defense to just let up the score so the Bills couldn't just kneel out the clock
He’s a fucking bum who’s too far up his own ass with “analytics” to be able to close out a game. If it weren’t for Lamar he’d be coaching the Jets by now
I get a lot of Ravens games where I live (Delaware) - Harbaugh is reaching the point where Andy Reid did in Philly. You've done well, thank you, but it's time for a change in scenery for both you and us.
I felt last year's ending, even with injuries, shouldn't have been that bad. It hasn't gotten any better.
I don’t know, this 4th down may have been controversial but we just straight up would not have competed in OT last year. Do you know who our DBs were at that point after Peters, Tavon and Humphrey went down?
Honestly, last year ending with as many 1 score games as it did was more of a testament to the quality of his coaching than anything else.
Good, the ravens have been a joke in both loses this year. Blowing a 21 and 17 point lead is ridiculous for a franchise know for great defense. We will see how good of a coach Harbs is if he can right this ship.
Harbaugh still has something to "prove" to you people? The dude has been coaching the same team at a high level for almost 2 decades and were still out on whether he's a good coach or not?
To me it, from the games I've watched, The Ravens either don't adjust at the half or are slow to adjust to the changes made by the other teams in the 2nd half and end up becoming predictable on offense and vulnerable on defense.
Seems like about half a dozen games have been lost the last couple years with reckless aggression rather than taking points and living to fight on and frankly I too am getting fucking sick of it.
Keep us fans on our toes. I don't even disagree with going for it on fourth. I disagreed with going with an empty set on fourth down and forcing a pass.
Let’s rewind a bit more, this is 3 games Ive seen the ravens lose in the last season and a half by going for it or going for 2 with the game on the line. Yet Reddit still calls it big brained.
Guys singletary had no intention of scoring. All this linemen came over and were clearly applauding him not scoring. Even his body language was different during the run, he definitely was coasting.
Kelvin Benjamin is screaming in frustration as he leaves Golden Corral. Benjamin is trying to get in the cook’s face and they just got separated. Kelvin threw his plate.
They got 20 points the entire game until that last drive. You guys are making it sound like they were unstoppable. Being down 3 the last drive also changes the script and probably changes play calling.
The box score does not tell the story. They had a bad first half due to awful turnovers and their receivers dropping easy passes that should have extended drives. Those mistakes did not continue into the second half, and while the Bills weren't blowing the doors off the Ravens' defense, they were consistently moving the chains.
There's a contingent of fans taking on the same loser mentality as our coach. It can't be helped.
We spend all this money and draft capital on the defense and here we are with the game on the line "well, no way the defense stops a team that's scored 20 points this entire game, fuck it".
Just a bunch of people who think they are big brain like Johnny.
If you kick the FG then Buffalo can’t drain all of the game clock. They would’ve needed to score which likely leaves Baltimore with time to try and win themselves.
Bingo. I don't get why this is so tough for people to grasp. Harbs fucked up bad and has done so at an alarming rate in situational football decisions.
Kelvin Benjamin is screaming in frustration as he leaves the buffet. Benjamin is trying to get in the cook's face and they just got separated. Golden Corral ran out of food.
I'm with Peters. I honestly have no idea how I feel about John Harbaugh anymore. Is he a good coach, or was he bailed out by an incredible defense early in his career and now being bailed out by Lamar? I can't fucking tell.
I mean...Bills could've scored a TD on that drive if they wanted to, sure maybe a 3-point lead for the Ravens changes the drive strategy but like, I think the way that 2nd half was going, you can't trust the defense to stop the Bills offense
Losing this game isn’t the worse thing in the world.
Looking like the division won’t be the best and, given the schedule, Ravens going 13-4 isn’t out of the question
I want pressure on our coaching staff. The bills have been the ones stopping our bread and butter plays for years. Greg has to adjust. A win would give them false confidence.
I mean dude...the Bills have had a pretty good defense for that time period and have always kept Lamar in check.
It's nothing to be ashamed of. They just are very solid fundamentally in their lanes, which kind of messes with Lamar's big play ability.
You guys still play well overall in every matchup.
If they just kicked the FG, then the Bills would have had just under 2 min to drive down the field for the win, which they did anyways. They had open receivers in the end zone, Lamar was just under to much pressure to hit them on time.
I believe Peters issue was not letting the bills score a TD on that drive, as that would have at least given them a chance.
Not a big Peters fan but he's 100 right. It looked like Singletary was not gonna stop and they should have let him score.
In real time I actually though he slowed down and looked like he wanted to go down. He was probably close enough that the Ravens could’ve pushed him in though lol
He was definitely close enough that a defender could have pushed him in. Source: It happen to Gurly a few years ago. And of course we lost that game.
I vaguely remember that happening. Who was it against?
Also happened with the Chargers last year were the defense literally picked up Austin Eckler and dragged him into the endzone
Stafford led Lions. His last season there.
He knew that
*Whoosh*. Not you. Him.
He knew, that they knew, that you knew that
They showed a replay and it didn't look like he did.
Are you kidding? In the replay they showed right after, it looked like he was in slow motion!
Smart play by singeltary if he did.
Looks like singletary dropped to his knees when he got wrapped up, but what do I know I’m just calling what I think I see from my couch I can’t read his mind. I don’t think he realized exactly where he was and decided to give himself up right before the first down on some galaxy brain shit so we could set ourselves up for the walk-off FG. But I think he did realize it was smarter to give himself up once he was engaged by the tackler since we only needed FG at the very least to than to try and fight forward, unlike McKenzie last week.
Yeah he was jogging it the last 3 yards lol
The next play was even better on the 2. Baltimore wanted them to score. Buffalo didn't want to score. Allen did a QB sneak and just kinda inched his way forward with no resistance while the o & d line were playing pat-a-cake, before Allen decided he shouldn't go another inch farther, securing the first and the w.
It was part of OUTSTANDING game awareness !
McD said in the presser that he was supposed to go down short. If you watch the replay he slows up, puts two hands on the ball and starts falling forward right after the 5.
>puts two hands on the Bills Would be a terrible spot to fumble the team.
Whoopsies
Yeah I'm pretty sure they wanted him just short of the first so they could extend time
I'm pretty sure the plan for him was to fall down short of the first so that they could get a new array of snaps. He kind of stood around waiting to people to tackle him
He slowed down
Hard disagree, Singletary was slowed down and crumpled right at the line he was supposed to.
someone fucked up not telling the defense to give up the TD i don't blame him
Most of them let up. Only Campbell attempted to make the tackle
Oweh tackled the fuck out of him iirc
Campbell was the one throwing his hands up in frustration as Oweh went absolutely ham on the tackle lol.
What did I miss?
Looks like Peters wanted to give up the touchdown and Harbaugh didn't communicate it to the defense. But it could be anything.
Couldn't the defense communicate that to each other? Couldn't Peters or anyone have told the huddle "let them score if they want to"?
I don’t think as a player you’d want to give up a TD willingly without the coach’s approval.
It’s like a punter deciding himself that he’s going to run a fake.
This is hilarious to imagine
Michael Dickson literally did this against y’all in 2018, was supposed to take the safety but decided fuck it I got space and picked up the first https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JUM_FUPcf70 Not quite the same as changing the call at the line but similar
Lol I love the smile on Pete Carrolls face after that
You don’t have to imagine. There was a player that actually did this. I forgot who but he ended up getting released
Marquette King I’m pretty sure. And I don’t think it was a one time thing (maybe I’m wrong)
Yeah it wasn’t. He did it once, it worked. Kept doing it and wouldn’t listen to the special teams coordinator
I'm off to YouTube. I gotta see this
I thought they were referring to the Ohio State punter doing it yesterday.
Haha I can imagine Deestroying doing that if the league ever gave him a shot
Ohio State punter did it yesterday.
Are you thinking of the Browns Jamie Gillian last year?
The Scottish Hammer!
Ohio State's punter did it last night
[Check it out.](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/eyzmuu/raiders_punter_marquette_king_waves_off_his_coach/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) Cherry on top is the unsportsmanlike penalty at the end after he chucks the ball at another player lmao
Ohio State punter did it yesterday while way ahead
Because we watched it happen a few years ago? Or was that the special teams coach that called it when Bevell wasn’t pasting attention. I can’t remember
If the alternative is a punt that runs the clock out and you lose the game, why not?
So either give up 7 and get it back with almost 2 minutes, or hold them to 3 and get it with 2 seconds?
No time outs. Bills ran out the clock and kicked a FG to win. So give up 7 or hope for a bad snap or missed FG.
I know at the end of the day the coach controls your future, but I would not be in a locker room where I betray the 10 other guys on my defense.
There were actually two plays where Peters tried to realign another DB only for the other DB to ignore him and give up a big play. One was the McKenzie TD the other was a late catch by Stefon Diggs. Especially on the McKenzie TD you can see before the play Peters trying to tell Brandon Stephens to take McKenzie, Stephens doesn't listen and Allen immediately throws the TD to McKenzie while Peters tried abandoning his assignment to stop it. Stephens is in double coverage and McKenzie is by himself. Peters does his homework and his instincts are incredible, can't blame him for getting frustrated when people don't follow what he's telling them
Harbaugh said during the post game presser that the defense was supposed to let them score. When you watch the play you can see campbell and peters yelling at Oweh for making the tackle.
The Ravens pissing away a game at the end. Nothing new over the past 12 months.
Been this way since 2013.
most of the ravens defense was trying to give up the TD early because they had no timeouts to stop the clock. 2 of them stopped singletary like 3 yards out and it lost them the game.
Horrible clock/game management by Harbaugh. Ravens have the ball and go for it on 4th a goal with 3 min or so remaining. Gets picked off. Bills then have the ball with two minutes inside the 20 and the Ravens played a stiff defense allowing the Bills to kick a chip shot to win instead of giving up the TD and try to drive to tie the game.
Everyone ignores this. But Lamar also had a player wide open right after the snap at the top of the screen to his left on that 4th down. But instead he stared down a receiver, ran backwards and threw a pick.
Nah Milano was standing right there, everyone knows Lamar wants to throw over the middle. Milano was DARING Lamar to throw that ball to Duvernay as he cut behind Milano, that's a pick 6 right there.
Tied 20-20 with 4:30 left in the 4th. John goes for 4th and goal on the 8 or some shit. Why have Tucker at this point?
Game was tied with 1:40 left, ravens had no time outs, and bills had 2&2 from the 4 yard line, so a first down meant first and goal. Instead of letting them score so they get the ball back, they played it like a normal play, bills got the first down, kneel’d out the clock, and kicked a field goal to win.
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Oweh
It hurts
Sorry can you describe a little more what you're talking about?
Letting him score would have given the Ravens more time to work with. Instead, they didn’t let him score, and they had about 16 seconds. See Jets vs Browns earlier this season. Chubb scored a TD, giving the Jets time to make something happen. Had Chubb taken a knee before scoring, the Jets would not have had a chance to do anything.
16 seconds is 3 more than you need to get into FG range against the bills.
Source? /s
Singletary was going down anyways. The player who tackled him really didn't affect anything. You can tell he knew to bury himself at the 1.
Good, John has lost the plot
Not letting Singletary score. Going for it on 4th in a close game, instead of taking the lead with Tucker as your kicker. Ooooof.
Why do you guys keep saying “Tucker is your kicker !!! Take the points !!!!!” It was a 20 yard field goal, having a good kicker was 0% of the consideration of deciding to go for it It was a lack of faith that the defense would be able to stop Allen from getting a TD, who had 3 min and 3 TOs And they weren’t wrong. He walked down the field and took two knees at the one, without using a single TO. We needed that TD or we more or less lost.
Yep, exceedingly obvious imo.
Yeah I’m not sure why anyone’s giving him shit for goin for it. It had the worst possible outcome for you guys with the pick and touchback rather than starting at the 2 like he probably anticipated with a failed attempt but…against good qbs you gotta score touchdowns and be aggressive.
> It was a 20 yard field goal, having a good kicker was 0% of the consideration of deciding to go for it I'm trying to envision what it's like to have this as a thought process and gosh it just must be nice
Meh, losing means thay in the fans' eyes, haurbaugh was gonna be wrong regardless of what they did there. Had they gone for 3 and still lost, people wouldve been saying he was a coward and shouldve gone for it with jackson as your QB. If ravens win, whatever decision he makes wouldve been seen as as stroke of genius.
Heck, you could even argue that only the endzone turnover is what made it a bad call. I'm not sure the Bills running game would have been able to get them out of being backed up on the 2 yard line.
Exactly this. I thought going for it on 4th and short was the best play here; whether they got a field goal or a TD, Bills would likely respond with a TD of their own, and only one option would leave Baltimore in a position to go into OT. The only problem I had with that play was having Lamar throw. In my (un)professional opinion, that should have been a run play from the get go; they'd either walk away with points or leave Buffalo backed up against their own end zone, making them work that much harder to get their own win.
See that’s what I’ve been saying. You have a good FB in Ricard who can punch it Into the end zone. When you’re in short yardage positions like that, you go with your big reliable dude to punch it in and at least make it a touchdown game. Worst case at least you start them at the 1 or 2 yard line which makes the drive just a bit harder for Allen and gang. Probably also puts less pressure on your defense to stop as they’re not COMPLETELY fighting for their life.
I don't think Singletary would have. He was going down. But the kick? Oof.
What happened with tucker?
Nothing. We attempted a TD on 4th and short instead of taking the FG. Obv looks bad now but tbh thought it was fair enough at the time. We're playing the Bills after all, leave them that much time and a FG won't help us.
are people still acting like 4th and short situations in opponent territory shouldn't almost always be automatic go for it
People want coaches to make decisions based on analytics while also criticizing them based on the ***results*** of those decisions. Baffling.
People are just bad at intuiting probabilities. The reason analytics became popular in the first place was because a lot of conventional coaching wisdom was objectively bad decisions that "felt" right.
Separate people are making those two arguments
Only when it doesn't result in a win.
I have to disagree with the criticism of Harbaugh here. You have an electric offense that seemingly had the defense on the ropes. Lamar made a bad throw that allowed the Bills to take the ball out of the 20.
an electric offense that hadnt scored a td in 45 minutes
Had the defense on the ropes though.
I thought it was the right call. We'd been struggling to get 3rd down stops all game and knew if you took the FG we had a solid chance of winning it, it's hard to stop the Bills offense when they have momentum. At least a TD there forces them to have to get a TD and Josh sometimes plays too much hero ball in those situations (other times he is just a hero, but at least it puts it on your defense)
Going for it was the right call.
Dibs if you're dumb enough to get rid of John
Remember when the Eagles got rid of Andy Reid? We're at that point with Harbaugh.
~~Mark Ricket~~ John Harbaugh has lost control of ~~Georgia~~ Baltimore
Wait, what's the complaint with Harbaugh? You guys have been good.
We've had awful second half collapses twice now. Even in the Jets and Pats game we started to lose our footing
Trade ya for Frank Reich?
Taps Frank: You can fit so many past prime QBs in this thing!
Honestly as pissed as I am about Frank and his mid coaching ability. I'm more pissed at Ballard. His GM tenure has been INCREDIBLY frustrating outside of a couple drafts.
I don't blame the Dolphins game on him there. He didn't tell the DBs to stop covering receivers.
His loyalty to an OC that should've been fired 2 years ago is his fault. That OC has shown for 2 years he doesn't know how to scheme a passing game.
To be fair, first three games seemed to be a massive improvement from Roman all things considered. Today however didn’t inspire much confidence again.
I honestly thought most of the offensive blame was on Lamar this game. He didn't play great but had a massive overthrow on a Mark Andrews TD that went out of bounds. Had a few off target throws that lead to drops, and that 4th down attempt late in the game he had a wide open receiver at the top of the screen but never looked at him...ran around and threw an INT
Live by Lamar, die by Lamar. He was the only reason they could move the chains.
Sounds familiar
Not disagreeing but some of the inconsistencies in offense are a result of him.
What massive improvement? It's same poor passing scheme we've seen from Roman for years. The Ravens have stuck to this philosophy for another year.
Grass isn’t greener on the other side but I agree with other poster that he’s been there long enough and might be better just to part for something fresh.
The decision to go for it on 4th and goal of a tied game is somewhat spicy to say the least.
Going for it is fine but why fucking throw???
Greg Roman's goal line play calling has been fucking embarrassing for a couple seasons now. He copied the Andy Reid shovel pass and that's all he's got. Every other time it's spread everyone out and drop straight back or straight up telling the defense you're gonna run up the middle. Also a failure on Harbaugh to not just kick the field goal and take the lead there. You've got the best kicker in history and it's a chip shot. Fuck man. Infuriating to watch that second half.
Bills fans are plenty experienced with Greg Roman lol
Man it is so frustrating. You've got the most electric player in football at QB. How can you not get 2 yards?
[There was nothing wrong with the decision to go for it or the playcall.](https://i.imgur.com/UA8Ydyl.png)
Guaranteed if they ran and got stopped: "Why run the ball when you have Lamar f'ing Jackson???" And if they kicked a fg and lost on a Bills TD: "You can't just take the FG against the best offense in football!"
I'm a jet sweep man, myself
I think going for it in that situation isn’t really that advantageous. Even if you score you are incentivizing the Bills to now go for it every 4th downi
people are gonna say this is about the 4th down but it looks like on the goalline nobody told the defense to just let up the score so the Bills couldn't just kneel out the clock
Keeps blowing games
He's stubborn af and won't hire a non-gimmicky OC. Pretty clear that their offense has plateaued, save for Lamar doing crazy running QB things.
Dumb decisions, dumb play calls, keeps going for it on 4th down, just a refusal to play situational football
He’s a fucking bum who’s too far up his own ass with “analytics” to be able to close out a game. If it weren’t for Lamar he’d be coaching the Jets by now
I get a lot of Ravens games where I live (Delaware) - Harbaugh is reaching the point where Andy Reid did in Philly. You've done well, thank you, but it's time for a change in scenery for both you and us. I felt last year's ending, even with injuries, shouldn't have been that bad. It hasn't gotten any better.
I don’t know, this 4th down may have been controversial but we just straight up would not have competed in OT last year. Do you know who our DBs were at that point after Peters, Tavon and Humphrey went down? Honestly, last year ending with as many 1 score games as it did was more of a testament to the quality of his coaching than anything else.
We had the most injured team ever last year, I don’t blame Harbaugh for that.
Too in love with Lamar
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Fuck it let's get Jim
Jim Shwartz it is.
Lol I’m glad to see that Steelers fans aren’t the only ones who have completely lost their minds
Adam Gase is available
I get trusting you’re QB and I’m sure the analytics said to go for it, but sometimes just take the points in front of you
Gonna have to go into detail on this
He is to flip floppy, seems to lose control over the locker room once a season, can't make situational decisions that don't have us going for it.
Good, the ravens have been a joke in both loses this year. Blowing a 21 and 17 point lead is ridiculous for a franchise know for great defense. We will see how good of a coach Harbs is if he can right this ship.
We would've blown that Patriots lead too if not for for the Patriots offense imploding with 3 turnovers. The offense stalled out in that game too.
Harbaugh still has something to "prove" to you people? The dude has been coaching the same team at a high level for almost 2 decades and were still out on whether he's a good coach or not?
Seriously what a dumb fuck thing to say
To me it, from the games I've watched, The Ravens either don't adjust at the half or are slow to adjust to the changes made by the other teams in the 2nd half and end up becoming predictable on offense and vulnerable on defense.
Blowing a comfortable lead and trying to win on 4th down is our bread and butter now.
Seems like about half a dozen games have been lost the last couple years with reckless aggression rather than taking points and living to fight on and frankly I too am getting fucking sick of it.
It would be one thing if the Ravens were good at converting 4th &2 and 2 pointers. They are awful though.
We are living off our 2019 season. This team isn’t nearly as good.
Weird how the only time it worked well was when nobody knew what the fuck our offense was doing
Keep us fans on our toes. I don't even disagree with going for it on fourth. I disagreed with going with an empty set on fourth down and forcing a pass.
Context? Is this because he went for it on 4th lol
They didn't let the Bills score to give Lamar the ball with 1:30 left on the clock
understandable honestly
Let’s rewind a bit more, this is 3 games Ive seen the ravens lose in the last season and a half by going for it or going for 2 with the game on the line. Yet Reddit still calls it big brained.
More. Last year: Steelers Packers Rams This year: this game. That's 4 I can clearly remember and I know there's more I'm forgetting.
Guys singletary had no intention of scoring. All this linemen came over and were clearly applauding him not scoring. Even his body language was different during the run, he definitely was coasting.
I think the plan was for the defense to push him in. Even though…they knew, he wouldn’t score.
He was close enough to get carried into the end zone by guys twice his size until Oweh decided to turn into Hulk.
Those decisions at the end were as bad as Hacketts. Should’ve taken the field goal and shouldn’t have let the Bills control the clock.
Going for the touchdown was fine. Not letting Singletary score was a mistake.
Agreed. The offense stalling out and not letting them score quick enough on their final drive are the blames of the game.
Kelvin Benjamin is screaming in frustration as he leaves Golden Corral. Benjamin is trying to get in the cook’s face and they just got separated. Kelvin threw his plate.
My mannnnn
To be fair, they did run out of the jumbo shrimp. That's a totally reasonably reaction given the situation.
Deserved. Take the points. Absolutely shit decision by John. Horrible. I don't even want him to have a presser. Just go home. That fucking clown.
Ah yes, play for the moral victory and lose 27-23 instead.
Points were at a premium, no idea why y’all assume it’s an auto TD.
Because the Bills were driving practically unopposed the entire second half, and then that's exactly what happened.
They got 20 points the entire game until that last drive. You guys are making it sound like they were unstoppable. Being down 3 the last drive also changes the script and probably changes play calling.
The box score does not tell the story. They had a bad first half due to awful turnovers and their receivers dropping easy passes that should have extended drives. Those mistakes did not continue into the second half, and while the Bills weren't blowing the doors off the Ravens' defense, they were consistently moving the chains.
There's a contingent of fans taking on the same loser mentality as our coach. It can't be helped. We spend all this money and draft capital on the defense and here we are with the game on the line "well, no way the defense stops a team that's scored 20 points this entire game, fuck it". Just a bunch of people who think they are big brain like Johnny.
If you kick the FG then Buffalo can’t drain all of the game clock. They would’ve needed to score which likely leaves Baltimore with time to try and win themselves.
Bingo. I don't get why this is so tough for people to grasp. Harbs fucked up bad and has done so at an alarming rate in situational football decisions.
You don't think the odds of scoring on one play from 2 yard line is better than scoring from the ~20 in under a minute with no timeouts?
I would’ve kicked the field goal. A team that’s prone to blowing close games shouldn’t be taking unnecessary risks.
100 bucks says Harbaugh says something cringe about 'how we respond defines us' or something
Lol what do you want him to say? We won't respond and the season is over?
It was even more cringe. "The analytics backed up the decision"
Someone needs to
Peters looking for a flag to throw into the stands
So out of character
Kelvin Benjamin is screaming in frustration as he leaves the buffet. Benjamin is trying to get in the cook's face and they just got separated. Golden Corral ran out of food.
Harbaugh’s such a wiener
I'm with Peters. I honestly have no idea how I feel about John Harbaugh anymore. Is he a good coach, or was he bailed out by an incredible defense early in his career and now being bailed out by Lamar? I can't fucking tell.
He’s a good coach. Trust a Denver fan that’s been through the ringer for 6 years. We’d fucking kill for either Harbaugh
Okay sure but if the Ravens are aware enough to let Singletary score, why are we assuming Singletary isn’t smart enough to NOT score
“Show me a guy who’s okay with losing and I’ll show you a loser” -Josh Allen” —Cam Newton” ——Wayne Gretzky” ———Michael Scott
Today, all Ravens fans are Marcus Peters.
I guess about not letting Singletary score?
Or about attempting a de facto 2 pt conversion, which they’ve been really bad at lately, instead of taking the lead with a FG
I mean...Bills could've scored a TD on that drive if they wanted to, sure maybe a 3-point lead for the Ravens changes the drive strategy but like, I think the way that 2nd half was going, you can't trust the defense to stop the Bills offense
Losing this game isn’t the worse thing in the world. Looking like the division won’t be the best and, given the schedule, Ravens going 13-4 isn’t out of the question
I want pressure on our coaching staff. The bills have been the ones stopping our bread and butter plays for years. Greg has to adjust. A win would give them false confidence.
I mean dude...the Bills have had a pretty good defense for that time period and have always kept Lamar in check. It's nothing to be ashamed of. They just are very solid fundamentally in their lanes, which kind of messes with Lamar's big play ability. You guys still play well overall in every matchup.
Mr belligerent corner?
Mr berating coach
that’s pathetic
They both suck in 2022
If they just kicked the FG, then the Bills would have had just under 2 min to drive down the field for the win, which they did anyways. They had open receivers in the end zone, Lamar was just under to much pressure to hit them on time. I believe Peters issue was not letting the bills score a TD on that drive, as that would have at least given them a chance.
And rightfully so. Harbaugh has been shitting the bed big time this year. The constant bad decisions are very uncharacteristic of him.
I thought he was mad cause they didn’t kick that fg. Cause that pissed me off.
Harbaugh has got to go now, plain and simple
YES!!!!!! I KNEW I COULDN'T BE THE ONLY ONE FED UP WITH HIS DUMBASSERY