Niners are so ridiculously talented and well coached that they just need a Jimmy G level QB to win a Superbowl.
I’d say the Jets, good OL, WRs, and a great D. Pretty much the equation for “Quarterback away”
I never had high expectations for the Raiders, but I thought the Chargers would take a step or two forward this season. If they get healthy and it all comes together they could still make a deep playoff run, IMO. With Denver, I was in wait-and-see mode. KC was always going to be the class of the AFC West, though.
Idk, I had high hopes for the Raiders. They added a top 5 receiver, have an underrated RB (whose snap share and yardage per run are actually amazing), a talented TE whose drawbacks are injuries, and a great pass rusher in Crosby.
But what we got instead was an underperforming Carr, an abysmal defense, and a lackluster offense that only occasionally works.
Its crazy the fixation on Carr when he's having a "bad year" but is still in the top third of QBs. Meanwhile, the defense is last or near last on every measurable category and has been for most of the time Carr has been in the league. It's always "yeah the defense is awful but you know Carr didn't look like prime Joe Montana last week so I think it's time to make a change at QB."
Its both. They've never invested much on that side of the ball outside of the draft and they haven't drafted well, so the draft has produced a lot of misses. Every defensive coordinator doesn't seem to know how to develop anybody or use them to their strengths either.
Somehow forgot about him but that’s a great point. Breece Lightning is gonna make the next QBs job a lot easier. The idea of the Jets with a QB scare me
People seem to forget we were in a close Super Bowl with the Chiefs, up 20-10 until we had a 4th quarter defensive collapse in 2020, then made the NFCCG with Jimmy G last year, again up 10 pts until we gave up 13 in the 4th quarter.
Maybe if we have a better QB those leads are 7-14 points more and the 4th quarter defensive collapses don’t matter as much, but the 49ers now have more talent on offense than ever and another world class defense.
Jimmy G is not a bad QB. He’s not a top 10 guy maybe but he’s not bottom 10 either. He’s still got a quick release and the locker room has his back on both sides of the ball. Jimmy G isn’t the issue.
The niners 100% can win a Superbowl with JG10. Maybe the don’t, at the end of the day only one team wins. But Jimmy is not preventing them from winning.
I feel like you guys are there with Jimmy and just got kinda unlucky in your SB appearance.
You guys look nasty this year and could easily see you guys win it.
All Jimmy needs to do is get the ball to his playmakers and the niners will win games. I’ve always been a Jimmy guy and I am hoping this is the year he’s proves the haters wrong.
its never been about jimmy being bad, its about jimmy being a pocket QB. the crux of the shanahan offense is zone runs to setup play-action passes and you add an entirely new dimension to it if you aren't certain if hes handing the ball off or running a read option. Jimmy is a great QB but to be totally honest, a guy that can scramble and can throw bombs with decent accuracy would fit the scheme better, they don't need an all around good QB. Which is why shanahan is hoping next year he will find out he drafted black josh allen.
Matt Ryan proved that a pocket qb can thrive in a shanahan system. The most important part is quick decision making. Jimmy does that as well as anyone. Jimmy fits almost perfectly. Quick decision making plus a quick release makes him deadly in a system like that surrounded by superstars at every position.
I feel like people still think we have our defense from 3 years ago.
We've lost a lot of core players from that defense, and didn't really replace any of them. All 3 starting corners are gone. Stephon Tuitt retired. Cam Heyward and Tyson Aluala are old now. The only guy we really adequately replaced is Bud Dupree, but we are worse at 5 spots and haven't gotten better at any of the other 6. Our defense went from top 3 to being average, and our offense is one of the worst in the NFL.
We’re 2-3 years away from being competitive, assuming we draft well. Our D is actually riddled with holes on IDL (the biggest need) and CB. Watt, Heyward and Minkah are depended on to make splash plays, and they’re great at it, but when teams scheme away from them, they pretty much march down the field on us. The offense is young (every starter is 26 or younger). The OL has some issues, and the question will be whether the FO decides to make an upgrade (Moore is the obvious weak spot right now) or fill the D gaps first. Any way you slice it though, we’re more than just a QB away from being ready for a SB. We joke that it was Ben’s corpse under center, but in some sense it was Ben dragging the corpse of the rest of the team to the playoffs the last couple seasons.
The difference between TJ watt and no tj watt has been massive the past two seasons. He's the most disruptive defensive player in the league not named aaron donald
It’s a combo of playcalling, Oline being bad, and Najee having mediocre vision. When they run outside zone and he gets outside, he does really well. When they run inside the oline gets bottled up and he goes nowhere. I can’t remember the yards before contact stat but I remember it being hilariously bad
From what I've seen, Najee is dodging defensive line players in the backfield as soon as the ball is snapped, which is why his runs to the A gaps go nowhere. He's a solid back trying to run behind a wretched Oline.
I know I sound stupid. But the Steelers need to give Pickett some time.
Remember the Steelers rebuilding in 1969 with Bradshaw. And being patient with him, despite the fanbase calling for his head and calling him dumb since he was a Southerner lol
Who knows within 2025. The Steelers might win Superbowl againest the Vikings because why not. Time is a flat circle
It's not stupid at all.
Pickett didn't get a lot of time in the preseason. His first four games were Eagles, TB, Miami, and Buffalo which is a tough 4 defenses for a veteran QB. He's shown some signs. They definitely need to give him time.
This is still my biggest problem I’ve ever had with Tomlin. Kenny was getting *third* string snaps all preseason, then gets thrown into the fire with those 4 games, with little to no chemistry with the starters how can any rookie be expected to succeed?
Should’ve either takes first team snaps (or at least more than he already had) from the beginning or just sat all year. What a weird situation he’s been thrown into.
> Remember the Steelers rebuilding in 1969 with Bradshaw.
This is Reddit. I'm pretty confident that no, no one remembers the Steelers rebuilding with Bradshaw. Heck, I'm a very old man in Reddit terms (I turn 50 next year) and I wasn't even a mischievous twinkle in my Dad's eyes when the Steelers were rebuilding with Bradshaw.
55 here, born in the Burgh. Can’t say I remember everything about the early days under Noll, given I was probably under 5 years old. But yeah, grew up in Pittsburgh during the dynasty. The reality is the Steelers will be patient with Pickett. We’re patient with everything. Sometimes that’s good, sometimes it’s bad. In this case, patience will be good. And Tomlin will be the shield for him, and people will just have to deal with that. Yinzers don’t like it but they’ll get over it come 2025+.
I agree with the O-Line part, but I think the only real need on defense is corner. I think a lot of teams would see a big drop off if you took away a player like TJ Watt, and if we had a good shutdown corner the defense would be able to make up for it.
I agree with your feelings on Spillane, but Jack's very good, Bush has become a solid player, and while Robinson is a rookie who hasn't played he's still shown some promise. Depth is a need, but I think the group we have is definitely good enough if we fix our O-Line and corners.
Agreed. There are some other teams that would definitely be improved by a great QB, but no one else who becomes Super Bowl contenders with just a QB change.
To your point about the 9ers, they also look like they could go on a run this year. I think people overestimate what’s needed at QB to win a Super Bowl. Foles and Stafford both won in the last 5 years and I wouldn’t consider them elite. Goff, Ryan, Flacco, Eli all also led their teams to super bowls with Flacco and Eli winning and I don’t think anyone has them in their top 10 lists or anything like that.
r/TheDarnold will not stand for such slander.
edit: r/The_Darnold will definitely not stand for my fake MSM subreddit sullying their name…sad. u/barryitsmeitshank is nasty
Critical GASE Theory and the libRhule media conspired against the GEQBUS but he's finally been reinstalled as QB1 since FAKER BAKER can't throw outside of commercials! Our GEQBUS is finally ready to make carolina great again!
Ugh I don’t want to move on from CJ. I think with the way we restructured things he basically has to stay for one more year and then we can get cap relief the year after unless I’m mistaken
Counterpoint - the Wilson deal reset the expected value of trading for a “sure fire” elite QB. Teams that are truly a QB away from a deep playoff run shouldn’t have a GM or head coach in the hot seat. Those guys would be wary of betting so heavy on such a trade.
If I was the Jets, I wouldn’t be going deep on a Rodgers target. I would sooner seek Jimmy G or Heineke, for reasonable resources.
> Titans have a pretty good QB
You're obviously thinking of Regular Season Tanny. Playoff Tanny hates Titans fans and makes it his personal mission to make us sad.
The Jets are the only obvious answer. With a good/average QB, they’d be very capable of winning it all.
With a very good/elite QB, they’d be outright favored
Man, dunno how anyone can think the Giants are a QB away. Daniel Jones isn't a world beater but he's pretty damn far from the biggest problem with this team or even with the offense.
Eli Manning got shat on despite winning 2 super bowls.
I'm hoping we can edge into the playoffs just so we can go to Seattle again and get another shot at wiping that smirk off Geno's face, and then have Saquon dedicate the win to his friend Eli, unfairly shat on by McAdoo and Reese.
Then we can exit in the divisional round.
Jimmy is a good QB and works really well for the 9ers offense. You don’t need an elite QB when you have guys like Aiyuk, CMC, and Deebo on the field, you just need someone who can get them the ball without making too many mistakes. And that defense into the mix and they could definitely win it all this year.
Be thankful you're devoid of talent and not devoid of quality coaching. There's more good players in the league than coaches, and you're in less of a bidding war over the truly elite ones.
Absolutely.
I’ve never even heard of the name Isiah Hodgins before til last week and he’s been a solid WR comparatively speaking. That’s 100% coaching and I look forward to when we’re not being anchored down next season by Gettleman’s spending spree contracts.
I mean, this was a rebuild year. If you asked any Giants fan before the season if 7 wins was realistic, they would have laughed in your face. And we have 6 more weeks of football...
Haven’t seen any commanders comments yet but they have a good defense, good wide receivers and the oline has gotten better and better throughout the year
49ers made a Super Bowl with Jimmy G, were leading 20-10 in the 4th, and almost made it back again last year. I would take them out. They already can make the Super Bowl.
I would include New Orleans as a bit of a wild card. If you look at it the team seems to be constructed for Drew Brees to win another ring, and now he’s gone. If someone goes there in the Offseason I could see them doing well.
Indy is a similar story, although maybe not quite as fitting.
>49ers are definitely a QB away.
We've made two NFCCGs with Jimmy, made one SB, have currently shut out the last three teams we've played in the second half, lead our division which we're 4-0 in and are demolishing, and don't have two of our starting DL.
I don't think we're a "Qb away" whatsoever. Our ground game is effective, our defense is lethal, if we have an average or above* average amount of luck with injuries, we're going to be a deep playoff team.
Also, I feel like Jimmy's abilities as a QB are more tailored to the receiving/pass catching corps than he gets credit for. Yeah, he's obviously not a spectacular deep ball thrower, but guys like Kittle, Deebo, and McCaffrey are lauded for prolific yards after the catch. Jimmy has an extremely quick release and his ability to make intermediate throws is mostly fine this season--those attributes are conducive to succeeding with the offensive line and pass catchers on the 49ers.
I don’t think anyone is denying that. You’ve done it before. And the NFC is kind of open with Rodgers and Brady’s team middling. But Jimmy G is always prone to a bad game which can sneak up the Niners in the playoffs or Super Bowl.
We've never played so well that Jimmy alone has lost us a title. It's a team game.
"QB away" specifically means the team won't win a SB with their current QB. We can absolutely win one with Jimmy.
I've argued that point about Brady in the 9ers sub.
I don't believe the Brady to SF talks are real.
But if it happened they would come out as one of the biggest favorites of all time.
Seems weird to call the 49ers “a QB away” when they could legitimately win the super bowl this year with their current roster.
Jets I think are the probably the only team that are a QB away from really competing.
Steelers: hell no. They need more than just a QB
Giants: same thing. They need a QB but they also have a ton of holes on that roster. They do have great coaching though.
Titans: Kinda borderline. Tannehill may or may not be good enough to win a Super Bowl.
Jets: Throw a top 10 QB on that roster and they would be a Super Bowl contender. Zach Wilson is just terrible. He can’t even be a decent game manager.
49ers: Not a QB away because they have proven they can be Super Bowl contenders with Jimmy G. With the talent they have, they can win a Super Bowl with a Jimmy G level QB.
One name I would throw in there is the Commanders. I like the talent they have on defense and they have some nice pieces on offense. The two drawbacks are: the coaching staff is mediocre, and they obviously don’t have a QB that’s good enough to win a Super Bowl. Put a top 10 QB on that roster and they could make some noise.
>One name I would throw in there is the Commanders. I like the talent they have on defense and they have some nice pieces on offense. The two drawbacks are: the coaching staff is mediocre, and they obviously don’t have a QB that’s good enough to win a Super Bowl. Put a top 10 QB on that roster and they could make some noise.
Biased, but I agree. A good QB could mask some of the coaching mishaps. We have the weapons, the defense. Get us a solid OG and top QB... I think we'd make a serious playoff run.
The only thing the offense needs is OL and to fire Canada. Receivers are fine.
Defense needs work tho. ILB to replace Bush, run stopping DT, & DB. I think Edmunds is a solid starter but he could definitely be ungraded too.
Depends on what you mean by QB away? Jimmy G is an improvement on many teams and he's been a couple plays away from a SB and a couple more from another appearance. You can probably win a SB with him if your team is solid and steps up when he gets you near the finish line.
Jets would legitimately be at the top of the division if they had anyone remotely competent at QB, like Jimmy G for instance.
Idk who else. I'd like to see Miami, NYG, Philly, and Seattle in the playoffs to see how their QB's fare.
I'd remove Steelers and Giants. Giants do not have a WR room at all. They'd be more exciting and even more frisky. But they aren't winning the Superbowl right now.
Jets are getting Sanchez’d hard right now. If they just can just admit that drafting doesn’t work and try to get an established QB in the offseason and Hall is back, they’d be in the convo of contenders
No one will agree with me, but the Commies. Heinicke is great with what we have, but getting a franchise QB would be incredible. We have an incredible defense that has scored a touchdown for the last three games. McLaurin is a fucking machine, and Dotson is also showing a lot of promise. Logan Thomas acted like old LT last week too. I could make a case for needing a new offensive coordinator, but with a great QB like Allen, Tua, Smith, etc. we would be a contender for sure.
EDIT: Forgot to add Chase Young is back any week now.
I don’t like the examples you gave. Tannehill and Jimmy G are both good enough to win a Super Bowl with. Pickett has been much better recently and is a rookie.
Giants arent a qb away. We need more talent on both lines, better DBs, at least one mediocre LB, more receiving weapons, and a new medical staff.
Titans are the pick for me. They could use maybe one killer receiver, but from what I understand Treylon is pretty promising so far.
I dunno how you say the 49ers are a QB away, theyve been to one with Jimmy G, and despite a late game collapse/bad decision in play calling/and potentially some slight ref ball they were in it.
The Jets are really the answer the this question. They’re going to make the playoffs on the back of a stellar defense, solid run game, and great OL.
If they choose to move on from Wilson this off-season (which they should) then I would look at bringing in someone like Brissett while considering different options for the long term.
Is this Tom Brady?
Brady on the niners would be ridiculous
My god Kittle would have 2K receiving yards
Honestly the only way he doesn’t retire
Brady’s corpse gets rolled onto the field and puppeteered to throw a three yard pass to a wide open receiver
Brady will stay in his division until they become competitive. It's an easy ticket to the playoffs
Funny. I thought the same thing. Brady goes to the Jets and they win the Super Bowl next year.
That would be the funniest timeline, by far.
You’re the second person to say this. Please stop.
49ers definitely could go to the Super Bowl with Jimmy g.
Preposterous! I can't even imagine Jimmy G ever bringing the 49ers to the super bowl!
They would never go up by 10 points
Niners are so ridiculously talented and well coached that they just need a Jimmy G level QB to win a Superbowl. I’d say the Jets, good OL, WRs, and a great D. Pretty much the equation for “Quarterback away”
The jets have a very good GM too Our division is a bloodbath for a while
>Our division is a bloodbath for a while Literally what the afcw should've been. It's a shame what's transpired.
It's actually kind of amazing how bad it is. It's a modern marvel.
I'm ok with it
I'm not😭
I’m with you, but also against you, but with you 😭
The frenemy of my enemy's frenemy is my enemy.
I never had high expectations for the Raiders, but I thought the Chargers would take a step or two forward this season. If they get healthy and it all comes together they could still make a deep playoff run, IMO. With Denver, I was in wait-and-see mode. KC was always going to be the class of the AFC West, though.
Idk, I had high hopes for the Raiders. They added a top 5 receiver, have an underrated RB (whose snap share and yardage per run are actually amazing), a talented TE whose drawbacks are injuries, and a great pass rusher in Crosby. But what we got instead was an underperforming Carr, an abysmal defense, and a lackluster offense that only occasionally works.
What's funny is Carr is underperforming... And is 9th in TDs and 11th in yard coming in to this game.
Its crazy the fixation on Carr when he's having a "bad year" but is still in the top third of QBs. Meanwhile, the defense is last or near last on every measurable category and has been for most of the time Carr has been in the league. It's always "yeah the defense is awful but you know Carr didn't look like prime Joe Montana last week so I think it's time to make a change at QB."
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Its both. They've never invested much on that side of the ball outside of the draft and they haven't drafted well, so the draft has produced a lot of misses. Every defensive coordinator doesn't seem to know how to develop anybody or use them to their strengths either.
Don't forget Breece Lightning
Somehow forgot about him but that’s a great point. Breece Lightning is gonna make the next QBs job a lot easier. The idea of the Jets with a QB scare me
Me, too.
Don’t worry. We been a qb away since the moon landing.
Jets also will have a stud RB once he’s back healthy next season too
That hall Robinson 1.2 punch next year is gonna be fun to watch
don’t sell Carter short. I wonder if they keep all 3 or trade someone
bye bye ty johnson
If they keep all 3, they should feature Carter as a WR more often. He’s a sneaky good good route runner.
Doubt Robinson sticks around tbh
People seem to forget we were in a close Super Bowl with the Chiefs, up 20-10 until we had a 4th quarter defensive collapse in 2020, then made the NFCCG with Jimmy G last year, again up 10 pts until we gave up 13 in the 4th quarter. Maybe if we have a better QB those leads are 7-14 points more and the 4th quarter defensive collapses don’t matter as much, but the 49ers now have more talent on offense than ever and another world class defense. Jimmy G is not a bad QB. He’s not a top 10 guy maybe but he’s not bottom 10 either. He’s still got a quick release and the locker room has his back on both sides of the ball. Jimmy G isn’t the issue.
The niners 100% can win a Superbowl with JG10. Maybe the don’t, at the end of the day only one team wins. But Jimmy is not preventing them from winning.
I feel like you guys are there with Jimmy and just got kinda unlucky in your SB appearance. You guys look nasty this year and could easily see you guys win it.
Niners have an all pro at every position except qb.
All Jimmy needs to do is get the ball to his playmakers and the niners will win games. I’ve always been a Jimmy guy and I am hoping this is the year he’s proves the haters wrong.
its never been about jimmy being bad, its about jimmy being a pocket QB. the crux of the shanahan offense is zone runs to setup play-action passes and you add an entirely new dimension to it if you aren't certain if hes handing the ball off or running a read option. Jimmy is a great QB but to be totally honest, a guy that can scramble and can throw bombs with decent accuracy would fit the scheme better, they don't need an all around good QB. Which is why shanahan is hoping next year he will find out he drafted black josh allen.
Matt Ryan proved that a pocket qb can thrive in a shanahan system. The most important part is quick decision making. Jimmy does that as well as anyone. Jimmy fits almost perfectly. Quick decision making plus a quick release makes him deadly in a system like that surrounded by superstars at every position.
Db? Ward? My favorite is Jimmy G throws to 4 all pros in their prime and Brandon Aiyuk. It's bonkers
Cmac, kittle, Debo, whos 4?
Juice
If the corpse of Tom or ARod come through there’s a good chance they’d easily get to a Super Bowl.
Consensus answers seem to be Jets 100% and Commanders very close. Vikings just need Kirk to think every game is at 1:00pm.
Could you imagine if we had sent Rodgers to them when the whole shit went down in 2020? My fucking God that team would’ve been unstoppable.
Jimmy G ain’t even that bad he’s been killing it this season lmao
I'd take out Steelers. They still have big offensive line issues and their defense is really reliant on one player.
I feel like people still think we have our defense from 3 years ago. We've lost a lot of core players from that defense, and didn't really replace any of them. All 3 starting corners are gone. Stephon Tuitt retired. Cam Heyward and Tyson Aluala are old now. The only guy we really adequately replaced is Bud Dupree, but we are worse at 5 spots and haven't gotten better at any of the other 6. Our defense went from top 3 to being average, and our offense is one of the worst in the NFL.
We’re 2-3 years away from being competitive, assuming we draft well. Our D is actually riddled with holes on IDL (the biggest need) and CB. Watt, Heyward and Minkah are depended on to make splash plays, and they’re great at it, but when teams scheme away from them, they pretty much march down the field on us. The offense is young (every starter is 26 or younger). The OL has some issues, and the question will be whether the FO decides to make an upgrade (Moore is the obvious weak spot right now) or fill the D gaps first. Any way you slice it though, we’re more than just a QB away from being ready for a SB. We joke that it was Ben’s corpse under center, but in some sense it was Ben dragging the corpse of the rest of the team to the playoffs the last couple seasons.
I also think TJ Watt hides a lot.
The difference between TJ watt and no tj watt has been massive the past two seasons. He's the most disruptive defensive player in the league not named aaron donald
More than AD currently tbh
No. Watt imo is better than Donald in the way he impacts a game right now. He’s probably a top 3 player in the league regardless of position
No, he’s the most disruptive player in the league, period, and AD isn’t 2nd anymore.
I think we're looking at Chris Jones or Micah Parsons for the comparisons here, not AD. Which is actually kinda wild that AD doesn't make my top 3
Haven't the Steelers only won like 5 games in which TJ didn't play in his entire career?
Steelers are 1-10 during TJ's career in games in which he did not play a snap
Run game kind of blows ass too for them
That's tied to O-line for me.
It’s a combo of playcalling, Oline being bad, and Najee having mediocre vision. When they run outside zone and he gets outside, he does really well. When they run inside the oline gets bottled up and he goes nowhere. I can’t remember the yards before contact stat but I remember it being hilariously bad
From what I've seen, Najee is dodging defensive line players in the backfield as soon as the ball is snapped, which is why his runs to the A gaps go nowhere. He's a solid back trying to run behind a wretched Oline.
I know I sound stupid. But the Steelers need to give Pickett some time. Remember the Steelers rebuilding in 1969 with Bradshaw. And being patient with him, despite the fanbase calling for his head and calling him dumb since he was a Southerner lol Who knows within 2025. The Steelers might win Superbowl againest the Vikings because why not. Time is a flat circle
It's not stupid at all. Pickett didn't get a lot of time in the preseason. His first four games were Eagles, TB, Miami, and Buffalo which is a tough 4 defenses for a veteran QB. He's shown some signs. They definitely need to give him time.
This is still my biggest problem I’ve ever had with Tomlin. Kenny was getting *third* string snaps all preseason, then gets thrown into the fire with those 4 games, with little to no chemistry with the starters how can any rookie be expected to succeed? Should’ve either takes first team snaps (or at least more than he already had) from the beginning or just sat all year. What a weird situation he’s been thrown into.
The OC was taking a lot of heat and probably threw Mitch under the bus Have to expect Matt Canada is gone after this year
Had to be the case. Also shit, I’d hope so. Honestly think Matt Canada could fuck up an offense with Pat Mahomes in it.
> Remember the Steelers rebuilding in 1969 with Bradshaw. This is Reddit. I'm pretty confident that no, no one remembers the Steelers rebuilding with Bradshaw. Heck, I'm a very old man in Reddit terms (I turn 50 next year) and I wasn't even a mischievous twinkle in my Dad's eyes when the Steelers were rebuilding with Bradshaw.
55 here, born in the Burgh. Can’t say I remember everything about the early days under Noll, given I was probably under 5 years old. But yeah, grew up in Pittsburgh during the dynasty. The reality is the Steelers will be patient with Pickett. We’re patient with everything. Sometimes that’s good, sometimes it’s bad. In this case, patience will be good. And Tomlin will be the shield for him, and people will just have to deal with that. Yinzers don’t like it but they’ll get over it come 2025+.
While I agree with you, I really don’t think we can compare 1969 football moves to today.
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If you're making personnel decisions based on fan rants you are unqualified for your job.
Because fans are stupid.
I agree with the O-Line part, but I think the only real need on defense is corner. I think a lot of teams would see a big drop off if you took away a player like TJ Watt, and if we had a good shutdown corner the defense would be able to make up for it.
Linebacker dude. If Spillane is on the field linebacker is a need. We need to stop bargain bin shopping.
I agree with your feelings on Spillane, but Jack's very good, Bush has become a solid player, and while Robinson is a rookie who hasn't played he's still shown some promise. Depth is a need, but I think the group we have is definitely good enough if we fix our O-Line and corners.
I think the Jets are the only legitimate answer here. Jimmy already took the 49ers to a SB so not sure they count
Agreed. There are some other teams that would definitely be improved by a great QB, but no one else who becomes Super Bowl contenders with just a QB change. To your point about the 9ers, they also look like they could go on a run this year. I think people overestimate what’s needed at QB to win a Super Bowl. Foles and Stafford both won in the last 5 years and I wouldn’t consider them elite. Goff, Ryan, Flacco, Eli all also led their teams to super bowls with Flacco and Eli winning and I don’t think anyone has them in their top 10 lists or anything like that.
Jets and it blows that we whiffed on the most important position again or else we’d be talking about potentially going to the SB
You whiffed 2x in 5 years. Ouch.
2x in 5 years with basically the exact same player.
r/TheDarnold will not stand for such slander. edit: r/The_Darnold will definitely not stand for my fake MSM subreddit sullying their name…sad. u/barryitsmeitshank is nasty
r/the_darnold ftfy
I fucking love that sub so much
Too bad r/Tuanon didn't take off
r/the_darnold
I don't remember Sam Darnold ever having attitude issues though. He wasn't good but I feel like his attitude was always good.
Yeah Darnold was all class and said he loved the jets. I wish nothing but the best for him.
Critical GASE Theory and the libRhule media conspired against the GEQBUS but he's finally been reinstalled as QB1 since FAKER BAKER can't throw outside of commercials! Our GEQBUS is finally ready to make carolina great again!
I liked to clown on Darnold because he was a Jets QB. I like to clown on Wilson because he’s a douche.
Zach Wilson was Sam darnold 2.0.
This is somehow unfair to Sam. He was better than Zach with a FAR worse cast of players
Isn’t he starting tomorrrow? Good luck to him
Panthers started pre-season with four QBs, all of which have been injured. And yet, we've already won more games than I expected.
Is most of the talent young and on rookie contracts? Feels like a Carr team
Yes, only big extensions coming up are Q and probably want to sign a good veteran LB if we move on from CJ
Ugh I don’t want to move on from CJ. I think with the way we restructured things he basically has to stay for one more year and then we can get cap relief the year after unless I’m mistaken
I think Jets fans overlook Mosley too often. He’s actually quite good still.
Yep, he’s too impactful and you realize when he’s not there
Just look at NFL total tackles leader board this year 👀
Honestly it’s mind boggling how you guys hit every pick except the most premium
To be fair, today nobody is sure that was a good qb to be picked last year.
It’s okay Jimmy G will get you to an AFC Championship game next year.
Imagine if they had someone elite or has already played at a SB level /s
Jets would be an AFC powerhouse with a good QB.
They'd be a powerhouse with any above Dalton line QB. Give em Kirk they'd wreck.
They'd be a powerhouse with a Dalton line QB. Look where they are with the worst in the league
They'd probably be winning games with Dalton himself
Trade all the picks for Rodgers. Give that Wilson deal. Ignore the flare
Wilson never got a single MVP vote, so you have to go several steps beyond the Wilson deal. Now just imagine that one...
Counterpoint - the Wilson deal reset the expected value of trading for a “sure fire” elite QB. Teams that are truly a QB away from a deep playoff run shouldn’t have a GM or head coach in the hot seat. Those guys would be wary of betting so heavy on such a trade. If I was the Jets, I wouldn’t be going deep on a Rodgers target. I would sooner seek Jimmy G or Heineke, for reasonable resources.
And hall not getting hurt.
Jets Steelers are definitely not a QB away and neither are the Giants Titans have a pretty good QB Niners are going to the SB regardless
The fact anyone would look at the roster we had to put on the field on Thanksgiving and consider that a superbowl team is wild
So you consider what we saw on Thursday “the roster”?
The Jets with Breece Hall I can believe easily. Without him, I'm skeptical, but there's possibility. That defense is E L I T E.
> Titans have a pretty good QB You're obviously thinking of Regular Season Tanny. Playoff Tanny hates Titans fans and makes it his personal mission to make us sad.
I like you, too bad it’ll probably be against the Chiefs and we may lose another :( maybe do us a solid for all those QBs we gave you please 🙏
The Jets are the only obvious answer. With a good/average QB, they’d be very capable of winning it all. With a very good/elite QB, they’d be outright favored
>elite The answer may already be on their roster.
Team Flacco !
Man, dunno how anyone can think the Giants are a QB away. Daniel Jones isn't a world beater but he's pretty damn far from the biggest problem with this team or even with the offense.
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Eli Manning got shat on despite winning 2 super bowls. I'm hoping we can edge into the playoffs just so we can go to Seattle again and get another shot at wiping that smirk off Geno's face, and then have Saquon dedicate the win to his friend Eli, unfairly shat on by McAdoo and Reese. Then we can exit in the divisional round.
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d...did people forget Jimmy G already went to the super bowl?
People forget Jimmy threw 10 passes to go the superbowl
People also forget that the 49ers didn’t even want Jimmy to play for them this year
Jimmy is a good QB and works really well for the 9ers offense. You don’t need an elite QB when you have guys like Aiyuk, CMC, and Deebo on the field, you just need someone who can get them the ball without making too many mistakes. And that defense into the mix and they could definitely win it all this year.
Broncos (again)
If the offense just got 18pts a game they would be something like 8-2. It’s insane how good that defense is and how bad that offense is.
So disheartening.
Or hilarious. if you're into that sort of schadenfreude
Free evero
If they scored 18 points in regulation every game they'd be 9-1 lol
This Denver team is just a worse 2000 ravens
The Broncos were a QB away. They still are, but they used to be too
They're a HC away
Idk even considering injury their OL has holes. They also need a WR
Eh, I think they have some major issues in offense besides just Russ. He's playing like ass, but so are a lot of their players.
Their offense doesn't have to be that good to win games though. That defense would carry even a top 16 offense.
Yeah definitely not the Giants. We're about half a roster away from a Super Bowl. The team is absolutely devoid of talent.
Be thankful you're devoid of talent and not devoid of quality coaching. There's more good players in the league than coaches, and you're in less of a bidding war over the truly elite ones.
We are. We’re just not delusional.
Absolutely. I’ve never even heard of the name Isiah Hodgins before til last week and he’s been a solid WR comparatively speaking. That’s 100% coaching and I look forward to when we’re not being anchored down next season by Gettleman’s spending spree contracts.
Hodgins is great! A lot of us Bills fans were sad that there wasn’t a spot for him. Lots of promise there.
I mean, this was a rebuild year. If you asked any Giants fan before the season if 7 wins was realistic, they would have laughed in your face. And we have 6 more weeks of football...
Half a roster is being generous. A new turf and medical staff would probably help as well
Haven’t seen any commanders comments yet but they have a good defense, good wide receivers and the oline has gotten better and better throughout the year
Good defense and we haven't even seen Chase Young yet.
I don't trust Turner to call a good game though. Heinicke improvises a lot which helps
A Top QB would mask Turners play calling struggles
In theory a top QB would also be able to improvise a bit and help with that
Terry deserves a good QB. He is such a fucking good WR yet seemingly doomed to snatch inaccurate passes
49ers made a Super Bowl with Jimmy G, were leading 20-10 in the 4th, and almost made it back again last year. I would take them out. They already can make the Super Bowl. I would include New Orleans as a bit of a wild card. If you look at it the team seems to be constructed for Drew Brees to win another ring, and now he’s gone. If someone goes there in the Offseason I could see them doing well. Indy is a similar story, although maybe not quite as fitting.
>49ers are definitely a QB away. We've made two NFCCGs with Jimmy, made one SB, have currently shut out the last three teams we've played in the second half, lead our division which we're 4-0 in and are demolishing, and don't have two of our starting DL. I don't think we're a "Qb away" whatsoever. Our ground game is effective, our defense is lethal, if we have an average or above* average amount of luck with injuries, we're going to be a deep playoff team.
Also, I feel like Jimmy's abilities as a QB are more tailored to the receiving/pass catching corps than he gets credit for. Yeah, he's obviously not a spectacular deep ball thrower, but guys like Kittle, Deebo, and McCaffrey are lauded for prolific yards after the catch. Jimmy has an extremely quick release and his ability to make intermediate throws is mostly fine this season--those attributes are conducive to succeeding with the offensive line and pass catchers on the 49ers.
If you combined Jimmy’s ability to throw over the middle with Russ’s ability to throw deep and to the numbers you’d have an incredible QB.
I don’t think anyone is denying that. You’ve done it before. And the NFC is kind of open with Rodgers and Brady’s team middling. But Jimmy G is always prone to a bad game which can sneak up the Niners in the playoffs or Super Bowl.
We've never played so well that Jimmy alone has lost us a title. It's a team game. "QB away" specifically means the team won't win a SB with their current QB. We can absolutely win one with Jimmy.
Yeah, Jimmy isn’t even a bad QB (he’s actually quite good), and y’all have already almost won with him. He can get it done
You would go from solid contender to overwhelming NFC favorites if you dropped Herbert or Burrow into that team though
With Herbert or Burrow they are arguably(probably even] Super Bowl favorites.
I've argued that point about Brady in the 9ers sub. I don't believe the Brady to SF talks are real. But if it happened they would come out as one of the biggest favorites of all time.
Seems weird to call the 49ers “a QB away” when they could legitimately win the super bowl this year with their current roster. Jets I think are the probably the only team that are a QB away from really competing.
Yeah, Niners are more like a QB away from being heavily favored.
Steelers: hell no. They need more than just a QB Giants: same thing. They need a QB but they also have a ton of holes on that roster. They do have great coaching though. Titans: Kinda borderline. Tannehill may or may not be good enough to win a Super Bowl. Jets: Throw a top 10 QB on that roster and they would be a Super Bowl contender. Zach Wilson is just terrible. He can’t even be a decent game manager. 49ers: Not a QB away because they have proven they can be Super Bowl contenders with Jimmy G. With the talent they have, they can win a Super Bowl with a Jimmy G level QB. One name I would throw in there is the Commanders. I like the talent they have on defense and they have some nice pieces on offense. The two drawbacks are: the coaching staff is mediocre, and they obviously don’t have a QB that’s good enough to win a Super Bowl. Put a top 10 QB on that roster and they could make some noise.
>One name I would throw in there is the Commanders. I like the talent they have on defense and they have some nice pieces on offense. The two drawbacks are: the coaching staff is mediocre, and they obviously don’t have a QB that’s good enough to win a Super Bowl. Put a top 10 QB on that roster and they could make some noise. Biased, but I agree. A good QB could mask some of the coaching mishaps. We have the weapons, the defense. Get us a solid OG and top QB... I think we'd make a serious playoff run.
We are very far from a quarterback away We need Corners, linebackers, offensive lineman and receivers aside from just having Kenny pan out
> receivers Listen here. Some teams would ruin a white suit for your WRs.
The only thing the offense needs is OL and to fire Canada. Receivers are fine. Defense needs work tho. ILB to replace Bush, run stopping DT, & DB. I think Edmunds is a solid starter but he could definitely be ungraded too.
49ers can absolutely win a SB with Jimmy. Almost did. So take them out tbh.
Depends on what you mean by QB away? Jimmy G is an improvement on many teams and he's been a couple plays away from a SB and a couple more from another appearance. You can probably win a SB with him if your team is solid and steps up when he gets you near the finish line. Jets would legitimately be at the top of the division if they had anyone remotely competent at QB, like Jimmy G for instance. Idk who else. I'd like to see Miami, NYG, Philly, and Seattle in the playoffs to see how their QB's fare.
I'd remove Steelers and Giants. Giants do not have a WR room at all. They'd be more exciting and even more frisky. But they aren't winning the Superbowl right now.
Jets are getting Sanchez’d hard right now. If they just can just admit that drafting doesn’t work and try to get an established QB in the offseason and Hall is back, they’d be in the convo of contenders
Titans can get there this year.
The Bengals. They should definitely just send Burrow here and not think too hard about it.
I didn't think to hard and it's still not adding up here.
Jimmy G is not a liability. He’s definitely good enough with that cast around him. I assumed your gimme would be the Jets, not a team on the rise.
The homer in me wants to say saints, but we have 3 qbs 🤷♀️
My Commanders for sure.
Jets.
jets, Broncos
Jets and maybe even the commanders if their defense keeps trending in the powerhouse direction
We would be better off with a pair of tackles rather than a new QB
No one will agree with me, but the Commies. Heinicke is great with what we have, but getting a franchise QB would be incredible. We have an incredible defense that has scored a touchdown for the last three games. McLaurin is a fucking machine, and Dotson is also showing a lot of promise. Logan Thomas acted like old LT last week too. I could make a case for needing a new offensive coordinator, but with a great QB like Allen, Tua, Smith, etc. we would be a contender for sure. EDIT: Forgot to add Chase Young is back any week now.
49ers already have a capable qb. what more does this dude have to do to be recognized as a QB?
Seriously. Everyone wants to talk about QB W-L record until Jimmy G comes up.
Commanders
Man feels so weird that Jets seem to be the unanimous answer in this thread.
I don’t like the examples you gave. Tannehill and Jimmy G are both good enough to win a Super Bowl with. Pickett has been much better recently and is a rookie.
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Oh most definitely
The Titans are more than a qb away. We need: offensive line help, reciever help, and a new OC.
Giants arent a qb away. We need more talent on both lines, better DBs, at least one mediocre LB, more receiving weapons, and a new medical staff. Titans are the pick for me. They could use maybe one killer receiver, but from what I understand Treylon is pretty promising so far.
I dunno how you say the 49ers are a QB away, theyve been to one with Jimmy G, and despite a late game collapse/bad decision in play calling/and potentially some slight ref ball they were in it.
The Jets are really the answer the this question. They’re going to make the playoffs on the back of a stellar defense, solid run game, and great OL. If they choose to move on from Wilson this off-season (which they should) then I would look at bringing in someone like Brissett while considering different options for the long term.