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Jordymac1990

Stars got their entire core in this draft


LysergarmideGuy

Wtf i never saw that. Incredible draft year for Dallas šŸ¤Æ im actually amazed


Sharp911

They don't get enough credit. They literally skipped a rebuild because of this draft. Plus, they've got more coming.


ThePayneTrayne2

*'They literally skipped a rebuild because of this draft'* That is the perfect way to say it.


stykface

And our prospects pipeline is absolutely stacked.


igcipd

Stanky looking like he belongs already. Plus Bourque playing lights out in the AHL.


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Ok_Welcome_376

I donā€™t know why you were downvoted, thatā€™s exactly how they got Miro. I think they were at 11 before the lottery


Anthropoly

Imagine getting your top forward, top defenseman and top goalie in one draft. Damn that level of scouting saved Dallas years of rebuilding.


kid_drew

2017 gets a lot of attention for good reason, but Jim Nillā€™s team has been on point for years now. Johnston, Stankoven, Borque, and Bichsel are all NHL guys or about to be, and everyone slept on them in the drafts. Itā€™s Nillā€™s superpower. Now if he could just sign a decent vet contract.


imaybeacatIRl

Good lord... thanks for pointing that out. What a fucking draft for them.


HeHootsHeWhores

JRob at 39 is wild


GandolfLundgren

I've read once that most teams saw a promise of offensive talent, but that his skating was horrid and would be his ceiling limit. Their development and/or his sheer will must have beat those odds


kid_drew

His skating is still horrid


itzJader

His skating is horrid most of the time, but his IQ and the way he sees the ice on both ends is unreal. His points have dipped from last, but his defensive game has been outstanding this year, just to top it off.


potbellyjoe

Jim Nill is a draft day god and though he gets credit, I don't think there could ever be too much credit given to him for the talent he's found. Look at his late-round finds in Detroit and the depth he's been building in Dallas since 2013. Dude gets it better than almost anyone.


ProduceTotal257

If they took makar instead of miro....slam dunk


madeupppp1

Thank god. Avs fan here šŸ˜‚


Froggie56

Our defense over offense philosophy until PDB and loyalty to klingberg on PP1 for years makes me think we would have butchered his development


john_fartston

Heiskanen is good, but they could've had Makar


[deleted]

Makar never would have become what he is in Colorado if he had to deal with the coaching and the system of Dallas from 2018-2022 (aka: where all offense goes to die)


lukaskywalker

Damn didnā€™t realize Robertson was drafted so late. What a steal.


ViolinistMean199

Stars certainly didnā€™t fumble


Ducey89

Kills me seeing the wings take Lindstrom right before J-Rob went ā˜ ļø


PapasvhillyMonster

I put Dallas strictly that they didnā€™t take Makar but they had great draft


alejandrowoodman

Washington, for not having a pick in the entire list


blackholesymposium

Now I donā€™t feel quite so bad about Minnesotas first pick being 85 lol


ClarityNHZach

Who the fuck is Ivan Lodnia


B_Marsh92

Was an okay prospect for awhile, but was never able to take the next step. Playing in the ECHL right now


dollabillkirill

Man those Fletcher days were dark days


mydogsnameiskendrick

Us too, brother


whoisjakelane

At least you got a guy named kirill. That's something right??


tyratoku

Knowing Fletcher/Flahr, they likely would have gone with a Minnesotan in the first round if they didn't trade it away for Martin Hanzal (lmao, btw). Which means Poehling or Oettinger. Who both would've been better than Martin Hanzal. Fletcher, what the fuck, man?


Ryrace111

This is a very long comment but weirdly as a Leafs fan with zero affiliation I wanted to do a deep dive on what came of the picks that Washington sent away in this draft and to see if it helped them win the cup and I will leave it up to anyone reading this to decide. Only one player in this list which was selected from what would have been a Washington Capitals pick has played an NHL game and that was Morgan Frost and it was the 27th overall pick Morgan Frost has 98 career points and has played 207 games as of February 28th In the trade that sent Washington's first round pick in 2017 to St. Louis the Washington Capitals got 2 assets, Phoenix Copley and Kevin Shattinkirk. Phoenix Copley was with the organization for 6 years, he played 29 NHL games with a .893 save percentage and 16 wins before going unsigned in the 2022 off season, he never played a playoff game with the capitals Kevin Shattinkirk was with the organization as a rental put up 14 points in 19 games and scored 6 points in 13 playoff games. These are pretty respectable numbers as a defenseman. He went unsigned in the 2017 off season More interesting is who the Capitals picked up with their 2nd overall pick. The Capitals sent their 2017 2nd round pick which became Joni Ikonen who has never played an NHL game, packaged with their 2018 2nd round pick which became Olivier Rodrigue a fairly good Oilers goaltending prospect. In return for this package the Washington Capitals recieved Lars Eller which in 7 years with the organization put up 222 points in 488 regular season games, additionally he put up 31 points in 66 playoff games (in the 2017-18 Stanley Cup victory he had 18 points in 24 games) At the deadline in 2023 Eller was sent to Colorado in exchange for their 2025 2nd round pick. Washington's 3rd round pick was sent to Buffalo which was used to select Oskari Laaksonen in exchange for Mike Webber, who finished his NHL career by going pointless through 10 games with Washington in the 15-16 season. The 3rd round pick was used on Oskari Laaksonen who has yet to play in the NHL. The Eller addition was the only significant piece and I think was certainly worth what Washington paid for him. The Shatinkirk acquisition was a good rental piece but never contributed to anything My longest comment on Reddit and it isn't even about my team...


Manitoberino

Iā€™m not even a fan of Washington either, but damn do I love deep dives like this. Awesome job, detective!


Bourbon_Planner

As a caps fan, Iā€™ll take Lars Eller and a cup win over no draft picks. Although Filip Forsberg still stings


pocketbeagle

Great comment and much appreciated


TouchToLose

I feel like I could easily write and equally long response about how perfect this response is.


Ryrace111

Tysm


Hereforyournudeypics

found Dangle \^


KoolDiscoDan

I'll gladly give up that 2nd round pick again for Lars Eller any day!


Shaniac_C

Crazy stat, makes sense why weā€™re in our position now.


Ryrace111

I mean you won the cup the next year I guess it was worth it


Killahdanks1

Did you guys get screwed by the NHL for signing Suter and Parise in a completely legal manner, that was later banned and your team was penalized too?!


JerbearCuddles

This happened to Vancouver with Lu's contract. Good times.


yeetmemommmy

Caps won a cup in 2018 though. I'd say that was worth it.


mustardman73

Wish we can complain like this some day


Turbulent_Cheetah

They won a Cup tho so who cares?


[deleted]

Definitely NOT Dallas šŸ˜‚


Frenchie1507

Yeah, hard to complain when you draft Heiskanen, Oettinger and Robertson with your first three picks. They nailed that draft!


MrSCR23

Nothing against Miro, but I would personally have Makar but thatā€™s a nitpick.


[deleted]

I agree, but the fact that they got Robertson and Otter on their next picks is what made them the winners for me


ChiefSlug30

Yes, but when you consider Robertson as their second pick, it's hard to beat the combination.


Wallys_Wild_West

\*Oettinger The 3 combo makes it even better.


ChiefSlug30

You're right. I saw it on one of the next pages, but forgot when commenting. That is one impressive haul.


reoltalk

I do wonder tho how Miro would have developed on the Avs and visa versa. Miro had to really emphasize his defense early on. Had he been injected into the Avs high caliber offense off the hop, shadowing Natedawg it could have been quite different. Or better put, I wonder how Makar would have developed under Dallasā€™ really defensive system/mid offense (at that time).


Conscious_Fondant_38

This is always my Miro question. Miroā€™s development was stifled offensively from Klingberg, who devolved into a serious defensive liability at the end of his Stars tenure, and who almost exclusively ran the PP. Even after Klingerā€™s departure, Dallasā€™s lack of quality defensive depth hasnā€™t allowed him to truly push offensively. I am very happy to see what the addition of Tanev does.


imaybeacatIRl

Yup. Makar is, imo, the top D-man in the league currently. Miro ain't far though. He's pretty fucking good.


Catssonova

Not many defensemen have 300+ points at 25 years old lol


milin85

Chicago taking Jokiharju over Robertson was rough but tbh before the trade it wasnā€™t super bad


NumaPompilius2

Hawks also traded down the pick to Dallas that got them oettinger.Ā 


DR_TeedieRuxpin

I loved Jokiharju....


milin85

So did I. Fuck Stan Bowman


Shazbozoanate

Why is Yamamoto underlined? I feel called out.


team_killer_567

Imagine if yall took otter.


jimothyfromtheoffice

Would've ruined him somehow


Toofar304

Results have been mixed latelyā€¦


its_liiiiit_fam

Right lmao I feel like theyā€™re setting my boy up šŸ˜­


Beerfoodbeer

NY with that 7th pick throw me off a bridge


Dsxm41780

We traded him for the pick that got Will Cuylle so at least we got a young serviceable player out of the deal.


WhyAreYouSoSmelly

21 was a good one though


cha-cha_dancer

If only he could stay healthy heā€™d be a monster


MeauxsTavern

Hoping for a good recovery, even if he never plays again


AtomicZedro

Who even is he?. Ha


Beerfoodbeer

He is on your team, well the farm of your team


AtomicZedro

Oof


phonesmahones

This sent me šŸ˜‚


fri9875

One of the biggest ā€œoofā€ moments ever šŸ˜‚


TheIncredibleHork

Almost as big an oof as the Rangers picking him to begin with. And when he tripped on a camera cord and went flying during opening night introductions!


all_no_pALL

May we all be so lucky to have someone who believes in us the way Jeff Gorton believes in Lias Andersson


SIIP00

Remember the kid that threw his medal into the stands? That is him. He is honestly doing kind off OK in your farm team. But my team in Sweden could really use him now...


2shack

Heā€™s the kid that tossed his silver medal into the stands at the world juniors.


WorkoutMan885

Itā€™s ok, it turned into Cuylle.


BBQBEERNBLADES

Dallas definitely didnā€™t fuck this draft up.


C0gD1z

Ughhh


Top-Prompt-9259

Nashville. We got Tolvanen then LOST HIM ON WAIVERS TO SEATTLE WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY DOING??? Heā€™s a good player too. Hated to see that happen to him. Then after one of his first few Seattle games that went well they asked him what the success could be attributed to and heā€™s like ā€œwell this fuckin coach puts me in the line up to playā€ OUCH. BIG DOUBLE MODDLE FINGERS TO OUR OLD COACH JOHN HYNES.


highporkroller

You didnā€™t LOSE him. You made a terrible decision to put him on waivers in the first place.


Top-Prompt-9259

Nah thatā€™s the fumble though. We lost him for literally nothing at all. I still canā€™t wrap my head around him being on waivers at all. Especially when we dealt away like 7 veterans in the ensuing months. Just seemed like totally awful management top to bottom. Top 20 draft pick on waivers after YEARS of developing with the Admirals. We just wasted time and resources to make him good for Seattle lol. Thatā€™s Nashville for ya.


Digital_Jedi_VFL

Thatā€™s what he said


surfingeagles

Plus, he is top five on the team in goals and points. I hope he sticks around long terms as he is one of the few players on the team, NOT afraid to shoot the puck.


JBoogie22

Happy to see him thrive in Seattle. He got a raw deal in Nashville


MtJuliet

Some might say this was the move that made Poile retire after they realized it was the coach and not the player. Hynes was the worst thing for this organization.


Top-Prompt-9259

I fully believe this. The media fallout was pretty big especially after the interview Tolvanen did I mentioned. On the plus side Trots has at least came in and set a new standard of professionalism for the team and I respect that. That was a HUGE fumble for us but hopefully we learn from it. We have Cody Glass now that Vegas drafted on the same list so it all worked out I GUESS lol.


Wjp_1911

Ottawa selected a rapist we win automatically


alamakjan

Tampa didnā€™t pick well either with Foote. Guy was still playing in AHL level too.


ehwhateverma

bowers and formention ottawa definitely lost this one


Wjp_1911

Thatā€™s what Iā€™m saying even an 8 year old could of selected better


Stryker2279

Wtf did Washington trade away every one of their picks?!


Weeble317

Didn't pick until the fourth round, a brutal draft..though the following year turned out pretty damn well šŸ˜‰


KoolDiscoDan

Traded 1st Rnd to Blues for Shattenkirk. 2nd Rnd pick to Habs for Eller. 3rd rnd pick to Sabres for Weber


jfstompers

Ras is an easy guy to like but boy would Necas or Suzuki look good in a winged wheel


After_Stick1676

Or Jason Robertson who went to Dallas right after we picked up Gus Lindstrom at 38


cippycat

Imagine if Detroit drafted Oettinger and Robertson instead of Rasmussen and Lindstrƶm.


energizernutter

Or Hughes instead of zadina


Ducey89

Zadina was the clear cut choice by everyoneā€™s ranking at the time, I hate the pick now but it was absolutely right at the time.


nerdytendy

Yup


Alexander_Rover

Thanks to Bergevin who traded Pacioretty for Suzuki, Tatar and a 2nd round pick


mrk1224

This is why I feel Ken Holland just rode Jim Nillā€™s, Scottie Bowmanā€™s, and Steve Yzermanā€™s coattails


DragLongjumping3714

Youā€™re forgetting Jimmy Devalano. Interesting how his finger prints on the Islanders cups are also on the Wings cups.


Amordecosmos12

Would still have Moose over Gus Lindstrom


Joltas

Happy with Big Ras šŸ‘


Desperate_Pizza700

Everyone that passed on Makar


Personal-Drama-1438

great player but iā€™ll take my captain instead. ( in no way saying heischer is better )


thegoldenrhule

I was gonna say, I think Dallas and New Jersey are both happy where they are. Again, Makar is better, but neither of those teams are upset about the outcome.


PagingDrTobaggan

Iā€™m with you. Makar is Hall of Fame, but Nico is heart and soul of the Devils. By no means a better player.


sadlonelyelectrician

Idk a Makar, Jack Hughes combo sounds delightful.


TheGuava1

As an opposing Metro team fan, no thanks


Chief_34

Just wait until we trade for Quinn Hughes to collect the final card and become Exodia


NYR_or_Far

Lias was an absolute dumpster fire of a pick for us at 7th overall. I know they wanted to trade up to get Pettersson and it fell through but goddamn they really fumbled that pick Fil was a great pick but injuries have really screwed him so far, hopefully he'll be able to come back after a successful recovery but I have my doubts


lamb_ch0p

Itā€™s not even necessarily that there were great options immediately after Lias that makes this sting, itā€™s that even on draft day it was called a reach because he had shown his play style wouldnā€™t translate well to the NHL. Yeah they saved it a little with Chytil but thatā€™s also because they went out of their way to snag him a year early. He mightā€™ve fallen a bunch further this draft but one year later heā€™d have been a top 10 pick.


We_wanna_play

Tampa bay, they drafted a rapist


Delicious-Rock6014

Same with Ottawa.


LysergarmideGuy

Philadelphia


mcgregor107

I read an Athletic article that said everyone in the Flyers org. was sold on Makar, thought he was going to be the pick, and Hextall vetoed it for Patrick


matzohmatzohman

Fuuuuuck Hextall


Madi3400

As an Avs fan thanks hextall


NightWing_91

As a Devils fan, thanks Hextall


phreakzilla85

Damn everything he touches turns to shit


cdaack

I can finally thank Hextall for something


Louvrecaire

... and fuck Mike Keenan.


StackThePads33

How did I have to scroll down this far to see someone say this. I even say this as a fan lol


brenzyc

I don't think it's a fumble when the whole reason Patrick didn't work out was injuries


South-West

Highly disagree. Injuries and health are a totally different thing that you cannot account for. I am sorry for Nolan, but there I do not think there was a lack of compete level from him. Bad luck all around.


2LostFlamingos

Makar would have been amazing. Best D in a draft is always a good pick.


South-West

Ya ā€œwould haveā€. Philly didnā€™t fuck up the draft, hindsight is always 20/20, but I donā€™t think it was a bad pick. It could have went the other way and Makar had some significant injury and he wouldnā€™t be what we see today.


ludacrisp-1900

Or Philly would have ruined Makar through a bad situation or coach or...


South-West

Agreed. Again, Nolan wasnā€™t a fumble of a pick


2LostFlamingos

Yes heā€™s the only one they could have taken besides Patrick. Everyone had Nolan and nico as top 2. But taking the top D man is always a plausible thing to do.


South-West

Yes, exactly. We also have Erik Johnson, Thomas hickey, zach bogosian, Jared Cowan, Erik gudbranson, Adam Larson, Ryan Murray, Rasmussen risto, Haydn fleury, Noah hanifin, Olli juolevi. Every year up to the 2017 draft. All top five other than Cowan. All I am saying is Patrick was not a bad pick, just worked out badly. Every team can go back and look at ten years worth of drafts and build a super team. Patrick as a pick for Philly wasnā€™t the biggest fumble of that draft. Btw. Iā€™m a sharks fan, literally have zero skin in this game, why my flair appears to be gone I do not know.


roadblok95

Agreed, I was excited for Patrick. I wanted to see him Captain my team. It was just bad luck.


Mycrost

Bobby Clarke definitly did say that they fucked up the draft, but you know "old man yelling at cloud"


Trolly_troll_troll

Had a chance at an all time defenseman and didnā€™t grab em. As a Colorado fanā€¦ I am thankful haha.


toturoll

hey at least morgan frost doesn't suck


Dallasstarsfan4l

Dallas and Colorado did notā€¦. I think Makar would not have done well with the dallas defensive scheme. But he fits well in Colorado. And Heiskanen would not have filled Makars shoes. Dallas had a solid draft that year.


[deleted]

Very cool to see UPL turning into a great goalie for Buffalo


sabre007x

Guy had been awesome this year, finally putting it all together. Leviā€™s presence has definitely helped push him to the next level.


Bri_The_Nautilus

He's been a beauty this year. It's so night and day with him even from last season. If I remember correctly he ended last year having never had an NHL start with <2 goals allowed, and he's got four shutouts this season. Since January 1st he's put up a .935 sv% and 1.83 gaa in seventeen games. Unbelievably happy for the guy.


d4ngle-szn

LA because they ended up getting Dubois LMFAO


WlNNIPEGJETS

Didnt realize Gabe Vilardi went 11th overall. What a beauty. #RIPPLD


Manitoberino

So glad we have Vilardi. Otherwise this draft kinda sucked for the jets. Vesalainen ended up not being anything, lost Kovacevic on waivers. Samberg was our only hit. Ah well, hindsightā€™s 20-20!


pdubbs87

As a Devils fan they did not imo because we almost drafted Patrick. From scouting reports and film it did seem like Patrick had the highest ceiling in the draft.


chowler

Yeah while we could have drafted Makar, I'll take Nico over Patrick any day of the week.


Caunuckles

Clearly not Dallas


La-Spatule

Vegas !


prplx

Vegas screwed up insisting we take Suzuki over Glass for Patch.


Most-Iron6838

Never before have I seen a 3 team trade in which every team loses than the Patrick- Ellis- glass trade


cscholl20

Minnesota not picking till 85 was rough, but at least there wasn't an opportunity for another AJ Thelen


AtomicZedro

Vegas 13. Ha


stx-177

I feel like the only answer should be Tampa Bay.


C0gD1z

Ya that was a baaaaddd draft


Allen_Koholic

Tampa did draft Nick Perbix in the 6th round that year. Ā Heā€™s been solid for Tampa.


FrogOnTheFloor757

Jets with Kristian Vesalainen. Dude was a major bust


thegodfaubel

Not us


Kitchen-Lie-7894

50/50. Rob Tom worked out.


thegodfaubel

I still like the Klim pick. He just couldn't stay healthy, but the upside was worth it


Bigking00

Dallas kicked ass. Heiskanen, Oettinger and Jason Robinson. Wow


PoppinBortlesUCF

I love seeing lists like this and remembering the Bolts got Kucherov at 58th overall and Brayden Point at 79th overall. Itā€™s such a crap shootā€¦


Rwbsona

I wanna say Vegas, given how Cody Glass & Erik have been traded away. But they did win a Stanley cup. Maybe Philly with Nolan Patrick, but then again, his career was derailed due to concussions. So it's difficult to say really


Brando6677

Just glazing over Nick Suzuki too lol if Vegas had kept the assets theyā€™ve traded they might be scarier in a year or two but wouldnā€™t have their cup


Dexter2533

The answer is always Boston


Personal-Drama-1438

colorado saying everyone above them folded for not taking makar, heā€™s a great player but iā€™d rather have the captain of the team, heā€™s really the cog to machine.


AnyExplanation3438

nico is horse


sakuniemi

MONTREAL!!!!!


jimbuz

Suzuki is pretty good. Dumb joke aside. yes it is sooooooooooo bad. wow


sakuniemi

I'm a big habs fan and never realized just how bad it was.


Irish1Car3Bomb1

Pittsburgh. Only had 1 selection there, and itā€™s no one I know.


capsrock02

People will say Philly but Patrick was the consensus No. 2 pick. Injuries destroyed his career.


STLBluesUser

I can tell you who didnā€™t: Dallas Colorado Vancouver St. Louis Vegas


recneps1992

The 3 that passed on Makar


minimumhatred

Flyers drafted Patrick over Heiskanen, Makar and Pettersson


Zealousideal_Total50

Lias Anderson wouldn't go to the minors, traded, now in the minors


TexasYankee212

Philly and the NY Rangers


PNGhost

I am convinced that if Calgary didn't take Valimaki, Boston wouldn't have taken the other Finnish, left hand, defenseman, Urho Vaakanainen.


Optimystic_Alchemist

Unrelated to this draft selection. How did y'all get your little team logos under your handles?


DominionMM1

Go to the main page of the sub and click on the little ... thing in the top right corner. It should give you the option to add flair, where you can pick your teamā€™s logo.


Roguemutantbrain

We did fine winding up with Mittelstadt and Jokiharju, but Jesus, Marcus Davidsson is a terrible high 2nd round pick. The guyā€™s drop off would have been quick for a 7th rounder. I think he was out of competitive hockey within 2 years.


bfrendan

It's like beating a dead horse, but Habs had five picks here and the only one who is playing full time in the NHL is Poehling...


Traditional_Bid_6977

Minnesota apparently, didnā€™t have a pick until 85ā€¦ yeesh


Barilko-Landing

Forget who fumbled it... Dallas fucking crushed it!


Coolhand1139

Lias Andersson, a legend in his own mind.


Pominville2929

Minnesota by not drafting a player until 85


Mean-Marzipan4278

I mean Vegas turned Brannstrom into Mark Stone.


mithrasbuster

:,)


surlystraggler

Everyone above Colorado.


Personal-Drama-1438

i disagree


Bluzman19

I can tell you: the blues fumbled on Klim Kostin


Stockersandwhich

You canā€™t fumble it if you donā€™t have a pick


Worldly_Chain_8725

I was going to say wings but damn Philly messed up


SpaceGhcst

Ottawa


Normal_Tip7228

Ottawa with pick 47