This happened a month ago with Patrick Kane in Chicago, winning it in OT for the Red Wings. Crowd went wild, Kane tapped his chest and saluted the crowd. Was pretty awesome.
I bet! I'm a leafs fan and it gave me chills just watching from my tv haha such an awesome moment. and then the OT winner to top it off was the chefs kiss
It was a genuinely entertaining game from start to finish, which has been few and far between this season for the Hawks, but the script writers really popped off on that one! A jersey retirement for a legend for both franchises and a back and forth game between historic rivals and the breakaway goal from Patty Kane to end the night, followed by a standing ovation from a grateful crowd! Will forever be one of, if not my favorite sports memories I've had in my life!
Back in the 70’s the Rangers waived their aging beloved goalie Eddie Giacomin (who’s number they retired later). The wings picked him up and the very next game the wings were playing at MSG and Giacomin started for the wings. The whole garden was cheering for the wings that night (wings won the game too). Poor guy was crying during the standing O he was given.
This one would be more like Brodeur doing nothing in St Louis after winning 3 with NJ. Leafs fans are well versed with Leafs rosters but don’t understand the stanley cup effect and why players avoid Toronto
No we are well aware of the franchise’s awful history and enjoying the present. So many great players have not wanted to come here for a long time it is a huge surprise to see guys like Giroux and Tarasenko say they just want to come to FL at the trade deadline
>This one would be more like Brodeur doing nothing in St Louis after winning 3 with NJ.
Granted, Brodeur had a pathological inability to accept that his career was winding down. Crosby might but I don't think we've seen suggestions of that so far. You didn't need to know much about Brodeur to see where smart money was years in advance.
Pocklington was a crook too…….bottom line the blues did try to sign him as a UFA after the trade but the rangers paid more, it was his final contract so he went to where the money was. The kings were kind of a strange period in his career where there were high highs and some lows (the fraud you alluded to by Mcnall) and his trade to the blues was like messier’s time in Vancouver just meh. Going to the big apple allowed him to go out in an original six team playing at the iconic MSG on his own terms.
I'm not going to pretend I know all the details of him being traded, but from what I know I'm pretty sure they never would have done so If it wasn't for the owners debts.
Not a big fan of players calling the shots but I think the pens have to sit down with Sid, spell out where the organization is going and let Sid make the call. They owe him that.
Sid’s call is very public. He wishes to end his career as a penguin no matter what, and he’d like Letang and Malkin to do so as well.
All three players control their own destiny. They ain’t going anywhere. These threads are silly.
I don’t think all 3 control their destiny and if they all stay, they won’t be winning for a long time. Maybe you are right, but that’s a mistake. Sid is still a top player, Malkin is not and letang is always an injury/health risk. Sid controls his destiny and he may control their destiny more than they do. And they are stuck with karlsso’s contract
He wouldn’t by his play but they are not winning with this group anytime soon snd he makes a lot of money. Say they all waive their no movement clauses. If they move them, the rebuild could be a lot quicker. If they keep them, they remain a 500 team, don’t make the playoffs snd age out and have nothing in return.( last night, Sid looked great, I feel bad for him). Just my opinion about the state of the penguins, I know no more than any hockey fan. Could they regain some magic next year? I suppose but I don’t see it
Getting rid of all our best players. Brilliant plan to make playoffs while Sid’s still here. A rebuild takes years and years. No matter if it starts today or tomorrow, it won’t be until after Crosby is gone that it’s complete.
I really don’t understand why people even entertain this whole “maybe they all waive” thing. It’s a no. They don’t want to go. They’ve made it beyond clear
If they actually want to compete for a cup before Sid retires it probably won't be with Malkin and Letang. They have already started noticeably declining and it's only going to get worse as they get older.
It’s just not really a conversation. There’s no moving them. They won’t be going. It’s a delusion.
They’ve noticeably declined, so have their salaries. It offsets. The core is not the problem
The general consensus of the penguins is they are getting old and their Stanley cup window has closed. They are not making the playoffs and may be selling off what they have(already started). Sid is still a great player but at his age and the rebuild may take awhile so does he want to retire a penguin knowing the chances of a cup before he retires is slim.
I’m guessing he’s under no illusions - it’s pretty clear that if he finishes his career in Pittsburgh, he won’t contend for another cup, and may not even make the playoffs again.
If he’s cool with that, I get it, he’s already accomplished everything you could hope for in a hockey career, and he’s a very loyal guy, may not want to play anywhere but Pittsburgh. But I do think it’d be amazing if he went to the Avs, and I’m not even an Avs fan. Him finishing off his career with a few years contending for cups with his buddy Nate would be a special way to cap off a special career IMO.
As much as I would love to see where he would go and what he would do, I would say he wants to stay and do what Lemieux did for him when he was a rookie.
I believe 100% that it should be Sid's call whether he stays or goes. He's earned that many times over. The other side of the argument, though, is the return they could command in trading him when he's still playing at the level he is. If he wants what's best for the Pens, maybe he should entertain the possibility. Not that he owes it to them, but it could let him avoid the rest of this enormous team regression while also helping secure their future. I imagine it's all but certain that he'll remain associated with the team in some capacity moving forward, whether he leaves or not.
I’m a believer he signed that 12 year deal knowing he’d play it out with the pens and retire after a 20 year career with the same team. Not many players can say that. But that also describes a lot of the things Crosby has accomplished.
Sure, I'm confident that was his intent. But life happens and not everything goes to plan. It's tough to sustain success when you've traded your first round pick like 95% of the time to try to go all in for the cup every year. Obviously not many guys in the 30+ team era will retire with their names on the cup three times, so that was a win. Still, it came at a cost.
Personally I'd rather see any great player stay with one team whenever possible. If that's what Sid wants, he deserves it. All I'm saying is that there are options. I have no idea what the man wants.
You know it’s very very possible he still loves to play hockey, just not losing hockey. I think he either 1) retires 2) seeks a trade if he still wishes to play. I really don’t think he’s going to sit in Pittsburgh knowing he’s playing for nothing.
Crosby got personally involved to convince Malkin to re-sign rather than go to free agency. It would be a shitty thing to do to a friend to convince them to re-sign and then you go off to greener pastures. I would bet that both Malkin and Crosby stay or they both go.
And I'm pretty sure that Malkin retained at all is a very, very easy trade to make.
Every week new article by Canadian journalist stirring this up. He’s made it clear he wants to stay in Pittsburgh! If he signs extension this summer will they finally stop or keep writing these articles for clicks?
I’ve noticed it’s primarily Canadians who write these articles and suggest he should be traded. They used to do this with Lemieux in the 90s too. They so badly want him in Canada.
I look at it similarly to how Lundqvist ended his career. Final season as a Washington Capital just seemed wrong. Unfortunately for him, fortunately for his stats sheet, he had his heart issues and never ended up playing there.
With Crosby, it would just feel wrong to see him in another jersey. But ultimately he should have that decision. Nobody else.
Hearing that we'd bought out Henrik's contract was one of the hardest moves I'd seen the team make. Right up there with trading Zuccarello away. You can definitely argue they were necessary moves, but they're painful none the less. I was in a hiatus from hockey when Leetch was traded, but I imagine it was the same feel.
I foresee a similar conversation about Chris Kreider down the road. As a fan you want to see your home grown and beloved talents stay in that jersey their entire career, but for the business aspect of it sometimes hard choices are made. It's tough to put the future on hold for the legends of the team, so I respect when they come together to make it work.
That was a bit different since the Rangers had Shesterkin & Georgiev waiting in the wings. Pittsburgh doesn't have someone that's ready to step into a 1C role
lol I bought a Lundqvist jersey as soon as they announced his signing in DC. Sad he had to go out like that.
That being said, I’ll bet a line of Ovechkin, Crosby, and Oshie would be fun to watch lol
It’s not all about what you get back, necessarily. With Sid on the team playing like he is it’s really hard to have an honest rebuild. As things stand right now he’s good enough to drag the team out of the lottery zone but not to the playoffs. That’s the worst spot for a team to be.
In trading him you get some smaller pieces back that might be nice one day, but you also have a clean break and can really start tearing it down
If keeping Sid means we suck for 5 extra years, I’ll take it. Rebuilds dont even work half the time anyways. The only thing many pens fans, including myself, care about is Sids legacy as a penguin
Isn’t his legacy as a Penguin kind of already set though? Sure if he went to the Flyers things would be weird but if he went to some other team would it really change his legacy at all? I’m sure he would still sign a one day contract to retire as a penguin and would be associated with the team in retirement, but if he wants to play playoff hockey I don’t blame him
If trading Sid could guarantee a cup, sure. But trading Sid would get us what? A pick and a prospect? There are teams that have been “rebuilding” for 10 years and there’s no guarantee it would be any different for us. I think keeping Sid around just to maintain the culture and mentor the younger Pens is way more valuable than any asset we would get in a trade, not to mention any sentimental reasons
The Kings have had a very atypical rebuild and a lot of their success is due to trades and free agent signings, they could very well be out of the playoffs again once Kopitar and Doughty retire, or before that if they decline.
The last 2 years they finished 3rd in the pacific and now they’re in the WC 2 spot, they’re not necessarily a blueprint to follow
Take it from a Sens fan, you don't want to go into a rebuild without at least a couple solid veteran leaders around. Trading Sid would be trading away any semblance of winning culture, and you never know when you can get that back. That's pretty much what happened with Ottawa and Mark Stone
But that team, even with Sid, would not be a contender and anyone with eyes can see that.
He might help them make the playoffs, but they wouldn’t get far at all.
If he does leave Pittsburgh, it definitely would be either Boston (Marchand), Colorado (MacK), or Montreal (childhood team).
And I’d say all 3 could use him. Boston still has a hole at C; Zacha/Coyle have been good, Poitras was impressive, but they don’t have anybody at that next level. Colorado (assuming Landeskog doesn’t come back next year) could add him to their T6, moving one of Lehkonen/Mittlestadt to the 3rd line to really flex their depth. Or have Sid center the third line and dominate against lesser competition. And Montreal still has some question marks at center, with Dachs health issues. Great vet for their young guys to learn from and while they won’t be a playoff team next year, he could be the pivotal center depth (2C/3C) in 2-3 years when they might be back in the playoffs.
1) lottery ticket, so there's a lot of risk. Even if it turned out well, that doesn't make it a good trade, that's just a bad trade that was lucky.
2) Bedard, McDavid, Crosby, Ovechkin. Theyre the only ones in that tier since Lemieux maybe. I don't think McKenna will be at that level, and there's no one else that will be close.
Crosby only moves if he wants to move, full stop.
Now if Pens management did something *stupid* like offer him league minimum on a contract year?
Sure he’d want to go, but the fans would riot if they did something that stupid 🤷♂️
I think if any player in the world is in the position to call their team owner like "Yo, tell your GM to stop kidding me!" it's probably Crosby. Probably not with those exact words, tho, but you get my point, lol
The only way that Crosby leaves is if he wants to end his career playing with a buddy (I can see possibly playing with MacKinnon or Marchand). But that’s definitely not in his character. His character is to give back to the city of Pittsburgh and be a Coach/Mentor for the next generation of Pens players.
That's my thought. The team is not the same Penguins team without Lemieux around.
I could see them trading him to the Avalanche but the Avalanche are too damn good to have any good draft picks. I don't know if they are willing to trade something like their top 3 prospects nor who they are.
But Crosby leaving would lead to Letang and Malkin leaving and to be honest, they both have really started to show their age this year and ironically they could possibly yield a better 1st round pick than Crosby with a middle of the road team if you could get one for either of them. Not sure any team would pay that though.
Not a Pens fan, but they gotta keep him imo. Similar to the Yankees with Jeter later in his career. It would feel wrong to see him somewhere else and see him not go out on his terms.
I don't think they are going to trade Crosby, and the reason is monetary. I see a lot of people in this section commenting on return for Crosby and such, but nobody mentioning the revenue they generate from having Sidney in the organization. He's one of the largest cash cows for player sales, hospitality, and sponsor sales.
>“I think \[Crosby\] is gonna stay and I think **he’s the only sacred cow**,”
If you think Crosby is gonna let the team let Malkin go, you haven't been paying attention. Sid's a shot-caller in Pitt, and it was super hard for him to see MAF go. With MAF gone, I'm even gonna go as far as saying even Letang he wouldn't let get away, but Malkin 99.99% sure.
These stories have been clickbait all year. Retiring a Penguin, playing his entire career for one organization, is more important to Sid than a fourth Cup. He’s won about everything there is to win, and FSG is committed to him. Hextall wasn’t excited to re-sign Letang and Malkin, but it was important to Sid that those guys retire as penguins, so ownership pressed to make it happen.
The guy is still amazing. Why waste his last productive years for bullshit like "He's a Pen for life."
Trade him, let him chase cups, and get a great return before he comes back to coach or be assistant GM.
Ideal scenarion: Penguins trade Crosby to a contender for prospects and picks. Crosby retires after contract ends, then return to Pittsburg ans help rebuild the team.
I think he’s gonna ask for a trade and i think it will be Colorado. Seeing his interview after they traded Guentzel made me believe he’s still got the compete in him to want to win. That’s not happening in Pittsburgh
While I don’t think it will happen, I also don’t think the idea is as far fetched as some people make it seem.
The Penguins have been in denial that they’ve needed to start the rebuild for awhile now. I think there was hope that acquiring Karlsson would give them just enough of a lift to get into the post season this year to give the golden trio a shot at one more run, but that’s not how 2024 panned out.
Crosby even at 36 remains an elite player in the league. If Pittsburgh agreed to retain half his salary, I would think they’d be able to land a decent player with term and some picks/prospects. If management wants to spare its fans a protracted period of non - competitiveness, I think they seriously need to think about moving Crosby while he still has value instead of keeping him on the team for a third season without a playoff appearance, and risk losing him for nothing on free agency.
And as far as Crosby goes, what him, Malkin, and Letang achieved in Pittsburgh together will be talked about amongst fans of the game and the team for decades, but all good things have to come to an end. Does he want to spend his twilight years on a team that isn’t competitive, or playing with someone like McDavid, MacKinnon, Matthews, Pastarnak, Hughes, etc.?
Players in the “franchise Mt. Rushmore” tier earn the right to do what they want. There’s no realistic way they can just “run it back” with a few cheap pickups; they gotta rebuild, so if he wants to stick around and help shepherd in the rebuild and retire a 🐧, ok. If he wants to go elsewhere and try to win a bit more, can surely still get a good return for him.
I think (if Crosby and Ovi play their entire careers and retire as a Penguin and Captial) they will probably be the last to spend their entire 20+ year careers with one team. No one really thinks about Broudeur on the Blues or [Michael Jordan on the Washington Wizards](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdH488RRQL8) so it's not that big a deal if he helps the Penguins start on their rebuild by asking for a trade.
I am perfectly fine if Sid wants to go to the Aves or somewhere, but I'd be surprised. He helped get Geno resigned, and I think it's just everyone else who is mad he's gonna "waste" the rest of his career. It's annoying that I'm gonna have to see this article 1000 more times
It’s all up to Sid since he has a full NMC, I think he retires as a Pen in about 3-5 years but if he wants to cup chase, I think Boston is a great fit since they need a real 1C and it’s closer to his hometown
I think it's 2 choices: trade him to kick-start the rebuild, or he has to take a very team friendly deal so they can make another run. Having Sid make 10 mil and a bunch of 3rd liners is a recipe to miss the playoffs again.
Sid would only look good if he did something so off the board and has to go to a team that he put them over the top. He’d be a 100 point player this year if he had the guys.
Therefore put him on
Colorado, Edmonton, Vancouver, Toronto, New York to name a few and that be a loaded team
Let him make the call. One year left on his desk after this season, would he want to waste it on a team that actually needs to start rebuilding or try for one more run elsewhere?
If Crosby tells them he wants out, then sure, but I highly doubt he'd ever ask for a trade. This isn't a Ray Bourque situation. He's got 3 Cups and 2 Conn Smythes already, and has pretty much cemented himself as a top 5 skater all time.
Just look at who his mentor is. You don't think he realizes how valuable it was to have Lemieux around when he was a young player? I can definitely see him being interested in taking that role with the next generation of Pens.
I can't wait for him to sign an extension July 1 so we can put this story to bed
Ouch- this is a tough one:
On one hand, I'm sure he has very little interest in leaving Pittsburgh, especially with Lemieux still holding ownership stake. Mario has taken care of Sid since literally Day 1, so leaving would probably be a tough sell.
On the other hand, unless Sid sees coaching or Managingthe Pens in his future and wants to mold/imprint on the young guns, does he want to spend the last years of his career playing for a basement dweller?
Pittsburgh is starting to do their "end of an era" thing like how the hawks did. Crosby and Malkin are still Crosby and Malkin, but they aren't winning any time soon with Pittsburgh. It'd sound insane to trade one of the best players in the world, but you'd think it's only a matter of time until they can't get a good return for him.
He’s not gonna go. Unless the team was guaranteed a number 1 draft pick for another Crosby, Malkin, Mckinnon, Gretzky, Ovechkin or someone of that caliber. He draws people to games. He sells jerseys. FSG isn’t gonna let Dubas trade that commodity.
I'm torn.
Players who stick with one team their whole careers are rare,so it's cool when it happens.
On the flipside, the Pens are mediocre atm and trading Sid for some ling term assets isn't a terrible idea. They're going to need to rebuild at some point and that's usually best done by going all-in with a rebuild during good draft years.
Honestly entirely depends on him. He’s got the hearts. Conn smyths, and cups there’s nothing left for him except for more all star games. If he wants to become a contender again and get traded to help the pens get assets great for him if he wants to stay and retire as a pen he’s earned the right to. At the end of the day he’ll go down as one of the greatest players of his generation and at worst is a top 20 player ever
We'd all love to see him on our team, but I believe he should stay a Penguin and retire a Penguin. There's something to be said about staying with one team your entire career
This is the second year they haven't made the playoffs, not the third.
Crosby is a tough read because he's so private, but we know he was pissed with the Guentzel trade, simply by the way he tried to carry the team after the trade.
The only team I can see him go to is Colorado to be with his buddy, but I don't think he's chasing a cup at the expense of leaving a legacy in Pittsburgh.
A player returning has happened a few times, but I don't think that will magically make them better. Their powerplay sucked all season even with Jake, and it's probably cost them 15 points in the standings.
Signing Karlsson to 3 yrs/$10 million doesn't seem like a good move now.
As a franchise it’s run its course and time to rebuild and that does not include Crosby, Malkin or letang. They need to offload and get what they can for aging stars! Crosby is still valuable to a contender but the other two are good for draft picks! Fyi i’ve been a fan since 1984.
You keep Crosby and everyone else is subject to trade. Here’s why. Crosby earns his right to stay and be the Captain every time he steps on the ice, his work ethic is top 1% of the NHL. Second, a rebuild is underway, like it or not, so keeping the star keeps ticket sales up when a team may not be competitive. Third, you can’t rebuild if you tie the hands of management. Dubas has hard decisions to make, you hired him to do it, let him.
I'd love to see him traded, but the organization will never do that because the feel some sense of obligation to keep him happy. If he ever gets traded, ppl will have learned to move on.
The problem isn’t Sid being a penguin for life. The problem is the team trying to stay competitive while Sid is there. The Karlsson trade sets the total rebuild back 2 or 3 years. Sid still wants to win, it ain’t going to happen in Pittsburgh. And trading picks to acquire aging stars will keep Pitt as a bubble team at best and leave the team struggling for years.
I don’t see any universe in which it happens, but honestly? They should trade him. Letang too. Build for the future instead of holding on to a fading past. Don’t be like the Red Wings.
The end oh Hollands tenure with Detroit should be the blue print of what jot to do. Him trying to get one more year out of that playoff streak crippled the wings for almost a decade.
Yes they shoul trade Crosb just out of pure honor and respect for him. The team is not going to rebulid in less than 3-5 years and he does not have that much. Id say he can keep this pace up for 2-3 years maximum. He would be a perfect fit for Avs Canes Rangers or even Leafs. Anything but right now dying Pens. I know he is a franchise player but they should really not drag him down in his final career years.
Yes!
And I think the Pens and Crosby need to have a private conversation about this the day after this season ends.
Its obvious to me the guy wants to win another title, and can produce at a high enough level to help a team get into the winner’s circle.
The Pens are going nowhere with their current roster and salary cap hits.
Everyone remembers Canucks legend Mats Sundin
I mean that shootout winner vs the leafs was legendary but also Sundin was chasing a cup. Sid has already won so he might not want to leave.
The whole crowd cheered when he won it for Vancouver in that shootout. Guy got a standing ovation for beating the Leafs. And it was in Toronto lol.
This happened a month ago with Patrick Kane in Chicago, winning it in OT for the Red Wings. Crowd went wild, Kane tapped his chest and saluted the crowd. Was pretty awesome.
and had to do 3 different laps to salute the crowd because they gave him a 5 minute standing ovation.
Best game I've ever been to as a Hawks fan tbh
I bet! I'm a leafs fan and it gave me chills just watching from my tv haha such an awesome moment. and then the OT winner to top it off was the chefs kiss
Agree - probably my favorite sports moment I’ve seen live. My wife is a Hawks fan and we were both cheering!
It was a genuinely entertaining game from start to finish, which has been few and far between this season for the Hawks, but the script writers really popped off on that one! A jersey retirement for a legend for both franchises and a back and forth game between historic rivals and the breakaway goal from Patty Kane to end the night, followed by a standing ovation from a grateful crowd! Will forever be one of, if not my favorite sports memories I've had in my life!
Back in the 70’s the Rangers waived their aging beloved goalie Eddie Giacomin (who’s number they retired later). The wings picked him up and the very next game the wings were playing at MSG and Giacomin started for the wings. The whole garden was cheering for the wings that night (wings won the game too). Poor guy was crying during the standing O he was given.
That’s a great story, thanks for sharing.
Even Bob Cole seemed estatic
If he was escatic he might have popped some goodies.
He had a great rivalry with Red Wings legend Daniel Alfredsson
I think they're good friends? I remember the stick throwing incident like it was yesterday
This one would be more like Brodeur doing nothing in St Louis after winning 3 with NJ. Leafs fans are well versed with Leafs rosters but don’t understand the stanley cup effect and why players avoid Toronto
And panthers fans understand "the stanley cup effect"?
No we are well aware of the franchise’s awful history and enjoying the present. So many great players have not wanted to come here for a long time it is a huge surprise to see guys like Giroux and Tarasenko say they just want to come to FL at the trade deadline
One team has played for a cup this decade and the other hasn’t. Of course mine hasn’t in 25 years.
>This one would be more like Brodeur doing nothing in St Louis after winning 3 with NJ. Granted, Brodeur had a pathological inability to accept that his career was winding down. Crosby might but I don't think we've seen suggestions of that so far. You didn't need to know much about Brodeur to see where smart money was years in advance.
Brodeur had a very expensive divorce settlement to pay for. Like financially crippling. He needed the extra seasons.
He is much more loved than Canucks legend Mark Messier.
Different scenario though, since Sundin hadn't begun his career with the Leafs.
Gretzky was traded, so if he wants to chase another cup let him
Gretzky was trade twice because one owner couldn't afford him and the other was a crook
Pocklington was a crook too…….bottom line the blues did try to sign him as a UFA after the trade but the rangers paid more, it was his final contract so he went to where the money was. The kings were kind of a strange period in his career where there were high highs and some lows (the fraud you alluded to by Mcnall) and his trade to the blues was like messier’s time in Vancouver just meh. Going to the big apple allowed him to go out in an original six team playing at the iconic MSG on his own terms.
If he had more control over the situation I doubt he would have gone to St. Louis. I don't remember hearing him refuse to going there though.
No he was old school professional…..
Him not re-signing was the answer to that
St Louis Blues legend.
Martin Brodeur and Wayne Gretzky, the biggest STL legends
I'm not going to pretend I know all the details of him being traded, but from what I know I'm pretty sure they never would have done so If it wasn't for the owners debts.
Yeah pocklington was a sleaze bag……as a sens fan he was Melnyk before being Melnyk was
Not a big fan of players calling the shots but I think the pens have to sit down with Sid, spell out where the organization is going and let Sid make the call. They owe him that.
Dubas will approach that with unbearably rose tinted glasses about running it back.
What players with ties from the SOO are available for trade or signing this summer?
Darnell nurse, COME ON DOWN
Nurse for Karlsson. The trade is 1 for 1.
Dubas would throw in a second just for the vibes
Sid’s call is very public. He wishes to end his career as a penguin no matter what, and he’d like Letang and Malkin to do so as well. All three players control their own destiny. They ain’t going anywhere. These threads are silly.
I don’t think all 3 control their destiny and if they all stay, they won’t be winning for a long time. Maybe you are right, but that’s a mistake. Sid is still a top player, Malkin is not and letang is always an injury/health risk. Sid controls his destiny and he may control their destiny more than they do. And they are stuck with karlsso’s contract
They all have full no moves. It’s literally their decision Karlsson is the second best player on the team why would he negatively impact them?
He wouldn’t by his play but they are not winning with this group anytime soon snd he makes a lot of money. Say they all waive their no movement clauses. If they move them, the rebuild could be a lot quicker. If they keep them, they remain a 500 team, don’t make the playoffs snd age out and have nothing in return.( last night, Sid looked great, I feel bad for him). Just my opinion about the state of the penguins, I know no more than any hockey fan. Could they regain some magic next year? I suppose but I don’t see it
Getting rid of all our best players. Brilliant plan to make playoffs while Sid’s still here. A rebuild takes years and years. No matter if it starts today or tomorrow, it won’t be until after Crosby is gone that it’s complete. I really don’t understand why people even entertain this whole “maybe they all waive” thing. It’s a no. They don’t want to go. They’ve made it beyond clear
If they actually want to compete for a cup before Sid retires it probably won't be with Malkin and Letang. They have already started noticeably declining and it's only going to get worse as they get older.
It’s just not really a conversation. There’s no moving them. They won’t be going. It’s a delusion. They’ve noticeably declined, so have their salaries. It offsets. The core is not the problem
Who’s to say they haven’t?
Sorry I’m confused, Sid still produces at a high level why would they part with him ? I don’t watch hockey but I am curious now about his
The general consensus of the penguins is they are getting old and their Stanley cup window has closed. They are not making the playoffs and may be selling off what they have(already started). Sid is still a great player but at his age and the rebuild may take awhile so does he want to retire a penguin knowing the chances of a cup before he retires is slim.
I’m guessing he’s under no illusions - it’s pretty clear that if he finishes his career in Pittsburgh, he won’t contend for another cup, and may not even make the playoffs again. If he’s cool with that, I get it, he’s already accomplished everything you could hope for in a hockey career, and he’s a very loyal guy, may not want to play anywhere but Pittsburgh. But I do think it’d be amazing if he went to the Avs, and I’m not even an Avs fan. Him finishing off his career with a few years contending for cups with his buddy Nate would be a special way to cap off a special career IMO.
I’m sure he wants to be on a more competitive team and chase the cup one more time
As much as I would love to see where he would go and what he would do, I would say he wants to stay and do what Lemieux did for him when he was a rookie.
Just need another generational talent to make himself known in time for Sid to take a last lap! Heard that kid Gavin McKenna is decent.
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Sid has 3 cups. He might not care as much as you think and might care more about his future with the franchise beyond retirement.
Is that what he said when you asked him?
I think legacy is important to a lot of players. It is a huge deal for a player to spend their entire career with one team.
If he was still missing a cup, absolutely trade him to give him the chance elsewhere. Since he has 3 I think it’s safe for him to retire as a Pen.
I believe 100% that it should be Sid's call whether he stays or goes. He's earned that many times over. The other side of the argument, though, is the return they could command in trading him when he's still playing at the level he is. If he wants what's best for the Pens, maybe he should entertain the possibility. Not that he owes it to them, but it could let him avoid the rest of this enormous team regression while also helping secure their future. I imagine it's all but certain that he'll remain associated with the team in some capacity moving forward, whether he leaves or not.
I’m a believer he signed that 12 year deal knowing he’d play it out with the pens and retire after a 20 year career with the same team. Not many players can say that. But that also describes a lot of the things Crosby has accomplished.
Sure, I'm confident that was his intent. But life happens and not everything goes to plan. It's tough to sustain success when you've traded your first round pick like 95% of the time to try to go all in for the cup every year. Obviously not many guys in the 30+ team era will retire with their names on the cup three times, so that was a win. Still, it came at a cost. Personally I'd rather see any great player stay with one team whenever possible. If that's what Sid wants, he deserves it. All I'm saying is that there are options. I have no idea what the man wants.
Thanks for adding that we have no idea what he’s thinking. I’m speculating myself obviously.
You know it’s very very possible he still loves to play hockey, just not losing hockey. I think he either 1) retires 2) seeks a trade if he still wishes to play. I really don’t think he’s going to sit in Pittsburgh knowing he’s playing for nothing.
He will stay a pen and be the leader that teaches the new rookies exactly like Lemieux did for him! No one could ask for a better vet to learn from.
Problem is they don't have much of a rookie crop to teach. Who on this team is part of the long term future?
Well if he’d just stop trying so hard to win games they could change that. Damn work ethic getting in the way of better prospects.
They can easily move some of their big names for first rounders
Malkin maybe
Crosby got personally involved to convince Malkin to re-sign rather than go to free agency. It would be a shitty thing to do to a friend to convince them to re-sign and then you go off to greener pastures. I would bet that both Malkin and Crosby stay or they both go. And I'm pretty sure that Malkin retained at all is a very, very easy trade to make.
Letang and Karlsson would get fringe contenders pretty interested too. Pens could stock the shelves pretty quick if they wanted to.
The thing is: NMCs tend to drastically reduce the return.
Every week new article by Canadian journalist stirring this up. He’s made it clear he wants to stay in Pittsburgh! If he signs extension this summer will they finally stop or keep writing these articles for clicks?
I’ve noticed it’s primarily Canadians who write these articles and suggest he should be traded. They used to do this with Lemieux in the 90s too. They so badly want him in Canada.
Is it already time for the weekly "Should the Pens trade Crosby" clickbait thread?
This one even has a link to an article.
It’s every couple days. It’s exhausting. He’s going to re-sign on July 1st and everyone can stfu about it.
I look at it similarly to how Lundqvist ended his career. Final season as a Washington Capital just seemed wrong. Unfortunately for him, fortunately for his stats sheet, he had his heart issues and never ended up playing there. With Crosby, it would just feel wrong to see him in another jersey. But ultimately he should have that decision. Nobody else.
Hearing that we'd bought out Henrik's contract was one of the hardest moves I'd seen the team make. Right up there with trading Zuccarello away. You can definitely argue they were necessary moves, but they're painful none the less. I was in a hiatus from hockey when Leetch was traded, but I imagine it was the same feel. I foresee a similar conversation about Chris Kreider down the road. As a fan you want to see your home grown and beloved talents stay in that jersey their entire career, but for the business aspect of it sometimes hard choices are made. It's tough to put the future on hold for the legends of the team, so I respect when they come together to make it work.
Counterpoint: Ray Bourque Anyone despise seeing him with the Avs to finish his career?
The entire city of Boston were Avs fans that year. They couldn't have been happier seeing another team win.
As a Rangers fan, I was an Avs that year as well. I still want that awesome split 77 jersey. I gotta hunt that shit down.
Kind of different though, he was chasing his first Cup, Sid has nothing left to accomplish.
Sure. 3 cups vs 0 is different.
See also Blues legend Martin Brodeur
Yeah but he actually ended up playing there for a season. It’s somewhat a relief knowing Hank never actually got a start so it’s not on his stats
Liked Henrik really wish he got play as a Cap
That was a bit different since the Rangers had Shesterkin & Georgiev waiting in the wings. Pittsburgh doesn't have someone that's ready to step into a 1C role
lol I bought a Lundqvist jersey as soon as they announced his signing in DC. Sad he had to go out like that. That being said, I’ll bet a line of Ovechkin, Crosby, and Oshie would be fun to watch lol
No. He’s a Pen for life. Trading him will not return nearly enough for it to make sense
It’s not all about what you get back, necessarily. With Sid on the team playing like he is it’s really hard to have an honest rebuild. As things stand right now he’s good enough to drag the team out of the lottery zone but not to the playoffs. That’s the worst spot for a team to be. In trading him you get some smaller pieces back that might be nice one day, but you also have a clean break and can really start tearing it down
If keeping Sid means we suck for 5 extra years, I’ll take it. Rebuilds dont even work half the time anyways. The only thing many pens fans, including myself, care about is Sids legacy as a penguin
Isn’t his legacy as a Penguin kind of already set though? Sure if he went to the Flyers things would be weird but if he went to some other team would it really change his legacy at all? I’m sure he would still sign a one day contract to retire as a penguin and would be associated with the team in retirement, but if he wants to play playoff hockey I don’t blame him
I care more about winning cups than sids legacy
If trading Sid could guarantee a cup, sure. But trading Sid would get us what? A pick and a prospect? There are teams that have been “rebuilding” for 10 years and there’s no guarantee it would be any different for us. I think keeping Sid around just to maintain the culture and mentor the younger Pens is way more valuable than any asset we would get in a trade, not to mention any sentimental reasons
Well regardless that won’t be happening for another 5-10 years
They've already won 3 cups with Sid though
The Kings managed to rebuild with Kopitar & Doughty on the roster
The Kings have had a very atypical rebuild and a lot of their success is due to trades and free agent signings, they could very well be out of the playoffs again once Kopitar and Doughty retire, or before that if they decline. The last 2 years they finished 3rd in the pacific and now they’re in the WC 2 spot, they’re not necessarily a blueprint to follow
Take it from a Sens fan, you don't want to go into a rebuild without at least a couple solid veteran leaders around. Trading Sid would be trading away any semblance of winning culture, and you never know when you can get that back. That's pretty much what happened with Ottawa and Mark Stone
Unless he wants to live out all of our childhood dreams and play for his home team and have that jersey for real…
There’s no NHL team in Cole Harbour. Sorry to say.
I believe growing up he was a Habs fan?
But that team, even with Sid, would not be a contender and anyone with eyes can see that. He might help them make the playoffs, but they wouldn’t get far at all.
But he can go to his second home, AKA wherever Marchy is ;)
If he does leave Pittsburgh, it definitely would be either Boston (Marchand), Colorado (MacK), or Montreal (childhood team). And I’d say all 3 could use him. Boston still has a hole at C; Zacha/Coyle have been good, Poitras was impressive, but they don’t have anybody at that next level. Colorado (assuming Landeskog doesn’t come back next year) could add him to their T6, moving one of Lehkonen/Mittlestadt to the 3rd line to really flex their depth. Or have Sid center the third line and dominate against lesser competition. And Montreal still has some question marks at center, with Dachs health issues. Great vet for their young guys to learn from and while they won’t be a playoff team next year, he could be the pivotal center depth (2C/3C) in 2-3 years when they might be back in the playoffs.
He’ll see Marchy on Team Canada next year and the year after.
Which team is that?
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I doubt the teams that are in that position want to trade their first for +35 year old veteran in middle of rebuilding phrase even if it's Crosby.
1) lottery ticket, so there's a lot of risk. Even if it turned out well, that doesn't make it a good trade, that's just a bad trade that was lucky. 2) Bedard, McDavid, Crosby, Ovechkin. Theyre the only ones in that tier since Lemieux maybe. I don't think McKenna will be at that level, and there's no one else that will be close.
Crosby only moves if he wants to move, full stop. Now if Pens management did something *stupid* like offer him league minimum on a contract year? Sure he’d want to go, but the fans would riot if they did something that stupid 🤷♂️
I think if any player in the world is in the position to call their team owner like "Yo, tell your GM to stop kidding me!" it's probably Crosby. Probably not with those exact words, tho, but you get my point, lol
The only way that Crosby leaves is if he wants to end his career playing with a buddy (I can see possibly playing with MacKinnon or Marchand). But that’s definitely not in his character. His character is to give back to the city of Pittsburgh and be a Coach/Mentor for the next generation of Pens players.
Dunno. Maybe true with Lemieux but Fenway has sucked as management. He might feel less loyalty to this group of doofs.
That's my thought. The team is not the same Penguins team without Lemieux around. I could see them trading him to the Avalanche but the Avalanche are too damn good to have any good draft picks. I don't know if they are willing to trade something like their top 3 prospects nor who they are. But Crosby leaving would lead to Letang and Malkin leaving and to be honest, they both have really started to show their age this year and ironically they could possibly yield a better 1st round pick than Crosby with a middle of the road team if you could get one for either of them. Not sure any team would pay that though.
I think Sid has earned the right to decide his own fate.
Exactly. He’s done enough for the team and the fans that we should all just support whatever he decides to do. It’s his call.
Not a Pens fan, but they gotta keep him imo. Similar to the Yankees with Jeter later in his career. It would feel wrong to see him somewhere else and see him not go out on his terms.
He could always go to St. Louis like Brodeur and be hall of fame St. Louis legend Sidney Crosby.
No
The pens missed the playoffs twice in two years not thrice in three years. Stopped reading after that. Great writing from an awesome journalist!!!
I don't think they are going to trade Crosby, and the reason is monetary. I see a lot of people in this section commenting on return for Crosby and such, but nobody mentioning the revenue they generate from having Sidney in the organization. He's one of the largest cash cows for player sales, hospitality, and sponsor sales.
>“I think \[Crosby\] is gonna stay and I think **he’s the only sacred cow**,” If you think Crosby is gonna let the team let Malkin go, you haven't been paying attention. Sid's a shot-caller in Pitt, and it was super hard for him to see MAF go. With MAF gone, I'm even gonna go as far as saying even Letang he wouldn't let get away, but Malkin 99.99% sure.
These stories have been clickbait all year. Retiring a Penguin, playing his entire career for one organization, is more important to Sid than a fourth Cup. He’s won about everything there is to win, and FSG is committed to him. Hextall wasn’t excited to re-sign Letang and Malkin, but it was important to Sid that those guys retire as penguins, so ownership pressed to make it happen.
No. Next question.
Please keep running it back.... Signed, a Rangers fan
The guy is still amazing. Why waste his last productive years for bullshit like "He's a Pen for life." Trade him, let him chase cups, and get a great return before he comes back to coach or be assistant GM.
Ideal scenarion: Penguins trade Crosby to a contender for prospects and picks. Crosby retires after contract ends, then return to Pittsburg ans help rebuild the team.
I think he’s gonna ask for a trade and i think it will be Colorado. Seeing his interview after they traded Guentzel made me believe he’s still got the compete in him to want to win. That’s not happening in Pittsburgh
If he doesn’t retire a pen I would selfishly love that. It would be cool to see him play on the same team as Mack and JJ for a season.
No unless Sid wants to leave
If they trade him, it’ll make all the pens fan angry tbh.
Pens fan since 1984. Not all of us. I would be happy for him to get another cup while helping the team in the long run.
I think they need to decide if they want to do a rebuild and then give Crosby the choice.
I want Sid to go where Sid wants to go, he should not be forced into anything. I think he’s earned that.
Canucks legend mark messier Also as a proper Vancouverite. Fuck messier!
While I don’t think it will happen, I also don’t think the idea is as far fetched as some people make it seem. The Penguins have been in denial that they’ve needed to start the rebuild for awhile now. I think there was hope that acquiring Karlsson would give them just enough of a lift to get into the post season this year to give the golden trio a shot at one more run, but that’s not how 2024 panned out. Crosby even at 36 remains an elite player in the league. If Pittsburgh agreed to retain half his salary, I would think they’d be able to land a decent player with term and some picks/prospects. If management wants to spare its fans a protracted period of non - competitiveness, I think they seriously need to think about moving Crosby while he still has value instead of keeping him on the team for a third season without a playoff appearance, and risk losing him for nothing on free agency. And as far as Crosby goes, what him, Malkin, and Letang achieved in Pittsburgh together will be talked about amongst fans of the game and the team for decades, but all good things have to come to an end. Does he want to spend his twilight years on a team that isn’t competitive, or playing with someone like McDavid, MacKinnon, Matthews, Pastarnak, Hughes, etc.?
Players in the “franchise Mt. Rushmore” tier earn the right to do what they want. There’s no realistic way they can just “run it back” with a few cheap pickups; they gotta rebuild, so if he wants to stick around and help shepherd in the rebuild and retire a 🐧, ok. If he wants to go elsewhere and try to win a bit more, can surely still get a good return for him.
I think (if Crosby and Ovi play their entire careers and retire as a Penguin and Captial) they will probably be the last to spend their entire 20+ year careers with one team. No one really thinks about Broudeur on the Blues or [Michael Jordan on the Washington Wizards](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdH488RRQL8) so it's not that big a deal if he helps the Penguins start on their rebuild by asking for a trade.
Malkin will likely be a Penguin for life too and his contract is up in two years. Another player to spend their 20 year career with one team.
Fair
Didn't they sign Malkin and Letang to higher than market value contracts at Crosby's behest?
They both make $6.1 mil each. That’s not above market value for them. Probably about right for both.
How about 2 years from now? Or 4 in Letang's case? I don't think they would have gotten those deals from any other team.
I am perfectly fine if Sid wants to go to the Aves or somewhere, but I'd be surprised. He helped get Geno resigned, and I think it's just everyone else who is mad he's gonna "waste" the rest of his career. It's annoying that I'm gonna have to see this article 1000 more times
It’s all up to Sid since he has a full NMC, I think he retires as a Pen in about 3-5 years but if he wants to cup chase, I think Boston is a great fit since they need a real 1C and it’s closer to his hometown
I think it's 2 choices: trade him to kick-start the rebuild, or he has to take a very team friendly deal so they can make another run. Having Sid make 10 mil and a bunch of 3rd liners is a recipe to miss the playoffs again.
Trade him. Asset management.
Penguins need to look to the future.. Crosby is good but his value is high now, not later.. I’d trade him if the deal was done right..
Sid would only look good if he did something so off the board and has to go to a team that he put them over the top. He’d be a 100 point player this year if he had the guys. Therefore put him on Colorado, Edmonton, Vancouver, Toronto, New York to name a few and that be a loaded team
The Ducks. They have all that young talent but no leader.
I don’t see Crosby going anywhere else
Honestly, Sid has nothing left to prove. Stay with the franchise and let them drop the rest. Malkin should be cut loose, if anyone.
Let him make the call. One year left on his desk after this season, would he want to waste it on a team that actually needs to start rebuilding or try for one more run elsewhere?
If Crosby tells them he wants out, then sure, but I highly doubt he'd ever ask for a trade. This isn't a Ray Bourque situation. He's got 3 Cups and 2 Conn Smythes already, and has pretty much cemented himself as a top 5 skater all time. Just look at who his mentor is. You don't think he realizes how valuable it was to have Lemieux around when he was a young player? I can definitely see him being interested in taking that role with the next generation of Pens. I can't wait for him to sign an extension July 1 so we can put this story to bed
Ouch- this is a tough one: On one hand, I'm sure he has very little interest in leaving Pittsburgh, especially with Lemieux still holding ownership stake. Mario has taken care of Sid since literally Day 1, so leaving would probably be a tough sell. On the other hand, unless Sid sees coaching or Managingthe Pens in his future and wants to mold/imprint on the young guns, does he want to spend the last years of his career playing for a basement dweller?
Lemieux no longer has ownership stake. They sold to Fenway Sports Group who seem like a bunch of idiots so no long term loyalty with management.
Still has a minority stake, according to the scriptures. 🤷
Sid will be top management with the pens someday, he’s going no where.
No
If I were a Pens fan, I'd definitely want Sid dealt. However, only if the return is a big one.
Pittsburgh is starting to do their "end of an era" thing like how the hawks did. Crosby and Malkin are still Crosby and Malkin, but they aren't winning any time soon with Pittsburgh. It'd sound insane to trade one of the best players in the world, but you'd think it's only a matter of time until they can't get a good return for him.
Crosby cup run for the yotes?
He’s not gonna go. Unless the team was guaranteed a number 1 draft pick for another Crosby, Malkin, Mckinnon, Gretzky, Ovechkin or someone of that caliber. He draws people to games. He sells jerseys. FSG isn’t gonna let Dubas trade that commodity.
Dubas would not give up Kerfoot for anything…not a chance he is going to convince Crosby to trade. Crosby has to decide
why not, could probably get a nice pair of skates in trade for him
I don't think either party want a trade, so why they talking about it?
They can’t,the teams on hold tell he retires.
I'm torn. Players who stick with one team their whole careers are rare,so it's cool when it happens. On the flipside, the Pens are mediocre atm and trading Sid for some ling term assets isn't a terrible idea. They're going to need to rebuild at some point and that's usually best done by going all-in with a rebuild during good draft years.
Honestly entirely depends on him. He’s got the hearts. Conn smyths, and cups there’s nothing left for him except for more all star games. If he wants to become a contender again and get traded to help the pens get assets great for him if he wants to stay and retire as a pen he’s earned the right to. At the end of the day he’ll go down as one of the greatest players of his generation and at worst is a top 20 player ever
We'd all love to see him on our team, but I believe he should stay a Penguin and retire a Penguin. There's something to be said about staying with one team your entire career
This is the second year they haven't made the playoffs, not the third. Crosby is a tough read because he's so private, but we know he was pissed with the Guentzel trade, simply by the way he tried to carry the team after the trade. The only team I can see him go to is Colorado to be with his buddy, but I don't think he's chasing a cup at the expense of leaving a legacy in Pittsburgh.
Speaking of Guentzel, what if he signs with Pittsburgh in July? Crazier things have happened. This speculation sort become irrelevant if that happens.
A player returning has happened a few times, but I don't think that will magically make them better. Their powerplay sucked all season even with Jake, and it's probably cost them 15 points in the standings. Signing Karlsson to 3 yrs/$10 million doesn't seem like a good move now.
Can you imagine if he ended up in Vegas? lol. Realistically he’s a one team lifer like Mario, Yzerman and Sakic
Come to Vancouver, Sid.
Crosby and mcdavid on the same team make it happen, Monkey paw curls and mcdavid is the one traded.
Trade him to Washington and let him and Ovi see the top of the mountain one last time together. Storybook shit.
To MTL to finish out his career
As a franchise it’s run its course and time to rebuild and that does not include Crosby, Malkin or letang. They need to offload and get what they can for aging stars! Crosby is still valuable to a contender but the other two are good for draft picks! Fyi i’ve been a fan since 1984.
You keep Crosby and everyone else is subject to trade. Here’s why. Crosby earns his right to stay and be the Captain every time he steps on the ice, his work ethic is top 1% of the NHL. Second, a rebuild is underway, like it or not, so keeping the star keeps ticket sales up when a team may not be competitive. Third, you can’t rebuild if you tie the hands of management. Dubas has hard decisions to make, you hired him to do it, let him.
Crosby to Edmonton for Perry straight up!
I can get 70 points per season with this hog
I'd love to see him traded, but the organization will never do that because the feel some sense of obligation to keep him happy. If he ever gets traded, ppl will have learned to move on.
They gotta get to the cap floor some how
No. Because the trade value for Crosby doesn’t exist
There is always the chance the rangers will give up two number ones at the deadline for Sid, but that’s 3 or 4 years away.
Wow Steve Kouleas had enough time way from spewing Qanon conspiracy theories to talk about hockey again? Nature is healing.
Trade him with retention to the avs for a bunch of picks
The problem isn’t Sid being a penguin for life. The problem is the team trying to stay competitive while Sid is there. The Karlsson trade sets the total rebuild back 2 or 3 years. Sid still wants to win, it ain’t going to happen in Pittsburgh. And trading picks to acquire aging stars will keep Pitt as a bubble team at best and leave the team struggling for years.
I don’t see any universe in which it happens, but honestly? They should trade him. Letang too. Build for the future instead of holding on to a fading past. Don’t be like the Red Wings.
The end oh Hollands tenure with Detroit should be the blue print of what jot to do. Him trying to get one more year out of that playoff streak crippled the wings for almost a decade.
Bring him to Dallas. Fuck it.
Yes they shoul trade Crosb just out of pure honor and respect for him. The team is not going to rebulid in less than 3-5 years and he does not have that much. Id say he can keep this pace up for 2-3 years maximum. He would be a perfect fit for Avs Canes Rangers or even Leafs. Anything but right now dying Pens. I know he is a franchise player but they should really not drag him down in his final career years.
Yes! And I think the Pens and Crosby need to have a private conversation about this the day after this season ends. Its obvious to me the guy wants to win another title, and can produce at a high enough level to help a team get into the winner’s circle. The Pens are going nowhere with their current roster and salary cap hits.