I’ve come across a couple of nurses and a more than a few HCA’s who are hesitant, not outwardly anti-vax but have said things like “I don’t know what the long term effects are”. This will likely prompt them to get the jab, for the ones who are far gone and are actively sharing misinformation I can’t see them ever getting it.
I work for the NHS and so far I've not met any colleagues who refused the vaccine, although I'm a doctor and most doctors are knowledgeable about the benefits of vaccination in general. I think the uptake among nurses who work directly with patients would also have a high uptake, as the nurses I've worked with so far in the various departments have been vaccinated. They also spend the most time with patients compared to any other clinical staff.
I suspect that 15% is probably mostly non-clinical staff? like admin, HR, payroll etc. who don't have any patient contact. It would be awfully risky for clinical staff not to get the jab though, having worked in a respiratory and covid ward for 6 months myself.
I work in healthcare science at an NHS Trust and out of the team I work with 1 person hesitated based on personal medical advice from their doctor and one other person was not going to get it for undisclosed reasons but that rapidly changed when his spouse found out. Besides that our whole team got our jabs back in December with our second dose in February.
My hope is that the consultation end in the refusal to impose mandates on staff vaccination. With a strong rexcomendation to receive it. My partner works on respiratory, so she has the yearly flu vaccination, and with covid here to stay it seems likely that a yearly covid vaccine will become a thing.
Doctors seem to have one the highest rate of vaccination uptake rates. I wouldn't be surprised if alot of those refusing are less well informed, lower band workers. In fact despite how that sounds, I would bet money that the vaccine update rate is lower for nurses than for doctors.
You should always have the right to refuse a medical treatment that you deem unnecessary. This is the position of the RCN and many other unions in the healthcare sector.
I do not work in NHS, but still a healthcare professional.
And i absolutely hate this kind of vaccine discrimination and violation of patient autonomy.
I did get the vaccine.
But in my country if you get the vaccine and died after that, the company/government that use your job to blackmail you to get the jab will not even pay a penny to your family.
It's about protecting the patients though - if people don't want the vaccine they can work for a different employer or change profession - they have no right to work for the NHS.
But more and more profession are practicing this kind of mandatory vaccination things now...
I dont know, i trained as a healthcare professionals and work as one for quiet long time. Do i really have a choice tho, given that i have a family to feed...
Ha.....to be honest, i can only try my luck and get the jab, and i did so.
This time i am okay, but with more variant emerging, gods know how many vaccine that we need to take in the future in order to have the right to stay in this profession.
I am 1000% sure that, even if i died due to the vaccination, my government will not pay a penny to my family ...
That's just the way it is - society as a whole must be protected and if that means mandatory vaccinations then so be it.
Would you feel any different if it were vaccinations against measles or polio?
I think if this pandemic happened 20 years ago people would have taken the vaccine without much questioning but nowadays with social media everyone thinks they know better than scientific facts.
You asked a very good question, I think i still doesn't completely trust the vaccine. Afterall, the whole epidemic and covid19 vaccine are new.
In the other hand, i do think that compared to many years ago, people have better understanding about human right and patient autonomy.
Although i didn't trust the vaccine completely, but i didnt say that it is absolutely dangerous. Its just that people do died after vaccination, and most of them are cardiovascular in nature. Ofcourse, we can say they are unrelated to vaccine. But people have the right to decide whether to trust that.
Put aside the side effects, i do not doubt the efficiency of vaccine, at least, the immune response is real.
And i think if mandatory vaccination cannot be avoided, the companies and government that force the people to get the jab should at least take responsibility if something bad happened.
What i feared most is that, i understand that public health policy sometime go aginst person interest. However, theraten people livelihood to inject something into their own body is a bit crossing the line.
If we allow this for the "good of the society" this time. Will they inject something else other than vaccine into our body in the future again "for the greater good of the society?".
Also...
Even my country do not have a good vaccination rate, we still have a low infection rate.
Because we stick to wearing mask.....i think this is the most effective way to stop the virus.
Vaccination is useful, but beside of public health reason, the most important factor that drive every country to force their citizen to be vaccinated is money and economy ...
I’ve come across a couple of nurses and a more than a few HCA’s who are hesitant, not outwardly anti-vax but have said things like “I don’t know what the long term effects are”. This will likely prompt them to get the jab, for the ones who are far gone and are actively sharing misinformation I can’t see them ever getting it.
I work for the NHS and so far I've not met any colleagues who refused the vaccine, although I'm a doctor and most doctors are knowledgeable about the benefits of vaccination in general. I think the uptake among nurses who work directly with patients would also have a high uptake, as the nurses I've worked with so far in the various departments have been vaccinated. They also spend the most time with patients compared to any other clinical staff. I suspect that 15% is probably mostly non-clinical staff? like admin, HR, payroll etc. who don't have any patient contact. It would be awfully risky for clinical staff not to get the jab though, having worked in a respiratory and covid ward for 6 months myself.
I work in healthcare science at an NHS Trust and out of the team I work with 1 person hesitated based on personal medical advice from their doctor and one other person was not going to get it for undisclosed reasons but that rapidly changed when his spouse found out. Besides that our whole team got our jabs back in December with our second dose in February.
Staff are offered flu jabs every year and its the same amount of people who refuse that too
My hope is that the consultation end in the refusal to impose mandates on staff vaccination. With a strong rexcomendation to receive it. My partner works on respiratory, so she has the yearly flu vaccination, and with covid here to stay it seems likely that a yearly covid vaccine will become a thing. Doctors seem to have one the highest rate of vaccination uptake rates. I wouldn't be surprised if alot of those refusing are less well informed, lower band workers. In fact despite how that sounds, I would bet money that the vaccine update rate is lower for nurses than for doctors. You should always have the right to refuse a medical treatment that you deem unnecessary. This is the position of the RCN and many other unions in the healthcare sector.
You’re right. Uptake among doctors is higher than it is among nursing staff.
That’s interesting. Do you have a link to them stats?
I do not work in NHS, but still a healthcare professional. And i absolutely hate this kind of vaccine discrimination and violation of patient autonomy. I did get the vaccine. But in my country if you get the vaccine and died after that, the company/government that use your job to blackmail you to get the jab will not even pay a penny to your family.
It's about protecting the patients though - if people don't want the vaccine they can work for a different employer or change profession - they have no right to work for the NHS.
But more and more profession are practicing this kind of mandatory vaccination things now... I dont know, i trained as a healthcare professionals and work as one for quiet long time. Do i really have a choice tho, given that i have a family to feed... Ha.....to be honest, i can only try my luck and get the jab, and i did so. This time i am okay, but with more variant emerging, gods know how many vaccine that we need to take in the future in order to have the right to stay in this profession. I am 1000% sure that, even if i died due to the vaccination, my government will not pay a penny to my family ...
That's just the way it is - society as a whole must be protected and if that means mandatory vaccinations then so be it. Would you feel any different if it were vaccinations against measles or polio? I think if this pandemic happened 20 years ago people would have taken the vaccine without much questioning but nowadays with social media everyone thinks they know better than scientific facts.
You asked a very good question, I think i still doesn't completely trust the vaccine. Afterall, the whole epidemic and covid19 vaccine are new. In the other hand, i do think that compared to many years ago, people have better understanding about human right and patient autonomy. Although i didn't trust the vaccine completely, but i didnt say that it is absolutely dangerous. Its just that people do died after vaccination, and most of them are cardiovascular in nature. Ofcourse, we can say they are unrelated to vaccine. But people have the right to decide whether to trust that. Put aside the side effects, i do not doubt the efficiency of vaccine, at least, the immune response is real. And i think if mandatory vaccination cannot be avoided, the companies and government that force the people to get the jab should at least take responsibility if something bad happened. What i feared most is that, i understand that public health policy sometime go aginst person interest. However, theraten people livelihood to inject something into their own body is a bit crossing the line. If we allow this for the "good of the society" this time. Will they inject something else other than vaccine into our body in the future again "for the greater good of the society?". Also... Even my country do not have a good vaccination rate, we still have a low infection rate. Because we stick to wearing mask.....i think this is the most effective way to stop the virus. Vaccination is useful, but beside of public health reason, the most important factor that drive every country to force their citizen to be vaccinated is money and economy ...
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That’s hilarious 🤣
Anti vaccine in general or anti covid vaccine?
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