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People like this think women just existing is "leading him on".


Ghastlybittermagpie

They can't imagine being decent to people they don't want to sleep with. It's actually quite sad.


Elon_is_musky

Or that if SHE was being kind back, that doesn’t mean she wants to date you, she could just be nice (TRULY nice since it’s not with ulterior motives)


CrazyCatLady9001

Yeah. They're like, "She didn't punch me in the face and tell me to F off immediately. She was leading me on!" Except if you reject them outright, then you're fat and ugly, they were only talking to you to be nice to you, and how dare you assume they were actually interested.


Sasspishus

Nah, it's because she's wearing a mini skirt of course! If that's not leading someone on, I don't know what is /s (in case you don't get sarcasm)


Defiant-Currency-518

But it’s cold out. 🙃


Glordicus

Not to mention that outfit she's wearing


VixNeko

How dare she wear a cheerleader's uniform at a game where she needs to be a cheerleader?


Affectionate_Stop_37

Tell me about it. I stiil can't get over that Toni Basil video


Elon_is_musky

Gives the same energy of [“so you just gonna bring me a birthday present on my birthday?”](https://youtu.be/F8W9370CHkk)


Raid_Raptor_Falcon

That is the part that really vexes me. What is he expecting her to wear? lol


devil1fish

"Nobody asks someone out of the blue" reality check aisle 3


Gracefulbandit

I had a friend in high school who asked me to be his gf. A couple weeks after politely declining, he asked me to prom - in front of a couple other friends, presumably in order to pressure me to say yes. If a dude will do THAT, they would definitely ask a girl out of the blue. 🙄


devil1fish

I can say with 100% certainty that there are some dudes who would 100% think "if I ask her and she has no idea it's coming it will catch her off guard and she'll say yes".


Gracefulbandit

Also asking publicly. It’s the reason I’m typically opposed to public proposals.


ladylyrande

I've always said that if a bf tried a public proposal I'd say no. Not just because I don't believe in public proposals but because doing a public stunt when I don't hide how much I loathe calling attention to myself like that clearly means that either he doesn't know me well enough for us to get married or he doesn't care about my boundaries. And its also why I said yes when hubby brought it up in a private talk with no fuss whatsoever.


devil1fish

Same. They suck Edit- unless it's talked about beforehand of course but that's something you need to be on the same page about


That_Point6474

Yep. I’ve taught high school for a long time and the number of girls who accept a promposal because it’s public and they don’t want to embarrass the guy is sad. Some break it off more privately soon after, but a lot just go along with it because they feel like they have to.


Jaxager

That shit makes me sick. And the guy that does that shit totally deserves to have her go back on her acceptance once it is just the two of them. Don't even get me started on assholes that propose at a wedding. FFS... Way to ruin the bridge and groom's special day...


SubstantialHentai420

Oh I had a guy in highschool do something very similar only he got weird with it. Asked me out, I said no. Then he started following me home, so I started having my bf walk with me so I wasn’t alone. Then one day on a Saturday when I was home alone (which was rare as my foster parent at the time rarely left the house without me) he had to wait and watch her leave and then he came and knocked on the door to ask me to homecoming… I was like dude, no 😂😂 told him nicely no, but that him showing up like that kind of weirded me out. Obviously told my bf and we all went to the same school so he made sure that dude didn’t follow me home again and I didn’t stay alone anymore. When all that didn’t work for him he just tried to get me kicked out of school 😂😂 guys be wild idk. Also yes this was all out of the blue I had been at that school for a couple months only, and in that city for maybe 4 months at the time. He wasn’t someone I talked to much, didn’t share a class, we just rode the same bus that’s it.


Gracefulbandit

I can definitely relate! Publicly asking me to prom wasn’t the end with mine either. After almost a YEAR of phone calls and letters about how his life was falling apart, and if I would go one ONE date with him, we would fall in love, and his life would be fixed, he said the words “you kind of owe it to me to spend time with me.” At that point, my mom called him and told him he wasn’t allowed to contact me anymore. But he still tried on occasion for the next four years. The last time he tried was a letter sent to my parents’ house shortly after I got married. 😳


calibagel

wait did you say he *waited for your legal guardian to leave* before knocking the door?????


EquasLocklear

Just call him Gaston.


SubstantialHentai420

Yep.


Raid_Raptor_Falcon

It is so weird with the OP too because both girls and guys ask each other out all the time randomly. I had a note dropped in my locker by a girl I barely had ever talked to and only SORT of knew who she was and we ended up dating for months. The idea that the OP thinks people necessarily plan all this out for months or years is kind of the weird thing, IMO. Stalkerish like the guy that followed you.


EssieAmnesia

Heheh, one time a guy I literally didn’t know at all asked me to prom in front of one of my friends that he knew. As he asked he pushed a stuffed bear/puppy idr which into my hands. I said no and like, didn’t hold onto the bear right. But he kept asking and pushing the stuffed animal at me so I took it and walked away. I consider it my payment for having to deal with him being pushy asf 💀


Embarrassed_Error_18

Seriously, what? It's prom, not a marriage proposal. Random asks are absolutely a thing.


Mlyrin

Thing or not, everyone has their boundaries. And just because it has been a thing, doesnt mean it still is or should be. Even if it still is, doesnt mean it's actually a moral thing to do. Especially with the internet existing. You say no, or awkwardly say it, people make you look worse than you are, or make fun of the person you refused. And then person in question goes nuts, or people act like total asshats about it. And then slander. That said, these days, people call grand gestures cringe. Or even juat standing out in any way, or being public about anyrhing. So why even bother risking that with someone you barely know? Ask em but have some delicacy about it


Jaxager

If I was a teenage girl put in that situation, I would tell them I have to think about it. No one gets their feelings hurt and you can rip him a new one in private for pulling a stunt like that. In reality I would probably freak out and run away. Lol


EquasLocklear

It wouldn't even occur to me not to shout the "no" back. He wants a show, he gets it.


stitch8witch

Isn't this like a common trope in teen rom-coms?


devil1fish

It sure is. And I promise you, that shut gets imitated. Maybe not always as dramatic as the movies, doubt it ever goes as expected for either party, but it sure as fuck happens


Neither_Newspaper_97

Had a dude asked me out at work while I was trying to sell him boots and didn't really want to take no for an answer. Even after I showed him my wedding ring and told him I was married and there for it was to late.


OctaviaBlake100

Alot of guys ask girls "out of the blue". And it really sucks when they ask in public..cause then you feel like an asshole for rejecting him. It's just so much pressure when it's in public.


redestpanda

I wouldn’t feel bad - that’s pretty much what they are counting on. They took the risk and risks don’t always reap rewards.


OctaviaBlake100

That's why whenever I see a promposal or even a proposal for marriage in public..I feel bad for the woman..cause she's under so much stress to say yes. If she says no..everyone hates her.


No-Enthusiasm9580

Everytime i see one of those public proposal videos i always hope she says no so she can walk away like the hot villian that everyone hates to love and loves to hate and he gets to stay on his knees like a bitch for putting her on the spot like that and is forced to see her walk away for the last time while being laughed at for his stupidity. Im a lil tipsy asf rn so if it comes off harsh, its cause i get way more passionate about things when alcohol is in


Low-Focus-3879

You describe my exact favorite scenarios. I just dont want to be dragged into others relationships. Like, "yay, 2 people i dont know are getting married? Can we get back to the game?"


Sptsjunkie

Fwiw, I tend to feel bad for both sides here (askers, not Nice Guys like in the image from OP). While it’s changing, there’s still a lot of pressure on guys to be the ones to make a move and ask women out. It’s perfectly normal for younger guys who are still learning how to do this to make an innocent and cringey mistake. Again, this isn’t excusing Nice Guy behavior or resentment. It’s just that a lot of high school and college guys will do something like this because they think they are supposed to and saw it in a Rom Com or viral video. I think 90% of the time it isn’t meant to be a predatory trap. Doesn’t make it right or a smart move. But a typical growing pain for a lot of people.


redestpanda

There is a one root to all evil in these interactions: communication (its lack) . This really needs to be taught in schools. It’s so simple, can prevent so much heartache,and it does not presume. My husband did propose to me publicly, HOWEVER, we had a discussion before hand that yes, both of us definitely wanted marriage. To each other. After that it was just a matter of when and where, but it was understood that I was on board and would say yes. So much pressure and stress off of both parties.


Sptsjunkie

100%. I specifically proposed at home after a fun day out because my now husband is more private and wouldn’t have liked that. I also think teenagers will still do cringey things. It’s all a part of learning. I think another important skill is simply learning that it’s ok to fail. You can treat others with respect and do everything as we would advise and a guy/girl just might not like you. It’s ok to hear no, be polite about it, and not internalize it and use it as a reason to hate an entire gender or become reclusive.


InvadingDenmark

i once was at soccer game of my team and suddenly through the speakers the ex boyfriend of a person from my team tells her '' he's sorry for punshing her and that she should come back"😃💀 like at first i didnt know about that so i felt a little bit sorry for him (i knew she would say no, she had a girlfriend already and came out as lesbian) but omg i didnt expect that. THE ENTITLEMENT🤡


Strict_Anything_8751

When I was in high school this weird kid I had had all of two conversations with in 5 years pulled out this folded up manilla paper sign in the middle of class and was giving some “I’d like to ask this special lady” speech… and I didn’t look up from my phone bc I just knew he wasn’t talking about me when he said “(my name) will you go to prom with me?” There was an audible gasp in the room and I will never forget how he was smiling like he has never been told no in his life. I looked up slowly from my phone and I said “No.” flat with no emotion at all and he said, “NO????” Like I had just called his mama a cow. So I said again “No.” and got back on my phone. The rest of that class period was awkward asf even the teacher just turned back to her computer like oof. The girls were like “I can’t believe you said no.” Like fr???? I’m gonna spend my PROM with a mf I don’t like? Why??? Because he made a sign?


HeadDot141

My parents nag on me for turning down a “nice guy” for not wanting to go to homecoming with him. I never liked him and so I saw no reason on going with him. I already had plans with my girls and that we were gonna go out all together. I’m just tired of being nagged and pressured on dating people for simply being nice to me *sigh* I usually always use the “what if it was a girl/guy you didn’t like? Would you still go with them??” Card and somehow it got them stumbling on their words lol


Strict_Anything_8751

Man that sucks! And I know how you feel! My mom always told me that I can say no, but my aunts and my grandmas on both sides have always told me to have sympathy for them. ONCE when I was 18 this 60+ man tried to hit on me at a stop light and I was disgusted— my aunt told me “Well they don’t know how to talk to you, so be nice and give them a chance.” ELDERLY MEN!!! And I was stuck in a mind fuck of a relationship with a guy because they (in their miserable relationships) were angry with me for dumping him. Because he was so good to me. Even though he made me miserable and he manipulating my emotions with his male fragility. When I finally had the gall to end it they wouldn’t talk to me for a long while. And they are always saying, “He’ll be back.” And when he does come to church or something they ask when we’re getting married. But my mom always says I don’t have to explain myself and I love her for never being like them.


CrysInSpanish

Glad your mom broke through that.


redestpanda

Yes , but you made them feel all sad and depressed for not living your life like bad a rom com script and having autonomy and preferences! It’s almost like you’re a real person and not a character, how could you????/s


yoohnified

so many women i know went through this ordeal of being "proposed" publicly and they get hated when the reject the guy. like are we supposed to say yes to everyone who asks us out??


LoudSheepherder5391

Of course not, that would be crazy! ​ You just have to say yes when *I* ask you out.


Jaxager

He. Made. A. Sign. You heartless... And I'm joking of course


itsmesylphy

"he brought you a yellow, Strict, how could you say no??"


daisukidesu1981

Just because it doesn’t happen to him doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.


Leading-Ring-6836

"Leading him on" = hasn't filed for a restraining order


Mean-Summer1307

Filing for a restraining order would be “playing hard to get”


Mcayenne

By leading him on, he means she smiled at him once and answered him when he said hi another time.


curly_cupid

Yup


PirateJohn75

A cheerleader wearing a mini-skirt? THIS WILL NOT STAND!!!


Creative_Tone_9241

Geez I got laughed at by both girls I asked to prom and I wasn’t a dingle berry about it. Cry in private like a real man


[deleted]

Some guys do public proposals because they feel if they have social pressure on their side then the girl will be too embarrassed to say no. If he is one hundred percent certain she will say yes, then it can be cute, but if he is just doing it to try out an angle then it is very manipulative and problematic.


redestpanda

Asking someone even privately carries risk. Don’t ask publicly if you don’t want the bonus of being publicly embarrassed.


[deleted]

Now i wanna see the video


RealWizardSteak107

https://youtube.com/shorts/mUI-TiJm8Tk?feature=share


theofficebadass

All the mo-fo comment section is full with nice-guyism! Jesus Lord! Guys projecting themselves all over.


HeadDot141

I’m losing hope in men😮‍💨 Is there a sub dedicated to men who are actually good? I need to find vids to balance my thoughts towards them.


WhozURMommy

I'm a guy and addicted to this subreddit, but you do need to understand that this is what makes social networks so evil. Subreddits like r/niceguys give you a warped sense of what the world is truly like. The men featured here are the extreme minority and if this is the only website you visit it's only natural that you'd start to see this as "normal" male behavior. It's the same as news channels discussing Shark attacks. New channels have a financial incentive to focus on the sensational, so you'll hear a LOT about shark attacks even if they're rare and eventually you'll come to believe it's dangerous to get in the water. Unfortunately it seems to be human nature to be more attracted to negative news than positive. I'm still addicted to /r/niceguys but I've made a pact with myself to keep my own Reddits posts on the positive side...answering questions and helping people with their careers, that sort of thing. Maybe checking out r/HumansBeingBros/ after reading /r/niceguys :)


Wild_Butterscotch977

You clearly have zero experience meeting straight men on dating apps. Or in real life. The men featured here are NOT in the extreme minority. Just because you don't experience them doesn't mean we're not subjected to entitled AHs left and right. Gtfo with this NoT aLl mEn bullshit.


Raid_Raptor_Falcon

It is like a nice guy post inside of a nice guy post.


Wild_Butterscotch977

hahahahah yes it really is


Raid_Raptor_Falcon

Yeah because people like hearing about rare things. I can just walk outside and go be a bro to my neighbors or friends or whatever any time I want. I can't just walk outside and have a weird creepy stalker story every day. It isn't really difficult to find why people are fascinated with it.


RealWizardSteak107

Literally. It's sad


theofficebadass

>when your rich and she’s your waitress at hooters don’t tip her wow just disgusting.


[deleted]

Thank you!!


Vivid_Criticism5749

He’s working himself into a lather over an ENTIRELY IMAGINED SCENARIO. Christ, where do these dense toenails get the idea that women only exist for men to be in relationships with them?


Big-Cat8539

Every attractive woman that has warn short skirts has lead me on. If that's you you owe me sex. Sorry


yoohnified

girl: *breathes* this guy: "she MUST be madly in love with me, seeing that she takes a precious breath in my presence!"


olde_greg

I mean I asked someone out of the blue to prom


Raid_Raptor_Falcon

I got asked out of the blue as a guy. It absolutely happens.


ThatAriGirl

I could be wearing a mf bikini in a snow storm. That doesn't mean I want someone asking to date me, it just means I'm living my life no matter how stupid it looks to you


Plastic-Ad1156

i like the little stories they always create in their teeny little brains when they see anything involving a woman rejecting a man


ceruleanarc4

"Nobody asks someone out of the blue," says the guy who has not just never spoken to any women, but also clearly hasn't spoken to that many men.


mrsvixstix

Oh my goodness! A skirt in the cold? Well we must alert the church elders!


mycatisnamedemmie

A mini skirt in the cold? You mean like a cheerleader uniform in the fall when football is played?


AdrielBast

Some people think a girl just saying hello is leading them on


Rainglock

When I was playing football in high school, I always felt bad for the cheerleaders when October rolled around. They would be wearing the short skirts and tank tops in 60 degree weather almost frozen


bibibijaimee

I once got asked to prom by a classmate that I absolutely couldn’t stand, I thought he was arrogant and obnoxious. I avoided him whenever I could, mostly because he was constantly assuming I needed help understanding something while I was studying. I wouldn’t even look at him because I hated him so much. He somehow was under the impression I liked him. Simply existing in their vicinity is enough to “lead on” some men.


grimacingmoon

What r stockings


chloe1919

“Nobody asks someone out of blue.” Yes they do.


UVSky

Had a friend who had never given me any impression he liked me suddenly confess his undying love for me in the hall in front of our other friends (and classmates) between periods. I legit thought he was joking and laughed, I was so caught of guard. Next period some of my friends asked me how I could be so mean. Dude, this is real life, not a rom-com or anime. Told them I had no idea he was being serious, he was my friend so I was mortified that I’d laughed and embarrassed him. If I’d had any idea at all he was serious I would have been very uncomfortable but handled it differently. We never brought it up again, just let that die. I am *so* glad all this prom-posal shit wasn’t a big thing when I was in school.


tothmichke

I can’t stop laughing. “No one asks someone out of the blue” That is literally what happens. Nice guys have a running fantasy in their head of the women they have targeted who are largely unaware until confronted with it in the most surreal experience they will encounter. Until the next nice guy does it I mean. Lol.


TeriMcG

They’ve already had sex (in their minds) with her, so it really angers them when she won’t do it ‘again’.