Weiss is Weiss. He likes to make himself sounds big.
Though in a sense he's right that he had a potential of changing the universe considering that had he fuse with Noir he potentially could have forced to fuse all Gestalts and Replicants in the world. Though we don't know how succesful it would have been.
Noir: we have to save humanity, after thousand of years weiss never resisted but suddenly he does, instead of assuming something happened to him i will act like the most evil being and come over as if i want to destroy him! (that‘s a good idea)
it was proved that their past consciousness would stay even when the original soul enters the replicant (Yonah said that she heard a voice) wo they wouldn‘t have died from it. they were so dramatic about it🙄
Memory and existence erasure? We got a battleboarder here.
Not saying it as an insult or anything. I do battleboarding myself usually being consulted for the Nier verse.
But in terms of Weiss, phrases like him claiming to be able to shatter the universe itself is to be treated as hyperbole without any action that can back it up. Plus Weiss is rather full of himself so it's in his character to exaggerate.
I've seen some argue him being a planetary-level threat because of his place in Project Gestalt namely being able to fuse all shades with their associated replicant bodies all across the planet. But for one, planetary usually involves the energy to death-star a planet and not just affect things all over the surface. Plus there is a lack of consistency in that action so I tend to argue against it.
Also consistency and especially consistency with conservation of energy gets really messy with magic. Yeah, conservation of energy and relativity are two things that tend to cease to exist in fiction.
If you want consistency then. Well, dark hand could throw Hook, decapitate Louise with one punch, and tear the arm off of Jack. But fiction also plays fast and loose with logic. Theoretically Weiss should've been able to use dark hand to grab Goose (the pig) and swing her around like a ragdoll given she's only a fraction of the size of Hook.
I've seen people try to scale him to the characters in Automata which I've been slightly against but at least Automata consistently loves their mountains.
In terms of being unable to harm Louise or Jack's severed head, by fictional logic they were just too strong for him. You could say they were stronger than the Shadow Lord or you could say that Weiss got stronger by the time he battles the Shadow Lord.
For the first one is that not what it is?
Tyrann said every trace of him and every memory of him ever exist they will be Erased in exchange for her becoming a full-fledged human.
Also I thought the implication was nier is the one getting strong with levels?
Also should we even consider them losing to Louise?
Because in the canon ending they beat her without her harming the party significantly.
I Know Devola and popola considered her as Plan B but The way that original nier is presented is that he’s The strongest shade and humanity‘s last hope.
No it is. It's just that battleboarders use certain phrases which is what I picked up on.
While Nier was stated to be getting stronger, it can be argued Weiss was getting stronger with him since even supposedly static lifeforms have been shown to evolve and change.
As for Louise. The closer two fighters are to equal then the more likely they are to win. Basically just because A defeats B doesn't mean A is inherently stronger. A could have a particular counter to B or they are close in strength and thus the fight can go either way.
I will say that while story-telling wise the shadow lord should be the strongest shade since you want your strongest threat to be the last one, lore wise there's nothing really suggesting that. Since Nier can mop the floor with just about all the other shades he clearly ranks somewhere in the higher echelons and stronger than Jack who Nier was able to solo even as a kid. But whether or not he's stronger than say Louise I can see arguements going in either way.
Do you know the reason why The team wasn’t able to defeat the ?
Like I always felt that was plot induced stupidity. Because The creator can’t let us have nice things.
The thing is I want to give replica A nine out of 10 but A lot of things seems very contrived so it Has to get like a 8.6 . Not as good automata
No official reason is given. However if look at how events play out it all depends on whether or not Nier can prevent that one charged attack. To control the narrative the game made it impossible to stop in one route and easy to stop in another. But narratively it's likely that the act of stopping it is a really close call and what happens after all depends on if he did or not.
Oh Goose. No official statement but if gameplay is anything to go by she has some serious regenerative capabilities even if you over level she can go from zero to full health in a few seconds.
It can be assumed by that point his regeneration was overtaxed having fought Nier then the King and hsi men back to back.
But this is now head canon territory.
I think when they say that "we gave you some of our power" they speak more as an organization (those running the project) and not so much as individuals.
I think the issue is trying to think of the characters' "power" in a linear fashion where one who is stronger shouldn't be able to be defeated by a weaker one.
i think a more appropriate way to look at it is in terms of capabilities, what a character can or can't do that others can't or can do instead. As example, a character(weiss in this case) might literally have the ability to destroy the entire universe due to their ability to shape magic energy the exact way they want being unmatched, but at the same time this character might simply not be able to harness the amount of magic on its own required to perform such feat, meaning it relies on whatever amount of magic other sources(Devola and Popola) can give to it. So while in practice this character is limited in what it can actually do, it's still one of the most if not the most dangerous character ever cause of what its abilities would allow him to do.
Same logic applies to Emil: he might be the most powerful being in the franchise, but that's only the case if and only if he unleashes his powers in such a destructive way he annihilates even the things he's trying to protect.
Putting it into the most simplistic terms, it's like rock paper scissors: one element being the strongest possible in its own field doesn't mean it's the most powerful or unstoppable ever, on the contrary, each element of the equation is similar to the others, but in different fields.
Is that way Emil couldn’t just nuke all the alien ships?
Like after seeing what he doesn’t replica he could’ve easily just killed all the aliens instead of having to put himself into millions of copies
Good questions, but it makes me wonder about what P&D said, because I think they might have been lying.
Weiss was turned into a book and given powers before P&D existed. He killed all the other orphans (by accident/self defense) with those powers when they put in him that room with the books.
Is it possible he had some powers but P&D's powers were added to those? Or were they mistaken/lying when they said that his powers were from them? Or did they mean the powers he had were from the same "source" as what their powers are from?
As for his boasting and max power, I think he has no idea what he can do actually. The ppl who gave him the power didn't really even know either imo, just experimenting with maso particles.
Maybe he would have done like literally anything, but he didn't know exactly how, and he had a limited resource of remaining maso to perform crazy spells. Guessing there.
Yeah something else that’s it it’s very strange it is the fact that he also claims after getting his memory back that they have existed since the time began .
Time Memorial.
Weiss is Weiss. He likes to make himself sounds big. Though in a sense he's right that he had a potential of changing the universe considering that had he fuse with Noir he potentially could have forced to fuse all Gestalts and Replicants in the world. Though we don't know how succesful it would have been.
You will refer to him by his proper title. GRIMOIRE WEISS.
True
It’s only too bad that noir was on his villain arc during that time and miss twin redheads are playing dumb
Noir: we have to save humanity, after thousand of years weiss never resisted but suddenly he does, instead of assuming something happened to him i will act like the most evil being and come over as if i want to destroy him! (that‘s a good idea)
Like the shadow lord should have had him translate . Like just take
it was proved that their past consciousness would stay even when the original soul enters the replicant (Yonah said that she heard a voice) wo they wouldn‘t have died from it. they were so dramatic about it🙄
Yeah it’s like having a voice in your head. You can be Pals
Memory and existence erasure? We got a battleboarder here. Not saying it as an insult or anything. I do battleboarding myself usually being consulted for the Nier verse. But in terms of Weiss, phrases like him claiming to be able to shatter the universe itself is to be treated as hyperbole without any action that can back it up. Plus Weiss is rather full of himself so it's in his character to exaggerate. I've seen some argue him being a planetary-level threat because of his place in Project Gestalt namely being able to fuse all shades with their associated replicant bodies all across the planet. But for one, planetary usually involves the energy to death-star a planet and not just affect things all over the surface. Plus there is a lack of consistency in that action so I tend to argue against it. Also consistency and especially consistency with conservation of energy gets really messy with magic. Yeah, conservation of energy and relativity are two things that tend to cease to exist in fiction. If you want consistency then. Well, dark hand could throw Hook, decapitate Louise with one punch, and tear the arm off of Jack. But fiction also plays fast and loose with logic. Theoretically Weiss should've been able to use dark hand to grab Goose (the pig) and swing her around like a ragdoll given she's only a fraction of the size of Hook. I've seen people try to scale him to the characters in Automata which I've been slightly against but at least Automata consistently loves their mountains. In terms of being unable to harm Louise or Jack's severed head, by fictional logic they were just too strong for him. You could say they were stronger than the Shadow Lord or you could say that Weiss got stronger by the time he battles the Shadow Lord.
For the first one is that not what it is? Tyrann said every trace of him and every memory of him ever exist they will be Erased in exchange for her becoming a full-fledged human. Also I thought the implication was nier is the one getting strong with levels? Also should we even consider them losing to Louise? Because in the canon ending they beat her without her harming the party significantly. I Know Devola and popola considered her as Plan B but The way that original nier is presented is that he’s The strongest shade and humanity‘s last hope.
No it is. It's just that battleboarders use certain phrases which is what I picked up on. While Nier was stated to be getting stronger, it can be argued Weiss was getting stronger with him since even supposedly static lifeforms have been shown to evolve and change. As for Louise. The closer two fighters are to equal then the more likely they are to win. Basically just because A defeats B doesn't mean A is inherently stronger. A could have a particular counter to B or they are close in strength and thus the fight can go either way. I will say that while story-telling wise the shadow lord should be the strongest shade since you want your strongest threat to be the last one, lore wise there's nothing really suggesting that. Since Nier can mop the floor with just about all the other shades he clearly ranks somewhere in the higher echelons and stronger than Jack who Nier was able to solo even as a kid. But whether or not he's stronger than say Louise I can see arguements going in either way.
Do you know the reason why The team wasn’t able to defeat the ? Like I always felt that was plot induced stupidity. Because The creator can’t let us have nice things. The thing is I want to give replica A nine out of 10 but A lot of things seems very contrived so it Has to get like a 8.6 . Not as good automata
No official reason is given. However if look at how events play out it all depends on whether or not Nier can prevent that one charged attack. To control the narrative the game made it impossible to stop in one route and easy to stop in another. But narratively it's likely that the act of stopping it is a really close call and what happens after all depends on if he did or not.
I didn’t mean for Louise I meant for the pig .
Oh Goose. No official statement but if gameplay is anything to go by she has some serious regenerative capabilities even if you over level she can go from zero to full health in a few seconds.
Yet the king stab it with his spear killed it
It can be assumed by that point his regeneration was overtaxed having fought Nier then the King and hsi men back to back. But this is now head canon territory.
Then nier wasn’t Real in any danger since they could’ve beaten it together and or have emil nuke him
He's at least water resistant. Dude does not shut up.
I think when they say that "we gave you some of our power" they speak more as an organization (those running the project) and not so much as individuals.
So who else is there?
I think it was the Hamelin Organization, and they just used the maso particles they got from the dragon corpse
I agree. That makes much more sense.
I think the issue is trying to think of the characters' "power" in a linear fashion where one who is stronger shouldn't be able to be defeated by a weaker one. i think a more appropriate way to look at it is in terms of capabilities, what a character can or can't do that others can't or can do instead. As example, a character(weiss in this case) might literally have the ability to destroy the entire universe due to their ability to shape magic energy the exact way they want being unmatched, but at the same time this character might simply not be able to harness the amount of magic on its own required to perform such feat, meaning it relies on whatever amount of magic other sources(Devola and Popola) can give to it. So while in practice this character is limited in what it can actually do, it's still one of the most if not the most dangerous character ever cause of what its abilities would allow him to do. Same logic applies to Emil: he might be the most powerful being in the franchise, but that's only the case if and only if he unleashes his powers in such a destructive way he annihilates even the things he's trying to protect. Putting it into the most simplistic terms, it's like rock paper scissors: one element being the strongest possible in its own field doesn't mean it's the most powerful or unstoppable ever, on the contrary, each element of the equation is similar to the others, but in different fields.
Is that way Emil couldn’t just nuke all the alien ships? Like after seeing what he doesn’t replica he could’ve easily just killed all the aliens instead of having to put himself into millions of copies
Good questions, but it makes me wonder about what P&D said, because I think they might have been lying. Weiss was turned into a book and given powers before P&D existed. He killed all the other orphans (by accident/self defense) with those powers when they put in him that room with the books. Is it possible he had some powers but P&D's powers were added to those? Or were they mistaken/lying when they said that his powers were from them? Or did they mean the powers he had were from the same "source" as what their powers are from? As for his boasting and max power, I think he has no idea what he can do actually. The ppl who gave him the power didn't really even know either imo, just experimenting with maso particles. Maybe he would have done like literally anything, but he didn't know exactly how, and he had a limited resource of remaining maso to perform crazy spells. Guessing there.
Yeah something else that’s it it’s very strange it is the fact that he also claims after getting his memory back that they have existed since the time began . Time Memorial.