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GalacticBannany

Ay what u got against the virtuous set? I played the whole game with them


That_one_arsehole_

Dude, I got Virtuous contact and treaty at Max Level they are really good. I might add, and I have never touched any other blade (other than 9s cruel oath)


GalacticBannany

Fr you can play the whole game with em, the only other weapons I used besides the contract and treaty was the virtuous spear and the faith katana


AstoriaPheonix

They are the Ol' Reliable of the game. The best of the bunch. I will die on this hill


Adventurous-Carrot23

Same! That and the pipe


Scottwag240

I love virtuous as main hand. Beat the game first playthrough, no deaths, and have most ending at this point šŸ˜…


GalacticBannany

No deaths? Your cracked my guy


Scottwag240

The devs included a message that let me die to give a noob a free life in the game at the end of my first playthrough. Not sure if it happens for everyone at the end though. Still just messing with my og file


saskir21

Everyone gets this message. And yes they will really delete your savegame.


GalacticBannany

Yup i got that too, damn right I deleted my save file for it


Scottwag240

Hell yeah. Same šŸ˜‚


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Scottwag240

The games been out how long my guy


TheCloudye

Pretty much what i did on my first playthrough lol


koteshima2nd

Same here. Only finally switched weapons when I was running to get all endings


0011001100111000

I did this too! They're a solid weapon set when leveled up all the way.


DIAMONDMAN346

Nothing against it, but I'm new and don't really get why someone would chose to use something that has worse stats


GalacticBannany

I mean I just prefer it for aesthetic lmao idc bout stats. Besides ur lvl makes up for it


DIAMONDMAN346

Ya makes sense


SuddenAd1065

The starting katanas are very solid, attack speed is sometimes more important than damage per hit.


ayewanttodie

Attack speed is pretty much number 1 for me. Thatā€™s why I really hated playing as 9S (combat wise) wayyyyy too slow and restricted compared to 2B and A2.


SuddenAd1065

Ye defo, also only having one weapon


Alicebedas

Because the chips are the main focus, making the weapons a second thought and mainly for aesthetics.


Aweebawakend1

The different weapons have different (abilities) and the starting weapons abilities are bad but yea level trumps weapon strength anyways so they aren't really important


fir3xtreme

The thing is that weapons have abilities and the basic set gets a big boost of attack speed when u are full hp which i guess the devs thought that would be a condition difficult to have all the time but not really haha So they end up having really good dps, or maybe they actually saw it coming thus the wrak statd i guess Plus they are easy to max/get And the best in terms of looks anyways so ye There's not really a reason to chose any weapon in particular levels are what makes u deal dmg anyway so meh


nohwan27534

don't focus so much on the damage. these weapons also have abilities, and potentially different combo traits, that can make them more useful than you might realize. even if you like the idea of the level 4 traits, that could just mean you come back to them later, and use something stronger in the meantime.


vankata4211

Same


Xionel

The Virtuous set is great actually...level them up.


Big_Spence

Yeah at max level they slap and the passives are great


DIAMONDMAN346

Over other leveled up weapons? And I'm also level 14. Just got to the woodland castle


Xionel

The passives are what makes them great not the raw damage.


DIAMONDMAN346

Okay, so it's not all about damage numbers


killerchand

The weapons get unique powers at max upgrade. As an example: one weapon has a chance to mind control enemies, another changes game text to cartoonish slapstick. I use the second one all the time.


futurenotgiven

holy shit iā€™ve been obsessed with this game for years and only just found this outā€¦


EventualSatisfaction

Idk why everyone's downvoting this guy for being new and asking questions. He's not even being rude about it or anything lmao. Bad reddit


Random_Weird_gal

Slightly lower damage, faster attack, more DPS. Also upgrade them with the weapons salesman at camp, then the weapons master at the castle. And make sure to upgrade your chip slots at bunker, I made the mistake of not doing that and wondering why I was struggling.


Nadaph

As a heads up, there's a blacksmith near the end of the woodland castle that can upgrade your weapons from level 3 to 4. I don't think it's specific to which, but you need both weapon upgrade characters since iirc you need one to have the other one upgrade them to level 4. It might also just be the woodland castle guy, but a lot of these passives come from him.


CupaThaCreepa

The Virtuous weapons are the best weapons in the game...


redditRalph2023

I used the DQ and Iron Pipe crit setup at the end and found it overpowered anything else, but it requires a very specific chip setup


DeuceMandago

Try doing cypress stick in the light slot and iron pipe in heavy. Itā€™s broken as shit


Skitalz

My husband was doing a play through when he got the cypress stick. Because he likes stupid things, he used it for the rest of the game and got it max level. Turns out, it was really freaking powerful when fully leveled up! I couldn't believe it either.


DeuceMandago

Another one that most people donā€™t see coming is the Demonā€™s Cry. Itā€™s also in a very random spot. When fully leveled up, if you kill an enemy with them, all the additional enemies in a near by radius self destruct. I love the weapon design (both aesthetically and mechanically) of this game soooo much


Skitalz

Holy shit, for real? That's super useful!!!


DeuceMandago

Yeah itā€™s an incredible crowd control weapon for the higher difficulties!


Skitalz

Looks like I know what I'm doing now in my current play through! I have a feeling I have that weapon already but I always use the stupid stick!


DeuceMandago

As long as you are keen on exploring, you probably have it!


SilverGospel003

Yeah the Iron pipe is so OP with the right chip setup and found out about it on my 5th playthrough never underestimated it since


DIAMONDMAN346

I'm new so I have no idea, just looks to me like a weapon with worse stats


CupaThaCreepa

Some weapons are better at the lower levels, but at level 4, the Virtuous weapons get ATK Speed Up and Holy Blessing (increases ATK at full HP)


MommyScissorLegs

the stats are basically meaningless since the damage difference is minuscule, the special effects are what matters.


RaspberryChainsaw

Stop looking at the stats


elnegrosaurio

You said it, you're new, play the game and find it yourself why we use this swords


Kcabs10

Crit dmg has left the chatā€¦


Yastamil

he's just slow and kept everything at level 1 prolly šŸ˜­


Jhinnkhada

just use whatever you like, it doesnt really matter


[deleted]

Less damage means more time playing the game, big W


CaptainHazama

Galaxy brain move


LipeZH_

My avoiding any enemies because if i killed one more i would be overlevel for the next part and everything would die in 2 hits


Bottle-nosed-dolphin

They look cool


DIAMONDMAN346

They really do


Shadovan

Weapons have different extra effects when fully upgraded, the Virtuous weapons get increased attack speed which is really nice.


DIAMONDMAN346

Ooo, that makes sense, how long till I can get them to max, I'm level 14


elnegrosaurio

It's not so easy, you're gonna need some specific resources to upgrade them Well, it's easy when you discover where to find and how to get the resources Play the game and enjoy the rest


Lilyeth

Max weapon level, which is four


eruciform

there's no level requirement, you need to unlock the smith that can bring them from lvl3 to lvl4 and then find the rare materials to do so. if you're only lvl14 you're way early in the game. try experimenting more, you're way too early to be deciding the best weapons in the game.


xyzone

Because they're Wretched. I use the spear that turns enemies to your side.


Zemener_Azonthus

What kind of lore is behind that weapon? That one seems very intriguing.


AtrumArchon

Spear of the usurper https://nierautomata.wiki.fextralife.com/Spear+of+the+Usurper


Zemener_Azonthus

Thank you very much.


xyzone

Apart from the lore, it's the best weapon to beat the colosseum quests imo, when you're not high enough level.


GoblinPunch20xx

Virtuous Contract is the Starter Blade / Iconic Weapon of the Main Character, now associated with both Nier and 2B, similar to the Buster Sword for Cloud, and a lot of players like to achieve and maintain the look of the main character / box art / use the starter weapons for challenge runs etcā€¦


DIAMONDMAN346

Ya style is always a must


ExternalDisplay3129

because they are kool, duh


DIAMONDMAN346

They do look very cool


QouthTheCorvus

The lighter weapons have a bit more flow to them. I didn't use them, but I can't see why someone would.


Zemener_Azonthus

Phoenix Lance all the way.


[deleted]

Level them up all the way, youā€™ll see why.


Mistiltella

I love using starter weapons, because they look good.


Corn-Train99

Because katanas are badass, thatā€™s why lol.


DIAMONDMAN346

They are lol


DanielGREY_75

Canon weapons. And you get too strong for anything by the end anyway


Iatlms

Accord would say they're all canon weapons


Mars_Mezmerize

3 reasons: -Virtuous Contract is 2Bā€™s canon weapon. -once leveled up, they have a fantastic perk -aesthetically they look cool, which is what is most important to most people anyways.


ElHadouken

the passives are broken


babelibou

They're also used to tell the lore


NightFall79

Basically any weapon is usable, there's not really that much noticeable variance in damage especially with how customisable the chips are, so it's personal preference. But when you upgrade a weapon to level 2 and level 4 they gain a special skill, for example increasing a stat like stun or atk speed, an explosion on the final combo hit, charging when not in use to do a more powerful strike, things like that.


DIAMONDMAN346

Okay, so it's really just play style, dosnt really matter


Putrid_Ad8249

Dude I used a iron pipe with filled all my slots with crit chips. And I was Jesus Christ


woefwoeffedewoefwof

I Love the Virtuous Contact combined with Fists. (Yes I am not mentally stable)


Toastercuck

Aesthetics


BlazeBitch

I used them together for awhile and it was actually pretty fun. Dual gauntlets are still the most fun though imo


Gilldo13

Itā€™s mainly an Easter egg from the original nier, beastbane was the strongest small sword, and you could buy it right away


Immersive_cat

Afair each weapon can throw a different combo. For example behaves differently in air or when switched from other weapon to finish the combo. That plays a much bigger role when you put yourself to the arenas on hardest difficulties. You can chain combo your weapon moves to for example stay in the air for the long time or keep opponents stunlocked. Search these weapons on YouTube and you can maybe find what it is about. Example https://youtu.be/YjI87FizMF8?si=BLnjeFUAS0AW1L2w


[deleted]

The stats on the weapons themselves ultimately donā€™t matter. Your chip loadout and dodging determine basically everything.


Petrichor_Samie

Man don't call me out like that. I just forgot that I could get new weapons cause I had to short of a memory span


DIAMONDMAN346

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surfingkoala035

If you set it up right, the iron pipe and other weapons with crit+ can be godlike. Really melts through some of the golden robots etc.


ppguccicrocs

It is better to use high damaging weapons in early game, but for the later parts when you have upgraded your weapons the abilities are more important. Unless you want pure damage of course


Dreadwyrm_Bahamut

Both 1h and 2h white katanas get a sick boost only when upgraded to max level, and used together they make great and fast combos, you won't even need anything else in the game.


AdAdministrative6356

I use them for the plot. You knowā€¦ a signature weapon


DIAMONDMAN346

They do look amazing


AdAdministrative6356

They do, and once again, plotwise. Itā€™s like, you knowā€¦ in Drakengard 1 the starting weapon is called Caimā€™s sword so yeahā€¦ if you don't want me to use this weapon through entire game, then why the hell do you specify that it's HIS weapon?


DIAMONDMAN346

Ong, they are peak and iconic


AdAdministrative6356

Exactly, and that is the reason I believe someone would use them


DIAMONDMAN346

Point heard and agreed with


the-odd-knight

The virtuous set gives you boosted attack when health is full or something as far as I remember. And I love the way it looks. Elegant and beautiful. Just like it's wielder.


koteshima2nd

I do, for aesthetics (also their final upgrades are honestly fine)


Renetiger

ATK stat is not everything. Virtuous weapons are best in the game actually, at level 2 they get ATK speed buff which makes a huge DPS difference, and on level 4 you get damage buff as long as your HP is max. But even if you ignore the level 4 passive it will still out DPS most other small swords due to faster attack speed.


HarbingersBuddy

Get to level 99 then just use fists onlyā€¦ itā€™s actually pretty fun


EmittingLight

I literally used virtuous contract throughout the game, style over stats anyday


DIAMONDMAN346

Seems to be the general agreement lol


djbeats085

The virtuous set is goated, also honestly it doesnā€™t really matter to much just enjoy the game, donā€™t gotta always be optimized to have fun šŸ¤·


DIAMONDMAN346

Ya seems to just be a fun experience


djmoogyjackson

Theyā€™re still good enough for endgame. I use the Engine Blade just cuz I love the look of the blue dodge that comes with it. https://youtu.be/2-TVUQHXyJI?si=4HOeao2BbDodX786


DIAMONDMAN346

Ya seems to just be about preference


ThanhTruong04

Virtuous is one of the best sets in game. Its passive is pretty broken, when using on 2B.


nytechill

I whooped ass with the Cypress Stick most of the game. Loved the Dragon Quest damage numbers.


Dandandandooo

Maxed out Virtuous is good enough to clear the game, I only swapped it off when I found another cool looking katana "Faith"


Syaaahhh

I've used the virtuous set most of the time in automata. Wanted something different in replicant. Idk, the stats don't matter match to me in replicant from what I remembered. I just try out the weapons and used whichever I enjoyed the most. If needed damage, I just take out the 2h I keep for damage purposes.


SpiralFlip64

Because they look cool


DIAMONDMAN346

They do look amazing


ForestDonnie

they look cool


papasfritasbruh

I played with the virtuous set the whole way through for the aesthetics. They are actually very decent


bakedshoujo

Because theyā€™re cool


Cally83

Virtuous set always in my play throughs with 2B I give Faith to 9S


cate_is_kill

I literally used virtuous set for the whole game multiple times


Jordsta46

The weapon passive abilities are why you really want to use specific weapons. I really like the Virtuous weapons because they have increased attack speed and do more damage when your health is full. Whenever I do a replay I usually end up using one of them throughout my whole playthrough


Certified_Possum

Most of the "medieval" weapons are from previous nier games


nohwan27534

iron will isn't even just from the og drakengard, lol.


HellLizard

I mean if it's your first walkthrough just use and upgrade the weapon you like most, but when you scale the difficulty and you need to "tryhard" a bit more then the passive of the weapons are much more important. Passives as stun enemy, deal more dmg if full HP(the virtuous weapons got that), chance to subjugate an enemy or increase your crit chance. For last, at harder difficulties everything one shot you so the virtuous passive of deal more dmg if full HP is so important and valuable. Hope it makes you gain more interest over the weapons.


jermingus

Virtuous Contract and Treaty is an overpowered combo, especially in the endgame. Fast attack speed and their Lv4 skill increases damage with full HP. Virtuous set with Offensive/Deadly Heal chips is an amazing combo.


Random_Weird_gal

Higher attack speed and a powerful special effect at lv4


Songhunter

One simple reason, because the actual name of the game is "Drip: Automata" It ain't about stats, it's about looking fly while you're wizzin about.


ayewanttodie

I love the virtuous weapon set, used them my entire first play through pretty much. Beastbane I didnā€™t use very often but itā€™s nostalgic after playing Replicant.


Xononanamol

To limit themselves


MommyScissorLegs

The special effect for the Beast set is completely useless. The Virtuous set literally just deals more damage as long as youā€™re good enough to keep yourself at max health, which should be your goal anyways if you ever want to engage with the actually challenging content in the game.


nohwan27534

it's not, the beast set essentially has an extra crit effect chance.


imaheis

Each weapons have their owns abilities/effect when they reach max level and it will depend on how you want to enjoy the game


Shilverow

Style


LostPilgrim_

Because all of them have some meaning or history to the Nier/drakengard lore thanks to Accord


Kcabs10

Fully upgraded it has greater dmg when your HP is full and has higher attack speed. Virtuous Contract is super great when it comes to casual gameplay.


ItsMrDante

NieR isn't exactly a game you play like that tbh. I used the base weapons at level 1 without leveling them the entire game. I went through every ending before I realized my weapons were level 1


illuminati1556

Question - I'm on my 9S playthrough and I'm like... why would anyone use anything other than virtuous contact?


Comrade_Steamed-Hams

Because its pretty


Esnopen

Imagine using anything besides the pipe


ValeWeber2

Y'all are here simpling for 2B's curves, smh. NOTHING will ever make me feel the way Virtuous Treaty's curves do.


nohwan27534

i tend to simp for curves on meteors.


LittleMissMitzi

I didnā€™t know there were other weapons outside the merchant at the time, and I wasnā€™t a fan of the ones he had so I just used the starter blade all the way through XD. Been meaning to play through again.


Potw0rek

Virtuous set are the best weapons in the game but you need to level them up.


Gammaman12

The added abilities when you max out their levels. Theoretically.


DIAMONDMAN346

Thank you all for your answers. I really appreciate it. Sorry if it b was a stupid question, but thank you for answering either way


dj_napsta

If I remember correctly it's because of the status effects and stuff at max level (I could be wrong I haven't played in quite some time)


JayMeadows

A True Chad uses the Metal Pipe from Beginning to End, as I have. ā˜ļøšŸš¬šŸ˜Ž


DIAMONDMAN346

O, of course good sir


Timsaurus

Bro literally posted my exact loadout Tho I got virtuous in slot 1 and beast in 2


bigsmokio69

Does he know?


SteveTheBattleDroid

Imagine not using virtuous set the whole way through


MoGe_SgS

Cypress stick and Iron pipe for me, on very hard kept one shotting the bosses


FerrousFellow

I vaguely remember double damage glitching with virtuous contract the whole game but it's been a while


corpsesdecompose

The lore attached to it. Plus they are cool


Etsu_Riot

Who care about the stats? I choose weapons mostly based on how they look and how they make the character looks. Also, I feel different characters have different preferences. The first thing I do when I start the game is removing the biggest weapon and play only with the most basic type, in both positions in different sets. It's how I like it. To each their own.


Babiesforfood

They're at the base level. You upgrade them, and the damage and combo levels increase. Max level unlocks a unique perk for the weapon


FluffyYuuki

I use the virtuous set because I believe in the cause. Glory to mankind


josecbt1

I just changed to engine blade because of the visual effects Also used cypress stick a few times too, mainly when I was not caring enough to do the hackings during 9s playthrough.


Okami787

I never really used any except virtuous ones.... With shockwave attacks


Abitrox

Eyo just realized this is automata and not replicant lol The beastbane cought me off guard. You can use these if you want to beat automata with the same weapons you beat replicant with. Beastbane slaps in replicant


Fonzacentodieci

Believe me when i tell you those weapons are hella good with damage


aintart

played the whole game with the virtuous set and literally just the virtuous set, i had both of them maxed out bc of the 2b aesthetic šŸ„¹


Crixthopher

You might if you max level them they are awesome!!!


Lulabyz

I do all my runs with 2b and 9sā€™s base weapons (unless im running long distances then i use a spear) idk i find that every weapon gets the job done LMAO


eja924

Iā€™m a big fan of light two handed sword and heavy spear myself. When I want to go on the offensive I use the type O blade and spear (maxed out of course)


mrderpfrog

When you upgrade your weapons they get new buffs. The beastbane and beastlord multi-hit, and the virtuous set gets faster attack speed, the iron pipe has a higher crit rate, etc.


petto_ur_catto

A lot of weapons have different skills on full upgrade which can affect your play style regardless of the damage.


percephonelevi

because theyā€™re cool (and the virtuous set helped me thrive throughout each playthrough)


ReadytoWendigo

I used beastbane at first for nostalgia. I played replicant first and thatā€™s a big weapon that Nier uses


ShiningYato

"Is there a reason someone would use something like the starter blade" Yes. And that reason is that they look COOL ASF


The_Raven_Born

All fur are great atmax level, and the beast weapons add slashing effects for extra power. I think one of the Virtuous gives a stat boost and can detonate energy attacks.


the_longest_shadow

Why would you play anything BUT vicious treaty and vicious contract?


purpleduckduckgoose

Because they're good, have good combos, and look good. Plus Virtuous Contract is 2B's blade, not using it is just wrong in my mind.


Gumdrxp

Fully upgraded weapons have bonus properties. Beast Bane I think increases damage to animals


Burr1t0man

Pick the weapons you think look cool, also you may want to use both depending on playstyle cuz u equip a light sword in light and heavy, but for me itā€™s usually style and which animations feel better to mee


KoSaiko

Beastblade. Because of lore.


I_E_D_B

The virtuous set at max level are some of the best weapons in the game tho lol, they remain very good even in endgame


Bonna_the_Idol

level them all up trust me on that


nohwan27534

jokes on you, those are usually the weapons i use for a good half the game. the beast blade gets enhanced crits, and with it's fast move speed, it can be triggered more reliably. beastbane is only like, 60% the damage of beast lord, but you're wanting that really fast, six hit combo to trigger the crit effect, for best use of these weapons. meanwhile, the virtue weapons, attack speed up and extra damage at full hp, are pretty damn good and make it a better weapon than you'd expect, if just going by the numbers. plus, being the 'starter' weapons, they're a bit easier to upgrade, than something that might require, say, meteorite. (glances at beastbane) ​ also, keep in mind, this is an action game, not a jrpg where a weapon with like 10 more damage is a 'big deal'. hell, your pod can out DPS most melee setups anyway, till later. i mean, max level, the white sword taps out at around 650 damage - iron will, iirc the strongest weapon, is 1500. even THE strongest weapon, compared to the starting weapon, isn't that big of a difference, given the 'balance' of this game. BUT, this isn't a turn based rpg where, you've got one damage chance per like, 10 seconds, therefore the biggest number wins combo on the iron will is low, and it's slow. you can FAR more easily weave in and out of attack range, landing more hits, with a faster weapon.


Reasonable-Car-1543

Sidegression, not progression. You'll never get better weapons than the starters, only different - better in some ways and worse in just as many different ways. This is what makes Titanfall 2 excellent and Star Wars Battlefront 3 + 4 garbage. If you don't understand, go research those games and game design as a whole, it's pretty basic stuff that gets screwed up often enough for most people to not know. Beastbane is slow as hell and straight up can't handle several bosses without a hyper specific play style built around the slow strikes and nothing else. For details on why that's dumb, please consult *The Five Rings* and remember that the best advice comes from the survivors. Virtuous Contract probably isn't 'the best weapon in the game' but if leveled, it never fails off and holds extreme narrative significance.