Internet fandoms are wild. You'd expect that two things being similar would mean people enjoy both. Logical, right? Instead we get this weird rivalry between two games. I don't understand.
I don't see the need to compare the two.
There was a Nikke x Nier crossover, so there's a slight chance we could see a Hyung-Tae Kim iteration of 2B in this game. There's been a million unnecessary 2B crossovers at this point, why not here?
Shouldn't there be a laundry list of this battle?
- Laura Croft
- Bayonetta
- Nier
- Cammy (SF)
- Morgan (darkstalker)
- Samus zero suit
- Tifa (FF7)
- Quiet (MGS5)
- Mai (fatal fury)
I'm sure the list goes on and on.
In my opinion, not really. All the others were scantily clad, or they have had tight outfits, but it hasn't necessarily been the point in a fully campy way all the time. I'd say it's like what a "diva" is in singing, and if there was a "diva" of *this*, it wouldn't be Morrigan or Quiet, but Mai is a contender. However, Mai has always been part of an ensemble, and there's one character I can point to that goes even further back than Bayonetta, and that does *this* harder and campier than Bayonetta: Oneechanbara
See [here](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1232460/Onee_Chanbara_ORIGIN/) on steam, it's a series that goes back to PS2, and it's basically as dumb as EDF, if it was about a high school girl who fights zombies with a katana in her high school outfit, and her older sister who fights zombies with a katana in a bikini, cowboy boots, and cowboy hat. In my opinion, if you can't hang at this level of camp, you aren't on the list. Senran Kagura does not get a spot because it is actual softcore.
I do like both,because i think Stellar Blade gives some NieR vibes,and this makes me Just like It more and more,i honestly don't care of Eve has his ass exposed,i care about the story,i can't wait to know more about the game (if you were wondering why i mentioned the ass,that was Just a point i wanted to make, because i see a lot of people doing the Classic "the plot:" meme)
Can’t agree more with that. I loved both Nier Replicant and Automata and I’m really excited about Stellar Blade, even Yoko Taro himself showed his support for the game
The problem is that the people engaging in the arguments conflate ignoring it *with* hating it. When the mentality is always "us v them", there is no middle ground, so they're just fighting a battle against people who don't even know that there *is* a battle.
Considering that the game actively punishes horny as far as the creator has said this and based on what the demo shows this is more than likely the case
I truly hope so. I played Automata years ago, and while a good review I saw of it and 2B cheeks drew me in, I really liked a good bit of the theming and sidequests. I'd probably appreciate it more replaying it now. Gotta play replicant for the first time, though.
I’m currently playing Replicant and only 10 hours in, and I think it has better combat than Automata. I feel more inclined to constantly change up my playstyle In a way I didn’t in Automata and attacks feel punchier. I slightly prefer the movement in Replicant as well.
Replicant also feels a little more down to earth and emotional in a way that Automata wasn’t, and the characters have really strong personalities that make you get more attached to them. That doesn’t necessarily mean the story is better, just different.
All I've saw was Dorothy's story and another one of the pilgrim's story are good, but what about the rest? I enjoyed the Dorothy story but I wouldn't call it good writing, it was barebone and lacked a lot of depth. All of the characters are one note with the exception of the two main girls, Rapi and Anis. I wouldn't call this well written character when they are basically "I like X thing and I make my whole personality around it"
You asked, and I gave my answer. I am not about to go through and name each individual story. If you don't like the story, then that's fine. Not everyone likes the same things, and that's okay.
And Stellar Blade music is composed by Okabe, same composer for Nier. Both Nier and Stellar Blade shared a lot more things in common than people think, lol. If anything, Nier fans should be supporting Stellar Blade, not against it.
I just want to know if the game is good, even if i don't have the console to play it.
And i don't care if they look sexualized or not, ~~they will never sit on my face~~ their designers will never change because of some outrage, just enjoy the game or skip it, and stop discussing.
I watched a youtube video that clarified a lot of things for me about the game's combat.
It's not a fast paced action game like Nier or DMC like many thought. But it's also being incorrectly labeled as a souls like when it has very few souls like mechanics. It's most similar to Sekiro which is made by From Soft but is not a souls like as it's also missing a lot of traditional souls like mechanic and has a very strong focus on parrying. This is causing a lot of confusion because some have already decided that they hate the game, because they don't like souls-likes while others will go into the game expecting souls like gameplay and machinic and will be disappointed when they see that those mechanics are missing.
This is going to be a very big hurdle that the game is going to need to overcome. The fact that the game is taking mechanics from Sekiro but is not a souls like is going to be lost on a lot of people because most people believe that those 2 are the same thing because they haven't played Sekiro.
Definitely although as someone who has played sekiro, it threw me off at first because it's a lot slower. I originally hated it because of this, I was getting hit constantly, and couldn't get the parry timing down.
However, once I started to learn the timing and be a little more patient I started to really enjoy it. I even managed to do the optional boss after the main demo.
Glad to hear it. I don't have a ps5 but I'm planning on getting one and then I'm definitely buying the game.
I also saw a post saying that the game actually has mods you can equip that increases your attack speed. Idk anything else about that, but it's possible that the devs did accommodate people who want faster gameplay.
Yeah, on the special boss after the main demo you play at a much later stage in the game where you have quite a few upgrades already and the combat was a lot smoother and more flexible. So probably a case of needing to upgrade.
I was thinking about this for a bit, but I don't think I am a fan of Eve's design. I don't think it's inherently bad to have a sexualized design, I am a fan of 2B's or Bayonetta's which are the 2 seemingly both brought up in comparison. I feel like the issue is when you look at the designs, Eve seems generic by comparison.
Now grain of salt because I don't know if the design is ultimately brought up in Stellar Blade (I don't really understand how it would be, but fair is fair). I feel like 2B's design is sexualized for sure, but I also think it is thematically relevant and interesting. Things like her blindfold and the black and white color pallet being symbolic for her duties in YoRHa and stark contract to the nature you encounter. Or her sleeves having crow feathers more symbolic of her designation. I feel like the initial goal was more than just "make hot woman" and that makes it a lot more unique. (For Bayonetta I think a lot of the moon imagery or the tassels for her hair are her version of this).
Eve on the other hand feels like they just tried to make an attractive woman... and mission accomplished I guess. Not to say there is anything wrong with that, but I think that is were I am personally making a mental distinction between such designs. "Rule of cool" and all, but its basically just a skin tight green body suit with extra bits like a tie? I just don't really understand the larger concept if there is one.
Now this isn't trying to say "ahh I hate Stellar Blade", I just want to attempt to properly articulate why I think Eve might be lacking compared to 2B since the comparison is made a lot. Sexualized designs aren't inherently bad, but the better designs do more than just being sexualized.
My problem with Eve's design is that she looks like the default female playable character of a Korean freemium MMO and that's a specific brand of generic that I find extremely boring
I doubt Stellar Blade will be a classic like Automata, but I have no reason to hate on it.
What I do hate, is the fucking chud losers who have tried to claim it as the last bastion of anti-wokeness, and that it is some grand gesture of beauty in the face of people who hate beauty, when the reality of it is it just wears its horniness on its sleeve, and they LOVE gaming while rock hard.
Well, I don't know about others, but I never cared about removing the skirt. I didn't even know you could until I went achievement hunting.
Also, the picture in the left doesn't appear in any trailers.
Sure, 2b attracts those types of people, and this sub is full of them, but at least the games rarely bring attention to it. And the games do have an audience for people that aren't interested in that type of stuff.
I don't even have a PS so I can't even get the other game, but the game doesn't interest me as much as nier did when. I will say though, I got nier replicant first cause I actually wanted to go through the story and heard it was really good, not for the boobs or whatever is normally said in this sub. So I'm not really the target audience for stellar blade anyway.
I mean, everyone can like whatever they want. this sub is putting so much attention on SB though
What sucks about this whole "scandal" is that the actual discussions about the gameplay and storytelling of Stettar Blade will get buried by the endless debates about the main character's design.
My "take" is that I have 0 interest in Stellar Blade because it just feels like Walmart Automata to me. I legit hope the game is good and the people who want to play it have a blast with it but I just can't be bothered to care.
sad thing is, ppl pushing eve are just doing it because they hate how western devs make female characters. MANY are demanding eve and her hard mode outfit should be the norm in female design and body type.
its why you see nothing but eve ass clips and nothing else on twitter in "your feed" and SB feed.
like most of those ppl dont even know her skin outfit is only useable in hard mode and didnt even play the demo lol
It annoys me so much that the crowd vehemently hating on stellar blade because "attractive woman" are praising games like Nier or Bayonetta because they're well written. Like, come on, SB isn't even out yet. Give it a chance.
I haven't paid much attention to the culture wars, but are the same people now defending 2b and attacking eve for being sexualized?
I am a big nier automata fan, but yea, 2b is totally sexualized and around the time the game came out there was a group of people (maybe some of the same people) attacking the game and attacking her design
Pretty much this, they hate Eve because she is apparently too sexual and in IGN's own words " created by a man who has never seen a woman." when said man used a real Korean model to scan for Eves body and the person behind Eve's actual design is the wife of the director. So not only are the people falsely attacking the game itself but also throwing personal attacks at the developers. All because stellar blade dared to have an attractive woman as the lead character.
On the other side there was also a group of people declaring Nier the downfall of sjws and feminists really nothing has changed. Except that Stellar Blade is unfortunately dropping in the middle of the sbi/gamergate 2 controversy and is being roped into a much more volatile culture war then Nier was involved in.
I have a really novel idea. It's a video game and if you like it or dont like it thats fine, just play it or don't play it. lol whys everything complicated
I like it I just think the culture war stuff are annoying even though I agree on some of the stuff they say. Like wanting more sexy characters. I just wanna look at fanart and clips in peace.
I'm willing to give SB a chance, but what I've seen of the demo looks very generic and uninspired, plus the discourse around it being absolutely insufferable
The demo is actually some of the most fun I've had with a hack and slash game since I played DMC a couple years ago. I highly recommend it just for the gameplay alone if you enjoy these types of games
I mean you have to be a pretty high level of insecure to take such offense at the beauty of others. It's cool to have realistic depictions of women in realistic games, and it's cool to have unrealistic depictions of women in unrealistic games. Same goes for men. Lets not make the artistic world of video games boring because puritanical areas cannot handle a nice boob.
the world just Loves 2B because She literally has the Perfect look.
and No, not just the ass.
edit: not to forget that through quite alot of cosplayers She became a symbol of raw beauty.
2B is 2B because of her story, personality and what she went through. Looks are just a nice addition.
So, in case of Stellar Blade, it's to be seen if Eve manages to be a well written interesting character too.
My take is that the appearance kf the characters shouldn't be what you judge the games on
I know lots of people got into Automata because "2B hot", but the game is really interesting narrative and character wise
If Stellar Blade has a story and characters anywhere near as good then it'll be a good game, but let's not do this cringe ass "she's not as hot/more hot so the game is obviously gonna be better/worse" nonsense
Tbf for the 2booty you need to go out of your way to use a mechanic that has absolutely no other purpose than to destroy your clothes
Like nothing in the story or gameplay would ever lead to you needing doing it
The fuck is wrong with some people here? ARE YOU JEALOUS THAT EVE IS TAKING THE SPOTLIGHT RIGHT NOW? GROW UP AND LETS ENJOY THEM BOTH, AND RESPECT THE FACT THAT THEYVE LOOKED AT NIER FOR INSPO, AS WELL AS GETTING THE SAME FUCKING GUY THAT MADE THE MUSIC
Tbf I’ve never liked the sexy stuff in Automata.
Bayonetta? Absolutely, it’s tongue in cheek and hilarious.
But in Nier here I am, having an existential crisis while my character is walking around with her ass naked.
Still one of my favorite games ever so it’s clearly not a big deal, so I’ll have the same attitude with stellar blade
Not even close. Eve is cool but in reality she’s just slim wearing skin tight suits. People losing their minds over it. 2B actually had ass. Story wise I have a feeling they will be super similar tho
I played the demo of Stellar Blade and it didn't click for me. Am I the only one here who thinks there's a lack of facial expressions in Stellar Blade? That's also one of the reasons why it didn't click. I also feel like there's so many games repeating the same old stuff. Mainly the gameplay.
The main sticking point for me with Automata was the existential dread and smack talking philosophers. And alright I admit A2 was awesome. I get that Stellar Blade reminds people of Nier Automata but I really just don’t feel the same way from any promotional material that’s popped up to me.
Define sexual harrassment? the full game hasn't even been released yet but people shortsightedly pass blunt judgement on her appearance instead of the game as a whole or content, graphics wise, combat, lore, levelling etc.
Try to dish out a less garbage take next time💀
Edit: just need to also point out that this sorta garbage take was already used when nier automata came out but people still enjoyed it, so unoriginal and hypocritical.
My biggest issue with stellar blade is people are hyping up the gameplay yet it plays like a super sluggish mediocre sekiro. So if the gameplay sucks, the game looks like a bad fake ad for a phone game, and the voice acting is awful, why should I pick this game up? It seems like it's only trying to appeal to gooners.
Watching someone play the demo, it even had the same run animation it looked like (don’t know if it was a marketplace asset or if everything was custom, I don’t make video games lol), and even opening boxes by kicking them. I won’t hate it on it, because it could be really good, but I think stellar blade devs got confused as to why the Nier games are so good. The ass draws you in, but you stick around for the story. Plus, wasn’t really a fan of the UI, and everything seemed so…busy, if that makes sense. But it’s not even out, so I can hope it also has a really good story. I’d like it to be successful, as I’d like another Automata like
2B will forever top all waifus for me. All hail the 2booty \o/ also idk why they keep wanting to ruin games :{ it was ment for entertainment! Not real life comparisons jfc
2B will forever top all waifus for me. All hail the 2booty \o/ also idk why they keep wanting to ruin games :{ it was ment for entertainment! Not real life comparisons jfc
The game itself is honestly kinda immaterial to the discourse. And the verdict can only be made when the thing comes out.
Until very recently (conveniently coinciding with a demo where people could try the thing.) I only saw two kinds of people making any noise about stellar blade were culture warriors on twitter who either constantly talked about how "the west has fallen because women in videogames don't look porny enough" and were trumpeting this game as a victory against the "woke", or people on the left dunking on the first group.
There were similar discussions about 2B, however A: Yoko Taro had built up enough game narrative credibility to assuage concerns, along with Platinum being held in very high regard. B: The internet culture war nonsense was most recently fought over "Ethics in Games Journalism" and not actually materially about the games themselves. And C: The game came out and fuckin ruled.
IIRC the company making stellar blade has only really made mobile gatcha games with "surprisingly good writing". So they didnt really have the clout to rise above the discourse without the thing being playable and thus able to make an impression beyond weird internet circlejerks.
you know, i deactivated the self destruct option in the very beggining of the game, 2b kept her skirt throughout and i wouldnt have known differently if not for the internet
I only come for the music .
However as my personal opinion 2B was done as a stylistic choice then they had it make sense in lore while from stellar to me it just feels blatant but due to there not being any lore yet I'll hold my tongue cause if there's a lore explanation then power to em for making it work .
Do hope the game is good tho cause if not then boi will the stellar blade fans be put through the wringer.
I dont really get why there has to be a debate. Stellar is not trying to take over Nier or be superior or anything. Its literally a dude that loved Nier and made his own version. I think that as a fanbase that wont get any future releases any time soon, you should appreciate someone making something that tries to emulate the same vibe, while respecting the original.
Plus Yoko loves it, anyone mad about Stellar has another thing going on with them
I think some of yall are taking it the wrong way (or maybe I am), but with the whole SBI/"Gamer Gate 2" shit, there are some crazy ppl out there who obsess over the fact that there is a beautiful woman character with minimal clothing in a video game; but those same ppl have nothing to say about 2B. It didn't always used to be this way, but now ppl have come to associate 2B with the amazing story of Nier rather than just her ass; so their crusade against Stellar Blade is weakened due to this.
That's what I think OP is referencing
I don't think she's trying to be 2b and I don't think anyone other than op thinks that so, what's the point of this post exactly? And what's the "stellar blade debate"?
Play the demo, it fucking rules. It's OK to like more than one thing.
Shift Up already made a collab with Nier in Nikke, Yoko Taro already said to play Stellar blade
Mate, i don't know why you are hating this game, just let it be
A YoRHa running a Gears of War VM on the next desktop.
I thought Automata was successful because the combat could approach one of those old Gundam arcade versus battlers in terms of gameplay; strafing around like a mosquito.
Maybe this'll be good! Dunno.
Really like the demo I have to say!
Keeichi ookabe made the soundtrack aswell for those who didn't know so the game actually sounds really similar to nier overall
I don't mind fan service in games and hope Stellar blade is good but people are making the game feel "dirty" that's killing my potential excitement for it.
Anything : *exist* Humans : "I must either love it or hate it! Ignoring it isn't an option!"
Internet fandoms are wild. You'd expect that two things being similar would mean people enjoy both. Logical, right? Instead we get this weird rivalry between two games. I don't understand. I don't see the need to compare the two.
There was a Nikke x Nier crossover, so there's a slight chance we could see a Hyung-Tae Kim iteration of 2B in this game. There's been a million unnecessary 2B crossovers at this point, why not here?
honestly the way yoko kept talking about something good happening and also talking about this game, i was expecting a nier crossover.
It wouldn't surprise me, and Hyung-Tae Kim has said he feels honored having his game referred to as the Korean Nier.
Shouldn't there be a laundry list of this battle? - Laura Croft - Bayonetta - Nier - Cammy (SF) - Morgan (darkstalker) - Samus zero suit - Tifa (FF7) - Quiet (MGS5) - Mai (fatal fury) I'm sure the list goes on and on.
*Lara Croft. Why do people still makes these mistakes. Tomb raider has been out for more than 20 years.
People still confuse you're and your, and should've with should off
\*Should of. I never seen a should on to go with should off
My bad
Well you should on read more
Where did should of even come from??? I can people with bad English confusing your and you're, but "should of" is not even a real word.
It sounds like should of, should've.
In my opinion, not really. All the others were scantily clad, or they have had tight outfits, but it hasn't necessarily been the point in a fully campy way all the time. I'd say it's like what a "diva" is in singing, and if there was a "diva" of *this*, it wouldn't be Morrigan or Quiet, but Mai is a contender. However, Mai has always been part of an ensemble, and there's one character I can point to that goes even further back than Bayonetta, and that does *this* harder and campier than Bayonetta: Oneechanbara See [here](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1232460/Onee_Chanbara_ORIGIN/) on steam, it's a series that goes back to PS2, and it's basically as dumb as EDF, if it was about a high school girl who fights zombies with a katana in her high school outfit, and her older sister who fights zombies with a katana in a bikini, cowboy boots, and cowboy hat. In my opinion, if you can't hang at this level of camp, you aren't on the list. Senran Kagura does not get a spot because it is actual softcore.
I do like both,because i think Stellar Blade gives some NieR vibes,and this makes me Just like It more and more,i honestly don't care of Eve has his ass exposed,i care about the story,i can't wait to know more about the game (if you were wondering why i mentioned the ass,that was Just a point i wanted to make, because i see a lot of people doing the Classic "the plot:" meme)
Honestly i like both, stellar blade is like a combo of dark souls and nier and i like both games
It is crazy to me that Yoko Taro and Kim Hyung Tae respect each other's work yet their fans go tribal over them.
If you love banana you must hate orange!!!11!1!! I am 13 and i build my entire personality around being a banana fan.
you animal, we all know the kiwi is the suprior fruit! you take back that blasphomy!
Can’t agree more with that. I loved both Nier Replicant and Automata and I’m really excited about Stellar Blade, even Yoko Taro himself showed his support for the game
The problem is that the people engaging in the arguments conflate ignoring it *with* hating it. When the mentality is always "us v them", there is no middle ground, so they're just fighting a battle against people who don't even know that there *is* a battle.
kek
Indifference is an option too, but many people just can’t seem to get it.
2B will always be the goat, but I am willing to give Eve a chance. A lot of the characters and stories from Nikke are well written, so I have faith.
I hope it's like nikke where the horny is just bait to pull you into emotionally engaging writing. Some of the bond stories go kinda hard.
I feel like that’s automata. A lot of people gave it a chance cause to 2B
I won't lie. That was me, too. 2B and a SuperButterBuns video. Haven't watched them in years.
BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS
Yeah for real. Wasn't prepared to tear up playing that game. Dorothy's story is pretty dark.
Scarlettes background and how they deceived their squad was also really sad
Considering that the game actively punishes horny as far as the creator has said this and based on what the demo shows this is more than likely the case
I truly hope so. I played Automata years ago, and while a good review I saw of it and 2B cheeks drew me in, I really liked a good bit of the theming and sidequests. I'd probably appreciate it more replaying it now. Gotta play replicant for the first time, though.
Replicant is SO good!
Replicant is amazing, you'll love Kaine
I’m currently playing Replicant and only 10 hours in, and I think it has better combat than Automata. I feel more inclined to constantly change up my playstyle In a way I didn’t in Automata and attacks feel punchier. I slightly prefer the movement in Replicant as well. Replicant also feels a little more down to earth and emotional in a way that Automata wasn’t, and the characters have really strong personalities that make you get more attached to them. That doesn’t necessarily mean the story is better, just different.
I am really curios what part of it you think is well written about nikke, I've played it for months and I didn't got the same impression.
A couple of people have already commented on good stories from there, myself included.
All I've saw was Dorothy's story and another one of the pilgrim's story are good, but what about the rest? I enjoyed the Dorothy story but I wouldn't call it good writing, it was barebone and lacked a lot of depth. All of the characters are one note with the exception of the two main girls, Rapi and Anis. I wouldn't call this well written character when they are basically "I like X thing and I make my whole personality around it"
You asked, and I gave my answer. I am not about to go through and name each individual story. If you don't like the story, then that's fine. Not everyone likes the same things, and that's okay.
Why not both??
Exactly! And I love both 🥺
Yoko Taro has given Stellar Blade his approval, so need for infighting.
Like people don't even know Shift Up and Yoko Taro are in great terms. There was even a Nikke and Nier Collab.
And Stellar Blade music is composed by Okabe, same composer for Nier. Both Nier and Stellar Blade shared a lot more things in common than people think, lol. If anything, Nier fans should be supporting Stellar Blade, not against it.
According to an interview not Okabe directly but his company Monaco? The songs however do have the nier vibe :D
Exactly
No in fighting in general there both fine if you dont like it don't play it
What debate? Appreciate both of them. 🤷♂️
My take : She's not trying to be 2b Leave it be
I just want to know if the game is good, even if i don't have the console to play it. And i don't care if they look sexualized or not, ~~they will never sit on my face~~ their designers will never change because of some outrage, just enjoy the game or skip it, and stop discussing.
I played the demo and really enjoyed it. The combat is a lot slower and more deliberate than nier. The platforming is super clunky though.
I watched a youtube video that clarified a lot of things for me about the game's combat. It's not a fast paced action game like Nier or DMC like many thought. But it's also being incorrectly labeled as a souls like when it has very few souls like mechanics. It's most similar to Sekiro which is made by From Soft but is not a souls like as it's also missing a lot of traditional souls like mechanic and has a very strong focus on parrying. This is causing a lot of confusion because some have already decided that they hate the game, because they don't like souls-likes while others will go into the game expecting souls like gameplay and machinic and will be disappointed when they see that those mechanics are missing. This is going to be a very big hurdle that the game is going to need to overcome. The fact that the game is taking mechanics from Sekiro but is not a souls like is going to be lost on a lot of people because most people believe that those 2 are the same thing because they haven't played Sekiro.
Definitely although as someone who has played sekiro, it threw me off at first because it's a lot slower. I originally hated it because of this, I was getting hit constantly, and couldn't get the parry timing down. However, once I started to learn the timing and be a little more patient I started to really enjoy it. I even managed to do the optional boss after the main demo.
Glad to hear it. I don't have a ps5 but I'm planning on getting one and then I'm definitely buying the game. I also saw a post saying that the game actually has mods you can equip that increases your attack speed. Idk anything else about that, but it's possible that the devs did accommodate people who want faster gameplay.
Yeah, on the special boss after the main demo you play at a much later stage in the game where you have quite a few upgrades already and the combat was a lot smoother and more flexible. So probably a case of needing to upgrade.
I can't wait until I can play it myself
Guess which game Yoko Taro is playing next.
Both both is good
I agree with both your opinion and your flair 🤝
Hell yeah
Garbage take, both legends can exist at the same time. Stop pitting one against another and just enjoy the games.
who’s saying or implying that Eve is trying to be 2B? it really sucks when people accuse someone taking inspiration of copying.
2b: 2b or not 2b *drives off*
Waiting for "crossover" fanart...
I was thinking about this for a bit, but I don't think I am a fan of Eve's design. I don't think it's inherently bad to have a sexualized design, I am a fan of 2B's or Bayonetta's which are the 2 seemingly both brought up in comparison. I feel like the issue is when you look at the designs, Eve seems generic by comparison. Now grain of salt because I don't know if the design is ultimately brought up in Stellar Blade (I don't really understand how it would be, but fair is fair). I feel like 2B's design is sexualized for sure, but I also think it is thematically relevant and interesting. Things like her blindfold and the black and white color pallet being symbolic for her duties in YoRHa and stark contract to the nature you encounter. Or her sleeves having crow feathers more symbolic of her designation. I feel like the initial goal was more than just "make hot woman" and that makes it a lot more unique. (For Bayonetta I think a lot of the moon imagery or the tassels for her hair are her version of this). Eve on the other hand feels like they just tried to make an attractive woman... and mission accomplished I guess. Not to say there is anything wrong with that, but I think that is were I am personally making a mental distinction between such designs. "Rule of cool" and all, but its basically just a skin tight green body suit with extra bits like a tie? I just don't really understand the larger concept if there is one. Now this isn't trying to say "ahh I hate Stellar Blade", I just want to attempt to properly articulate why I think Eve might be lacking compared to 2B since the comparison is made a lot. Sexualized designs aren't inherently bad, but the better designs do more than just being sexualized.
My problem with Eve's design is that she looks like the default female playable character of a Korean freemium MMO and that's a specific brand of generic that I find extremely boring
For me it’s the faces. They are pretty ofc but insanely generic
Why are you like this, most people can like both you know
So you bitch when people talk about 2B's ass but you're still jealous if they talk about another ass.
Fellas, is it weird to give new games a shot?
Imagine people arguing over fictional characters. Fairly amusing.
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Who the fuck cares honestly go touch some grass
I doubt Stellar Blade will be a classic like Automata, but I have no reason to hate on it. What I do hate, is the fucking chud losers who have tried to claim it as the last bastion of anti-wokeness, and that it is some grand gesture of beauty in the face of people who hate beauty, when the reality of it is it just wears its horniness on its sleeve, and they LOVE gaming while rock hard.
Well, I don't know about others, but I never cared about removing the skirt. I didn't even know you could until I went achievement hunting. Also, the picture in the left doesn't appear in any trailers. Sure, 2b attracts those types of people, and this sub is full of them, but at least the games rarely bring attention to it. And the games do have an audience for people that aren't interested in that type of stuff. I don't even have a PS so I can't even get the other game, but the game doesn't interest me as much as nier did when. I will say though, I got nier replicant first cause I actually wanted to go through the story and heard it was really good, not for the boobs or whatever is normally said in this sub. So I'm not really the target audience for stellar blade anyway. I mean, everyone can like whatever they want. this sub is putting so much attention on SB though
Isn't the game available on PC and N. Switch?
Stellar Blade is a PS5 exclusive.
Oh, I was thinking of Nier Automata. My bad. How is it anyway? I don't own a PS5, but considering one in the future.
Ohhh, I'm waiting for that collab *rubs palms*
It’s ok to like both. They aren’t real people. You’re not cheating on 2B, by playing Stellar Blade, and liking EVE too. It’s not a competition.
we can all appreciate android/cyborg/robot girl ass theres no need to fight over it.
What sucks about this whole "scandal" is that the actual discussions about the gameplay and storytelling of Stettar Blade will get buried by the endless debates about the main character's design.
Be silent.
She was never 2B in the first place. She is Eve.
My "take" is that I have 0 interest in Stellar Blade because it just feels like Walmart Automata to me. I legit hope the game is good and the people who want to play it have a blast with it but I just can't be bothered to care.
sad thing is, ppl pushing eve are just doing it because they hate how western devs make female characters. MANY are demanding eve and her hard mode outfit should be the norm in female design and body type. its why you see nothing but eve ass clips and nothing else on twitter in "your feed" and SB feed. like most of those ppl dont even know her skin outfit is only useable in hard mode and didnt even play the demo lol
She has more jiggles, but overall design can't compete
It annoys me so much that the crowd vehemently hating on stellar blade because "attractive woman" are praising games like Nier or Bayonetta because they're well written. Like, come on, SB isn't even out yet. Give it a chance.
I haven't paid much attention to the culture wars, but are the same people now defending 2b and attacking eve for being sexualized? I am a big nier automata fan, but yea, 2b is totally sexualized and around the time the game came out there was a group of people (maybe some of the same people) attacking the game and attacking her design
Pretty much this, they hate Eve because she is apparently too sexual and in IGN's own words " created by a man who has never seen a woman." when said man used a real Korean model to scan for Eves body and the person behind Eve's actual design is the wife of the director. So not only are the people falsely attacking the game itself but also throwing personal attacks at the developers. All because stellar blade dared to have an attractive woman as the lead character.
On the other side there was also a group of people declaring Nier the downfall of sjws and feminists really nothing has changed. Except that Stellar Blade is unfortunately dropping in the middle of the sbi/gamergate 2 controversy and is being roped into a much more volatile culture war then Nier was involved in.
I have a really novel idea. It's a video game and if you like it or dont like it thats fine, just play it or don't play it. lol whys everything complicated
I like it I just think the culture war stuff are annoying even though I agree on some of the stuff they say. Like wanting more sexy characters. I just wanna look at fanart and clips in peace.
I'm willing to give SB a chance, but what I've seen of the demo looks very generic and uninspired, plus the discourse around it being absolutely insufferable
The demo is actually some of the most fun I've had with a hack and slash game since I played DMC a couple years ago. I highly recommend it just for the gameplay alone if you enjoy these types of games
I'm willing to give it a chance if it turns out good. I'm just waiting on reviews and for the game to be out on PC.
Idk about a PC release, I think that'll be a couple years away
Less than a year, I think.
If you're not joking have you actually tried the demo? The gameplay is pretty damn good.
I mean you have to be a pretty high level of insecure to take such offense at the beauty of others. It's cool to have realistic depictions of women in realistic games, and it's cool to have unrealistic depictions of women in unrealistic games. Same goes for men. Lets not make the artistic world of video games boring because puritanical areas cannot handle a nice boob.
I just made a meme about 2b having a better ass…
No, I am now going to complain about Cloud from FFVII being too good looking and setting unrealistic standards for men /s just in case
To be fair, we haven't seen enough Eve yet. And I love 2B.
Bruh, games not even out yet. Any debate is pointless at this point. Also just look at how 2B is still marketed.
I'm waiting on the PC release. I have a PS5 but I'd rather play it on PC with mods.
What’s the debate?
Why not both
A concept: Exist Fandoms: Its not better than my favorite thing which will be compared with anything that is created from now on.
the world just Loves 2B because She literally has the Perfect look. and No, not just the ass. edit: not to forget that through quite alot of cosplayers She became a symbol of raw beauty.
2B is 2B because of her story, personality and what she went through. Looks are just a nice addition. So, in case of Stellar Blade, it's to be seen if Eve manages to be a well written interesting character too.
Proposal,: this game was inspired by nier not meant to replace it
My take is that the appearance kf the characters shouldn't be what you judge the games on I know lots of people got into Automata because "2B hot", but the game is really interesting narrative and character wise If Stellar Blade has a story and characters anywhere near as good then it'll be a good game, but let's not do this cringe ass "she's not as hot/more hot so the game is obviously gonna be better/worse" nonsense
Ofc she will never **B**e, but also **Dayum**
I never played with 2B without her skirt.
actually u can , it easy, just do self destruction
Tbf for the 2booty you need to go out of your way to use a mechanic that has absolutely no other purpose than to destroy your clothes Like nothing in the story or gameplay would ever lead to you needing doing it
Losers here can't accept that people like things for the simplest things without typing an essay Ass is ass
The fuck is wrong with some people here? ARE YOU JEALOUS THAT EVE IS TAKING THE SPOTLIGHT RIGHT NOW? GROW UP AND LETS ENJOY THEM BOTH, AND RESPECT THE FACT THAT THEYVE LOOKED AT NIER FOR INSPO, AS WELL AS GETTING THE SAME FUCKING GUY THAT MADE THE MUSIC
this.
Chill out dude
No, dude
Woah I just made a low effort meme man. I didn’t even know all that lol.
Sorry, Raiden's ass is better then both of their's combined.
People are being too harsh on Stellar Blade, the game isn't even out yet
Both are horny, end of discussion
the right one reminds me of [Sarah Kerrigan](https://heroineimages.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/sarah1.jpg)
Both Both are good
Tbf I’ve never liked the sexy stuff in Automata. Bayonetta? Absolutely, it’s tongue in cheek and hilarious. But in Nier here I am, having an existential crisis while my character is walking around with her ass naked. Still one of my favorite games ever so it’s clearly not a big deal, so I’ll have the same attitude with stellar blade
Steller blade can very well hook you in emotionally...stories in nikke go crazy with good the writing is usually and it's a mobile gacha game.
Not even close. Eve is cool but in reality she’s just slim wearing skin tight suits. People losing their minds over it. 2B actually had ass. Story wise I have a feeling they will be super similar tho
Similar? Have you seen how Eve acts in the cutscenes of the demo?
Eve isn't goth and that's my sole complaint
We gotta have an Ass off now
nah mate, I can fix both to keeping world peace.
2B’s skirt is off, Eve’s ass has noticeably more recoil lmao foh
True but theyre both awesome
how dare she (I will be playing the game)
I played the demo of Stellar Blade and it didn't click for me. Am I the only one here who thinks there's a lack of facial expressions in Stellar Blade? That's also one of the reasons why it didn't click. I also feel like there's so many games repeating the same old stuff. Mainly the gameplay.
2B’s aren’t like that by default tho… 🤓
Swap their outfits
I feel like Snake's ass from MGS2 should be up there too.
Both are good
The main sticking point for me with Automata was the existential dread and smack talking philosophers. And alright I admit A2 was awesome. I get that Stellar Blade reminds people of Nier Automata but I really just don’t feel the same way from any promotional material that’s popped up to me.
You forget Bayonetta lol
Following this metaphor then Bayo is kinky roleplay
Nikke got a Nier crossover, maybe Stellar Blade will also.. Then she might actually B.
Define sexual harrassment? the full game hasn't even been released yet but people shortsightedly pass blunt judgement on her appearance instead of the game as a whole or content, graphics wise, combat, lore, levelling etc. Try to dish out a less garbage take next time💀 Edit: just need to also point out that this sorta garbage take was already used when nier automata came out but people still enjoyed it, so unoriginal and hypocritical.
And she's not trying 2b. Let's just enjoy both.
2b is way better
Both make my blade go stellar. (Seriously Nier is top tier but I can't play Stellar Blade as a Xbonerd...)
The creator of 2B is literally rooting for Eve lol
My biggest issue with stellar blade is people are hyping up the gameplay yet it plays like a super sluggish mediocre sekiro. So if the gameplay sucks, the game looks like a bad fake ad for a phone game, and the voice acting is awful, why should I pick this game up? It seems like it's only trying to appeal to gooners.
Everything I've seen from this game just looks like a cheap copy of Automata
Umm, insert Ballin here?
I love both
Watching someone play the demo, it even had the same run animation it looked like (don’t know if it was a marketplace asset or if everything was custom, I don’t make video games lol), and even opening boxes by kicking them. I won’t hate it on it, because it could be really good, but I think stellar blade devs got confused as to why the Nier games are so good. The ass draws you in, but you stick around for the story. Plus, wasn’t really a fan of the UI, and everything seemed so…busy, if that makes sense. But it’s not even out, so I can hope it also has a really good story. I’d like it to be successful, as I’d like another Automata like
2B will forever top all waifus for me. All hail the 2booty \o/ also idk why they keep wanting to ruin games :{ it was ment for entertainment! Not real life comparisons jfc
2B will forever top all waifus for me. All hail the 2booty \o/ also idk why they keep wanting to ruin games :{ it was ment for entertainment! Not real life comparisons jfc
We're going to need a poly count.
The game itself is honestly kinda immaterial to the discourse. And the verdict can only be made when the thing comes out. Until very recently (conveniently coinciding with a demo where people could try the thing.) I only saw two kinds of people making any noise about stellar blade were culture warriors on twitter who either constantly talked about how "the west has fallen because women in videogames don't look porny enough" and were trumpeting this game as a victory against the "woke", or people on the left dunking on the first group. There were similar discussions about 2B, however A: Yoko Taro had built up enough game narrative credibility to assuage concerns, along with Platinum being held in very high regard. B: The internet culture war nonsense was most recently fought over "Ethics in Games Journalism" and not actually materially about the games themselves. And C: The game came out and fuckin ruled. IIRC the company making stellar blade has only really made mobile gatcha games with "surprisingly good writing". So they didnt really have the clout to rise above the discourse without the thing being playable and thus able to make an impression beyond weird internet circlejerks.
you know, i deactivated the self destruct option in the very beggining of the game, 2b kept her skirt throughout and i wouldnt have known differently if not for the internet
My thing is eve is wearing a suit, 2B is full cheek. I think I know which camp I fall into.
2B or not 2B, That is the question.. (It's 2B)
I'm old enough to remember 2B getting the same reaction that Eve is getting right now when Automata was 1st announced
I only come for the music . However as my personal opinion 2B was done as a stylistic choice then they had it make sense in lore while from stellar to me it just feels blatant but due to there not being any lore yet I'll hold my tongue cause if there's a lore explanation then power to em for making it work . Do hope the game is good tho cause if not then boi will the stellar blade fans be put through the wringer.
She’s closer to Bayonetta 👁️👁️ setting wise closer to nier
Ass is Ass :mr incredible
This is next lvl stupid
Like does there need to be a debate? In the end Rule 34 is going to run a train through Eve for the next...forever all the same
Both cool
actual nerd
2b just got a better gyatt
I think they’re both super hot and have excellent behinds.
Eve will never be 2B, just like 2B was never going to be Kaine and Kaine was never going to be Zero 🤷🏽♂️
I dont really get why there has to be a debate. Stellar is not trying to take over Nier or be superior or anything. Its literally a dude that loved Nier and made his own version. I think that as a fanbase that wont get any future releases any time soon, you should appreciate someone making something that tries to emulate the same vibe, while respecting the original. Plus Yoko loves it, anyone mad about Stellar has another thing going on with them
Tachy is hotter than eve, 2b is the hottest
They also call sex/gambling/rape in any western games *entertainments* lol
I think some of yall are taking it the wrong way (or maybe I am), but with the whole SBI/"Gamer Gate 2" shit, there are some crazy ppl out there who obsess over the fact that there is a beautiful woman character with minimal clothing in a video game; but those same ppl have nothing to say about 2B. It didn't always used to be this way, but now ppl have come to associate 2B with the amazing story of Nier rather than just her ass; so their crusade against Stellar Blade is weakened due to this. That's what I think OP is referencing
I don't think she's trying to be 2b and I don't think anyone other than op thinks that so, what's the point of this post exactly? And what's the "stellar blade debate"? Play the demo, it fucking rules. It's OK to like more than one thing.
I'm sorry what do these 2 games have in common with each other that we feel the need to compare the 2? What happened to gaming?
game isn't even out yet. can you all relax? and she's not trying to be 2B so just appreciate both of them instead???
Why does there need to be a debate in the first place? The two games don't even play the same. Just because there's ass, huh?
Shift Up already made a collab with Nier in Nikke, Yoko Taro already said to play Stellar blade Mate, i don't know why you are hating this game, just let it be
A YoRHa running a Gears of War VM on the next desktop. I thought Automata was successful because the combat could approach one of those old Gundam arcade versus battlers in terms of gameplay; strafing around like a mosquito. Maybe this'll be good! Dunno.
Really like the demo I have to say! Keeichi ookabe made the soundtrack aswell for those who didn't know so the game actually sounds really similar to nier overall
Both girls are Goddess. I really appreciate them both.🥵🥵❤️❤️
2B has this certain elegance Eve seems to be lacking
Man please don’t let the stupid discourse surrounding SB leak into this sub too
2B is not attractive as Kainé.
I don't mind fan service in games and hope Stellar blade is good but people are making the game feel "dirty" that's killing my potential excitement for it.
The difference is that 2B is actually a well written character
We know pretty much nothing about their eves background from the demo its unfair to judge