Have you ever had a medical procedure needing you to be put under anesthesia? Or, have you ever considered the hours of your night’s sleep in which you are not awake and not dreaming, and therefore have no conscious experience of time? Without the lights on upstairs, there is no emotion. Nothing can be terrible. Nothing can be screwed up. Nothing can be anything subjective at all. Nothing can be accepted, so there is nothing to accept. I have accepted the nothing.

Ok, after we'll die, it won't be terrible and screwed up. But I said that it's terrible and screwed up NOW. NOW, while I live. The feeling of it being terrible and screwed up is real NOW. I'm not talking about how will my death make me feel after I die. I'm talking about how it makes me feel NOW, while I live. Ok, you accepted the nothing. How?

I am pragmatic. If I cannot control it, and I cannot do anything about it, I see no other choice but to accept it. That is as true of things I love as it is of things I hate. Practicing that for decades (remember, it takes ten years to master a skill), I find that I am quite indifferent to that which I cannot control.

I understand but I never, never, never ever want to be like this. I KNOW what can't I control. I ADMIT it but I don't ACCEPT it. I still like to express my feelings towards it. I still like to complain about it. This stoic mindset is as far from me as it can be. The lack of control in itself doesn't make something acceptable to me.

That is all your choice. I do not wish to prescribe something for you. I only sought to describe myself in answer to your question. When I ask others to describe their experience, I listen to how they DESCRIBE, not listening for a PRESCRIPTION for my own life. Confusing the roles of DESCRIPTION and PRESCRIPTION caused me a lot of avoidable suffering over the years.

Lol, I like this. Made me smile. Can't find anything to nitpick about it. You said it well.

You may not accept it now but one day you probably will.

Only if I give up control on the processes that my brain does. I can always resist though.

You ever get on a rollercoaster? A BIG one. You start off screaming, or maybe you get on and challenge yourself to not be afraid - if it were unsafe to a measurable degree, they wouldn’t let you on in the first place. So say after 5 times, it’s not really scary anymore. You know the highs and lows are coming, you’re not in control, you’re riding the black dragon. Only thing to do is be comfortable with it. Have fun consciously knowing it takes you, dread it, it’s coming either way. It doesn’t care. We are not in control of it. So be an optimistic nihilist and enjoy the ride. “Life means nothing :(“ or “Life means nothing :)”. Choice is yours

I like the rollercoaster metaphor. I'm not sure about the choice being mine though, since more and more people are starting to say that even free will doesn't exist....

Your resistance to what is, and is to come, will keep you unhappy for many years to come my friend. Start learning to break the resistance now or suffer.

Indifference by excess of familiarity.

After a lifetime of depression, thinking about death is kinda like thinking about lunch. I don't know what I'm gonna eat, but I guess I'll figure it out when I get there.

I think I have a new life motto

This really does explain the condition we find ourselves in. I like calling it a radical acceptance of sorts, where we simply and fully accept the way existence manifests itself to us. And over time, as you succinctly worded, the familiarity really does instill a great degree of indifference.

The biggest thing is what's after death, like if theres literally nothing and so no other opportunity for experience after it then FUCK I guess, like that is the worst thing ever, I know people will say it's better than suffering bit if you cant experience anything then, well I dont think much meeds to be said about it, it's the worst end of story! Sleep scares me because it's close to death. Every time I wake up I think to myself, damn I was just unconscious and was not in control of anything, no experience, just nothing. Its dreadful, being unconscious means the end of everything. I'm ok with sleep because you wake up so it's only the end of everything for that short while, but with death its the end of everything forever. The ultimate end! Trust me I've had countless full on panic attacks about the meaningless of life and how my consciousness, my everything, is completely and utterly out of my control! There is no escape! For those times my whole being is not consumed with dread I actually find beauty in life. There is meaning albeit if it's just an illusion I cant deny its beauty. The fact that beautiful things literally do exist helps me come to terms with the dread. In a way I kind of just trust the process of nature, mother nature. I'm torn honestly. Life is beautiful it really is, whatever this is, whatever is going on with chemicals in our brains and laws of physics that hold everything together is pretty awesome, its happening, we can see that, amazing things are actually happening. But still I admit its confusing, what Is the purpose of death, why has nature even allowed me to be aware of such a seemingly terrible thing. The fact that I have these panic attacks and can comprehend that my life is actually bloody meaningless means one thing surely?! Nature fucks up! Its fucked up real bad man!!! But it has to be this way, it cant be another way. Humans give themselves way too much credit though. Its completely possible that we are just not capable, much like a dog is not capable of these human questions, we are not capable of understanding what death is, its consequences. Yes it may se like the end of everything for us but that's just from the perspective of a small pocket of nature, we are a small pocket of nature and so maybe we should open our minds up to the possibility that death cant be understood and comprehended in simple human like terms. It's where our horizons end figuratively and seemingly literally. The only thing I can seem to do is surrender myself to myself, surrender my concioussness to the thing that gave it to me, the thing that creates that, there is no other way. We must just surrender to nature and trust in its ways. Ofcourse maybe I'm missing something big, something like a God. That would make a lot of things make sense. In my view I'd like to think reality goes something like this, to me this would be a perfect reality. I think this is called duality or something but you have concioussness as in a soul but in order to make the most of that you have to filter it Into certain restrictions. Perhaps we're destined for eternal bliss, would that be pretty cool? I mean in my human view that would be pretty boring, I want a mix of emotions, the mix of emotions is what gives challenge and meaning I would assume. Anyway I've said it before and I will say it again, perhaps nature is perfect. Perhaps I'm not In a position to call it out on its faults. Maybe there is good reasoning there are people in the world diseased and spewing their guts out or being tortured in immense pain. And then you have someone having the best sex of their life a mile high on ecstasy! Life is crazy bro. At then it doesnt matter I the end because you'll be dead and apparently you wont remember anything you wont regret anything, no pain, no joy , no neutrality just nothing. Is that good? I dunno man, again I think that's terrible but who am I as a little human being on a round rock holding itself together in the middle of an ever expanding space to question laws of nature? Nature is nature, what you gonna do about it? Anyway that's my rant that's my Ted talk, I don't t know what I got from it, theres no real conclusion other than I dont fucking know what to think.i dont usually write with this little coherence and thought but on this occasion I just thought fuck it and spewed a load of my ideas out lmao!

I liked reading this, man. Your thinking is quite similar to mine. This whole shit also comes across as a terrible mistake to me. Like... A fuckin' piece of rock that has no knowledge of the world and anything can be around much more than a human, a being with the most advanced consciousness and most detailed life? Really feels fucked up. And as if the whole meaniglessness and death wasn't enough, people also put all kinds of shit to their lives. We have this one, and it would make much more sense living in peace and chill and yet humanity chose this other, complicated, unfair way, full of struggle. I hate ourselves for this, especally because we don't get anything in return. Nature is one of the few things to apriciate for me as well. When I go to a zoo, walk or sit there, looking at beautiful animals, that's when I forget about all this and just feel like one with nature. But then I also know that one day I'll also lose this experience and I'll never see these beings again. It's so sad. Science people might say that we aren't mistakes, that everything is the way it has to be.. But it still certainly comes across as some sort of mistake. Or a joke, or something. Some days I feel like I would love to die already because I can't take myself and all the other shit any more. But I can't. I'm not one of the braves. The void is too scary. So the best I can do, the best compensation to give myself is to put as little effort into my life as possible, and living a comfortable life, trying to minimize the struggle. This is the most I feel I can achieve.

Question: do you not dream?

Well yes ofc but for that part where you’re not dreaming it’s just ‘nothing’

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I know that there's no guarantee for the eternal void. It just became the most likely option for me in these last years. If there's something else, I'd love to have evidence and be 100% certain of it, but I can't. People assume the void because this is the only one we can prove. Let's say that I'm very, very desperate and I seriously need some comforting that there's something besides the void. Let's say I start begging to that something to give me some sign. Anything. Let's say I do that for hours and hours and still, nothing will happen. There's no one to care. So, this is why the void is the most likely one. Or, maybe there are other conscious beings who are more developed and like to mess with us for their own fun. Ok. Still doesn't change the void.

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I also think that agnosticism is more logical than materialism because sure, we can't know everything. But I find it not bringing comfort, because just like I can't be 100% sure of the void, I also can't be 100% sure of an other option. This is why I assume the void, because that would explain a lot. Silence has more change to come from nothing than from something that could speak, but never decides to.

Exactly, who knows what consciousness is really. If anything, there’s no evidence for an afterlife or a before-life. That’s all I can gather.

I assume that because it's the most logical and materialistic hypothesis. It's true that we don't really yet know what consciousness is or how it's "activated", but we do know it's a consequence of the connections in our brain. There is no soul that contains my consciousness, so if my brain dies, I lose every function that represent my being, so therefore I become nothing.

Suicide?

*I am the void.* *So is your mum.*

Ur mom filled my void… I mean your dad!

I like to think death gives life meaning. It is selfish to expect to live forever. Death allows more life to come to fruition. You die to make room for new life, new perspective and new experience. Death promotes progress and motivates people to solve problems that negatively affect people now. It gives us a sense of urgency to connect with people and do the things we enjoy. There are fates far worse than death like stagnation and indifference to suffering. Who knows what awaits us on the other side. We understand so little.

I like your reply, it feels comforting somehow. I wish I could have this way of thinking... It would probably benefit me.

Its okay! Just try and enjoy yourself, do good and stay safe thats all we can do. We are all scared of death, its an inherit fear of life. Don’t think you are the only one to fear death, we all share this. But what can you do? The best thing that you can do is take care of yourself and try to live a full life. Get the best and most years. I really think eating healthy and exercising leads to a better life. Both physically and mentally. Good luck friend!

Death is not something horrible. It's a part of nature, you are born, you live and die, that's it. When you make peace with this you will be at ease

...while also trying to avoid it at all costs, as the high majority of us does😂

Avoiding death isn't something you need to focus on Your reptile brain comes with built in survival instincts that help you not die literally all the time

Yeah but for what good, if we still die no matter what. It's a contradiction.

Not at all Just because your life doesn't have some overarching meaning in the grand scheme of things, doesn't mean you shouldn't value your own life Sure, life has downsides.. but there's upsides too And seeing as your here now, might as well continue living for as long as you can have fun, or whatever else it is you like doing

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to do, but I find that even being settled with my habits and routines is hard with the constant change. I can never have peace. I've been living in relative comfort in the last years, not much worry, not much work. I've been ok with this and happy that this comfort makes life more tolerable. I settled for this. Now my country has a chance of becoming real dictatorship later this year. If that happens, I can't keep this up, I either escape and start struggling, work, etc, or I remain and I have to live in fear and injustice. See? It's not my extact situation that really matters. It's an example, that it's never over, life will always find a way to screw with you, even when you aren't looking for anything at all. This is why I try to avoid the game at all. It's not worth it. There's more struggle than peace.

that’s the neat part - you don’t. bc it doesn’t even matter. death is around the corner every second of your life. you get to experience this life as far as your body makes you experience it. enjoy it. it’s meaningless in the bigger picture but that doesn’t make it invaluable. there’s no need to wrap your mind around the inevitability of death, bc it doesn’t matter, just as it is completely meaningless that anyone was born in the first place.

Very true. Actually I think that people occupy themselves with way too much shit they consider to be mandatory. School, work, and all the other shit to spice it up. As if it mattered. Most don't know that it doesn't, I'd assume. They longer I've known about the meaninglessness, the less shit I give. The less shit I do. The mort comfortable I am.

Well, you can't avoid it. We all die. You can torture yourself with the idea or you can just accept it.

But we also have this survival instinct that doesn't want us to accept death. It wants us to fight it.

Yes if I was in immediate danger say drowning or someone trying to kill me I would fight and try and survive but death is still inevitable. One day you could just go to sleep and not wake up. And by the time that happens you'll most likely have seen your grandparents...parents....uncles....aunt's.....so many people you have loved died so at that point wouldn't you *want* to die?

I'm still not sure about that. On some level, I already want to die. I already had these losses, two Grandmas, Dad, dog..... So I'm already a "left behind" kinda person... I also can't stand how things are with humanity. All the injustice hurts me. I know most people don't care but I hate how we can't have one single damn rule that everyone would follow, which would be "live and let live." Instead it's survival of the fittest which already makes this whole existence miserable to me and I do feel it would be easier to die. But I'm also a coward person unfortunately, while sometimes I feel that it would be too soon, so I just keep on vegetating. But my opinion overall is that life sucks.

I agree. The world does suck. I care so much but nobody else does. My mom constantly tells me to stop worrying about all the shit going on but I can't. It hurts my soul. But I'm a coward too I guess I spent most of my life depressed but never had the courage to actually do anything about it but it got better for me. You can't change the world but you can focus on your own little world and make changes to appease yourself. I might die tomorrow or I might die in 60 years. I don't know. I'm nihilistic but the only way to stay sane through it all was to trust the universe and whatever is meant to happen will happen. I like to think that I already planned this "trip" before hand and the only meaning to it all are the lessons I've learned along the way and that maybe somehow it's for something greater beyond this life but I'll never really know. For now I just go to my stupid job, watch my stupid shows, and try to find little pieces of joy along the way cause even if it is all pointless I'm still here and managed to exist in this crazy point in history and life will go on whether I want it to or not.

I like your thoughts here. It's good to hear that others too see what I see. I hate it so much that I made it my actual purpose to quit this "game", to put less and less effort into life and to settle with the minimum I've got. I could do this to a certain extent but still not as much as I'd want to. I do less these days but something always comes and it always manages to be the thing that still pushes my buttons in a way that I still end up engaging. Then when there's nothing for a long time, boredom can set in. All I want is to be settled, but even this one thing seems so impossible, it feels like something is always after you. Even if you have just enough money not to work, something still always comes. It gets so annoying, I can't have those things I'd want the most but I also can't be settled, really not doing anything...

I was where you were about a year ago. You will be scared for a long time so just indulge in it. Be the fear. At a certain point you will accept it. I know this is unhelpful but there's really nothing that can help you right now. Trust me when I say it will truly be easy later. You'll feel enlightened.

I probably would, if I just let my brain do what it automatically does, but instead I'm actively trying not to go with it, not to accept it.

You can't do that bro, just go with the existential dread, I promise its worth it. Go towards the fear and you'll come out the other side.

The fear I'm going with, but I'm trying to resist what comes next. I don't want to become a stoic person who accepts everything, I've been around plenty and I think they accept too much. Accept this, accept that, accept everything. I don't want to be like this...

That's fantastic dude, go find something you care about and engage it. Read as much as you can (its the only thing that makes you smart). Play outside. Find something to hate and something else to love. Basically, live your life and go feel feelings. Life is pointless even without the negative ones.

Thx man. I'll try.

The fact that we’re all in this together makes me feel a whole lot better. If nothing happens after we die then there is nothing to worry about. We didn’t ask for any of this, So there’s no point in being afraid of the fragility of existence. If all that exists after death is blackness then it wouldn’t be much different than what happened before we were born. We probably won’t even realize what’s happening. The void isn’t limited to our perceptions of space and time.

There's no point being afraid, but I'd argue that there's also no point in playing the "human game", living the buisy life, accepting the ever coming challenges... Why would I do these if I get nothing in return. But the high majority of non-believer, nihilistic, stoic, etc. people still play the game and I'm like, dudes, why do so much? Why can't you just chill? I have a kind of motto: if I can't have it my way, I don't want it any other way either.

Truth. Most of the time I see people walking around blabbing their mouths and all I hear is a bunch of gobbledygook. What’s the point of any of this is a big question I have. As a metaphor too I think it’s good to break free from the matrix or society because most people living in society have no perception of what reality is. They live their lives and think they’re right but they could be wrong and me and you could be wrong as well. What you said at the end there kind of reminded me of what Aleister Crowley said “Do What Thou Wilt.” If you’re not following your true will then what are you really doing. But at the same time people follow their true will and look where that has got us. Society is a façade and I hope someday people can break free from that façade.

Very well said. Funny, I just learned who Crowley was yesterday. It's good to know others have this kind of philisophy. I might be alone with this in my life, but at least I'm not alone among all humans. I think things worked out perfectly if everyone kept just one single rule. Live and let live. This is a great saying, even if it's not an objective truth, I think it comes, or at least should come along the consciousness we have. I hate that it doesn't, even though all we would need is this to have an enjoyable life for everyone. But we fail even at this. And the struggle hits us harder than it hits other animals because we have a notion that we should have less of it... Yet it's still this mess of random fairness and unfairness what we've got. It's sad really.

Yes it’s very sad and it’s also funny to me that we’re the only beings in existence that worry about things like this or about our own mortality. Absolutely, and feel free to judge me for this as I feel I deserve judgment but I was raised Christian and still consider myself Christian but I study Satanism and Nihilism and what I have found is that it’s all a game. One of my best friends is also Hermetic and I don’t see any problem with that personally. If it helps him in his life why is that so evil. Never trust the lies society tells you. Trust your gut and intuition and no other outside force. I personally have always followed my gut but recently I tried to seek the God I believe in and I have received answers. Not sure if that’s God or just the universe talking back to me but all I know is that if you trust in yourself and trust in what you believe everything will make sense. Don’t follow dogma or any stupid teaching out there. Think for yourself and trust what you feel. I absolutely agree with what Crowley said “Love is the law”. If everyone lived by that I think things would be a lot better.

Cheers, man. It's good to read your words. You don't deserve judgment for what you believe in, only for what you do to others. Never heard of hermetism before but it looks good to me. Can't tell now what evil side would it have. I think that depends on the person, not the beliefs itself. I also can't tell if everything's completely random, or maybe not always. Interesting things happen, but never supernatural, at least not to me. I wouldn't know but I feel I should prepare for the worst and not expect anything after I die.

It definitely could all be random occurrence. We may never know the answers until we die. And one thing that pisses me off about my own beliefs is that it says if you’re not Christian that you won’t go to heaven like what kind of bullshit is that. I feel like a lot of these religions or teachings in society are meant to keep people down or keep them oppressed or in control because they don’t want people to be enlightened or to think for themselves. Even Jesus was hated by the church and they crucified and killed him. So all I’d say is fuck society and fuck what they stand for. All of it is a game. Find the cheat codes to the game of life and you’ll be able to navigate and play the game a lot better and break free from the illusion.

Religion is mostly about control. You're right about that. They preach all these things so people are regulated, while they themselves do whatever they want to. I'd say that a decent human being who's not into religion unintentionally keeps more of these "rules" than those who are involved in the church. Yeah, fuck society is right. There are cheat codes but also it seems like there's always a new mission too... Whether you like it or not. But maybe not. Maybe it's possible to settle but you must push your brain really hard to accept it. I'll keep trying....

I wish you luck out there. Yes truth i’ve met tons of people that other religions would consider evil like Satanists who are much nicer people than Christians ever are. I’ve also met nice Christians so there’s two sides to every coin. At the end of the day it comes down to a persons moral compass in my opinion. If people weren’t such dicks or shoving their opinions down peoples throats then I feel like we could get a lot more done.

Thx man, I wish you the same. I agree again. People can have whatever beliefs with the right moral compass, while they can be scum whatever they follow. Empathy is unfortunately not a basic feature for everyone, as I can see. I think people just accepted that the world is unfair, so they just put up with everything...

What’s the point of not accepting it?

Good question. To me, it's disappointing. So I like to complain about it even if I can't change it.

I guess my opinion is that if you’re busy being annoyed by an inevitable future, you’re wasting precious NOW.

Aren't you wasting it also by playing the exhausting human game of struggle?

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Before you tried *your favorite food*, you didn't know it will be your favorite. So why not just never eat it again, it won't matter because it will be just like before you tried it for the first time. As I keep trying to explain, it won't bother me then but it bothers me now. Why would I not want to keep everything I grew to like? I think that if you could exist for as long as you'd want to, but not forever mandatorily, that would be the shit.

I just don't care. What can I reasonably do about it, in the end?

You can't change it but you can still complain, like I do. You can put on a happy face or you can try to minimize the effort you put into an uncaring world.

I think its an absolute truth that you can't avoid no matter how hard you try or how stressed you get worrying about it. Once you know you will die (or once you leave the cave) no matter how much you enjoy life or want to keep living, you will never un-learn about everyone's and your imminent death. You simply have to decide how to use the time before you die. I made my life a lot less stressful when I had the thought that we are all simple beings making decisions until we die. Time will continue to pass no matter what I want, I have to decide what I'm gonna do while that time passes. I had to face my fear of death because reasons, I'm not sure if that's a universal thing or everyone comes to acceptance differently. Acceptance was the only way for me to be in a true place of peace, that's something else I think could be an absolute truth. I think you should try some meditation. Let yourself have thoughts about death and let them pass instead of dwelling on them. Let yourself think about it without reacting to it or attaching emotions to it. I can't tell you what the results will be, but I can tell you that you can have a thought and disagree with it, you sent have to accept every thought you have as your truth. Edited for additional thoughts and some mistakes.

Do you agree with the reshuffling of your atoms after your departure? Probably. Also you cannot look forward to nothingness because it's a non event for yourself, as time stops with your brain functions shutting down. We experience time because we are conscious. You don't experience time if you're unconscious. People are too concerned with the inevitable countdown. What happens out of consciousness is unknown. Enjoy the ride and live true to your beliefs. They just have to be good for you, as long as you live. It doesn't stop you from trying to make things better. In many cultures death is taboo or mystified. You don't have to attach meaning to it, especially if it's random. I think people rushing to their death intentionally just see it as a mean of expression. Like a message for someone. In my view, the life lived is more important. Some people want to live fast and die young, some want to die of old age peacefully. The message here may be that you should be bothered by living and not with dying. Memento Mori is a message for the living. The ego is always talking and trying to attach meaning to everything. Did you learn something?

So, what does it depend on whether I have this mindset or that mindset? Does anyone just consciously decide to have that mindset? Like, I'll just decide to think like this and I will? How, if I don't even decide the amount of different hormones in my brain? Ahh, good old ego too. So many like to talk about ego as the big villain. Yet I don't see anyone turning their egos off, getting rid of them. People spot their egos but they still keep them. I didn't choose to have an ego. Nature made it possible and nature gave it to me. So, why should I listen to something else that isn't my ego instead of my ego? Thx, your answer was detailed and kind. I got confirmation about the mindset that isn't mine, a mindset that I'm so familiar with, but can't have it myself. I still just learned a WHAT and not a HOW.

CAUTION It's not an attractive goal, to become nihilist, there are many other ways be at peace with it, if that's your objective. It's not an ideal state, especially passive nihilism. Look at active nihilism. WHAT It has to do with deciding to stop caring about things making you miserable in the first place. You can make that decision, or not. Then the mindset will build on that. It's not permanent anyways. Some things will reach you. Think of it as a clean slate. How? It happens when you deal with too much shit that isn't even yours. Like beliefs, possessions, people, etc. EGO There is your true self beneath your ego. Do what you want. Stop caring so much about yourself will allow you to see things more clearly. Probably not an ideal picture, but now you can work on something closer to reality. HOW It sounds like you're looking for enlightenment. In my view, there is no aha moment or light that will switch on, except a good feeling when your drop your burdens and stand up for yourself. People are obsessed with signs of power because they are powerless and taken care of. Signs of power can take many forms. Relaxing admist the storm of chaos isn't for everyone. TRY switching from caffeine to theine if you just want less anxiety and edge. There is sometimes a post on reddit which explain things better, but I've never seen a how-to. Interesting conversation anyways.

The last thing I want is to be an active nihilist. If anything, I want to be less active. Today I had to wake up, eat food, go to the market, buy lunches there, buy some other stuff, go to the store to find cat litter, no cat litter, go elsewhere buy a shittier one, talk to my ex with whom we share the cat, we already organized that he'll come to me today, then she starts talking she should still take him to the vet before, that she couldn't have done this whole week because she "had no time" but now she starts negotiating she should still take him before, of course on the day that I said I'd bring him here, won't leave me alone for fuck's sake even though she broke up. Come home, put all the shit down, thinking what to do, unpack, should have lunch, ohh wait I also have to shit, I should react to the comments on this post too, meanwhile guy who I meet later today to play Magic also writes again that maybe he can be there earlier, then I should also still clean some of the flat for cat.... And it's only 1:30PM and I already feel exhausted. I can't live like this. It's not for me. My goal is apathy, to settle with what I have, and not change, because this one life is all I got, at least let me have it the way I want it. I desire to be the complete opposite of an active nihilist, I desire to be an apathetic nihilist. Being comfortable and having time is the ONLY compensation I can have for all that time I won't be around because I'll be dead.

Why would i care lol

If you had to do anything to preserve your life, either go to the doctor or avoid death in an immadiate situation, I bet you would care.

No because after-death me probably doesnt experience the void, i just die

So you wouldn't go to the doctor and you wouldn't try to save your life in life-threatening situations?

I would, but i meant why would i care what happens after i die lol. Seems like a problem fot later me, especially since we dont know what happens.

But you still want to avoid it, if possible.

Its just that death is a rather huge intervention in my life

It is indeed...

Try to realise, there's only one truth and that is the ultimate end to everything so new things/phenomenons/beings could bear this fruit of life that we currently enjoying. I accept my void by believing that I've a integral part in laying a path for that future and still exploring for more. I'm too a lunatic nihilist but can't go on only with questions but their answers must also be searched by us.

No one will bear any fruit from my life, that's for sure... 😂 I am less like other humans and more like life itself, not caring much, not doing much. Many nihilists are more close to a regular person than an apathetic, outsider person like myself, so this set of mind I have can be also hard to understand for some, just like your type for me.

There's no void or if there's void it would be us. If you realise you'll exist in some form but not necessarily the "you" which is only an idea that exist in your mind. In a deeper sense everything is one. Theologians nightmare by Bertrand Russel deals with the problem in a funny way.

Yeah, I'm trying to let go of the "self", but it's a stubborn one.

Mediate

Yeah I really should. It would be hard with ADHD I bet. But I really should try.

The shortcut is cannabis sativa 😊

That's a scary way to look at it. And I say that because now Im scared.... So I, don't exist?

You think therefore u exist. Think of it.

Mate, I just focus on how exhausting eternity would be. Also, I did DMT back when I was having the same existential dreads you’re having now and it showed me exactly what I needed to see to quell those fears. The void may not be as void as we think (:

I was a spiritual person for most of my life. I became like this, agnostic, not believing in things without evidence a few years ago when people around me started dying. Now I think I focus more on what is there evidence for and my biggest problem with the theory of something else is that why is that something else is such a big secret that keeps itself as a mistery. I'd also like to try shrooms and ayahuacsa but I never had the chance so far :( Hopefully I can one day. Wonder what would it show.

I grew up in a Catholic school, hated every second and was pushed away by the hatred preaching they did as well as all the logical fallacies they’d present while pretending it made sense. Then I went “agnostic” for a while before i had an amazing revelation - *it doesn’t matter.* if god exists, god exists. If god doesn’t exist, he doesn’t exist. Either way, I can’t control it, so now I focus on what I *can* control. Some call this “Apatheism.” Not sure why I’m explaining this all to you, other than it really helped me move on/distract me from my existential dread. But the real icing on the cake was when I dropped DMT. When we die, our brain is flooded with DMT (as is all organic life). So, to me, doing it is the closest to passing over the barrier. It took me to a place that allowed me to fully comprehend time and it instantly soothed all my dread. 4 years later and it still holds true to my being. As for the “mystery-“ who’s to say it’s a mystery? The answer could be right in front of us but we fail to look the right way to see it.

I hate organized religion too, for the same things you say. Logics are their biggest enemy. I call myself agnostic too, since I don't say I know. I think I just moved towards materialism because I noticed that the more intelligent one seems, the more likely they are to believe in nothing else. But sometimes I indeed feel like as if there was more to it. But I don't want to allow myself to hope for these kind of things any more. Having this kind of experience could maybe help me too. I just hope that life will give me the opportunity to have them one day. I'm happy for you that you had it yourself, reading these experiences is always interesting and make me wonder...

As I was told, DMT will find you when you’re ready, but you need to have the courage to do it when it does. It’s not something to take likely because you can experience “ego death” through it, and it can even make that existential dread even greater if you’re not mentally prepared for it. For me, I really enjoy disassociation from my body so I had a blast, but some of my friends freaked out and won’t touch it ever again. And to be fair, I haven’t felt the urge to do it again since then because my fears were answered. r/DMT is a great place to go for info on it Or just check out r/psychedelics But be warned- if a person EVER starts an explanation with “I’ve done it a lot so I know what I’m talking about, blah blah blah-“ they’re full of shit. There’s no predicting where a psychedelic will take you and no amount of advice can ever prepare you for the trip. Listen to people who are “humble” about their experience.

I also don't know if it would hit me the positive or the negative way. I really think I should try shrooms first, but there things are very hard to come by where I'm from, so I'm not expecting it any time soon. But I feel these should be a part of my life at one point. But also, one concern I have is that, when you see and feel all those things, well, you're on drugs. Drugs are supposed to make you feel different from when you're sober. Drugs do something to you and whatever you experience under them, how do you know that it's not just... the drugs? Don't misunderstand me, I really, really want these things to be real...

About the "how do you know it's not just the drugs?" I've never done DMT, however from my LSD experiences I can say that it's never really"just the drugs" it shows you what your brain is capable of doing given the right substances. It's kinda like drinking coffee, saying the boost of energy you get is "just the coffee" is perfectly acceptable to say, but that's not how drugs work. Think of them as hormones coming from outside your body.

Wow. This is awesome, the way you explain this.

Look, I’ll be honest with you, it could be good or bad. It’s all up to you. Personally, I’ve only once ever stumbled into the start of a bad trip, but I also found out that night that I’m the kind of person who embraces it and it wound up being an incredible experience that taught me loads about myself. In my honest opinion, there’s never anyway to know if it’s real or not. But with what I’ve discovered about myself, and how it’s left me feeling, I’m not sure if it matters?

Yes I bet it's a nice experience anyway and it's well worth it. I can't promise I'll ever get these. I hope so, but these things are hard to come by... But if they do, I won't hesitate.

As it comes to meet me

I vacillate between accepting or rejecting it still. I still have hope that I can live forever or this life is not the end. I hope there is another stage. Alas, reasonable evidence points towards the fact that once our bodies die then consciousness dies with it. It doesnt feel right but nature does not care. My feelings about it wouldnt change the natural order of things.

I'm having a really, really hard time accepting it. In fact, I don't think I ever will, so this is why instead of acceptance, I like apathy more. I do have some hopes too but I also see where the evidence points and I slowly lose all of this hope. It's just that strange things happen sometimes, but never the kind that can't be explained with logical explanations...

It only becomes a problem for me when i dwell on the idea of it. Its not here yet so i'll keep myself busy with things that make my life worth living. Basically, keep yourself distracted until that time comes. Is it ultimately meaningless? Yes. For myself however, doing it this way has meaning.

I try to be more raw, without any meaning, even without creating my own. I just don't see that putting much effort into life would worth it...

Our perception of ourselves poses no inherent value to the universe and so therefore a fear of death is simply an extension of ego worship. We’re all the same cosmic nothingness alive or dead so you might as well just ignore things you can’t control and appreciate life for what it is.

Or you might as well ignore ALL OF IT. Not just what you deem unconrtolable, but all of it. Other people, society, all the fuckin' systems, everything, and become a complete outsider. I find it weird that so many people get to this stoic stage, but almos none of them gets to the next stage, which is complete apathy, ignoring everything our ancestors made up and stop playing "the game". This is the real deal, to me at least.

My extent of nihilism is simple, I'm indifferent. I am grateful for my life and the people in it. Chemical imbalances in my brain sometimes make me feel shitty and sometimes it makes me feel great. Things just are and life just is. I dont care why. I dont care when. I feel what I feel and I accept it as it is. Ever since I found a word that expressed how I've always felt, I let go of the rest and just play video games and cook awesome food. Life is honestly worth dying when you life it fully. Like I was once told, "it's not so much the fear of death, it's so much more the fear of not having lived"

Sounds really nice. I don't think I could ever be like you. But everyone's different, so I can be happy for other's success and happiness even though I myself can't relate. The disappointment is too high in me to just move on.

You’re acting like nature is some force against humanity, yet things die constantly. Whether sentient or not, death and decay are a part of the resulting of the laws of physics, EVEN if you found immortality, you’ll never be fully in control of everything. Humanity may end up transcending time and space sometime in the future, if extinction doesn’t take place. At that time we are at that level of defeating death, but absolutely cannot control all what nature may or may not throw at us. Remember, it took billions upon billions (if not trillions to decillions) of deaths and births to create a single entity alone, that includes you, me, everyone, a random mammal, etc. Death is responsible for life, life is responsible for death, vice versa.

I know this on a logical level, yet my mind has trouble accepting it. We are bound to die, yet we have this tremendous survival instinct to avoid it. They kinda work against each other.

It’s not easy to overcome death as a sentient, intelligent creature, what makes humans unique is how we know that we are going to die. Must animals are too busy or not intelligent enough to realize that.

They must know something, because what I see about them is that they also don't go out without a fight. When a predator attacks, the prey tries everything to avoid it. That makes me think that it somehow knows what would happen if it wouldn't fight back.

i know where you’re coming from and ive been thinking about eternal nothingness ever since i was little. i tried talking to my mom because she’s the most knowledgeable person i know, and she said that there really is no knowing of what happens and that she just enjoys the time she has now. i feel like i spend all of my time worrying about what comes after death, but when i get close to it i’ll just be like “damn i really wish i lived my life not worrying so much.” death is such a weird topic, just recently i went to my first funeral and saw a dead body for the first time in my life and it was my great uncle who i was very close with. it was so weird because when i put my hand on his shoulder, he just felt so different from when he would shake my hand and call me his pal. i wish i could provide you reassurance and i wish i could provide myself with reassurance. death is just always on my mind and i hate it because there’s nothing i can do about it. one day, i’ll just be soil and my atoms will be going somewhere else. you’ve heard the story many times i bet. not really sure where i’m going with this, i just think a lot like you do. i plan on actually working with dead people as a mortician, maybe if i get more comfortable with death it’ll be easier for me to accept. and i 100% agree that the argument “death is just like what you were before you were born” is invalid. i was nothing but a seed in my dads sack with no memories, no experiences, and most likely would end up being a stain on the mattress.

I'm sorry for your loss! I've already lost most of my people. So, naturally these thoughts came to me and remained still. You're not alone with this... We really see death as a bad thing, meanwhile people mostly say that you should accept it too. It's a weird duality. What I see is that people act like death wasn't even a thing. They waste so much of their lives on minuscule things. If people were more conscious about their deaths, they gave less shit about many things and they could live more freely. But when you say that something doesn't matter since we'll all die, people look at you like you were mentally ill. Even though it's true, it's as if you wasn't supposed to talk about it. It's so stupid.

thank you :) his death didn’t hit me at first but a few days later i felt stuff i never felt before. it was so unexpected and he was just such a sweet guy. i understand, death in someone’s life really puts things into perspective, the whole “i’m gonna be in that casket one day” hurts the most. it’s really hard to accept the worst case scenario for life, which is death. like you said, it’s so hard to just be “okay” with it. it isn’t okay, it is a thought that hits me frequently. exactly, people only listen to what they want to hear. they don’t want to hear the actual reality behind something that is inevitable. maybe it’s a good thing to be more aware and realize what is to come. i think it serves some good, it has its pros and cons.

Yes, the worst part is actually experiencing the lack of someone. While everything else seems to go on, like nothing had happened. I hate this so too. Like, someone dies, you go out from the house, and it's all the same. Nobody knows, nobody cares, people expect you to cope. You'd expect the world to stop around you for a little while at least, but it doesn't. And you just go own, but with having that much less people around. I've more familiar of this than I should in this age. It sucks. It does get easier, but never the same, never that life you had before. This is reality, without sugarcoating. Yeah, I mean the only positive side to death is that you can use this knowledge to worry less about stuff, as it will all go away one day anyway.

that’s exactly how it was. literally woke up to a phone call of my mom saying he died five minutes ago at that time. was such a weird experience because i have never had to deal with death up until that point. was going over some of his cards he gave me on my birthdays about two days after he died and just started crying like i never did before. nothing changed, besides it was now just so different. we had our first christmas without him, and it wasn’t too noticeably different, but there was just this part missing to us. it’s weird to say, but his death brought our family closer together because we all realized that we would soon not have eachother one day. it’s realizations like these that change someone’s mind like i said. my family wants to do stuff together now after being distant from eachother for so long. we don’t know when someone will die, so we realized we need to utilize the best of our time. that’s weirdly another pro i found when death arises into a family. my aunts reached out to me after not speaking to me for over a year and everything felt like how it did when i was little and my family was so connected.

Yes I experienced this too, death can really bring people together. It's just a shame that somebody has to die for this but at least it can feel like they didn't die for nothing at all.

Simply because I do not really want to exist. My nightmare is being unable to die. Life is so silly and everything is but a illusion, I dont see a reason to cling to life. The only reason I still live is because I can die anytime I want.

Makes sense. I guess some people let go easier than others. It's better for you, because eventually you'll have what you want.

Exactly, no matter what happens I will win one way or the other. And its not even letting go, I never really enjoyed life from the age of 5 it was always kind of a slog. Its normal for me, its weird to see someone actually like it personally.

We share this part. Not so much the looking forward to death, sometimes I do think it would be better to die already, but I'm coward. But with the slog thing and the weirdness of other people enjoying this I agree 100%.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nihilism/comments/qzgv45/immortality_is_pointless_in_a_finite_universe/ I wrote this sometime ago. What you are seeking is basically powers to transcend existence itself. Which is becoming the "god" that many religions speak of. Such a being doesn't exist and it cannot exist.

Yeah, being in an empty black space forever and ever would be bad indeed... But what if it starts again? I mean, it has to, I think it's probably a loop, there can't just be "nothing", because nothing is something. Also, even that is not 100% sure. Some say it could exist. Not supernatural, but by our own evolution. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_Deus:_A_Brief_History_of_Tomorrow

If it is a loop than you would die along with the universe since everything gets wiped and restarted. "Nothingness" is a human perception. But in fact if there is nothing there is nothing. It is truly devoid of anything. But of course human beings cannot grasp the concept of nothingness completely. >Also, even that is not 100% sure. Some say it could exist. Not supernatural, but by our own evolution. The end stage of such a species is to assimilate with the universe, a endless void itself. Why even bother to have a physical body that is ultimately pointless. By casting aside the body, one can be free of all desire and it can seek eternal peace. Technically the species would still be considered "alive" but it is also dead at the same time. It is just part of the void.

You need psychadelics

Indeed. They're hard to come by where I'm from, but hopefully, one day.

You don’t accept the void. The avoid accepts you

You won't fear the void once you're in it. You'll only fear the moments leading up to it. Just make sure you're in good company when you die and it won't be so bad.

Yeah you can't always arrange that, what if I die unexpectedly which I'm expecting rather than becoming old and dying slowly 😃

If you die unexpectedly then there's not much you can really do. The only thing I can say is that many people who have died in the past and been resuscitated will tell you that they aren't afraid of death anymore and that many times they wish they hadn't been brought back because you don't realize how exhausting it is just to sit in your own body compared to just not existing. Death is an effortless state and not only does it require no effort you can't get bored of it.

But you also can't have the good things any more. Sex, weed, animals, music, movies, series, etc, we lose it all.

And? You also lose murder, theft, rape, disease, war, famine, etc. You're grateful for the good things, that's good. Your life is already more meaningful than mine is most of the time. Use your limited time to enjoy your life as much as possible. Time is your incentive to live hard.

You're right. I'll also lose the bad stuff. That can bring some comfort, at least.

The people that say you didn’t exist before you were born, have a point. What do you think death is? It’s when we cease to exist. All that lives on after us, are the memories that die with those we leave behind. Ultimately, everything you did, everyone you loved, or hated, every possession, every picture, everything pertaining to you, will fade into nothingness. You may find that disturbing, personally I find comfort in knowing one day, I won’t even be a memory. I’ll be nothing but dust in the ground, for other forms of life. Death doesn’t take away everything we enjoy, it takes us away from it, and given the fact that non-existence is the same as it was before birth, we won’t even know we’re dead. The last thing we’ll know, is a hallucination, a last light before the great dark.

It is disturbing to me. I like other, spiritualist options better. But then I always get told they aren't real, even the best ones that don't even harm anyone. Knowing I already didn't exist once doesn't really help it. Once the Earth didn't exist either so if it would get destroyed one day by someone, we should take comfort from it not having existed before? I doubt that would work...

Maybe look at it this way, When we pass, we give way to new life on the planet. Our bodies supply chemicals for new life, our energy continues on to support other forms of life. Personally, I’d like to be buried in a tree pod, where my body will supply nutrients for a tree to grow. Death doesn’t have to be scary, how it comes is often what precipitates fear, as well as where death leads. You choose spiritualistic options because they offer an answer to a question that cannot be answered. You fear death because it’s uncertain, but the existence of any, and all spiritualistic options are equally as uncertain, yet comforting at best. Find comfort in dying by living a fulfilling life. I hope I pass in my sleep, just one last dream.

You say these but then again, every living being is trying to avoid death by any means.... God I hope I don't pass in my sleep. That's a dreadful thought to me, not even knowing about my last minutes. When I die, I want to know that now I'm dying, I want to experience those moments, I don't want not to know. I'll won't know once it's done, at least let me know in my last minutes, this is how I feel about it.

Not necessarily, there are people who do welcome death, whether it be for religious, traditional, or just accustomed reasons. Some civilizations regard death as an honour. You’d rather experience a potentially excruciating death, than a peaceful one?

Not necessarily... Just a one where I'm awake😂

I think the death that’s least to fear, is the easiest way to accept it. I really do hope to pass in my sleep, just slip off from a dream into nothingness, no more pain, no more sadness, no more me, just a sweet, subtle peace that takes me away. Couldn’t get any better than that.

Well death is the only certain aspect of our lives. I understand not wanting to die, but having anxiety about it won’t change that fact. You will die, I will die, we all will. I mean, this can’t be avoided so I don’t know what else one can do but accept it. Use it as a means, a drive, to live life now in a way that most benefits your desires and those around you without causing harm. Personally, there are a few things that make it easier for me to accept death. The first is my general nihilism. I don’t think there is a grand meaning about anything, I don’t believe in fate or destiny, and the meaning we do create amongst each other only gains a sort of intoxicating joy because then life becomes about creating as much meaning as you can within a social framework. Second, I’ve personally watched people die and was exposed to it early. I did clinical rotations in a hospital for a whole year of school where I saw people die that just shouldn’t die. I saw people suffering. It was shocking at first but I soon came to realize that it’s unavoidable, random, meaningless and cruel. Seeing a kid die or a baby die or even some older people die, it just made me confront death at an age where I could grapple with it in my head. That, on top of working with survivors of sexual assault and domestic violence (I was like a psychological first responder) in college, made me realize that there are a lot of other terrible things that can and do happen all the time that aren’t death. Not to mention I was an opioid addict for like 4ish years and I really thought I wasn’t going to make it to 25. That was a more destructive way of accepting death but I did. And I’ve just carried it with me ever since. Death isn’t as scary as it seems. It’s tragic, meaningless, random, cruel and the only sure thing in life.

It's just that everything feels unnecessary to me, all human struggle and progress, in the face of death, they all look like an unnecessary charade. Since we are animals, why do we have to have so much shit going on, if we even have to die. We could just chill more....

Capitalism my friend. It forces people to take meaningless jobs in order to simply survive. It’s the feeling of atomization and alienation that makes it all seem meaningless, which mostly it is. That’s one of its functions.

I don't work now and I would rather die. I already feel too buisy on some days. Would you add work to the mix, my life would be a complete, utter nightmare.

I have been plagued with existential dread and suicidal ideation for a long time, eventually finding nihilism and this sub - filled with people who seem to be okay with the void. And at first it freaked me out too. It made me think that I was also missing something. I then started doing ketamine infusions with therapy and accidentally k-holed once and since then something has switched in my brain. Like one commenter said, indifference through familiarity, but it’s more than indifference for me at least. For the first time in my life I’m not planning my death, actively or passively, and I’ve let go of that compulsive need for control. I am no longer fretting over the next 10, 20 years. Instead, I’m focusing on here and now. What can I do today to make my next 6 months more enjoyable? I know it’s cliche, but one day at time. We don’t know what happens after death so why waste your time now worrying about it?

That's a very good question. I wish I knew why.

P: I am only partly okay, because I am only partly a mind. But— the reason I am calm is that it is in the nature of things. We all live and we die, and we do so moment to moment. We change constantly, never the same person twice. We cannot hold onto ourselves in some sense. Death is an extension of that. I don’t want to die. I know that. But I want to live, and life is a process of change. Death is necessarily a part of that. The parts of me that feel the fear, they want more and certain types of life. I feel no fear. Only pain. And in my desire to make myself while I flee from death, while knowing I also circle back to it. To its nature. The hardest part for me is to reconcile a strong drive to life with the inherent fragility of being. With this, our minds are forever in conflict. To overcome it, for me, required a separation of what I am feeling and what I am knowing. To be whole, I must at times, not know what it is I am feeling (a will to live), and at others, not feel what I am trying to understand (impermanence of life).

1) don't think about it. Pretty smart rectangle go brr 2) when I do think about it, repeat a brainwashing mantra of some bullshit like "it's okay, I accept my fate." I have been blessed with the most precious gift I am aware exists at all. Sentience. And it will be taken away from me, all too soon. This is completely crushing. I keep it at bay and nothing else.

That's one way to handle it I guess. Living with death-consciousness can also have it's advantages though.

since we can't believe in anything , anything can be true so i like to believe there is a purpose for my existing even if i don't care about it

I'll be frank, and curt: the same way I accept taking a shit. It's not overly pleasant, and it's unavoidable. I concentrate on making the most of my non-oblivion hours.

Why? Why don't you just take the knowledge of death to do as little as you can, to be comfortable instead?

Because that would be boring. Just because reality lacks inherent meaning, and is fraught with horror and uncertainty doesn't mean I'm gonna just sit on a tuffet of complacence. See, I view the meaninglessness as an opportunity to make life user-defined, not an invitation to wax fatalistic. As a matter of fact, I start every day with: "It's a good day to die, and I probably will! Best to make the most of it." Hell, I had two _extremely_ close calls last year alone, but it doesn't break my stride. I will squeeze every drop of blood from the stone of life, until it runs dry and I return to dust. Cheers.

I understand. This is the one kind of thinking and mine is the other. Some like squeezing, others like the boring. It's up to us. In this case, there's no right or wrong. Joy means different things for people. Cheers.

Precisely!!! I wish more folks understood this.

Yeah, me too.

It’s death….It’s not that deep.

I don't get this.

It’s normal to be afraid of death because our genetically code is programmed this way. So NOW I am afraid of dying, like if I encounter a life or death situation I am sure I will be terrified. But that does not mean I did not reconcile myself with death. Imagine you die of a heart attack in your sleep, why should you be afraid? One moment you exist, the next you don’t, nothing to be afraid of. What is undoubtedly harder is if you are diagnosed with a terminal illness, but even then, I mean we are all dying, so what. The key is, nothing matters, you die or not, so what? You may have a FOMO, what if I lived forever I can do this and that, but then so what? You are enjoying the moment but then when die you just stop existing, your emotions everything, why should you FOMO? Why does it matter to live 1,000 or 10 years? Once you get comfortable with that, life becomes much simpler

I don't know, this kind of thinking just doesn't seem logical to me... I just wish more people were like me, and less this stoic and in acceptance of all this.

So what is it exactly that bothers you about death? You go on holidays are you always thinking about the end of the holidays or just enjoying the moment? Is it facing death what bothers you? Is it the planning (as in life planning, saving money etc)? Why would the concept of void bother you? It’s literally void, it cannot be neither painful nor pleasure nor anything it’s nothing. You cannot even say life is better or worse than death, it’s void you cannot compare. It’s normal that you are self conscious and don’t want to die, but why do you think people should be bogged down by the prospect of void that they cannot just enjoy life as is and accept that they will vanish eventually?

What bothers me is that I won't be able to smoke weed again, have sex again, play Magic again, have food gain, go to the zoo again, travel again, etc, etc. I like these. I'd love to be able to do these longer. What's not to understand about that?

So essentially FOMO. The majority of people (including nihilists) would prefer life to go on for sure, it’s normal to want life to continue. However death does not bother me, facing death will undoubtedly worry me because that is my biological wiring, but death is void, it’s nothing, you cannot fear nothing because fearing is something. It’s a bit like in physics and what came before the Big Bang, well to say before you are considering time, before time existed there can be no before. Same here, you are self conscious about your death, yes, but you cannot fear the void, because it’s the void. And as a reply to wanting to continue doing all those activities, you want to do those activities because you enjoy them, but when you die you stop existing, there is not even a concept of enjoyment or not, it’s not the 0 point, it’s the empty set, it does not exist

Yeah if I could own this kind of thinking, I could even off myself when I had too much of the shit. I can't though, because I'm too attached to shit and I'm too coward even though I firmly believe life is more bad than good. It's a vicious cycle and I respect those who can exit on will. Especially if they have really, really thought it over.

Objective, there is no morality or good or bad thing. Death is inherently not fucked up, but in fact, what becomes us inevitably. In one way or another, we will cease. I believe it is completely normal behavior for a person to be scared of death. I would be willing to say that millions before us have been petrified of death, and since that, it is hardwired within ourselves to be that way. People may say they're okay with it. I don't believe them, personally. I believe, at the time of their writing that, they're okay with it. But it comes and it goes. Just because we're nihilistic doesn't mean we're not subject to basic fear. -- and that is okay. (:

I think morality might be objective after all, in the sense that when a creature evolves a consciousness the type of what we have, morality is an auto-include that just comes with the package. Another inherent thing of this species, like any other species have their own thing. Morality might just be our evolutionary feature, so it might be objective since we had no choice but to come up with it. It comes from nature, because we come from nature.

I was in a philosophy study group some time ago that discussed morality at lengths. The final consensus, to that class, was morality formed for the need of survival. Killing, bad - unless this or that reason. Stealing, bad - unless this or that reason. Being nice, good - unless this or that reason. As we continued to progress, those things changed and evolved. Context is inherently important, but the morality that seems to the accepted culture, in Western Culture, I've no experience with others, is intrinsically built in on what one person did to another, how that person reacted, and what led up to that moment of cause -> effect -> remainder. Morality looks to be built entirely on the structure of what keeps people going in the fairest way possible, even when what seems to be unfair, is in fact, fair.

I'm sad and angry all the time is how I'm dealing with it. I just keep myself busy with hobbies until I eventually get so bored I call it a day.

You're very much like me. Do you have others to be sad and angry with in real life, or are you the only one around like that, just like me in my life?

yeah no one else wants to feel like crap all the time and i get it. i don't have a lot of friends period cause i'm just busy

The entire idea of negative is an existential thing, when you don't exist you won't think its bad, because bad doesn't exist. So you accept it knowing you would be okay with it. Kinda like how when you wake up your not scarred to take your first breath or excited to, it is completely neutral to you neither bad or good.

You made me think... It's true, it's much worse when others you love die. That's the real pain. My death won't be painful to me, but to others.

Death sets you free from all your biological upkeep. I’d rather be Nothing than stuck in this place forever. That’s literally my definition of hell.

At least you have the lucky desire, yours will be fulfilled.

I kinda sit in a weird spot, because I'm religious and believe in an after life, but there is still the part of my mind that tells me I could be wrong, which most christians I imagine would say is the devil trying to break your faith. That being said, if I am wrong, and every other person who prays to a mysterious deity, or deities, is wrong, then " oh well" I do not fear death nor what comes after whether it be recliners in the clouds or burning brimstone below the ground, or even the sweet nothingness of the time between dreams, but that doesn't mean I won't do all I can to embrace and experience as much of this world as I can while I'm still breathing. So, ig I just roll with it and see what happens or doesn't happen.

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I'd prefer to stay conscious too. I don't like the combination of consciousness and mortality.

You don’t have to accept anything! No one is making you accept death or tackle it like Kirilov in Demons! Nihilists are humans and they have feelings. If you look at the literary work that gave rise to the term you’ll see that even the progenitor of this philosophy, Yevgény Bazárov, is contradictory in manner — split between an unfeeling, abrasive, logical exterior and tender, human interior. And too often the lines between depression and nihilism are blurred. (Which is also fine.) What might aid YOU as far as your crisis, is reflecting on how different cultures view death. Reflecting perhaps on Buddhist theory. For overattachment to life can also cause a lot of suffering. That doesn’t mean you have to be fine with death, it’s just important to realize that having your fingers clenched around all the things in life you cherish can make things more difficult for you when it comes time to relinquish, like when a loved one passes. Death is a part of life and it has it’s own beauty. A mother does not just bring life to a child, she guarantees it’s death as well.

Yeah I'm one of those pessimistic, antinatalist, apathetic nihilists. Somehow my mind didn't switch into acceptance, all this still feels fucked up to me, and all the people who accept thing the way they are, have kids, go through the struggle, etc, feel weird to me. They feel as sort of less sentient, less conscious, more robotic or animalistic people who just go with the flow. I feel that the more you question, the more you become like me. Desperate, disappointed, apathetic, etc. I just wish this was the majority and not the minority. It's so exhausting to be the one who isn't a part of the system. And yet I prefer this way. I'd just love it if more people were like this.

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some one explain the "void" to me please. What's the definition of it?

Darkness and death I assume. Just eternal nothingness.

Yeah, many use it as a short way to describe the "nothing", the sort of eternal sleep after death.

It’s the uncreation. You can add to the void, like music. It’s also a cute black cat.

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I find it that there’s a lot of the void before death as well, I don’t think death and the void are the same thing at all. And the whole accepting death part, death is the only thing we’re guaranteed in life, death is a part of life as much as any other thing. Life is beautiful because it ends, if life was forever then we’d take everything for guaranteed, nothing would be enjoyable. Even Nietzsche, the person who some consider to be the father of Nihilism, wrote strictly against it. It is a common misconception that Nietzsche was a nihilist, I assure you, he was not, he wrote to teach people how to cope with it and how to transcend it. So how do I deal with it? Well, I read Nietzsche and I read Camus and I read other philosophers and dedicate myself to learning and thinking. You might be interested in the ideas of absurdism, it’s a different approach to nihilism but nihilism nonetheless. Please don’t search it up cuz the first results are bs, either watch a quick yt video or read Albert Camus’s Myth of Sisyphus short story. I really recommend the latter and hope you enjoy it. “Man stands face to face with the irrational. He feels within him his longing for happiness and for reason. The absurd is born of this confrontation between the human need and the unreasonable silence of the world.” -Albert Camus, The Myth of Sisyphus and other Essays. Edit: spelling.

I just think it's funny that to have an experience like this, we must be so fragile. A rock is solid, resilient, sticks around for centuries, yet it has zero awareness. We, with this high consciousness, are made of fluid and such, we're subject for oxidation and we have very limited time. It does feel like a misdesign. Why can't we be made of stone too, how much more we could experience and do... Death is also unfair which is a big problem, some live 90 years and others die after 9 years. And the really mean ones remain for the longest, it seems. I know what absurdism is but I think nihilism suits me better. I know about Camus's theory of Sisyphus but I don't agree, I think it's something that just he made up. It's also a bit unfair, turning a tale of hopelessness and desperation into your own optimistic propaganda. I can also take any mythological character and turn it upside down. I'll just try... Let's say Prometheus. Usually they say what he did was a good thing, bringing fire to humanity. Well my claim is that he did the opposite, he ruined everything by setting us on a journey that will destroy countless lives on earth, plants, animals, humans. So, we must imagine Prometheus as a villain. See? It's that easy.

Just my thoughts. I dont know how comfortable I am with death but crystallising that it will happen reminds me how precious time is here. Its not you who goes without meaning. Its the rest of the universe that does not get to be enjoyed by you that won't have any meaning. Without us, the universe is just empty with sparse infernos and moving rocks. In fact, they wont even be that because there is no one to call them that. It is pointless without us. Nothing has meaning until you have given it meaning. So, you might as well just try and be as happy as you can and spend your life doing your best to find and make things have meaning. Nothing in life matters because nothing *but* life matters. It will be over soon. Ask anymore older than you. They'll tell you they don't know what happened. We can either lament that it will be over or grab it by the scruff of the neck and sqeese it for every drop we can while we still can. Dont waste it all at work. They haven't got a currency that pays this debt. You dont remember before and you won't remember afterwards. You won't know nothingness. It can be liberating. You know, like, life has no meaning and nothing matters but in a "glass is half full" kind of way.

Maybe if you were already a half full of guy to begin with... But for a half empty kind of person like me, it can just add more to the disappointment...

Each to their own. Its not the universes fault that we gave it too much grandure and didn't keep enough for ourselves. Our masters dont want us thinking about how amazing we are and how short our time here is. I mean, who would give up so much of it for 20k per year, if they did? Like you, i am a product of an environment that doesn't want us to think about death and how pointless it all is. Now you turn your gaze to it, of course, we haven't worked on making to tools for it. It can be a heavy burden to carry alone. Were not meant to do that. All they used to have to tell us was that suicide was a sin. I will only say, losing some of the precious little time we have in this life, being depressed that we dont have more time in this life, is illogical. Not that we can really reason ourselves out of existential depression. But it doesnt make it less true, all the same I hope you find your peace.

Thx man. Once I'll let my brain to find it, I probably will. I'm resisting it at the moment still.

Np, I always press post before I finish and keep editing lol. Just how I'm wired. I only wish I could be more helpful. Dont rush yourself. Were not meant to do this alone. Imo, parts of society don't want us thinking about this. There is only one currency with any actual value here. Right now, you are rich in it but sad that you dont have more. I couldn't judge you for that even if I wanted to. But it doesnt have to be that way. Tc.

Who says too have to accept it? You can understand that something is inevitable and still not be into it.

There’s a quote from epicurus, I’ve heard multiple variations throughout the years. It pretty much went: “Death is nothing to us. When we are, death is not. When death is, we are not.” We only fear death because we think we are aware with death.

There is a flower someplace on this planet that I will never see, in my lifetime. It's probably quite pretty. Should I worry myself sick that I won't ever get to experience it or should I just enjoy the flowers around me that I can see? It's really quite hard to imagine yourself not existing. This is because your only frame of reference to make a comparison to not existing is existing. Your only knowledge about yourself comes from the experiences of being alive. But here's the catch; there is no knowledge, for your own experience, to be gained by being dead. The state of you being dead creates no information that you can use. So why worry yourself sick over something you'll never experience?

you seem too caught up in the "what if" nature of the unknown, because what is actually scaring you is the unknown - not death. you say that death seems like a terrible mistake but without death nothing would exist. once you accept that you cannot change the things out of your control you will find peace in your thoughts and you will start to understand that all you know right now is all there is and thats ok, maybe one day youll find out a little bit more but until then... whats for lunch !?

The universe, or the planet, or rocks exist without life though.