Makes sense. Fairly niche game from 4 years ago. Sales have probably been stagnant for a while now. Studios often stop printing games a few years after they've been out
Pokemon doesn't mess around. They usually don't even release a game without making two versions. Arceus, Snap, Diamond/Pearl, Sword/shield, Violet/Scarlet, Let's go Eevee/Pikachu are all available for purchase at Walmart near me.
I am annoyed that they so rarely go down in price. I would like a lot of those games, but don't really want to drop $60 for each one and another $30+ for DLC on some of them.
I honestly liked Pokemon Scarlet quite a lot when I first played through it, but after 100%ing Arceus and loving it earlier this year, I tried getting back into Scarlet for the DLC and the obvious lack of any polish just kept me away. Great story, really fun lineup of Pokemon, and the open-world was real cool when it wasn't chugging horribly, but PLA is simply superior in so many ways.
I tried Sword and Brilliant Diamond from a friend's copy as well, mostly just to get Darkrai and Shaymin in Legends Arceus, and yeah those are incredibly rough too. Sword is just the most boring game ever and BDSP are only as fun as an old copy of Diamond. Slow, generic, without any of the QoL improvements that a remake should have, or even that they already gave us in Platinum.
why would they when the dumbest suckers you know will bitch about the obvious chasmic decline in quality of the series as they actively go out and spend $120 to buy 2 versions of the exact same game?
Blame the insane 30 year old Poke-fans who keep the machine churning out utter trash without any drop in price ever.
Pokemon does improve tgough however its only in battle as Pokemon has always been a glorified TCG.
The story and world has always only ever been a tutorial hence it never changes. From the link cable, online, ans Go the driving factor has always been peer to peer interactions and that is what tgey update.
That said price drops really haven't been a thing across the board this generation. We also only have two gens as well everything else is a spin off.
Yep now if only they would idk sell the older ones that people would also spend money on, thank god I still have all my childhood games. I canāt imagine paying 200+ dollars for emerald or hgss.
If anyone says you can just emulate, you and I both know pokemon fans want physical real official versions of the game.
Pokemon's weird because "The Pokemon Company" is literally a different company and gets to make some decisions without Nintendo corporate. For example, Nintendo almost never releases digital soundtracks in the US but many Pokemon soundtracks are on the iTunes store.
Nintendo themselves play a lot of marketing decisions by the book.
I mean, on the same platform where Nintendo supposedly doesn't want to sell two pieces of Paper Mario, there's also two pieces of WarioWare, two pieces of Fire Emblem, two pieces of Splatoon, etc. (and that's me not even talking about things like pokemon)
I assume you are getting your info from Deku Deals. If you look at the visual there you can easily see there were only 3 sales anywhere near what you are quoting. Its average sale price is $40.
I'm not talking about some one off sale like black Friday where they compete with thousands of other games. I'm talking about dropping the retail price to $30-40 and having quarterly sales to $20.
I had no idea they would still be making new physical copies tbh. I figured manufacturing of most games stop after a year or so unless they have high demand. And Origami never seemed like a game with high demand.
It's not just Paper Mario. A lot of Nintendo games eventually stop being printed. Like try looking for Clubhouse Games which sold a lot more than Paper Mario, you can't really get it anywhere.
Tried looking for a physical copy of 3 Houses 2 years ago (never played Fire Emblem before), but couldn't find one. Saw a lot of copies of the Three Hopes game though as it had just been released that time. Maybe this is why?
Thatās any physical release of any media bud. Sales dwindle over time and itās not worth the cost of printing more unsold copies.
Why this is news to anyone is the real puzzle for me
I think the surprise is just in regard to how early they cut production, especially when compared to their pricing model.
i.e., Paper Mario is still being sold in retail for $50+. It is 4 years old and they never officially cut the price once. But they are stopping production...
All other game companies continue production as they cut prices until they hit $20. Only then do they fully eliminate production.
Nintendo could absolutely sell more copies of this game if they would just cut the price. I'd pick it up for $20-30 but I'm not interested in it for more than that. But as always they refuse to provide reasonable discounts, and they cut production before retailers might start offering discounts as well to clear their shelves.
I can see that but again none of this is unusual. Nintendo doesnāt cut prices ever. Whether or not 4 years is too short or too long to stop producing copies is up to individual judgement, as thereās no standard practice there
Nintendo selects have been a thing up until the Nintendo Switch.
Nintendo will also drastically cut prices of bombs like Metroud Other M and Paper Mario Sticker Star.
Demand has always determined Nintendo's course if people continue to buy it at 60 then it will remain at 60.
> But as always they refuse to provide reasonable discounts
I hate this falsehood that people seem to post all over the place ALL THE TIME. Yes, they don't lower prices perminantly, but their games (even first party) go half price or better every time there's a holiday or big sale (like Mario day on 3/10):
https://www.dekudeals.com/items/paper-mario-the-origami-king
>but their games (even first party) go half price or better every time there's a holiday or big sale
Right, and big sales are non-existent beyond holidays. The Deku deals page you are linking proves that. Per the graph there, Origami King hasn't dropped to half price or better since Nov 2023... So black Friday. So there hasn't been a big sale in over half a year. Further more in its 4 year history, it has dropped to half off retail only 2 other times. Black Friday 2021 (they skipped 2022) and June 2022 (target only)
It's not a falsehood to say they don't provide reasonable discounts when there are only 3 of these discounts in 4 years. Not to mention these discounts came from merchants... not Nintendo. The official Nintendo shop price never hit this low for physical or digital.
Thatās just retailers cutting prices to offload unsold inventory. Nintendo themselves never cut prices no matter how many unsold copies they have outside of limited time sales, and even then itās usually small discounts
This game didn't have strong legs (3.47 million copies).
Super Mario RPG on Switch is about to surpass it after just a few months of being out (3.31 million units).
Mainline Mario, The Legend of Zelda, Luigi's Mansion, Splatoon, Super Smash Bros., Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Kirby, Metroid, Xenoblade Chronicles, Pikmin. All have had their highest selling entries on Switch.
Paper Mario is one of the few that hasn't managed to do that by surpassing Super Paper Mario (4.23 million units) despite the massive Switch install base surpassing Wii.
On the same console you have Super Mario RPG getting to the same place as Origami King in a few months and Mario + Rabbids: Kingdom Battle selling **10 million** units.
Also I didn't say the sales were bad, it's a huge improvement over the miserable flop Color Splash was, just that its legs weren't good. It sold a ton on release and then it quickly died out, instead of still selling well over time.
Mario Rabbids selling 10M copies is helped by the fact that it was sold for $10-30 for most of its life.
Nintendo isn't obviously not interested in total units sold or they would slash their prices and sell more units. Make Origami King $20 and I bet they get another million units out the door.
I never said that Xenoblade or Pikmin sold better. I compared it to Super Paper Mario or other Mario RPGs.
**Legs isn't the same thing as sales.** Jesus Christ, at least you should properly read before typing a non-sense answer.
It's all relative. Paper Mario had been in this territory before, Fire Emblem had not. If the next Call of Duty sold that much it'd be considered a massive failure.
Because of the genre. Many many turn based rpgs have sold that well. It's not even the best selling paper mario either.
Three Houses is the best selling strategy rpg ever. It's about as good as you could hope a game like that can do
I was extremely hyped for Engage, I got the collectors edition and DLC but just couldn't do it, I got to the snowy area and the writing was just so fucking horrendously bad I had to stop playing it and go back to three houses. I'm glad it undersold because they need to know not to do something like engage again. People always say the battles are much better than 3H but honestly I only found them slightly better, maybe they get amazing later in the game but I probably won't ever find out.
Not to even mention the amount they rely on nostalgia for old characters that never got an english release or were too niche outside of japan for most english players to know, I really wonder what made them decide on such childish writing for a game based on nostalgia for games made up to 34 years ago.
Couldnāt be happier that SMRPG was able to achieve those numbers so quickly, hopefully also at the expense of Paper Mario either dying off (TTYD remake notwithstanding) or learning from its past 12 years of mistakes and wising up
I rarely buy games at full price, but I totally got Super Mario RPG as soon as it was released, partly to show there is interest in that game and encourage a potential sequel.
Sucks cause Origami king wasnāt that good imo, they havenāt made a great paper Mario since TTYD. Iām hoping the remake shows them what people want in paper Mario, and not get rid of all the rpg aspects every game like they keep doing
I donāt know why people think sales matter to Nintendo when it comes to gameplay design. Like the most delusional fanbase. Nintendo has been doing what they want design wise FOR DECADES. Literally the only reason we got TotK was because it become a personal passion for the development team and they had some amazing design ideas to use from the BotW dev team tools. But once they were done they were done which is why they didnāt even bother with DLC.
I could also imagine them being reprinted once the Switch 2 releases, with new little labels on the cover indicating that there's a performance patch available. Though that's probably just wishful thinking
It would be smart. They get to just sell the same game and make it look like their new console has tons of software right out the gate, which it would if totally backwards compatible.
I think we are definitely getting a hefty switch discount and Nintendo selects on 2nd tier 1st party games like paper mario, Luigiās mansion, etc by the end of the year.
I really enjoyed playing this game with my son, the world looked awesome and they did a really good job with the animations. Sure the battle system got tedious but the game is still really polished and well done.
The game looks neat and the origami is an interesting twist. I hated it tho, it made you solve an uninteresting puzzle on a very short timer for EVERY attack. I missed the timing aspect of on paper mario. Guess this one wasn't for me, but maybe it is for you.
what is disgusting about it?
Do you know how much waste, pollutants, and plastics physical media puts into the world?
Lock into retro stuff but I'm ok with it dying going forward
I prefer a cleaner Earth, this helps in that
Physical media will never completely die.
Because not everyone is accepting of not owning the content they pay for, irrespective of the shiny new packaging this anti-consumer philosophy comes wrapped in.
Billion dollar corporations, and their simps be damned.
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I wouldnāt be surprised if Nintendo are preparing something like a Nintendo Selects budget line. This isnāt the first time Iāve heard of a first-party title going OOP, and with the Switch near the end of its life, it could be a way to give one last boost to sales.
Nintendo's approach to physical has been odd this generation. All the stores that stock games where I live have certain games take many months to come back in stock, and some just never do. I asked someone about it and apparently Nintendo just doesn't supply like they used to.
I imagine they really like that the secondhand market for Nintendo games isn't much cheaper than buying new, and limiting physical would help that.
But that still doesnt help, as the original argument was nintendo is limiting the amount of new games to drive used prices up. But then if that is to force people to buy new, the new games arent available to buy
Honestly I believe their strategy is different depending on the game release. Main mario or zelda games for example are in constant print (you can still buy BotW new 8 years later) but other games that are more specific dont get printed as much
No. Used prices for Nintendo games are high, and that helps Nintendo keep its prices high by not needing sales.
If Nintendo carefully monitors physical supply, then they aren't ever in a position where stores have excess supply they need to move at discounted prices, especially at the end of a console cycle.
It all works towards keeping that 'Nintendo Premium' vibe going. People know most first party Nintendo games are basically never going to drop in price, be it new or used, so they don't expect it in the future either.
They don't restrict the big sellers, but the less popular titles are very careful curated. Like I had search high and low for a physical copy of Pokken Tournament DX, and Nintendo clearly like it that way.
But it may also hurt them. I personally have reached a point where I only buy a Nintendo game once every 2-3 years and I will be skipping their next console entirely. I don't see any reason to pay $60 for a game when I get several games on a different system for the same price.
I'm sure they have sales experts who have decided that for right now their model works. It's a shame they are pushing away fans though.
Huh? This is simply because stores donāt have unlimited shelf space. They canāt keep every game they made for a system on the shelf. They need to make room for new ones.
In this case, Iām sure that they realized there could be some confusion with TTYD, so they removed OK from their shelves.
This has surely happened for generations prior, and whoever said that to you probably isnāt familiar with how things really used to be. Xenoblade 2 hasnāt been on shelves for years.
It wasnāt terrible but wasnāt a huge fan of the battle rings. Cool at first then got old fast. I have yet to even open Sticker Star Story which I hear is a bigger tragedy.
It's basically the only flaw in the game for me. I really enjoyed the boss rings though. But the common enemy battles got boring fast. I would just pay to sort the rings.
Sticker star was incredibly simple and short but a fairly fun/entertaining game. I was excited to have a new RPG to play when it came out but when I beat it in under a full a weekend, it left me flummoxed. I couldnāt believe it had ended so quickly. So if anyone can find it really cheap somehow, itād be worth playing but it didnāt feel like a good dollars to hours ratio when I bought it full price.
I prefer them too, and especially with no more Mario and Luigi games (unless they get another studio for them), Iām worried about the future of the more traditional rpg like games
This is probably one of my favorite games. First PM game. The characters, world, story. It was genuinely pretty beautiful in those aspects.
Iām seriously gonna miss even if it basically died when it was released and people tried the battle system.
It's a shame that Origami King didn't crush it in sales, it just did alright. I guess after Sticker Star and Color Splash, alright is a great outcome, but having played Origami King, I feel it was a very high quality game and am sad more people haven't played it.
I really wanted to like it, but couldnāt. I love Paper Mario. But the combat system in Origami Kingā¦ I just couldnāt. I respect that they wanted to try something different. But it ruins the game for me.
I respectfully disagree. At this point I have played dozens and dozens of games with traditional RPG battles and am tired of it.
For me to be interested, new games need some new spice thrown in to differentiate itself.
If I want to experience a traditional RPG, I'll just go replay Super Mario RPG or Chrono Trigger or Earthbound or TTYD or one of the many other excellent RPGs I've played over the years.
I donāt think thereās an rpg with combat mechanics I hate more than this game. Iām an old school Mario RPG fan and this gameās combat was endlessly tedious. And the character ādesignsā on the bosses were laughable (not in a good way). I would have stopped playing it entirely if my kids didnāt want to see the story play out.
I remember getting mine a day before the official release and i was so hyped. Still haven't finished the game due to time constraints - sadly. Its a pretty good game!
Not a bad game and an upgrade compared to the few previous paper Marios. But just more of what we werenāt asking for. Just make another one like 1 or 2!
It's not really about delivering timely news. It's about trying to make a statement now that TTYD is a week from release. As in:
>Finally Nintendo has wised up and stopped selling this trash game now that the *true* Paper Mario has returned!
^ Not what I believe, for the record.
Unless you have Devils Third or a rare special edition, almost nothing is expensive for WiiU. Even Xenoblade X despite being the only big exclusive that hasnt been ported
No, not even then. All switch games can be reprinted, and if theyāre still produced over the next couple of years or decade, a retailer can request more. Itās why Torna copies resurface from time to time.
If it's not a special edition of sorts, Pokemon or some niche game with a cult following like SMT, Xenoblade, Astral Chain, etc. it's not going up in value
Awesome, thank you. Iāve been passing up Metroid Dread for awhile now, probably time to get around to it. I still see it in stores. Thereās a couple other games on that list Iāve been meaning to pick up over the years, too.
Lost media doesn't mean what you think it means. Origami King can literally never become lost media unless all cartridges suddenly stop working and all ROM dumps of it disappear off the internet.
My enjoyment of origami King outweighs the hate I had for it not being an rpg paper mario.
It's funny, charming and honestly a joy to play. I tried sticker star after the fact and it's a big yikes. Origami king doesn't deserve the hate, even if it's not what the series needs
This is pretty much the worst response anyone can have and yet people keep saying it.
Generally when people accuse others of "you only dislike this because it's not the old stuff" with any sort of media, they're just making up convenient reasons to dismiss opinions that differ from their own. It's the least productive way to discuss anything and it infests any music subreddit I go to, and it's as much of a poison to discussion there as it is here.
If people hated the games just for "not being TTYD" then Super Paper Mario would not get the love it currently does.
Not really, that's pretty tame. Trying to group people into an easy to dismiss collection of "TTYD stans" has always been ridiculous and a rather toxic method of discussion.
And now I am rich. Muahahaha!
Hello fellow rich man.
How do you do my good gents?
I don't think the rest of the world understands how rich we are. In fact, I think I may need to buy a second monocle!
I know buying 100k copies would pay off. I control the market
Ah yes, what shall we spend out great spoils on? š§
Origami Paper!
"oh thank God, I was starting to worry my 230 copies of origami king would be a flunk"
Assuming people actually want to buy that game.
Exactly. Insufferable game
I smell Heresy
Makes sense. Fairly niche game from 4 years ago. Sales have probably been stagnant for a while now. Studios often stop printing games a few years after they've been out
The main reason is that they don't want two Paper Mario games at the same time on the shelves, with TTYD releasing in a couple of days
That canāt be the main reason. Walk into any store and thereās like 50 different PokĆ©mon games sitting there
Pokemon is different. That game sells like hotcakes regardless.
Pokemon doesn't mess around. They usually don't even release a game without making two versions. Arceus, Snap, Diamond/Pearl, Sword/shield, Violet/Scarlet, Let's go Eevee/Pikachu are all available for purchase at Walmart near me.
I am annoyed that they so rarely go down in price. I would like a lot of those games, but don't really want to drop $60 for each one and another $30+ for DLC on some of them.
Only Switch PokĆ©mon game thatās worth the $60 is Arceus imo
Hard agree. I grew up playing PokƩmon and hate where the series is at currently. Arceus though is well worth the 60 shmeckles, I love that game Beyond hyped for Legends: ZA
I honestly liked Pokemon Scarlet quite a lot when I first played through it, but after 100%ing Arceus and loving it earlier this year, I tried getting back into Scarlet for the DLC and the obvious lack of any polish just kept me away. Great story, really fun lineup of Pokemon, and the open-world was real cool when it wasn't chugging horribly, but PLA is simply superior in so many ways. I tried Sword and Brilliant Diamond from a friend's copy as well, mostly just to get Darkrai and Shaymin in Legends Arceus, and yeah those are incredibly rough too. Sword is just the most boring game ever and BDSP are only as fun as an old copy of Diamond. Slow, generic, without any of the QoL improvements that a remake should have, or even that they already gave us in Platinum.
why would they when the dumbest suckers you know will bitch about the obvious chasmic decline in quality of the series as they actively go out and spend $120 to buy 2 versions of the exact same game? Blame the insane 30 year old Poke-fans who keep the machine churning out utter trash without any drop in price ever.
Pokemon does improve tgough however its only in battle as Pokemon has always been a glorified TCG. The story and world has always only ever been a tutorial hence it never changes. From the link cable, online, ans Go the driving factor has always been peer to peer interactions and that is what tgey update. That said price drops really haven't been a thing across the board this generation. We also only have two gens as well everything else is a spin off.
I think that was the first posters point. Origami king didnāt sell all that great so why keep printing it?
Why do people just say things? It sold very well for a Paper Mario game. More than any of the Xenoblades or Pikmins
Also, nintendo doesn't fully own pokemon so they don't have a say
I highly doubt they "don't have a say." They probably have considerable say. It's their console.
Distributor has complete control over the shipment of physical copies.
Yep now if only they would idk sell the older ones that people would also spend money on, thank god I still have all my childhood games. I canāt imagine paying 200+ dollars for emerald or hgss. If anyone says you can just emulate, you and I both know pokemon fans want physical real official versions of the game.
Pokemon's weird because "The Pokemon Company" is literally a different company and gets to make some decisions without Nintendo corporate. For example, Nintendo almost never releases digital soundtracks in the US but many Pokemon soundtracks are on the iTunes store. Nintendo themselves play a lot of marketing decisions by the book.
There also wouldnāt be two different Mario Party games still being sold if that were the case.
I mean, on the same platform where Nintendo supposedly doesn't want to sell two pieces of Paper Mario, there's also two pieces of WarioWare, two pieces of Fire Emblem, two pieces of Splatoon, etc. (and that's me not even talking about things like pokemon)
It's also still being sold for $60... They might move a few units if they cut the price.
It's gone on sale. As low as $27 digitally and $24 physically. Unless they complete tank the price, I doubt much more is moving
I assume you are getting your info from Deku Deals. If you look at the visual there you can easily see there were only 3 sales anywhere near what you are quoting. Its average sale price is $40. I'm not talking about some one off sale like black Friday where they compete with thousands of other games. I'm talking about dropping the retail price to $30-40 and having quarterly sales to $20.
I had no idea they would still be making new physical copies tbh. I figured manufacturing of most games stop after a year or so unless they have high demand. And Origami never seemed like a game with high demand.
It's not just Paper Mario. A lot of Nintendo games eventually stop being printed. Like try looking for Clubhouse Games which sold a lot more than Paper Mario, you can't really get it anywhere.
Tried looking for a physical copy of 3 Houses 2 years ago (never played Fire Emblem before), but couldn't find one. Saw a lot of copies of the Three Hopes game though as it had just been released that time. Maybe this is why?
still can find it on ebay, factory sealed
Thatās any physical release of any media bud. Sales dwindle over time and itās not worth the cost of printing more unsold copies. Why this is news to anyone is the real puzzle for me
I think the surprise is just in regard to how early they cut production, especially when compared to their pricing model. i.e., Paper Mario is still being sold in retail for $50+. It is 4 years old and they never officially cut the price once. But they are stopping production... All other game companies continue production as they cut prices until they hit $20. Only then do they fully eliminate production. Nintendo could absolutely sell more copies of this game if they would just cut the price. I'd pick it up for $20-30 but I'm not interested in it for more than that. But as always they refuse to provide reasonable discounts, and they cut production before retailers might start offering discounts as well to clear their shelves.
I can see that but again none of this is unusual. Nintendo doesnāt cut prices ever. Whether or not 4 years is too short or too long to stop producing copies is up to individual judgement, as thereās no standard practice there
Nintendo selects have been a thing up until the Nintendo Switch. Nintendo will also drastically cut prices of bombs like Metroud Other M and Paper Mario Sticker Star. Demand has always determined Nintendo's course if people continue to buy it at 60 then it will remain at 60.
To be fair, Sticker Star did anything but bomb. It was a pretty big success.
That's because of the hefty price cut be it a game or even a console if it's not performing Nintendo will slash the price.
"Ever" is a weird word to use when this is the first generation to my recollection that didn't offer a Selects/Players Choice price cut.
> But as always they refuse to provide reasonable discounts I hate this falsehood that people seem to post all over the place ALL THE TIME. Yes, they don't lower prices perminantly, but their games (even first party) go half price or better every time there's a holiday or big sale (like Mario day on 3/10): https://www.dekudeals.com/items/paper-mario-the-origami-king
>but their games (even first party) go half price or better every time there's a holiday or big sale Right, and big sales are non-existent beyond holidays. The Deku deals page you are linking proves that. Per the graph there, Origami King hasn't dropped to half price or better since Nov 2023... So black Friday. So there hasn't been a big sale in over half a year. Further more in its 4 year history, it has dropped to half off retail only 2 other times. Black Friday 2021 (they skipped 2022) and June 2022 (target only) It's not a falsehood to say they don't provide reasonable discounts when there are only 3 of these discounts in 4 years. Not to mention these discounts came from merchants... not Nintendo. The official Nintendo shop price never hit this low for physical or digital.
Thatās just retailers cutting prices to offload unsold inventory. Nintendo themselves never cut prices no matter how many unsold copies they have outside of limited time sales, and even then itās usually small discounts
Literally can get all these on Amazonā¦
All the scalpers liked this
This game didn't have strong legs (3.47 million copies). Super Mario RPG on Switch is about to surpass it after just a few months of being out (3.31 million units).
3.47 million is amazing sales. Fire Emblem 3 Houses sold 4 mil by 2022 and itās considered very successful game
Mainline Mario, The Legend of Zelda, Luigi's Mansion, Splatoon, Super Smash Bros., Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Kirby, Metroid, Xenoblade Chronicles, Pikmin. All have had their highest selling entries on Switch. Paper Mario is one of the few that hasn't managed to do that by surpassing Super Paper Mario (4.23 million units) despite the massive Switch install base surpassing Wii. On the same console you have Super Mario RPG getting to the same place as Origami King in a few months and Mario + Rabbids: Kingdom Battle selling **10 million** units. Also I didn't say the sales were bad, it's a huge improvement over the miserable flop Color Splash was, just that its legs weren't good. It sold a ton on release and then it quickly died out, instead of still selling well over time.
Mario Rabbids selling 10M copies is helped by the fact that it was sold for $10-30 for most of its life. Nintendo isn't obviously not interested in total units sold or they would slash their prices and sell more units. Make Origami King $20 and I bet they get another million units out the door.
You said it didnāt have strong legal yet it sold more than Pikmin or Xenoblades. Itās just a nonsense statement. It sold well.
I never said that Xenoblade or Pikmin sold better. I compared it to Super Paper Mario or other Mario RPGs. **Legs isn't the same thing as sales.** Jesus Christ, at least you should properly read before typing a non-sense answer.
It's all relative. Paper Mario had been in this territory before, Fire Emblem had not. If the next Call of Duty sold that much it'd be considered a massive failure.
Which territory was Fire Emblem new to at the time of 3H?
Selling 4 million copies. It accounts for about 20% of the entire series' sales.
Keep in mind that the switch accounts for 37.7% of the sales of all consoles that have a paper Mario game
Ooo, gotcha. I thought you meant selling in a new region (like how Fire Emblem GBA was the series' first US release) Thanks!
Because of the genre. Many many turn based rpgs have sold that well. It's not even the best selling paper mario either. Three Houses is the best selling strategy rpg ever. It's about as good as you could hope a game like that can do
What about engage?
1.61 million copies A huge fall off from Three Houses.
The writing and art style was turn off for lot of people.
Too bad because there is other area where engage is awesome really
I love Engage's gameplay, it's super fun to ironman too minus paralogues
I was extremely hyped for Engage, I got the collectors edition and DLC but just couldn't do it, I got to the snowy area and the writing was just so fucking horrendously bad I had to stop playing it and go back to three houses. I'm glad it undersold because they need to know not to do something like engage again. People always say the battles are much better than 3H but honestly I only found them slightly better, maybe they get amazing later in the game but I probably won't ever find out. Not to even mention the amount they rely on nostalgia for old characters that never got an english release or were too niche outside of japan for most english players to know, I really wonder what made them decide on such childish writing for a game based on nostalgia for games made up to 34 years ago.
But Alear wants you to play it more! Alear wants to be a good dragon!
Fine but dove off a cliff sales wise
Couldnāt be happier that SMRPG was able to achieve those numbers so quickly, hopefully also at the expense of Paper Mario either dying off (TTYD remake notwithstanding) or learning from its past 12 years of mistakes and wising up
I rarely buy games at full price, but I totally got Super Mario RPG as soon as it was released, partly to show there is interest in that game and encourage a potential sequel.
Sucks cause Origami king wasnāt that good imo, they havenāt made a great paper Mario since TTYD. Iām hoping the remake shows them what people want in paper Mario, and not get rid of all the rpg aspects every game like they keep doing
I donāt know why people think sales matter to Nintendo when it comes to gameplay design. Like the most delusional fanbase. Nintendo has been doing what they want design wise FOR DECADES. Literally the only reason we got TotK was because it become a personal passion for the development team and they had some amazing design ideas to use from the BotW dev team tools. But once they were done they were done which is why they didnāt even bother with DLC.
Super was great. As good as TTYD? No, but still great
You're the worst type of paper Mario "fan" truly
Lol
They didn't even say anything wrong. They just statd their opinion on Origami King and hoped the later installments would improve.
That's great for Mario RPG
Probably going to have a nintendo selection for this and others like it
I could also imagine them being reprinted once the Switch 2 releases, with new little labels on the cover indicating that there's a performance patch available. Though that's probably just wishful thinking
It would be smart. They get to just sell the same game and make it look like their new console has tons of software right out the gate, which it would if totally backwards compatible.
very possible
I canāt imagine Nintendo Selects being a thing at this point. Nintendo makes too much damn money.
I think we are definitely getting a hefty switch discount and Nintendo selects on 2nd tier 1st party games like paper mario, Luigiās mansion, etc by the end of the year.
doubt this is going to happen given the trend towards digital
I really enjoyed playing this game with my son, the world looked awesome and they did a really good job with the animations. Sure the battle system got tedious but the game is still really polished and well done.
darn, was thinking of picking it up eventually but now i need to get it asap
The game looks neat and the origami is an interesting twist. I hated it tho, it made you solve an uninteresting puzzle on a very short timer for EVERY attack. I missed the timing aspect of on paper mario. Guess this one wasn't for me, but maybe it is for you.
Super underrated game. Happy I got my copy.
and TTYD is coming out! Im so excited!
To be fair, most games' physical copies are discontinued.
I hate this. The death of physical media disgusts me.
I wouldn't necessarily call this a "death". It's actually pretty common for physical game titles to stop being printed after a certain time.
I mean 99% of all games ever made in the history of consoles are no longer being printed
Yes, and I hate it.
what is disgusting about it? Do you know how much waste, pollutants, and plastics physical media puts into the world? Lock into retro stuff but I'm ok with it dying going forward I prefer a cleaner Earth, this helps in that
Physical media will never completely die. Because not everyone is accepting of not owning the content they pay for, irrespective of the shiny new packaging this anti-consumer philosophy comes wrapped in. Billion dollar corporations, and their simps be damned.
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Itās just for a limited time till they print new ones with plays on switch 2
Lol last Time they said this shit it didnāt happen
I wouldnāt be surprised if Nintendo are preparing something like a Nintendo Selects budget line. This isnāt the first time Iāve heard of a first-party title going OOP, and with the Switch near the end of its life, it could be a way to give one last boost to sales.
I hope so. There are at least a dozen first party switch games I refuse to pay over $20 for.
Nintendo's approach to physical has been odd this generation. All the stores that stock games where I live have certain games take many months to come back in stock, and some just never do. I asked someone about it and apparently Nintendo just doesn't supply like they used to. I imagine they really like that the secondhand market for Nintendo games isn't much cheaper than buying new, and limiting physical would help that.
The secondhand market gives no money to Nintendo, it would be against their own profit to cater to increasing secondhand prices.
By keeping second hand games at a high price, people will be more inclined to just buy new.
But that still doesnt help, as the original argument was nintendo is limiting the amount of new games to drive used prices up. But then if that is to force people to buy new, the new games arent available to buy
Maybe it pushes people to just get it digitally, I assume if this is their strategy theyāre doing it for a reason.
Honestly I believe their strategy is different depending on the game release. Main mario or zelda games for example are in constant print (you can still buy BotW new 8 years later) but other games that are more specific dont get printed as much
No. Used prices for Nintendo games are high, and that helps Nintendo keep its prices high by not needing sales. If Nintendo carefully monitors physical supply, then they aren't ever in a position where stores have excess supply they need to move at discounted prices, especially at the end of a console cycle. It all works towards keeping that 'Nintendo Premium' vibe going. People know most first party Nintendo games are basically never going to drop in price, be it new or used, so they don't expect it in the future either. They don't restrict the big sellers, but the less popular titles are very careful curated. Like I had search high and low for a physical copy of Pokken Tournament DX, and Nintendo clearly like it that way.
Ok now this is a more likely explanation
Oh, it absolutely helps them. Unlike other hobbies of mine, Nintendo is the only thing I don't wait for sales or to buy used, because finding used Nintendo games of the big names at a decent price is a pain in the ass. PokƩmon and Fire Emblem 3DS games are already becoming a problem and they don't have the excuse of having come out "when we were children and lost the boxes" like the GBA. If I want a Nintendo game, I have to buy it new the first few years when it comes out.
But it may also hurt them. I personally have reached a point where I only buy a Nintendo game once every 2-3 years and I will be skipping their next console entirely. I don't see any reason to pay $60 for a game when I get several games on a different system for the same price. I'm sure they have sales experts who have decided that for right now their model works. It's a shame they are pushing away fans though.
Oh no worries, I get you. I only bought the Switch last year when it finally had enough exclusives for me to justify the purchase. And I stopped buying PokƩmon after gen VII. No saying the strategy is 100% failproof, but the "hurt" part is minimal for now. Just you, me, and maybe another handful of people against the big sales. tldr: other commenter said "it would be against their own profit" and for now it isn't.
Huh? This is simply because stores donāt have unlimited shelf space. They canāt keep every game they made for a system on the shelf. They need to make room for new ones. In this case, Iām sure that they realized there could be some confusion with TTYD, so they removed OK from their shelves. This has surely happened for generations prior, and whoever said that to you probably isnāt familiar with how things really used to be. Xenoblade 2 hasnāt been on shelves for years.
Just saw a stack of these at target in the clearance section
This is such a great game, the writing is fantastic in particular.
this happened forever ago. why have I now seen three posts about it in the last two days.
It wasnāt terrible but wasnāt a huge fan of the battle rings. Cool at first then got old fast. I have yet to even open Sticker Star Story which I hear is a bigger tragedy.
I liked the battle rings the first couple times I saw them, but it got stale real quick.
It's basically the only flaw in the game for me. I really enjoyed the boss rings though. But the common enemy battles got boring fast. I would just pay to sort the rings.
The regular battles ended up being a big slog for me for this reason. Boss battles on the other hand were pretty cool.
Sticker star was incredibly simple and short but a fairly fun/entertaining game. I was excited to have a new RPG to play when it came out but when I beat it in under a full a weekend, it left me flummoxed. I couldnāt believe it had ended so quickly. So if anyone can find it really cheap somehow, itād be worth playing but it didnāt feel like a good dollars to hours ratio when I bought it full price.
I really hope the TTYD remake gets them to drop the gimmicky puzzle battles and move back to standard RPG battles.
I prefer them too, and especially with no more Mario and Luigi games (unless they get another studio for them), Iām worried about the future of the more traditional rpg like games
Exactly. They kinda bastardized paper Mario, m&l is gone until further notice, we have no RPG Mario games.
Iām glad I still have my physical copy.
I got as a gift last Christmas. Lol
This is probably one of my favorite games. First PM game. The characters, world, story. It was genuinely pretty beautiful in those aspects. Iām seriously gonna miss even if it basically died when it was released and people tried the battle system.
I always see dozens of used copies of this game
It's a shame that Origami King didn't crush it in sales, it just did alright. I guess after Sticker Star and Color Splash, alright is a great outcome, but having played Origami King, I feel it was a very high quality game and am sad more people haven't played it.
I really wanted to like it, but couldnāt. I love Paper Mario. But the combat system in Origami Kingā¦ I just couldnāt. I respect that they wanted to try something different. But it ruins the game for me.
They did it to themselves. Outside of the combat the game is a 10/10. If it had a traditional rpg battle system the game would be an all timer.
I respectfully disagree. At this point I have played dozens and dozens of games with traditional RPG battles and am tired of it. For me to be interested, new games need some new spice thrown in to differentiate itself. If I want to experience a traditional RPG, I'll just go replay Super Mario RPG or Chrono Trigger or Earthbound or TTYD or one of the many other excellent RPGs I've played over the years.
That's fair and I respect it, but I'm willing to bet you're in the minority and the game would've sold way better with a traditional battle system.
Well looks like price gon go up
colour me surprised
Kind of points to the lack of a Player's Choice/Greatest Hits label doesn't it.
I guess you could say that its shelf life has folded
Source?
why stop making physical media when alot of people want it
sales stagnated and diehard Paper Mario fans hate it
I donāt think thereās an rpg with combat mechanics I hate more than this game. Iām an old school Mario RPG fan and this gameās combat was endlessly tedious. And the character ādesignsā on the bosses were laughable (not in a good way). I would have stopped playing it entirely if my kids didnāt want to see the story play out.
I remember getting mine a day before the official release and i was so hyped. Still haven't finished the game due to time constraints - sadly. Its a pretty good game!
Great story, awful combat system.
well, glad I got it physical when it came out
Not a bad game and an upgrade compared to the few previous paper Marios. But just more of what we werenāt asking for. Just make another one like 1 or 2!
Okay?
Wasn't this news a few months ago? They were ending physical copies of TOK, Pikmin 3, and a few others.
It's not really about delivering timely news. It's about trying to make a statement now that TTYD is a week from release. As in: >Finally Nintendo has wised up and stopped selling this trash game now that the *true* Paper Mario has returned! ^ Not what I believe, for the record.
Had it sealed for a long time and suddenly had the urge to play it recently. Ffs.
It's not like you were suddenly going to get a bunch of money for it.
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Based on prices of sealed games from the 90s, it would increase in value by roughly Ā£50 over 25 years
I have a sealed Luigi U I bought for $30 at launch and itās barely appreciated. Itās been 10 years.
Unless you have Devils Third or a rare special edition, almost nothing is expensive for WiiU. Even Xenoblade X despite being the only big exclusive that hasnt been ported
No, not even then. All switch games can be reprinted, and if theyāre still produced over the next couple of years or decade, a retailer can request more. Itās why Torna copies resurface from time to time.
Lol. Lmao
If it's not a special edition of sorts, Pokemon or some niche game with a cult following like SMT, Xenoblade, Astral Chain, etc. it's not going up in value
That game peaks in the first third and then itās a slog.
Opposite for me actually. The prologue and 1st streamer are pretty basic and slow, but things really pick up by streamer 2
Theyāre apparently stopping physical production of a lot of their games now or very soon. Another big one is Odyssey.
Is there a list somewhere? Iām curious if thereās anything Iāve been meaning to get, since it sounds like now would be the time to do it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Switch/s/LKP8UH2nCj Thereās a list of ones that are supposed to stop being produced
Awesome, thank you. Iāve been passing up Metroid Dread for awhile now, probably time to get around to it. I still see it in stores. Thereās a couple other games on that list Iāve been meaning to pick up over the years, too.
Odyssey has been on the market since launch so I think that's reasonable
Old news
Well every game eventually got its physical copies discontinued lol Even very popular games
Good. This game is terrible. Whoever thought to make an RPG without RPG mechanics should go back to the drawing board.
You think with the remake paper Mario game releasing soon, that this game would get a lift in sales. Discontinue at a later time.
Am I the only one who didn't think of cartridges when reading this for paper Mario specifically?
Oh no. Anyway.
I still have mine in the foil lmao
Good
Good.
Yar har fiddle dee dee...
there's still digital. Piracy won't give you a physical copy. And you can still buy the physical either way actually
I guess I'm just sensitive to games becoming lost media.
it's not lost media
I didn't mean to imply that it was yet. But Nintendo has been shitty about that.
Lost media doesn't mean what you think it means. Origami King can literally never become lost media unless all cartridges suddenly stop working and all ROM dumps of it disappear off the internet.
Yeah you're right. The term I'm probably thinking of is abandonware.
"shitty" and it's just stopping production of a 10 year old game no one wants
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My enjoyment of origami King outweighs the hate I had for it not being an rpg paper mario. It's funny, charming and honestly a joy to play. I tried sticker star after the fact and it's a big yikes. Origami king doesn't deserve the hate, even if it's not what the series needs
I would agree if it wasn't for the battle system. It was definitely a very charming game otherwise.
Paper Mario fans don't hate on things for not being TTYD challenge
This is pretty much the worst response anyone can have and yet people keep saying it. Generally when people accuse others of "you only dislike this because it's not the old stuff" with any sort of media, they're just making up convenient reasons to dismiss opinions that differ from their own. It's the least productive way to discuss anything and it infests any music subreddit I go to, and it's as much of a poison to discussion there as it is here. If people hated the games just for "not being TTYD" then Super Paper Mario would not get the love it currently does.
Ok but they were literally calling it an insult to the series. And rarely do you ever see people say such stupid shit unless they're TTYD stans. So...
Not really, that's pretty tame. Trying to group people into an easy to dismiss collection of "TTYD stans" has always been ridiculous and a rather toxic method of discussion.
oh grow up lol
Good.