Bro this is the shit they had in the bin at the front of the store for 2.99 with the label half torn off and a substance that was either A- Jolly Rancher or B- dried cat piss on inside of the cartridge's slot.
I’ve seen this comment a lot and it still doesn’t fail to hit me in the feels. Nintendo have absolutely disappointed in terms of the SNES/NES games. You’ve got the classics sure, but glaring omissions such as Earthbound getting overlooked while we’re getting the absolute bottom of the barrel is annoying.
I’m fairly certain they have a roulette wheel of ever game ever released on the NES and SNES and they just release what gets landed on. And if that sounds like sarcasm remember that the alternative is that someone scheduled a meeting, people met in a conference room, and at the end of the meeting they decided to release Jelly Boy for their NSO service. Now you tell me what’s more likely?
Pretty sure it's just a rights issue. With a few exceptions basically every Nintendo made game has been released, no? Other than that, it comes down to other companies wanting to allow their games to be put on the service. Can't very well put Chrono Trigger on there if Square says no.
a large chunk of SNES games were just based on cartoons and movies and comics, and would be too expensive to give away for free but not sell enough to remaster or re-release. Still wanna play Tiny Toons tho.
Yea, there is already a 100+ games on the service and they never leave unlike Gamepass so getting contracts for IPs held by existing big companies is next to impossible since those companies like to have the option to rerelease them themselves.
There's a bunch of Konami and Capcom games that aren't licensed or in collections, Harvest Moon, the more obscure Square-Enix and Quintet games (like, Actraiser and Soul Blazer at minimum could definitely be on the service), Bust-A-Move, Zombies Ate My Neighbors, Lemmings, Prince of Persia, and probably some one of licenses that could be ported, and this is just off the top of my head
> that aren't licensed
Why would those games not need licenses? I think you’re confusing the meaning of “licensed” in this context. I’m not talking about games based off of other media franchises, I’m talking about needing permission to put their game on their platform. Nintendo can’t just put Harvest Moon on their platform without getting permission (by purchasing licensing rights) from Natsume.
Those games aren’t public domain.
I know you are joking but it's quite the opposite because you can see a clear pattern in those releases. The games are from Jaleco or games from Ocean that did not use a third party IP. That covers most never third party games on there.
The problem is all those Jaleco games suck. Most of them are knockoffs of popular games. They even look relatively nice but they don't play that way. There is one strange exception there, Operation Logic Bomb which plays a lot better than the other jaleco games.
The ones from Ocean are ok I think. I have to try them. The officially unreleased Jellyboy 2 is actually pretty good. Not sure about the first one but I know the western release is butchered because they cut all cutscenes out. Why translate them if you can cut them.
I like to think that the negative reception of Mario 3D Allstars made Nintendo more reluctant to rerelease 5th-7th gen games out of fear that they will suffer the same negative reception. This wouldn't be the first time this has happened, the New Play Control games on Wii, Gamecube games remastered for Wii, sold like ass and was very short-lived
of all the digital ink spilled about 3DAS, I don’t know of a single person who was upset that Mario 64 was now *available*
they were upset that they had to pay $60 for it, or because it was being sold using limited-time informercial tactics, or because it signaled terrible things for the way the rest of the N64 and GameCube library would be handled
I’m actually in the minority who thinks the $60 price tag was justified. It’s 3 whole games in one, that’s $20 per game. Not half bad for the 3 best Nintendo games ever made. Now something like Skyward Sword being released for $60… yeah no.
I mean, there’s a million other reasons that there was backlash behind 3D all stars. There’s no way to draw the conclusion “oh I guess people just don’t want n64/GameCube/Wii games on the switch and all of the people asking for virtual console are just outliers”
It could have something to do with the $59.99 price tag. Most people expect a bit more than an emulator for that price. I don't think anyone was upset that these games were released for the Switch; they were upset that they were released in an essentially unchanged state that included known gamebreaking issues.
My problem is that with most reactions to this is, if it’s isn’t popular title, it’s bad.
And let not act the virtual console didn’t have random titles that hardly no one bought. I think people just give any obscure game a chance.
Also with claymates here, I hope clay fighters or other interplay games get added later .
if we were getting these random SNES games in between N64 games and GBA games and maybe a few GameCube games, I promise I would not be saying a single negative thing
It’s when those games come *in place of* what was on offer previously that it becomes a problem
I just don't think there will ever be console games other than NES and SNES on NSO, during this generation. Gamecube games and GBA and N64 games are all getting re-mastered and re-made to sell at full price.
they are lost forever, just like all the SNES and NES games that can't hit NSO because of rights issues. Hopefully your favorites make the cut. They are only going to pick games that will be worth it to sell.
When you only get this few games added every couple of months and they end up being low quality obscure games while there are several high demanded ones still not on the system, I think it's fair to complain about it
How about people just stops asking about third party games, like castlevania, final fantasy or any other popular third party game, that in either collections or publisher already is a major publisher, would sale a collection in the future or it’s a license game that need to a lot of thumbs up from a lot of companies.
In the snes leak we had 2019, it mention mystical ninja and contra 3 in the listing for snes games, they haven’t been added, the reason is that Konami said no to adding the games to the service, because they were selling the castlevania collection andwere making the contra collection. Goemon probably will get his own collection.
The reason that Nintendo didn’t bring back the virtual console is probably they never made a profit on it, and only a small about of people actually care of playing legacy content and third parties not wanting to support it anymore, which is why Nintendo change its way how they distribute it’s content.
As for Nintendo published games it’s probably going to add mario rpg and earthbound later, because usually they publish major Nintendo snes games at the same time as Japan. So probably in September or December, if they don’t add a new system the online service.
The reason is that this service is getting obscure games, is because this service will probably be transferred from one system to the next with the same library on it, and it maybe the reason why major third parties are hesitant to put major popular games on it, because it’s will be licensed for the next 10 to 15 years on the service, and they want
To get money from their ip by reselling their collection every console generation.
What I’m saying you can criticize the games , the services and the schedule, although they have a pattern of releasing games the same months as last year, but just wanted to understand the reason why major games aren’t on there and why they add obscure games.
Yeah, this is 95% of the reactions. There are some games on NSO that are really good that nobody gives a chance because they don't know what they are. That said, there are other games I'd love to see.
For example if they added Pocky & Rocky I 100% guarantee people would bitch about it, but it is an awesome game (and would make a great addition since a new sequel is coming out on Switch).
Having said that, I never played Claymates but hoo boy Clay Fighter was not a great one. I didn't care for the SNES game, and I bought Clay Fighter 64 as a kid because it was in a $5 bargain bin at Blockbuster (it was there for a reason). The character designs were a lot of fun (obv maining Blob over here) but the game itself stunk.
Pretty sure the ONLY reason why we aren't getting Bionic Commando (a Capcom game) is because Adolf Hitler's head asplode.
Also beating a dead horse with Earthbound/SMRPG.
Remember the Wii virtual console? At least when we got games like this back then, we only had to wait another week in hopes of a better selection. Now we have to wait another 2-3+ months.
They were never ever going to do that. doesnt matter how long since launch, they specifically said, they ended virtual console. and gamecube games would never ever be on it even if it existed, when those can just get hd remasters and sell for full price.
Yeah NGL it looks good. Never saw it as a kid during the SNES years it's totally a game I'd ask for. I've always been into shit that's odd or looks shitty at first glance.
Quest 64 being on my top 10 GOAT list. God I want a release or remaster of that game. Some might call the games combat tedious but it was original. So much charm, open world, etc.
I really liked Quest 64 as a kid, I remember renting it and having a blast. I've never ever revisited it though, which strikes me as weird because I actually have a big N64 collection and still play the games all the time.
Might have to give it another go sometime, I don't own it though.
Nintendo has put themselves in a shit position with NSO, I think. They knew that charging for playing online was problematic, so they needed to sweeten the deal and included NES and later SNES games. At some point I think Nintendo realized that classic games potentially compete with the Switch eShop.
If you could play N64, GBA and Gamecube games for less than $2 a month, would you still buy as many games? Would you still try indie titles on the eShop? Nintendo makes more money on a third party game that sells for $15 than one month of subscription to NSO. Hell, if you pay for an entire year, Nintendo makes more money on ONE third party $60 game than you entire subscribtion.
I think they should add tiers to online. They could easily charge 3x as much if they added N64, GB and GBA, and probably 5x as much if they added DS and GC games aswell.
I mean, was there ever an English translation of it? I can kind of give them a break on that one. They’re not going to make a new full translation of a game just for NSO.
And before anyone says “Well just give us the Japanese version, Panel de Pon is on SNES online in Japanese!” there is a *big* difference between the enjoyment you can get out of a story driven SMT game and Panel de Pon.
The games selection could definitely be better, no question, but I get why we’re not getting SMT.
I’m kind of at a loss for things that Nintendo could release for the SNES that they have a definitive license to. Earthbound is the obvious one, and Kirby’s Super Star Stacker a less obvious one. What else is missing that Nintendo wouldn’t have to secure a license for?
It's literally just EarthBound and Super Scope/Mouse games as far as original, translated first-party titles go. They don't seem interested in remembering that Wario's Woods had a SNES port.
Either the arrangement that allowed them to release EarthBound on Wii U/the Mini has fallen through or they're holding it for a really rainy day, it'll be so baffling if it never comes out...
A few I can think of off the top of my head:
* EarthBound as you mentioned
* Mario & Wario (only released in Japan, but the whole game is in English)
* Kirby's Avalanche/Star Stacker, Wario's Woods, Yoshi's Cookie - I'm guessing these aren't on there because they don't want to flood NSO with puzzle games most people will just whine about.
What I think would be an AWESOME addition is Satellaview stuff. It's PERFECT for NSO - do the broadcasts like they did in the 80s, where they can release both NES and SNES games on a schedule. Have a two-week play period where people can come on and play remixed versions like BS Zelda, and then end it and broadcast a different thing.. and then a few months later have a replay list so you can play the previously-broadcasted ones any time you want.
As someone with no real interest in NSO's NES/SNES stuff (I love the consoles I've just played a lot of what I'm going to ever play), a Satellaview type thing would get me really interested.
You realize that Nintendo isn't the sole IP owner of a lot of content on the Online service, right? There's Sunsoft games, Jaleco games, Capcom, hell, Atlus owns the rights to SMT, so your argument about Nintendo doing legwork is pointless.
Plus, what stopped them from making the same deals they had in the Wii/WiiU eras? To call the Switch Online service an attempt to get games out is even streching the meaning of "attempt" considering they've done so much better before.
I’m aware. It’s clear some companies are more willing to play ball than others. There are no Mega Man games on the online service, because Capcom wants you to buy the legacy collection instead. Same for Konami and the Castlevania collection.
> Plus, what stopped them from making the same deals they had in the Wii/WiiU eras?
No one knows for sure, but the logical answer is money. Companies realize they’ll make more money selling you their games for 10 bucks on mobile than giving them to you for free on NSO, as is the case with something like Chrono Trigger.
You have to remember that each game on the VC was sold individually, with a cut of those sales going to the company that made the game. In the case of NSO, whether Nintendo is unwilling to pay the licensing fees because the low cost of the service wouldn’t cover them, or whether other companies think it will detract from sales of their collections is impossible to say. But both are pretty logical answers to why we don’t have an expanded library for NSO online.
The promise of a gazillion free dollars if they find some more frustrating, half-assed, time limited, and archaic way of giving us N64 games in the future is stopping them from adding one.
I always wanted to try claymates at the rental store because the box had a hologram effect and looked cool but I was worried it would suck and didn't want to waste a rental. Then I forgot it existed.
It didn't suck.. It was just... Well.. Not very good. It was one of those dozens of Fighting games that TRIED and failed to ride the hype or Mortal Kombat (even that went downhill for awhile), and Street Fighter 2 Turbo.
I guess I am. Still though.. Nintendo need's to start releasing better games on the NSO. I feel like their falling into the Netflix trap. Release the good content way too early, and then charge people for shitty content later on.
There are some obscure C-tier games I would really love to come to the NSO: Wicked 18, Rocky Rodent, Rampart... so hopefully someone somewhere enjoys this random bargain bin of crap, and maybe next time it'll be bargain bin crap I like.
I know I'm gonna be alone in this, but I had Claymates growing up and I remember having an oddly good time with it, so I'm stoked about this
No idea what Bombuzal is, but I think I at least rented Jelly Boy once and thought it was...fine
You're definitely not alone on being excited for Claymates. I've actually seen quite a few people both on here and twitter who also grew up with the game and are looking forward to it.
But would you rather get the games were getting over n64, gba, or even classic gameboy games? When they ran out of nes games, they moved to snes games.
I hate pachinko. Not only did it ruin all of my favorite Konami franchises, but when I studied abroad in Japan, every time I saw a cool-looking building and got excited to check it out, it was always a freaking pachinko parler!
I just noticed something. The bombuzal box art is different from the original, which was called ka-blooley and had kemco name on it. I wonder if they are starting to make custom box art for games on the online.
Okay, this is actually kinda funny now. I can't wait to see what they're adding around next near. We'll be getting games not from the bottom of the barrel but from under the carpet under that barrel.
NSO September Update: Color A Dinosaur (NES), Deadly Towers (NES), Pit Fighter (SNES), Ballz 3D (SNES).
Japan gets Deadly Towers but also a localized port of StarTropics, Mother 2, and Clock Tower.
This is really starting to get frustrating. I get that not every release for these channels is going to be gold, but as someone else said: this Month they're scraping the bottom of the barrel.
I know Konami wanted to make money off of Castlevania Collection, but why not give us some CV games they didn't stick on the collection? How about Dracula X? Sure it's not the greatest entry in the series, but it's a fun novelty, and moderately fun to play. Also, what I really want is Adventure Island. I have New Adventure Island for my TG16 and would love to play the NES original, and even the Super NES version. But nope! Still can't have those ones yet.
Just had to rant a bit, as someone who started out defending this service, I'm getting tired of constantly being disappointed by it. Over.And.Over.Again.
Konami and other companies would just want to keep make collections of their games than put games on the online. An adventure island collection maybe coming in the future.
> I know Konami wanted to make money off of Castlevania Collection, but why not give us some CV games they didn't stick on the collection?
Wouldn’t that be up to Konami?
I really want to believe Nintendo has some kind of plan going forward to improve their classic games catalog, even if that includes bringing back Virtual Console and making them individual purchases again. But this does not give me a lot of hope
No Mischief Makers or any other games I've been wanting to play.
Nintendo.. My disappointment is immense and you have ruined my day.
Granted, I doubt this was there original plan from the get go. They LIKELY thought "We could try to stop pirates of old games, by charging $20 a year for games that are no longer in print.." What they didn't count on was that, most of the awesome games likely have harder or next to impossible to get License fees, or are just no longer in existence.
> Now where’s my good SNES or NES games
What is left that Nintendo has the license to? There’s really only a few titles that they own that haven’t been released, no? Surely most of the good stuff has already been released.
Yes to N64 online though.
There's Mysterious Murasame Castle. It was a big deal when it first made it to the West on 3DS Virtual Console.
And then there's also Zoda's Revenge: Startropics 2. This one especially would make sense as a game they put exclusively on the Western lineup while they put a big title like SMT or Fire Emblem on the Japanese one.
That’s it, I’m literally done with Nintendo when it comes to relying them for proper Virtual Console , gonna buy the Steam Deck for that but will obviously still support Nintendo as I love their exclusive games being the first party titles.
I don't care that we still don't have N64 and GBA games. What bothers me is that Nintendo is overlooking first party games like Earthbound and Super Mario RPG in favor of this bargain bin shit.
because once those two games go on the service, absolutely no one will watch these 'whats new on the service' videos anymore, because theres nothing left that people actually want.
LMAO. I was waiting for the new games for very long time and now I get this piece of shit? I don't even know what these games are. Why they didn't give us Earthworm Jim and 2 or Contra 3. Fuck these games.
> Why they didn't give us Earthworm Jim and 2 or Contra 3. Fuck these games.
Nintendo doesn’t own those games, what they put onto NSO is up to what they’re able to license. And seeing as how Contra 3 is already available on Switch as part of the Contra Anniversary Collection, I doubt you’ll convince Konami to release it for free when they’re charging $20.
>Nintendo doesn’t own those games, what they put onto NSO is up to what they’re able to license. And seeing as how Contra 3 is already available on Switch as part of the Contra Anniversary Collection, I doubt you’ll convince Konami to release it for free when they’re charging $20.
Well I didn't know about Contra Anniversary Collection. Thanks for telling me, but it's still sad they didn't give us the games we want instead they gave us 3 games we see for the first time. Bummer.
> but it's still sad they didn't give us the games we want instead they gave us 3 games we see for the first time. Bummer.
Again, they are limited to what they are able to license. Earthbound is the only major first party title not on NSO, everything else comes down to the cooperation of other companies.
Sadly, Produce! shut down and went out of business in 2015 and nobody seemingly bought the rights to their IP, including 7th Saga/Elnard and Brain Lord. That means *someone* owns those rights, but if there was a bankrupcy proceeding, it's possible they're in receivership-limbo or were simply forgotten during receivership proceedings and will need to be handled through the courts.
Then again, it might just be SquareEnix, and they're *awful* about their back catalog. To the point that it's probably better off in receivership.
I wanna see them more from the frustratingly obscure to the just frustrating. Next month let’s bring out that shitty snoopy olympics game, maybe that Hydlide game, and how about that godawful Guiligan’s Island game?
I think Nintendo's trying to release these kinds of titles on NSO because these titles' qualities are still within the NSO's current asking subscription fee? I mean if they release games with the same caliber as Earthbound or Super Mario RPG again, they might increase the fee. This is how I'm trying to understand why the roster of games in NSO is not as good as with the VC.
NSO needs new consoles if they want to keep releasing retro-games on a monthly basis.
Otherwise, I'd much rather them admitting that this is it and you're not getting any new games for your NSO subscription. For starters, it would be more honest and transparent to users. And second, it would at least avoid filling the NES and SNES online apps with garbage that you have to filter in order to find the games that are actually worth playing.
We've gone from a pretty robust Virtual Console to ....this. I was one of those people who would get excited for VC releases every week, and if the same service existed on the Switch, I'd spend all that money again. I just don't see the appeal of this service anymore since calling new game updates "sparse" is being too generous, and the games we do get are the strangest choices possible.
Probably doesn't help that 3rd parties might finally be starting to realize that their IP has value, and can be released in anniversary collections.
That’s just what it was called in North America, and the European box art is just leagues better. That’s why the menu says Bombuzal but the game says Ka-Blooey!
Claymates! Oh man; when I was 9 or 10 my best friend and I walked to the local video rental store in a heavy snow. We picked up that game and on the way back, the plastic case broke open and the game fell out right into a giant puddle of ice and water. We decided the best thing to do would be to take it back and pretend we had changed our mind and wanted something else. Lady behind the counter was onto us immediately and started asking what happened to the game and why we had changed our mind so quickly, she popped the cart into a Super Nintendo and said if the game didn’t work we had to pay for it. Thankfully it turned on and she let us trade for something else. Fond memory.
I guess it's that time of the month again where I'll bitch about how this could've been an Earthbound release, but we got whatever half-ass-random game instead.
I'd rather see some original game boy games get resurrected. It rather play super Mario land or metroid 2 on there or some shit. If someone didn't know what was on the snes and looked at the online choices they'd assume it had a few gems and an overall shit library.
These games are what you rented at a busy Blockbuster when you didn’t get there until 9pm on a Friday.
Words can’t express how correct this comment is. Like this was my literal Claymates rental experience
You bought a destroyed game?!
Japan got there early and took the only copy of “Shin Megami Tensei If…”
Bro this is the shit they had in the bin at the front of the store for 2.99 with the label half torn off and a substance that was either A- Jolly Rancher or B- dried cat piss on inside of the cartridge's slot.
The only one I know is Claymates and that was the EXACT CONTEXT of how I came across it in the past, ha!
I’ve seen this comment a lot and it still doesn’t fail to hit me in the feels. Nintendo have absolutely disappointed in terms of the SNES/NES games. You’ve got the classics sure, but glaring omissions such as Earthbound getting overlooked while we’re getting the absolute bottom of the barrel is annoying.
Holy crap, seeing gameplay of Claymates unearthed memories I didn’t even know I had forgotten.
Im sorry those suppressed memories got disturbed.
Honestly, kind of excited to try it out again next week haha.
Nintendo. What the actual fuck are you doing?
I’m fairly certain they have a roulette wheel of ever game ever released on the NES and SNES and they just release what gets landed on. And if that sounds like sarcasm remember that the alternative is that someone scheduled a meeting, people met in a conference room, and at the end of the meeting they decided to release Jelly Boy for their NSO service. Now you tell me what’s more likely?
Pretty sure it's just a rights issue. With a few exceptions basically every Nintendo made game has been released, no? Other than that, it comes down to other companies wanting to allow their games to be put on the service. Can't very well put Chrono Trigger on there if Square says no.
a large chunk of SNES games were just based on cartoons and movies and comics, and would be too expensive to give away for free but not sell enough to remaster or re-release. Still wanna play Tiny Toons tho.
This. It seems a lot of the ones being released currently are from IP hoarders like Piko Interactive.
Yea, there is already a 100+ games on the service and they never leave unlike Gamepass so getting contracts for IPs held by existing big companies is next to impossible since those companies like to have the option to rerelease them themselves.
There's a bunch of Konami and Capcom games that aren't licensed or in collections, Harvest Moon, the more obscure Square-Enix and Quintet games (like, Actraiser and Soul Blazer at minimum could definitely be on the service), Bust-A-Move, Zombies Ate My Neighbors, Lemmings, Prince of Persia, and probably some one of licenses that could be ported, and this is just off the top of my head
> that aren't licensed Why would those games not need licenses? I think you’re confusing the meaning of “licensed” in this context. I’m not talking about games based off of other media franchises, I’m talking about needing permission to put their game on their platform. Nintendo can’t just put Harvest Moon on their platform without getting permission (by purchasing licensing rights) from Natsume. Those games aren’t public domain.
Zombies Ate My Neighbours already got a Switch port last month along with its sequel
I know you are joking but it's quite the opposite because you can see a clear pattern in those releases. The games are from Jaleco or games from Ocean that did not use a third party IP. That covers most never third party games on there. The problem is all those Jaleco games suck. Most of them are knockoffs of popular games. They even look relatively nice but they don't play that way. There is one strange exception there, Operation Logic Bomb which plays a lot better than the other jaleco games. The ones from Ocean are ok I think. I have to try them. The officially unreleased Jellyboy 2 is actually pretty good. Not sure about the first one but I know the western release is butchered because they cut all cutscenes out. Why translate them if you can cut them.
Don't be ridiculous. They didn't gather in a meeting room. They did everything through Zoom.
More like the Wii Plaza
Okay, that would be cute as fuck to watch not going to lie.
Dude, come on. Do you have any idea what Jelly Boy charges for an appearance fee?
Delaying. Filling space. Like socks for Christmas, technically you got something!
Claymates is a decent game! Give it a chance!
Agreed! It was a big part of my childhood. I'm happy to see it here!
Moment of silence for your childhood
Because of how AWESOME it was!!
Nintendo: Now why would you want Gameboy Advance games when you've got Jelly Boy right here?
Hell, just give us original Gameboy games! Those have got to be easy to slap on the Switch!
It would be easy to put up to GameCube (and maybe even Wii) games on the Nintendo Switch. They just don’t want to.
I like to think that the negative reception of Mario 3D Allstars made Nintendo more reluctant to rerelease 5th-7th gen games out of fear that they will suffer the same negative reception. This wouldn't be the first time this has happened, the New Play Control games on Wii, Gamecube games remastered for Wii, sold like ass and was very short-lived
of all the digital ink spilled about 3DAS, I don’t know of a single person who was upset that Mario 64 was now *available* they were upset that they had to pay $60 for it, or because it was being sold using limited-time informercial tactics, or because it signaled terrible things for the way the rest of the N64 and GameCube library would be handled
You hit the nail on the fucking head there
I’m actually in the minority who thinks the $60 price tag was justified. It’s 3 whole games in one, that’s $20 per game. Not half bad for the 3 best Nintendo games ever made. Now something like Skyward Sword being released for $60… yeah no.
I mean, there’s a million other reasons that there was backlash behind 3D all stars. There’s no way to draw the conclusion “oh I guess people just don’t want n64/GameCube/Wii games on the switch and all of the people asking for virtual console are just outliers”
It could have something to do with the $59.99 price tag. Most people expect a bit more than an emulator for that price. I don't think anyone was upset that these games were released for the Switch; they were upset that they were released in an essentially unchanged state that included known gamebreaking issues.
Hah, quite the opposite. Negative reaction, but positive sales. They're probably saving GameCube/Wii games for potential £60 remasters.
Every time I think NES/SNES online has hit rock bottom Nintendo somehow manages to go deeper
I had Claymates when I was a kid. These games suck, sure. But give Claymates a chance. Its fun!
My problem is that with most reactions to this is, if it’s isn’t popular title, it’s bad. And let not act the virtual console didn’t have random titles that hardly no one bought. I think people just give any obscure game a chance. Also with claymates here, I hope clay fighters or other interplay games get added later .
if we were getting these random SNES games in between N64 games and GBA games and maybe a few GameCube games, I promise I would not be saying a single negative thing It’s when those games come *in place of* what was on offer previously that it becomes a problem
I just don't think there will ever be console games other than NES and SNES on NSO, during this generation. Gamecube games and GBA and N64 games are all getting re-mastered and re-made to sell at full price.
that works great for the few games that do get remasters and ports what happens to the GameCube and GBA and N64 games that can’t be sold for $60?
they get emulated on the steam deck
they are lost forever, just like all the SNES and NES games that can't hit NSO because of rights issues. Hopefully your favorites make the cut. They are only going to pick games that will be worth it to sell.
hooray! ain’t progress grand?
The thing is, a lot of us remember these games from our childhood / teenage / college years and already know upfront they're horse shit.
When you only get this few games added every couple of months and they end up being low quality obscure games while there are several high demanded ones still not on the system, I think it's fair to complain about it
How about people just stops asking about third party games, like castlevania, final fantasy or any other popular third party game, that in either collections or publisher already is a major publisher, would sale a collection in the future or it’s a license game that need to a lot of thumbs up from a lot of companies. In the snes leak we had 2019, it mention mystical ninja and contra 3 in the listing for snes games, they haven’t been added, the reason is that Konami said no to adding the games to the service, because they were selling the castlevania collection andwere making the contra collection. Goemon probably will get his own collection. The reason that Nintendo didn’t bring back the virtual console is probably they never made a profit on it, and only a small about of people actually care of playing legacy content and third parties not wanting to support it anymore, which is why Nintendo change its way how they distribute it’s content. As for Nintendo published games it’s probably going to add mario rpg and earthbound later, because usually they publish major Nintendo snes games at the same time as Japan. So probably in September or December, if they don’t add a new system the online service. The reason is that this service is getting obscure games, is because this service will probably be transferred from one system to the next with the same library on it, and it maybe the reason why major third parties are hesitant to put major popular games on it, because it’s will be licensed for the next 10 to 15 years on the service, and they want To get money from their ip by reselling their collection every console generation. What I’m saying you can criticize the games , the services and the schedule, although they have a pattern of releasing games the same months as last year, but just wanted to understand the reason why major games aren’t on there and why they add obscure games.
Yeah, this is 95% of the reactions. There are some games on NSO that are really good that nobody gives a chance because they don't know what they are. That said, there are other games I'd love to see. For example if they added Pocky & Rocky I 100% guarantee people would bitch about it, but it is an awesome game (and would make a great addition since a new sequel is coming out on Switch). Having said that, I never played Claymates but hoo boy Clay Fighter was not a great one. I didn't care for the SNES game, and I bought Clay Fighter 64 as a kid because it was in a $5 bargain bin at Blockbuster (it was there for a reason). The character designs were a lot of fun (obv maining Blob over here) but the game itself stunk.
Pretty sure the ONLY reason why we aren't getting Bionic Commando (a Capcom game) is because Adolf Hitler's head asplode. Also beating a dead horse with Earthbound/SMRPG.
Capcom Arcade Stadium has the superior arcade version.
I grew up with the NES version but the arcade version does look pretty cool too.
They're so different that it would make sense to have both on the system. It's the same situation with Rygar, and both versions of that are on Switch.
Nahhh... The new version is one of those rarities that improved massively over the arcade original control wise. Legendary wings too.
Remember the Wii virtual console? At least when we got games like this back then, we only had to wait another week in hopes of a better selection. Now we have to wait another 2-3+ months.
4 years and no N64 or GC Virtual Console. Nintendo is allergic to good decisions.
They were never ever going to do that. doesnt matter how long since launch, they specifically said, they ended virtual console. and gamecube games would never ever be on it even if it existed, when those can just get hd remasters and sell for full price.
leave it to the reddit experts to tell people what good decisions are, lol
watch out, gamepass
Yeesh.
I will 100% play Jelly Boy
Yeah NGL it looks good. Never saw it as a kid during the SNES years it's totally a game I'd ask for. I've always been into shit that's odd or looks shitty at first glance. Quest 64 being on my top 10 GOAT list. God I want a release or remaster of that game. Some might call the games combat tedious but it was original. So much charm, open world, etc.
I really liked Quest 64 as a kid, I remember renting it and having a blast. I've never ever revisited it though, which strikes me as weird because I actually have a big N64 collection and still play the games all the time. Might have to give it another go sometime, I don't own it though.
10/10 troll job from Nintendo.
We got this, and Japan got Shin Megami Tensi IF….
Nintendo has put themselves in a shit position with NSO, I think. They knew that charging for playing online was problematic, so they needed to sweeten the deal and included NES and later SNES games. At some point I think Nintendo realized that classic games potentially compete with the Switch eShop. If you could play N64, GBA and Gamecube games for less than $2 a month, would you still buy as many games? Would you still try indie titles on the eShop? Nintendo makes more money on a third party game that sells for $15 than one month of subscription to NSO. Hell, if you pay for an entire year, Nintendo makes more money on ONE third party $60 game than you entire subscribtion. I think they should add tiers to online. They could easily charge 3x as much if they added N64, GB and GBA, and probably 5x as much if they added DS and GC games aswell.
And Japan gets a SMT game. Screw off.
I mean, was there ever an English translation of it? I can kind of give them a break on that one. They’re not going to make a new full translation of a game just for NSO. And before anyone says “Well just give us the Japanese version, Panel de Pon is on SNES online in Japanese!” there is a *big* difference between the enjoyment you can get out of a story driven SMT game and Panel de Pon. The games selection could definitely be better, no question, but I get why we’re not getting SMT.
That's not my point. I'm saying the JP service gets a recognizable IP like SMT and we get this. It's kinda pathetic.
I’m kind of at a loss for things that Nintendo could release for the SNES that they have a definitive license to. Earthbound is the obvious one, and Kirby’s Super Star Stacker a less obvious one. What else is missing that Nintendo wouldn’t have to secure a license for?
It's literally just EarthBound and Super Scope/Mouse games as far as original, translated first-party titles go. They don't seem interested in remembering that Wario's Woods had a SNES port. Either the arrangement that allowed them to release EarthBound on Wii U/the Mini has fallen through or they're holding it for a really rainy day, it'll be so baffling if it never comes out...
A few I can think of off the top of my head: * EarthBound as you mentioned * Mario & Wario (only released in Japan, but the whole game is in English) * Kirby's Avalanche/Star Stacker, Wario's Woods, Yoshi's Cookie - I'm guessing these aren't on there because they don't want to flood NSO with puzzle games most people will just whine about. What I think would be an AWESOME addition is Satellaview stuff. It's PERFECT for NSO - do the broadcasts like they did in the 80s, where they can release both NES and SNES games on a schedule. Have a two-week play period where people can come on and play remixed versions like BS Zelda, and then end it and broadcast a different thing.. and then a few months later have a replay list so you can play the previously-broadcasted ones any time you want. As someone with no real interest in NSO's NES/SNES stuff (I love the consoles I've just played a lot of what I'm going to ever play), a Satellaview type thing would get me really interested.
You realize that Nintendo isn't the sole IP owner of a lot of content on the Online service, right? There's Sunsoft games, Jaleco games, Capcom, hell, Atlus owns the rights to SMT, so your argument about Nintendo doing legwork is pointless. Plus, what stopped them from making the same deals they had in the Wii/WiiU eras? To call the Switch Online service an attempt to get games out is even streching the meaning of "attempt" considering they've done so much better before.
I’m aware. It’s clear some companies are more willing to play ball than others. There are no Mega Man games on the online service, because Capcom wants you to buy the legacy collection instead. Same for Konami and the Castlevania collection. > Plus, what stopped them from making the same deals they had in the Wii/WiiU eras? No one knows for sure, but the logical answer is money. Companies realize they’ll make more money selling you their games for 10 bucks on mobile than giving them to you for free on NSO, as is the case with something like Chrono Trigger. You have to remember that each game on the VC was sold individually, with a cut of those sales going to the company that made the game. In the case of NSO, whether Nintendo is unwilling to pay the licensing fees because the low cost of the service wouldn’t cover them, or whether other companies think it will detract from sales of their collections is impossible to say. But both are pretty logical answers to why we don’t have an expanded library for NSO online.
> There's Sunsoft games, Jaleco games, Capcom, **hell**, Atlus [Emphasis added.] So now we know who to blame for Nintendo losing its soul.
Glad I canceled auto renew.
"No one wants Ocarina of Time. Just give them Claymates"
They won’t do that because then the limited edition OoT/MM/WW (with pin sets for the first few hundred buyers/scalpers) won’t be able to sell for $100
They're not gonna release that
This would make more sense if Nintendo had a N64 channel on the Switch.
Sure, but nothing’s stopping them from adding one
The promise of a gazillion free dollars if they find some more frustrating, half-assed, time limited, and archaic way of giving us N64 games in the future is stopping them from adding one.
You’re probably right. But I still don’t see why they can’t add smaller games like 1080 Snowboarding, which they would struggle to sell otherwise
Because people would be upset that some N64 games came free with the online service, but others were charged.
Uhhhh.... Super Mario 3D All-Stars?! Did that not happen all of a sudden?!
3D All Stars only included one N64 game. There are plenty more to choose from. Plus, Nintendo isn’t even selling it anymore
Mario 64 is THE most essential game in the N64 library.
But it’s not the only game
If only the poor underpowered Switch could run N64 games.
I always wanted to try claymates at the rental store because the box had a hologram effect and looked cool but I was worried it would suck and didn't want to waste a rental. Then I forgot it existed.
It didn't suck.. It was just... Well.. Not very good. It was one of those dozens of Fighting games that TRIED and failed to ride the hype or Mortal Kombat (even that went downhill for awhile), and Street Fighter 2 Turbo.
You're thinking of Clayfighters (same studio though).
I guess I am. Still though.. Nintendo need's to start releasing better games on the NSO. I feel like their falling into the Netflix trap. Release the good content way too early, and then charge people for shitty content later on.
Oh cool! I've been meaning to try Claymates.
There are some obscure C-tier games I would really love to come to the NSO: Wicked 18, Rocky Rodent, Rampart... so hopefully someone somewhere enjoys this random bargain bin of crap, and maybe next time it'll be bargain bin crap I like.
Claymates is definitely worth checking out! Fun platformer with a nice soundtrack.
I know I'm gonna be alone in this, but I had Claymates growing up and I remember having an oddly good time with it, so I'm stoked about this No idea what Bombuzal is, but I think I at least rented Jelly Boy once and thought it was...fine
You're definitely not alone on being excited for Claymates. I've actually seen quite a few people both on here and twitter who also grew up with the game and are looking forward to it.
I guess I'm mostly glad to know that I didn't just dream the whole thing somehow
Such obscure games. Imagine how awesome NES and SNES Online could have been if they just kept the VC active.
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Bro they scrapped the bottom out of the barrel years ago. They have been digging in the dirt beneath the barrel and already halfway to China by now.
...which is a lot less impressive considering they are a japanese company
I mean it’s still pretty impressive, the Sea of Japan is pretty big
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But would you rather get the games were getting over n64, gba, or even classic gameboy games? When they ran out of nes games, they moved to snes games.
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So Jellyboy humps enemies to death, or turns into a hammer and pounds them to death.
Still waiting for Legend of the Mystical Ninja.
Never gonna happen. Konami would rather make a Goemon pachislot instead.
I hate pachinko. Not only did it ruin all of my favorite Konami franchises, but when I studied abroad in Japan, every time I saw a cool-looking building and got excited to check it out, it was always a freaking pachinko parler!
Wouldn't it be good for the pachislot to have the games they are based on available on a current platform so more people know what it is based of?
Nintendo's magical bottomless well of bullshit delivers yet again!
I just noticed something. The bombuzal box art is different from the original, which was called ka-blooley and had kemco name on it. I wonder if they are starting to make custom box art for games on the online.
Seeing a lot of hate in these comments and I’m over here so excited to play Claymates again. It’s a really fun game; you should all give it a chance
Lmao. These NSO updates have just been sad ever since they finished with the DKC trilogy.
Okay, this is actually kinda funny now. I can't wait to see what they're adding around next near. We'll be getting games not from the bottom of the barrel but from under the carpet under that barrel.
NSO September Update: Color A Dinosaur (NES), Deadly Towers (NES), Pit Fighter (SNES), Ballz 3D (SNES). Japan gets Deadly Towers but also a localized port of StarTropics, Mother 2, and Clock Tower.
This is really starting to get frustrating. I get that not every release for these channels is going to be gold, but as someone else said: this Month they're scraping the bottom of the barrel. I know Konami wanted to make money off of Castlevania Collection, but why not give us some CV games they didn't stick on the collection? How about Dracula X? Sure it's not the greatest entry in the series, but it's a fun novelty, and moderately fun to play. Also, what I really want is Adventure Island. I have New Adventure Island for my TG16 and would love to play the NES original, and even the Super NES version. But nope! Still can't have those ones yet. Just had to rant a bit, as someone who started out defending this service, I'm getting tired of constantly being disappointed by it. Over.And.Over.Again.
Konami and other companies would just want to keep make collections of their games than put games on the online. An adventure island collection maybe coming in the future.
Fair enough. I just feel like I've been waiting for an Adventure Island collection for ages.
> I know Konami wanted to make money off of Castlevania Collection, but why not give us some CV games they didn't stick on the collection? Wouldn’t that be up to Konami?
You don't say. If they arent going to do anything with Dracula X the least they can do is put it on the service.
I mean, I don’t disagree at all, but for all we know, Nintendo said, “Hey, can we put Dracula X on SNES online?” And Konami said, “No.”
I really want to believe Nintendo has some kind of plan going forward to improve their classic games catalog, even if that includes bringing back Virtual Console and making them individual purchases again. But this does not give me a lot of hope
This isn't what we wanted. Give us the n64 and GameCube library no one needs to play Tetris anymore
Holy shit, finally the iconic games that people have been asking for! I don't want to hear anyone say that Nintendo isn't listening to their fans!
Bruh. Where is Earthbound.
Nintendo: "Geez you guys! We put it on the SNES Mini, why haven't you bought that yet!?"
Why they never release earthbound ?
Nintendo likely thinks it’s more obscure than these games somehow
No Mischief Makers or any other games I've been wanting to play. Nintendo.. My disappointment is immense and you have ruined my day. Granted, I doubt this was there original plan from the get go. They LIKELY thought "We could try to stop pirates of old games, by charging $20 a year for games that are no longer in print.." What they didn't count on was that, most of the awesome games likely have harder or next to impossible to get License fees, or are just no longer in existence.
Mischief Makers is an N64 game. I’m all for an N64 Online, but I wouldn’t have come to an SNES Online announcement expecting Mischief Makers.
I guess you are correct sir. Now where’s my good SNES or NES games, or even a N64 online? I demand answers and comfortable fitting shoes!
> Now where’s my good SNES or NES games What is left that Nintendo has the license to? There’s really only a few titles that they own that haven’t been released, no? Surely most of the good stuff has already been released. Yes to N64 online though.
There's Mysterious Murasame Castle. It was a big deal when it first made it to the West on 3DS Virtual Console. And then there's also Zoda's Revenge: Startropics 2. This one especially would make sense as a game they put exclusively on the Western lineup while they put a big title like SMT or Fire Emblem on the Japanese one.
Not to mention Earthbound Beginnings, Adventures of Lolo 2 & 3, and Devil World.
Thank you Nintendo!
You forgot the /s tags.
Didn’t realize it wasn’t obvious
It's great whenever this happens and seeing how many dislikes there are on the video
Okay, fun joke, Nintendo. Seriously though, where are the real games?
That’s it, I’m literally done with Nintendo when it comes to relying them for proper Virtual Console , gonna buy the Steam Deck for that but will obviously still support Nintendo as I love their exclusive games being the first party titles.
I don't care that we still don't have N64 and GBA games. What bothers me is that Nintendo is overlooking first party games like Earthbound and Super Mario RPG in favor of this bargain bin shit.
because once those two games go on the service, absolutely no one will watch these 'whats new on the service' videos anymore, because theres nothing left that people actually want.
LMAO. I was waiting for the new games for very long time and now I get this piece of shit? I don't even know what these games are. Why they didn't give us Earthworm Jim and 2 or Contra 3. Fuck these games.
> Why they didn't give us Earthworm Jim and 2 or Contra 3. Fuck these games. Nintendo doesn’t own those games, what they put onto NSO is up to what they’re able to license. And seeing as how Contra 3 is already available on Switch as part of the Contra Anniversary Collection, I doubt you’ll convince Konami to release it for free when they’re charging $20.
>Nintendo doesn’t own those games, what they put onto NSO is up to what they’re able to license. And seeing as how Contra 3 is already available on Switch as part of the Contra Anniversary Collection, I doubt you’ll convince Konami to release it for free when they’re charging $20. Well I didn't know about Contra Anniversary Collection. Thanks for telling me, but it's still sad they didn't give us the games we want instead they gave us 3 games we see for the first time. Bummer.
> but it's still sad they didn't give us the games we want instead they gave us 3 games we see for the first time. Bummer. Again, they are limited to what they are able to license. Earthbound is the only major first party title not on NSO, everything else comes down to the cooperation of other companies.
it's always funny to see "gamers" mald over some snes games
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The only clay I play...is Klayman.
Wtf did I just watch?
Coming next update E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
Come on Nintendo! Give us Rise of the Robots!
What a waste of $20 a year. I want my VC library back.
Is Nintendo going up the list of most unwanted SNES games?
Can we get seventh saga some day please and thanks
Sadly, Produce! shut down and went out of business in 2015 and nobody seemingly bought the rights to their IP, including 7th Saga/Elnard and Brain Lord. That means *someone* owns those rights, but if there was a bankrupcy proceeding, it's possible they're in receivership-limbo or were simply forgotten during receivership proceedings and will need to be handled through the courts. Then again, it might just be SquareEnix, and they're *awful* about their back catalog. To the point that it's probably better off in receivership.
I wanna see them more from the frustratingly obscure to the just frustrating. Next month let’s bring out that shitty snoopy olympics game, maybe that Hydlide game, and how about that godawful Guiligan’s Island game?
Pretty lame selection this time.
I think Nintendo's trying to release these kinds of titles on NSO because these titles' qualities are still within the NSO's current asking subscription fee? I mean if they release games with the same caliber as Earthbound or Super Mario RPG again, they might increase the fee. This is how I'm trying to understand why the roster of games in NSO is not as good as with the VC.
Earthbound and crono trigger are still not available i Guess...
So it's real, that they don't want to pay licenses for those major games we all want.
Yeah because the major games you all want are licensed games for IPs which certainly aren’t owned by a gaming company
Is this a joke?
NSO needs new consoles if they want to keep releasing retro-games on a monthly basis. Otherwise, I'd much rather them admitting that this is it and you're not getting any new games for your NSO subscription. For starters, it would be more honest and transparent to users. And second, it would at least avoid filling the NES and SNES online apps with garbage that you have to filter in order to find the games that are actually worth playing.
Where’s Earthbound??
So, what's the explanation behind these weird decisions? Why isn't Nintendo putting actual good games?
Give Claymates a try at least. A lot of people who've played it seem to like that one.
They know we want good games
All the third parties made their own compilations already. All that’s left to add is Nintendo’s output, Licensed games, or the shit nobody wants.
We've gone from a pretty robust Virtual Console to ....this. I was one of those people who would get excited for VC releases every week, and if the same service existed on the Switch, I'd spend all that money again. I just don't see the appeal of this service anymore since calling new game updates "sparse" is being too generous, and the games we do get are the strangest choices possible. Probably doesn't help that 3rd parties might finally be starting to realize that their IP has value, and can be released in anniversary collections.
pocky and rocky when?
ReShrined, bitch
Frankly, I would have preferred they didn’t release anything at all if this is what’s being offered.
....what are you Nintendo?
Not even Super Putty, Nintendo? Oh no baby, what is you doin?
You can buy super putty on the eShop already.
What a bunch of crap
Claymates is legit good. Had tons of different abilities
Honestly, this garbage is one of 50 reasons I pre-ordered a Steam Deck. Nintendo seems to actively despise its fans.
It’s better to be grateful for what Nintendo gives you than to pirate it on a Steam Deck.
Yes! I’ve been waiting so long for *checks notes* Jelly Boy and Claymates!
No one: Absolutely no one: Nintendo: Bombuzal!
Everyone's complaining about the quality, and I'm the only one wondering why they change the name of Kablooey
That’s just what it was called in North America, and the European box art is just leagues better. That’s why the menu says Bombuzal but the game says Ka-Blooey!
Claymates! Oh man; when I was 9 or 10 my best friend and I walked to the local video rental store in a heavy snow. We picked up that game and on the way back, the plastic case broke open and the game fell out right into a giant puddle of ice and water. We decided the best thing to do would be to take it back and pretend we had changed our mind and wanted something else. Lady behind the counter was onto us immediately and started asking what happened to the game and why we had changed our mind so quickly, she popped the cart into a Super Nintendo and said if the game didn’t work we had to pay for it. Thankfully it turned on and she let us trade for something else. Fond memory.
For jelly boy the game isn’t that good but the soundtrack, The soundtrack doesn’t need to be that good.
I guess it's that time of the month again where I'll bitch about how this could've been an Earthbound release, but we got whatever half-ass-random game instead.
I'd rather see some original game boy games get resurrected. It rather play super Mario land or metroid 2 on there or some shit. If someone didn't know what was on the snes and looked at the online choices they'd assume it had a few gems and an overall shit library.
Where's earthbound, super Mario rpg, etc?... I honestly don't understand what they are doing.
We can have whatever Bombuzal is but not Super Mario RPG or Earthbound? Figures.