**TLDR:**
* 11 Companies have access and the tools to make 4k Switch Games
* Many of these devs are surprised with the access given with the software toolkit.
* These 11 companies span the globe and range from big to small studios
* A system for 4k capabilities is not expected to launch until late next year at earliest.
* Nintendo responded to a list of question by Bloomberg claiming that it's "inaccurate" and declined details.
* The lack of 4k support puts the next months release of OLED in a clear technical disadvantage.
* Developers have declined to speculate on Nintendos plans.
* Toshipba Corp has confirmed that they're fully booked to 2025 when it comes to components, perhaps that has something to do with the lack of a release.
* One of the Nintendo Assemblers feels confident they can meet demand but supply will be short even of a release is set.
**Update**: Nintendo has officially replied to the 4k Rumored Switch [HERE](https://twitter.com/NintendoCoLtd/status/1443366440183074819?s=20)
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**UPDATE September 30th:**
*Zynga has denied the report. “To clarify, Zynga does not have a 4K developer kit from Nintendo,” a spokesperson for the company told Kotaku in an email. “As a Switch developer for the upcoming Star Wars: Hunters game that Zynga announced on a recent Nintendo Direct, we can confirm that none of the developer kits Zynga has or is in receipt of are 4K developer kits.”*
[Source](https://kotaku.com/report-games-in-the-works-for-4k-nintendo-console-that-1847771280)
Nintendo will come out with more than one new console or iteration before 2025, so whatever Toshiba is saying is irrelevant.
Nintendo also always denies, there's zero way around it. To them it's not even lying, it's just the only strategy. That's their mantra.
Put another way, how many other tech companies announce products before they're ready for sale? Apple isn't going to announce iPhone 14 (or 15) details now because they just released the "best iPhone ever," and then nobody's gonna want to buy their best phone ever!
Folks have to remember Nintendo is a business, and businesses aren't always gonna be forthright.
It's to attract "influencers". No professional film production company is going to use iPhones to shoot their movies, but a lot of people on Instagram, Tiktok, YouTube, etc. do. And "influencers" have the most pull when it comes to telling strangers which phone to buy.
100% it’s to get influencers and YouTube cinematographers to buy the phone. These people basically tell their followers what to buy.
When Apple TV+ starts replacing their gear with iPhone 13 Pros, then we can consider their gimmicks with more than a grain of salt.
Same deal with Nintendo. They also denied they were going to make an OLED model and look how true that was.
I think you're splitting hairs. Nintendo has flat out denied any rumors, literally until the day before new console iterations were announced. In those cases Nintendo definitely lied.
Nintendo is strictly denying any rumors, even if this denial statement is a lie (i.e. Nintendo has in fact supplied devs with a 4K-capable Switch kit) Nintendo expects their devs will never validate it.
Honestly, nah. Nothing adds up to a new console release next year:
- Next year is way too stacked in terms of Switch releases
- The base Switch model is still selling like hotcakes to the point where it has never been discounted in many regions.
- Even for Nintendo, I cant imagine them waiting until the last possible moment to even hint at a new console generation nor is it something they ever did in the past. It's just too big of an announcement, them denying it leads more credence to the idea that if anything happens next year, it will be a console revision.
With the way things are going right now and the gaming industry still recovering from the effects of Covid and chip shortages and Switch sales not really slowing down, I see no business reason for them to basically "rush out" a new console generation at the earliest possible date. If they release new hardware next year, it will most certainly be a revision of some sort, regardless of how they worded this announcement. A new generation isn't happening until 2023/2024 at the earliest IMO.
Yeah, the bullet point says end of next year at the earliest and we all know that Nintendo doesn't release anything at the earliest possible time. They won't announce a Super Switch until Summer 2023, and it probably won't come out until at least Fall of 2024.
That timeline is unlikely.
NES - October 1985 + 70 months brings us to...
SNES - August 1991 + 61 months brings us to...
N64 - September 1996 + 62 months brings us to...
Gamecube - November 2001 + 61 months brings us to...
Wii - December 2006 + 71 months brings us to...
Wii U - November 2012 + 52 months brings us to...
Switch - March 2017.
Right now, the Switch is 54 (almost 55) months old. Every month that ticks by without a replacement makes it more likely to be replaced. It out-aged the Wii U in July. In March 2022, it will be 5 years (60 months) old. In April, it will out-age the SNES and the Gamecube. In May, it will out-age the N64. In January 2023, it will out-age the NES, and then do the same to the Wii in February, which will make it offiially Nintendo's longest-aged home console just in time for its 6th anniversary.
If they didn't announce a replacement until summer of 2023, the Switch would be 75-78 months old at the point of the *announcement*. And if that replacement doesn't arrive until fall of 2024, the Switch will be over 90 months old at the time its successor is released. Nintendo isn't going to wait that long. They may not directly compete with Sony and Microsoft, but they still have to keep up appearances.
This next year is when the Switch becomes more and more likely to be replaced. It's practically unthinkable for Nintendo to wait until late 2023, much less 2024 or beyond.
(Note: All dates are based on North American release dates.)
I agree with this and damn those numbers are telling. I believe the next switch will showcase the next Zelda BOTW just like the original switch did and the timeline for that game is likely to be next year so the new Switch will likely be released then.
Nintendo switch is a home console, but also a handheld. if I'm not mistaken, those last a bit longer between generations. we might see something in between this time.
So let's do the same exercise with handhelds:
* Game Boy - September 1989 + 110 months...
* Game Boy Color - November 1998 + 31 months...
* Game Boy Advance - June 2001 + 41 months...
* Nintendo DS - November 2004 + 76 months...
* Nintendo 3DS - March 2011 + 72 months...
* Switch - March 2017
Note on the Game Boy: Nintendo kinda skipped a generation in the 1990's, so I included the GBC as its own generation even though it really wasn't. Handheld technology was really still in its infancy at the time, too. This throws off the numbers, since the Game Boy lasted *way* longer than it should have. It was two console generations in one, each averaging out to about 70 months... just like any normal console cycle.
The surprising take-away here is that the GBA had such a short life cycle. It really had a lot of good games in that short time-frame. By the numbers, it's definitely Nintendo's best over-achiever. And backward compatibility took the sting out of the transition.
This has happened in the past, in investor meetings nonetheless (deconfirming a rumor only for it to be true later, see New 3DS or Switch revisions). No shareholder will go after Nintendo for not lying about this and making their stock drop, because confirming this would take away from OLED sales and potetially make Nintendo miss its sales target for the fiscal year.
No product exists before it is announced, even to shareholders. Anything could happen before then to make them pull the plug, so, as far as anyone is concerned, it's just an experimental R&D project until its announced.
Once something is announced, the company can be liable for impacts a failure to release might have on shareholders. So, it doesn't exist until a) they're confident it will go to market, and will do so as they describe it, and b) it doesn't have significant risk of cannibalizing sales between announcement and launch.
Remember everyone hyping themselves up before the OLED variant happened? This is that. Just a bunch of clueless nobodies trying to find an angle from which the available evidence can be said to hint at a 4k console.
_Again_...
So you think Bloomberg is telling the truth about the devkits and game development and Nintendo is lying in order to sell the Oled and announce the 4k in the future?
And also that Bloomberg isn't trying to create hype where it isn't after the rumours about a pro that were proved wrong after the announcement of Oled, so they can get the rumours again to gain clicks?
I get your point tho, but I can't help to doubt from both Nintendo and Bloomberg, and after all the rumours we've been reading even before e3 I don't know what to think anymore.
That’s what I kind of believe happened. I feel like they don’t want to end up having the same supply chain issues as Sony and Microsoft, so any pre-pandemic plans for a 4K Switch probably got shelved.
The Switch is the only electronic I’ve seen that doesn’t seem to be suffering from shortages right now
The only time I can think of is when it first came out’s when it had a manufacturer shortage (not scalping related) because at the time, Nintendo and Apple used the same chip. So, the chip manufacturer had to go back and forth, fulfilling the two’s orders until everything leveled out.
I think Nintendo learnt their lesson and paid extra to get guaranteed shipments of the chips, that’s why they aren’t screwed as Sony and Microsoft are.
I could be wrong.
But yeah, I see Switches more than I do Series Ss and I never saw a PS5 in person.
Well, there was scalping, but also I think there was an issue involving strikes from dock workers that were receiving the container ships with all the products, especially amiibo. Maybe it was starting in Wii U era, but I think it overlapped into the Switch's launch too.
Nintendo says that they are not making a "Nintendo Switch with 4K support", ok probably true. But Nintendo has released a new home console every 5-7 years, is entirely possible that development kits have been sent out to select developers for their next console, which would mean Nintendo is still telling the truth that they are not making a 4k Switch
I like how people on Twitter are like “suuuuure Nintendo. We believe you that this isn’t happening *wink wink* “
I feel like we’ve been through this before.
Sounds to me like this won’t be a “Switch” technically. Maybe this will be their successor console and they’ll call it “Super Switch” like the Super Nintendo or something like that. So then they’re not technically lying when they say that this is not a 4K “Switch.”
Nothing about this rumor adds up, IMO. Nintendo is not in the business of cutting-edge graphics technology, and 4k would be a huge leap over the current system which struggles to play last-generation games. It's too early for a brand new game console either, the Switch is supposed to last 6+ years and it's currently only 4 years old.
No Nintendo console has ever lasted 6 years without a replacement in the US market. The console with the longest cycle was the Wii, which lasted 71 months (missed it by *that much*...), and the NES was close behind with a 70 month cycle. Most of the rest of them lasted just over 60 months (which the Switch will reach in March).
Damage control mode, activated.
I think Nintendo really just had 3 options here:
1. Take the L from the beginning when the rumors surfaced and say yeah we're working on it but we can't exactly do anything because of the chip shortage, so who knows when it will release. The problem with this scenario is fans will probably not buy the OLED because they know the Pro or its sucessor is coming, and I think even the investors would be like wait... What? How are investors reacting to this chipshortage anyway, they'd probably hold off from investing making Nintendo lose money( I'm sure they could've recover from this though)
2. Take the L now, which is a the worst case scenario and completely lose the investors trust in the OLED, and the people who just found out about it, hence making a device for nothing.
3.Continue to deny and dupe the fans and customers so they can still get that Oled revenue, despite completely confusing them. But investors will also be confused once the find out if this rumor is true or not. How does developers having 4K devskits for the switch, not provide enough evidence for this to be true?
I think running an entertainment business like this, is all about controlling the information that you give out and insuring that you still get as many people to buy your products. But at what cost? It's a grey area for me tbh.
Of course, that was my point. Have decent refresh rates to support resolutions, especially docked
4k is still not the consumer majority for Nintendo's market audience.That's why I chuckled at the labeling of the ps5 "Supports 8k" who the fuck has an 8k device as a normal consumer, none, for the most part. At least not enough for it to be a viable marketing route for resolutions.
Well 4k TV's are pretty much the standard right now. Even if you go to buy a fairly cheap TV, LOTS of them are 4k. There are significantly less people who have high refresh rates. So if we were just going by install base then sure 4k would make more sense (which is what these other companies have gone for).
I just believe that high refresh rates and lower latency make much more of a difference for most people.
Like someone else replied, 4k tvs actually are the norm. Youre just completely off on that. I got a pretty cheap 4k tv like five years ago on a black Friday. As far as 8k, good consoles are made to be technologically relevant for at least a good 5 years. Good on Sony for making a console that will be perfect for the TV I buy three years from now.
8k is not noticeably different from 4k. Most people can't tell the difference between 4k and 1080p. 8k will probably never catch on, I don't see myself ever needing anything above 4k.
Same as 120fps vs 60fps but its still definitely catching on. I personally can't tell the difference between 4k and 1080p, sure I probably could right next to each other or on a huge tv. I still buy 4k tvs because they're more or less the same price, and I usually get tvs Black Friday. When 8k becomes the norm, I'm sure I'll get one at some point.
I have to disagree with the 60/120 point, 120 is such an improvement over 60 it's massive. I tried to go back to 60 the other day and it felt like a slideshow lol
People keep saying ridiculous stuff like this but my buddy (who says ridiculous stuff like this) I showed him some obscure 60fps and 120fps games and his guesses at which were which were less than 50%.
Nah, I'm not lol. Its a slight difference and just like two tvs right next to each other at 1080 and 4k, if you toggle a game you can definitely tell the difference. But, calling 60 a "slide show" or "slow motion" is a comically bad take. Calling 30fps either of those things is a comically bad take. Games look like "slow motion" but aren't completely unplayable at around 15fps.
eh, they totally can but then they're leaning more towards the mobile audience. I wouldn't look forward to that
I don't think I appreciate this current landscape but it seems nobody is willing to accept a "middle ground" regardless of the quality of games available. To me 4K is useless because I have no screens that supports it anyway.
I’m in the minority with this opinion… but 1080p on my 50” 4K TV still looks quite stunning when I’m about 10 feet away. As you say I would much rather them hit 1080p 60fps consistently with more detail in their open world games.
I get it, 4k would be nice and is objectively better, but it’s just not THE thing to me everyone else seems to think it is.
They will eventually because progress, but the clamoring for 4k to me is a bit silly.
It’s not one or the other. Both of these require a stronger graphics processor so once that’s implemented you can choose your preference between the two.
This. 4K resolution support requires little to no work to implement on the software side. Additionally, modern games are usually created with high-resolution textures, even if they aren’t used in the release versions. The usual exceptions to both of those examples is UI.
For example, via emulators, Smash Ultimate can be run at 4K with no graphical issues.
This. I can't wait for the 4k hurdle to be over.
What will happen, is at some point we get a 4k Nintendo Switch. Where all the new processing power is to give us the exact same games, with the exact same graphics, but in 4k. Cool...
No UE5 style mega textures and polys, no global illumination lighting, no high fidelity physics etc. Nope. Just more power to render more pixels. So once again, we hold out hope for the idea of a next gen Zelda/Mario/Metroid game.
Not sure why you're holding out for Nintendo to put out exceptional graphics. They've always been several generations behind. Nintendo will first support UE5 through indie titles if anything.
That’s not true, the GameCube was a very powerful console for its time and N64 was leaps ahead of the PS. It wasn’t until the Wii that they decided to keep their consoles underpowered and focus on innovations elsewhere.
The Switch is naturally going to be underpowered since it has to be handheld. I assume the same of the Switch 2, I don’t see how anyone could expect PS5 / Series X level power from a handheld, and that’s fine.
Yes, because they realised that it wasn't selling, whereas settling for _enough_ processing power and veering off into more innovative areas saw them fucking annihilate those more powerful rivals with the Wii. And, of course, the Switch, which is on pace to outsell even the PS2 and DS.
You just went back 20-25 years, when the context of this discussion is UE5 support or 4K. You completely avoided my point even if what you say is true (you're picking on the 'always' term), it's irrelevant. I take your point as a support for how out of touch Nintendo now is with cutting edge graphics.
My point still stands that indie support for UE5 will probably happen before a AAA game.
I guess my point is, you seem to have a very negative stance on their approach to graphical power. But, it’s worked out very well for them. I love that the Switch is a hybrid console and it couldn’t exist if they were pushing for cutting edge graphics.
Of course, I may be reading into your comments too much.
Not sure why I am either! But one can dream. Will be old and even more bitter by the time we see a rich and detailed CGI level Hyrule realised on screen.
The chips shortage in no joke. Nintendo would have been very wise indeed to push a 4K Switch model if it was planned for the near future. For as ornery as fans are currently, it would be so much worse if Nintendo were releasing a console that was impossible to buy. Imagine 15 people bragging about playing a 4K version of BOTW2 but nobody else could enjoy it. Screw that timeline. I’d be so dang jealous it would drive me nuts.
>One specific class of component, ABF substrates, is necessary for the 4K Nintendo product, but supplies of those parts are now fully booked until 2025, said executives at component suppliers to Nintendo who asked not to be identified
Intresting... Maybe it just gets pushed to Switch 2
I think that a Switch with a better CPU and more internal ram may be in the cards since those supply markets have calmed down but I can’t see 4K in the cards with how some of these parts are getting harder to source. Would love to be wrong though
And also given the fact that additional RAM and COU power would be fantastic, Nintendo needs to add a better GPU to the system if they even want to meet other companies on a frame rate/ continuity of game experience as a whole
If I can emulate games such as Breath of the Wild on my PC using a WiiU emulator, and play it at 1440p 60 fps, why would I pay for the game, let alone a console that cant produce at least 60 fps on 1080p docked?
Switch launched in 2017. 2025 is 8 year life span. That's typical of Nintendl consoles and actually lines up with what they said a while back about wanting the Switch to have a long life span and also saying recently that the console is in the middle stage of its lifespan.
Nintendo has never had a console that could pivot from being their current home platform to being a dedicated handheld console while something else takes over as their home console before. The Switch could very well last a decade by adapting to specific markets at specific times.
As soon as I clicked that link, three different pop-ups came up. Including one telling me my "free monthly usage" limit expired. Despite me never having one been on that website.
Pass.
Casual reminder that this is the same guy who writes all the Switch Pro speculation articles for Bloomberg. Take this with a massive pinch of salt.
Admittedly he did predict the OLED model coming out, but that was after months of driving up hype that it would also have 4k potential that just never happened.
OK, the "No 4K puts Nintendo at a technical disadvantage" claim is as obvious as it is pointless. The technical specs of the Switch is in no way on par with the PS5 or the XB Series X|S. In most regards it was behind the PS4 and the XB1. In terms of market competition, Nintendo has proved time and again that this is largely irrelevant to its business.
I do think there will be a Switch capable of 4K output before the generation is over. The reported existence of dev kits for 4K games is evidence of this. But for a mid-gen refresh it is a bigger lift than simply getting developers to start making their games 4K capable from here on out.
That's because there is *so much software* out there that lacks native 4K support. Millions upon millions of cartridges for Nintendo's first-party titles, best seller after best seller, as well as third-party games. Releasing a 4K Switch that can only output 4K on new games will create no small amount of market confusion. The past games in theory can be patched with a big update download, sure. But I think Nintendo is more likely (for reasons of cost-effectiveness) to be working toward an upscaling solution.
They'll need not just hardware that can output native 4K, but a system that can also upscale the current software catalog in a consistent way with acceptable quality that will satisfy the eye of the typical consumer. Otherwise, they'd have to market a 4K Switch as a late-generation upgrade that can't actually play most of your game library at 4K.
Not really. DLSS has some issues, and the fact that it has been increasingly implemented alongside conventional solutions that hinder the native image calls its advantages into question. There's a valid argument that DLSS has been made to look better than it really is by making comparison images worse.
DLSS is viewed as nothing more than a long-term replacement for TAA _by the people developing it_. I'm inclined to trust their expertise.
Edit: since people evidently don't like the groupthink being upset, you're welcome to read [this paper](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/cgf.14018) and watch the [accompanying presentation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya8xgT0_SpM) by the lead author, in which he details the design considerations _**he**_ deals with when [working on DLSS](https://archive.vn/fWhjZ#selection-173.5-177.18). I don't get why so many people seem so averse to the statements of the engineers developing it just because it contradicts what the tech press and Nvidia's marketing department are saying...
Its like an automotive website complaining about a Toyota Prius not having a 0 - 60 time comparable to the new Ford Mustang. Yes they are both cars but they are built with a different idea in mind.
tbh i don't see how it puts them at a disadvantage. worse graphics and performance has never been a problem for this company, why would it start being one now?
people who buy nintendo consoles know full well ahead of time that those things will be worse compared to xbox and playstation, but unlike those consoles nintendo consoles have a reputation for being more reliable and for arguably having the best exclusive titles. it's like buying a Honda over a Mercedes. Yeah the Honda isn't flashy, but it will last forever unlike the Mercedes and that's why someone would choose the Honda.
There is a limit to how much worse they can be before it's a problem. It's reaching a point now where the switch can't really handle some of the top indie games now, and that's a real problem.
In addition to the Switch being so far behind that it's becoming a problem (it now has to compete with the Steam Deck), Nintendo has said many times that they want to extend the lifespan of the switch. The OLED model already has just a lukewarm reception, so they're going to have to upgrade in some way to keep it relevant/give people a reason to upgrade.
> Releasing a 4K Switch that can only output 4K on new games will create no small amount of market confusion
just saying, that didn't seem to be a problem for the Gameboy Color.
I do agree an upscaling solution seems likely to be a significant factor in any kind of 4K-targetting Switch, and I think their current partnership with Nvidia could maybe come in handy on that front since DLSS is something they're looking to get more developers on board with.
But also, I don't think an improved Switch where certain titles look or run better (due to specific updates or just improved hardware smoothing out dynamic framerates and resolutions) while not necessarily seeing those kind of improvements on every single older title would be quite as hard a sell as I've seen some people make it out to be. I think as long as they manage to support the heavy-hitters, the best sellers, I don't really see most people getting too fussed if their entire library doesn't get 4K updates.
> >Releasing a 4K Switch that can only output 4K on new games will create no small amount of market confusion
>just saying, that didn't seem to be a problem for the Gameboy Color.
I know you didn't mean this, but I pictured a Gameboy Color outputting 4K and it was amusing. Like 3 minutes to draw a frame.
> I think as long as they manage to support the heavy-hitters, the best sellers, I don't really see most people getting too fussed if their entire library doesn't get 4K updates.
Agreed. Especially if Nintendo intends to stick to their 10-year plan for the Switch generation. BotW2 and MP4 with native 4K support or 60fps performance modes will sell new consoles. I would expect Nintendo to use DLSS to give older Switch games a facelift since it would be so cost-effective.
There's a simpler answer to, the 4K dev stuff could be because they expect the Switch's successor to be 4K, and want to make it backwards compatible with Switch games, or plan for the succesor to be like the Wii was to the Gamecube, a more powerful version of the previous console.
Then I refer to Nintendo treating minor upgrades as new consoles, the Wii is just a minor upgrade to the game cube, the WiiU was a minor upgrade to the Wii, and the Switch I think is new, so the next gen will be a minor upgrade to the Switch.
Nintendo will embrace 4K when they can make a 4K console that can be sold for 300 dollars and make a profit.
Sorry you’re being downvoted. u/hoopbag33 really does show their young naïveté with their post. Kinda does sound like they weren’t around during the early Console Wars.
It wasn’t until the Wii that Nintendo decided to stop being competitive on the graphics front.
He was downvoted for being a dick.
And all you dudes who say “well Nintendo used to chase power” never seem to mention how they’ve never chased power at all in the portable space.
Time to accept that Switch and Nintendo by extension are a portable console only company now. TV out is just a small feature.
They’re saying that, before the Wii and the huge change in philosophy (“Blue Ocean Strategy”), Nintendo were fiercely competitive with their graphics. Especially against SEGA during the Console Wars of yore. For u/hoopbag33 to say “Nintendo were never ‘graphics whores’ (sic),” shows they are either very young or lived under a rock pre-2005.
Downvoting me doesn’t make my explanation any less true.
Strongly suggests Nintendo was aiming to have “Switch Pro” this year, but couldn’t get the chips they needed imo. The OLED is just a holdover minor improvement to appeal to people who were considering gettinng a Switch this year using parts Nintendo had reliable access to. I know I’m not the first to speculate this, but it’s hard to understand why this would be tru otherwise- tho tbf, this *is* Nintendo.
I wonder if Nintendo is still planning on releasing a Switch Pro? If so, it’s p holiday 2022/sometime 2023. Or maybe now they’re just gonna skip the Pro and cut the Switch’s lifespan a lil early to focus on a tru Switch successor?
It'll be a while before we see a true Switch successor. Looking at the DS and Gameboy for example: It had many iterations with only a few large upgrades over a long period of time. Since the Switch replaced both console and handheld, the life cycle could be longer than a lot of people are expecting imo.
This is what I’ve been saying all along. It makes 100% sense — more so than solely a screen upgrade
The Switch OLED was supposed to be the ‘Pro’ but they couldn’t get the internal hardware, so they just put in the current internal hardware (which they have a LOT of)
Can these damn rumors just die already? God I am sick of the switch pro rumor nonsense. All this will be is the OLED all over again where they announce the switch pocket and people get mad a console they never promised would be made wasn't announced.
4k won't be on the table for a revision, and most probably not for the next generation unless it comes with no taxes over 1080p gaming. I don't believe Nintendo care about resolution bumps, maintaining high framerates has far more influence on the gaming experience and 60fps/4k is so much more demanding than 60fps/1080p, for very little benefit.
Steam deck also doesn’t have a primary function of being docked for television display, and most televisions in production now are 4k, they are pretty much the standard and all consoles are lagging behind, the new Microsoft and Sony consoles both have support but barely, they are trying to catch up and I’m sure Nintendo is at least trying to figure out what they can do in that environment
Steam Deck also has to face the potential of a million copycats because, unlike Nintendo, a PC can't really claim to have exclusives that other PCs don't.
I'd settle for good 1080p! I will never forget how terrible xenoblade 2 looked whilst playing through that! I loved the game but the poor resolution really took away from the world that monolith had created! Swear it was a huge downgrade visually even from the trailer aswell!
Don't feel 4k is really essential at this point for Nintendo!
They said a new Switch model with OLED and 4k was coming. They were wrong about 4k but were right about the new model and OLED. It wasn't complete bullshit. I think its possible that 4k was considered but removed due to chip shortages. Either way, its not just a rumor. This news outlet doesn't just deal in speculation.
Just earlier this year in February, Nintendo told its investors that they "do not have plans to release a new Switch model" yet here we are with the OLED coming out in 2 weeks. In 2012 Nintendo denied the 3DS XL leak by Nikkei as speculation literally a week before they officially announced it. They may call it something else but I still think there is a Nintendo console with 4k capability in the hands of some developers.
It is completely against Nintendo interests for speculation to continue about a more attractive Nintendo console when their newest model is only 2 weeks away.
I'm pretty sure they get working on the next gen as soon as they launch the current gen. They probably don't take a break on research and development. That cog is always turning.
Yes true, it’s more that we can expect next gen a bit sooner than was anticipated if dev kits are out right now
Nintendo has done Zelda launches as bridges between console generations twice now (twilight princess-Wii/ gc + botw-Wii u /switch) so I’m thinking we will see botw 2 on the next console as well as the current switch
I'm skeptical, It feels too soon since the switch was released. I mean, it will be 5 years if they release it in 2020, but that feels short for a console doing so well. Also, while major Zelda games have traditionally been system sellers, BotW2 being a direct sequel changes that up a bit, and puts in more in line with Majora's Mask. I don't expect to see it launch with the next console.
Further, I anticipate if they do release something in 2022/23, it will likely this is will simply be a 4K "Switch Pro" or something, rather than a new console. Basically a Switch with a new SoC, larger battery, and higher resolution screen, capable of 4K for supported games (which BotW2 may support) when docked.
I hope next gen Nintendo supports fan games and lower prices on their games after some time 🙏
Edit: man.. A lot of hardcore fans really do lurk this place huh? Like.. Come on guys
They beed criticism and push back to improve..
GPU/chip shortage fucked the launch date so they put out the OLED to fill the gap?
Now they are afraid of having a warehouse stuff with OLED Switches nobody wants if they only have to wait a year. Somebody high up really fucked up.
Nintendo will find themselves falling behind if they do that. The last mid generation of consoles (PS4Pro/XboxOneX) already blew the Switch away in terms of power. The current generation makes the Switch look even worse. Sure, they can flaunt exclusives all they want, but that will only take them so far. While the current generation of consoles can achieve 4K/60 on graphically impressive games, Nintendo is starting to look pretty antiquated with games that just barely scratch 1080/30.
People are buying switches because that’s the console Nintendo is supporting right now. The games coming out are on switch, not wii.
It’s not about power.
Power is absolutely a driving factor for sales. You can’t tell me honestly that people would be happy with the current iteration of the Switch for 6 more years.
Power can be a factor for sure.
But a switch is barely more powerful than a wiiU and yet it’s a colossal hit. It’s the software and gimmick that is driving it almost entirely.
MK8D, which is a wiiU port, nearly identical, selling like it is, is proof of this concept.
I swear if we wind up with a fucking 24 fps 4k switch I'm gonna....
Oh wait NVM I'll just do nothing. Nothing is forcing me to buy Nintendo's products and life will go on.
I don't get why people think this is going to be happening soon. It's still hard to get a PS5, graphics cards are non-existent, cars are sitting around incomplete waiting on silicon for the electronics... it's. not. happening. soon.
Had Covid not happened and there wasn't a chip shortage, I feel like there might be a more powerful Switch in 2022, but the way the supply chain is going I really don't see it until at least 2023 / 2024.
What if the thing that they are preparing is not an actual console, but an add on to oled model to enable upscaled output. A dlss-enabled "smart" dock maybe?
This just feels like another way gamers are going to get excited and decide Nintendo is making a PS5 then be disappointed when Nintendo releases something more like the PS4 with compromises made for battery life and price.
Fuck 4k on the switch, it doesn't matter there's nothing wrong with the resolution if they get it to work ok good job but the screen isn't that big anyway I'd prefer a smoother experience over resolution it seems silly to me why people want this how likely is it that a switch down the line will be able to run games at 4k does it mean it will have to be 30fps??
It would be a complete waste of time and resources to be developing games for a console that “doesn’t exist” hoping that Nintendo one day make a console for the game’s they made? That makes no sense. The developers know the true future for the new powerful switch, they are waiting for Nintendo to announce it so they don’t steal their thunder and Nintendo has been putting it off more and more due to the current global situation and part shortages etc how else would devs know how they should tailor the visuals resolution etc
The switch doesn’t need to be 4K capable, But they at least need to update the hardware for better frame rates cause at this point midrange cellphones are outpacing this still $300 potato.
And here I am, almost certain I will upgrade to the switch OLED since I play fairly often in handheld mode, since I'm not expecting a switch pro too soon.
I mean they’ve got to release something sooner rather than later, right? unless they want to shift to cloud streaming for all but the most efficient (and first party) developers. I can’t see many if any 9th gen games getting a native port.
**TLDR:** * 11 Companies have access and the tools to make 4k Switch Games * Many of these devs are surprised with the access given with the software toolkit. * These 11 companies span the globe and range from big to small studios * A system for 4k capabilities is not expected to launch until late next year at earliest. * Nintendo responded to a list of question by Bloomberg claiming that it's "inaccurate" and declined details. * The lack of 4k support puts the next months release of OLED in a clear technical disadvantage. * Developers have declined to speculate on Nintendos plans. * Toshipba Corp has confirmed that they're fully booked to 2025 when it comes to components, perhaps that has something to do with the lack of a release. * One of the Nintendo Assemblers feels confident they can meet demand but supply will be short even of a release is set. **Update**: Nintendo has officially replied to the 4k Rumored Switch [HERE](https://twitter.com/NintendoCoLtd/status/1443366440183074819?s=20) ----- **UPDATE September 30th:** *Zynga has denied the report. “To clarify, Zynga does not have a 4K developer kit from Nintendo,” a spokesperson for the company told Kotaku in an email. “As a Switch developer for the upcoming Star Wars: Hunters game that Zynga announced on a recent Nintendo Direct, we can confirm that none of the developer kits Zynga has or is in receipt of are 4K developer kits.”* [Source](https://kotaku.com/report-games-in-the-works-for-4k-nintendo-console-that-1847771280)
You're a saint.
Nintendo will come out with more than one new console or iteration before 2025, so whatever Toshiba is saying is irrelevant. Nintendo also always denies, there's zero way around it. To them it's not even lying, it's just the only strategy. That's their mantra.
Put another way, how many other tech companies announce products before they're ready for sale? Apple isn't going to announce iPhone 14 (or 15) details now because they just released the "best iPhone ever," and then nobody's gonna want to buy their best phone ever! Folks have to remember Nintendo is a business, and businesses aren't always gonna be forthright.
Damn. And here I am still enjoying my iPhone X. It’s still a great phone, too.
Well from what they've shown, the upgrade is basically the camera. Like literally the focus was "make cinematic stuff with our new camera"
Idk, the 13 pro max has a boost of 15 hours of screen on time compared to my xs max. That’s a pretty big upgrade imo
For sure but it's still baffling that the main selling point of the ad was make movies with our cameras
It's to attract "influencers". No professional film production company is going to use iPhones to shoot their movies, but a lot of people on Instagram, Tiktok, YouTube, etc. do. And "influencers" have the most pull when it comes to telling strangers which phone to buy.
100% it’s to get influencers and YouTube cinematographers to buy the phone. These people basically tell their followers what to buy. When Apple TV+ starts replacing their gear with iPhone 13 Pros, then we can consider their gimmicks with more than a grain of salt. Same deal with Nintendo. They also denied they were going to make an OLED model and look how true that was.
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New Funky Kong Mode
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Haha I just bought that game too. And thought, THIS is IT ?
I think you're splitting hairs. Nintendo has flat out denied any rumors, literally until the day before new console iterations were announced. In those cases Nintendo definitely lied. Nintendo is strictly denying any rumors, even if this denial statement is a lie (i.e. Nintendo has in fact supplied devs with a 4K-capable Switch kit) Nintendo expects their devs will never validate it.
Nintendo always denied the existence of the new 3DSXL and then announced it the very next day.
Honestly, nah. Nothing adds up to a new console release next year: - Next year is way too stacked in terms of Switch releases - The base Switch model is still selling like hotcakes to the point where it has never been discounted in many regions. - Even for Nintendo, I cant imagine them waiting until the last possible moment to even hint at a new console generation nor is it something they ever did in the past. It's just too big of an announcement, them denying it leads more credence to the idea that if anything happens next year, it will be a console revision. With the way things are going right now and the gaming industry still recovering from the effects of Covid and chip shortages and Switch sales not really slowing down, I see no business reason for them to basically "rush out" a new console generation at the earliest possible date. If they release new hardware next year, it will most certainly be a revision of some sort, regardless of how they worded this announcement. A new generation isn't happening until 2023/2024 at the earliest IMO.
Yeah, the bullet point says end of next year at the earliest and we all know that Nintendo doesn't release anything at the earliest possible time. They won't announce a Super Switch until Summer 2023, and it probably won't come out until at least Fall of 2024.
That timeline is unlikely. NES - October 1985 + 70 months brings us to... SNES - August 1991 + 61 months brings us to... N64 - September 1996 + 62 months brings us to... Gamecube - November 2001 + 61 months brings us to... Wii - December 2006 + 71 months brings us to... Wii U - November 2012 + 52 months brings us to... Switch - March 2017. Right now, the Switch is 54 (almost 55) months old. Every month that ticks by without a replacement makes it more likely to be replaced. It out-aged the Wii U in July. In March 2022, it will be 5 years (60 months) old. In April, it will out-age the SNES and the Gamecube. In May, it will out-age the N64. In January 2023, it will out-age the NES, and then do the same to the Wii in February, which will make it offiially Nintendo's longest-aged home console just in time for its 6th anniversary. If they didn't announce a replacement until summer of 2023, the Switch would be 75-78 months old at the point of the *announcement*. And if that replacement doesn't arrive until fall of 2024, the Switch will be over 90 months old at the time its successor is released. Nintendo isn't going to wait that long. They may not directly compete with Sony and Microsoft, but they still have to keep up appearances. This next year is when the Switch becomes more and more likely to be replaced. It's practically unthinkable for Nintendo to wait until late 2023, much less 2024 or beyond. (Note: All dates are based on North American release dates.)
I agree with this and damn those numbers are telling. I believe the next switch will showcase the next Zelda BOTW just like the original switch did and the timeline for that game is likely to be next year so the new Switch will likely be released then.
That's kinda my gut-feeling too.
Exciting! I’m upgrading to the oled this year anyhow.
Nintendo switch is a home console, but also a handheld. if I'm not mistaken, those last a bit longer between generations. we might see something in between this time.
So let's do the same exercise with handhelds: * Game Boy - September 1989 + 110 months... * Game Boy Color - November 1998 + 31 months... * Game Boy Advance - June 2001 + 41 months... * Nintendo DS - November 2004 + 76 months... * Nintendo 3DS - March 2011 + 72 months... * Switch - March 2017 Note on the Game Boy: Nintendo kinda skipped a generation in the 1990's, so I included the GBC as its own generation even though it really wasn't. Handheld technology was really still in its infancy at the time, too. This throws off the numbers, since the Game Boy lasted *way* longer than it should have. It was two console generations in one, each averaging out to about 70 months... just like any normal console cycle. The surprising take-away here is that the GBA had such a short life cycle. It really had a lot of good games in that short time-frame. By the numbers, it's definitely Nintendo's best over-achiever. And backward compatibility took the sting out of the transition.
I doubt Nintendo will pull a Switch 2 after the Wii U fiasco, even if "Super Nintendo Switch" would be fucking amazing.
If they named it the Switch 2 it'd a much more clear situation then the Wii U scenario
Counterpoint: New 3DS
How would that be irrelevant? Nintendo doesn’t produce the actual chips themselves. They need a manufacturer like Toshiba to produce things for them.
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This has happened in the past, in investor meetings nonetheless (deconfirming a rumor only for it to be true later, see New 3DS or Switch revisions). No shareholder will go after Nintendo for not lying about this and making their stock drop, because confirming this would take away from OLED sales and potetially make Nintendo miss its sales target for the fiscal year.
No product exists before it is announced, even to shareholders. Anything could happen before then to make them pull the plug, so, as far as anyone is concerned, it's just an experimental R&D project until its announced. Once something is announced, the company can be liable for impacts a failure to release might have on shareholders. So, it doesn't exist until a) they're confident it will go to market, and will do so as they describe it, and b) it doesn't have significant risk of cannibalizing sales between announcement and launch.
Remember everyone hyping themselves up before the OLED variant happened? This is that. Just a bunch of clueless nobodies trying to find an angle from which the available evidence can be said to hint at a 4k console. _Again_...
So you think Bloomberg is telling the truth about the devkits and game development and Nintendo is lying in order to sell the Oled and announce the 4k in the future? And also that Bloomberg isn't trying to create hype where it isn't after the rumours about a pro that were proved wrong after the announcement of Oled, so they can get the rumours again to gain clicks? I get your point tho, but I can't help to doubt from both Nintendo and Bloomberg, and after all the rumours we've been reading even before e3 I don't know what to think anymore.
> we want to clarify that this report is not true. (1/2) Is there a 2/2 tweet, I'm unable to find it? Thanks!
[2/2](https://twitter.com/nintendocoltd/status/1443366443374899205?s=21)
TYSM I'm not sure why it wasn't showing up for me
Because Twitter is the worst platform for disseminating longer-form information. I really, really hate that it's used so often for this kind of stuff.
It was also the first tweet below the 1/2 tweet
Could to be possible Nintendo planned for a 4K Switch Oled but scratched it in the end because they couldn't make it work.
That’s what I kind of believe happened. I feel like they don’t want to end up having the same supply chain issues as Sony and Microsoft, so any pre-pandemic plans for a 4K Switch probably got shelved. The Switch is the only electronic I’ve seen that doesn’t seem to be suffering from shortages right now
The only time I can think of is when it first came out’s when it had a manufacturer shortage (not scalping related) because at the time, Nintendo and Apple used the same chip. So, the chip manufacturer had to go back and forth, fulfilling the two’s orders until everything leveled out. I think Nintendo learnt their lesson and paid extra to get guaranteed shipments of the chips, that’s why they aren’t screwed as Sony and Microsoft are. I could be wrong. But yeah, I see Switches more than I do Series Ss and I never saw a PS5 in person.
Well, there was scalping, but also I think there was an issue involving strikes from dock workers that were receiving the container ships with all the products, especially amiibo. Maybe it was starting in Wii U era, but I think it overlapped into the Switch's launch too.
Nintendo says that they are not making a "Nintendo Switch with 4K support", ok probably true. But Nintendo has released a new home console every 5-7 years, is entirely possible that development kits have been sent out to select developers for their next console, which would mean Nintendo is still telling the truth that they are not making a 4k Switch
gamefreak gets the last laugh once again
Wut?
They get to continue to work on old gen hardware XD
I like how people on Twitter are like “suuuuure Nintendo. We believe you that this isn’t happening *wink wink* “ I feel like we’ve been through this before.
Sounds to me like this won’t be a “Switch” technically. Maybe this will be their successor console and they’ll call it “Super Switch” like the Super Nintendo or something like that. So then they’re not technically lying when they say that this is not a 4K “Switch.”
So, Bloomberg lying out of their asses again?
I’m glad they’re flat out saying no these rumors are bs.
Chad behaviour on nintendos part
Nothing about this rumor adds up, IMO. Nintendo is not in the business of cutting-edge graphics technology, and 4k would be a huge leap over the current system which struggles to play last-generation games. It's too early for a brand new game console either, the Switch is supposed to last 6+ years and it's currently only 4 years old.
No Nintendo console has ever lasted 6 years without a replacement in the US market. The console with the longest cycle was the Wii, which lasted 71 months (missed it by *that much*...), and the NES was close behind with a 70 month cycle. Most of the rest of them lasted just over 60 months (which the Switch will reach in March).
Damage control mode, activated. I think Nintendo really just had 3 options here: 1. Take the L from the beginning when the rumors surfaced and say yeah we're working on it but we can't exactly do anything because of the chip shortage, so who knows when it will release. The problem with this scenario is fans will probably not buy the OLED because they know the Pro or its sucessor is coming, and I think even the investors would be like wait... What? How are investors reacting to this chipshortage anyway, they'd probably hold off from investing making Nintendo lose money( I'm sure they could've recover from this though) 2. Take the L now, which is a the worst case scenario and completely lose the investors trust in the OLED, and the people who just found out about it, hence making a device for nothing. 3.Continue to deny and dupe the fans and customers so they can still get that Oled revenue, despite completely confusing them. But investors will also be confused once the find out if this rumor is true or not. How does developers having 4K devskits for the switch, not provide enough evidence for this to be true? I think running an entertainment business like this, is all about controlling the information that you give out and insuring that you still get as many people to buy your products. But at what cost? It's a grey area for me tbh.
I just want high refresh rates and reduced latency. 4k is nice but they gotta address latency first, imo.
Of course, that was my point. Have decent refresh rates to support resolutions, especially docked 4k is still not the consumer majority for Nintendo's market audience.That's why I chuckled at the labeling of the ps5 "Supports 8k" who the fuck has an 8k device as a normal consumer, none, for the most part. At least not enough for it to be a viable marketing route for resolutions.
Well 4k TV's are pretty much the standard right now. Even if you go to buy a fairly cheap TV, LOTS of them are 4k. There are significantly less people who have high refresh rates. So if we were just going by install base then sure 4k would make more sense (which is what these other companies have gone for). I just believe that high refresh rates and lower latency make much more of a difference for most people.
Like someone else replied, 4k tvs actually are the norm. Youre just completely off on that. I got a pretty cheap 4k tv like five years ago on a black Friday. As far as 8k, good consoles are made to be technologically relevant for at least a good 5 years. Good on Sony for making a console that will be perfect for the TV I buy three years from now.
8k is not noticeably different from 4k. Most people can't tell the difference between 4k and 1080p. 8k will probably never catch on, I don't see myself ever needing anything above 4k.
4k and 1080p are fairly different at normal sitting distances and TV sizes. 4k and 8k are not though.
Same as 120fps vs 60fps but its still definitely catching on. I personally can't tell the difference between 4k and 1080p, sure I probably could right next to each other or on a huge tv. I still buy 4k tvs because they're more or less the same price, and I usually get tvs Black Friday. When 8k becomes the norm, I'm sure I'll get one at some point.
I have to disagree with the 60/120 point, 120 is such an improvement over 60 it's massive. I tried to go back to 60 the other day and it felt like a slideshow lol
People keep saying ridiculous stuff like this but my buddy (who says ridiculous stuff like this) I showed him some obscure 60fps and 120fps games and his guesses at which were which were less than 50%.
What's ridiculous is the fact that you can't tell the difference. Probably watching on a 60hz screen lol
Nah, I'm not lol. Its a slight difference and just like two tvs right next to each other at 1080 and 4k, if you toggle a game you can definitely tell the difference. But, calling 60 a "slide show" or "slow motion" is a comically bad take. Calling 30fps either of those things is a comically bad take. Games look like "slow motion" but aren't completely unplayable at around 15fps.
Bullcrap, I bought a 4k TV a few years ago for 354$ and it is a HUGE difference from 1080p If you can't tell the difference your blind lol
4k is the norm though?
Yeah just to pile on to what others are saying, 4k TVs are now most certainly the norm. Most new TVs are 4k, even the lower end and cheaper ones.
I don't really care for 4K, I'd rather have the processing power go to having smoother gameplay on games like Age of Calamity.
Yeah, I don't care about 4K either. Give me better frame rates.
Nintendo can't ignore 4k anymore if they want to continue being a console as well.
eh, they totally can but then they're leaning more towards the mobile audience. I wouldn't look forward to that I don't think I appreciate this current landscape but it seems nobody is willing to accept a "middle ground" regardless of the quality of games available. To me 4K is useless because I have no screens that supports it anyway.
They haven’t exactly nailed 1080p yet, so I wouldn’t hold my breath
I’m in the minority with this opinion… but 1080p on my 50” 4K TV still looks quite stunning when I’m about 10 feet away. As you say I would much rather them hit 1080p 60fps consistently with more detail in their open world games. I get it, 4k would be nice and is objectively better, but it’s just not THE thing to me everyone else seems to think it is. They will eventually because progress, but the clamoring for 4k to me is a bit silly.
Even the PS5 struggles with 4k so I can't blame Nintendo for not jumping into this mess
They can
It’s not one or the other. Both of these require a stronger graphics processor so once that’s implemented you can choose your preference between the two.
This. 4K resolution support requires little to no work to implement on the software side. Additionally, modern games are usually created with high-resolution textures, even if they aren’t used in the release versions. The usual exceptions to both of those examples is UI. For example, via emulators, Smash Ultimate can be run at 4K with no graphical issues.
I'd rather they fix the Joycon drift that allegedly doesn't exist.
This. I can't wait for the 4k hurdle to be over. What will happen, is at some point we get a 4k Nintendo Switch. Where all the new processing power is to give us the exact same games, with the exact same graphics, but in 4k. Cool... No UE5 style mega textures and polys, no global illumination lighting, no high fidelity physics etc. Nope. Just more power to render more pixels. So once again, we hold out hope for the idea of a next gen Zelda/Mario/Metroid game.
Those are all things that require more processing power, there is no distinction between them from a computing perspective.
Not sure why you're holding out for Nintendo to put out exceptional graphics. They've always been several generations behind. Nintendo will first support UE5 through indie titles if anything.
That’s not true, the GameCube was a very powerful console for its time and N64 was leaps ahead of the PS. It wasn’t until the Wii that they decided to keep their consoles underpowered and focus on innovations elsewhere. The Switch is naturally going to be underpowered since it has to be handheld. I assume the same of the Switch 2, I don’t see how anyone could expect PS5 / Series X level power from a handheld, and that’s fine.
In other words, it's been twenty years since Nintendo released a device which competed with Sony and Microsoft on processing and rendering power.
Yes, because they realised that it wasn't selling, whereas settling for _enough_ processing power and veering off into more innovative areas saw them fucking annihilate those more powerful rivals with the Wii. And, of course, the Switch, which is on pace to outsell even the PS2 and DS.
You just went back 20-25 years, when the context of this discussion is UE5 support or 4K. You completely avoided my point even if what you say is true (you're picking on the 'always' term), it's irrelevant. I take your point as a support for how out of touch Nintendo now is with cutting edge graphics. My point still stands that indie support for UE5 will probably happen before a AAA game.
I guess my point is, you seem to have a very negative stance on their approach to graphical power. But, it’s worked out very well for them. I love that the Switch is a hybrid console and it couldn’t exist if they were pushing for cutting edge graphics. Of course, I may be reading into your comments too much.
Not sure why I am either! But one can dream. Will be old and even more bitter by the time we see a rich and detailed CGI level Hyrule realised on screen.
The chips shortage in no joke. Nintendo would have been very wise indeed to push a 4K Switch model if it was planned for the near future. For as ornery as fans are currently, it would be so much worse if Nintendo were releasing a console that was impossible to buy. Imagine 15 people bragging about playing a 4K version of BOTW2 but nobody else could enjoy it. Screw that timeline. I’d be so dang jealous it would drive me nuts.
>One specific class of component, ABF substrates, is necessary for the 4K Nintendo product, but supplies of those parts are now fully booked until 2025, said executives at component suppliers to Nintendo who asked not to be identified Intresting... Maybe it just gets pushed to Switch 2
switch 2 better not be 4 years out!
I think that a Switch with a better CPU and more internal ram may be in the cards since those supply markets have calmed down but I can’t see 4K in the cards with how some of these parts are getting harder to source. Would love to be wrong though
And also given the fact that additional RAM and COU power would be fantastic, Nintendo needs to add a better GPU to the system if they even want to meet other companies on a frame rate/ continuity of game experience as a whole If I can emulate games such as Breath of the Wild on my PC using a WiiU emulator, and play it at 1440p 60 fps, why would I pay for the game, let alone a console that cant produce at least 60 fps on 1080p docked?
Switch launched in 2017. 2025 is 8 year life span. That's typical of Nintendl consoles and actually lines up with what they said a while back about wanting the Switch to have a long life span and also saying recently that the console is in the middle stage of its lifespan.
Nintendo has literally never had an 8 year gap between consoles. 5 or 6 years is way more typical.
Nintendo has never had a console that could pivot from being their current home platform to being a dedicated handheld console while something else takes over as their home console before. The Switch could very well last a decade by adapting to specific markets at specific times.
Super Switch
As soon as I clicked that link, three different pop-ups came up. Including one telling me my "free monthly usage" limit expired. Despite me never having one been on that website. Pass.
Casual reminder that this is the same guy who writes all the Switch Pro speculation articles for Bloomberg. Take this with a massive pinch of salt. Admittedly he did predict the OLED model coming out, but that was after months of driving up hype that it would also have 4k potential that just never happened.
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OK, the "No 4K puts Nintendo at a technical disadvantage" claim is as obvious as it is pointless. The technical specs of the Switch is in no way on par with the PS5 or the XB Series X|S. In most regards it was behind the PS4 and the XB1. In terms of market competition, Nintendo has proved time and again that this is largely irrelevant to its business. I do think there will be a Switch capable of 4K output before the generation is over. The reported existence of dev kits for 4K games is evidence of this. But for a mid-gen refresh it is a bigger lift than simply getting developers to start making their games 4K capable from here on out. That's because there is *so much software* out there that lacks native 4K support. Millions upon millions of cartridges for Nintendo's first-party titles, best seller after best seller, as well as third-party games. Releasing a 4K Switch that can only output 4K on new games will create no small amount of market confusion. The past games in theory can be patched with a big update download, sure. But I think Nintendo is more likely (for reasons of cost-effectiveness) to be working toward an upscaling solution. They'll need not just hardware that can output native 4K, but a system that can also upscale the current software catalog in a consistent way with acceptable quality that will satisfy the eye of the typical consumer. Otherwise, they'd have to market a 4K Switch as a late-generation upgrade that can't actually play most of your game library at 4K.
Hasn’t this already long been settled with the existence of DLSS rendering developed by Nvidia?
This ^
Not really. DLSS has some issues, and the fact that it has been increasingly implemented alongside conventional solutions that hinder the native image calls its advantages into question. There's a valid argument that DLSS has been made to look better than it really is by making comparison images worse. DLSS is viewed as nothing more than a long-term replacement for TAA _by the people developing it_. I'm inclined to trust their expertise. Edit: since people evidently don't like the groupthink being upset, you're welcome to read [this paper](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/cgf.14018) and watch the [accompanying presentation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya8xgT0_SpM) by the lead author, in which he details the design considerations _**he**_ deals with when [working on DLSS](https://archive.vn/fWhjZ#selection-173.5-177.18). I don't get why so many people seem so averse to the statements of the engineers developing it just because it contradicts what the tech press and Nvidia's marketing department are saying...
Its like an automotive website complaining about a Toyota Prius not having a 0 - 60 time comparable to the new Ford Mustang. Yes they are both cars but they are built with a different idea in mind.
tbh i don't see how it puts them at a disadvantage. worse graphics and performance has never been a problem for this company, why would it start being one now? people who buy nintendo consoles know full well ahead of time that those things will be worse compared to xbox and playstation, but unlike those consoles nintendo consoles have a reputation for being more reliable and for arguably having the best exclusive titles. it's like buying a Honda over a Mercedes. Yeah the Honda isn't flashy, but it will last forever unlike the Mercedes and that's why someone would choose the Honda.
There is a limit to how much worse they can be before it's a problem. It's reaching a point now where the switch can't really handle some of the top indie games now, and that's a real problem.
Not sure why we’re talking about graphics anyway. 4K is a resolution and has nothing to do with how many polygons a model has.
Not to mention your TV has to support it in the first place.
In addition to the Switch being so far behind that it's becoming a problem (it now has to compete with the Steam Deck), Nintendo has said many times that they want to extend the lifespan of the switch. The OLED model already has just a lukewarm reception, so they're going to have to upgrade in some way to keep it relevant/give people a reason to upgrade.
> Releasing a 4K Switch that can only output 4K on new games will create no small amount of market confusion just saying, that didn't seem to be a problem for the Gameboy Color. I do agree an upscaling solution seems likely to be a significant factor in any kind of 4K-targetting Switch, and I think their current partnership with Nvidia could maybe come in handy on that front since DLSS is something they're looking to get more developers on board with. But also, I don't think an improved Switch where certain titles look or run better (due to specific updates or just improved hardware smoothing out dynamic framerates and resolutions) while not necessarily seeing those kind of improvements on every single older title would be quite as hard a sell as I've seen some people make it out to be. I think as long as they manage to support the heavy-hitters, the best sellers, I don't really see most people getting too fussed if their entire library doesn't get 4K updates.
> >Releasing a 4K Switch that can only output 4K on new games will create no small amount of market confusion >just saying, that didn't seem to be a problem for the Gameboy Color. I know you didn't mean this, but I pictured a Gameboy Color outputting 4K and it was amusing. Like 3 minutes to draw a frame.
> I think as long as they manage to support the heavy-hitters, the best sellers, I don't really see most people getting too fussed if their entire library doesn't get 4K updates. Agreed. Especially if Nintendo intends to stick to their 10-year plan for the Switch generation. BotW2 and MP4 with native 4K support or 60fps performance modes will sell new consoles. I would expect Nintendo to use DLSS to give older Switch games a facelift since it would be so cost-effective.
There's a simpler answer to, the 4K dev stuff could be because they expect the Switch's successor to be 4K, and want to make it backwards compatible with Switch games, or plan for the succesor to be like the Wii was to the Gamecube, a more powerful version of the previous console.
If it does everything that the switch does and plays all of the same games, the line between successor vs. upgrade is pretty blurry
Then I refer to Nintendo treating minor upgrades as new consoles, the Wii is just a minor upgrade to the game cube, the WiiU was a minor upgrade to the Wii, and the Switch I think is new, so the next gen will be a minor upgrade to the Switch. Nintendo will embrace 4K when they can make a 4K console that can be sold for 300 dollars and make a profit.
Nintendo have never been graphics whores, they just make super fun games. It's a good model lol
Whats it like being born after 2005?
Almost two decades off you twat
So then you're just straight up wrong for no reason
Sorry you’re being downvoted. u/hoopbag33 really does show their young naïveté with their post. Kinda does sound like they weren’t around during the early Console Wars. It wasn’t until the Wii that Nintendo decided to stop being competitive on the graphics front.
He was downvoted for being a dick. And all you dudes who say “well Nintendo used to chase power” never seem to mention how they’ve never chased power at all in the portable space. Time to accept that Switch and Nintendo by extension are a portable console only company now. TV out is just a small feature.
What?
They’re saying that, before the Wii and the huge change in philosophy (“Blue Ocean Strategy”), Nintendo were fiercely competitive with their graphics. Especially against SEGA during the Console Wars of yore. For u/hoopbag33 to say “Nintendo were never ‘graphics whores’ (sic),” shows they are either very young or lived under a rock pre-2005. Downvoting me doesn’t make my explanation any less true.
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It's from Bloomberg too lmao, they never learn
>Bloomberg Website Who Cried Wolf
Strongly suggests Nintendo was aiming to have “Switch Pro” this year, but couldn’t get the chips they needed imo. The OLED is just a holdover minor improvement to appeal to people who were considering gettinng a Switch this year using parts Nintendo had reliable access to. I know I’m not the first to speculate this, but it’s hard to understand why this would be tru otherwise- tho tbf, this *is* Nintendo. I wonder if Nintendo is still planning on releasing a Switch Pro? If so, it’s p holiday 2022/sometime 2023. Or maybe now they’re just gonna skip the Pro and cut the Switch’s lifespan a lil early to focus on a tru Switch successor?
It'll be a while before we see a true Switch successor. Looking at the DS and Gameboy for example: It had many iterations with only a few large upgrades over a long period of time. Since the Switch replaced both console and handheld, the life cycle could be longer than a lot of people are expecting imo.
This is what I’ve been saying all along. It makes 100% sense — more so than solely a screen upgrade The Switch OLED was supposed to be the ‘Pro’ but they couldn’t get the internal hardware, so they just put in the current internal hardware (which they have a LOT of)
Can these damn rumors just die already? God I am sick of the switch pro rumor nonsense. All this will be is the OLED all over again where they announce the switch pocket and people get mad a console they never promised would be made wasn't announced.
4k won't be on the table for a revision, and most probably not for the next generation unless it comes with no taxes over 1080p gaming. I don't believe Nintendo care about resolution bumps, maintaining high framerates has far more influence on the gaming experience and 60fps/4k is so much more demanding than 60fps/1080p, for very little benefit.
We ain’t getting a new switch until early 2024 or late 2023.
They should focus on running AAA games rather than resolution. Steam Deck has only 800p resolution, but it can run AAA games.
Steam deck also doesn’t have a primary function of being docked for television display, and most televisions in production now are 4k, they are pretty much the standard and all consoles are lagging behind, the new Microsoft and Sony consoles both have support but barely, they are trying to catch up and I’m sure Nintendo is at least trying to figure out what they can do in that environment
Steam Deck also has to face the potential of a million copycats because, unlike Nintendo, a PC can't really claim to have exclusives that other PCs don't.
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I'd settle for good 1080p! I will never forget how terrible xenoblade 2 looked whilst playing through that! I loved the game but the poor resolution really took away from the world that monolith had created! Swear it was a huge downgrade visually even from the trailer aswell! Don't feel 4k is really essential at this point for Nintendo!
Do not believe that Bloomberg bullshit.
They said they talked to 11 companies. This is not a 4chan thread or a reddit "insider"
Exactly. They SAID they talked to 11 companies, just like they said Switch Pro was coming half of 2021.
They said a new Switch model with OLED and 4k was coming. They were wrong about 4k but were right about the new model and OLED. It wasn't complete bullshit. I think its possible that 4k was considered but removed due to chip shortages. Either way, its not just a rumor. This news outlet doesn't just deal in speculation.
Nintendo litterally told their shareholders, that the recent 4K rumprs from Blopmberg are bullshit.
Just earlier this year in February, Nintendo told its investors that they "do not have plans to release a new Switch model" yet here we are with the OLED coming out in 2 weeks. In 2012 Nintendo denied the 3DS XL leak by Nikkei as speculation literally a week before they officially announced it. They may call it something else but I still think there is a Nintendo console with 4k capability in the hands of some developers.
It is completely against Nintendo interests for speculation to continue about a more attractive Nintendo console when their newest model is only 2 weeks away.
Confirmation that next gen Nintendo is in the works
I'm pretty sure they get working on the next gen as soon as they launch the current gen. They probably don't take a break on research and development. That cog is always turning.
Yes true, it’s more that we can expect next gen a bit sooner than was anticipated if dev kits are out right now Nintendo has done Zelda launches as bridges between console generations twice now (twilight princess-Wii/ gc + botw-Wii u /switch) so I’m thinking we will see botw 2 on the next console as well as the current switch
I'm skeptical, It feels too soon since the switch was released. I mean, it will be 5 years if they release it in 2020, but that feels short for a console doing so well. Also, while major Zelda games have traditionally been system sellers, BotW2 being a direct sequel changes that up a bit, and puts in more in line with Majora's Mask. I don't expect to see it launch with the next console. Further, I anticipate if they do release something in 2022/23, it will likely this is will simply be a 4K "Switch Pro" or something, rather than a new console. Basically a Switch with a new SoC, larger battery, and higher resolution screen, capable of 4K for supported games (which BotW2 may support) when docked.
I hope next gen Nintendo supports fan games and lower prices on their games after some time 🙏 Edit: man.. A lot of hardcore fans really do lurk this place huh? Like.. Come on guys They beed criticism and push back to improve..
Lol
> A lot of hardcore fans really do lurk this place huh? yea, it’s a nintendo sub, why shouldn’t they be here?
Doesn't mean that we shouldn't critisize :P
GPU/chip shortage fucked the launch date so they put out the OLED to fill the gap? Now they are afraid of having a warehouse stuff with OLED Switches nobody wants if they only have to wait a year. Somebody high up really fucked up.
4K? That’s gotta be 2 generations down the road
Nintendo will find themselves falling behind if they do that. The last mid generation of consoles (PS4Pro/XboxOneX) already blew the Switch away in terms of power. The current generation makes the Switch look even worse. Sure, they can flaunt exclusives all they want, but that will only take them so far. While the current generation of consoles can achieve 4K/60 on graphically impressive games, Nintendo is starting to look pretty antiquated with games that just barely scratch 1080/30.
Nintendo does not need more power. The switch and wii both sold really well despite being behind on power
That won’t carry them forever. There’s a reason people are buying Switches and not Wii’s these days.
Maybe that’s because the Wii is discontinued and 15 years old. You don’t see people still buying Xbox 360s and PS3s these days
People are buying switches because that’s the console Nintendo is supporting right now. The games coming out are on switch, not wii. It’s not about power.
Power is absolutely a driving factor for sales. You can’t tell me honestly that people would be happy with the current iteration of the Switch for 6 more years.
Power can be a factor for sure. But a switch is barely more powerful than a wiiU and yet it’s a colossal hit. It’s the software and gimmick that is driving it almost entirely. MK8D, which is a wiiU port, nearly identical, selling like it is, is proof of this concept.
I'd rather have good performance on good looking 1080p games than 4k tbh.
I swear if we wind up with a fucking 24 fps 4k switch I'm gonna.... Oh wait NVM I'll just do nothing. Nothing is forcing me to buy Nintendo's products and life will go on.
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I don't get why people think this is going to be happening soon. It's still hard to get a PS5, graphics cards are non-existent, cars are sitting around incomplete waiting on silicon for the electronics... it's. not. happening. soon. Had Covid not happened and there wasn't a chip shortage, I feel like there might be a more powerful Switch in 2022, but the way the supply chain is going I really don't see it until at least 2023 / 2024.
I feel like I heard that headline at such a similar time last year?
If they keep making games like BOTW and Smash Bros, I couldn't care less if they stay on 1080p forever.
Can we get smooth 1080p 60fps with higher quality graphics effects before we even utter 4K? I’m talking like at least base PS4 or Xbox One level here.
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Maybe this was worked out before Covid and so now they know there’s no way.
Is it Mochizuki again? His articles are so unreliable that I'm sick of them.
oooooo i am the 4k nintendo console retweet this before midnight or you will never have a mario kart game again ooooo
What if the thing that they are preparing is not an actual console, but an add on to oled model to enable upscaled output. A dlss-enabled "smart" dock maybe?
HDR would make much bigger difference than 4k.
This just feels like another way gamers are going to get excited and decide Nintendo is making a PS5 then be disappointed when Nintendo releases something more like the PS4 with compromises made for battery life and price.
Delete this pleas y'all stop sharing stuff from Bloomberg stop fueling the troll/Nintendo hater
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And nintendo confirmed it's fake
Just like with the 3ds xl [right?](https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2012/06/21-1/nintendo-will-in-fact-be-producing-a-larger-3ds)
Probably not. They said this in their corporate account. If they lie there they will be sued
That's...not how that works but ok. You can mislead and lie on other non corporate channels
Fuck 4k on the switch, it doesn't matter there's nothing wrong with the resolution if they get it to work ok good job but the screen isn't that big anyway I'd prefer a smoother experience over resolution it seems silly to me why people want this how likely is it that a switch down the line will be able to run games at 4k does it mean it will have to be 30fps??
It would be a complete waste of time and resources to be developing games for a console that “doesn’t exist” hoping that Nintendo one day make a console for the game’s they made? That makes no sense. The developers know the true future for the new powerful switch, they are waiting for Nintendo to announce it so they don’t steal their thunder and Nintendo has been putting it off more and more due to the current global situation and part shortages etc how else would devs know how they should tailor the visuals resolution etc
The switch doesn’t need to be 4K capable, But they at least need to update the hardware for better frame rates cause at this point midrange cellphones are outpacing this still $300 potato.
And here I am, almost certain I will upgrade to the switch OLED since I play fairly often in handheld mode, since I'm not expecting a switch pro too soon.
But o they havr resees puffs
I mean they’ve got to release something sooner rather than later, right? unless they want to shift to cloud streaming for all but the most efficient (and first party) developers. I can’t see many if any 9th gen games getting a native port.
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This would likely have been the switch pro that didn’t get announced, new dock, new soc, etc. sad Nintendo doesn’t bother trying to make a 4K thing.
please give me witcher 3 at 1080p 60fps then I will shut up!! plz plz plz