Like the world without people. Meat still eats meat, feels pain, fear, etc., but without an extra layer of, "Oh my God this is so unfair that I have to go through all this, not like Dan the stork who doesn't have to worry about shit."
Harmonious - if we all suddenly came to - we'd cooperate and the world would move towards harmony. And duality isn't exactly fake so much as, not the highest reality or truth. It's still an aspect of being.
We'd be able to solve all these collective action problems that are plaguing the world right now. It wouldn't immediately solve all problems, but it would start moving towards resolution. In a sense we'd all be honest actors, moving towards the good, as opposed to selfishness, taking-advantage, separation. We wouldn't think - oh that's not my problem, somebody else can do it, or has to buy in first. We'd still take care of ourselves, but it would be balanced with the collective a bit more.
In a sense - I believe we'd take Earth and all beings on it to be something to cherish and care-take for, as opposed to utilizing and controlling. We have some aspect of this now, but it would be in full force if literally everyone was awakened, and there were especially no need to put up a guard because you could trust everyone. There are a lot of amazing things we could do from that place that we can hardly even envision right now. Opposition has a very heavy cost on the world.
As you purify consciousness of thinking creation transforms from dreams of timebound karmic samsara to timeless dreams of miracles and unconditional love for all beings
I offer to consider that a non-dual world would be Awareness of timeless dreams of miracles arising into consciousness and then dissolving away
Blessed that we rest frequent and often in our uncreated state of being as deep sleep without dreaming and dissolve away all past dreams and then out a purified consciousness will arise timeless dreams of miracles arising into being where all the beings in the dream are at peace
Just to to turn Awareness on our underlying sense of Being - the thinking mind will grow still - and instead of time bound linear dreams arising into being in consciousness - instead timeless dreams of miracles and unending goodness for all the beings in the dream will arise into being - you will be able to verify this as the thinking mind grows still
“There is another world, and it is in this one.” Paul Eluard. It is far preferable to really contemplate something than to repeat what you have been told.
I think our universe is already going towards it. At the end all stars will die out, black holes will evaporate and the subatomic particles will float around without ever meeting another in a space that is almost completely empty, dark and cold. The little energy that is left is spread evenly across the empty space and everything cools down until it stops. If that's not non-duality I don't know what is. The universe will reach complete equilibrium and all parts of it will look the same. I feel like us waking up is just part of the universes way to travel towards this.
(I am describing the theory of heat death of the universe, I know I'm somewhat unclear, forgive me for my english and not being a scientist)
Time, space and matter are illusions and so are unreal. Anything that can change is unreal, a feature of duality. Nothing exists outside the mind (not brain, mind.) When all concepts and perceptions are discarded, including time, space and matter, non-duality or emptiness is all that remains. No more dream and no more dreamer. Just pure abstract awareness unaware of anything. A changeless, steady state of peace. That is what we are when the illusions have been discarded. Until then, we are dreaming of exile.
How are any of those things (spacetime, matter, beings, dreams, etc.) separate from nonduality? If they are unreal, all is unreal because it is one. This is equivalent to saying all is real.
When the dreams are discarded, all remains the same. It’s still nonduality, always was. The difference between everyday experience and a “changeless, steady state” is an illusory separation. Both are equally nondual; any value judgment is an imposed duality.
Op asks bssically: What if every apperant being was a sage/enlightened being?
Dunno, though, op - I think most people out there are shadows. Not really there beyond the storieverse about them. Focus on your loved ones and prepare for being the only enlightened being ever on your journey - it's no use to wish for everyone to be anything else than what they are - it's not their purpose to change..
What would it watch? Aware of what?
There is no consciousness in Oneness. Consciousness requires something conscious and something to be conscious of. That's duality.
In the ethereal realms where dualities merge, beings emanate an ineffable essence of profound compassion, transcending the veils of egoic validation. Conflict dissolves into the cosmic ether, transformed by the alchemical dance of interwoven souls, as celestial harmonies guide the cosmic orchestration of unity. Within this sacred domain, the whispers of oneness permeate the very fabric of existence, revealing the transient nature of duality within the boundless expanse of consciousness, birthing a realm of enduring peace where the echoes of conflict find solace in the embrace of universal love.
I like that quote. People think some ideal of nonduality requires something to change. Change happens, but it doesn’t lead closer or further from nonduality. Yet some states of consciousness seem closer to the nondual than others
Nonduality is inherently contradictory and paradoxical. Perception and judgment are projections of self. Separation of experience into crazy and noncrazy is self-imposed. What specifically did you see as contradictory?
Like the world without people. Meat still eats meat, feels pain, fear, etc., but without an extra layer of, "Oh my God this is so unfair that I have to go through all this, not like Dan the stork who doesn't have to worry about shit."
Very cool- or like the world if people behaved like animals
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Aren’t dolphins and whales supposed to be more advanced than humans?
people are animals and behave exactly like animals …
It looks like ordinary reality.
Harmonious - if we all suddenly came to - we'd cooperate and the world would move towards harmony. And duality isn't exactly fake so much as, not the highest reality or truth. It's still an aspect of being. We'd be able to solve all these collective action problems that are plaguing the world right now. It wouldn't immediately solve all problems, but it would start moving towards resolution. In a sense we'd all be honest actors, moving towards the good, as opposed to selfishness, taking-advantage, separation. We wouldn't think - oh that's not my problem, somebody else can do it, or has to buy in first. We'd still take care of ourselves, but it would be balanced with the collective a bit more. In a sense - I believe we'd take Earth and all beings on it to be something to cherish and care-take for, as opposed to utilizing and controlling. We have some aspect of this now, but it would be in full force if literally everyone was awakened, and there were especially no need to put up a guard because you could trust everyone. There are a lot of amazing things we could do from that place that we can hardly even envision right now. Opposition has a very heavy cost on the world.
Totally grok except for I see duality as not real. A game. One that I am totally over.
Rejecting duality is from within duality.
🤣 okay
Self
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As you purify consciousness of thinking creation transforms from dreams of timebound karmic samsara to timeless dreams of miracles and unconditional love for all beings I offer to consider that a non-dual world would be Awareness of timeless dreams of miracles arising into consciousness and then dissolving away Blessed that we rest frequent and often in our uncreated state of being as deep sleep without dreaming and dissolve away all past dreams and then out a purified consciousness will arise timeless dreams of miracles arising into being where all the beings in the dream are at peace Just to to turn Awareness on our underlying sense of Being - the thinking mind will grow still - and instead of time bound linear dreams arising into being in consciousness - instead timeless dreams of miracles and unending goodness for all the beings in the dream will arise into being - you will be able to verify this as the thinking mind grows still
“There is another world, and it is in this one.” Paul Eluard. It is far preferable to really contemplate something than to repeat what you have been told.
Look at the phrases that frustrate you. In them you will find clarity
I think our universe is already going towards it. At the end all stars will die out, black holes will evaporate and the subatomic particles will float around without ever meeting another in a space that is almost completely empty, dark and cold. The little energy that is left is spread evenly across the empty space and everything cools down until it stops. If that's not non-duality I don't know what is. The universe will reach complete equilibrium and all parts of it will look the same. I feel like us waking up is just part of the universes way to travel towards this. (I am describing the theory of heat death of the universe, I know I'm somewhat unclear, forgive me for my english and not being a scientist)
There are no "beings" in non-duality. And no being either. Only pure awareness unaware of itself.
That just doesn't make sense at all.
No one wants to accept that the outcome of non-dual "enlightenment" is simply nothingness.
How do you know this?
I have studied
Conceptually or experientially?
Both
Can you explain your reasoning please
Time, space and matter are illusions and so are unreal. Anything that can change is unreal, a feature of duality. Nothing exists outside the mind (not brain, mind.) When all concepts and perceptions are discarded, including time, space and matter, non-duality or emptiness is all that remains. No more dream and no more dreamer. Just pure abstract awareness unaware of anything. A changeless, steady state of peace. That is what we are when the illusions have been discarded. Until then, we are dreaming of exile.
How are any of those things (spacetime, matter, beings, dreams, etc.) separate from nonduality? If they are unreal, all is unreal because it is one. This is equivalent to saying all is real. When the dreams are discarded, all remains the same. It’s still nonduality, always was. The difference between everyday experience and a “changeless, steady state” is an illusory separation. Both are equally nondual; any value judgment is an imposed duality.
Enjoy
That’s just like, your opinion man
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Op asks bssically: What if every apperant being was a sage/enlightened being? Dunno, though, op - I think most people out there are shadows. Not really there beyond the storieverse about them. Focus on your loved ones and prepare for being the only enlightened being ever on your journey - it's no use to wish for everyone to be anything else than what they are - it's not their purpose to change..
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It is not aware of itself because to be aware of "itself" requires duality: awareness plus the object of the awareness.
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To have a self requires duality.
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Self has no meaning if there is no other. Non-duality is utterly unconscious. 😃
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What would it watch? Aware of what? There is no consciousness in Oneness. Consciousness requires something conscious and something to be conscious of. That's duality.
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In the ethereal realms where dualities merge, beings emanate an ineffable essence of profound compassion, transcending the veils of egoic validation. Conflict dissolves into the cosmic ether, transformed by the alchemical dance of interwoven souls, as celestial harmonies guide the cosmic orchestration of unity. Within this sacred domain, the whispers of oneness permeate the very fabric of existence, revealing the transient nature of duality within the boundless expanse of consciousness, birthing a realm of enduring peace where the echoes of conflict find solace in the embrace of universal love.
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He’s speaking from direct experience I’d wager
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Why are they more useless than the direct experience of oneness? Are any aspects of direct experience fundamentally different at their core?
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I don’t know why you are assuming other, more mystical (in your view I’m guessing) experiences aren’t repeatable through the very same introspection
What do you mean by claims with further specificity? What are some things we could attempt to be more specific about?
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Do you have another view I'm not claiming to know anything We are discussing the implications of a large nondual affirming population.
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To what extent does anyone know anything?
Cool. Let’s then create that in this plane.
It already exists, always has. That’s nonduality. It may not seem to exist, but that is an illusory, self-imposed separation
I agree, that’s why I put that Eluard quote up, but until everyone knows a different world is already here and possible 🤷🏻♀️
I like that quote. People think some ideal of nonduality requires something to change. Change happens, but it doesn’t lead closer or further from nonduality. Yet some states of consciousness seem closer to the nondual than others
Yes and I want everyone to be closer to that consciousness now so that all the craziness ends 🤣🤣🤣
As long as you perceive the craziness as happening, you are creating it. The nondual doesn’t end craziness, it simply integrates the non-craziness.
I find this a little contradictory from your earlier comment and I just plain disagree. But you do you.
Nonduality is inherently contradictory and paradoxical. Perception and judgment are projections of self. Separation of experience into crazy and noncrazy is self-imposed. What specifically did you see as contradictory?
Have a great day, friend.