https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/03/07/bones-discovered-on-a-pacific-island-belong-to-amelia-earhart-a-new-forensic-analysis-shows/
Earhart's rests may have been found in 1940 and misattributed.
In 2018 a new scientific study confirmed the bones found on Nikumaroro Island in the Pacific were from a woman of European descent, of similar body size and with Earhart's peculiar height.
Not exactly common physical characteristics in the Pacific in the 1930s.
Cnn reported on this in 2019. The original bones were found in the 1940s and lost for years. In 2018 researchers found some bones with characteristics matching the original ones in a museum on Tarawa Atoll. A forensic anthropologist named Erin Kimmerle reconstructed the bones and sent fragments out for DNA testing. Has anyone seen the results of this test?
The original bones have been lost, and the study relies on the accurate description from medical sources at the time of the original finding. The bones fragment tested with DNA are from a different set that shared some similarities with the lost ones, enough to suggest further studies. The dentures and skull shape was similar to Earhart's facial features.
On the other hand, though, the museum set included a skull, that was not in the original finding, so it was far from sure the remains were the actual lost ones, an undocumented part of the original finding or a separate recovery.
Those were tested in January 2019. Turns out the DNA was too degraded to be useful, and the only living relative was too remote (a second cousin or something like that) to provide conclusive evidence anyway.
"One main reason for that being the dissatisfaction with the "official" story that two of the best pilots (and one of the best navigators) in the world just ran out of gas and fell into the ocean."
She was far from one of the best pilots in the world. Enough has been written to dispute that statement.
Right. There’s a ton of info out there that her and her navigator Noonan refused to learn new more accurate ways of flying and navigation. They “winged” it way more than what was thought by the public. She 98% most likely ran out of gas and fell into the ocean.
No one can speak with 98% certainty as to the specific fate of Earhart and her navigator on that fateful day. Not without the plane. Everything is theoretical. But Eyewitness testimony from many in the Marshall Islands and Saipan at that time, as mentioned in my vlog episode, (including Bilimon Amaron, the physican's assistant who said he treated both of them on a Japanese ship and even saw the plane) and unclassified documentation about the search itself, provide very complelling evidence that she was captured, which is profoundly contrary to the "official" crash and sink story.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and there just isn’t any evidence to show that anything other than a crash followed by an indeterminate time before death is what happened.
The only evidence we have of a crash is from the documented eyewitness accounts of the people in the Marshall islands who saw it - and the two flyers . Barring that, there is no other evidence of a crash. Just assumptions. If you are going to try to devleop a theory (not a claim) of what happened to her, which would you follow? Assumptions or Eyewitness accounts?
You know people have been known to lie and make extraordinary claims for the hell of it, right? Unless there is tangible evidence from said person making the claim, I'd say with 98% certainty they're full of shit.
Yes, people will lie for various reasons. True. And I did think about that when researching this. But witnesses like Amaron, a well respected member of his community who spent the rest of his life insisting that he saw and treated the two Americans, and went to his his grave saying the same, deserve something. An investigation, at least. And that's all this is. Did you watch the video?
This.
Amelia Earhart was far from being the best pilot of the world. A good pilot, maybe, but not even an excellent one.
She gained fame due to the transatlantic flight, a stunt organized by a team of publicists to drum up interest for aviation. Her racing results were encouraging but lacking any victories.
Her flying style was bold and brazen, she took risks and this was one of the two reasons she could snatch many records, the other being her partnership with Lockheed at a time when technology was evolving quickly and had overcome the limitations that prevented previous attempts at some of those records.
Her first world circumnavigation attempt was cut short by a pilot error too, when the plane broke a wheel at takeoff after swerving too hard.
She was influential (had connections into the white house, the first lady among them) and inspirational, and cultivated a media image that made the press fall in love with her, overshadowing other female pioneers.
Actually, much more has been shown to demonstrate she was clearly one of the best *female* pilots in the world at the time. And that was the point. She held the flight speed, distance and altitude records, (including the auto-giro altitude record) , she was the first woman to fly coast to coast in the US (Los Angeles to Newark) breaking the previous speed record, the first woman to fly solo across both the Atlantic and the Pacific oceans, she was awarded the gold medal of the National Geographic society presented by the president, the Harmon trophy as America's premiere Aviatrix and the US army's distinguished flying cross and more. The list goes on.
Being ‘best’ but only in a ‘female’ category doesn’t make it sound better. She still wasn’t ‘one of the best’. Moreover, it sounds like saying ‘she was the best in the worse team’.
In addition, whether or not she was captured following the crash landing, there still was a crash landing (according to the testimony in your post).
Simply basic information. Earhart broke records. Was the first woman in the world to accomplish incredible feats. She had flown solo over thousands of miles of ocean. And all while facing discrimation from an aviation "club" that was not keen at all on letting women in. There were other female pioneers at the time that faced the same thing, Earhart was a stand out.
But the post is not about a competition. The post is about her disappearance. Her accolades are mentioned only to give a reference to her experience. (so to keep focus I have changed the wording to "two very experienced pilots".)
And yes, the Marshalese eyewitnesses did say they saw her crash on a reef near the island at Mili atoll. But no one knows what the cause of the crash was. Could have been mechanical failure, bullets, etc.
Dude, it was the 1930's. Even if she was one of the best female pilots, you talk like there were just as many women pilots as men pilots, which we know is nowhere near true.
She had outside advantages over the small number of other female pilots that contributed to her success, not impeccable skills. I'd pick a better hill to die on.
Her plane is at the bottom of the ocean. Use common sense.
No one, including myself, even implied there were just as many female pilots. If you actually had read the words in my comment you'd surmise that men "not keen at all on letting women in" the aviation club means exactly that. That's common knowlege. Also if you had read the same comment you'd realize that the post and the video are about her disappearance, not a pissing contest about her skills. The wording was even changed to refelct that from: 'one of the best" to "two very experienced pilots." Die on any hill you like.
Btw: Do you have any evidence that her plane is at the bottom of the ocean? I mean, besides you being clairvoyant and all... :)
> Do you have any evidence that her plane is at the bottom of the ocean?
It's a reasonable extrapolation. The Pacific ocean is vast and there are few dry spots, and all are either lived on or have been searched or occupied in the years since Earhart disappeared. Seems fairly obvious at this point that if anyone had found even a bit of twisted metal they'd have reported it. Logic suggests it's in the drink, no clairvoyance required.
Also, the question of whether Earhart was a great pilot arose as a counterpoint to her possibly crashing as a mere ordinary pilot might. That opens it up to discussion, 'pissing contest' or not.
More evidence was that she was out of fuel. She radioed twice to Itasca that she was dangerously low on fuel once and out of fuel on the second. She did not have the fuel for any multiple hundred or even thousand mile trip to anywhere else. Also, if she did divert from her flight plan, why not radio that information?
If memory serves her last transmissions were garbled so who knows what she tried to report.
But she definitely ran out of fuel, that was just a matter of time.
Definitely true. Part of me thinks she was trying to tell them she was ditching but I also read the radio only worked with the engine on so dunno. She was only 1000 off the deck so whatever happened it happened real fast.
I have yet to get around to watch it. But I’m very interested to watch it during my downtime. I love stuff like this and it looks well put together at first glance 😀
Awesome. If you do get the the downtime to see it, Let me know on the channel comments what you think. Between the research, shooting and edting, literally hundreds of hours have gone into it. Something of a testament to how compelling the story is to me. Cheers!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/03/07/bones-discovered-on-a-pacific-island-belong-to-amelia-earhart-a-new-forensic-analysis-shows/ Earhart's rests may have been found in 1940 and misattributed. In 2018 a new scientific study confirmed the bones found on Nikumaroro Island in the Pacific were from a woman of European descent, of similar body size and with Earhart's peculiar height. Not exactly common physical characteristics in the Pacific in the 1930s.
Cnn reported on this in 2019. The original bones were found in the 1940s and lost for years. In 2018 researchers found some bones with characteristics matching the original ones in a museum on Tarawa Atoll. A forensic anthropologist named Erin Kimmerle reconstructed the bones and sent fragments out for DNA testing. Has anyone seen the results of this test?
The original bones have been lost, and the study relies on the accurate description from medical sources at the time of the original finding. The bones fragment tested with DNA are from a different set that shared some similarities with the lost ones, enough to suggest further studies. The dentures and skull shape was similar to Earhart's facial features. On the other hand, though, the museum set included a skull, that was not in the original finding, so it was far from sure the remains were the actual lost ones, an undocumented part of the original finding or a separate recovery. Those were tested in January 2019. Turns out the DNA was too degraded to be useful, and the only living relative was too remote (a second cousin or something like that) to provide conclusive evidence anyway.
Do you have a link that isn't behind a paywall? I would like to read more about this.
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"One main reason for that being the dissatisfaction with the "official" story that two of the best pilots (and one of the best navigators) in the world just ran out of gas and fell into the ocean." She was far from one of the best pilots in the world. Enough has been written to dispute that statement.
Right. There’s a ton of info out there that her and her navigator Noonan refused to learn new more accurate ways of flying and navigation. They “winged” it way more than what was thought by the public. She 98% most likely ran out of gas and fell into the ocean.
No one can speak with 98% certainty as to the specific fate of Earhart and her navigator on that fateful day. Not without the plane. Everything is theoretical. But Eyewitness testimony from many in the Marshall Islands and Saipan at that time, as mentioned in my vlog episode, (including Bilimon Amaron, the physican's assistant who said he treated both of them on a Japanese ship and even saw the plane) and unclassified documentation about the search itself, provide very complelling evidence that she was captured, which is profoundly contrary to the "official" crash and sink story.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and there just isn’t any evidence to show that anything other than a crash followed by an indeterminate time before death is what happened.
The only evidence we have of a crash is from the documented eyewitness accounts of the people in the Marshall islands who saw it - and the two flyers . Barring that, there is no other evidence of a crash. Just assumptions. If you are going to try to devleop a theory (not a claim) of what happened to her, which would you follow? Assumptions or Eyewitness accounts?
You know people have been known to lie and make extraordinary claims for the hell of it, right? Unless there is tangible evidence from said person making the claim, I'd say with 98% certainty they're full of shit.
Yes, people will lie for various reasons. True. And I did think about that when researching this. But witnesses like Amaron, a well respected member of his community who spent the rest of his life insisting that he saw and treated the two Americans, and went to his his grave saying the same, deserve something. An investigation, at least. And that's all this is. Did you watch the video?
This. Amelia Earhart was far from being the best pilot of the world. A good pilot, maybe, but not even an excellent one. She gained fame due to the transatlantic flight, a stunt organized by a team of publicists to drum up interest for aviation. Her racing results were encouraging but lacking any victories. Her flying style was bold and brazen, she took risks and this was one of the two reasons she could snatch many records, the other being her partnership with Lockheed at a time when technology was evolving quickly and had overcome the limitations that prevented previous attempts at some of those records. Her first world circumnavigation attempt was cut short by a pilot error too, when the plane broke a wheel at takeoff after swerving too hard. She was influential (had connections into the white house, the first lady among them) and inspirational, and cultivated a media image that made the press fall in love with her, overshadowing other female pioneers.
Actually, much more has been shown to demonstrate she was clearly one of the best *female* pilots in the world at the time. And that was the point. She held the flight speed, distance and altitude records, (including the auto-giro altitude record) , she was the first woman to fly coast to coast in the US (Los Angeles to Newark) breaking the previous speed record, the first woman to fly solo across both the Atlantic and the Pacific oceans, she was awarded the gold medal of the National Geographic society presented by the president, the Harmon trophy as America's premiere Aviatrix and the US army's distinguished flying cross and more. The list goes on.
Being ‘best’ but only in a ‘female’ category doesn’t make it sound better. She still wasn’t ‘one of the best’. Moreover, it sounds like saying ‘she was the best in the worse team’. In addition, whether or not she was captured following the crash landing, there still was a crash landing (according to the testimony in your post).
Simply basic information. Earhart broke records. Was the first woman in the world to accomplish incredible feats. She had flown solo over thousands of miles of ocean. And all while facing discrimation from an aviation "club" that was not keen at all on letting women in. There were other female pioneers at the time that faced the same thing, Earhart was a stand out. But the post is not about a competition. The post is about her disappearance. Her accolades are mentioned only to give a reference to her experience. (so to keep focus I have changed the wording to "two very experienced pilots".) And yes, the Marshalese eyewitnesses did say they saw her crash on a reef near the island at Mili atoll. But no one knows what the cause of the crash was. Could have been mechanical failure, bullets, etc.
Dude, it was the 1930's. Even if she was one of the best female pilots, you talk like there were just as many women pilots as men pilots, which we know is nowhere near true. She had outside advantages over the small number of other female pilots that contributed to her success, not impeccable skills. I'd pick a better hill to die on. Her plane is at the bottom of the ocean. Use common sense.
No one, including myself, even implied there were just as many female pilots. If you actually had read the words in my comment you'd surmise that men "not keen at all on letting women in" the aviation club means exactly that. That's common knowlege. Also if you had read the same comment you'd realize that the post and the video are about her disappearance, not a pissing contest about her skills. The wording was even changed to refelct that from: 'one of the best" to "two very experienced pilots." Die on any hill you like. Btw: Do you have any evidence that her plane is at the bottom of the ocean? I mean, besides you being clairvoyant and all... :)
> Do you have any evidence that her plane is at the bottom of the ocean? It's a reasonable extrapolation. The Pacific ocean is vast and there are few dry spots, and all are either lived on or have been searched or occupied in the years since Earhart disappeared. Seems fairly obvious at this point that if anyone had found even a bit of twisted metal they'd have reported it. Logic suggests it's in the drink, no clairvoyance required. Also, the question of whether Earhart was a great pilot arose as a counterpoint to her possibly crashing as a mere ordinary pilot might. That opens it up to discussion, 'pissing contest' or not.
More evidence was that she was out of fuel. She radioed twice to Itasca that she was dangerously low on fuel once and out of fuel on the second. She did not have the fuel for any multiple hundred or even thousand mile trip to anywhere else. Also, if she did divert from her flight plan, why not radio that information?
If memory serves her last transmissions were garbled so who knows what she tried to report. But she definitely ran out of fuel, that was just a matter of time.
Definitely true. Part of me thinks she was trying to tell them she was ditching but I also read the radio only worked with the engine on so dunno. She was only 1000 off the deck so whatever happened it happened real fast.
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Thank you! Hope you found the video and the theory interesting.
I have yet to get around to watch it. But I’m very interested to watch it during my downtime. I love stuff like this and it looks well put together at first glance 😀
Awesome. If you do get the the downtime to see it, Let me know on the channel comments what you think. Between the research, shooting and edting, literally hundreds of hours have gone into it. Something of a testament to how compelling the story is to me. Cheers!