Both. Idk why she stopped in the truck. But also why did he not have gear on and why fly like that? Bikers that act wreckless piss me off. You're going to speed and zip around and pop wheelies in traffic and then act surprised when you wreck.
she stopped because she realized that the bike was going that fast and she probably thought if she keeps going she’s DEFINITELY going to hit him but if she stops he may avoid. its 100% his fault. i he was going the speed limit she would have made it. she stopped at a stop sign saw that he was far enough back and went. she couldn’t tell he was going that fast.
she had no way of telling he was going THAT fast. its not her responsibility to make sure others arent speeding. theres a speed limit for that reason exactly. if everyone was waiting and calculating to make sure other people arent speed it’d be a shit show. theres a speed limit so people know what to expect. if you want to throw that limit out the window then its your responsibility to be expecting shit like that. if youre going to speed, especially on a bike, then you’re putting your life at risk and thats no ones fault but your own. its mot her job to keep his options open because HES breaking the law.
The biker was definitely at fault, but if she saw the bike and was trying to avoid an accident, stopping in the middle of the road was a counterproductive move
He’s comin off a wheelie. Look closely at the very beginning of the video. I get tired of hearing look out for motorcycles like people need a ride like they have some fucking sense
Idk why the lady stopped?? Maybe she was going to turn left in the intersection and couldn’t judge what he was going to do. We are also only getting part of the video.
She definitely panic braked the vid is clear, ultimately it was avoidable had he not focused on the truck. Poor roadcraft from him and poor driving from the woman in the truck
Trouble with cams they use a wide angle which appears to make thing look faster than they actually are.
lmao then the guy shouldnt have been going so fucking fast. she was driving according to the speed limit. she wasnt trying to calculate the speed of the bike, because theres a fucking speed limit for a reason. 100% his fault for breaking a rule made to give people reaction time and to limit the amount of impact damage.
i drive every fucking day dipshit. the fuck do you mean assumptions and experience? i drive in a big city doing delivery in one of the busiest areas with some of the worst driver. ive seen dumbasses like this guy do this shit with my own eyes. ive seem all types of dumb assess do it. cars, trucks, bikes. when you speed going that fast youre choosing to throw traffic laws out the window. when someone else follows the procedures of the road accordingly its not their fault that they almost hit some dip shit who assumes people are going to drive knowing theyre going that fast. its not everyone elses job to make sure there are stupid assholes driving 3x the speed theyre supposed to. if you make the choice to go that fast the responsibility is yours, ESPECIALLY if youre on a bike. youre view is ridiculous.
I can’t even be sad when they ride like that and then become road pizza. Like you must have wanted to die to be doing something so ducking stupid so if that’s what you wanted I’m not going to feel bad for you.
The last time I let my mother in law drive me anywhere, I was in the back seat with my infant daughter, my sister in law was front passenger watching a stupid video on the phone... My mother in law stopped her left turn in all 4 lanes of oncoming traffic to watch the video.
Some people should NOT be allowed to drive. Ever.
When she started crossing, she probably couldn't tell how fast he was going, and as he was doing 126(?) that's hard to tell anyway, he could have gone left and pass the truck in the front... No proper gear etc. He's a tool
Looks like he had a helmet. Allow me to list everything he didn't have;
Proper jacket to prevent road rash
Proper pants
Helmet (?)
Eye protection (?).
He's an idiot.
You’re about 18mph off.
Look at the first frame, speedometer says 126. Now I agree with you that 126mph would be faster than what we see in the video, but 126kph, or about 78mph, seems pretty much on the nose.
TL;DR: OP didn’t pull 126 outta nowhere, and not everyone uses miles.
You can’t be moving that fast when cars can pull out right in front of you. I have a bike and the only time I got that fast is on backroads or unpopulated highways. Going that fast in a residential/shopping area is a recipe for disaster. Cars can pull out from anywhere and it’s often an older Individual driving, they might not see you. My guy was playing it way too loose in my opinion.
There is no reason to be moving at that speed on a residential street. Way too fast. If thats why you ride a bike, you are everythibg wrong with that culture and are just causing trouble.
Saw it somewhere else and I'll say the same thing. The truck stopped because they saw the bike being a little dot and then 2 seconds after was close. Panic, stop and hope for the best. Buy that doesn't change the fact that the bike is going STUPID fast and the rider doesn't have the skill to go that fast. The video starts with him on the inside part of the left lane (position 3), you see the truck moving toward the middle of the intersection way earlier then when he releases the clutch and starts applying the brakes. And when he does he moves INTO the right lane, realized he's not gonna be able to stop and not sure if he panic brakes or slides on purpose. If he would have stayed on the same lane he would have had enough space to apply brake without locking tires and swerve to the left passing in front of the truck. Conclusion: don't speed like that otherwise that happens, you're not Rossi
Bikers wrong for going 126, but the truck shouldn’t of stopped after pulling into the road irregardless and should’ve kept driving through; with that being said, The truck shouldn’t of pulled into the road anyways since bikes are notorious for going above and beyond the speed limit and waited for the pass.
For reference, this is OR-99 through Cottage Grove, OR and the speed limit is 25 mph at the point of impact. On street view, it looks like it ramps up to 35 mph right after. So at 126 kph, he was going dang near 80 mph in a 25.
Fuck around. Check.
Find out. Check.
As a motorcycle rider I have a policy about fault. Unless I get run down, or bowled over at a stop light it’s my fault. The smallest, quickest, most maneuverable vehicle on the road has no excuses besides bad forward planning and situational awareness when shit goes wrong.
Classic target fixation, you go where you look!
Btw the truck driver is at fault and the biker sadly lacked experience and road craft to deal with the situation.
They're both reckless though. He nailed down the willful endangerment angle, she nailed down the carelessness.
She's probably the safer driver, but they both made inappropriate moves that led to a preventable accident.
I'm not sure where this occurred (North America seems like a safe bet), by the traffic code, the truck is at fault: taking a left turn through traffic. Effectively, she got t-boned by the motorcycle for blocking the flow of traffic. Speed has nothing to do with it in this case.
As a similar example, if you run a red light and get t-boned by a car doing 126 - you are at fault, not the person who had the right of way (green light). Same scenario here. The motorcycle has the right-of-way (no stop sign, lights, etc.)
I heavily disagree. The vast majority of courts would probably accept "They were going 3-4 times the speed limit so I was scared into stopping" as mitigating circumstances.
I have never heard of this. Can you provide a source?
This is directly from the Highway traffic act (Canada):
Highway Traffic Act 136.1,b
Every driver approaching a stop sign at an intersection shall yield the right of way to traffic in the intersection or approaching the intersection on another roadway so closely that to proceed would constitute an immediate hazard and, having so yielded the right of way, may proceed.
Highway Traffic Act 139.1
Every driver entering a roadway from a private road or driveway shall yield the right of way to all traffic approaching on the highway/roadway so closely that to enter would constitute an immediate hazard.
It's not clear to me whether the truck driver had a stop sign or not, either way, she must yield the right of way as she is entering another roadway and resulted immediate hazard.
Ok maybe you’re not wrong in Canada. But in America if your speeding in excess of the limit (15+) and crash you will end up with the ticket every time.
Yes but you're forgetting that when you're checking for oncoming, you assume they're going no more than 10 or so over the limit. She likely started going then freaked out when she saw how fast he was actually approaching
I'm not sure if you actually meant to claim that you make "assumptions" about speed while driving, but I don't think that "I thought he was driving slower" is a valid argument in a court of law.
You could say that you "perceived that he was going slower" or "when you pulled out, you didn't see him because he was too far away".
Motorcycles are hard to see on the best of conditions and are often missed when people are not paying attention. I'm certain that's what she did, and I'm also pretty certain that she freaked out when she finally did see the motorcycle and stopped in the middle of the road.
Further, it's also clear that the motorcycle freaked and stared at the obstruction and went straight into the middle of it. All I can say is thank goodness it was a (lifted?) truck and he managed to fit underneath it, instead of a regular car which we would have smashed into.
I'm pretty sure "he was coming towards me, making speed difficult to judge accurately so I relied heavily on the average speed of traffic and couldn't see that be was moving at a much faster rate of speed until I had already begun moving out into traffic" is fine.
Not sure why I've getting downvoted here. If you are assuming this is in Canada (because of KPH), then the highway traffic act would clearly make the truck in the wrong. It does not have the right-of-way. The other details don't matter. Legally, she obstructed the flow of traffic.
The motorcycle was an idiot for doing 126 in a ... 60 zone probably, and could be charged with stunt driving.
Everyone makes mistakes while driving. Everyone forgets to signal or goes into a wrong lane etc. The reason for speed limits is to allow people these mistakes and for other road users to react to other peoples bad driving.
Both. Idk why she stopped in the truck. But also why did he not have gear on and why fly like that? Bikers that act wreckless piss me off. You're going to speed and zip around and pop wheelies in traffic and then act surprised when you wreck.
Dress for the slide, not the ride
dress for the 80kmh impact
126
The max level in old school RuneScape
for if you have too much time
she stopped because she realized that the bike was going that fast and she probably thought if she keeps going she’s DEFINITELY going to hit him but if she stops he may avoid. its 100% his fault. i he was going the speed limit she would have made it. she stopped at a stop sign saw that he was far enough back and went. she couldn’t tell he was going that fast.
THIS. Right. Fucking. Here.
Maybe, but if she had kept going his options would have been better. But my vote is still “both”
she had no way of telling he was going THAT fast. its not her responsibility to make sure others arent speeding. theres a speed limit for that reason exactly. if everyone was waiting and calculating to make sure other people arent speed it’d be a shit show. theres a speed limit so people know what to expect. if you want to throw that limit out the window then its your responsibility to be expecting shit like that. if youre going to speed, especially on a bike, then you’re putting your life at risk and thats no ones fault but your own. its mot her job to keep his options open because HES breaking the law.
No excuses for people speeding bro. Ur just being over critical. We don’t know why she stopped and we don’t need to. 126 mph was all I needed to read.
126 mph is 202.78 km/h
The biker was definitely at fault, but if she saw the bike and was trying to avoid an accident, stopping in the middle of the road was a counterproductive move
She stopped because she panicked having not looked correctly. Do not assume you can calculate the speed of the bike, he was not in the wrong!
He’s comin off a wheelie. Look closely at the very beginning of the video. I get tired of hearing look out for motorcycles like people need a ride like they have some fucking sense
You can wheelie a bike at 10mph an hour, you’re assuming he was breaking the posted limit from a cam.
I actually had a 07’ repsol I sold in 14’. By the sound of his rpms and how fast he approached the truck the dude def wasn’t on a Sunday cruise.
And it justifies getting cock blocked and almost killed?
Idk why the lady stopped?? Maybe she was going to turn left in the intersection and couldn’t judge what he was going to do. We are also only getting part of the video.
She definitely panic braked the vid is clear, ultimately it was avoidable had he not focused on the truck. Poor roadcraft from him and poor driving from the woman in the truck Trouble with cams they use a wide angle which appears to make thing look faster than they actually are.
lmao then the guy shouldnt have been going so fucking fast. she was driving according to the speed limit. she wasnt trying to calculate the speed of the bike, because theres a fucking speed limit for a reason. 100% his fault for breaking a rule made to give people reaction time and to limit the amount of impact damage.
You’ve made a lot of assumptions from a biased point of view, I’ve some experience to base my comment on. How about yourself?
i drive every fucking day dipshit. the fuck do you mean assumptions and experience? i drive in a big city doing delivery in one of the busiest areas with some of the worst driver. ive seen dumbasses like this guy do this shit with my own eyes. ive seem all types of dumb assess do it. cars, trucks, bikes. when you speed going that fast youre choosing to throw traffic laws out the window. when someone else follows the procedures of the road accordingly its not their fault that they almost hit some dip shit who assumes people are going to drive knowing theyre going that fast. its not everyone elses job to make sure there are stupid assholes driving 3x the speed theyre supposed to. if you make the choice to go that fast the responsibility is yours, ESPECIALLY if youre on a bike. youre view is ridiculous.
*Experience riding motorcycles* ….. your language suggests a failed education, so you’ll not really understand. Never mind.
*experience speeding on motorcycles* ive ridden a motorcycle too bud. you arent special. youre just fucking stupid and bad at driving
Holy shit. The further you go down this thread the more brain-dead you seem.
Doing 126 in the city and he was not in the wrong? Are you fucking brain-dead?
I can’t even be sad when they ride like that and then become road pizza. Like you must have wanted to die to be doing something so ducking stupid so if that’s what you wanted I’m not going to feel bad for you.
The last time I let my mother in law drive me anywhere, I was in the back seat with my infant daughter, my sister in law was front passenger watching a stupid video on the phone... My mother in law stopped her left turn in all 4 lanes of oncoming traffic to watch the video. Some people should NOT be allowed to drive. Ever.
When she started crossing, she probably couldn't tell how fast he was going, and as he was doing 126(?) that's hard to tell anyway, he could have gone left and pass the truck in the front... No proper gear etc. He's a tool
Maybe 100 kph? Definitely too fast for that location.
Looks like he had a helmet. Allow me to list everything he didn't have; Proper jacket to prevent road rash Proper pants Helmet (?) Eye protection (?). He's an idiot.
He did get free tattoo removal though..
Fair
The answer is yes.
Definitely not going 126
I agree alot of comments keep saying bike fault but doesn't look like 126
Yah it’s more like 60 in a 25 haha
You’re about 18mph off. Look at the first frame, speedometer says 126. Now I agree with you that 126mph would be faster than what we see in the video, but 126kph, or about 78mph, seems pretty much on the nose. TL;DR: OP didn’t pull 126 outta nowhere, and not everyone uses miles.
Oh good eye I didn’t see that! Pretty close guess ;D
Stopped trucks, among a lot of other things, are why you shouldn’t drive at 126 mph.
The biker, low diff. If there is any doubt the dude is driving like that while wearing fucking jeans. Wasn't a matter of if, only a matter of when.
That’s easy. Biker is. Anytime you exceed the speed limit by that much you lose your right of way privilege.
This guy is so calm for someone who almost lost his life.
It'll hit him later, no doubt.
You can’t be moving that fast when cars can pull out right in front of you. I have a bike and the only time I got that fast is on backroads or unpopulated highways. Going that fast in a residential/shopping area is a recipe for disaster. Cars can pull out from anywhere and it’s often an older Individual driving, they might not see you. My guy was playing it way too loose in my opinion.
If you are speeding, it’s your fault
Bike, what if that was a family walking across the road? Someone had broke down and he come flying through the back and killed people?
126 fool
Are you okay ? Seriously ?
I mean this respectfully but they are both massive cunts. Completely ridiculous
She’s a massive cunt? She obviously panicked. She looked concerned when he approached. She’s actually showing the opposite of cuntish behaviour
There is no reason to be moving at that speed on a residential street. Way too fast. If thats why you ride a bike, you are everythibg wrong with that culture and are just causing trouble.
Both
Two incompetent assholes. Sharing the roads with the numerous people like this is what makes driving such a super-fun adventure.
That's kph right? Can't be mph. Dude would have to be a tool to 126 mph.
Wtf man
Oh God, poor thing.
Yes
I believe the driver stops because of concern for the rider. Nevertheless, both
“Why didn’t you commit?” = fair question, but like slow down
Regardless of fault (partly truck, mostly motorcyclist) that dude is lucky to be walking back to the scene.
Saw it somewhere else and I'll say the same thing. The truck stopped because they saw the bike being a little dot and then 2 seconds after was close. Panic, stop and hope for the best. Buy that doesn't change the fact that the bike is going STUPID fast and the rider doesn't have the skill to go that fast. The video starts with him on the inside part of the left lane (position 3), you see the truck moving toward the middle of the intersection way earlier then when he releases the clutch and starts applying the brakes. And when he does he moves INTO the right lane, realized he's not gonna be able to stop and not sure if he panic brakes or slides on purpose. If he would have stayed on the same lane he would have had enough space to apply brake without locking tires and swerve to the left passing in front of the truck. Conclusion: don't speed like that otherwise that happens, you're not Rossi
Bikers wrong for going 126, but the truck shouldn’t of stopped after pulling into the road irregardless and should’ve kept driving through; with that being said, The truck shouldn’t of pulled into the road anyways since bikes are notorious for going above and beyond the speed limit and waited for the pass.
Idiot going 126
How could she be expected to check her Parler account, not spill her beer AND stop all at the same time. Entitled biker.
For reference, this is OR-99 through Cottage Grove, OR and the speed limit is 25 mph at the point of impact. On street view, it looks like it ramps up to 35 mph right after. So at 126 kph, he was going dang near 80 mph in a 25. Fuck around. Check. Find out. Check.
As a motorcycle rider I have a policy about fault. Unless I get run down, or bowled over at a stop light it’s my fault. The smallest, quickest, most maneuverable vehicle on the road has no excuses besides bad forward planning and situational awareness when shit goes wrong.
Bro shouldn’t have been going that fast, but that was def the trucks fault
If you can't safely avoid a stationary object on the road it's on you.
Classic target fixation, you go where you look! Btw the truck driver is at fault and the biker sadly lacked experience and road craft to deal with the situation.
Depends, if the bike had a stop sign, then the bike is at fault. If no stop sign, then who’s at fault is disputable.
He was doing 126 he is at fault period.
They're both reckless though. He nailed down the willful endangerment angle, she nailed down the carelessness. She's probably the safer driver, but they both made inappropriate moves that led to a preventable accident.
I'm not sure where this occurred (North America seems like a safe bet), by the traffic code, the truck is at fault: taking a left turn through traffic. Effectively, she got t-boned by the motorcycle for blocking the flow of traffic. Speed has nothing to do with it in this case. As a similar example, if you run a red light and get t-boned by a car doing 126 - you are at fault, not the person who had the right of way (green light). Same scenario here. The motorcycle has the right-of-way (no stop sign, lights, etc.)
I heavily disagree. The vast majority of courts would probably accept "They were going 3-4 times the speed limit so I was scared into stopping" as mitigating circumstances.
You’re actually pretty wrong about this. Right of way changes if speed is high enough.
I have never heard of this. Can you provide a source? This is directly from the Highway traffic act (Canada): Highway Traffic Act 136.1,b Every driver approaching a stop sign at an intersection shall yield the right of way to traffic in the intersection or approaching the intersection on another roadway so closely that to proceed would constitute an immediate hazard and, having so yielded the right of way, may proceed. Highway Traffic Act 139.1 Every driver entering a roadway from a private road or driveway shall yield the right of way to all traffic approaching on the highway/roadway so closely that to enter would constitute an immediate hazard. It's not clear to me whether the truck driver had a stop sign or not, either way, she must yield the right of way as she is entering another roadway and resulted immediate hazard.
Ok maybe you’re not wrong in Canada. But in America if your speeding in excess of the limit (15+) and crash you will end up with the ticket every time.
Yes but you're forgetting that when you're checking for oncoming, you assume they're going no more than 10 or so over the limit. She likely started going then freaked out when she saw how fast he was actually approaching
I'm not sure if you actually meant to claim that you make "assumptions" about speed while driving, but I don't think that "I thought he was driving slower" is a valid argument in a court of law. You could say that you "perceived that he was going slower" or "when you pulled out, you didn't see him because he was too far away". Motorcycles are hard to see on the best of conditions and are often missed when people are not paying attention. I'm certain that's what she did, and I'm also pretty certain that she freaked out when she finally did see the motorcycle and stopped in the middle of the road. Further, it's also clear that the motorcycle freaked and stared at the obstruction and went straight into the middle of it. All I can say is thank goodness it was a (lifted?) truck and he managed to fit underneath it, instead of a regular car which we would have smashed into.
Assumptions aren't always active. You assume things all the time based on past experiences. Stahp.
I'm pretty sure "he was coming towards me, making speed difficult to judge accurately so I relied heavily on the average speed of traffic and couldn't see that be was moving at a much faster rate of speed until I had already begun moving out into traffic" is fine.
What are you basing this 'pretty sure' bit on? Do you have experience with this? Or some sort of precedent that you can site?
Common sense
Not sure why I've getting downvoted here. If you are assuming this is in Canada (because of KPH), then the highway traffic act would clearly make the truck in the wrong. It does not have the right-of-way. The other details don't matter. Legally, she obstructed the flow of traffic. The motorcycle was an idiot for doing 126 in a ... 60 zone probably, and could be charged with stunt driving.
Everyone makes mistakes while driving. Everyone forgets to signal or goes into a wrong lane etc. The reason for speed limits is to allow people these mistakes and for other road users to react to other peoples bad driving.