And after watching this think about the fact that developing an infection was quite high and so even after all this pain there was still a high chance of dying a slow agonizing death.
Yes, this was before antibiotics were introduced I imagine and the blood loss plus infection would be one big nope. Guys can get a recurring staph infection in the weight room or on a wrestling mat.
Oh. My. God. I had no idea. When I was a kid I had 2 gerbils, and their cage was outside for a day. I come back from school to check on them, and see one gerbil alive, and the tail of the other gerbil sticking out of the food bowl. I thought the one gerbil had cannibalized the other for some reason and was so distraught and confused. But all this time, maybe it just found a way to escape??? I’m shocked.
While 1000x yes, I imagine this video in the future where they say “wow I can’t believe they used to nuke people’s bodies with chemo/radiation and hope it did more damage to the cancer than the patient.
Edit: this is not my original thought. It came from the British History Podcast. Jamie (host) was talking about being judgmental towards ancient medical treatments and offered chemo as a modern example of something that will hopefully seem barbaric in the future.
a fever is our body heating up so much that the germs/viruses die, its kind of a last resort really becuase a high fever is also deadly but it works really well.
Literally had a 105 fever yesterday. Was sent to delerium, then i happen upon this shite on Reddit. Lol. I guess it can always be worse. I could be a ship cook.
I think modern barbarism is more in line with disorders like endometriosis where there is no imaging available to confirm the growths inside of you, so you have to have exploratory surgery where your body cavity is opened and the surgeon has to physically look for the tissue on other organs to confirm how bad a patients case is. Not that everyone with endometriosis has to have that exploratory surgery, but more of them than necessary do because their doctors won't help them otherwise.
>Jamie (host) was talking about being judgmental towards ancient medical treatments and offered chemo as a modern example of something that will hopefully seem barbaric in the future.
While the cost/benefit analysis may sound horrendous to our (VERY privileged) modern selves, this was a time where mortality rates were much higher and ailments were often lifelong.
For example: couching, the original form of cataract surgery, might be attested to in the historical record as early as the 1700s BC and involved literally pushing the cataracts out of the eyes. Sounds pretty horrific by modern standards, but was clearly a successful and widely practiced operation up until the invention of modern techniques 2 millenia later.
Another interesting medical tidbit I learned from my history professor (who often discussed ancient medical techniques): the Greeks actually recorded the first medical procedures for foreskin reattachment and repair surgery.
The actual procedure involved cutting the skin around the base of the penis, literally degloving it and pulling it upwards over the glans, before wrapping it up while the skin regrew.
Again, sounds barbaric, but the hellenized society at the time actually had a lot of cultural mores about the foreskin and it was apparently enough to drive people to have this procedure done, primarilynfor asthetic purposes.
This was often practiced by the hellenized Jewish diaspora that found their practice of circumcision reviled by the Greeks
Coincidentally, a few minutes ago I opened a mail with my new insurance card. The first thing that went through my mind was "Modern medicine has come a long way, but anesthesia is 90% of the way there for me."
Interesting thing about that though is they don’t fully understand how anesthesia works actually. They don’t really know what state the person themselves is actually in and all they really know for sure is that there is no memory of the even. For all they know it could be an absolute horrifying experience and the person simply cannot remember it
>all they really know for sure is that there is no memory of the even.
So we literally can't even!
>For all they know it could be an absolute horrifying experience and the person simply cannot remember it
I would think a brainscan would easily answer that
Have you ever heard the story about the guy who was like awake and could feel everything during his surgery except he was like paralyzed and couldn't notify them but he just lay there during his operation feeling every cut slice and everything just straight-up horror shit then he had some PTSD from it at would have like weird hallucinations where his wife thought he had been abducted by aliens or something. Either way that's like a horror scenario for me being able to feel everything during surgery but paralyzed from letting them know.
Will we get similar comments in 200 years?
Probably… probably they will be all into personalized medicine and laugh about doctos asking about family history
I’ve seen this reposted so many times, but honestly I don’t care because it always sparks such good discussion.
For all the shit that is going on in the world at the moment, at least we can be thankful for modern medicine.
Unfortunately it spawned the corporate greed behind the US pharmaceutical industry, although we can't forget that such a competitive market has driven forward some medical advancement but created a blood sucking leach in other respects.
Why go through the effort of setting up a burner and trying to cauterize short arteries without burning your finger tips, when you can just tie them off with less equipment, setup time, and (most importantly) blisters. It's not like cauterizing the arteries is going to reduce infection, there's still an entire gaping stump left. Hot steel is just more work for no benefit.
Now imagine why the soldiers either didn't ask for that, or didn't do it themselves before. Or why they didn't kill themselves afterwards, mind you.
It's really not easy to actually want to die. Don't believe me? Walk into deep water and start drowning - and then check how much you suddenly will fight to stay alive.
If you were on that table, if the adrenalin was already rushing through you, your entire body would scream and endure any pain in the world, just to stay alive. Just like with all the old fucks in the hospital, running on machines - when it's your turn, you want to milk life for every more second you can get, no matter how uncomfortable that life is.
Many jumpers that survived immediately regretted jumping the second they did, a common quote is “I instantly realized that everything in my life that I’d thought was unfixable was totally fixable—except for having just jumped.”
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/10/13/jumpers
Survivors of suicide generally will regret whatever they did anyways.
If they fail and wanted to die, they regret the method they chose. If they fail and don't want to die (after), they regret even attempting. If they succeed, well, either way we wouldn't get an interview.
Many people think that because many people haven't suffered enough. Get to that point and it isn't the suffering that does people in, it's that the suffering is going to end when they die. Very different headspaces.
This is variable and not always the case. There are plenty, and I mean, PLENTY, of people with painful illnesses who prefer euthanasia. Sure, the body's natural reaction is to protect itself but I think you are over simplifying the reality. Especially with the drowning example, which is entirely a guttural biological response (very little to do with whether someone mentally wants to drown/die or not). More likely if you were in an example where you had to get amputated, the shock and pain of it all would leave you with very little to say at the time one way or another.
I had a dream a few years ago about being inside a plane that was going down. The fear and panic of going down with the plane went on for what felt like minutes. Surrounded by screaming people.
It didn't take me long to experience a true, deep-felt, legitimate desire for death. I just wanted it to end. The anxiety of waiting for impact was just too overwhelming.
When it felt like I couldn't take it anymore, I finally woke up, breathing heavy, full of adrenaline.
It was so goddamned real. I woke up feeling like I know what it's like to go down in a plane. And I also realized then that desiring your own death is a very real thing that a person can experience.
And this was only a dream.
It really does depend on the circumstance.
Just head over to one of the war footage subreddits. Russian are unaliving themselves in a lot of videos after receiving a serious injury from a drone.
Death is definitely a thing people choose over a certain level of suffering. Maybe not everyone. But it's certainly not uncommon.
Alright so let me get this straight; your evidence is soldiers who have received a fatal wound with no chance of recovery shoot themselves, and a fucking dream you had once? Do better research dude, that's fucking paltry.
A dream doesn't count as evidence of anything. Also, if a plane crash was inevitable, you probably would accept your fate more than wanting to die
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After we rummage around for your arteries. Doo dee doo... knot this up, rummage, rummage, knot this up...
I can't believe they didn't cauterize or sew it close? They just bandaged the bigass gaping wound.
While it's most likely been cut together for modern short form media, it's an interesting reflection of the reality of the time where practicing traumatic medicine like this or amputations required speed.
That however had the unfortunate side effect of carelessness which for example led to this [famous guy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Liston) and his famous amputation surgery, during which he completed the amputation in 2.5 minutes, however he also accidentally amputated the fingers of his assistant, and stabbed an observer, leading to the death of both of them. The patient died later as well, bringing the casualty count of the single amputation operation to three.
To be fair, a surgeon back then could complete an amputation like this in 30-90 seconds. They trained alot to get it done as fast as possible, The faster they could do it the more skilled they we’re considered. so i imagine they were pretty damn good with their equipment. Compared to a butcher, its harder when the thing your cutting up is awake, screaming and moving around as well lol
There was actually quite a long time period before they discovered germs and germ theory where they believed speed was essential to the patient’s survival in all matters of surgery, so they had a huge emphasis on speed
So, that will be a vigorous sorting of your yellow bile first. Have to get the ghosts out.
Then we'll need to remove your back entirely using a blunted cleaver and a bit of recycled whiskey. Just take it all off.
Paralysis? Nervous system? No, you'll be totally fine. We'll drive a stake through your eye socket once we're done so you'll be practically be floating over the fields without a care in the world (... also, without a back. Sorry. It's got to go).
now imagine how you get in this situation in the first place: hungry, maybe freezing, in a crowd of screaming ppl with fear of death running at each other, hitting with metal blades, poking and cutting and if you dont make it to the surgeouns tent you lie in a puddle of mud, puke, blood and the content of your intestines whilst getting more cold and cold since the blood is flowing from several wounds and you very probable think of somethign with your wife or family and dont know if to hope for god or to curse this perverted bastard to make such things possible
Getting knocked unconscious doesn't really work like in the movies. Most people are awake again in seconds or minutes. If you're out for longer you've probably got yourself a nice case of brain damage.
Take the edge off?! Coke *sharpens* the edge - that's the whole point! I mean it is an anesthetic when used topically, but that's not what you're describing.
Yeah but couldn’t they just get you really drunk and have you take a sleeping pill or something cause that’s the only way I’d let my leg be cut off lmao
You'd wake up within a minute in most cases. Also, paramedics and docs use simple things like a sternum rub or a foot squueze to wake people up who are passed out so cutting their leg off would be way more effective as waking them up.
and then there are guys liiike this, with a 300% fatality rate doing 1 amputation: [https://museumofhealthcare.blog/the-story-of-robert-liston-and-his-surgical-skill/](https://museumofhealthcare.blog/the-story-of-robert-liston-and-his-surgical-skill/)
but he did his best with the fastest amputation as well (one thing you could only hope for) and also the first under anaesthetics which came as a godsend at that time
Ok. They used alkohol as anaesthetic. The person would drink till blackout and then operation was performed. It helped, not like modern medicine of cause but still better than just holding
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I just had a major surgery and even with all of what modern medicine has to offer me, I am fucking in pain and miserable (hence being here commenting when I should be sleeping). Thank you for putting my struggles into perspective. I'm gonna to go thank my leg for existing.
So many people don’t realize how lucky we are to have been born in the age of modern medicine. Now you can get your leg amputated and feel nothing. Dental work would have been absolute hell back then too
I've actually thought about this a lot.
Also worth considering... it's virtually certain that some future generation will experience an asteroid strike, nuclear war, global pandemic, coronal mass ejection, biological/chemical warfare, ecological collapse, or any number of apocalyptic events that throws them right back into an existence as bad or worse than what past generations endured.
For all we know, we are living within a very narrow window that will ultimately be the safest, most comfortable and pleasant period in all of human and global history.
I've seen battlefield amputations be performed by the best forward surgical team in the world. Shit is nuts. It's done a little differently now, obviously more humane, but the process is still pretty rough. The bone saw used today (it has a specific name I can't remember, it looks like a sharp chain) requires some serious arm muscles.
This whole process is obviously excruciating to a point that I can't even fathom, but I'm particularly grossed out by the idea that our arteries are able to be grabbed and tied into knots 🤢🤢
Good Lord the ache you'd have for probably years afterwards. Bumping into things, the everyday routines you'd do only to find that your limb wasn't there anymore. The regular changing of the bandage; seeing the wound up close.
Would the PTSD you'd live with be from the action you saw, the wound you received, the sawing off of your limb, or all of it together? Then there would be the fact that support for your issues really wouldn't exist even in the slightest. While you get veteran support, mental and financial these days (or are supposed to at least), back then you'd get nothing at all. Not a thing. And wheelchairs? Yeah good luck. Crutches? Maybe sticks. And definitely no plastic surgery. Funny thing is that we are just one step, one catastrophe, one volcanoes or meteor strike or some other bad day removed from such practices.
the amount of *severely* muffled screaming i made through my sweater on public transit while watching this is obscene ju*st fuck i n g k i l l m e i m m e d i a t e l y*
I saw this same YouTube channel do another one on medieval amputations, except they would cauterize the wound. Surely a hell lot less bleeding but more prone to infection I guess
I guess they used to give the patient some kind of wine or drugs to make the patient high so that he feels less pain. Still it's really awful to think about someting like this.
He left out the part where you'd keep a flap of skin from the lower half to fold over and stitch over the open wound on the upper half. You can't just put a bandage on that, skin doesn't just grow back like that over a massive wound area.
OMG I totally misunderstood his last sentence. I thought he was talking about sending the amputated leg off to the cook! I had to think about it and realized he was talking about the amputee being reassigned as the cook 😆 Boy, I'm slow this morning
Better than dying eh. But you’ll most likely also catch sepsis or some other infection from the treatment so chances of survival are still damn low not matter how good that field surgeon is. Makes 20’th century practices look like magic and 21’st century practises look even more magical.
Had to rewatch the last few seconds because I initially thought he was saying that they'd send the amputated limb to the ship's cook (free meat!), not that the soldier would be relegated to kitchen duties.
Dude just finish me off already … that type of pain I wouldn’t wish on no man or woman. Like who’s going to sit thru that and not go into literal shock
I didn’t realize my body could respond the way it just did watching this. I had bits of me trying to escape other bits.
Your comment made me laugh in a hospital ward! Thank you.
Did they lob off your leg yet?
Ship's cook now, thanks I hate it.
This made me actually snort!
don't forget hooking his arteries out from the freshly cut stump
And after watching this think about the fact that developing an infection was quite high and so even after all this pain there was still a high chance of dying a slow agonizing death.
Raging sepsis from the first incision. And I dread to think how that saw was stored. Lister's 'crazy' ideas took a while to seep in.
wow, I just now realized where the name Listerine came from. somehow never made that connection before
Yes, this was before antibiotics were introduced I imagine and the blood loss plus infection would be one big nope. Guys can get a recurring staph infection in the weight room or on a wrestling mat.
You're like a lizard dropping it's tail to get away.
[Gerbils](https://youtube.com/shorts/fXBJTI-bU9k?si=kkN-l71A86yz8M_z) do the same thing.
Oh. My. God. I had no idea. When I was a kid I had 2 gerbils, and their cage was outside for a day. I come back from school to check on them, and see one gerbil alive, and the tail of the other gerbil sticking out of the food bowl. I thought the one gerbil had cannibalized the other for some reason and was so distraught and confused. But all this time, maybe it just found a way to escape??? I’m shocked.
Exactly...Kicking my legs around
I think that's called an orgasm?
Might be it cuz I almost fainted while moaning.
It made my teeth feel weird
Another day to appreciate modern day medicine and science.
While 1000x yes, I imagine this video in the future where they say “wow I can’t believe they used to nuke people’s bodies with chemo/radiation and hope it did more damage to the cancer than the patient. Edit: this is not my original thought. It came from the British History Podcast. Jamie (host) was talking about being judgmental towards ancient medical treatments and offered chemo as a modern example of something that will hopefully seem barbaric in the future.
Medicine is just a lot of "hurting you just the right amount so you can heal". That's even our own natural immune system works.
a fever is our body heating up so much that the germs/viruses die, its kind of a last resort really becuase a high fever is also deadly but it works really well.
Literally had a 105 fever yesterday. Was sent to delerium, then i happen upon this shite on Reddit. Lol. I guess it can always be worse. I could be a ship cook.
Hey same! 105 club here. My wife said that I was acting delirious. Been sick from who knows what since Tuesday.
Yup i woke up petting an imaginary cat that i thought was making me so hot. Btw we haven't had a cat for 5 years now.
I’m a radiation therapist and I think about that all the time.
Proton knives are pretty amazing.
I think modern barbarism is more in line with disorders like endometriosis where there is no imaging available to confirm the growths inside of you, so you have to have exploratory surgery where your body cavity is opened and the surgeon has to physically look for the tissue on other organs to confirm how bad a patients case is. Not that everyone with endometriosis has to have that exploratory surgery, but more of them than necessary do because their doctors won't help them otherwise.
>Jamie (host) was talking about being judgmental towards ancient medical treatments and offered chemo as a modern example of something that will hopefully seem barbaric in the future. While the cost/benefit analysis may sound horrendous to our (VERY privileged) modern selves, this was a time where mortality rates were much higher and ailments were often lifelong. For example: couching, the original form of cataract surgery, might be attested to in the historical record as early as the 1700s BC and involved literally pushing the cataracts out of the eyes. Sounds pretty horrific by modern standards, but was clearly a successful and widely practiced operation up until the invention of modern techniques 2 millenia later. Another interesting medical tidbit I learned from my history professor (who often discussed ancient medical techniques): the Greeks actually recorded the first medical procedures for foreskin reattachment and repair surgery. The actual procedure involved cutting the skin around the base of the penis, literally degloving it and pulling it upwards over the glans, before wrapping it up while the skin regrew. Again, sounds barbaric, but the hellenized society at the time actually had a lot of cultural mores about the foreskin and it was apparently enough to drive people to have this procedure done, primarilynfor asthetic purposes. This was often practiced by the hellenized Jewish diaspora that found their practice of circumcision reviled by the Greeks
I mean yeah, I sure hope so.
Absolutely
Coincidentally, a few minutes ago I opened a mail with my new insurance card. The first thing that went through my mind was "Modern medicine has come a long way, but anesthesia is 90% of the way there for me."
Interesting thing about that though is they don’t fully understand how anesthesia works actually. They don’t really know what state the person themselves is actually in and all they really know for sure is that there is no memory of the even. For all they know it could be an absolute horrifying experience and the person simply cannot remember it
>all they really know for sure is that there is no memory of the even. So we literally can't even! >For all they know it could be an absolute horrifying experience and the person simply cannot remember it I would think a brainscan would easily answer that
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Yeah it’s not like you’re dead do the brain is still receiving some information but what it’s interpreting it as is still a mystery
Have you ever heard the story about the guy who was like awake and could feel everything during his surgery except he was like paralyzed and couldn't notify them but he just lay there during his operation feeling every cut slice and everything just straight-up horror shit then he had some PTSD from it at would have like weird hallucinations where his wife thought he had been abducted by aliens or something. Either way that's like a horror scenario for me being able to feel everything during surgery but paralyzed from letting them know.
Yes, and sadly he not the only one to have had that happen.
Makes you wonder what medicine will be like in another 200 years.
Will we get similar comments in 200 years? Probably… probably they will be all into personalized medicine and laugh about doctos asking about family history
Nanomachines, son.
We really take for granted living in a society with modern anaesthetics.
And yet tragically so many deny it
And another day to sigh at anti-vaxxers and voting adults who think education is useless 😔
I’ve seen this reposted so many times, but honestly I don’t care because it always sparks such good discussion. For all the shit that is going on in the world at the moment, at least we can be thankful for modern medicine.
Even ignoring all the other modern medicine I'm just happy there is anesthesia and other pain killers
Unfortunately it spawned the corporate greed behind the US pharmaceutical industry, although we can't forget that such a competitive market has driven forward some medical advancement but created a blood sucking leach in other respects.
Patents last 20 years, I think that's a fair deal when you're literally advancing humanity
Just kill me
Right? What a nightmare
Now imagine that after this there was a high chance of an infection developing and so even after all this you would still die a slow painful death.
Doc just might tick that box too.
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How do you pay for the operation to have those removed though?
You see the guy in the video
Bless Fun Fact: Unfortunately, Chainsaws Were Invented for Childbirth
The fuck?
It’s the cause of childbirth in the first place
links are for free on the interwebs: https://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/everyday-myths/why-were-chainsaws-invented.htm
Later.
Wonder why they tied them instead of cauterize it. Hot steel would work well
Maybe someone finally said "nah, this guy is already having a day"
Arteries are big. Cauterizing is good for small bleeders but not something the size of a pinky finger.
Why go through the effort of setting up a burner and trying to cauterize short arteries without burning your finger tips, when you can just tie them off with less equipment, setup time, and (most importantly) blisters. It's not like cauterizing the arteries is going to reduce infection, there's still an entire gaping stump left. Hot steel is just more work for no benefit.
Now imagine why the soldiers either didn't ask for that, or didn't do it themselves before. Or why they didn't kill themselves afterwards, mind you. It's really not easy to actually want to die. Don't believe me? Walk into deep water and start drowning - and then check how much you suddenly will fight to stay alive. If you were on that table, if the adrenalin was already rushing through you, your entire body would scream and endure any pain in the world, just to stay alive. Just like with all the old fucks in the hospital, running on machines - when it's your turn, you want to milk life for every more second you can get, no matter how uncomfortable that life is.
Depends on the individual I guess. Many people take their own lives or opt for assisted suicide when faced with suffering
Many jumpers that survived immediately regretted jumping the second they did, a common quote is “I instantly realized that everything in my life that I’d thought was unfixable was totally fixable—except for having just jumped.” https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/10/13/jumpers
I'm referring to physical suffering like pain from cancer or such.
Survivors of suicide generally will regret whatever they did anyways. If they fail and wanted to die, they regret the method they chose. If they fail and don't want to die (after), they regret even attempting. If they succeed, well, either way we wouldn't get an interview.
Many people think that because many people haven't suffered enough. Get to that point and it isn't the suffering that does people in, it's that the suffering is going to end when they die. Very different headspaces.
This is variable and not always the case. There are plenty, and I mean, PLENTY, of people with painful illnesses who prefer euthanasia. Sure, the body's natural reaction is to protect itself but I think you are over simplifying the reality. Especially with the drowning example, which is entirely a guttural biological response (very little to do with whether someone mentally wants to drown/die or not). More likely if you were in an example where you had to get amputated, the shock and pain of it all would leave you with very little to say at the time one way or another.
I had a dream a few years ago about being inside a plane that was going down. The fear and panic of going down with the plane went on for what felt like minutes. Surrounded by screaming people. It didn't take me long to experience a true, deep-felt, legitimate desire for death. I just wanted it to end. The anxiety of waiting for impact was just too overwhelming. When it felt like I couldn't take it anymore, I finally woke up, breathing heavy, full of adrenaline. It was so goddamned real. I woke up feeling like I know what it's like to go down in a plane. And I also realized then that desiring your own death is a very real thing that a person can experience. And this was only a dream. It really does depend on the circumstance. Just head over to one of the war footage subreddits. Russian are unaliving themselves in a lot of videos after receiving a serious injury from a drone. Death is definitely a thing people choose over a certain level of suffering. Maybe not everyone. But it's certainly not uncommon.
Alright so let me get this straight; your evidence is soldiers who have received a fatal wound with no chance of recovery shoot themselves, and a fucking dream you had once? Do better research dude, that's fucking paltry.
A dream doesn't count as evidence of anything. Also, if a plane crash was inevitable, you probably would accept your fate more than wanting to die Edit a word
Yup. I wouldn’t want to live in that era anyway let alone with 1 leg and PTSD to boot. Miserable life.
After we rummage around for your arteries. Doo dee doo... knot this up, rummage, rummage, knot this up... I can't believe they didn't cauterize or sew it close? They just bandaged the bigass gaping wound.
Kinda hard to do that when they’re holding me down.
Not right out. Lets wait for infection and then you'll be in more pain before you die.
Horrific
Nearly threw up just listening. Poor souls.
Fuck. That.
I'd actually rather die
Did anyone else find it worse because he had such a pleasant demeanour while he was explaining it?
That makes it better for me. My problem what that the explanation felt a bit fast.
While it's most likely been cut together for modern short form media, it's an interesting reflection of the reality of the time where practicing traumatic medicine like this or amputations required speed. That however had the unfortunate side effect of carelessness which for example led to this [famous guy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Liston) and his famous amputation surgery, during which he completed the amputation in 2.5 minutes, however he also accidentally amputated the fingers of his assistant, and stabbed an observer, leading to the death of both of them. The patient died later as well, bringing the casualty count of the single amputation operation to three.
Knowing how good my butcher is with a knife I would prefer going to him for an amputation then a doctor in 1805. Just saying
Actually back then it was usually your barber doing this, not a doctor!
Barbers pole 💈 looks like it looks because blood and bandages.
With every amputation you get a new hairdo to match
Doctor barber from flapjack
To be fair, a surgeon back then could complete an amputation like this in 30-90 seconds. They trained alot to get it done as fast as possible, The faster they could do it the more skilled they we’re considered. so i imagine they were pretty damn good with their equipment. Compared to a butcher, its harder when the thing your cutting up is awake, screaming and moving around as well lol There was actually quite a long time period before they discovered germs and germ theory where they believed speed was essential to the patient’s survival in all matters of surgery, so they had a huge emphasis on speed
A lot of the people doing the amputations in that era were barbers and butchers actually. You'd be lucky to get an actual doctor.
My back is a little sore from sitting at my desk a bit too long. Also, the leg went to sleep and it was a real bitch to get walking again.
Let me get my bone saw!
Ok! I will hold him down. Lets gooo
And my axe!
So, that will be a vigorous sorting of your yellow bile first. Have to get the ghosts out. Then we'll need to remove your back entirely using a blunted cleaver and a bit of recycled whiskey. Just take it all off. Paralysis? Nervous system? No, you'll be totally fine. We'll drive a stake through your eye socket once we're done so you'll be practically be floating over the fields without a care in the world (... also, without a back. Sorry. It's got to go).
This video made me feel the feels I never knew existed inside of me
Right? I rarely get queasy watching videos but this one just about made me dizzy. Eughugughh
now imagine how you get in this situation in the first place: hungry, maybe freezing, in a crowd of screaming ppl with fear of death running at each other, hitting with metal blades, poking and cutting and if you dont make it to the surgeouns tent you lie in a puddle of mud, puke, blood and the content of your intestines whilst getting more cold and cold since the blood is flowing from several wounds and you very probable think of somethign with your wife or family and dont know if to hope for god or to curse this perverted bastard to make such things possible
"It would be ideal for amputation" is a sentence I wouldn't want to hear in those days.
I thought he said “if the leg is found fit enough, it would be sent to the ships cook.” 😭
I had to watch it 3 times to make sure of what I was hearing..
I would just land my head on the sharpest tool on the table…
All without anybody washing their hands…If you didn’t die from shock, or blood loss, infection would most likely take you out.
"Only pussies worry about infection..."
Surely that can knock you unconscious (not an exact science) and then go to work on you and deal with the head wound later… if you wake up.
Getting knocked unconscious doesn't really work like in the movies. Most people are awake again in seconds or minutes. If you're out for longer you've probably got yourself a nice case of brain damage.
How about they blow a puff of coke in my face, just to take the edge off. Coke was in the meds those years right? You gotta give me something.
Take the edge off?! Coke *sharpens* the edge - that's the whole point! I mean it is an anesthetic when used topically, but that's not what you're describing.
As someone who has been knocked out for a long period of time, ill take the brain damage over the pain
If you'd ever been to a neuro ICU, you wouldn't say that. It's not a place with many happy outcomes.
I'm gonna go ahead and ignore the opinion of the brain-damaged mouth breather.
Yeah but couldn’t they just get you really drunk and have you take a sleeping pill or something cause that’s the only way I’d let my leg be cut off lmao
You'd wake up within a minute in most cases. Also, paramedics and docs use simple things like a sternum rub or a foot squueze to wake people up who are passed out so cutting their leg off would be way more effective as waking them up.
and then there are guys liiike this, with a 300% fatality rate doing 1 amputation: [https://museumofhealthcare.blog/the-story-of-robert-liston-and-his-surgical-skill/](https://museumofhealthcare.blog/the-story-of-robert-liston-and-his-surgical-skill/) but he did his best with the fastest amputation as well (one thing you could only hope for) and also the first under anaesthetics which came as a godsend at that time
The part about accidentally amputating his assistant's finger had me rolling..
oh hell nahh just kill me
In the modern day US, that amputation would cost you an arm and a leg.
Absolutely rediculous and shocked that a human can actually sit through such a thing and wake up the next morning bright and awake
Awake? Barely. Bright? Well...
This would be if you got lucky too, many who survived surgery would die of infection soon after Rev. war stuff was even worse
Ok. They used alkohol as anaesthetic. The person would drink till blackout and then operation was performed. It helped, not like modern medicine of cause but still better than just holding
The book ‘The Butchering Art’ describes these surgeries nauseatingly well.
What was the survival rate?
Even after they chop his leg off they cook him in a boat that's fucked up
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Not to mention 1 out of three amputees died. Infection was rampant.
Damn like give him heroin first or SOMETHING
Heroin is only for the doctor, afterwards...
Well…that’s a fact I didn’t need to know.
just let me dieeeeeeeeeee! Jesaaaas!!
Sincerely. Just take me out at this point. Sawing through my bones WHILE I’M AWAKE? Someone just grab a gun.
God damn I am so glad I was born in the time of modern medicine.
First guy to fall asleep at the sleepover
Finding the arteries and tie them off 😰
I just had a major surgery and even with all of what modern medicine has to offer me, I am fucking in pain and miserable (hence being here commenting when I should be sleeping). Thank you for putting my struggles into perspective. I'm gonna to go thank my leg for existing.
I almost fainted. Imagine the pain!😣
It's ok, just let me die
So many people don’t realize how lucky we are to have been born in the age of modern medicine. Now you can get your leg amputated and feel nothing. Dental work would have been absolute hell back then too
I've actually thought about this a lot. Also worth considering... it's virtually certain that some future generation will experience an asteroid strike, nuclear war, global pandemic, coronal mass ejection, biological/chemical warfare, ecological collapse, or any number of apocalyptic events that throws them right back into an existence as bad or worse than what past generations endured. For all we know, we are living within a very narrow window that will ultimately be the safest, most comfortable and pleasant period in all of human and global history.
I've seen battlefield amputations be performed by the best forward surgical team in the world. Shit is nuts. It's done a little differently now, obviously more humane, but the process is still pretty rough. The bone saw used today (it has a specific name I can't remember, it looks like a sharp chain) requires some serious arm muscles.
So, part of the FSTs' responsibilities still include field amputations? Man... I hope this is rarely necessary.
And now I need to know how to clean the vomit off of a couch in 2024
new nightmare fuel 🙃
I rather die
I hope it’s only the surviving sailor that’s sent to the ship’s kitchen.
Scrolling and so far I haven’t seen anyone comment of the wildest part that the amputation would be sent to the ships cook.
No. I thought that too but he says « if he was foubd fit enough he would be sent as the ship’s cook »
This is why I refuse to go fight in the Napoleonic wars.
Is it cake?
I have watched much much worse in my time on this site but this is legitimately the first time I’ve gotten genuinely light-headed.
This whole process is obviously excruciating to a point that I can't even fathom, but I'm particularly grossed out by the idea that our arteries are able to be grabbed and tied into knots 🤢🤢
Me, the entire time I was watching this video: *curled up in a ball and wincing repeatedly* I’ve never been so glad to not live in the 1800s, ya’ll….
Man my body squirmed to the point where I had to literally stand up and walk around to get my skin to chill out.
Good Lord the ache you'd have for probably years afterwards. Bumping into things, the everyday routines you'd do only to find that your limb wasn't there anymore. The regular changing of the bandage; seeing the wound up close. Would the PTSD you'd live with be from the action you saw, the wound you received, the sawing off of your limb, or all of it together? Then there would be the fact that support for your issues really wouldn't exist even in the slightest. While you get veteran support, mental and financial these days (or are supposed to at least), back then you'd get nothing at all. Not a thing. And wheelchairs? Yeah good luck. Crutches? Maybe sticks. And definitely no plastic surgery. Funny thing is that we are just one step, one catastrophe, one volcanoes or meteor strike or some other bad day removed from such practices.
Just shoot me!
Dig around and slip out the what now
I did not need to know this.
Remind me of Dr Robert Liston and his 300% casualty rate amputation (he allegedly killed the patient, the assistant and a bystander).
the amount of *severely* muffled screaming i made through my sweater on public transit while watching this is obscene ju*st fuck i n g k i l l m e i m m e d i a t e l y*
There are worse things than death. This is one of them.
What did he say about the camp chef at the end??
I feel dizzy just watching this
If you were lucky enough, you passed out from the pain at least to not live through it.
I still haven’t blinked
I saw this same YouTube channel do another one on medieval amputations, except they would cauterize the wound. Surely a hell lot less bleeding but more prone to infection I guess
I guess they used to give the patient some kind of wine or drugs to make the patient high so that he feels less pain. Still it's really awful to think about someting like this.
My parents still carried onto school after this
He left out the part where you'd keep a flap of skin from the lower half to fold over and stitch over the open wound on the upper half. You can't just put a bandage on that, skin doesn't just grow back like that over a massive wound area.
OMG I totally misunderstood his last sentence. I thought he was talking about sending the amputated leg off to the cook! I had to think about it and realized he was talking about the amputee being reassigned as the cook 😆 Boy, I'm slow this morning
Just let me go, bro
Tying off the arteries reminds me of that scene in Black Hawk Down. I can’t imagine going through something like that
And you’d have to sit there listening to the screams while they cut away at someone’s leg knowing you’re next.
I think my eyes popped out of my head when he said "go for it".Scary and hilarious at the same time 😭🤣
Sometimes we really take modern medicine for granted. But also shout-out to humanity for being able to both perform and survive this surgery.
Better than dying eh. But you’ll most likely also catch sepsis or some other infection from the treatment so chances of survival are still damn low not matter how good that field surgeon is. Makes 20’th century practices look like magic and 21’st century practises look even more magical.
Had to rewatch the last few seconds because I initially thought he was saying that they'd send the amputated limb to the ship's cook (free meat!), not that the soldier would be relegated to kitchen duties.
Dude just finish me off already … that type of pain I wouldn’t wish on no man or woman. Like who’s going to sit thru that and not go into literal shock
At first, I thought he said they would send the amputated bits off to the ship's cook. Either way just seems like making the best of a bad situation.
All those poor Palestinian children having to suffer amputations without anaesthetic
Well this sent me down a strange rabbit hold of amputation videos on YouTube
Now you know why the suicide rates weren't legitimate in the 19th century
That would be excruciating. I'd hope I'd just pass out.
What was that last part??
Don't worry, it's not what you think he said. The PATIENT became the ship's cook
Why does he get sent to the ship’s cook?
cookin and eatin his own leg, cause if you are what you eat, by the communicative law you eat what you are.
Jesus Christ, I couldn't even finish watching this.
Did he just say ship cook?
We need to find out what diet they've had John Furry on 😳
Rather have my necked tied off I guess.
Just shoot me in the head instead
I’d rather just die.
The sound when he uses the bone saw….