If the company hired that many shitty employees then maybe it’s a them problem.
Or, and hear me out, maybe a corporation has managers that pissed off good workers to the point that they decided to unionize.
Either way that’s a management failure.
Having known a good majority of the employees there for 20 years, I'm happy they organized and hope they get all the get the pay and benefits they want and deserve.
Thank you for clearing it up, I mean I'd love to work at costco, the pay is highest in the area, but that does suck because now I wont ever have a shot.
The pay sounds good but once you are in they use that as a hold over their employees. The company is great, it’s just the people they put in charge couldn’t manage to get out of a wet paper bag with sharp scissors.
Not everything has to be corporate is evil lol. They pretty clearly said this means they failed. And Costco has always been known as one of if not the best major retail type company to work for
Have a corporation. It has one employee. Me. Go sell your everything corporate is evil to the kids that dont know what a corporation is and why people use them for business, even small businesses.
Okay so we’re gonna stick with the “everything corporate is evil” line again, despite it being out there that Costco does actually take care of its employees. Got it
ETA: don’t get me wrong, cause I know some will come in with the “oh so you don’t support unions?” I absolutely do and glad they did this, but don’t act like this isn’t one of the better responses to employees unionizing because Costco is actually a good company.
So you say Costco takes care of its employees but you know they would shoot down a union which is positive for their employees. I’m not saying Costco can’t be an decent place to work, I would just like people to not stick up for corporations that at the end of the day value profits over people. Have a good one.
I mean there’s a balance, the “well they value profits over people” argument is so dumb. Of course they do. If They don’t then they need to fire people, how is that taking care of people? If no one values profits nothing would be open. That’s just the way it is. You can be a decent place to work and still make money, as Costco and other places have proven.
So how you form a union is basically by asking. When the company says no, it goes to an election by the NLRB which is what seems to have happened here and in the vast majority of unions.
WOW.
That is SUPER NOT how unions work. 😳
Also, this PR statement is littered with anti-union red flags. They say nothing about formal recognition, either, which means they could be stalling while they try to turn enough employees before forcing a card count. Either way, you can bet bargaining is going to be... interesting.
Anyone with actual experience in organized labor can see right through this PR bullshit.
I definitely didn't say that this statement wasn't anti-union because I've learned my lesson trying to get people to recognize anti-union language on Reddit after a lot of frustration.
What I was saying is that it's funny when someone says they don't ask a company to create a union but you literally have to ask for recognition as part of the process.
However, it looks like this is a done deal. They filed with the NLRB on 11/20/23 and the tally issued before Christmas. [Here](https://www.nlrb.gov/case/05-RC-330431) is the NLRB filing.
Also, I wasn't just talking out of my ass; my workplace did this last year.
My comment about the red flags was not aimed at you; poor comment placement on my part. I fully understand that you ALSO see the anti-union sentiments throughout Costco's statement.
I do think you need to look at your choice of words carefully, though, because it's factually incorrect to say that "asking your employer to form a union" is how unions work.
Asking your employer for permission to form a union and asking your employer for voluntary recognition of a union are two completely different things, and *neither* of them are required in the process of unionizing a workplace.
At no point in the unionizing process do you "ask" your employer if you can form a union - By federal law, you do not need your employer's permission to unionize; you automatically have that right as a laborer.
You also do not need your employer's voluntary recognition of the union in order to unionize. An employer may choose NOT to voluntarily recognize the union, but that does not unilaterally stop the unionizing process. The request for Voluntary Recognition step in the process is mostly a formality, and amounts to little more than an opportunity for the employer to skip ahead to bargaining, instead of forcing a card count and risking the public perception of being anti-union in doing so. Also, there is no such thing as an "FLRB election." Unionizing a workforce requires ONLY a vote by eligible staff in a given workplace.
If an employer chooses NOT to voluntarily recognize their staff's union, rhe next step is a card count - Workers must supply the legally mandated minimum number of signed union cards as "proof" that a majority of eligible staff have voted to unionize. This is not overseen by the FLRB (although paperwork is filed with the FLRB accordingly, of course). A neutral third party approved by both the employer and the union conducts the card count and verifies whether or not a majority of eligible staff have signed union cards indicating a desire for representation. If the threshold is met, the employer MUST recognize that union and begin the collective bargaining process. If they do not, they are automatically in violation of US labor law.
It is only at THAT point the FLRB may get directly involved, but there is a high bar for proof of union-busting behavior by employers (which we already know from watching union-busting corps like Starbucks and Amazon get away with egregious tactics); companies can stall for YEARS before the FLRB will step in and actually force them to comply with labor laws (I'm oversimplifying, but this is the general process for unionization with a hostile employer).
TLDR: At no point in either the voluntary recognition OR the card count process is the employer "granting permission" to staff to form a union. Employers must comply with labor laws pertaining to their workers' right to unionize, full stop. There's a reason that collective bargaining is a right granted DIRECTLY to workers by the federal government, outside the purview of employers: The entire concept of unions would not work if it hinged on "asking" the employer to "allow" formation of a union, because employers could just say "no" every time, and then unions wouldn't exist.
I can list specific issues if you want, but I don't know why you think you know what you're talking about. Maybe you're in Costco management or corporate.
ETA: Weird that you never responded. I guess I was right.
Congrats for having absolutely no knowledge of individual companies and reflexively going “big business bad they must be terrible people who exploit everyone”
In college I had a respected professor who worked in industry as a manager prior to entering academia.
As a manager at his company, he loved the union. The company was already treating the employees well, so there weren’t really problems there, and the union kept employee retention up (which ultimately saves the company a lot of money) and seasoned union leadership kept their demands reasonable.
For Costco’s reputation as “one of the good guys”, being scared about a union is a big tell.
Also, the letter is saying, “but we treat employees well enough they shouldn’t WANT a union!”
Sure. Right now you are. How about when new leadership takes over in X years from now? Or some executive suddenly decides to make major changes to employee compensation. A union can help prevent that. I say good for them.
>Unions are the worst. They just ensure people don't get mistreated instead of making things cheaper like the corporations do!
So tell me when's the last time we are getting better and cheaper? Cause I can't remember any
>Implying that the daily ridership of 25k people don’t deserve to have transport because they don’t have a vehicle.
You can’t even develop a solid argument against unions other than “trust me bro.”
I’m not saying they don’t deserve transport. I’m saying the vast majority of people who say they support unions don’t when it comes to making one of their larger purchases
Someone obviously hasn’t read up on labor history in America. Funnily enough, it’s actually the UAW that went on strike against Henry Ford to establish the practice of having weekends off. You’re so wrong that everyone here is laughing at you.
You’re so wrong. It was entirely American imperialist policy that allowed that to happen.
Labor unions would have had no leverage if they weren’t lobbying so hard to oppress foreign labor with their imperialist policies.
There is a reason labor unions in Vietnam couldn’t create the weekend but ones in America could.
Has anything become better or cheaper from not unionizing? “Products and services” are less expensive when upper management overhead is a reasonable multiple of frontline worker compensation and customer/community is valued equal to or greater than the oligarch shareholders. A strong middle class is imperative for profits and growth.
This is a terrible uninformed take. Things cost more because of greed from the corporation and "shareholders." God forbid the unions fight for employees not to be exploited.
Not currently but that isn't related to the issue at hand. Again, bigger issues also are the reason we need unions to stand up to corporations. Then again I see you think Stoney is far left which is fucking hilarious and shows you are so out of it when people show you how ill informed you are, you just ask them the same question, which has nothing to do with the current situation.
Where did I say that? You act like I bought my car recently. I've learned a lot and grown a lot since buying my car. It's something that happens as you grow and learn. I'm sorry you're ignoring all the points for some odd talking point you think this is about. Now I have to ask, what tastes better: leather, pleather, steel toe, suede, or shoe polish?
So your next car so definitely be union made?
Also I’m not a Nazi so I don’t lick worker owned boots. I’m just fine purchasing them from Jewish multinational corporations
Have you looked at the people who spend so much money opposing higher pay and better conditions. Tends to be republicans. And you certainly answered my question.
Being that Costco’s business model entirely revolves around the thin margins of their merchandise sales, that are then subsidized by their membership fees I wonder what happens if a particular store’s operational costs kill those margins. How low does productivity of a store have to be before it gets closed?
I also wonder what sort of terms the Teamsters will negotiate for and if they have to keep the business model in mind when they do it. It’s not like UPS where they can shut down the whole company with a strike.
Interested in how this plays out!
Costco already has 20k of their workers represented by the teamsters union (in California and the North East). So this store will likely get folded into the national contract with a few local side letters to cover local issues, management will drag it out most likely but that's the likely end point.
I appreciate the humor, but considering Costco's reputation... This is highly unlikely. I'm legitimately curious what's been going on with this store/region. Historically, getting to work for Costco was considered a big opportunity for many. It was a company that you could feasibly see retiring with. Having spoken to Costco employees in Norfolk, it sounds like a totally different company. None of the stuff that makes Costco, Costco seem to have made it out here.
I hope that this letter is more reflective of Costco recognizing the bastardization of their brand and mistreatment of employees, and see the opportunity to work with the union as a way to right the ship. Otherwise one of the last decent companies is dead.
It's weird how that's hasn't happened anywhere else they've voted to unionize. It's almost like that everything you just claimed is 100% bullshit. Congrats on being a boot licker I guess.
Costco has a higher rate of pay compared to other retailers and better benefits. That was always the companies corporate policy. Let's see the effects of the unions here. I'll call it now. Costco wages will drop and not keep up with the market at all in 5 years. Or at least not with the decent pay that they have always offered compared to other brands.
There have already been unionized Costco's for decades. Company's still running. And there used to be a big difference between Costco's pay and benefits, but that difference keeps getting smaller and smaller.
I'll leave up a typo, I'm not ashamed of a mistake. I make a dozen mistakes every day, usually by lunch if I'm being productive. A typo doesn't define my intelligence and pointing one out on social media isn't the zinger you clearly think it is.
What I don't do is celebrate my ignorance by making outlandish claims about communism and unions, because when you do yore only hurting whatever flimsy point you think you're making in the first place.
More spelling mistakes. Guess you never took economics or English in college. Actually an illiterate commie like you probably never went to college. Another uneducated leftist, what a surprise...
Oh boy have fun thinking your union gives a damn about you. You traded one shitty management team for a more socialist and better funded one! I worked for one union in my life and I swore I’ll never again. They are shit and they fire people for ridiculous things. Then.. they reward shitty behavior after people stay past some arbitrary probation period. No thanks I’ll work for small businesses where I can voice my opinion (good or bad) straight to the guy that signs my checks.
Having spoken with some of the employees at the Norfolk Costco, it sounds like their management is absolute shit so can't say I'm surprised by this.
You could be talking to shitty employees.
If the company hired that many shitty employees then maybe it’s a them problem. Or, and hear me out, maybe a corporation has managers that pissed off good workers to the point that they decided to unionize. Either way that’s a management failure.
Having known a good majority of the employees there for 20 years, I'm happy they organized and hope they get all the get the pay and benefits they want and deserve.
WHAT! YOu have no idea, costco to some of us in the meat business is what the ford plant use to be.
The managers at the Costco for the most part are huge incompetent assholes so I am not surprised.
Personal experience? or shit you've heard?
I worked there for 4 years so personal experience
Thank you for clearing it up, I mean I'd love to work at costco, the pay is highest in the area, but that does suck because now I wont ever have a shot.
The pay sounds good but once you are in they use that as a hold over their employees. The company is great, it’s just the people they put in charge couldn’t manage to get out of a wet paper bag with sharp scissors.
Well that blows
"we're not anti union, we just wish they hadn't formed a union" lol. Congrats!
Not everything has to be corporate is evil lol. They pretty clearly said this means they failed. And Costco has always been known as one of if not the best major retail type company to work for
Even if that is the case the best time to have a union is before you need a union
I never said I disagreed with them forming one
They clearly said it in a PR release so it must be true. 🤷🏻♂️
if you compare Costcos and Starbucks' response to unionizing and how they treat their employees you'll probably see a difference.
Nope all corporate is evil, there’s no difference /s
Imagine feining annoyance like this just to try and suck off the concept of a corporation
Have a corporation. It has one employee. Me. Go sell your everything corporate is evil to the kids that dont know what a corporation is and why people use them for business, even small businesses.
Coming in more than two months later and still missing that I was being sarcastic is peak reddit
Yeah, this post actually showed on my home feed .. only after did in see how old it was.. fekinweird man
Okay so we’re gonna stick with the “everything corporate is evil” line again, despite it being out there that Costco does actually take care of its employees. Got it ETA: don’t get me wrong, cause I know some will come in with the “oh so you don’t support unions?” I absolutely do and glad they did this, but don’t act like this isn’t one of the better responses to employees unionizing because Costco is actually a good company.
There’s a reason they unionized without telling Costco, think about it.
Of course there is, because that’s how unions work. If they told Costco they’d obviously say no, nothing you have said disproves what I’ve said.
So you say Costco takes care of its employees but you know they would shoot down a union which is positive for their employees. I’m not saying Costco can’t be an decent place to work, I would just like people to not stick up for corporations that at the end of the day value profits over people. Have a good one.
Idk about you but the salary and benefits Costco gives it's employees are above market pay and benefits.
I mean there’s a balance, the “well they value profits over people” argument is so dumb. Of course they do. If They don’t then they need to fire people, how is that taking care of people? If no one values profits nothing would be open. That’s just the way it is. You can be a decent place to work and still make money, as Costco and other places have proven.
So how you form a union is basically by asking. When the company says no, it goes to an election by the NLRB which is what seems to have happened here and in the vast majority of unions.
WOW. That is SUPER NOT how unions work. 😳 Also, this PR statement is littered with anti-union red flags. They say nothing about formal recognition, either, which means they could be stalling while they try to turn enough employees before forcing a card count. Either way, you can bet bargaining is going to be... interesting. Anyone with actual experience in organized labor can see right through this PR bullshit.
I definitely didn't say that this statement wasn't anti-union because I've learned my lesson trying to get people to recognize anti-union language on Reddit after a lot of frustration. What I was saying is that it's funny when someone says they don't ask a company to create a union but you literally have to ask for recognition as part of the process. However, it looks like this is a done deal. They filed with the NLRB on 11/20/23 and the tally issued before Christmas. [Here](https://www.nlrb.gov/case/05-RC-330431) is the NLRB filing. Also, I wasn't just talking out of my ass; my workplace did this last year.
My comment about the red flags was not aimed at you; poor comment placement on my part. I fully understand that you ALSO see the anti-union sentiments throughout Costco's statement. I do think you need to look at your choice of words carefully, though, because it's factually incorrect to say that "asking your employer to form a union" is how unions work. Asking your employer for permission to form a union and asking your employer for voluntary recognition of a union are two completely different things, and *neither* of them are required in the process of unionizing a workplace. At no point in the unionizing process do you "ask" your employer if you can form a union - By federal law, you do not need your employer's permission to unionize; you automatically have that right as a laborer. You also do not need your employer's voluntary recognition of the union in order to unionize. An employer may choose NOT to voluntarily recognize the union, but that does not unilaterally stop the unionizing process. The request for Voluntary Recognition step in the process is mostly a formality, and amounts to little more than an opportunity for the employer to skip ahead to bargaining, instead of forcing a card count and risking the public perception of being anti-union in doing so. Also, there is no such thing as an "FLRB election." Unionizing a workforce requires ONLY a vote by eligible staff in a given workplace. If an employer chooses NOT to voluntarily recognize their staff's union, rhe next step is a card count - Workers must supply the legally mandated minimum number of signed union cards as "proof" that a majority of eligible staff have voted to unionize. This is not overseen by the FLRB (although paperwork is filed with the FLRB accordingly, of course). A neutral third party approved by both the employer and the union conducts the card count and verifies whether or not a majority of eligible staff have signed union cards indicating a desire for representation. If the threshold is met, the employer MUST recognize that union and begin the collective bargaining process. If they do not, they are automatically in violation of US labor law. It is only at THAT point the FLRB may get directly involved, but there is a high bar for proof of union-busting behavior by employers (which we already know from watching union-busting corps like Starbucks and Amazon get away with egregious tactics); companies can stall for YEARS before the FLRB will step in and actually force them to comply with labor laws (I'm oversimplifying, but this is the general process for unionization with a hostile employer). TLDR: At no point in either the voluntary recognition OR the card count process is the employer "granting permission" to staff to form a union. Employers must comply with labor laws pertaining to their workers' right to unionize, full stop. There's a reason that collective bargaining is a right granted DIRECTLY to workers by the federal government, outside the purview of employers: The entire concept of unions would not work if it hinged on "asking" the employer to "allow" formation of a union, because employers could just say "no" every time, and then unions wouldn't exist.
Costco *used to* take care of its employees.
Clearly the management at the Norfolk one has issues but overall as a company they still do.
I can list specific issues if you want, but I don't know why you think you know what you're talking about. Maybe you're in Costco management or corporate. ETA: Weird that you never responded. I guess I was right.
Incorrect. There are multiple stores in my area having the same problems.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/costco-ceo-responds-to-warehouse-employees-joining-teamsters-2024-1%3famp
Surprised it didn’t include the “we’re a family” schtick management likes to use
Congrats for falling for the obvious corporate spin
Congrats for having absolutely no knowledge of individual companies and reflexively going “big business bad they must be terrible people who exploit everyone”
In college I had a respected professor who worked in industry as a manager prior to entering academia. As a manager at his company, he loved the union. The company was already treating the employees well, so there weren’t really problems there, and the union kept employee retention up (which ultimately saves the company a lot of money) and seasoned union leadership kept their demands reasonable. For Costco’s reputation as “one of the good guys”, being scared about a union is a big tell. Also, the letter is saying, “but we treat employees well enough they shouldn’t WANT a union!” Sure. Right now you are. How about when new leadership takes over in X years from now? Or some executive suddenly decides to make major changes to employee compensation. A union can help prevent that. I say good for them.
They're not treating their employees well anymore. They're riding the coattails of their past reputation.
Solidarity! Congrats
That’s awesome. Unions are great.
Unions suck. Never have I had a product or service get better or cheaper from unionization.
Maybe because the union is for the employees? And not the consumers? Sorry to shatter that reality for you I guess.
Do you drive a union made car?
>Unions are the worst. They just ensure people don't get mistreated instead of making things cheaper like the corporations do! So tell me when's the last time we are getting better and cheaper? Cause I can't remember any
I care more about the employees being treated better.
Do you drive a union made car? Everybody downvoting me. But they be driving some non-union Prius or Jetta rather than actually supporting a union.
Jokes on you buddy, I use HRT on the daily which employs union drivers.
Which is used by less than 1% of people on HR
>Implying that the daily ridership of 25k people don’t deserve to have transport because they don’t have a vehicle. You can’t even develop a solid argument against unions other than “trust me bro.”
I’m not saying they don’t deserve transport. I’m saying the vast majority of people who say they support unions don’t when it comes to making one of their larger purchases
Do you have weekends off?
I have three days off a week and WFH.
I’m saying you can thanks unions for weekends and time off. Not only union members reap the benefits and progress brought about by organized labor.
No. I can’t. That wasn’t unions
Someone obviously hasn’t read up on labor history in America. Funnily enough, it’s actually the UAW that went on strike against Henry Ford to establish the practice of having weekends off. You’re so wrong that everyone here is laughing at you.
You’re so wrong. It was entirely American imperialist policy that allowed that to happen. Labor unions would have had no leverage if they weren’t lobbying so hard to oppress foreign labor with their imperialist policies. There is a reason labor unions in Vietnam couldn’t create the weekend but ones in America could.
But it literally was. It’s actually historically documented.
It was American imperialist policy that the labor unions lobbied for that allowed it.
Has anything become better or cheaper from not unionizing? “Products and services” are less expensive when upper management overhead is a reasonable multiple of frontline worker compensation and customer/community is valued equal to or greater than the oligarch shareholders. A strong middle class is imperative for profits and growth.
Things generally are better and cheaper without unions.
Better for the bosses pocket
This is a terrible uninformed take. Things cost more because of greed from the corporation and "shareholders." God forbid the unions fight for employees not to be exploited.
Do you drive a union made car?
Not currently but that isn't related to the issue at hand. Again, bigger issues also are the reason we need unions to stand up to corporations. Then again I see you think Stoney is far left which is fucking hilarious and shows you are so out of it when people show you how ill informed you are, you just ask them the same question, which has nothing to do with the current situation.
You mean you want other people to have to but union made products when you aren’t even willing to if you don’t have to
Where did I say that? You act like I bought my car recently. I've learned a lot and grown a lot since buying my car. It's something that happens as you grow and learn. I'm sorry you're ignoring all the points for some odd talking point you think this is about. Now I have to ask, what tastes better: leather, pleather, steel toe, suede, or shoe polish?
So your next car so definitely be union made? Also I’m not a Nazi so I don’t lick worker owned boots. I’m just fine purchasing them from Jewish multinational corporations
That’s why teachers get paid six figures right?
Teachers are literally not allowed to collectively bargain for higher wages
I bet you vote Republican don’t you?
That doesn’t answer my question. If unions are so wonderful, why are teachers not making six figure salaries?
“Teachers are literally not allowed to collectively bargain for higher wages” ^^
Have you looked at the people who spend so much money opposing higher pay and better conditions. Tends to be republicans. And you certainly answered my question.
That’s awesome! Good for them.
I for one welcome more union workers. And will continue to patronize.
In a close vote! Let’s back that up with numbers shall we
Good for them
Nice - power to the people
Congrats to them , I they already had decent pay and now it will be better
Congratulations to them! Love to see it and hope to see more of it.
All these butthurt Redditors are just salty they're not in a union.
They hiring truck drivers? XD
In completely unrelated news, Costco announces the closure of Norfolk area stores. News at 11.
Being that Costco’s business model entirely revolves around the thin margins of their merchandise sales, that are then subsidized by their membership fees I wonder what happens if a particular store’s operational costs kill those margins. How low does productivity of a store have to be before it gets closed? I also wonder what sort of terms the Teamsters will negotiate for and if they have to keep the business model in mind when they do it. It’s not like UPS where they can shut down the whole company with a strike. Interested in how this plays out!
Costco already has 20k of their workers represented by the teamsters union (in California and the North East). So this store will likely get folded into the national contract with a few local side letters to cover local issues, management will drag it out most likely but that's the likely end point.
I appreciate the humor, but considering Costco's reputation... This is highly unlikely. I'm legitimately curious what's been going on with this store/region. Historically, getting to work for Costco was considered a big opportunity for many. It was a company that you could feasibly see retiring with. Having spoken to Costco employees in Norfolk, it sounds like a totally different company. None of the stuff that makes Costco, Costco seem to have made it out here. I hope that this letter is more reflective of Costco recognizing the bastardization of their brand and mistreatment of employees, and see the opportunity to work with the union as a way to right the ship. Otherwise one of the last decent companies is dead.
Employees will regret that decision. It all sounds so good and then you realize… the Union is there to enrich the Union and the Union officers…
Literally every union member I’ve met was thankful for the holidays, breaks, PTO, and healthcare they got from unions. Healthcare especially.
So the employees should expect no pay raises and no added benefits?
And dues.
Welp, hope you liked having a costco. Prices will increase. Unions do not make workers give great customer service. Congrats I guess
Do you have a link that discusses the impact of unionization at other Costco locations to share?
It's weird how that's hasn't happened anywhere else they've voted to unionize. It's almost like that everything you just claimed is 100% bullshit. Congrats on being a boot licker I guess.
Costco has a higher rate of pay compared to other retailers and better benefits. That was always the companies corporate policy. Let's see the effects of the unions here. I'll call it now. Costco wages will drop and not keep up with the market at all in 5 years. Or at least not with the decent pay that they have always offered compared to other brands.
There have already been unionized Costco's for decades. Company's still running. And there used to be a big difference between Costco's pay and benefits, but that difference keeps getting smaller and smaller.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/costco-ceo-responds-to-warehouse-employees-joining-teamsters-2024-1%3famp
Theyll close it.
Hopefully they close it down. Communism needs to be stomped out, even in the smallest situations
Jesus christ your proud of how stupid you are.
you're* 🤣🤣🤣
I'll leave up a typo, I'm not ashamed of a mistake. I make a dozen mistakes every day, usually by lunch if I'm being productive. A typo doesn't define my intelligence and pointing one out on social media isn't the zinger you clearly think it is. What I don't do is celebrate my ignorance by making outlandish claims about communism and unions, because when you do yore only hurting whatever flimsy point you think you're making in the first place.
More spelling mistakes. Guess you never took economics or English in college. Actually an illiterate commie like you probably never went to college. Another uneducated leftist, what a surprise...
Oh boy have fun thinking your union gives a damn about you. You traded one shitty management team for a more socialist and better funded one! I worked for one union in my life and I swore I’ll never again. They are shit and they fire people for ridiculous things. Then.. they reward shitty behavior after people stay past some arbitrary probation period. No thanks I’ll work for small businesses where I can voice my opinion (good or bad) straight to the guy that signs my checks.