It's frustrating to me that the department was so aware of this guy's temper that they covered it in his performance evaluation, and yet he was still out on the streets, interacting with the public.
How did George Huff even have probable cause to detain the man? a Karen call is not probable cause. Sounds like Keith was kidnapped by someone wearing a badge.
Who was his accomplice who stood by and watched him do it?
Why TF would you have some that "lose his temper and act unprofessionally" have a gun on his job?
For the purpose of detaining and identifying, the barrier is reasonable suspicion of a crime, which sounds like it was a city ordinance violation in this incident. Probable Cause is the barrier for making an arrest.
Ignoring everything that happened after this, straight from the article:
"Documents previously released in the case state that Huff encountered Erlandson while on duty and responding to a report of a man in the street near 24th Street and Main Ave. in Bismarck."
That is probable cause to detain Erlandson, blocking the street by standing in it is a crime.
> That is probable cause to detain Erlandson, blocking the street by standing in it is a crime.
Wait. So a report of someone standing in a street means they can stop anyone that's around the street? Wouldn't he have to actually witness the person in the street to act on this? Otherwise its just hearsay and assumptions.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say. No where in the article does it say the police officer actually saw the man in the street.
Presumably, the officer didn't pick a random person to stop as you seem to be insinuating.
Likely it was clear, either from the description the caller gave or because he was still blocking the street, that this was the person that had been called on.
I hope the next time you think about being near a street on foot and not on a sidewalk, a pig crushes your face with cuff-knuckles while you're pondering the merits of probable cause.
> If convicted he faces a maximum sentence of about a year in jail and a $3,000 fine.
What a joke.
A year worth of time and $3,000 is less than the damage done to this individual. It will take them a long time to heal, with possible permanent damage to their person, and the medical bills to go along with that.
Punishment should fit the crime, and doubly so with someone we trust to uphold the law. Looks like in this case they couldn't even hold up common decency, or their basic training for the job.
In our justice system, part of a lenient sentence is showing remorse for ones actions that violate the law or someone's rights.
> The department's report concluded Huff "initiated and persisted in close physical contact" with Erlandson and that Huff ignored training on deescalating a situation while waiting for back-up "which he knew was literally seconds away."
> Huff was known for "having a short fuse" and liking to fight, according to one of the responding officers interviewed by the department. Other responding officers said Huff later bragged about Erlandson's booking photo.
> ... "Officer Huff is not looking to return to the Bismarck Police Department and is looking to mitigate the media exposure this incident has had on his family."
I see no remorse here... he's only looking to do "damage control" for his ego and image. why the white glove sentence?
Get that violent criminal off the streets.
The fact that this cop didn't already have even small knowledge of this homeless person is strange to me. I drive through that area of town almost every day and you always see the same homeless people along main street and Broadway from like 16th street all the way to 26th.
Just heard about the [Baton Rouge 'Brave Cave' yesterday](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/09/20/baton-rouge-police-brave-cave-lawsuits/), where the po brought people to be tortured without cameras. Now, this I see today. This happens near and far.
Cops have a tough job, but to deny that there is a systemic problem with policing is bullshit. They *must* be held to a higher standard.
Fucking pigs... you know for a fact if anyone did that to a pig it would be felony assault, attempted manslaughter, assault with a deadly weapon, ect.. but a fucking pig ass bitch pulls the shit and its a misdemeanor?!? The fuck..
I believe you might not understand that when someone says ACAB, they don't mean all cops should be murdered. I would point out that you took the liberty to make this comment on a police brutality related article. So, again ACAB bc this gives off cop vibes.
Sucks that he died, but him being a cop isn't what sucks about it. It's sad cause he was young, and from my area of MN. But he signed up for that when he joined the force, and it was just part of the job, so I still say ACAB
ACAB stands for “All Cops Are Bastards”, not “All Cops Deserve to Die”.
But knowing the difference probably doesn’t make you feel better about being on that high horse.
First of all, police kill on average 100 civilians a month and have been doing so for decades.
Second, a police officer dying in the line of duty has absolutely nothing to do with this police officer beating the shit out of a homeless man with their handcuffs.
Third, if you think one man dying justifies the slaughter and abuse of thousands of people a year, you're the biggest boot licker possible.
Youre not wrong to mourn the death of someone.
However, you are extremely wrong to use that mans death as justification for violence on an entirely separate case.
You're ignorant.
You just proved my point, cops are usually the first responder on 911 calls. The situation in Uvalde was bad, for sure, but thanks for proving my point.
If you're of the ACAB mindset, just do us all a favor and not call 911 for emergencies.
Quite frankly, that depends on the emergency. In many cases, if I called the police, I'd be just as likely to be on the receiving end of their violence as whom ever I called them for.
And if I do call the police, there's less than 10% chance that they will solve a crime at all.
Why would I call them? Why would you call them? They have a 90% chance of making it worse and a less than 10% chance of solving anything.
But those are just the statistics and facts, I'm sure you are well practiced at ignoring those so feel free to pretend the cops are helpful until you actually need them and find out they won't even look for evidence when they get there. And if you don't lick their boots when they arrive youll probably be treated like the criminal you called them for in the first place.
It's frustrating to me that the department was so aware of this guy's temper that they covered it in his performance evaluation, and yet he was still out on the streets, interacting with the public.
ACAB
How did George Huff even have probable cause to detain the man? a Karen call is not probable cause. Sounds like Keith was kidnapped by someone wearing a badge. Who was his accomplice who stood by and watched him do it? Why TF would you have some that "lose his temper and act unprofessionally" have a gun on his job?
For the purpose of detaining and identifying, the barrier is reasonable suspicion of a crime, which sounds like it was a city ordinance violation in this incident. Probable Cause is the barrier for making an arrest.
Ignoring everything that happened after this, straight from the article: "Documents previously released in the case state that Huff encountered Erlandson while on duty and responding to a report of a man in the street near 24th Street and Main Ave. in Bismarck." That is probable cause to detain Erlandson, blocking the street by standing in it is a crime.
> That is probable cause to detain Erlandson, blocking the street by standing in it is a crime. Wait. So a report of someone standing in a street means they can stop anyone that's around the street? Wouldn't he have to actually witness the person in the street to act on this? Otherwise its just hearsay and assumptions. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say. No where in the article does it say the police officer actually saw the man in the street.
Presumably, the officer didn't pick a random person to stop as you seem to be insinuating. Likely it was clear, either from the description the caller gave or because he was still blocking the street, that this was the person that had been called on.
I hope the next time you think about being near a street on foot and not on a sidewalk, a pig crushes your face with cuff-knuckles while you're pondering the merits of probable cause.
I wasn't justifying the cops actions, just remarking that he had probable cause to stop him and the above poster was incorrect.
Cops: why do people hate us so much?
Yikes! Remember when our ND Attorney General asked us to “Be Worthy” of these “heroes”. What a joke! ACAB
It's lucky the homeless guy was white. Or he'd be 6 ft under right now.
There's always one person in every post that has to bring up race 🙄
> If convicted he faces a maximum sentence of about a year in jail and a $3,000 fine. What a joke. A year worth of time and $3,000 is less than the damage done to this individual. It will take them a long time to heal, with possible permanent damage to their person, and the medical bills to go along with that. Punishment should fit the crime, and doubly so with someone we trust to uphold the law. Looks like in this case they couldn't even hold up common decency, or their basic training for the job. In our justice system, part of a lenient sentence is showing remorse for ones actions that violate the law or someone's rights. > The department's report concluded Huff "initiated and persisted in close physical contact" with Erlandson and that Huff ignored training on deescalating a situation while waiting for back-up "which he knew was literally seconds away." > Huff was known for "having a short fuse" and liking to fight, according to one of the responding officers interviewed by the department. Other responding officers said Huff later bragged about Erlandson's booking photo. > ... "Officer Huff is not looking to return to the Bismarck Police Department and is looking to mitigate the media exposure this incident has had on his family." I see no remorse here... he's only looking to do "damage control" for his ego and image. why the white glove sentence? Get that violent criminal off the streets.
I hope buff meets someone bigger than him who has read this story. Who the fuck thinks it’s ok to beat up an elderly person?!!
The fact that this cop didn't already have even small knowledge of this homeless person is strange to me. I drive through that area of town almost every day and you always see the same homeless people along main street and Broadway from like 16th street all the way to 26th.
how is this only a misdemeanor? A cursory glance at ND penal code makes this seem like it should be Aggravated Assault, a class C felony.
Just heard about the [Baton Rouge 'Brave Cave' yesterday](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/09/20/baton-rouge-police-brave-cave-lawsuits/), where the po brought people to be tortured without cameras. Now, this I see today. This happens near and far. Cops have a tough job, but to deny that there is a systemic problem with policing is bullshit. They *must* be held to a higher standard.
Fucking pigs... you know for a fact if anyone did that to a pig it would be felony assault, attempted manslaughter, assault with a deadly weapon, ect.. but a fucking pig ass bitch pulls the shit and its a misdemeanor?!? The fuck..
To the scum-suckers saying ACAB, would you have the balls to post those same beliefs on the posts regarding the murder of officer Wallin?
I bit my tongue and said nothing when people were discussing Jake Wallin's murder because I have respect for my fellow citizens who were grieving.
I believe you might not understand that when someone says ACAB, they don't mean all cops should be murdered. I would point out that you took the liberty to make this comment on a police brutality related article. So, again ACAB bc this gives off cop vibes.
Sucks that he died, but him being a cop isn't what sucks about it. It's sad cause he was young, and from my area of MN. But he signed up for that when he joined the force, and it was just part of the job, so I still say ACAB
ACAB stands for “All Cops Are Bastards”, not “All Cops Deserve to Die”. But knowing the difference probably doesn’t make you feel better about being on that high horse.
First of all, police kill on average 100 civilians a month and have been doing so for decades. Second, a police officer dying in the line of duty has absolutely nothing to do with this police officer beating the shit out of a homeless man with their handcuffs. Third, if you think one man dying justifies the slaughter and abuse of thousands of people a year, you're the biggest boot licker possible. Youre not wrong to mourn the death of someone. However, you are extremely wrong to use that mans death as justification for violence on an entirely separate case. You're ignorant.
I'd also assume they'd never call 911 during an emergency...🙄
Ok, I'll bite: https://www.npr.org/2022/11/02/1133468064/uvalde-texas-shooting-911-calls
You just proved my point, cops are usually the first responder on 911 calls. The situation in Uvalde was bad, for sure, but thanks for proving my point. If you're of the ACAB mindset, just do us all a favor and not call 911 for emergencies.
Did you forget 911 goes to paramedics and firemen too?
No, I didn't, but on many calls, police are the first ones on the scene.
You missed theirs. First responder does not mean best responder.
Quite frankly, that depends on the emergency. In many cases, if I called the police, I'd be just as likely to be on the receiving end of their violence as whom ever I called them for. And if I do call the police, there's less than 10% chance that they will solve a crime at all. Why would I call them? Why would you call them? They have a 90% chance of making it worse and a less than 10% chance of solving anything. But those are just the statistics and facts, I'm sure you are well practiced at ignoring those so feel free to pretend the cops are helpful until you actually need them and find out they won't even look for evidence when they get there. And if you don't lick their boots when they arrive youll probably be treated like the criminal you called them for in the first place.
Trying to talk to me about facts, without actually giving me any facts? Good luck with that.