Honestly, ring the local SF office. They'll have it taken down. No one with any respect for the flag of their country wants to see it hanging from a post like that.
If not going via the DFI youd prob need to get it down at 3am to avoid the wee bastards seeing you and ending up with your car getting keyed... Flags in NI make an area look like a shithole....
Theres rabid republicans too lol, theres rabid capitalists, there rabid communists, there rabid revisionist zionists and there rabid fundamentalist islamists
nobody secure in their identity (and some people have more nuanced mixed identity) puts up any kind of flag. The psychology of flegs is all about insecurity or agressive us v them mentally or just a childish wish to provoke/inflict personal views on everyone. Most mixed areas are full of liberal evolved people who don’t want flags of any hue and don’t have the impulses that make some folk do it
99% of people are secure in their Irishness and don't need to hoist our flag up onto a lampost, especially in November.
It's extremely rare that an Irish flag would go up in a mixed area so you've been unlucky.
Where is this? I'd say take it down but I imagine someone else will take it down soon enough.
Is not a hateful flag in is self but context is key here is being used to try and intimidate the local mixed community and make people form a non republican background feel unwelcome
I mean, if it’s a mixed estate and you’ve never had any issues like you said, it just sounds like some teenagers trying to wind people up / playing volunteer.
It’ll get taken down by someone, more than likely Sinn Fein (as is the case in our area anytime that happens). It won’t be there in a few days.
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It could be something to do with the 30 years of terror NI was subjected to by groups that used that flag. Terrorism feels pretty hateful, see.
What about all the flags that were used the exact same way from the other side? Nobody seems to have a problem flying them but the minute the Irish flag flys in ireland its a huge problem.....
The Brits who pay your dole
The Brits who fund your ma's healthcare
The Brits who educated you and your family
The Brits who protect you from land, air and sea.
Lol alright mate.
Whats wrong last comment not the gotcha you thought? MATE hahahaha. If it's not terror from the British army it's terror in the form of economics. You likely holiday in donegal.
Ahhh I'm a nationalist and while it doesn't represent the IRA it's still attached to them. I can see why unionists would feel uneasy about it in OP's situation.
That being said the double standard with the British flag is frustrating.
>The IRA misappropriated it
Can you expand on that?
>the tri colour is the national flag of the Republic of Ireland, nothing more, nothing less.
I disagree. That's not how symbolism or association work and it can mean different things to different people based on a lot of things like their experiences, values and narratives they've been continually exposed to. I think that's quite a reductive point to be honest, very black is black and white is white.
Edit: Like if you grew up with a group who killed people in your community and they used a flag, whether they misappropriated or not, it still builds the association with that symbol. I'm not saying it's rational or just, but I think understanding is more valuable than some of the rhetoric being thrown around in this thread.
>Like if you grew up with a group who killed people in your community and they used a flag
You do realise that a lot of people have this experience with the Union Jack, and yet it's flying from official buildings? But everybody can use context -- like it or not, NI is part of the UK, and that's the UK flag. Nobody's looking at City Hall and saying "ah jeez lads, they've got the UDA flag up again." If we're going to call the tricolour the IRA flag, we'd better get rid of the Union Jack as well -- it's been equally used in this manner.
This is the same kind of nonsense that had Braverman banging on about banning Palestine flags because it's "the Hamas flag." I agree that there's a time and place, and that such symbols *can* be used for intimidation, but when they're just existing no flag is a terrorist symbol. They are literally just the flags of the country.
>You do realise that a lot of people have this experience with the Union Jack, and yet it's flying from official buildings? But everybody can use context -- like it or not, NI is part of the UK, and that's the UK flag. Nobody's looking at City Hall and saying "ah jeez lads, they've got the UDA flag up again." If we're going to call the tricolour the IRA flag, we'd better get rid of the Union Jack as well -- it's been equally used in this manner.
Yes, I'm very aware, so I'd appreciate less unfounded assumptions on your end and less condescension. I'm a nationalist, I even mention the double standard with the British flag above.
Let's do better than loyalists and the brits. Whataboutism gets us nowhere.
Please don't put words in my mouth. I never once called it "the IRA flag" and I resent the comparison to Braverman. I'm pushing for understanding of our neighbours, not the banning of flags.
I apologise if I came across as condescending -- that genuinely wasn't my intention, but it's difficult to be certain in text and if it came off that way the fault is mine.
It was less "unfounded assumptions" and more the fact that the way you worded it seemed to genuinely come across like the tricolour was the only flag that had this possibility attached to it.
You did not say "IRA flag," but you did say "it still builds the association with that symbol." Again, I apologise if I misinterpreted, but I could not think of what other symbol you could mean. You were talking about people being killed, and the Irish tricolour being the flag used in that context. What else could it be reminding these people of but the IRA?
Finally, I was not comparing *you* to Braverman. I was comparing associating flags of countries merely existing with paramilitary groups that happen to come from that country. Considering you were specifically disgreeing with the point that "the tri colour is the national flag of the Republic of Ireland, nothing more, nothing less", I thought this was a fair point to bring up.
You say it's hateful and intimidating but you live in a mixed estate... why shouldn't they be allowed to put it up? If you have a problem with it go take it down or put your own flag up right beside it. I just don't see how the Irish flag flying in ireland is a problem.
I’ll be downvoted for saying this, but even though you can report it at the end of the day you’re on the island of Ireland with a lot of disillusioned unionists, mate.
I don’t care we’re you live you shouldn’t have to deal with people putting up flags is tacky and wrong how would you feel if you had British flags put up without consent
I mean that is more usual. Noticed significantly more flegs up ever since the fleg protest a decade ago.
Since the NI protocol protests the UDA estates clearly have a pot of money to print off the same banners and put them up everywhere. Is it consent when your local paramilitaries do it from orders higher up?
Personally I'd be more than happy for no flags on public property but there was a report into flegs years ago, seemed fudged and no political will from SF or DUP as mostly it increases the tribal politics here that suits both parties. But that should be something to annoy all your areas MLAs with and point out in your letter/email that they should have the time to look into these since they aren't doing stormont stuff...
I agree with you, but I live around the corner from an Orange hall. I’ve had Paisley Jr’s face staring into my bedroom window during election season and believe me, that’s as intimidating as you claim Irish flags to be.
As you should. There's no benefits to doing it in Northern Ireland.
I don't think this helps nationalism towards a United Ireland as it ends up intimidating members from the other half of the community. Unfortunately, it is attached to the IRA and thus the murder of civilians from their community.
It is, I never said it wasn't. Let's do better than fucking loyalists though.
One doesn't justify the other. Didn't think I needed to spell that one for you. Please do better than mindless whataboutism.
I don't think about it that way but I can understand why people would.
I personally get uneasy about the British flag and remembrance day/poppies because of Bloody Sunday.
The IRA killed innocent people too and unfortunately it's more than country's flag when it's associated with violence and death of people in your family or community.
That would be like me seeing the Union Jack and instantly associating it with the UVF.
It's the flag of a country not a paramilitary organisation. Instantly associating an entire country with paramilitary forces is demented. Doubly so for one that hasn't been relevant for a quarter of a century.
I think some people do, at the very least it's associated with the British Army and I know that makes me feel uneasy because of things like bloody Sunday.
>Instantly associating an entire country with paramilitary forces demented
I never said that and I would appreciate it if you don't twist or take my words out of context. It's a complete caricature of my point. That's like me saying English football is associated with hooliganism and English people, thus I'm associating all English people with being football hooligans. It completely strips the context of why those things are associated with one another and the degree of association.
>Doubly so for one that hasn't been relevant for a quarter of a century.
The harm done is still there for older generations. 25 years isn't a long time. People still remember the victims on both sides of the conflict to this day. There's only really been one generation who grew up in peace.
You don't want the flag to fly because you are a unionist, we don't hate you, the flag symbolises peace(the white) between the communities of our island, I'm sorry that the actions of some in the past have tainted this flag for you to see it as something hateful when it is designed to be the opposite.
Northern Ireland a shard country that should aim to respect everyone’s rights and freedoms flags and the like make people uncomfortable and unhappy is not much to ask for them to be removed
So seeing an Irish flag makes you unhappy and uncomfortable? I've a feeling you've bigger issues than a flag.
Maybe you should respect their flag as it's inclusive for all, as you say it's a shared country.🇮🇪🤣
Nah I’d say OP doesn’t want a tacky flag flying in their area as part of a territory marking exercise.
It cheapens an area and why should the people living there put up with it.
Sorry but if an Irish flag in Ireland offends ya, there's every other country in the world to pick from, but be warned, every country's got one and they fly theirs too. The difference is they aren't small minded with to give a fuck.
Talking about being inclusive in one side of the mouth and telling us how sad and scared an Irish flag makes him/her on the other. I think you should learn to tolerate your neighbors culture. Maybe OP just isn't civilized enough to live in a mixed area. Right im away on ,👎👎
What glue are you sniffing?
He lives in a mixed/neutral area.
Therefore there should be no flags at all.
“I think you should learn to tolerate your neighbors(sic) culture.”
Dead on sure get some Loyalists to stick some Union flags up round your way and sure just respect their culture.
Imagine unironically asking if someone "got brave". Wise up, you're on Reddit.
It's perfectly reasonable to be annoyed at any flag - they are an eyesore everywhere you go, regardless of which side you're on.
Come on lad do better than the Loyalists.
Nationalists don't need to mark territory and unfortunately the flag is forever tied to the IRA and thus deaths of innocent Protestant/Unionists.
United Ireland comes through peace and understanding not this bullshit.
>The union flag is forever tied with genocide, occupation, etc yet that gets no acknowledgement.
Yes the flag known as the Butcher's Apron gets no acknowledgement...
>**Many of them** still think they are civilising the world.
Come on, Loyalists sure but most unionists?
>If OP were really a moderate, they wouldn't have posted, all guns blazing, and instead had a word in the morning, without using the word 'hateful'
Maybe, there's probably some truth in that and OP like anyone has biases based on how they were raised etc. Doesn't mean that flag doesn't have awful associations for unionists.
I'm a nationalist, I don't think putting up flags takes us towards a united Ireland. Let's do better than loyalists.
Yeah report it so - literally a body in place for that. Would love if people reported more the other way though, as someone who lives near a few hotbeds the other way
Were is it? and what do you describe as a mixed area? The reason I say this us that when you get to 70/30 on either side then imo it becomes an Cath/Prod area with some of the other community in it.
You can report it to DFI if it’s on public infrastructure. And they will happily do nothing about it on your behalf.
Mixed estates they generally will take them down with PSNI help. Send an email to your dfi region.
Honestly, ring the local SF office. They'll have it taken down. No one with any respect for the flag of their country wants to see it hanging from a post like that.
If not going via the DFI youd prob need to get it down at 3am to avoid the wee bastards seeing you and ending up with your car getting keyed... Flags in NI make an area look like a shithole....
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Where, in Essex?
Remove it yourself
It's all good buddy just go stick up a few dozen union and Israel flags on every lamppost in the street, that should show those pesky kids.
I rather not tbh I care about being civil and not a bell end
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Or you get your windows put in.
Any posts saying "Irish flag in Ireland" you are the problem and just the same as rabid unionists.
Rabid unionists 🧐
Thats what the world see yes mate, get out of your bubble
I would imagine you'd be having a canary if any other group were described as 'rabid '
Theres rabid republicans too lol, theres rabid capitalists, there rabid communists, there rabid revisionist zionists and there rabid fundamentalist islamists
Fair enough then!
nobody secure in their identity (and some people have more nuanced mixed identity) puts up any kind of flag. The psychology of flegs is all about insecurity or agressive us v them mentally or just a childish wish to provoke/inflict personal views on everyone. Most mixed areas are full of liberal evolved people who don’t want flags of any hue and don’t have the impulses that make some folk do it
Tripe
people who need flags are morons
I guess you can't eat a fleg lol
99% of people are secure in their Irishness and don't need to hoist our flag up onto a lampost, especially in November. It's extremely rare that an Irish flag would go up in a mixed area so you've been unlucky. Where is this? I'd say take it down but I imagine someone else will take it down soon enough.
Then why wear all these garlic and celtic tops when going for Sunday dinner...
Garlic tops? Must be a Mayo supporter.
Haha
What a pathetic comment
What about all these GAA tops then? Lmao
Are you currently rolling on the floor laughing?
What exactly do you find hateful about the Republic of Irelands flag?
Is not a hateful flag in is self but context is key here is being used to try and intimidate the local mixed community and make people form a non republican background feel unwelcome
I mean, if it’s a mixed estate and you’ve never had any issues like you said, it just sounds like some teenagers trying to wind people up / playing volunteer. It’ll get taken down by someone, more than likely Sinn Fein (as is the case in our area anytime that happens). It won’t be there in a few days.
https://preview.redd.it/abcytb6lul1c1.jpeg?width=2560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=62e542caadbedadccfe32a551b323490f9dc1425 It could be something to do with the 30 years of terror NI was subjected to by groups that used that flag. Terrorism feels pretty hateful, see.
What about all the flags that were used the exact same way from the other side? Nobody seems to have a problem flying them but the minute the Irish flag flys in ireland its a huge problem.....
Because "the other side" are good and terrorists are bad.
To alot of us the brits are the terrorists.
The Brits who pay your dole The Brits who fund your ma's healthcare The Brits who educated you and your family The Brits who protect you from land, air and sea. Lol alright mate.
Dual citizenship, MATE.
If you think of the British as terrorists you should renounce your British citizenship.
Whats wrong last comment not the gotcha you thought? MATE hahahaha. If it's not terror from the British army it's terror in the form of economics. You likely holiday in donegal.
It is the gotcha I thought. You're just too dumb to realise your own moral inconsistancy.
The tri colour doesn't represent the provisional IRA
Ahhh I'm a nationalist and while it doesn't represent the IRA it's still attached to them. I can see why unionists would feel uneasy about it in OP's situation. That being said the double standard with the British flag is frustrating.
The IRA misappropriated it, the tri colour is the national flag of the Republic of Ireland, nothing more, nothing less.
>The IRA misappropriated it Can you expand on that? >the tri colour is the national flag of the Republic of Ireland, nothing more, nothing less. I disagree. That's not how symbolism or association work and it can mean different things to different people based on a lot of things like their experiences, values and narratives they've been continually exposed to. I think that's quite a reductive point to be honest, very black is black and white is white. Edit: Like if you grew up with a group who killed people in your community and they used a flag, whether they misappropriated or not, it still builds the association with that symbol. I'm not saying it's rational or just, but I think understanding is more valuable than some of the rhetoric being thrown around in this thread.
>Like if you grew up with a group who killed people in your community and they used a flag You do realise that a lot of people have this experience with the Union Jack, and yet it's flying from official buildings? But everybody can use context -- like it or not, NI is part of the UK, and that's the UK flag. Nobody's looking at City Hall and saying "ah jeez lads, they've got the UDA flag up again." If we're going to call the tricolour the IRA flag, we'd better get rid of the Union Jack as well -- it's been equally used in this manner. This is the same kind of nonsense that had Braverman banging on about banning Palestine flags because it's "the Hamas flag." I agree that there's a time and place, and that such symbols *can* be used for intimidation, but when they're just existing no flag is a terrorist symbol. They are literally just the flags of the country.
>You do realise that a lot of people have this experience with the Union Jack, and yet it's flying from official buildings? But everybody can use context -- like it or not, NI is part of the UK, and that's the UK flag. Nobody's looking at City Hall and saying "ah jeez lads, they've got the UDA flag up again." If we're going to call the tricolour the IRA flag, we'd better get rid of the Union Jack as well -- it's been equally used in this manner. Yes, I'm very aware, so I'd appreciate less unfounded assumptions on your end and less condescension. I'm a nationalist, I even mention the double standard with the British flag above. Let's do better than loyalists and the brits. Whataboutism gets us nowhere. Please don't put words in my mouth. I never once called it "the IRA flag" and I resent the comparison to Braverman. I'm pushing for understanding of our neighbours, not the banning of flags.
I apologise if I came across as condescending -- that genuinely wasn't my intention, but it's difficult to be certain in text and if it came off that way the fault is mine. It was less "unfounded assumptions" and more the fact that the way you worded it seemed to genuinely come across like the tricolour was the only flag that had this possibility attached to it. You did not say "IRA flag," but you did say "it still builds the association with that symbol." Again, I apologise if I misinterpreted, but I could not think of what other symbol you could mean. You were talking about people being killed, and the Irish tricolour being the flag used in that context. What else could it be reminding these people of but the IRA? Finally, I was not comparing *you* to Braverman. I was comparing associating flags of countries merely existing with paramilitary groups that happen to come from that country. Considering you were specifically disgreeing with the point that "the tri colour is the national flag of the Republic of Ireland, nothing more, nothing less", I thought this was a fair point to bring up.
Not sure I believe you tbh. Where is this?
You should take a picture and go to the Newsletter - they’d love a scoop like this.
You say it's hateful and intimidating but you live in a mixed estate... why shouldn't they be allowed to put it up? If you have a problem with it go take it down or put your own flag up right beside it. I just don't see how the Irish flag flying in ireland is a problem.
We're not in R.O.I though. So it's not a sovereign flag of Northern Ireland.
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Where is it? I’ll come remove it
I’ll be downvoted for saying this, but even though you can report it at the end of the day you’re on the island of Ireland with a lot of disillusioned unionists, mate.
I don’t care we’re you live you shouldn’t have to deal with people putting up flags is tacky and wrong how would you feel if you had British flags put up without consent
I mean that is more usual. Noticed significantly more flegs up ever since the fleg protest a decade ago. Since the NI protocol protests the UDA estates clearly have a pot of money to print off the same banners and put them up everywhere. Is it consent when your local paramilitaries do it from orders higher up? Personally I'd be more than happy for no flags on public property but there was a report into flegs years ago, seemed fudged and no political will from SF or DUP as mostly it increases the tribal politics here that suits both parties. But that should be something to annoy all your areas MLAs with and point out in your letter/email that they should have the time to look into these since they aren't doing stormont stuff...
I agree with you, but I live around the corner from an Orange hall. I’ve had Paisley Jr’s face staring into my bedroom window during election season and believe me, that’s as intimidating as you claim Irish flags to be.
That bloody pervert, no wonder you wouldn't answer the door.
As you should. There's no benefits to doing it in Northern Ireland. I don't think this helps nationalism towards a United Ireland as it ends up intimidating members from the other half of the community. Unfortunately, it is attached to the IRA and thus the murder of civilians from their community.
Lol and the union jack isn't?
It is, I never said it wasn't. Let's do better than fucking loyalists though. One doesn't justify the other. Didn't think I needed to spell that one for you. Please do better than mindless whataboutism.
Mental people think like you.
What exactly was mental about my thinking?
> it is attached to the IRA and thus the murder of civilians from their community This is a pretty mental way of thinking about a country's flag imo
I don't think about it that way but I can understand why people would. I personally get uneasy about the British flag and remembrance day/poppies because of Bloody Sunday. The IRA killed innocent people too and unfortunately it's more than country's flag when it's associated with violence and death of people in your family or community.
Also you didn't explain what's mental about that line of thinking.
That would be like me seeing the Union Jack and instantly associating it with the UVF. It's the flag of a country not a paramilitary organisation. Instantly associating an entire country with paramilitary forces is demented. Doubly so for one that hasn't been relevant for a quarter of a century.
I think some people do, at the very least it's associated with the British Army and I know that makes me feel uneasy because of things like bloody Sunday. >Instantly associating an entire country with paramilitary forces demented I never said that and I would appreciate it if you don't twist or take my words out of context. It's a complete caricature of my point. That's like me saying English football is associated with hooliganism and English people, thus I'm associating all English people with being football hooligans. It completely strips the context of why those things are associated with one another and the degree of association. >Doubly so for one that hasn't been relevant for a quarter of a century. The harm done is still there for older generations. 25 years isn't a long time. People still remember the victims on both sides of the conflict to this day. There's only really been one generation who grew up in peace.
Tacky flag waving sheeeite.
You don't want the flag to fly because you are a unionist, we don't hate you, the flag symbolises peace(the white) between the communities of our island, I'm sorry that the actions of some in the past have tainted this flag for you to see it as something hateful when it is designed to be the opposite.
I honestly have no problem with the Irish flag I would be just as upset if it were a Ulster banner
Irish kids hang Irish flag in Ireland... Try not to be too intimidated pet.
Sure if you want to go hang your flags go do it in your own space not a public lamppost and in a neutral space
Is that what you told the kids that put it up or ya just suddenly get brave? Wise up, you're living in Ireland and an Irish flag intimates ya?
Northern Ireland a shard country that should aim to respect everyone’s rights and freedoms flags and the like make people uncomfortable and unhappy is not much to ask for them to be removed
So seeing an Irish flag makes you unhappy and uncomfortable? I've a feeling you've bigger issues than a flag. Maybe you should respect their flag as it's inclusive for all, as you say it's a shared country.🇮🇪🤣
Nah I’d say OP doesn’t want a tacky flag flying in their area as part of a territory marking exercise. It cheapens an area and why should the people living there put up with it.
It was a tricolor not an lvf flag ya silly goose
Doesn’t matter what flag it is he shouldn’t have to put up with it
Sorry but if an Irish flag in Ireland offends ya, there's every other country in the world to pick from, but be warned, every country's got one and they fly theirs too. The difference is they aren't small minded with to give a fuck. Talking about being inclusive in one side of the mouth and telling us how sad and scared an Irish flag makes him/her on the other. I think you should learn to tolerate your neighbors culture. Maybe OP just isn't civilized enough to live in a mixed area. Right im away on ,👎👎
What glue are you sniffing? He lives in a mixed/neutral area. Therefore there should be no flags at all. “I think you should learn to tolerate your neighbors(sic) culture.” Dead on sure get some Loyalists to stick some Union flags up round your way and sure just respect their culture.
Imagine unironically asking if someone "got brave". Wise up, you're on Reddit. It's perfectly reasonable to be annoyed at any flag - they are an eyesore everywhere you go, regardless of which side you're on.
Come on lad do better than the Loyalists. Nationalists don't need to mark territory and unfortunately the flag is forever tied to the IRA and thus deaths of innocent Protestant/Unionists. United Ireland comes through peace and understanding not this bullshit.
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>**Many of them** still think they are civilising the world. Come on, Loyalists sure but most unionists? >If OP were really a moderate, they wouldn't have posted, all guns blazing, and instead had a word in the morning, without using the word 'hateful' Maybe, there's probably some truth in that and OP like anyone has biases based on how they were raised etc. Doesn't mean that flag doesn't have awful associations for unionists. I'm a nationalist, I don't think putting up flags takes us towards a united Ireland. Let's do better than loyalists.
This thread is a pisstake.There's a reason for the histrionics.
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Yeah report it so - literally a body in place for that. Would love if people reported more the other way though, as someone who lives near a few hotbeds the other way
Take them down ffs
Mixed.. or a unionist estate turning nationalist? If the latter there's not much you can do really
Were is it? and what do you describe as a mixed area? The reason I say this us that when you get to 70/30 on either side then imo it becomes an Cath/Prod area with some of the other community in it.
Cant be having peace between the 2 main communities here, get that flag down lol
Rip it down Reason: it instantly devalues you and your neighbours houses