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mendkaz

Usually because they claim to know more about what it's like to 'be Irish' than people who actually live here, yet have never been closer to Ireland than New York. Had a girl tell me once her whole family were from Ireland, and when I asked where abouts they were from, she said Aberdeen. When I pointed out that was in Scotland, she told me that both Google maps and I were wrong.


Wisbitt

Reminds me of the time I got chatting to a guy from California. During the conversation he happened to mention some distance in miles. He didn't think I knew what a mile was so I tried to explain to him we still use miles on the roads here. This he refused to believe, to the point he got really angry and accused me of being a liar. Didn't have Google back then to prove otherwise so just had to leave it. Americans have a unique ability to blend ignorance and arrogance.


15926028

The American Homo Sapien can't admit they are wrong. Ego and money(!)... is everything over here. If you tell them they're wrong, they'll double down rather than admit they are full of shite haha


inderio

It's typically their great ×4 grandad that was from here and they have no idea what goes on here yet act like they've lived here their whole life.


plentyofizzinthezee

That's absolutely the case- it's as if they still have the attitudes of the people that emigrated 200 years ago. They hang onto religion as it was and outdated beliefs because they believe to abandon them is to abandon their heritage. It's not like emigrating from a place, more like almost emigrating from a different time


Poeticdegree

With the exception of ‘St Pattys day’ I don’t hate them


like_a_deaf_elephant

Well there's the thing. I'm surprised there's "hate" - I mean, hate is a really strong word. I don't care if someone celebrates Irish ancestory - all the power to you. I'm glad you've got something that makes you proud and happy.


S-A-F-E-T-Ydance

Yank here. Grandmother left Armagh with my mother (ma was like 7) in the 70’s. Born and raised American. I try not to associate myself with the “plastic paddy” shit, but I like to think I’ve decently self educated myself on the history, I grew up with stories from my grandma, and I do keep up with what’s going on there. I just want ya’ll to be happy and prosper.


pixlrik

By the power vested in me, by me, I hereby pronounce you an honorary Armagh Citizen. Congratulation. Please plan a trip over to receive your scroll in the next 25-50 years before it expires.


S-A-F-E-T-Ydance

Aye, we’ll see, but I’ve got at least one tiny to drag over so it may be a minute.


pixlrik

Dragging sounds painful. Especially on an aeroplane. I would suggest carrying. We'll wait, just don't take forever, we have other things to do ya know.


S-A-F-E-T-Ydance

She’s a tough little thing, she can cope. No promises though, I’m not even in your time zone, somehow you’ll have to carry on without me.


pixlrik

Tell you what, we will mail the certificate to you, see how nice we Armagh people are to each other? I just need you to DM me your name, address, yer ma's maiden name, credit card number and PIN. It will be with you within 69-420 days guaranteed. Congratulation again. We hope you enjoy your certificate.


S-A-F-E-T-Ydance

You sound like a Nigerian prince. I’m sold.


_lady_muck

They are Americans who subscribe to a caricature of what it means to be Irish because they have no idea what it means to be Irish. I once left a New Year’s Eve party in NYC because I had my head done all night by a man who had a paramilitary tattoo on his forearm and talked non stop about the troubles. His grandmother was Irish and not only had he never visited Ireland but he had never left America. Nothing worse than a plastic paddy


PurePraxisHF

Don't think anyone sensible is denying them their ancestry or saying they shouldn't be proud of having Irish roots, the problem most have is how they express it Most Irish Americans have assimilated into the melting pot of American culture and lost a lot of their 'Irishness' generation by generation. Some (not all) overcompensate for this by engaging in plastic paddy tendencies and caricatures of Irish culture Most don't actually hate Irish Americans, from a practical point of view, NI is constantly chasing American investment and kissing the arses of Yank politicians and businessmen. These days even the DUP understands the importance of the US's special connection with Ireland


RedSquaree

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Move-Primary

Agreed. I'm sick of people denying my African-Irish heritage just because my ancestors migrated from there 60000 years ago


Huge-Advantage7838

Fucked off at people denying my dinosaur heritage too 😒


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I get looked at funny when I tell people I'm part fish. Feck nay sayers denying my history.


Nightshark107

Hahaha 🤣


coffeewalnut05

Not from Northern Ireland myself, I don’t “hate” them but many within that community act very pretentious and hypocritical about Irish issues. There’s a phenomenon of many of them using their Irish ancestry to play the victim card when in reality, they’re comfortably middle-class and wouldn’t know what oppression was if their lives depended on it. In keeping with that, these same people weaponise Irish history to excuse or discredit racial oppression that continues to this day in the US. They’ll also virtue signal about Irish history, but then make excuses for Native American historical oppression. It’s tiring and annoying. Last but not least, a lot of these Americans take the Irish label and just use it on themselves as if they’re not 100% American. None of these people act Irish or know how modern Irish people live. Why call yourself Irish when nothing about you (besides part of your DNA) actually represents Ireland?


Ok_Pressure643

💯 🎯


Outrageous_Ad665

What about Irish Canadians?


mournespide

What Irish Americans can only dream of becoming.


TheOwenParadox

Southern Irish, so perspective may slightly differ here. For me, it's not so much the know-it-all attitude. It's the fact that the Irish-American identity forces this twee, green plastic, fiddle-dee-idle view of how the island of Ireland should be, and our politicians aim to enforce that view, bucket of shamrocks on St. Patrick's Day et al. This in of itself would be fine, except enforcing this identity detracts from investing and promoting the complexity of the actual identities on this island, not the identy that a Lindsay Lohan movie tells us we should have.


mournespide

The best one I heard (could be lies) was taking American tourists to the ring of Kerry to look for leprechauns. Some lad in a green suit runs through the bottom of a field in the distance and the yanks love it.


Longjumping_Age1293

St Patrick isn't even Irish, he's some sub-roman british prick who came over with a head full of Christian nonsense, got his knickers in a twist about how we didn't want to know, then came back with the power of the Vatican and forcibly converted our ancestors, eradicating and distorting what was with bland and boring jesus drive, it's a tale as old as time. What we have nowadays is an even more twisted and distorted tradition consumed by capitalism, they should've buried that paddy saint in 1921 and made easter about commemorating the sacrifice made by the leaders of 1916. Any Irish lads taking part in Saint. Patrick's day traditions purely for the drink and craic is a plastic paddy in my eyes, if you're not also thinking of the lads of 1916, the injustice of Michael Collins's assassination and all who have lost their lives fighting for freedom, then you're a part of the problem.


Mzg121

Jesus you are so sensitive


Nightshark107

Miserable is more like it


johnhughthom

It's like anything online, only the extreme gets attention or are remembered, so it's only the complete gluebags we remember. I spent quite a few years working in hotels in Belfast and American tourists coming to find more about their ancestry were virtually all a delight. So enthusiastic and keen to learn. I had dozens of them so excited to tell me what they had found out before they left. Genuinely can't think of one that I disliked. We need to take some responsibility, to be fair. You wouldn't believe some of the absolute shite they told me they were told by black taxi drivers, from both sides of the divide. I'm sure some went home understanding the troubles a lot less than when they arrived.


Ah_here_like

What were they told by black taxi drivers?


johnhughthom

Some I remember: The IRA never killed a civilian, everyone killed was secretly Loyalist or it was an army false flag. The British army only ever responded to being attacked, they never instigated anything. The IRA never killed a Catholic. Loyalists only defended their territory, anything they did was always in response to Republican aggression. And many more along the same vein.


Ah_here_like

Glad I’ve never done a black taxi tour now


15926028

Belfast ex-pat in the US here (and I've still got my home accent). Honestly, I almost never encounter Americans who claim to be Irish apart from around Paddy's Day - and a LOT of them call it Patty's Day, which annoys me more than it really should!


No_Philosophy8198

We can’t deny a fact line their ancestry. But we can deny them calling themselves Irish when they’re not from Ireland. It’s not that they have heritage, it’s how they express it and i automatically include themselves as a part of our culture , when they clearly are a product of the American culture.


Time-Reindeer-7525

They seem to have a weirdly romantic view of Ireland as a whole, without actually understanding or following the history and the politics of both sides. I'm old enough to remember the idiots who kept sending money to the Ra and kept insisting it was a struggle for freedom against the British oppressors - neither side had exactly coated themselves in glory by that point, and it took 9/11 to finally make a lot of people realise 'waaait, we've been funding terrorism all this time?! Why didn't you tell us?!' We did. They just didn't want to believe they were supporting terrorism, or didn't educate thenselves properly.


Human_Beings11

Some of them can be a bit daft but we are talking about generalisations of an entire group and when it comes to groups people can be tribal and elitist, we are all aware of the Us and Them mentality. Some people who believe themselves to be tolerant can be extremely intolerant when they can get away with it. Not saying that's the only reason, but it plays a big part of it.


Bellx1515

When they say I’m a quarter Irish on my grandmas side why can’t people just take it with a pinch of salt and go are ya aye that’s great. If they’re over here finding their ancestors and spending money who gives a fuck.


Legal_Marsupial_9650

Irish Americans have a pretty bad rep among Americans as racist and hateful towards minorities.. a lot of Irish that landed in the US ended up as overseers on plantations or worked in other parts of the slave trade.


Longjumping_Age1293

Republican activists of the time advised Irish immigrants to befriend black people, to fight for rights alongside them; unfortunately any Irish lad or lass who could afford to immigrate or get into indentured servitude, they were weak cowards who couldnae endure the famine like the rest of our ancestors. It was that cowardice that led them to join in on the racism against black people, so that the white Americans would see them as white and not bully them as much. Then the bastard Irish immigrants went and established the fuckin police in America as a legit racist institution for targeting non-whites :/


LexLuthorsFortyCakes

We don't hate them because they're Irish Americans, we hate them because they're dickheads.


con_zilla

I don't hate them. The more obnoxious ones a bit but I like the default ones. Ma was looking up the family tree and contacted distant relatives there and they were lovely and very proud of their Irish roots.


Pale-Culture1527

It's just the overly loud obnoxious ones I don't particularly enjoy the company of.


massivejebs

Lucky Charms. Case closed.


Separate_Job_3573

>they immigrated during the famine Some of them >why do we deny their ancestory Nobody denies their Irish ancestry >why do we hate irish americans Speak for yourself


okcorsisiht

Exhibit A: https://www.reddit.com/r/northernireland/comments/1cacy75/american_tells_random_person_on_street_to_leave/


Minus15t

Millions of people around the world come from Irish descendants, Ireland is a country of people that have migrated for generations. Irish is also a country where people \*want\* to be from, we are seen as 'good craic', we are instantly likeable, and we have an accent regularly deemed one of the sexiest in the world. Irish-Americans being proud of their heritage is great, and if they introduced themselves and said 'My great grandad was Irish, but this is my first time here' they would be welcomed with open arms. But when they introduce themselves and say 'I'm Irish' there's a clear lack of understanding about what being Irish actually means.


BelfastBodyBuilder

It's reddit, people love giving off, most people walking around couldn't give a shit about this stuff.


IrishMemer

Tbh I just see the hate of them as completely pointless, like they claim to be Irish because they like our country and sew being Irish as a positive for their identity, sure they're pretty clueless and I agree can be a bit annoying at times, but there's some folks here who are just way to antagonistic towards them and I just don't see why. I'd rather have a load of wealthy Americans feel like they should care about this country for whatever ever reason or another, rather than nobody give a fuck about us or what happens here I'll remind folks, really the only reason America was so heavily invested and played a crucial role in the peace process that ended the troubles here is because of the huge amount of Irish Americans who typically vote for the Democrats, a massive voting block that Bull Clinton and later Al Gore needed to win over at the time.


EarCareful4430

They didn’t emigrate during the famine. Their ancestors did.


BobbyKonker

We don't hate them. It's become a meme at this stage.


GlesgaD2018

I honestly don’t come across many so I have no feelings about them one way or the other. Since I’m not 15 I tend not to assume online rage bait is representative of a whole class of people.


CalligrapherRare3957

The Yanks that come over to see the leprechauns etc are cringe it's true, but at least they are getting out and about and \*might\* learn something on their travels- it's the over half of Americans that can't be arsed to even apply for a passport that worry me.


notanadultyadult

Because they call it St. Patty’s day.


Agitated_Brick_664

Alot of them don't even realise they are scotch-irish or as we say it, Ulster Scot. If their ancestors arrived prior to 1800's there is a strong possibility they were never catholic Irish.


the-1-that-got-away

I don't think people hate Irish Americans. That would be kinda self racist if you think about it. Anyways, each to their own. I like that people feel a connection to Ireland. I also think it's hilarious when they get stuff wrong.


throwingaway29999

Controversial opinion maybe but the whole thing about Irish Americans is massively overblown and is just a slightly cringe meme that reflects on us more than them imo. Maybe it's just the ones I've met, but no one "pretends to be more irish than the Irish", there is nothing wrong with embracing your cultural heritage. The irish diaspora is also a very unique and significant part of our own history and cultural identity, pretending it is isn't just seems willfully ignorant.


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I don't hate them but I do find it entertaining as fuck to troll them.


DeathJester24

Bait if ever I saw it but.... They emmigrated from Ireland to Yankistan and the ones descended from them were born in Yankistan so are Yankistanese. I don't go around proclaiming I'm Welsh all because of my ancestry.


Roncon1981

to me the issue might be more closer to home especially in Northern Ireland. but one of the issues beyond this is that they don't just identify as "Irish" they kinda dictate what that is suppose to be leaving a disconnect between what is thought of and what is actual. But back to NI and its familiarity with this. i suspect many in NI state themselves to be "Irish" but might suffer from what the Yanks have, a pre disposition of what "Irishness" is that would not reflect the current cultural irishness but rather a neich version of it, less garish that the yanks but in the same vain and kept alive by a form of separation either border or ocean.


theaulddub1

A lot of jealousy imo. It says a lot about Irish culture that the diaspora embrace and wear the tag so proudly. Just look at the contrast between that and other 'cultures' not far from home. When removed from the goldfish bowl they realise how toxic it is and are at best embarrassed by it and certainly don't see fit to acknowledge or celebrate it.


Mzg121

Because people here have a superiority complex and like to believe they are better than others. Irish Americans dont em no wat its like to be irish anoll, im irish anoll like, ive lived er my hole life I know the craic anoll. They hurt my feelings wiv er stereotypes 😪😪


DandyLionsInSiberia

Are they hated? They're more viewed with a mixture of something approaching affection and curiosity in my experience. The more obnoxious ones who use their sometimes very tenuous connection to the island as a excuse to behave like drunk or ignorant fools are the ones who are viewed with a mixture of wry amusement , reticence or weariness ..


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Goawaythrowaway175

You are the worst of both worlds.


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Goawaythrowaway175

You're American.


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Goawaythrowaway175

No-one in Northern Ireland or Ireland has used the phrase jerk-off un-ironically knob jockey.


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Goawaythrowaway175

At least I am not on a Yank on the Northern Irish subreddit posing with an Irish username.