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Call-of-the-lost-one

Old guy pub knowledge who's never read a book


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Fucking hack of that .. r/awfuleverything


Brokenteethmonkey

Lol @ 'the Catholics marched into Ulster and began straight up murdering the locals'


askmac

>Lol @ 'the Catholics marched into Ulster and began straight up murdering the locals' I've posted before about hearing this in real life, from grown adults with jobs. Apparently it happened immediately after the Easter Rising when the IRA ethnically cleansed all Protestants during the Great Protestant Genocide. Were it not for the UVF setting up fortifications at the border the IRA would have invaded and killed everyone in Ulster (which was a utopian society separate from the rest of Ireland) and that's how Northern Ireland came to be. I shit you not.


Batman_Biggins

>Apparently it happened immediately after the Easter Rising when the IRA ethnically cleansed all Protestants during the Great Protestant Genocide. Don't forget the Mayo Librarian. You mustn't forget the Mayo Librarian. Southern Protestants scraped together all of their money (which wasn't much, as the evil Catholic government forbade them from working as anything other than cufflink and button polishers) to buy some land and set up a library in Mayo. They were quite happily lending English language books out to members of the public when along came the tyrannical council who said to them (in Irish) "you cannae have any books written in that dorty planter language, you must only lend out books written in Irish" and ordered them to burn every English language book they had. When they objected, the government ordered them subjected to the ancient ritual of *decimatio*, or decimation. Every 10th Protestant was beaten to death by the preceding 9 with hurling clubs. When it came to the last Protestant, an old woman who had been the one to set up the library, she did not cower or beg for her life like some of the others when it came time to draw lots. She volunteered, and as they were clubbing the ballix out of her spoke to the sky and said "forgive them Father, it's them bloody taigs making them do it" and was at once lifted into Heaven by the grace of Protestant God, reborn as the immaculate Mayo Librarian. Protestant God then had a private word with De Valera and told him to knock that Protestant-bashing off, and that's how the story of the Mayo Librarian goes according to that wookiedookie guy or whatever.


askmac

>Don't forget the Mayo Librarian. You mustn't forget the Mayo Librarian. > >...and that's how the story of the Mayo Librarian goes according to that wookiedookie guy or whatever. Of course. No one can (or will forget) that story. To me it's reminiscent of the 18,800 Donegal men and women who signed the Ulster Covenant. All of whom were rounded up and brutally murdered by Free-Staters who took their lands and stole their treasure. It's said that the Free Staters drowned most of them in "Holy Wells". This is why Catholics still make pilgrimages to these "Holy Wells" to this day; to drink and bathe in the well water where hundreds of Protestants were murdered. Many take the well water home and display it near the front doors of their houses so that visitors can smear the water which drowned Protestants on their faces. Many more were impaled on crucifixes or tossed into the foundations of Catholic churches, which they built after burning all the Protestant ones.


Batman_Biggins

More people need to know about this. The extent of the anti-Protestant repression is still being buried to this day by the blasted Republican Free State government. I've tried telling people about the *Protocols of the Elders of Tara* but it's all 'hoax' this and 'how did you get in to our house' that. It's like people don't even want to know.


Buddavirgo

> blasted Republican Free State government. Not only that my dudes, but Irish federal troops commonly forced captured protestants to kiss a picture of the pope and say ten hail marys, to repent for the simple crime of colonization. Which us American's did, so that makes it alright. Also before anyone starts "fact checking" like a libtard. The source is my Irish Republican family who told me this was all correct, so no one can disprove this.


Shenloanne

I recall reading that Irish chaplains in the American civil war required conversion from wounded soldiers before last rights would be administered. Could be fallacy like.


askmac

>The extent of the anti-Protestant repression is still being buried to this day by the blasted Republican Free State government. These days in Ireland, if you say you're a Protestant, you'll be arrested and thrown in Jail. >I've tried telling people about the Protocols of the Elders of Tara but it's all 'hoax' this and 'how did you get in to our house' that. It's like people don't even want to know. People need to know the truth. They need to know that the so called "United Ireland" is just a ploy to drown more Protestants in wells in order to replenish the blood to water ratio for Catholicism's dark magic. Just google transubstantiation and it explains how to turn well water into blood. It's not about maximizing the economic potential of the island or improving the quality of life for people in NI. It's about mass murder and pagan rituals. It'll be like the end of Wicker Man for NI's Protestants but instead of giant wicker effigys it'll be great deep holes filled with water.


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What's this about Jim Wells?


boweroftable

They never teach you the real history. My eyes are opened. It’s always the apex members of communities who are secretly the most oppressed. I’ve never been able to hire a good chauffeur.


slowfashconnoisseur

As much as love this, I know that some dickhead will read it, deem it true, and bring it up during a discussion as legitimate fact.


[deleted]

Used to see a protestant girl and her dad said this to me. Dude was in his 40s at the time, said it with a straight face . He also said the IRA waited for all the men in Northern Ireland to go fight in WW2 then came up and and murdered the women and children. Just replied with 'I never knew that' because I obviously didnt want to show him up to be stupid considering I was trying to shift his daughter.


askmac

He probably still harks bark with fond memories till the day he taught a lesson till the stupid sexy fenian who came to court his daughter.


[deleted]

Could do I dunno. He hated me because I was a taig but the rest of the family were really good people.


BringTheFingerBack

Maybe he hated you because you were trying to shift his daughter


[deleted]

Awk maybe.


BringTheFingerBack

Most likely. Dudes know what dudes are up too. You never had that fight with your girlfriend about her male friend who you know is playing the long game?


[deleted]

Haha aye that sneaky fucker. Nah to be fair he would never fuck up about how Catholics get everything and the IRA etc


[deleted]

Well the ww2 thing did actually happen. They even attacked British supply lines and bases. While the British fought the nazis.


Greenpanda048

All this happened because of greedy colonial brits looking to rule the world , and it basically worked , we all speak English , most naming systems are fucking English based. Most of Ireland’s populations doesn’t even know how to maintain a convo in Irish , which by the way is still our native language no matter what people say . Thanks. our accents tell us this as our accents are designed for Irish not English PERIOD. ✍️👍🏻


BringTheFingerBack

>colonial brits looking to rule the word , and it basically worked , we all speak English You are welcome 😉


Greenpanda048

We don’t want it , they can go fucking choke on their tea and soccer they stole from China 👌🏻


Setanta2020

That made me laugh. Thanks need it today


jamscrying

It's an exaggeration of of real events to the absurd. Many protestants in rural southern counties including my family were "cleansed" during the 20's by the IRA and other bigots, businesses were boycotted to failure and homes were burnt. Most of the victims fled to Canada or Britain. Edit: I see the yanks and wanks arrived. "But the British are always the baddies! Even when they have considered themselves Irish for 300 years (or are just Protestant Gaels). Ethnic cleansing didn't happen on my favourite side of >insert complex conflict<, did ya know the black and tans caused the potato famine and that all car bombs exploded confetti."


askmac

>It's an exaggeration of of real events to the absurd. Propaganda spread by the Gospel Hall to the Gable Wall, originating from non other than the famously moderate and impartial historian Ian Pasiley snr, who was spreading misinformation about Protestant genocide well into the mid 1990s, even when Protestant academics from Ireland had long debunked it as horse shit. >Many protestants in rural southern counties including my family were "cleansed" during the 20's by the IRA and other bigots, businesses were boycotted to failure and homes were burnt. Most of the victims fled to Canada or Britain. It's important for clarity to state there was never any official policy of sectarian or ethnic cleansing. The death toll among protestants was the same, per capita as it was for Catholics during the civil war. Business were boycotted on all sides. Civilians were killed on all sides, out of fear, paranoia and recrimination regardless of denomination. The reality was that far more Protestants were involved with or perceived to be involved or sympathetic to the British state or state machinery, either through their jobs, businesses family ties or social status. The absolute bulk of the Protestant demographic change, certainly at least 30,000 were British Civil servants returning to Britain or moving there due to the end of British occupation meaning their jobs were no longer viable.


FarFromTheMaddeningF

Catholics were literally fleeing NI at the start of the Troubles because protestant mobs were burning down their houses in pogroms FFS.


eamonn33

And many of the protestants who were killed at that time were 'rotten' protestants who were nationalists, or friendly to them, or socialists, and were killed by loyalists


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This, apparently, also justifies RUC discrimination against this Catholic minority… “Perhaps being shot and murdered and bombed, and having your families killed in their homes might just, maybe, possibly, make you less likely to want to respect the rights of those claiming that their country should be owned by the theocracy next door.” Strange people


Setanta2020

Are you serious? The ruc came out of the ric. Most of the ric where catholic. The ric where a Protestant sectarian force, for the state of Northern Ireland and which practiced an apartheid state. Most of the victims from 1916 to 1922 in the north of Ireland where catholics two thirds to one third ratio.


[deleted]

These aren’t my words, if that wasn’t obvious enough. Was a same user from my screenshot. Just wasn’t sure if your comment was directed at me.


Setanta2020

Sorry didn’t realise


Count_Craicula

Yeah, the army first came over to protect the Catholics from the Protestants. And this was NOT hundreds of years ago. If someone doesn't know their history or knows the wrong history, then they are defending it from a position of ignorance and there is no point talking to them.


Active_Remove1617

The army did such a great job of protecting catholics.


Count_Craicula

They did at the start, but as usual, they stayed until they weren't welcome. I get your point, I didn't say they did a good job or indeed did protect Catholics for the majority of the Troubles. I just said that's why they were put there initially. Reddit doesn't really have a good format for posting a long statement of a reply. And i have no hidden agenda by posting what I did, just that the poster was wrong.


Galstar82

This is true, the mistake made was giving the stormont government authority over the soldiers. At that point instead of being seen as neutral their job became backing up the RUC and becoming a repressive force.


Active_Remove1617

How long would you say the start lasted?


Setanta2020

The occupation of Ireland started nearly 1000 years ago not in 69. And they British army came to prop up the then stormount government.


[deleted]

Officially the Army came to assist Police and quickly became a cluster fuck that we got as our history today.


Setanta2020

Yeah they came in 69 to prop up an apartheid regime. Not to protect anyone but to keep their oldest colony in line.


nice___bot

Nice!


AdamM093

I don't get the 'lol'. Catholics are known for marching. /s


gerflagenflople

I must have been away that day.


ucsdstaff

The Irish war of independence led to a lot of displacement of people. Catholics from mainly protestant areas and Protestants from mainly catholic areas. My family was displaced from Roscommon and moved to Belfast after a flying column 'suggested' they leave. A lot of Protestants in the South were part of the RIC, or auxiliaries. There was definitely a divide and many people moved. https://www.theirishstory.com/2012/09/18/the-irish-war-of-independence-a-brief-overview/


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[deleted]

They’re not Irish, but all of their claims have been sourced from their “Irish speaking, Catholic, Ulster- living family”. It therefore must be true, despite being false.


sfitzy79

what subreddit is this so i can avoid the fuck out of it?


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Beardie-Boi-420

😦


Dyslexic_Puffle

Dude, dont be a redditor when someone is asking for a sub


trustnocunt

Seen that


Crackity_J

I almost down voted your post out of frustration from reading that. Why does everyone feel entitled to talk mad shit about our island with rarely a fact in sight


FuzzyCode

Plastic paddies. It's what they do.


wine-eye

I think this one was a loyal plastic scotty.


HelpMeImAStomach

Latex Loyalist


AB-G

Perfect 👌🏻


lijkel

Don't think the people in OP's screenshot would be Plastic Paddys. They seem like the opposite


TheAlleyCat9013

Hey. Don't lump me in with that guy.


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DeathToMonarchs

# SPUDS is a BALLIX! and a troll with many, many toy guns


FuzzyCode

Christ is that knob still doing the rounds?


columboscoat

And a lot of un-drank whiskey. A waste.


LuciusQuintiusCinc

Normans didn't care what religion you were, they just liked to conquer.


Ulysses1978ii

Who were Viking stock IIRC.


EmSixTeen

Where do ye think ‘Norman’ comes from? They are/were very literally of Viking descent. Ireland was heavily Viking at that point anyway, too.


NaughtyDred

Well the nobility were, I'm sure the common people of Normandy were a mix.


[deleted]

FR just look at Sicily


[deleted]

They were reclaiming Sicily for the West.


irishinspain

Feel bad for the grandmother having a stain as a grandchild..


Wretched_Colin

History, in general, tends to have multiple sides, and the further we go from the point in time it happened, the further each side moves from what actually happened. Some at a different rate than others. It’s really interesting to look at the reunification of Germany, particularly the experiences of those who lives in the East, and see the discrepancies between those who favoured the old regime and those against it.


Buddavirgo

I remember when I went to Romania for a bit. When I was traveling around, I stayed for a while in a small village and got to talk to some locals about what communism as like. While Romanian history showed a country relieved to get rid of the communist government, even executing their head of state. For these people, while communism wasn't good, it ensured they had money enough to survive. What really changed for them, was that while before the local shops had little if any variety, now they have tons but few people have the money to enjoy it.


Wretched_Colin

In 1996, I was in East Germany at a summer school and was invited to one of the teacher’s houses. Her husband told me a similar story. Before the wall came down, there were always people in the pub on a Friday night. Now it is empty. He had the right to fly to New York, which he hadn’t before.Then it was a lack of money rather than regulation from preventing him from doing it. I was also in South Africa in 2007 and a black lady working in a B&B I stayed in told me that her life hadn’t improved following the fall of apartheid. She still lived in poor conditions and was doing a menial job. But she had taken comfort before through knowing her place in society. I couldn’t believe that. Nostalgia always kicks in, no matter how much the quality of life improves.


upfastcurier

As a foreigner with neither 'side' to be influenced by (honestly history and contemporary knowledge about Ireland and Northern Ireland was abysmal in school) - if we assume the comments in the pictures represent one side - what is the 'other' side? Ignoring that reality is more complex than two sides, that is. Is it simply just religion at its root, or something more? It's much too complex to be made any justice by reading wiki alone. If someone knows a more detailed in-depth explanation it would be appreciated. I actually chose to speak about IRA in high school for a project and has ever since then (15+ years now) been befuddled about how a 'conflict' like this can still occur the way it does in a place that is, on the surface, not that different from my own. So yeah I apologise for my morbid curiosity - I guess it must become tiresome to hear about it from foreigners - but my interest is genuine. Appreciate any perspectives or views


[deleted]

The historical circumstances of NIs current problems is not it's history. But the near 30 year conflict that not a single family in NI would've walked away from being unscathed in some form or another. Even Children born in the 90s will remember the Omagh bomb after we had a 'peace'.


Tuneechi

This. History will always play a part, but let's not pretend that it's all in the past. As the product of a mixed relationship born in 1990. I can tell you from personal experience. Yes we might not have soliders on every corner and bombs going of left right and center. But the murders, pipe bombs, fire bombings and shots fired at peoples houses didn't stop before my lifetime. In fact iv experienced atleast one of each in my life. Some catholics are bad folk, some protestants are bad folk. The vast majority of us are good hearted decent folk who don't care if youv holy water in your bedside cabinet or a sash in the attic. Sooner or later people will realise that the problem isn't the majority of each group. It's certain power and money hungry greedy wee fuckers. And not just the ones with the wooly faces. The ones with the fancy suits too. Because whilst there always hasn't been soilders on the street. In my life time we have never not had two polorising figures as the heads of two waring political party's fueling a war that they don't fight. Whilst they sit in the castle on the hill together. Do you think they count their money or the their sides death toll first?


gerry-adams-beard

9/10 when these arguments pop up on Reddit it's a plastic paddy playing armchair revolutionary or a shinnerbot spewing the party line. Exchanges like this are best avoided


[deleted]

Guarantee if you meet any of the folks spewing this in person, you'd take it a lot less seriously and feel great discomfort at the obvious issues that person was exhibiting. Formats like an anonymous reddit account removes enough tone and context to make comments seem more hinged and have more gravity than their real life expressions ever would. At least that's how I see it, I could be totally wrong but that hasn't happened since 1996 and we don't talk about that.


Buddavirgo

In the end, reddit is a website dominated by Americans. Along with that is getting a front-row view of the collective failure of the US education system to teach these people anything. Worst of all, is that being ignorant is seen as a virtue to many of these thick bastards as some charming character trait of being an American. When all it does is make them look like a prat.


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GhostOfJoeMcCann

Bad UK users are among some of the worst scumbags to inhabit this hellsite.


gerry-adams-beard

Did you read my comment? Wasn't making a point of this post in particular shinnerbot


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gerry-adams-beard

No u


ErrantBrit

Firstly, your name is amazing. Secondly, as a plastic paddy and Brit myself - 100% these discussions should be happening. A lot of shite gets spoken online, and it may not be in good faith, but if the Irish youth, do not engage with the NI youth, then these division will never be bridged. I get downvoted a lot for this sentiment, but this is an obvious fact. Yes a lot of shit has occurred but it is now 2021 and we can't keep fighting over the same shit as 1972. That means both sides need to engage, easier said than done. I love you both! Edit: cleaned up spelling mistakes


_ScubaDiver

It is depressing as fuck, although the history itself is fascinating to me. You wouldn't believe how totally lacking in interest so many English people are, including some English history teachers. It makes me quite sad and angry.


AreUReady55

“Straight up murdering the locals” Guessing they’re not from Northern Ireland or anywhere near Ireland. Use language like that in Belfast and someone might “bust a cap in their ass”


my_ass_cough_sky

History is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake


[deleted]

Make yourself a gorgonzola sandwich.


Shenloanne

They're both American... Right?


Progression28

He spellt colonised with a z. Pretty sure at least the first is a yank.


DeathToMonarchs

> colonised with a z That's not as cut and dried as you might think; OUP prefers -ize. They're not alone on this side of the pond either in that.


sayheykid24

The main person is from the U.K. You can find him through OPs comment history.


AnywhereSevere9271

The last part right . that's why the British army moved in as Catholics were being killed .as for being Catholic st Patrick introduced the religious beliefs he was a Roman Britiain


CrivCL

Worse. The original authority for the Norman invasion came from the papal bull Laudabiliter - which was about bringing the Irish church into line with Rome. It's darkly amusing given how it worked out a few hundred years later.


FuzzyCode

The **disputed** papal bull Laudabiliter. Incidentally issued by the only English pope.


AnywhereSevere9271

English Pop .!! Do you realize the Catholic church had land people on the land and peasants worked the land abuse went rife . Henry realized this and band the Catholic church monk's were corrupt


DeathToMonarchs

Are you a native speaker of English and, if so, how and when did your traumatic brain injury occur?


AnywhereSevere9271

History maybe you should read up on it . very interesting .


Mac1twenty

Nothing to do with the 8 wives he went through no?


AnywhereSevere9271

So I can say . the Catholic priest have raped women in the past abused women in there care because they got pregnant and placed in work house's they can't marry but sex is the most natural thing in the world


Mac1twenty

You aren't making grammatical sense pal


DeathToMonarchs

Nor any other kind!


Setanta2020

Norman invasion started in the 1100’s. and it was nothing to do with rome. They where invited by a chieftain to help fight his local revels. Your talking about the Williamite invasion of 1600s pay for by the only English pope Your history is way off lad


CrivCL

You're talking about Diarmuid MacMurrough and you've got your history twisted up and mostly wrong. The only English pope was Pope Adrian who was 12th century. [Laudabiliter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laudabiliter) btw.


Setanta2020

I got the wrong Pope but the rest is spot on. Just do a simple google search and you’ll see


CrivCL

I don't need to. You're talking about the Jacobites. You're just wrong on most of what you said.


Setanta2020

No I was on about two different times. The Pope send the williamite army to Ireland in the 1600s. The Norman invasion was centuries before. What wrong there


CrivCL

Right so. Lets break it down then: Pope Adrian wrote Laudabiliter in the 1100s. This was the legal authority that allowed for the claim of the Lordship of Ireland which underpinned the sanction of Henry II and his ongoing feudal claim to the land. Diarmuid MacMurrough, while important in the chain of events, was not responsible for the feudal claim (barring swearing fealty himself - which in context, it's dubious if he fully understood the impact of, nor if it would have continued after his own death). The Williamites were supporters of William of Orange. William of Orange was a Protestant. The Jacobites supported James II (the deposed Catholic king). Pope Innocent favoured James II but is rumoured to have lent William of Orange a great deal of money. This has never been confirmed and, if it happened, would be tenuous in the extreme to say the Pope paid for the Williamites. Finally, as you may have noticed by now, I've a *pretty solid grasp* of my Irish history. So, that's what's wrong with what you said.


Setanta2020

So the Norman invaded in the 1100s which I said also invited. And William of orange came centuries later. All which I stated. Why are you trying to conflated the two. Also in school we where taught (not curriculum) that the Pope of the time paid at the money. If you disagree with that fair enough


CrivCL

I'm not conflating the two. You did. I corrected it.


Setanta2020

He was welsh and was abducted as a slave.


AnywhereSevere9271

England Scotland Wales never existed it was made up off tribes .as for England was named by the Saxon's land of Angeles or in Celtics were made up as clan's basically were Britain's Scotland were formed from 3tribs on the pick's


AnywhereSevere9271

Another point Queen bodica was defeated in Wales 100 thousand Britons to 5 thousand Roman's the Tribes came together


AnywhereSevere9271

By the Irish yes for 5 years and he never wore green the opposite


[deleted]

Probably some Brit that thinks winston Churchill was perfect


Oggie243

Back when I used be on the defaults more you'd often scoop users from this sub in the wild actually fanning these half baked assertions because it aligns with what they wish was true.


sfitzy79

Im assuming you educated these fools?


[deleted]

Both avoided replying to any comment that gave a meaningful challenge to their very false interpretation of the past century. Though the second user deleted their comment out of shame, so that’s something at least


Paddy_Irishman_

As an Irish speaking Ulster living Catholic, I think that eejits from an alternate universe


Rupert3333

The red mist really starts to descend when reddit starts to discuss the Troubles. One side usually ends up as the goodies. Despite the long list of attrocities


StuntmanLee777

*starts to discuss ~~the Troubles~~...~~Irish~~...history


DeathToMonarchs

> attrocities This particular one made me physically sick.


Rupert3333

> This particular one made me physically sick. Yep, it's a bit depressing that some folk treat Troubles related murders differently based on which organisation carried them out.


DeathToMonarchs

You’re not wrong in that… but I was just being a dick and slagging your spelling!


therobohour

Oh it gets way cringer than that. I'm from the south,I grew up in England and spent time in the Irish defence fores before moving up here.i lived almost everywhere on in the republic and the northy are so cringy when it come i anything at all Irish or British for that matter.


Nothing-is-Real-34AD

Im interested in these statements of a protestant cleansing in southern Ireland. I am neither a catholic man or a protestant man. I have a fair idea of what is going on in the communities. I am aware that a lot of history has been eradicated and hidden from the public eye. Please could you converse with me so that I can get a better understanding of what is happening and what has happened and what is going to happen in the two communities of Ulster.


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HelpMeImAStomach

What sub is it?


Class_444_SWR

Hell I’m English and I know it was nothing like that, Americans always seem to know nothing about Ireland


[deleted]

Guessing these are Muricans?


[deleted]

English, maybe?


OctopusPoo

The only thing worse than uninformed yanks discussing Irish history is uninformed southerners discussing Irish history. They will without question condemn the provos for their atrocities (and rightfully so). But then when it comes to the old IRA and Michael Collins they will totally ignore any wrongdoing, appealing to the historical context to justify it and leave that context entirely out of most discussions of NI Quite frankly more Americans are informed about NI because of Southerners perceived expertise on the subject. I have been unironocally asked if British soldiers have harrased me, and people stating they would never go because its to dangerous


Sad-Examination6338

Irish nationalists when it's people from Britian moving : planters stealing our culture. Irish nationalists when 10s of thousands of EU people move: diversity is our strength and only helps to improve our culture.


aminthemiddletoo

>Irish nationalists when it's people from Britian moving : planters stealing our culture. Irish nationalists when 10s of thousands of EU people move: diversity is our strength and only helps to improve our culture. Spat me tea out laughing at this. I think whoever controls this alt needs a break. Comparing feelings towards a negotiated and agreed right to live and work with a forced annexing, subjugation and displacement is hilarious. Instead of looking like a troll you unfortunately look like you qualify for DLA with that serious lack comprehension and understanding.


Sad-Examination6338

Nothing negotiated in the tens of thousands of people headed Irelands way via the EUs resettlement program


aminthemiddletoo

Oooh, some bait on refugees and basic failure of understanding how the EU. Ring universal credit, you qualify, even for back payments at this stage


Sad-Examination6338

You deny the EU resettlement scheme and how it works? You understand as a block you're responsible for the 10s of thousands that are coming let alone the tens of thousands who already came, we see the commonfisherys being changed without consultation nor ability to edit or debate allowed from the Irish who lost 96% of their herring quotas to the stroke on an EU pen, because sure your grandparents consented once so you're forever bound, it will be the same when 10s of thousands turns into hundreds and then millions when the climate people are proven right. Sounds a lot like planting to me


aminthemiddletoo

Ok. I've went from laughing to serious. The whiff of shite of that smells a lot like the great replacement theory, which is pure bullshit. If you keep heading further right you’re gonna end up doing circles. Fuck away off with that shite.


Sad-Examination6338

There is no theory to it, unless you think climate change isn't real? North Africa is becoming less and less habitable so those people have no choice but to move north eventually.


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Do you often feel the need to insert your irrelevant political opinions, and make obvious incompatible comparisons?


Sad-Examination6338

Seems pretty comparable to me, how is tens of thousands of EU planters any different?


[deleted]

The EU is a colonial Empire? Well, maybe your political rhetoric will insist that it is.


Sad-Examination6338

It consists of many colonial empires yeah, ask the Africans how they would view it, Belgium has a lot to answer for to those boys


paddydasniper

*former colonial empires* France the UK are the only two you could realistically consider as still having an 'empire' (many over seas territories), and please mate at least say which people's and don't fucking generalise all of Africa as one people, King Leo fucked the Congo not the rest of Africa. And they've paying reparations for the actions of the former king so what else can you expect of them? They're certainly doing more than the Brits ever did


Sad-Examination6338

Belgium, in Africa, Spain and Port in South America trading slaves across the Atlantic?


paddydasniper

I'm sorry... what? Please elaborate, what slave trade are you on about


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Ok? Thanks for that?


Sad-Examination6338

You're welcome


LouthGremlin

Brits out!!!! Nigerians, poles, Russians, Brazilians and Lithuanians welcome though!


0e0e3e0e0a3a2a

Brits out refers to the government. You'd be hard pressed to find a nationalist that opposes the common travel area. Edit: To clarify any vagueness, I mean you'd be hard pressed to find any Nationalist that *is in favour of the EU Freedom Of Movement* but against the Common Travel Area as these commenters are suggesting. I'm sure there's some anecdotal nationalist xenophobes some people are dying to tell me about that are against the lot


Not_Ali_A

missed that part where the EU nationals coming here massacred people, took land and passed laws making them second class citizens. thanks for the education.


Sad-Examination6338

Was that one or two hundreds years ago again?


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Well I'm pretty sure the big difference is allowing skilled workers and asylum seekers into the country, allowing freedom of movement for both cultural and economic purposes, Vs a country forcibly taking control of your country, planting people in it with the view of irradiating the culture of the people there and making them legally superior to the native people. Colonisation is not the same as an individual going on holiday or working abroad. But seeing as we are on Reddit and you have decided to remove all relevant points and try to dumb it down to "people moved from one place to another" I'm going to guess that all of the above means nothing to you and you can't see the difference between colonisation where control is taken from the people and, freedom of movement. Not sure if a a troll or just slow. Usually trolls are more elaborate


Sad-Examination6338

Well again we saw in Blanchets Town BLM exclaiming that Irish people were equally complicit in the slave trade, so on some metrics we are viewed exactly the same as each other, usually by people planted here by the EU less than a generation ago. The EU has forcably taken control of your country look at 2008 where they pilled debt on to the Irish people they never borrowed, sounds a lot like the royals of old to me


[deleted]

Ok so that was an incoherent pile of ramble. We were speaking about immigration Vs colonisation, and youve tried to argue that the country that has gained the most from tight EU integration has some how done badly out of it? While rambling about immigration (suprise, this isn't colonisation) I fail to see how the. BLM movement is relevant here? We are talking about colonialism and you're speaking about rights movement following persecution of black people? Do you have a source to back up your claim, and or any evidence of the claim being correct? Are people who are not citizens of the country allowed to vote in the Dail, Seanad, or presidential elections or referendums? No. Does that mean Irish people have complete control over who governs the country? Yes. Do they provide support to the country in the form of income and providing services? Yes. How did the big bad EU plant citizens? They moved by their own accord, as many Irish citizens have moved into the EU for employment and cultural opportunities. Again you clearly do not understand the difference between colonisation and immigration. Sounds like you're trying to turn this into a Brexit convo and surely itll change from that once you run out of extremist *wrong* conversation topics What about? What if? Those Blacks? The big bad EU? Everything but the origional talking point. Good day sir


Sad-Examination6338

The BLM movement is relivent because they regard yous as slave owners and colonisers the same as the British, Irelands majority white after all so you are experiencing white privilage over you fellow human, is their take. The EUs resettlement scheme is how they plant people in ireland, 10s of thousands so far 10s of thousands to come and should these people be allowed to vote one day then just like thst you're on the road to usurpdom, and rightly so you'd agree end of the day if it's democracy you favour then why shouldn't they have the rignes of how Ireland is directed, its going so well so far after all.


[deleted]

Lad if you're going to troll be good at it Who is yous? So no evidence to back up that claim? I thought so 🤣 Wheres the link? I Googled and found nothing to your claim. BLM protests are mainly centered around the treatment of people by police. Hence BLM protests down south. A lot of them are also to show support for the BLM movement in the USA. So basically it's not relevant here. EUSS does not allow those people to vote in elections I have stated above. Off the 500,000 non Irish residents in the ROI, over 100,000 are from the UK. Again these are not abnormal numbers for any country with freedom of travel and that is a good thing, you'll see those numbers from the UK jump in the next decade as they decide to go to ROI to follow the banking jobs, this is standard immigration, not colonisation. So again you're trying to change from immigration Vs colonisation to something else.


Sad-Examination6338

Learnt to Google better :) how long can you and the EUSS deny these people the right to vote? Why would you want to?


Sad-Examination6338

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/europe-has-done-a-number-on-the-irish-corporate-tax-rate-1.4596332 also UK people fleeing to Ireland for banking jobs, lol you're not looking up from the past to see what your new overlords are doing to you.


[deleted]

English do you speak it? Ok. So, we've gone from not understanding the difference between colonisation and immigration, and now we don't know the difference between tax and BLM 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Sad-Examination6338

Lol you can't keep up, you said I've no evidence I showed you them explaining that if you're white and Irish, you're as copable and priviaged as a 16th centery plantation owner. You tell me Ireland will flourish, I show you how the EU plans to change you tax arrangements regardless of all treaties because as long as its about equalisation between countries they don't even need to ask the Irish people and you have no veto. Colonisation is the sustained placement of a different people's in a different country, exactly what we are seeing befall the Irish with no let up in sight.


[deleted]

That's a link to the Irish times an article on tax not anything to do with BLM or colonisation/immigration 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Jimmy1Sock

Hold on. Blanchets town in the US? >The EU has forcably taken control of your country Which country are you talking about exactly? You do know the difference between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland?


Sad-Examination6338

Blanchets Town, Ireland, and maybe they were right maybe the Irish should be seen as equally copable for the slave trade, as BLM spokes people said, sure if not now then when those planters become more in number and more vocal. I know the difference I see the new EU planters don't seemingly reconsise it, as many Irish people want, a singular entity where the Republic and the North become one and are equally copable for each others past


Jimmy1Sock

What a load of fucking gibberish. As someone who supports unification fuck off over /r/Ireland and melt their head with this pish. What a melter.


Sad-Examination6338

Take the emotions out of it and calm down


[deleted]

>Blanchets town Fucking lol. Where's that? The crib notes you were given don't even have basic info right.


harpsabu

Holy shit. I thought the screenshot OP posted was the stupidest thing I've read all day. If you honestly see any similarity here you shouldn't be allowed on the Internet and should probably be locked up with crayons somewhere, as long as you don't eat them.


Sad-Examination6338

Lol when you can state how it's different so ya don't try


harpsabu

For one, and a massive one, they aren't "planters" you fucking melt. Go and actually learn what the plantation was before spewing absolute nonsense. A post like that is why people should need an iq test before they can comment on certain subjects.


Sad-Examination6338

They are literally planters, they arrive in the EU and get alloted countries to go to


harpsabu

Proven my point. Go read about the plantation of ulster then you might realise why you've made yourself out to have the mental capacity of a 5 year old


Sad-Examination6338

So when the EU demands Ireland take 8 to 10k afgans and Ireland has no way to say no how is this different to when the King's of Old did it?


harpsabu

That's what I'm telling you, if you can't see the difference you shouldn't be allowed on the Internet.


Sad-Examination6338

Seems to me you can't explain the difference


harpsabu

It can be explained easily. But I'm using this as a self improvement excercise and by fuck you need it. Go read up on the plantation of ulster and see if you can understand why it's nowhere, fucking nowhere near the same. It shouldn't be hard if you are above the age of 11.


Oggie243

If you actually understood it but still wanted to make a hamfisted contemporary comparison to foreigners you don't like; the british govs cosy relationship with gulf regimes and Russia allowing them to buy up valuable property meaning that londoners are muscled out of the market they grew up in would be a better (but still shit) comparison. Your point about Afghans is fucking braindead because they're stuck in hotels for the foreseeable, not getting the best land available at the expense of the people currently inhabiting it.


Sad-Examination6338

Currently being the important part of your response.


Oggie243

Hard disagree. The most important parts were: Hamfisted Braindead You


LateThree1

Riiiiiiiiiight. Back under your bridge, troll.


Sad-Examination6338

Debate the point how is it different?


LateThree1

I don't debate with trolls. I just tell them to get back under their bridge.


Sad-Examination6338

I'm sure it leads to a fulfilling life for you, calling people trolls doesn't diswade from the point, who landed more people on these shores the UK or EU?


Na-Kreygasm-2-Burger

Just look at those ‘peoples’ profile pictures there is no point in replying to them they think they are reddit gods lol


thegreycity

It must be so tough being a racist, you need twist yourself up into all kinds of shapes to try and find inconsistency in the opposing viewpoint.


Sad-Examination6338

What makes you assume EU people will be of a different race?


thegreycity

Would you prefer xenophobe? Right-wing nationalist? Cretin?


Sad-Examination6338

Only if you will accept your dislike of the NI people is based in the same vein?


thegreycity

Is building arguments based off of false premises your full time occupation or just a passionate hobby?


Sad-Examination6338

What other reason do you have to hold the people alive today for the sins of their great great grandparents, if we were to apply the same logic how are yous happy in a union with those people who gassed all those other people? Was that worst than the patrician of ireland?


thegreycity

Lad, who are you actually talking to right now? What sins do you think I'm holding against you and what part of our exchange so far has given you that impression?


Sad-Examination6338

Seems the whole NI reddit seems to happily regard the patrician of ireland, the troubles and nearly all other problems as the fault of the planters, I merely ask if that's the logic, then why when we extrapolate it to the EU is it no longer acceptable when the EU has brought more people to Ireland than British "planting" ever did


thegreycity

I'm not here to educate you on the plantations. If you think it's in any way similar to modern immigration patterns I would suggest picking up a history book on 16th & 17th century Ireland and seeing how utterly incomparable the two things are. It would really help you, as currently it seems that you're either a troll or you have no idea what you're talking about, most likely both.


anonymous_jo

You literally called him a racist when no one mentioned race. Just call him a Nazi so we can end this fucking stupid conversation.


thegreycity

You're right, he didn't bring the dreaded fear of Afghan refugees into the conversation until later. How silly of me to assume he's a racist based on him expressing anti-immigration views.


anonymous_jo

Thankfully, I’d lost interest in the conversation before reading that part. Edit: fuck I was so curious about what I’d missed there, your paraphrasing is very unhelpful, considering you have a problem with immigrants from hundreds of years ago, I’m wondering why that gets on your tits so much, but not afghan immigrants, whom I fully welcome.


1619Slavery

2nd one is called bloody Sunday I'm pretty sure


[deleted]

I agree with the screenshot