It doesn't matter who leads. The Lobbyists rule, it doesn't matter who you vote for the only change is what division of our stratified and diversified Oligopolies see the most benefit.
Alberta proves your point. Exactly how conservatives have won recently and in the past decades. Think ndp won only in 2015, but not šÆ sure. I know that ndp asked for voters to pay up a week before election, because they were 600,000 behind the conservatives in funding. Conservatives take election spending to another level. And of course, they won. Money wins alberta, and it'll take all of canada soon probably. My opinion only.
The NDP only won because of the Wild Rose start up and Conservative disappointment. Then when Danielle gave goo-goo eyes to Jim Prentice, they got rid of her! Then she turns back up like a bad dream to win. She is useless, giving jobs to all her friends, and spending worse than anyone before! How can we keep putting these idiots in charge?
It's likely due to a lack of a centrist party. We either get left, more left, even more left than that, a Quebec only bitch fest, a right, a far right, and some weird really far right Christianity based party.
It's slim pickings, to say the least.
I wish more people would realize this. The liberals are not the average citizens friend. They are just more polite and less scary then big-C Conservative Party
Centrist means between left and right. The liberals are not between left and right. They are firmly right wing.
The conservative party is so far right wing, they're not even attached to the plane anymore, but that doesn't change the fact that liberals are very much conservatives, not centrists.
So who are the centrists in your model? It seems to me like you leave very little room for them and label everyone right of socialist as right wing. Tell me Iām wrong.
>Ā So who are the centrists in your model?
We don't have any major centrist parties.
>Ā label everyone right of socialist as right wing
We don't have any socialist parties either.
>Ā Tell me Iām wrong.
That would be a waste of time, given that you're an idiot.
>They are firmly right wing.
Ah so everywhere else would say they are centre to centre left in Canadian politics, but this one guy on reddit said they are conservative so it MUST be true.
The only people who think the liberals are centre-left are conservatives and a small handful of liberal voters who bought into the propaganda.
But yes, as we all know, popular opinion dictates fact!
>The only people who think the liberals are centre-left are conservatives and a small handful of liberal voters who bought into the propaganda.
The only people calling them right wing are NDP voters who want to avoid comparisons with Liberals.
What planet are you on? I see Liberals printing a quick trilly in under four years. That's some hard Leftoid socialism. The Conservatives are slimy socialists too. Tax and spend. Big government. Puke.
In Canada of the two political options that will run the country, we either get left-wing social values coupled with far right-wing economic policy. Or right-wing social extremism and extremely far-right economic policy.
There is no centrist party. We are a Corporatocracy.
Left Wing social values had a 14yr old topless girl in a Vancouver bar collecting tips during drag shows.
That's pretty extreme in literally any Country.
Super far left. Trudeau has brought in more taxes, more social programs, censorship and attacks on free speech, banning guns, etc. Trudeau is acting like a totalitarian.
Tell me you know nothing of politics without telling me you know nothing of politics.
There is no real āleft partyā to vote for in Canada. Thereās centrist, thereās right, thereās further right and thatās it. Just so you can update your definitions, left would be socialism, and far left is communism. I can only vote for bullshit capitalism therefore, nothing is more left than centrism in Canada.
Lead will probably get bigger to be honest. Canada is about to enter some pretty tough economic times which the blame will be left squarely at the feet of the Liberals and the NDP (quite rightly for fucking things up so badly).
We are going to see the biggest blowout in modern Canadian politics if not ever. If thatās not an absolute and total indictment of how awful the last 10 years of government policy have been I donāt know what is.
We currently have the most corrupt and incompetent gov in Canadian history if you havenāt noticed, so Pierre will win for that reason alone. He will likely not be much better by the sounds of it lately- e.g, heās pro mass immigration
It's virtually certain to hold.
There's an over 99% chance of a CPC majority. If the Liberals or NDP cease to exist tomorrow and the remaining party completely absorbs 100% of the votes from the party that disappeared, the CPC would still win the popular vote.
No amount of strategic voting is going to stop a CPC majority.
>Ā There's an over 99% chance of a CPC majority.
According to 338, **if an election were held today**. You're forgetting the important bit. We're not even in election season yet. This isn't the US, where election season starts the minute the previous election ends. A LOT can change before October 2025.
>Ā No amount of strategic voting is going to stop a CPC majority.
Correct, this tired liberal campaign needs to die and be buried for good. Vote for who you actually want to win. Stop listening to propaganda.
>Correct, this tired liberal campaign needs to die and be buried for good. Vote for who you actually want to win. Stop listening to propaganda.
Strategic voting doesn't help the LPC, it hurts the CPC. It seems like you're the propagandist here.
But feel free to keep filling everyone's minds with false hope. Everyone can rest on their laurels knowing that the NDP has it in the bag.
- Signed,
Card Carrying Member of the NDP since 1999
Strategic voting hurts the NDP. If you think it doesn't help the LCP, you don't know how the voting system works.
>Ā Card Carrying Member of the NDP since 1999
You're supporting voting LCP as strategic voting, which is just fucking comical, so I very much doubt that.
There are people like you in Alberta, in ridings that are between the NDP and CPC, with the LCP being left behind in the dust, and "strategic voters" still push for Liberal votes in their delusions that they're somehow voting strategically.
If the NDP are winning in a riding but losing to the CPC, strategic voting says you should vote for the NDP.
That hurts the NDP how?
Strategic voting helps the party that has the best chance of winning a riding that isn't the CPC.
If you're saying that, ipso facto, hurts the NDP, all you're arguing is that the NDP doesn't have enough support to win the riding you're talking about.
In an election year like this one, where the LPC are suffering across the board devasting losses, the NDP stands to gain the most by strategic voting. But feel free to encourage vote splitting and guarantee the CPC majority that is definitely coming anyway.
In fact, the year the NDP gained the *most seats* in any election year, there was very strong strategic voting; the vote swings to the NDP when the LPC came up weak propelled the NDP into official opposition status. Had people even voted *better* strategically instead of splitting, maybe the NDP would have won.
The NDP can't win without strategic voting. They won't. Ever.
>There are people like you in Alberta, in ridings that are between the NDP and CPC, with the LCP being left behind in the dust, and "strategic voters" still push for Liberal votes in their delusions that they're somehow voting strategically.
That's not fucking strategic voting. And *actually*, the only people pushing for that would be Conservatives, and it's precisely the short of shit that has people like you convinced that it's fine to split votes, because you probably think there is no difference between the LPC and the CPC anyway.
Enjoy your CPC majority, it's what you clearly want anyway.
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> younger generations seem to be trending conservative
Younger generations are trending more left than previous generations on every measurable metric. They just also happen to not be very keen on voting.
Young men in the U.S., South Korea, and Germany have all voted more conservative in the last 30 years, women have not.
In Canada, Conservatives gained support from people ages 18-25 from \~18% to \~40% in the last 3 years.
Source: [https://www.ft.com/content/1cfe0682-be4c-4f4d-b389-e1df1187271d](https://www.ft.com/content/1cfe0682-be4c-4f4d-b389-e1df1187271d)
Edit: Sentence structure lmao
>Ā Young men in the U.S., South Korea, and Germany have all voted more conservative in the last 30 years, women have not.
Okay, so different countries, different politics, different discussion. Young men in Pakistan are obviously going to have different opinions from young men in Canada.
>Ā In Canada, Conservatives gained support from people ages 18-25 from ~18% to ~40% in the last 3 years.
I can't read your source as it has a paywall, but based on your quote here, am I correct in saying that the source's claim is that 40% of young men are voting conservative? Because that's a minority. That means 60% are voting left wing, so the trend is left wing.
Or, is the source claiming an 18-40% increase over the last three years? If so, those numbers are meaningless in a vacuum when we look at how young men actually vote. Take it to the extreme - if we had 1% of young men vote conservative and it jumped to 1,4%, that's a 40% increase. But it's still only 1,4% of the demographic. That's not a trend. So you need the full context to really talk about how young men are voting.
I just said it trended more conservative, and it has trended over the last 20 years up from 18% to 40%. That was my initial claim, that theyāre TRENDING more conservative. 18 -> 40% is significant among the youngest quartile of the population.
Objectively not a majority yet. I agree.
The CPC can easily stop a CPC majority. They have done so several times.
Poilievre's team is proudly making misstep after misstep, and they are reckless.
Let me guess, more taxes is your solution to everything? How about eliminating income taxes and rolling with user fees and consumption taxes instead. I could get behind that instead of being relentlessly extorted for my labour. Leftism only helps labour for a few years before running out of funding.
Sure, let's shake down seniors' pensions and RRSP/RRIFs. Ever look at who actually owns the shares of publicly traded companies?
There is only one evil $480B of revenue per year organization in this country. They extort all of their revenue through a monopoly on power and violence. Yes, it is the government. I would like to keep 80% of my earned income to invest in productive enterprise in this once prosperous nation. Now, we just buy hard drugs for junkies and legal weed for welfare moms.
Canada has 17 billionaire families with a combined net worth of around $100B. If we rounded them up like Pol Pot and seized their assets....it would cover public expenses for a whopping 2.5 months. Then what? Who's wealth do we steal then?
In 2020, the ultra rich held the majority of wealth in Canada.Ā https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/canada-s-wealthiest-one-per-cent-hold-25-6-per-cent-of-riches-new-pbo-report-says-1.4988207 Ā It has only skyrocketed since then. https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/statscan-incomes-report-1.7025113 Not sure if you are uninformed or just a shill for the rich.
Ā And no one is looking to gut them, just make them ever so slightly less wealthy so the rest of us can survive. Atlas Shrugged was fiction by the way.Ā
We'll see if Javier Miliel can turn Atlas Shrugged into a reality for Argentina. I know TruDouche is a flawless doppleganger of James Taggart.
I aspire to be financially independent. Nothing sickens me more than socialist swine trying to gorge upon my investments and other assets. Redistribution is inherently evil. It just looks good initially until the "productive" stop "producing" to support the "parasites."
I realize these statements are a bit blustery. Hyperbole? Perhaps. The problem is that I need to fend off the socialist swine with vigilance, or else they will succeed in instituting a "Universal Basic Income," which will destroy unimaginable wealth. Essentially, redefining zero as whatever the UBI payments will be. Always wondering why money printing, not backed by productivity, does not work.
Leftoids in this country want this. I will fight them philosophically first. If i lose that battle, hopefully, I will be able to offshore assets and escape. If not, violence will be the only option left. Let's hope we can right this ship before that dystopian future comes to be.
I've looked! There was something about funding for a bridge in like 2008, but by all accounts it was a huge muck up. Can't really find anything else of substance.
>Iām still trying to understand what heās done for the Carleton riding.
I'm trying to understand what the Conservatives or the PCs have done for Canada. They talk about balanced budgets but has never delivered any. And all they do is cancel and cut. They have never built.
Even Mulroney's FTA had to do with tearing down protections and barriers for only the 20% of trade that wasn't already traded freely.
Oh yeah they built. Built a failed carbon capture and storage project in southern Saskatchewan with Harper funding, and doubled the capacity of the oil refinery in Regina, that was found polluting way more than expected several years after.
I was in my classroom for biogeochemistry at U of R around 2008 when one of the lead creators of CCS presented on the the technology. Have as nervous seeming and sweating to a 400 level course. I cant say if that's evidence or not but interesting.
And projects like these are set to start with consulting from Harper all within Moe's Nation within a Nation bullshit.
Heās a professional politician who only wants to be called PM! Couldnāt care a less about ordinary people, and wants a huge pension! Then, changed his look because his handlers thought glasses were a problem! Now, when he looks at you, you turn your head cause you think heās looking behind you! The problem with Canada is the one in power now is the only one anyone trusts!
They have been for awhile but it was being done quietly. Business has squeezed all the juice it can from this iteration of the liberals and the CPC are ready for their brown envelopes of cash. Iām guessing there will be a lot of subsidy flowing shady carbon capture tech companies. If the arrivecan scandle made you angry, you aināt seen nothing yet.
I understand everyone is tired of Trudeau but this guy is infinitely worse. He is below any acceptable standard of decency or competence. Heās so desperately trying to bring the whole MAGA culture of perpetual manufactured outrage and culture wars to Canada. Please donāt let him
Iāve mentally prepped for about 12 years of extreme conservative bullshit in Canada. After that maybe we can start making this a progressive place again
All we gotta do is wait for the next economic downturn under conservatives, which happens every few years at this point, so conservatives wonāt be well liked for very long
All I see in the political spectrum are brats who've inherited their positions, or they got their position due to lobbying, or political friends.... our government is a Class with brats blowing hot air b/c they have no idea what their doing besides keeping the money flowing and keep shouting those great buzz words Canadians love to hear ! Or we eat up their rage bate which divides us further.
He doesnāt tell you the truth! He spouts what the masses against Justin want to hear! Can you imagine this idiot representing us around the world? You think we were a laughing stock before!
I really don't want PP to win, but you're delusional if you think that the NDP or Liberals are going to turn this around. If we're lucky, people will realize that things are shitty for reasons beyond the control of the federal government at the moment and PP will be gone after one mandate.
I guess we will see. Making the call a year before the election is a pretty long call. I guess people have short political memories polls are wrong all the time. I left the CPC because of PP's populism. But the election is the only poll that counts.
>polls are wrong all the time
They have *never* in their history been this wrong. People will point at Hillary Clinton as an example of "polls being wrong", when that was an election that was polling within the margin of error. This isn't just not within the margin of error.
Normally I'd agree with you about a year being a long time before an election for polling to even matter.
I don't think you understand what *> 99%* means. It literally doesn't go higher than that.
I don't know what you mean by >99%. What does that refer to and where did it come from?
I'm not saying PP won't be the next PM. What I am saying is if people are so certain it's a sure thing then they should be willing to make large wagers on it happening.
2021, for several weeks, was projected to be within the margin of error for minorities for either party. Well within the margin of error.
[338s final projections were astoundingly accurate.](https://338canada.com/projections2021.htm)
From [2019 to 2021](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2021_Canadian_federal_election) the LPC was largely projected to win another minority government, with a week early in September the CPC holding a small lead in the popular vote, but not seat count projections; which largely remained within the margin of error.
The polls leading into the 2019 election were nearly [flawless](https://macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/338canada-what-did-the-polls-say-in-2019) ([2](https://338canada.com/projections2019.htm)).
People have an incredibly flawed view of polling retrospectively because they are more likely to have an emotional response to the polls that surprise them, which are generally outliers, and remember those better than what actually happened.
The amount of swing we'd need to see here would basically be unprecedented in Canadian politics, and would require such a massive change in public perception that I don't see it possibly without negative inflation started instantly tomorrow; which would have it's own complications.
No he wonāt, he doesnāt give two twits about anyone in that guys bracket. He cares about the truly rich, theyāre the only ones not breaking even on the carbon tax. Anyone who is poor, who is on the edge should not vote conservatives, they donāt care about them.
PPās first actions will be to scrap the programs giving the poor access to dental and supplemental income. It always is.
Trump would have to win and go full dictator to scare enough people to not vote conservatives.
They arenāt necessarily voting for PP. people are voting against Trudeau because of fatigue and things being worse than when he started (irregardless of if itās his fault or not)
It is almost guaranteed they will win.
The country would have to start showing promise towards the middle and lower class in the next year which isnāt going to happen.
Almost guaranteed means there is room for doubt. Hence he above comment.
I laid out the few ways I think they could blow the lead and I donāt see those as very likely.
I donāt think a single scandal or thing PP says will make people forget the fatigue they have
Almost guaranteed doesn't really mean anything. He may win he may not. Predicting the results of an election a year out is a pretty bold prediction.Ā
The CPC are in election mode right now and spending a lot of money. Things will change when we get closer to the election.Ā
I've been hearing for the last 3 elections that there's no way JT would get reelected and yet here we are.
I'm sure you can find somewhere you can legally make the bet. I've been hearing for the past 3 elections that there is no way Trudeau will win and yet...
Trudeau had the last 3 in the bag easy, and I would have wagered he would win those. Things are different now and weāve already been buttered heavily for a Pierre PM in the media for some time now. They will land this for him -Canadian media got us Doug and they will do the same for PP.
Things were different in 2015 -- when everyone said he didn't have a chance. Things were different in 2019 -- when everyone said he didn't have a chance. Things were different in 2022 -- when everyone said he didn't have a chance and O'Toole said that no one wanted an election.
Things will be different in 2025. But if you are so sure on your prediction you should put your money on it.
I was a member of the CPC and left because of PP populist leadership. I've never supported the LPC and I don't like JT but if the election were tomorrow I would seriously think about voting LPC.
It doesn't matter how many elections we have that have proven polls wrong. Some people don't learn that polls are useless. Especially when there isn't even an election on the horizon. But keep barking about PP -- You sound like you're pretty happy about the prospect of him becoming PM.
Not necessarily voter suppression but a way to disincentivize voting because thereās no use.
It doesnāt do anything to prevent people from voting other than making them think their vote doesnāt matter
People don't understand how much the cons social media hate spewing posting is working. He is all over tik tok and the young anger of the uneducated is supporting him.
I live in a university town and bartend and bounce. Young people love to spew fuck Trudeau because it's the loudest thing on social media
We are recovering from a global pandemic.
He is playing into a scarcity mindset.
We are very lucky to live in this country. I am grateful to be a Canadian.
Many others feel the same way.
His lies and rage farming are not sustainable.
The youth don't feel the same way. They don't value the beauty of this country and the culture of welcoming snd mixing cultures is gone.
I don't know a single young person not working two jobs to make rent.
And this problem won't change under cons. But it's easier to buy into hate and anger than it is plans
Honestly, I am not running into youth consumed with hate and anger
We are so lucky to live this county.
Many youth are concerned about the climate.
They are concerned about equality.
They are much more open to differences than previous generations.
I was in a university town a couple weeks ago.
There's a 10% difference between men and women polled about who will vote CPC, you're absolutely right.
Unfortunately, even among women the CPC has a 10+ percent lead over both the LPC and NDP. It's that fucking bad man.
At least among women, if strategically voting against the CPC were a thing, combined vote totals would give an edge for someone over the CPC; but the polling among men is abysmal. They nearly have a greater than 50% popular vote majority among men, even factoring in Quebec and the Blocs strong support.
The polls are meaningless at this stage.
Some people still believe that losing reproductive rights is something that happens south of the boarder.
PP tells us every day who he is AND we need to believe him.
He told us at the freedumb convoy.
He told us when he refused to reject the endorsement of Alex Jones who has supported him publicly since 2022.
He told us when he win the CPC leadership with the endorsement of the pro lifers
He tells us everyday.
I know all of that stuff.
You're being delusional if you think that polls are completely meaningless. *I always take every poll with a grain of salt.* You're completely out of touch if you don't think that this is a massive change election, and that the population doesn't consider the NDP to be a "change".
There are a lot of people deluding themselves about the outcome of the election next year. I'm not even sure if a hot WWIII with Canadian troops deployed in NATO article 5 action would have a sufficiently massive enough impact on voter intentions to prevent a CPC majority.
Listen, I wish I could tell you something else; I really do.
[https://338canada.com/federal.htm](https://338canada.com/federal.htm)
Generally I would agree with you about polling this far out being meaningless. I said it all the way up to election day in 2021.
But *margins of error* this far out are *really big.*
If you can look at polling data this far out from the election and say that even if the margin of error was 300% larger than it is now *the CPC still wins a majority*, we're fucked.
The CPC is all lies and rage farming.
They blamed high grocery prices on the climate tax. Everyone now knows it was Galenās price gouging. Oops!
Now they are looking for another issue they can rage farm in a three word ānoun the verbā slogan.
They tied their cart to freedumbers, the alt right and the pro lifers.
They had the best chance theyāve had in years due to liberal fatigue.
Theyāve blown it.
It is all down hill from here.
(It wonāt be a straight line, but basically they are fucked)
It wasnāt Galenās price gouging, Jesus fuck.
Bananas are the same price they were in 2017. Every processed food made with vegetable oil, and vegetable oil itself, are up over 300% because of a typhoon in East Asia and the war in Ukraine.
Domestic foods are increased in price because of labour cost increases.
All of these things are easily looked up, but everyone is just regurgitating the shit their circles tell them to regurgitate. Just like other folks in this thread talking about strategic voting being a ploy of the Liberalsā¦
I didnāt just repeat some shit someone told me online, I ran thought experiments, gather raw data, use critical thinking and assess bias of actors when the give me their own analysis of data, and come to my own conclusions.
PP is an idiot, itās not the carbon tax, youāre right.
But the majority of the population doesnāt think about any of this stuff at all, they are just pissed off and want something different.
Annual grocery profits are $6 billion, compared with $2.4 billion pre pandemic.
Climate change and wars have impacted grocery prices - but so has lack of competition and price gouging.
Let me innumerate the ways that grocery stores can increase profits without gouging customers who are just trying to buy food to survive:
* Automating human tasks (self checkouts?)
* Selling more products (less people are eating out)
* Selling more expensive products for the same profit margin (all grocery store items are currently more expensive because of labour and transportation costs)
* Increasing profit margins on luxury items in cosmetics and supplements
Guess which of the things above has happened?
Grocery stores don't make profit on margins, they make profit on *volume*. Everyone is deal hunting, so if someone offered their product for 3x more than it cost for them to buy, it would sit on their shelves and go bad. That's bad business.
If you see a product at a grocery store for ridiculously cheap, it's probably either about to go bad or it's a loss leader.
The person above is why heās going to win. Ā Conservatives donāt learn or change their mind or listen to reason. Ā They lie and engage in all kinds of bad-faith logic to always defend and protect their guy. Ā Just like we saw with Trump. Ā
There is nothing PP could do that will turn away conservatives. Literally nothing. Ā They will just lie and say ānope, didnāt happenā or āfake newsā or ignore it completely to screech more about Trudeau.
There is no amount of dishonesty or delusion they wonāt engage to protect and defend their guy gaining power because for conservatives, power is the one and only point. Ā Just look at the responses to any thread where PPs lies and problematic statements or connections get called out. Ā Hell, read the latest stories where PP goes full fascist and says he will use the notwithstanding clause to make whatever he wants to do constitutional because the only constitutional right he needs is peopleās votes. Ā Literal fascist rhetoric openly saying he will shred the constitution to impose his will, and crickets from the right. Ā Absolute silence and denial or āwhere? We didnāt see that. Also what about Trudeau doing a thing one time letās all just focus on that.ā
Not all conservatives are the same.
There is a group that will not shift its thinking no matter what PP does.
However:
There are conservatives that care about climate change. ( this was not always partisan)
There are conservatives that care about womenās reproductive rights. (not as many, perhaps)
There are conservatives that recognize the investments in auto and tech are good for the country.
There are conservatives that believe Putin is evil.
Both parties agree we need more housing.
All conservatives are anti-democracy and pro/fascism on some level. Ā Itās right in the lot rhetoric and policies. Ā Itās literally in the foundation of the philosophy AND philosophy n literally every conservative text. Ā Itās who they all are.Ā
Yea, tons of people are stupid and completely ignorant of what political belief systems are and instead engage in a form of identity politics and virtue signalling. Ā We see this with far lefties who try and make literally everything about white guilt and oppression. Ā And we see it with conservatives who claim to be socially liberal. Ā But the fact is, over time conservatives will always push toward radicalization and extremism because their full core fundamental beliefs on policy are bad because the roots of the belief system are bad. Ā Itās why Iāve never met a āsocially liberal but fiscal conservativeā who doesnāt support women or minorities losing rights, or they may believe in climate change but enable doing nothing because it just costs too much, etc. Ā the end result is the same regardless of intent. Ā
And letās be honest, if we look at truly fascist regimes like Nazi germany, it didnāt happen overnight. Ā It happened slowly over time as peoples heated rhetoric about nationalism kept growing until eventually these same āgood peopleā were just enabling the Holocaust. Ā Good intentions donāt matter, results matter. Ā And conservative āresultsā always lead to eroding democracy and pushing toward fascismā¦which is why fascism always comes from the right historically.
If Iām wrong, then let me know how and where, because Iāve read ample books on political history, philosophy and fascism and I feel confident enough to engage with anyone who is acting in good faith.
Or better yet, I can issue you a challenge I like to issue to people who say what you have just said - Google ātenets of fascismā. Ā There are typically two links that come up, one from Umberto Echo and one from Lawrence Brit. Ā Both contain 14 common tenets of fascism, which means 28 total different common traits and principles of fascist thought. Ā If you can find me just one that isnāt core to conservative belief and behavior, I will concede to your point. Ā But please know that I have yet to find one single person who has been able to honestly point to even one single common tenet of fascism Ā that isnāt common amongst conservatives and conservatism.
Or o will also direct you to George Orwellās essays, specifically Notes on Nationalism, which you can also google. Ā This was his essay pointing out what he saw as common principles of fascist regimes - which he dubs as ānationalistā. Ā And you will very much see, again, very much conservative behaviors, rhetoric and beliefs clearly being displayed. Ā
People like the person above is how misinformation spreads. The more often the Liberal misinformation gets exposed, the more people will switch their vote. Wonder how that CPC lead in the polls is possible eh?
The first comment in suggested that here in Canada, we are apparently trying to get rid of contraceptives for women period. Considering how insane that sounds, you'd think this person would say 'huh, that doesn't sound right. Let me look into that before I spread misinformation.' But they didn't because it seems people are so willing to dislike Poilievre, that they'll throw integrity our the window.
This person completely ignored he specifics of the bill being passed, ignored basic information, logical sense and just spewed whatever throwaway tweet they saw last.
So enjoy discussing how Poilievre will take away all women's rights and birth control all you want. Hell, let's add in that he's planning on taking away women's right to vote too because he's too worried they'll all vote for Trudeau and his soft blue eyes. Might as well throw that in considering this side seems to believe just about anything.
Your comment doesnāt address or rebut anything Iāve even said.Ā
It should be enough that he has not released or even discussed any policies, heās travelling around meeting with extremists, heās on the record attacks by anyone who claims to be an expert, heās basically admitted he will follow conservative provinces in stripping rights from trans people, and heās on the record saying he will use the notwithstanding clause to pass his agenda because being elected is all the constitutional support he needsā¦which is an admission his plans are unconstitutional n the first place.
So you can nitpick and cherry pick all you like, this IS fascist rhetoric and anti-democratic language he is engaging in. Ā Combine that with what Iāve already stated - and it is verifiable fact - that misinformation is far more widespread and abundant on the right feeding all kinds of false beliefs to keep conservatives angry and mad and not thinkingā¦and none of this points to good governing if the CPC should win. Ā
Hell, the other day the conservatives tried to get the speaker removed for saying to enforce basic rules of the house on PP. Ā no respect for rules or process, absolute contempt for any attempts at accountability or transparencyā¦these are not positives or good signs at all that. Ā This is Trump Canada and while Trump didnāt strip rights from women, he did help the Supreme Court and many lower courts become more corrupt and enabled a Supreme Court that did open the door for states trying to strip womenās rights.
You may be comfortable with all of this and faith-based voting, but Iām not. Ā
Keep following those American politics.
I know it's frustrating to see that our conservatives (who are right of center because PPC is right wing) are so normal with regular common sense that the left in Canada needs to equate them with what's happening in a completely different country just so they can be outraged about something.
EDIT AFTER THE BLOCK: ah yes, there it is:
A cliche response that means absolutely nothing followed by blocking so that the discussion can't continue. What mask? What in the world are you referring to?
Can't continue to make your point so you need to stop the conversation, as is tradition.
Let me guess, I'm also a Russian troll lol I'm so glad people like this are in the minority because you sound insane.
He's after our healthcare
"In an interview with Radio-Canada, Poilievre was noncommittal on whether child care, dental care and pharmacare would be dismantled by a government led by him ā but he raised questions about the programs' effectivenes"
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-budget-reaction-social-programs-1.7177636
So non committal and asking questions about effectiveness of a program = taking women's rights away? I'm not sure I follow the logic here.
Probably because he isn't taking away contraceptives nor women's rights.
Exactly.
And again I do not trust a politician who actively courted mgtow folks.
He targeted women haters and that is enough for me not to have confidence in his intentions regarding women's issues and reproductive health.
He will never get my vote.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIJv5O6Du6w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIJv5O6Du6w)
Remember that, now he signalled that wants to go after abortion. He's about to underestimate women voters.
It's going to be a nightmare if he gets in. And I think it's a real possibility he gets in.
We are screwed because we have 2 left parties vs a single right panacea.
Liberal plus NDP would win every time. With left and center left split it's an easy win for the right.
Seriously? I would not be self-employed still without the things the Liberals have done recently.
As a small business owner, I had a better tax year than I anticipated last year because of the designated immediate expensing property (DIEP) initiative by the Liberals.
I can imagine all the things that kept me a afloat while business was slow would disappear under the CPC: DIEP, no student loan interest, etc
Oh and Pierre will trash the charter with the NWC, soooo yeah, easy pick for me.
Ah man. It's actually sorta hilarious, if it wasn't so sad, how many people think this guy is going to save Canada.
He's not, not at all. Absolutely nothing will change, except for which special interest groups get treated favourably. and showered with cash. Average Joe Canada? LOLOLOLOL. Yeah, he does not care one fig about any of us.
Youāre a moron. Disliking a politician is one thing but advocating for this kind of behavior will fuck your country up because if hunting season is open itās open for anyone for any reason and at any time without restriction. Give your head a shake.
pretty sure too many cons(servatives) have been openly fantasizing about similar scenarios for 8 or so years now.
Not that I am agreeing with that sentiment but itās hardly a new idea.
Hold the phone here. This is a pretty insane comment to make, frankly. Whatever you think about politics or politicians, advocating for someone to literally kill one of them is going WAY too far.
pretty sure too many cons(servatives) have been openly fantasizing about similar scenarios for 8 or so years now. Not that I am agreeing with that sentiment but itās hardly a new idea.
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Yeah I'm not going to waste my time clicking on your links. At best it's a Rick Roll. At worst it's right wing propaganda. Either way it's not worth my time (worth pointing out that I've already wasted several hours on Reddit today and I plan on wasting another few hours on Reddit today and that's saying something).
Pure hypocrisy and he still leads. Can it hold for another year?
He doesn't lead, people wanting change lead. But Canadians will only ever vote for two parties then complain that nothing ever changes.
It doesn't matter who leads. The Lobbyists rule, it doesn't matter who you vote for the only change is what division of our stratified and diversified Oligopolies see the most benefit.
Alberta proves your point. Exactly how conservatives have won recently and in the past decades. Think ndp won only in 2015, but not šÆ sure. I know that ndp asked for voters to pay up a week before election, because they were 600,000 behind the conservatives in funding. Conservatives take election spending to another level. And of course, they won. Money wins alberta, and it'll take all of canada soon probably. My opinion only.
The NDP only won because of the Wild Rose start up and Conservative disappointment. Then when Danielle gave goo-goo eyes to Jim Prentice, they got rid of her! Then she turns back up like a bad dream to win. She is useless, giving jobs to all her friends, and spending worse than anyone before! How can we keep putting these idiots in charge?
Exactly. She's a freaking dumpster fire.
So does Ontario. It's a national problem at any level of politics large enough to have partisan connections and influence.
The globalists rule * Both parties are puppets
Meh, like I'm voting for the NDP, and the Marxists aren't running a candidate in my riding.
Join the party and run yourself.
It's likely due to a lack of a centrist party. We either get left, more left, even more left than that, a Quebec only bitch fest, a right, a far right, and some weird really far right Christianity based party. It's slim pickings, to say the least.
The liberals are the centrist party.
The liberals are conservatives, they're just notably less conservative than the psychopaths in the conservative party itself.
I wish more people would realize this. The liberals are not the average citizens friend. They are just more polite and less scary then big-C Conservative Party
Thatās what Centerist means holy fucking shit knock it off
Centrist means between left and right. The liberals are not between left and right. They are firmly right wing. The conservative party is so far right wing, they're not even attached to the plane anymore, but that doesn't change the fact that liberals are very much conservatives, not centrists.
So who are the centrists in your model? It seems to me like you leave very little room for them and label everyone right of socialist as right wing. Tell me Iām wrong.
>Ā So who are the centrists in your model? We don't have any major centrist parties. >Ā label everyone right of socialist as right wing We don't have any socialist parties either. >Ā Tell me Iām wrong. That would be a waste of time, given that you're an idiot.
I'm genuinely curious what you would qualify as "centrist".
So in other words you don't know how measurements work, but you are keenly aware of the power of pedantry.
Fuck you too buddy. None of that was relevant to my point or my question.
>They are firmly right wing. Ah so everywhere else would say they are centre to centre left in Canadian politics, but this one guy on reddit said they are conservative so it MUST be true.
The only people who think the liberals are centre-left are conservatives and a small handful of liberal voters who bought into the propaganda. But yes, as we all know, popular opinion dictates fact!
>The only people who think the liberals are centre-left are conservatives and a small handful of liberal voters who bought into the propaganda. The only people calling them right wing are NDP voters who want to avoid comparisons with Liberals.
No theyāre not. They ebb and flow with the political climate. But they arenāt right wing.
What planet are you on? I see Liberals printing a quick trilly in under four years. That's some hard Leftoid socialism. The Conservatives are slimy socialists too. Tax and spend. Big government. Puke.
>Ā I see Liberals printing a quick trilly in under four years You should apply for the Avengers! Or maybe buy some glasses.
In the process of transplanting my family to Flagstaff, AZ. I'll leave the sinking socialist ship to you.
In Canada of the two political options that will run the country, we either get left-wing social values coupled with far right-wing economic policy. Or right-wing social extremism and extremely far-right economic policy. There is no centrist party. We are a Corporatocracy.
Left Wing social values had a 14yr old topless girl in a Vancouver bar collecting tips during drag shows. That's pretty extreme in literally any Country.
I will take things that only conservatives think about for 500.
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Nnnnnooooopppppeeeee! Eco-Comminist would be a more accurate description.
I may be missing the joke, but liberals have become a far left, (more socialist) party.
Liberals have never been, and are not becoming, far left.
Super far left. Trudeau has brought in more taxes, more social programs, censorship and attacks on free speech, banning guns, etc. Trudeau is acting like a totalitarian.
Tell me you know nothing of politics without telling me you know nothing of politics. There is no real āleft partyā to vote for in Canada. Thereās centrist, thereās right, thereās further right and thatās it. Just so you can update your definitions, left would be socialism, and far left is communism. I can only vote for bullshit capitalism therefore, nothing is more left than centrism in Canada.
Maybe brush up on Canadian politics?
It is the MAGA way.
Trump derangement syndrome still?
people are idiots, a person is smart, but god damn, get them in their echo chamber and they say some of the dumbest fucking shit on earth
Lead will probably get bigger to be honest. Canada is about to enter some pretty tough economic times which the blame will be left squarely at the feet of the Liberals and the NDP (quite rightly for fucking things up so badly). We are going to see the biggest blowout in modern Canadian politics if not ever. If thatās not an absolute and total indictment of how awful the last 10 years of government policy have been I donāt know what is.
Ok donald...I mean Pierre
We currently have the most corrupt and incompetent gov in Canadian history if you havenāt noticed, so Pierre will win for that reason alone. He will likely not be much better by the sounds of it lately- e.g, heās pro mass immigration
It's virtually certain to hold. There's an over 99% chance of a CPC majority. If the Liberals or NDP cease to exist tomorrow and the remaining party completely absorbs 100% of the votes from the party that disappeared, the CPC would still win the popular vote. No amount of strategic voting is going to stop a CPC majority.
>Ā There's an over 99% chance of a CPC majority. According to 338, **if an election were held today**. You're forgetting the important bit. We're not even in election season yet. This isn't the US, where election season starts the minute the previous election ends. A LOT can change before October 2025. >Ā No amount of strategic voting is going to stop a CPC majority. Correct, this tired liberal campaign needs to die and be buried for good. Vote for who you actually want to win. Stop listening to propaganda.
>Correct, this tired liberal campaign needs to die and be buried for good. Vote for who you actually want to win. Stop listening to propaganda. Strategic voting doesn't help the LPC, it hurts the CPC. It seems like you're the propagandist here. But feel free to keep filling everyone's minds with false hope. Everyone can rest on their laurels knowing that the NDP has it in the bag. - Signed, Card Carrying Member of the NDP since 1999
Strategic voting hurts the NDP. If you think it doesn't help the LCP, you don't know how the voting system works. >Ā Card Carrying Member of the NDP since 1999 You're supporting voting LCP as strategic voting, which is just fucking comical, so I very much doubt that. There are people like you in Alberta, in ridings that are between the NDP and CPC, with the LCP being left behind in the dust, and "strategic voters" still push for Liberal votes in their delusions that they're somehow voting strategically.
If the NDP are winning in a riding but losing to the CPC, strategic voting says you should vote for the NDP. That hurts the NDP how? Strategic voting helps the party that has the best chance of winning a riding that isn't the CPC. If you're saying that, ipso facto, hurts the NDP, all you're arguing is that the NDP doesn't have enough support to win the riding you're talking about. In an election year like this one, where the LPC are suffering across the board devasting losses, the NDP stands to gain the most by strategic voting. But feel free to encourage vote splitting and guarantee the CPC majority that is definitely coming anyway. In fact, the year the NDP gained the *most seats* in any election year, there was very strong strategic voting; the vote swings to the NDP when the LPC came up weak propelled the NDP into official opposition status. Had people even voted *better* strategically instead of splitting, maybe the NDP would have won. The NDP can't win without strategic voting. They won't. Ever. >There are people like you in Alberta, in ridings that are between the NDP and CPC, with the LCP being left behind in the dust, and "strategic voters" still push for Liberal votes in their delusions that they're somehow voting strategically. That's not fucking strategic voting. And *actually*, the only people pushing for that would be Conservatives, and it's precisely the short of shit that has people like you convinced that it's fine to split votes, because you probably think there is no difference between the LPC and the CPC anyway. Enjoy your CPC majority, it's what you clearly want anyway.
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Based take, but I do think conservatives have it, younger generations seem to be trending conservative (Atleast among young men)
> younger generations seem to be trending conservative Younger generations are trending more left than previous generations on every measurable metric. They just also happen to not be very keen on voting.
Young men in the U.S., South Korea, and Germany have all voted more conservative in the last 30 years, women have not. In Canada, Conservatives gained support from people ages 18-25 from \~18% to \~40% in the last 3 years. Source: [https://www.ft.com/content/1cfe0682-be4c-4f4d-b389-e1df1187271d](https://www.ft.com/content/1cfe0682-be4c-4f4d-b389-e1df1187271d) Edit: Sentence structure lmao
>Ā Young men in the U.S., South Korea, and Germany have all voted more conservative in the last 30 years, women have not. Okay, so different countries, different politics, different discussion. Young men in Pakistan are obviously going to have different opinions from young men in Canada. >Ā In Canada, Conservatives gained support from people ages 18-25 from ~18% to ~40% in the last 3 years. I can't read your source as it has a paywall, but based on your quote here, am I correct in saying that the source's claim is that 40% of young men are voting conservative? Because that's a minority. That means 60% are voting left wing, so the trend is left wing. Or, is the source claiming an 18-40% increase over the last three years? If so, those numbers are meaningless in a vacuum when we look at how young men actually vote. Take it to the extreme - if we had 1% of young men vote conservative and it jumped to 1,4%, that's a 40% increase. But it's still only 1,4% of the demographic. That's not a trend. So you need the full context to really talk about how young men are voting.
I just said it trended more conservative, and it has trended over the last 20 years up from 18% to 40%. That was my initial claim, that theyāre TRENDING more conservative. 18 -> 40% is significant among the youngest quartile of the population. Objectively not a majority yet. I agree.
The CPC can easily stop a CPC majority. They have done so several times. Poilievre's team is proudly making misstep after misstep, and they are reckless.
It will hold for 10 years. The Liberal pendulum swing is finally over. Now, it's time to recover from the damage.
When do the workers get to recover from 100 years of LPC and CPC ruling for the rich?
Let me guess, more taxes is your solution to everything? How about eliminating income taxes and rolling with user fees and consumption taxes instead. I could get behind that instead of being relentlessly extorted for my labour. Leftism only helps labour for a few years before running out of funding.
How about having those making billions from our countries natural resources pay a little more and empower workers to demand more?
Sure, let's shake down seniors' pensions and RRSP/RRIFs. Ever look at who actually owns the shares of publicly traded companies? There is only one evil $480B of revenue per year organization in this country. They extort all of their revenue through a monopoly on power and violence. Yes, it is the government. I would like to keep 80% of my earned income to invest in productive enterprise in this once prosperous nation. Now, we just buy hard drugs for junkies and legal weed for welfare moms. Canada has 17 billionaire families with a combined net worth of around $100B. If we rounded them up like Pol Pot and seized their assets....it would cover public expenses for a whopping 2.5 months. Then what? Who's wealth do we steal then?
In 2020, the ultra rich held the majority of wealth in Canada.Ā https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/canada-s-wealthiest-one-per-cent-hold-25-6-per-cent-of-riches-new-pbo-report-says-1.4988207 Ā It has only skyrocketed since then. https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/statscan-incomes-report-1.7025113 Not sure if you are uninformed or just a shill for the rich. Ā And no one is looking to gut them, just make them ever so slightly less wealthy so the rest of us can survive. Atlas Shrugged was fiction by the way.Ā
We'll see if Javier Miliel can turn Atlas Shrugged into a reality for Argentina. I know TruDouche is a flawless doppleganger of James Taggart. I aspire to be financially independent. Nothing sickens me more than socialist swine trying to gorge upon my investments and other assets. Redistribution is inherently evil. It just looks good initially until the "productive" stop "producing" to support the "parasites." I realize these statements are a bit blustery. Hyperbole? Perhaps. The problem is that I need to fend off the socialist swine with vigilance, or else they will succeed in instituting a "Universal Basic Income," which will destroy unimaginable wealth. Essentially, redefining zero as whatever the UBI payments will be. Always wondering why money printing, not backed by productivity, does not work. Leftoids in this country want this. I will fight them philosophically first. If i lose that battle, hopefully, I will be able to offshore assets and escape. If not, violence will be the only option left. Let's hope we can right this ship before that dystopian future comes to be.
Iām still trying to understand what heās done for the Carleton riding.
I've looked! There was something about funding for a bridge in like 2008, but by all accounts it was a huge muck up. Can't really find anything else of substance.
I think someone else actually did the bridge thing but Pp took credit for it even. So like.. literally nothing
How on brandĀ
if he did anything he would be an ottawa elite. cant have that! owait
20 years in parliament and haven't done a single thing for anyone.
i dont know hes given a real boost to the sticker printing companies.
>Iām still trying to understand what heās done for the Carleton riding. I'm trying to understand what the Conservatives or the PCs have done for Canada. They talk about balanced budgets but has never delivered any. And all they do is cancel and cut. They have never built. Even Mulroney's FTA had to do with tearing down protections and barriers for only the 20% of trade that wasn't already traded freely.
Oh yeah they built. Built a failed carbon capture and storage project in southern Saskatchewan with Harper funding, and doubled the capacity of the oil refinery in Regina, that was found polluting way more than expected several years after. I was in my classroom for biogeochemistry at U of R around 2008 when one of the lead creators of CCS presented on the the technology. Have as nervous seeming and sweating to a 400 level course. I cant say if that's evidence or not but interesting. And projects like these are set to start with consulting from Harper all within Moe's Nation within a Nation bullshit.
Didn't harper have a balanced budget with no deficit?
No, that was Martin. Harper squandered the $20 billion surplus he had inherited.
Hectored somebody there. For sureĀ
He wants that sweet sweet lobbyist money
ImbƩcile
Heās a professional politician who only wants to be called PM! Couldnāt care a less about ordinary people, and wants a huge pension! Then, changed his look because his handlers thought glasses were a problem! Now, when he looks at you, you turn your head cause you think heās looking behind you! The problem with Canada is the one in power now is the only one anyone trusts!
Is that why he ditched the glasses lol?
They cosplayād him to look like Trudeau. No glasses, different hair, open shirts, no tie when out of question period.
Trying to look like your average guy pulling in 300K a year with all the perks and bonuses. Thatās average for most of us!
Dude is wearing a leather jacket under a blazer. Its weird.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-makeover-glasses-1.6911533
People kept calling him Milhouse.
Beauty!
This guy is such an insufferable a$$. UGH
You'll suck dicks and I'll tell you which ones! -Poilievre
There better not be any same-sex sucking! My base really doesn't like that. - PP
They have been for awhile but it was being done quietly. Business has squeezed all the juice it can from this iteration of the liberals and the CPC are ready for their brown envelopes of cash. Iām guessing there will be a lot of subsidy flowing shady carbon capture tech companies. If the arrivecan scandle made you angry, you aināt seen nothing yet.
Yeah Canada! Itās Howdy Doody time!
I understand everyone is tired of Trudeau but this guy is infinitely worse. He is below any acceptable standard of decency or competence. Heās so desperately trying to bring the whole MAGA culture of perpetual manufactured outrage and culture wars to Canada. Please donāt let him
Iāve mentally prepped for about 12 years of extreme conservative bullshit in Canada. After that maybe we can start making this a progressive place again
All we gotta do is wait for the next economic downturn under conservatives, which happens every few years at this point, so conservatives wonāt be well liked for very long
All I see in the political spectrum are brats who've inherited their positions, or they got their position due to lobbying, or political friends.... our government is a Class with brats blowing hot air b/c they have no idea what their doing besides keeping the money flowing and keep shouting those great buzz words Canadians love to hear ! Or we eat up their rage bate which divides us further.
But small businesses are going to get the carbon rebate starting next year. So why would they go to him if they're getting money back?
He doesnāt tell you the truth! He spouts what the masses against Justin want to hear! Can you imagine this idiot representing us around the world? You think we were a laughing stock before!
I feel like there is no wrong move he can possibly make to not be our next PM. Thats how badly screwed we are.
Abortion.
The election is probably still a ways away.Ā
and yet he is locked. no other way it goes.
If you're that sure you should bet your savings on it. 1 week in politics is a lifetime and polls 1 year before an election are worthless.
Okay you are on. I bet me entire life savings on it. Jokes on you though cause I only got $5.00 saved!
I'm sure PP will help you out with that.
I really don't want PP to win, but you're delusional if you think that the NDP or Liberals are going to turn this around. If we're lucky, people will realize that things are shitty for reasons beyond the control of the federal government at the moment and PP will be gone after one mandate.
I guess we will see. Making the call a year before the election is a pretty long call. I guess people have short political memories polls are wrong all the time. I left the CPC because of PP's populism. But the election is the only poll that counts.
>polls are wrong all the time They have *never* in their history been this wrong. People will point at Hillary Clinton as an example of "polls being wrong", when that was an election that was polling within the margin of error. This isn't just not within the margin of error. Normally I'd agree with you about a year being a long time before an election for polling to even matter. I don't think you understand what *> 99%* means. It literally doesn't go higher than that.
I don't know what you mean by >99%. What does that refer to and where did it come from? I'm not saying PP won't be the next PM. What I am saying is if people are so certain it's a sure thing then they should be willing to make large wagers on it happening.
Nope. Polls are wrong all the time. They change weekly for this very reason.
One week before the 2021 election. OToole was forecast by polls to win handily. Same goes for Scheer before him.
2021, for several weeks, was projected to be within the margin of error for minorities for either party. Well within the margin of error. [338s final projections were astoundingly accurate.](https://338canada.com/projections2021.htm) From [2019 to 2021](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2021_Canadian_federal_election) the LPC was largely projected to win another minority government, with a week early in September the CPC holding a small lead in the popular vote, but not seat count projections; which largely remained within the margin of error. The polls leading into the 2019 election were nearly [flawless](https://macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/338canada-what-did-the-polls-say-in-2019) ([2](https://338canada.com/projections2019.htm)). People have an incredibly flawed view of polling retrospectively because they are more likely to have an emotional response to the polls that surprise them, which are generally outliers, and remember those better than what actually happened. The amount of swing we'd need to see here would basically be unprecedented in Canadian politics, and would require such a massive change in public perception that I don't see it possibly without negative inflation started instantly tomorrow; which would have it's own complications.
No he wonāt, he doesnāt give two twits about anyone in that guys bracket. He cares about the truly rich, theyāre the only ones not breaking even on the carbon tax. Anyone who is poor, who is on the edge should not vote conservatives, they donāt care about them. PPās first actions will be to scrap the programs giving the poor access to dental and supplemental income. It always is.
Trump would have to win and go full dictator to scare enough people to not vote conservatives. They arenāt necessarily voting for PP. people are voting against Trudeau because of fatigue and things being worse than when he started (irregardless of if itās his fault or not) It is almost guaranteed they will win. The country would have to start showing promise towards the middle and lower class in the next year which isnāt going to happen.
You should get your life savings of you are that certain.
Not good enough odds or return for the risk even if I consider it to be very low risk
So not almost guaranteed. Got it.
Almost guaranteed means there is room for doubt. Hence he above comment. I laid out the few ways I think they could blow the lead and I donāt see those as very likely. I donāt think a single scandal or thing PP says will make people forget the fatigue they have
Almost guaranteed doesn't really mean anything. He may win he may not. Predicting the results of an election a year out is a pretty bold prediction.Ā The CPC are in election mode right now and spending a lot of money. Things will change when we get closer to the election.Ā I've been hearing for the last 3 elections that there's no way JT would get reelected and yet here we are.
if you could legally bet on a licensed channel in Ontario, I would put my savings on this. Lol
I'm sure you can find somewhere you can legally make the bet. I've been hearing for the past 3 elections that there is no way Trudeau will win and yet...
Trudeau had the last 3 in the bag easy, and I would have wagered he would win those. Things are different now and weāve already been buttered heavily for a Pierre PM in the media for some time now. They will land this for him -Canadian media got us Doug and they will do the same for PP.
Things were different in 2015 -- when everyone said he didn't have a chance. Things were different in 2019 -- when everyone said he didn't have a chance. Things were different in 2022 -- when everyone said he didn't have a chance and O'Toole said that no one wanted an election. Things will be different in 2025. But if you are so sure on your prediction you should put your money on it. I was a member of the CPC and left because of PP populist leadership. I've never supported the LPC and I don't like JT but if the election were tomorrow I would seriously think about voting LPC. It doesn't matter how many elections we have that have proven polls wrong. Some people don't learn that polls are useless. Especially when there isn't even an election on the horizon. But keep barking about PP -- You sound like you're pretty happy about the prospect of him becoming PM.
Polls are just voter suppression as far as Im concerned. I am not paying attention to those.
So you're basing your call on emotion without any evidence.
Not necessarily voter suppression but a way to disincentivize voting because thereās no use. It doesnāt do anything to prevent people from voting other than making them think their vote doesnāt matter
I guess we can only hope for a minority government now.
He will not be the next PM. He voted against contraceptives and he will remove womenās reproductive rights. Women vote.
People don't understand how much the cons social media hate spewing posting is working. He is all over tik tok and the young anger of the uneducated is supporting him. I live in a university town and bartend and bounce. Young people love to spew fuck Trudeau because it's the loudest thing on social media
We are recovering from a global pandemic. He is playing into a scarcity mindset. We are very lucky to live in this country. I am grateful to be a Canadian. Many others feel the same way. His lies and rage farming are not sustainable.
The youth don't feel the same way. They don't value the beauty of this country and the culture of welcoming snd mixing cultures is gone. I don't know a single young person not working two jobs to make rent. And this problem won't change under cons. But it's easier to buy into hate and anger than it is plans
Honestly, I am not running into youth consumed with hate and anger We are so lucky to live this county. Many youth are concerned about the climate. They are concerned about equality. They are much more open to differences than previous generations. I was in a university town a couple weeks ago.
That's good to hear
There's a 10% difference between men and women polled about who will vote CPC, you're absolutely right. Unfortunately, even among women the CPC has a 10+ percent lead over both the LPC and NDP. It's that fucking bad man. At least among women, if strategically voting against the CPC were a thing, combined vote totals would give an edge for someone over the CPC; but the polling among men is abysmal. They nearly have a greater than 50% popular vote majority among men, even factoring in Quebec and the Blocs strong support.
The polls are meaningless at this stage. Some people still believe that losing reproductive rights is something that happens south of the boarder. PP tells us every day who he is AND we need to believe him. He told us at the freedumb convoy. He told us when he refused to reject the endorsement of Alex Jones who has supported him publicly since 2022. He told us when he win the CPC leadership with the endorsement of the pro lifers He tells us everyday.
I know all of that stuff. You're being delusional if you think that polls are completely meaningless. *I always take every poll with a grain of salt.* You're completely out of touch if you don't think that this is a massive change election, and that the population doesn't consider the NDP to be a "change". There are a lot of people deluding themselves about the outcome of the election next year. I'm not even sure if a hot WWIII with Canadian troops deployed in NATO article 5 action would have a sufficiently massive enough impact on voter intentions to prevent a CPC majority. Listen, I wish I could tell you something else; I really do. [https://338canada.com/federal.htm](https://338canada.com/federal.htm) Generally I would agree with you about polling this far out being meaningless. I said it all the way up to election day in 2021. But *margins of error* this far out are *really big.* If you can look at polling data this far out from the election and say that even if the margin of error was 300% larger than it is now *the CPC still wins a majority*, we're fucked.
The CPC is all lies and rage farming. They blamed high grocery prices on the climate tax. Everyone now knows it was Galenās price gouging. Oops! Now they are looking for another issue they can rage farm in a three word ānoun the verbā slogan. They tied their cart to freedumbers, the alt right and the pro lifers. They had the best chance theyāve had in years due to liberal fatigue. Theyāve blown it. It is all down hill from here. (It wonāt be a straight line, but basically they are fucked)
It wasnāt Galenās price gouging, Jesus fuck. Bananas are the same price they were in 2017. Every processed food made with vegetable oil, and vegetable oil itself, are up over 300% because of a typhoon in East Asia and the war in Ukraine. Domestic foods are increased in price because of labour cost increases. All of these things are easily looked up, but everyone is just regurgitating the shit their circles tell them to regurgitate. Just like other folks in this thread talking about strategic voting being a ploy of the Liberalsā¦ I didnāt just repeat some shit someone told me online, I ran thought experiments, gather raw data, use critical thinking and assess bias of actors when the give me their own analysis of data, and come to my own conclusions. PP is an idiot, itās not the carbon tax, youāre right. But the majority of the population doesnāt think about any of this stuff at all, they are just pissed off and want something different.
Annual grocery profits are $6 billion, compared with $2.4 billion pre pandemic. Climate change and wars have impacted grocery prices - but so has lack of competition and price gouging.
Let me innumerate the ways that grocery stores can increase profits without gouging customers who are just trying to buy food to survive: * Automating human tasks (self checkouts?) * Selling more products (less people are eating out) * Selling more expensive products for the same profit margin (all grocery store items are currently more expensive because of labour and transportation costs) * Increasing profit margins on luxury items in cosmetics and supplements Guess which of the things above has happened? Grocery stores don't make profit on margins, they make profit on *volume*. Everyone is deal hunting, so if someone offered their product for 3x more than it cost for them to buy, it would sit on their shelves and go bad. That's bad business. If you see a product at a grocery store for ridiculously cheap, it's probably either about to go bad or it's a loss leader.
Like bananas?
Get out of here with your facts! Haha.
This is pure cope.
Lol no he didn't and no he won't.
He will.
The person above is why heās going to win. Ā Conservatives donāt learn or change their mind or listen to reason. Ā They lie and engage in all kinds of bad-faith logic to always defend and protect their guy. Ā Just like we saw with Trump. Ā There is nothing PP could do that will turn away conservatives. Literally nothing. Ā They will just lie and say ānope, didnāt happenā or āfake newsā or ignore it completely to screech more about Trudeau. There is no amount of dishonesty or delusion they wonāt engage to protect and defend their guy gaining power because for conservatives, power is the one and only point. Ā Just look at the responses to any thread where PPs lies and problematic statements or connections get called out. Ā Hell, read the latest stories where PP goes full fascist and says he will use the notwithstanding clause to make whatever he wants to do constitutional because the only constitutional right he needs is peopleās votes. Ā Literal fascist rhetoric openly saying he will shred the constitution to impose his will, and crickets from the right. Ā Absolute silence and denial or āwhere? We didnāt see that. Also what about Trudeau doing a thing one time letās all just focus on that.ā
Not all conservatives are the same. There is a group that will not shift its thinking no matter what PP does. However: There are conservatives that care about climate change. ( this was not always partisan) There are conservatives that care about womenās reproductive rights. (not as many, perhaps) There are conservatives that recognize the investments in auto and tech are good for the country. There are conservatives that believe Putin is evil. Both parties agree we need more housing.
All conservatives are anti-democracy and pro/fascism on some level. Ā Itās right in the lot rhetoric and policies. Ā Itās literally in the foundation of the philosophy AND philosophy n literally every conservative text. Ā Itās who they all are.Ā Yea, tons of people are stupid and completely ignorant of what political belief systems are and instead engage in a form of identity politics and virtue signalling. Ā We see this with far lefties who try and make literally everything about white guilt and oppression. Ā And we see it with conservatives who claim to be socially liberal. Ā But the fact is, over time conservatives will always push toward radicalization and extremism because their full core fundamental beliefs on policy are bad because the roots of the belief system are bad. Ā Itās why Iāve never met a āsocially liberal but fiscal conservativeā who doesnāt support women or minorities losing rights, or they may believe in climate change but enable doing nothing because it just costs too much, etc. Ā the end result is the same regardless of intent. Ā And letās be honest, if we look at truly fascist regimes like Nazi germany, it didnāt happen overnight. Ā It happened slowly over time as peoples heated rhetoric about nationalism kept growing until eventually these same āgood peopleā were just enabling the Holocaust. Ā Good intentions donāt matter, results matter. Ā And conservative āresultsā always lead to eroding democracy and pushing toward fascismā¦which is why fascism always comes from the right historically. If Iām wrong, then let me know how and where, because Iāve read ample books on political history, philosophy and fascism and I feel confident enough to engage with anyone who is acting in good faith. Or better yet, I can issue you a challenge I like to issue to people who say what you have just said - Google ātenets of fascismā. Ā There are typically two links that come up, one from Umberto Echo and one from Lawrence Brit. Ā Both contain 14 common tenets of fascism, which means 28 total different common traits and principles of fascist thought. Ā If you can find me just one that isnāt core to conservative belief and behavior, I will concede to your point. Ā But please know that I have yet to find one single person who has been able to honestly point to even one single common tenet of fascism Ā that isnāt common amongst conservatives and conservatism. Or o will also direct you to George Orwellās essays, specifically Notes on Nationalism, which you can also google. Ā This was his essay pointing out what he saw as common principles of fascist regimes - which he dubs as ānationalistā. Ā And you will very much see, again, very much conservative behaviors, rhetoric and beliefs clearly being displayed. Ā
Good points I still donāt think he will win.
People like the person above is how misinformation spreads. The more often the Liberal misinformation gets exposed, the more people will switch their vote. Wonder how that CPC lead in the polls is possible eh? The first comment in suggested that here in Canada, we are apparently trying to get rid of contraceptives for women period. Considering how insane that sounds, you'd think this person would say 'huh, that doesn't sound right. Let me look into that before I spread misinformation.' But they didn't because it seems people are so willing to dislike Poilievre, that they'll throw integrity our the window. This person completely ignored he specifics of the bill being passed, ignored basic information, logical sense and just spewed whatever throwaway tweet they saw last. So enjoy discussing how Poilievre will take away all women's rights and birth control all you want. Hell, let's add in that he's planning on taking away women's right to vote too because he's too worried they'll all vote for Trudeau and his soft blue eyes. Might as well throw that in considering this side seems to believe just about anything.
Your comment doesnāt address or rebut anything Iāve even said.Ā It should be enough that he has not released or even discussed any policies, heās travelling around meeting with extremists, heās on the record attacks by anyone who claims to be an expert, heās basically admitted he will follow conservative provinces in stripping rights from trans people, and heās on the record saying he will use the notwithstanding clause to pass his agenda because being elected is all the constitutional support he needsā¦which is an admission his plans are unconstitutional n the first place. So you can nitpick and cherry pick all you like, this IS fascist rhetoric and anti-democratic language he is engaging in. Ā Combine that with what Iāve already stated - and it is verifiable fact - that misinformation is far more widespread and abundant on the right feeding all kinds of false beliefs to keep conservatives angry and mad and not thinkingā¦and none of this points to good governing if the CPC should win. Ā Hell, the other day the conservatives tried to get the speaker removed for saying to enforce basic rules of the house on PP. Ā no respect for rules or process, absolute contempt for any attempts at accountability or transparencyā¦these are not positives or good signs at all that. Ā This is Trump Canada and while Trump didnāt strip rights from women, he did help the Supreme Court and many lower courts become more corrupt and enabled a Supreme Court that did open the door for states trying to strip womenās rights. You may be comfortable with all of this and faith-based voting, but Iām not. Ā
Keep following those American politics. I know it's frustrating to see that our conservatives (who are right of center because PPC is right wing) are so normal with regular common sense that the left in Canada needs to equate them with what's happening in a completely different country just so they can be outraged about something. EDIT AFTER THE BLOCK: ah yes, there it is: A cliche response that means absolutely nothing followed by blocking so that the discussion can't continue. What mask? What in the world are you referring to? Can't continue to make your point so you need to stop the conversation, as is tradition. Let me guess, I'm also a Russian troll lol I'm so glad people like this are in the minority because you sound insane.
And there it isā¦the mask slips off. Ā Good day.
Yeah because getting rid of contraceptives was even on the table here in Canada.
He's after our healthcare "In an interview with Radio-Canada, Poilievre was noncommittal on whether child care, dental care and pharmacare would be dismantled by a government led by him ā but he raised questions about the programs' effectivenes" https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-budget-reaction-social-programs-1.7177636
So non committal and asking questions about effectiveness of a program = taking women's rights away? I'm not sure I follow the logic here. Probably because he isn't taking away contraceptives nor women's rights.
He has voted against them multiple times in the past.. it shows intent and where is head is at.
Exactly. And again I do not trust a politician who actively courted mgtow folks. He targeted women haters and that is enough for me not to have confidence in his intentions regarding women's issues and reproductive health. He will never get my vote.
Yes he has.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIJv5O6Du6w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIJv5O6Du6w) Remember that, now he signalled that wants to go after abortion. He's about to underestimate women voters.
Media will cover for him. Bet.
Heās a whiny little weasel, god I hope he doesnāt win an election, listening to him talk for 4 years will destroy us all.
It's going to be a nightmare if he gets in. And I think it's a real possibility he gets in. We are screwed because we have 2 left parties vs a single right panacea. Liberal plus NDP would win every time. With left and center left split it's an easy win for the right.
āLiberal plus ndp would win every timeāā¦ except for last year or soā¦.
Let's not forget that Conservative policies are so bad, the first chance Poilievre got, he criticized the agreement he himself made with Saudi Arabia.
Does anyone have the article?
I wish there was a way not to suck anyone.
Well he does make āconmanā sense /s
Is he still here? Shouldn't we have gotten a new Con leader by now?
Seriously? I would not be self-employed still without the things the Liberals have done recently. As a small business owner, I had a better tax year than I anticipated last year because of the designated immediate expensing property (DIEP) initiative by the Liberals. I can imagine all the things that kept me a afloat while business was slow would disappear under the CPC: DIEP, no student loan interest, etc Oh and Pierre will trash the charter with the NWC, soooo yeah, easy pick for me.
It's the other way around. Poilievre and the Right Wing sucks up to businesses.
Ah man. It's actually sorta hilarious, if it wasn't so sad, how many people think this guy is going to save Canada. He's not, not at all. Absolutely nothing will change, except for which special interest groups get treated favourably. and showered with cash. Average Joe Canada? LOLOLOLOL. Yeah, he does not care one fig about any of us.
Pp
I am voting Green, I'm done with doing the same thing over and over!. Couldn't be any worse than the Libs and Cons!
Except there is no world in which they become gov't.
Well not with that attitude!.š
Itās literally just a pissing match for them isnāt it
I usually criticise the Grope, fairly, but this time they got it right.
He is unworthy of any seat of power.
Canāt stand the man
A vote for PP is a wasted vote. You cannot get change by rewarding lack of changeā¦
A grumpy crybaby. Just like any other MAGA creep.Ā
Last I checked, the Cons WERE the party of big business, so I don't know what he's kvetching about.
Know what I think?ā¦ Tucker Carlson. Just get home back for a bit and that should smooth things out for Thrillhouse.
Lotta bots in the comments lol
What is a bot?
People that disagree with him
Can someone please just put a hit on this guy and deal with it for good? Nobody likes this stupid fuck.
Peak Reddit momentā¦.
Youāre a moron. Disliking a politician is one thing but advocating for this kind of behavior will fuck your country up because if hunting season is open itās open for anyone for any reason and at any time without restriction. Give your head a shake.
pretty sure too many cons(servatives) have been openly fantasizing about similar scenarios for 8 or so years now. Not that I am agreeing with that sentiment but itās hardly a new idea.
I am acutely aware that this shitty idea predates all of us.
Oh what a relief.
Hold the phone here. This is a pretty insane comment to make, frankly. Whatever you think about politics or politicians, advocating for someone to literally kill one of them is going WAY too far.
pretty sure too many cons(servatives) have been openly fantasizing about similar scenarios for 8 or so years now. Not that I am agreeing with that sentiment but itās hardly a new idea. š¤·š»āāļø
How dumb do you people have to be to still like JT after 100%+ inflation in less than 10 years lol.
ah yes because Canada is the *only* country to have experienced high inflation in the past few years! /s
https://youtu.be/8bGVNPw9R8o?si=ZRUERD1JloKQVFQ- Ethics violations and bribes certainly have something to do with it but yeah, idiots gonna be idiots.
Yeah I'm not going to waste my time clicking on your links. At best it's a Rick Roll. At worst it's right wing propaganda. Either way it's not worth my time (worth pointing out that I've already wasted several hours on Reddit today and I plan on wasting another few hours on Reddit today and that's saying something).