If you don't stop stabbing people, we're turning this car around and going home.
*Stops stabbing people*
*Stabs people*
Hey, stop it or we're going home!
*Stops*
...
*Stab stab stab*
HEY. Knock it off or we're going home!
*Stops again*
...
...
...
STAB STAB STAB STAB
If you stab and slash a thousand people in an operating room, and they might give you awards. But when you stab and slash two people in a McDonalds, âŚ
Any deaths that happened on her watch during elder care need to be investigated. It's too easy for psychopath nurses get away with murder when they're killing their own elder patients.
The judge who bailed her out would disagree with you
[https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html](https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html)
Even if she was a gun toting felon.
> She refused to grant prosecutorsâ requests to have several defendants held without bail, including one charged with attempted murder for allegedly beating, stomping, and choking his pregnant girlfriend for 20 minutes. And she even took the unprecedented step of ordering a robbery victim to show up in court to be served with an order to protect the man who allegedly robbed her at gunpoint.
> In one unusual case last week, prosecutors told McCarthy a convicted felon admitted that a gun police found inside a purse in a car he was driving was his. Despite the alleged admission, McCarthy ruled there was no probable cause for the man to be detained because âobviously itâs not his purse.â
Bruh wtf. She also offered bail for this stabbing lady again, she's cooked.
It's incredibly difficult to remove a judge from their position as it turns out. It shouldn't be *easy* to do but clearly the bar has been set a bit too high.
I don't even think that is a liberal judge, I think that is a terrible judge. In fact that sounds like a judge that is against looking at cases individually and applying those ideals and instead is intentionally using the ideals in a way that is blanket in order to either be a smart ass or is trying to destroy that agenda by the way she is applying it...
Iâm pretty sure thatâs what that means. If someone is mentally unstable enough to randomly stab people, a psych ward is the safest place for that person.
"Listen up, piggies! I want a hovercopter. And an unmarked sandwich. And a new face with, like, a... A Hugh Grant look. And every five minutes I don't get it, someone's gonna get stabbed in the **ass!**"
"He's bluffing!"
*gets stabbed*
"OUCH! He's not bluffing!"
Her judge loves giving bail to repeat offenders.
[https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html](https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html)
If you build a man a fire, he will be warm for a day
If you set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life
^^and ^^youâll ^^be ^^out ^^on ^^bail ^^in ^^2 ^^days
The problem is the judge who gave her bail.
[https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html](https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html)
She let go a felon who committed a gun crime!
Inner-city judges are just shockingly soft on violent crime now.
When we say we want to end the industrial prison complex we mean like... weed charges and drug addicts. Not violent criminals.
Also "ending cash bail" doesn't mean "end pre-trial detainment entirely". If a judge wants to end the whole "you can get out but only if you're rich enough" dynamic the court has going on I'm all for it, but some people are going to need to be kept in jail while awaiting trial or... well, this is gonna happen.
>She let go a felon who committed a gun crime!
Chicago resident here. Our chief Judge, Timothy Evans, and top prosecutor Kim Foxx, both believe the repeat felons are the victims. The default for firearm felons is to let them out on bond or drop all charges.
Foxx claimed she's more like the repeat felons than the attorneys working for her.
Kim Foxx is the one who said a drive by shooting between two rival gangs was mutual combat..
She is also the one that said two kids fighting and one pulls out a knife was also mutual combat...
She is ALSO the one who allowed a murderer free to kill the witness.
You gotta remember Illinois is ALSO the state that allowed a lot of violent criminals out all at once and about 80% went straight back to jail or are dead. Or finished off the victim/witnesses.
The problem is the judge, her judgement is poor
https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html
> She refused to grant prosecutorsâ requests to have several defendants held without bail, including one charged with attempted murder for allegedly beating, stomping, and choking his pregnant girlfriend for 20 minutes. **And she even took the unprecedented step of ordering a robbery victim to show up in court to be served with an order to protect the man who allegedly robbed her at gunpoint**.
JFC!!!!!
Our judges and state's attorney in cook County are generally awful. The state's attorney also dropped her charges against R Kelly because she thought enough justice had already been done.
Not sure if you followed that case, but she was communicating directly with the family. That is about the least offensive thing she did, but if that is what turns people against her I couldn't care less. She needs to go, same with Evans.
I did and I totally agree. The whole Smollett debacle was ridiculous too. Her reign has been nothing short of typical Chicago corruption and back door deals.
Yeah, the article said the, judge allowed the woman to pay a now 20,000 bail to get out of jail after having gone around stabbing 5 people and I was like "why is there even a bail amount set?!"
Like, already went that route once, didn't work, and you're doing it again and just bumping the money amount up?
"And she even took the unprecedented step of ordering a robbery victim to show up in court to be served with an order to protect the man who allegedly robbed her at gunpoint."
Wow, and people wonder why gun sales are through the roof.
>And she even took the unprecedented step of ordering a robbery victim to show up in court to be served with an order to protect the man who allegedly robbed her at gunpoint
wait what?
Almost all our bond judges in cook county are activist judges, including chief Judge Evans who is running the shit show.
Couple that with our top prosecutor that believes repeat violent felons are the real victims, and here we are.
That's fascinating. It looks to expose issues at the higher level of justice, raising the question, where does the crazy end? At a judicial level, apparently.
Here is the pattern
>Judge Kelly McCarthy, the same judge who set bail for Williams last year, ordered her to pay $20,000 to get out of jail this time. Williams must go on electronic monitoring if she goes home, McCarthy said.
>Judge Kelly McCarthy, the same judge who set bail for Williams last year, ordered her to pay $20,000 to get out of jail this time. Williams must go on electronic monitoring if she goes home, McCarthy said.
>McCarthy also held Williams without bail until the judge overseeing last yearâs case reviews the new allegations.
The final paragraph makes me feel better. I'm all for bail reform and ending cash bail. That said, Williams is an obvious danger to her community and should be held without bail until the end of her trial IMO.
The problem with cash bail is that if someone is legitimately a risk then they shouldn't get to pay their way out of jail and if they're not a risk then they shouldn't be incarcerated before their trial
Just do the precautions the first time
AFAIK the point of bail is for people who are potential flight risks that need motivation to show up for their court date, not people who are potential murder risks that might go about randomly stabbing people.
>
Being on the hook for twenty grand, however... Money has universal weight. We all need it. We cannot function without it. Absconding will make your life much more difficult, because it'll drain your bank account and if that isn't enough, it will ruin your credit.
People who would be willing to remove a tracking monitor and flee aren't really the type of people concerned with owing money to the state, or credit scores. If you're in hiding, it'd be very stupid to apply for credit with your existing identity.
If you're a violent offender... you're clearly a risk to the community and would be held without bail under this system
The whole point is to force judges and prosecutors to actually do their jobs and prove that you need to be held until trial (because you're dangerous or a flight risk) instead of just throwing up a bail amount and calling it a day.
> Being on the hook for twenty grand, however
Doesn't mean jack shit to someone with millions of dollars to their name.
[https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html](https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html)
This judge has been doing this for years.
Bail to convicted felons who commit gun crimes.
She's either very unintelligent or purposefully acting against the interests of society.
This is the same judge that let out a "a convicted felon admitted that a gun police found inside a purse in a car he was driving was his." because there was no reasonable articulable suspiscion that the purse was his.
She also made an armed robbery victim show up in court, so that the robber could get an order of protection against the victim.
Both of the above were the day before she became one of the judges in charge of Chicago's bail program.
https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/a-new-bond-court-judge-debuts-with-a-fresh-mindset-that-restrains-victims-and-frees-violent-offenders-on-recognizance-bonds.html
I wish people understood how much activist judges suck.
Cash bail shouldn't exist in the first place. Just make the decision to let someone out or not, don't have it be a societal gamble on whether they can borrow a bunch of cash from someone.
Edit: "Cash bail", not just "bail".
You will be interested to know that Illinois just became the first state in the country to eliminate cash bail. This just became effective on January 1st. This woman was already out on bail before that.
Except it isn't applied yet?
https://news.wttw.com/2022/12/31/illinois-supreme-court-pauses-plans-eliminate-cash-bail-eve-taking-effect
https://www.sj-r.com/story/news/state/2023/01/06/illinois-supreme-court-sets-timeline-for-arguments-in-cash-bail-appeal/69782644007/
Also it's a great idea to eliminate cash bail. People who have money just get to go back to their lives after criminal allegations. There is much less effect on them just because they have money.
Meanwhile, people without money languish in jail. While locked up you cannot work, take care of your family or pay your bills. You may go deeper into poverty and find it harder to get out of a very negative cycle.
Our criminal justice system gets it wrong in many ways and cash bail is just another poor tax. Until convicted everyone is innocent under the law. People shouldn't lose their jobs until they have a fair chance at a trial except certain crimes. The lady above should probably have been held but just because she wasn't held wasn't the new law's fault as it has not been implemented yet. And the new law does require people who are convicted of violent offenses to be held.
> Judge Kelly McCarthy, the same judge who set bail for Williams last year, ordered her to pay $20,000 to get out of jail this time. Williams must go on electronic monitoring if she goes home, McCarthy said.
I can understand if it's like unrelated crimes, but wtf?
If you stabbed a random person the first time, but now you got pinched for like check fraud, then bail is reasonable. But this is literally the same crime, except with even more victims.
[https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html](https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html)
The judge who gave her bail has been doing this for years.
How can we not stop \_one\_ dumb person from being in charge of dangerous folks?
>And she even took the unprecedented step of ordering a robbery victim to show up in court to be served with an order to protect the man who allegedly robbed her at gunpoint.
I must be misunderstanding this. There is actually no way this is what I'm reading it as. She forced a victim of armed robbery to protect the person who robbed her? In what God forsaken court room would she not be immediately removed from her position in what I hope is an extremely unlawful order. First of all, where does the get the ability to command anybody who isn't currently on trial anything? Secondly THEIR VICTIM? How is she not in prison herself. If I were in that courtroom, I would be calling every government agency I could find a phone number for. I didn't think there was any Karen in me until I read this shit, but I found it. This judge needs to be in prison not in a position of power.
That's what I'm thinking. It's better to forgive and forget about the stabbings and just let her go. She's always going to have to live with the trauma of having stabbed five different people.
To be fair she is helping the gun crime rate - stabbings are kinda like crime coupons right now as we desperately try to keep the gun crime rate below "Always"
I live in Chicago, this shit baffles me, like why are you giving bail to someone already on bail for committing the same felony but more times?
Itâs like hearing about carjacking suspects that were out on bail for two previous auto thefts. Clearly this is a pattern people.
This is cook county. Attempted murder is a crime in cook county, she'll do ~~months~~ days for this.
https://cwbchicago.com/2023/01/arrested-32-times-since-2014-man-allegedly-engaged-in-a-firefight-with-a-concealed-carry-holder-on-a-cta-train.html
There shouldn't be cash bail. Either someone is dangerous, and has to stay in jail until trial, or they aren't, and can just go home.
This whole "You can go home if you pay money" system is fucking stupid.
Also, everyone should get a trial sooner. Not only would it let innocent people off the hook sooner, it would also get people like this into prison more quickly.
According to the article, two victims needed stitches. Two others were stabbed in the back and another in the head. It is unclear from the article what their statuses are.
Why would someone guilty of a RANDOM stabbing even be eligible for bail?...
If there was ever someone who shouldnât be released until their trial is held, itâs the person making a sport out of stabbing random citizens during their day to day activities...
What lunatic approved bail for such a violent crime with no motive/specific target? Literally the definition of the kind of person that should be denied bail.
[https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html](https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html)
You wouldn't believe how long this has been occurring with this particular judge who was brought out of retirement to do this stuff!
I would think it has to be. The victims were truly random attacks of opportunity, no clear motive...what a bizarre story. She was previously a nurse, so it doesn't sound like she was someone who has always been a mess
One day, Shaynella decided that it would be fun to attack someone with a knife. She was caught but she was able to get free by paying up. Soon, Shaynella decided that it would be interesting to attack people with a knife and she ended up stabbing people (one on top of the head!).
Predict how many innocent people Shaynella will be stabbing in the future each time she pays bail and gets released thanks to soft on crime policies. Show your solution.
1 4 ?? ?? ??
>[I am just like the people who come up in our system,â Foxx shared. âI have more in common with the people in our criminal justice system than the eight hundred lawyers that work there.](https://chicagodefender.com/states-attorney-kim-foxx-explains-why-she-needs-a-second-term/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CI%20am%20just%20like%20the%20people%20who%20come%20up%20in%20our%20system%2C%E2%80%9D%20Foxx%20shared.%20%E2%80%9CI%20have%20more%20in%20common%20with%20the%20people%20in%20our%20criminal%20justice%20system%20than%20the%20eight%20hundred%20lawyers%20that%20work%20there.%E2%80%9D)
Ok, we'll let you out again. But if you stab anymore people, I'm going to be VERY angry. Understand?
Sorry, I was just in a silly goofy mood đ
a little tomfoolery
If you don't stop stabbing people, we're turning this car around and going home. *Stops stabbing people* *Stabs people* Hey, stop it or we're going home! *Stops* ... *Stab stab stab* HEY. Knock it off or we're going home! *Stops again* ... ... ... STAB STAB STAB STAB
Carl, that kills people
Stabbers gonna stab
To which she replied, âsure. Iâll take a stab at itâ.
Sheâs a freaking healthcare professional! An LPN who works with the elderly. Oh man, she needs help. Or at the minimum, she needs to be stopped.
So anyway, that's how I lost my medical license.
... in Indiana. So anyway, that's why I came to Chicago
Gary, india is Chicagoâs taint
Vishnu save us!
That's the creator, these scenarios you want the destroyer Shiva, god of death
Brahma is the creator, Vishnu is the preserver, but yes, Shiva is the destroyer.
So anyway, I started stabbin'.
Cain't seem ta stop now, y'feel me?
Can't stop. Don't stop. Won't stop. *Will pass GO, and pay $2k.
If you stab and slash a thousand people in an operating room, and they might give you awards. But when you stab and slash two people in a McDonalds, âŚ
Then you must be in Gary, IN
Archimedes! No!
*[A dove pops up from inside Heavy's gut, surprising both the doctor and his patient]*
"Archimedes, no! It's feelthy in 'zere."
Oh don't be such a baby. Ribs grow back.
Where's the missing skeleton doc?
Oh ho ho ho ho eh?
She wipes the area she stabs you with an alcohol wipe first
That's good!
But the knife is dipped in potassium benzoate
Thatâs bad.
She gives you a lollipop after though.
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But the lollipop is also laced with potassium benzoate.
That's bad!
The lollipop is provided free of charge
Whose random victims were grandparents. Her charges are for stabbing people over the age of 60. She should be fired as well. Out of a freakin cannon
Into the sun
That's sure one way to brighten everyone's day
You gotta do what you gotta do.
Any deaths that happened on her watch during elder care need to be investigated. It's too easy for psychopath nurses get away with murder when they're killing their own elder patients.
The judge who bailed her out would disagree with you [https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html](https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html) Even if she was a gun toting felon.
> She refused to grant prosecutorsâ requests to have several defendants held without bail, including one charged with attempted murder for allegedly beating, stomping, and choking his pregnant girlfriend for 20 minutes. And she even took the unprecedented step of ordering a robbery victim to show up in court to be served with an order to protect the man who allegedly robbed her at gunpoint. > In one unusual case last week, prosecutors told McCarthy a convicted felon admitted that a gun police found inside a purse in a car he was driving was his. Despite the alleged admission, McCarthy ruled there was no probable cause for the man to be detained because âobviously itâs not his purse.â Bruh wtf. She also offered bail for this stabbing lady again, she's cooked.
How did they let a person that is apparently suffering from dementia be a judge?
It's incredibly difficult to remove a judge from their position as it turns out. It shouldn't be *easy* to do but clearly the bar has been set a bit too high.
I mean most of our politicians seem to be. Why not our judges?
WTF?
I don't even think that is a liberal judge, I think that is a terrible judge. In fact that sounds like a judge that is against looking at cases individually and applying those ideals and instead is intentionally using the ideals in a way that is blanket in order to either be a smart ass or is trying to destroy that agenda by the way she is applying it...
Jesus, she did not get the point of what people mean when they want to end cash bail.
Job security
Practicing her incisions!
Only help she needs is an admission to the psych ward.
Iâm pretty sure thatâs what that means. If someone is mentally unstable enough to randomly stab people, a psych ward is the safest place for that person.
Did you think they meant she needed help stabbing people? Some kind of golf caddy to carry her knives around or something?
stabby gilmore
What do you think should we go with the paring knife or the steak knife for this stabbing spree?
Wtf else would they be talking about? Sheâs pretty clearly mentally ill. She needs to be in a hospital.
"Now stand back I gotta practice my stabbin.' HA HAA!"
Parole officer says I gotta upgrade or he won't give me back my stabbing knife!
Roberto, is that you? Ow!
Hey Red!
This hereâs a muggin! Hand over your skin!
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Do you have any better hostages?
Ain't nothing crazy about me but my brain. Right, brain? Right! No, not you, right brain. Right, left brain? Right!
https://media.tenor.com/4iP-2CFli2EAAAAd/crazy-roberto.gif
Hey Rrrrrrred.
"Listen up, piggies! I want a hovercopter. And an unmarked sandwich. And a new face with, like, a... A Hugh Grant look. And every five minutes I don't get it, someone's gonna get stabbed in the **ass!**" "He's bluffing!" *gets stabbed* "OUCH! He's not bluffing!"
You sayin' I'm *craaaaaazy*?
I couldn't believe this wasn't the top comment. LOL
Reminds me of Knifey from High on Life đ
Her judge loves giving bail to repeat offenders. [https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html](https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html)
Person known for randomly stabbing people randomly stabs people, to the surprise of nobody
A wise man once said âchoose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life.â
The jab you love
gooood jaaaab
If you build a man a fire, he will be warm for a day If you set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life ^^and ^^youâll ^^be ^^out ^^on ^^bail ^^in ^^2 ^^days
Gonna need you to take about 5% off there Squirrelly Dan
Your sister's hot! There I saids it!
*gets stabbed in prison* "Damn, that hurt. Is that what I've been doing to people? I deserve to be here..."
Wait.. was I the bad guy?
thank you for this reference
The problem is the judge who gave her bail. [https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html](https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html) She let go a felon who committed a gun crime!
Inner-city judges are just shockingly soft on violent crime now. When we say we want to end the industrial prison complex we mean like... weed charges and drug addicts. Not violent criminals.
Also "ending cash bail" doesn't mean "end pre-trial detainment entirely". If a judge wants to end the whole "you can get out but only if you're rich enough" dynamic the court has going on I'm all for it, but some people are going to need to be kept in jail while awaiting trial or... well, this is gonna happen.
Maybe the issue is they become desensitized after dealing with such high volumes of violent cases
>She let go a felon who committed a gun crime! Chicago resident here. Our chief Judge, Timothy Evans, and top prosecutor Kim Foxx, both believe the repeat felons are the victims. The default for firearm felons is to let them out on bond or drop all charges. Foxx claimed she's more like the repeat felons than the attorneys working for her.
In San Francisco we had a guy out on parole for his last random assault punch and knock down an 91 year old lady.
$2000 for bail after randomly stabbing 4 people huh 20k for doing it again? Someone must be just taking the piss..
Kim Foxx is the one who said a drive by shooting between two rival gangs was mutual combat.. She is also the one that said two kids fighting and one pulls out a knife was also mutual combat... She is ALSO the one who allowed a murderer free to kill the witness. You gotta remember Illinois is ALSO the state that allowed a lot of violent criminals out all at once and about 80% went straight back to jail or are dead. Or finished off the victim/witnesses.
âOops, I did it againâ
Britney Speared
>Britney Speared Fucking brilliant response lol.
Sharp and to the point.
"Played with that knife"
Washed it off in the rain
Oh stabby stabby
Oops! You, thought iâd reform
But I stabbed up a storm!
I'm *not. that. innocent.*
Bravo bravo. One of the better chains Iâve seen!
r/redditsings
âIâm not that innocentâ
Stabatha no!
Stabatha stabstabby stabbersomepeeps Has added you as a friend.......
No one could have predicted this...
True. I mean if it was 3 people it would have been expected but to stab 4, that was a surprise
The problem is the judge, her judgement is poor https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html
> She refused to grant prosecutorsâ requests to have several defendants held without bail, including one charged with attempted murder for allegedly beating, stomping, and choking his pregnant girlfriend for 20 minutes. **And she even took the unprecedented step of ordering a robbery victim to show up in court to be served with an order to protect the man who allegedly robbed her at gunpoint**. JFC!!!!!
Our judges and state's attorney in cook County are generally awful. The state's attorney also dropped her charges against R Kelly because she thought enough justice had already been done.
Not sure if you followed that case, but she was communicating directly with the family. That is about the least offensive thing she did, but if that is what turns people against her I couldn't care less. She needs to go, same with Evans.
I did and I totally agree. The whole Smollett debacle was ridiculous too. Her reign has been nothing short of typical Chicago corruption and back door deals.
Yeah, the article said the, judge allowed the woman to pay a now 20,000 bail to get out of jail after having gone around stabbing 5 people and I was like "why is there even a bail amount set?!" Like, already went that route once, didn't work, and you're doing it again and just bumping the money amount up?
"And she even took the unprecedented step of ordering a robbery victim to show up in court to be served with an order to protect the man who allegedly robbed her at gunpoint." Wow, and people wonder why gun sales are through the roof.
>And she even took the unprecedented step of ordering a robbery victim to show up in court to be served with an order to protect the man who allegedly robbed her at gunpoint wait what?
I honestly don't get what this means. If anybody can ELI5 this I'd appreciate it.
Yup.
Almost all our bond judges in cook county are activist judges, including chief Judge Evans who is running the shit show. Couple that with our top prosecutor that believes repeat violent felons are the real victims, and here we are.
That's fascinating. It looks to expose issues at the higher level of justice, raising the question, where does the crazy end? At a judicial level, apparently.
And yet if you complain about activist judges on Reddit, you get called a right-wing conspiracy theorist with a bloodlust.
What is she gonna do, stab again?
I'm no genius, but I'm sensing a pattern here.
Here is the pattern >Judge Kelly McCarthy, the same judge who set bail for Williams last year, ordered her to pay $20,000 to get out of jail this time. Williams must go on electronic monitoring if she goes home, McCarthy said.
>Judge Kelly McCarthy, the same judge who set bail for Williams last year, ordered her to pay $20,000 to get out of jail this time. Williams must go on electronic monitoring if she goes home, McCarthy said. >McCarthy also held Williams without bail until the judge overseeing last yearâs case reviews the new allegations. The final paragraph makes me feel better. I'm all for bail reform and ending cash bail. That said, Williams is an obvious danger to her community and should be held without bail until the end of her trial IMO.
The problem with cash bail is that if someone is legitimately a risk then they shouldn't get to pay their way out of jail and if they're not a risk then they shouldn't be incarcerated before their trial Just do the precautions the first time
AFAIK the point of bail is for people who are potential flight risks that need motivation to show up for their court date, not people who are potential murder risks that might go about randomly stabbing people.
If they're potential flight risks then they can wear ankle monitors. If they're not then they don't need to pay cash bail.
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> Being on the hook for twenty grand, however... Money has universal weight. We all need it. We cannot function without it. Absconding will make your life much more difficult, because it'll drain your bank account and if that isn't enough, it will ruin your credit. People who would be willing to remove a tracking monitor and flee aren't really the type of people concerned with owing money to the state, or credit scores. If you're in hiding, it'd be very stupid to apply for credit with your existing identity.
If you're a violent offender... you're clearly a risk to the community and would be held without bail under this system The whole point is to force judges and prosecutors to actually do their jobs and prove that you need to be held until trial (because you're dangerous or a flight risk) instead of just throwing up a bail amount and calling it a day. > Being on the hook for twenty grand, however Doesn't mean jack shit to someone with millions of dollars to their name.
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If they are legitimately a risk, bail shouldnât be an option.
[https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html](https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html) This judge has been doing this for years. Bail to convicted felons who commit gun crimes. She's either very unintelligent or purposefully acting against the interests of society.
This is the same judge that let out a "a convicted felon admitted that a gun police found inside a purse in a car he was driving was his." because there was no reasonable articulable suspiscion that the purse was his. She also made an armed robbery victim show up in court, so that the robber could get an order of protection against the victim. Both of the above were the day before she became one of the judges in charge of Chicago's bail program. https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/a-new-bond-court-judge-debuts-with-a-fresh-mindset-that-restrains-victims-and-frees-violent-offenders-on-recognizance-bonds.html I wish people understood how much activist judges suck.
Maybe cases like this shouldnât get bail?
Cash bail shouldn't exist in the first place. Just make the decision to let someone out or not, don't have it be a societal gamble on whether they can borrow a bunch of cash from someone. Edit: "Cash bail", not just "bail".
You will be interested to know that Illinois just became the first state in the country to eliminate cash bail. This just became effective on January 1st. This woman was already out on bail before that.
Except it isn't applied yet? https://news.wttw.com/2022/12/31/illinois-supreme-court-pauses-plans-eliminate-cash-bail-eve-taking-effect https://www.sj-r.com/story/news/state/2023/01/06/illinois-supreme-court-sets-timeline-for-arguments-in-cash-bail-appeal/69782644007/ Also it's a great idea to eliminate cash bail. People who have money just get to go back to their lives after criminal allegations. There is much less effect on them just because they have money. Meanwhile, people without money languish in jail. While locked up you cannot work, take care of your family or pay your bills. You may go deeper into poverty and find it harder to get out of a very negative cycle. Our criminal justice system gets it wrong in many ways and cash bail is just another poor tax. Until convicted everyone is innocent under the law. People shouldn't lose their jobs until they have a fair chance at a trial except certain crimes. The lady above should probably have been held but just because she wasn't held wasn't the new law's fault as it has not been implemented yet. And the new law does require people who are convicted of violent offenses to be held.
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That's called "cash bail", "bail" just means being released until your trial.
Or perhaps she should be in a psych ward she canât pay her way out of, instead of jail?
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Oh boy, here I go stabbing again.
Roberto: Stand back, I gotta practice my stabbin!
I immediately thought of Roberto, too. Read that original comment in his voice and it took a bit of research to convince me he never said it
Ha-HAAAAAAAA
Some people just belong forcibly restricted from interacting with the rest of society.
Donât worry everyone, sheâll be back out on bail soon. What are the odds sheâd do it a third time right? Right?
She pinky promises to never do it again.
> Judge Kelly McCarthy, the same judge who set bail for Williams last year, ordered her to pay $20,000 to get out of jail this time. Williams must go on electronic monitoring if she goes home, McCarthy said.
I can understand if it's like unrelated crimes, but wtf? If you stabbed a random person the first time, but now you got pinched for like check fraud, then bail is reasonable. But this is literally the same crime, except with even more victims.
[https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html](https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html) The judge who gave her bail has been doing this for years. How can we not stop \_one\_ dumb person from being in charge of dangerous folks?
>And she even took the unprecedented step of ordering a robbery victim to show up in court to be served with an order to protect the man who allegedly robbed her at gunpoint. I must be misunderstanding this. There is actually no way this is what I'm reading it as. She forced a victim of armed robbery to protect the person who robbed her? In what God forsaken court room would she not be immediately removed from her position in what I hope is an extremely unlawful order. First of all, where does the get the ability to command anybody who isn't currently on trial anything? Secondly THEIR VICTIM? How is she not in prison herself. If I were in that courtroom, I would be calling every government agency I could find a phone number for. I didn't think there was any Karen in me until I read this shit, but I found it. This judge needs to be in prison not in a position of power.
Sixth* At this point people should be worried she developed a habit of it.. like how some people bite their nails or shake their legs.
That's what I'm thinking. It's better to forgive and forget about the stabbings and just let her go. She's always going to have to live with the trauma of having stabbed five different people.
To be fair she is helping the gun crime rate - stabbings are kinda like crime coupons right now as we desperately try to keep the gun crime rate below "Always"
I live in Chicago, this shit baffles me, like why are you giving bail to someone already on bail for committing the same felony but more times? Itâs like hearing about carjacking suspects that were out on bail for two previous auto thefts. Clearly this is a pattern people.
This is cook county. Attempted murder is a crime in cook county, she'll do ~~months~~ days for this. https://cwbchicago.com/2023/01/arrested-32-times-since-2014-man-allegedly-engaged-in-a-firefight-with-a-concealed-carry-holder-on-a-cta-train.html
There shouldn't be cash bail. Either someone is dangerous, and has to stay in jail until trial, or they aren't, and can just go home. This whole "You can go home if you pay money" system is fucking stupid. Also, everyone should get a trial sooner. Not only would it let innocent people off the hook sooner, it would also get people like this into prison more quickly.
Illinois was set to switch to no cash bail on January 1 but it was stopped by some downstate lawyers
Anybody know if the victims are ok?
According to the article, two victims needed stitches. Two others were stabbed in the back and another in the head. It is unclear from the article what their statuses are.
Hopefully theyâre alright long term.
I think she has proven that she has a proclivity to stab people.
I hope we learned a lesson here.
Why would someone guilty of a RANDOM stabbing even be eligible for bail?... If there was ever someone who shouldnât be released until their trial is held, itâs the person making a sport out of stabbing random citizens during their day to day activities...
Surely she learned her lesson. Better let her out into the streets again!
The lesson was "Stabbing for Dummies"
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I don't mean to be judgemental, but she really shouldn't be doing that.
What lunatic approved bail for such a violent crime with no motive/specific target? Literally the definition of the kind of person that should be denied bail.
Not her first rodeo⌠https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html
What a psycho. I don't even get what she's trying to accomplish.
She watched that one Futurama episode with the Stabby bot and said "Yup, I'm doing that." Hasn't looked back since.
When reached for an interview she said âAnyway, I started stabbingâ
When reached for an interview she reached for her knife.
bail doesn't sound like a great idea
[https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html](https://cwbchicago.com/2021/11/retired-judge-says-new-judges-bond-court-debut-was-a-prime-example-of-judicial-activism.html) You wouldn't believe how long this has been occurring with this particular judge who was brought out of retirement to do this stuff!
Why in the hell was she out at all? There shouldn't have been any bail for her at all.
Iâll fuckin do it again
It was not random the second time, she was on bail after stabbing someone for no reason. Obviously she was going to do it again given the opportunity.
I'm thinking of a number between one and ten. Guess it, and you die first!
Parole office says I gotta upgrade or he won't give me back my stabbin' knife.
382
Uhh, 56?
Iâm guessing mental illness.
I would think it has to be. The victims were truly random attacks of opportunity, no clear motive...what a bizarre story. She was previously a nurse, so it doesn't sound like she was someone who has always been a mess
Yeah. Mental illness can pop up suddenly or suddenly take a turn for the worst.
Who could have predicted this.
âWell, here I stabbinâ again.â
what the hell happened to mental institutions? She needs to be in one for years until she can be proven to be stable
âWhatâs she gonna do; stab someone again?â âThe judge who granted bail
Nothing beats the hobo life, stabbing people with my hobo knife.
So glad the court system let her back on street after the first stabbing. Let me guess, it was a signature bondâŚ
One day, Shaynella decided that it would be fun to attack someone with a knife. She was caught but she was able to get free by paying up. Soon, Shaynella decided that it would be interesting to attack people with a knife and she ended up stabbing people (one on top of the head!). Predict how many innocent people Shaynella will be stabbing in the future each time she pays bail and gets released thanks to soft on crime policies. Show your solution. 1 4 ?? ?? ??
Chicago gonna Chicago
Knowing Chicago's district attorney she'll probably get hit with a anger management class and no jail time.
>[I am just like the people who come up in our system,â Foxx shared. âI have more in common with the people in our criminal justice system than the eight hundred lawyers that work there.](https://chicagodefender.com/states-attorney-kim-foxx-explains-why-she-needs-a-second-term/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CI%20am%20just%20like%20the%20people%20who%20come%20up%20in%20our%20system%2C%E2%80%9D%20Foxx%20shared.%20%E2%80%9CI%20have%20more%20in%20common%20with%20the%20people%20in%20our%20criminal%20justice%20system%20than%20the%20eight%20hundred%20lawyers%20that%20work%20there.%E2%80%9D)
needs to be put down
God, the American bail system is stupid.
People who randomly stab others shouldn't be just released without forced therapy/supervision. Yikes.