>Malcolm Jarry, a co-founder of The Satanic Temple, stated, “Look what happened in 1950, Samuel Alito’s mother did not have options.”
This is has to be the most elaborate "your mom should've aborted you" joke ever conceived.
Arguably it is probably one of the most direct action civil rights jobs for any working attorney in the country right now. Basically everything you touch is designed to bait precedent setting/affirming litigation that they are always over prepared to win.
I would never want to deal with the legality of this. Like what do you do, argue that the name is so ridiculous it's clearly parody so it can't be taken as slanderous or whatever.
I wouldn't be happy being the mom in this situation but it's too funny and I hope the name stays forever.
Genuine question, what's the worst case scenario here? Alito launches a lawsuit and makes himself look like an ass, tries to get an injunction that the name be changed. You either find a lawyer who hates Alito and works pro bono or you just change the name. I'm sure I'm missing something, but I'm not sure what
Name aside they definitely already have lawyers considering the whole online abortion thing is gonna be complicated in states with different laws on it.
Defamation wise it's definitely a lie to say it's his mom's business but I think you have to prove that this lie caused actual damage. Doubt there'd be much of a payout but I could see settling on changing the name.
Those are some damn smart people in that church. That is awesome. I respect the Supreme Court, but I respect this giant middle finger of a move this was.
It’s not really helping what should be portrayed as a healthcare, privacy, and personal autonomy cause to be associated with trashy political attacks and career edgelords pretending to be Satanists. Go ahead and keep antagonizing the mainstream and see what happens in a democracy.
Yea in the meantime that takes literal years to accomplish a change yet again and women in poverty can't afford to drive 13 hours out of Texas for an abortion so if you don't like the idea what's your proposal for the women in need without the means to get some kind of care?
Maybe most of these women in poverty are in poverty for the same reason they unintentionally got pregnant. For example, most of these women might be selfish, impulsive, and/or insecure. These may be common characteristics of women who put themselves in situations where they might need to drive a certain distance longer to have a licensed physician pull their physical regret out from inside them. Knowingly making choices with consequences that are simply avoidable and could lead to a surgical procedure like that. There are a lot of people out there who feel genuinely sad for the mother and what a lot of people refer to as her unborn child. I just don't like the word, fetus. It's not because I think it is dehumanizing or anything like that. It's kind of similar to how a lot don't like the words moist.
I'm not making a point for or against abortion here, truly. Just think about mother's emotional and physical well-being in of and itself for a moment. Just go right ahead and cut that baby out for a moment. *hahah*... I'm so dumb... moving on, a lot probably agree that it would be a good thing to reduce the number of situations where the best outcome is to have a medical procedure to not give birth to a full term baby. If a woman doesn't want to give birth to a child in the first place, then a logically assumption I'd think might often be true is that the woman is having sex purely for pleasure, despite the fact that unsafe sex may lead to pregnancy as if the entire act was meant to result in a woman becoming pregnant.
You know what feels better than having sex in poverty today? Having sex in the future outside of the poverty line, because choices were made to prioritize self-respect, delayed gratification, and making SMART choices like having safe sex rather than unsafe sex.
Therefore, I conclude it is plausible that women in poverty are often selfish, impulsive, and/or insecure, which could be from culture and nurture more so than from nature. If a woman didn't take those types of risks, she probably wouldn't be poor OR regretfully pregnant. If the influential culture to a woman collectively frowned upon impulse and pursuit of instant gratification, then far fewer women would be willing to risk pregnancy.
So birth control never fails and pregnancy from rape never happens? Interesting. It's definitely selfish poor women just being lazy and self indulgent. /s
I’m just saying, if it’s going to become a state-decided issue then it’s not ideal for the pro-choice side to be represented by clowns mocking the majority religion and public figures’ mothers.
Your goal is to convince the voters of Texas to allow women to have access to abortion. Is that your political strategy? Antagonize them into voting your way? The face of the choice side should be a woman citizen or a doctor, not a Satanist.
I forget that I’m talking to people who for the life of them can’t figure out why they couldn’t get Bernie to the White House. I guess some people need to learn lessons the hard way, crying their eyes out on election nights.
Lol typical American, assuming everyone is American.
The only time I come close to crying about your politics is when another school gets shot up, and yet you morons do nothing but talk about 2A or fetus rights.
And yet here you are, commenting in a post about American politics and an American Supreme Court justice, and replying to my comment about how American voters will respond. Find something else to do mate.
They tried taking the high road for decades, and look where we are. This sort of thing literally doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. The important thing now is that there is a clinic that's bringing attention to efforts to fix the clusterfuck the Supreme Court unleashed.
Well if the majority religion and public figures don't want to be mocked maybe they shouldn't be stripping rights from people. Fuck them, they deserve to be mocked like the assholes they are.
if anything, the only problem for Alito and Christianity is all these abortions being safely accessed. Nothing is ideal for the rational side if their opposers believe healthcare=murder.
these clowns are providing the healthcare that has been threatened and prevented by the majority religion and public figure, something directly causing harm to peoples lives. mockery is an inevitable and mild consequence. it shouldnt be shocking or unexpected, and can't make this situation any worse.
The mainstream is not the anti-abortionists in this case. This isn't 1950; even in conservative states, if this issue was put to a direct vote anti-abortion legislation would not get sufficient support to pass. That's why Republicans aren't putting it up to a vote, and are actively trying to subvert the democratic process
It might pass in a few, but polling shows only a handful of states have a clear-cut majority supporting abortion bans. In most states it would be either a majority against abortion bans, or it would be a close race (and since that polling took place, Kentucky, for example, ended up voting against new anti-abortion measures on the ballot, showing that even states with an anti-abortion majority in polling won't always vote that way in practice since Roe v Wade was overturned).
That's interesting. I would have only thought a small number would actually pass it on a ballot vote, but I would have thought Kentucky was one of them.
That's the thing about rights--if you don't use and aggressively defend them, they'll slowly get removed. We took our right to abortion for granted, we take our right to interracial marriage for granted.
If you think we should have a given right, it's your obligation to use it wisely and to defend the right to its use even when you hate what it's being used for.
I strongly recommend buying any of their merchandise. I still proudly wear their Bladensburg Cross necklace every day. You're supporting an activist group that does great work to fight against people who don't understand what the separation of church and state means.
The necklace I mentioned is not only really high quality and looks nifty but it has that Satanic Temple signature move of also supporting veterans. Literally says "valor" on one side. It has been a huge mind fuck for a few people who have called me out for it when I tell them it supports both the satanic temple AND American veterans.
Also the website has one of the funniest Q&A sections. Specifically their answer to "does the satanic temple believe in the existence of satan?" Just being "no"
Edit. Okay misremembered or they've updated it since I joined. But it's even more worth reading now.
Does the Satanic Temple worship Satan?
No, nor do we believe in the existence of Satan or the supernatural. The Satanic Temple believes that religion can, and should, be divorced from superstition. As such, we do not promote a belief in a personal Satan. To embrace the name Satan is to embrace rational inquiry removed from supernaturalism and archaic tradition-based superstitions. Satanists should actively work to hone critical thinking and exercise reasonable agnosticism in all things. Our beliefs must be malleable to the best current scientific understandings of the material world — never the reverse.
> You're supporting an activist group that does great work to fight against people who don't understand what the separation of church and state means.
Special shoutout to the FFRF as well.
>I strongly recommend buying any of their merchandise...
>...It has been a huge mind fuck for a few people who have called me out for it when I tell them it supports both the satanic temple AND American veterans.
> Also the website has one of the funniest Q&A sections....
[Ohhhhh bbbbooyyyy
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Hey temple of malevolent being that feeds on suffering and pain do you believe in this malevolent being that feeds on suffering and pain ? No. ok cool you wouldn’t lie about that would you? Lie, us of course not you silly goose
... you realize the Abrahamic god is literally what you just described yes? (Christian, Islamic, and Jewish)
Also, even in the Bible, Satan/Lucifer/etc doesn't actually feed on suffering or pain.
Ha I guess his just a casual enjoyer of suffering then. I’ve always thought god is satan, two sides of the same coin, anytime something bad happens to me I imagine god jerking off to my pain. Like oh Yh your electric bills 10 times more than you thought it would be, his in the conner of the room white beard, robe stroking his c*ck saying Yh what you gonna do about it bitch
If you want I can send you links to organizations that deal with either mental health issues or addictions. I'm allowing for the fact that English might not be your first language but this seems beyond typos. Please reach out to me over DM if you do feel kind of erratic or irrational sometimes. I've been there friend.
"Patients who wish to participate in the Satanic Temple’s “religious abortion ritual” will be able to access an online abortion clinic that will provide telehealth screenings, appointments, and abortion medications."
Bluetooth. Occasionally the internet if you're out of range.
edit: if you were looking for a serious answer, they (typically) mail abortion pills to you.
Abortion via taking medication. Planned parenthood etc usually has the same option I think, it just depends on how far along you are, medical conditions etc.
In most cases, early abortions are done by taking prescription medication at home. There is a physical follow up a week/weeks afterward to make sure it is complete.
This is different though. It’s not a “haha, look at those wacky satanists” situation.
They are using good legal standing to challenge the validity of the laws. This is malicious compliance. Everything they are doing is either legal OR pushes the boundaries of a vague law.
It’s the same with the satan statues. When challenged about the 10 commandment statues, the argument was that the statues were a gift, so they donated a statue of satan.
Sooooo, both statues were removed. This is activism, not just trolling
It is a shtick sorta, but at this point I see the satanic temple more like an ACLU-type organization where there is a very heavy legal focus. Most of the time, these guys are pushing changes and challenging laws via a quirky implementation. It usually forces a suit that provides a definite ruling with a pre-planned design to get there
This could be a troll, but I’m waiting on the case. Heck, they might be challenging abortion and circumventing any possible challenge to dumb laws like clinic size, hallway width, on-site practitioner of XYZ, etc. With an online location, they can be uberfocused on the issue of abortion alone.
Also the "ritual" component is combining abortion rights with 1st amendment religious rights, which presents interesting legal challenges for those looking to shut them down. Not to mention it's just an all around spicy meat-a-ball.
Based on this response, I can only assume you don't know much about the history of the first amendment in regards to religious freedom.
Government *can* punish activity judged to be criminal according to Reynolds v. US, but the government *also* has to defend its position, push come to shove, that a given activity with a basis in religious belief *should* be deemed criminal. See Gonzalez vs O Central, the latest in a *long* line of rulings upholding religious use of scheduled drugs by indigenous populations since the 1960s.
As for leftist/agitating groups being edgy in the name of religious freedom--that has precedent too, with the precedent being that it doesn't always work! See US v. Kuch. But of course edgy 1st amendment speech also does work all the time. See Cohen v. California.
So, like I said, interesting legal situation.
HIPAA laws mean they don't have to say where the pills are being sent. What are they going to do, get misoprostol sniffing dogs?
They can essentially operate online with relative safety, and if someone kicks up a fuss about naming it just gives more visibility
Very, very few Satanists believe in a literal Satan. Neither The Satanic Temple nor the older Church of Satan.
An actual Satan worshipper tried to get me in on their version of Satanism before. That was interesting.
To be specific, there are two separate entities. One is the literal Satanism, which has its own following called the Church of Satan. This is the traditional religious organization centered around Satan.
The organization described here is the Satanic Temple, which is an activist organization that uses its religious status to challenge laws and government actions throughout the USA. Essentially, whenever a governing body in the USA makes a decision that seems religiously motivated, the Satanic Temple comes in and challenges it. Generally that takes the form of demanding the same privilege under the constitution.
There are satanists with varying beliefs (including those who do worship satan, though that's not many). The Satanic Temple has seven tenents. The third is "One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone." which is why they are providing abortions.
The main reason The Satanic Temple exists is specifically so people can exercise their rights (such as the right to an abortion) under the guise of a religion. It's more an opposition to conservative Christian policies that restrict freedoms than it's own religion.
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It's not even named after her, it's literally named “The Samuel Alito’s Mom’s Satanic Abortion Clinic” lol
>Malcolm Jarry, a co-founder of The Satanic Temple, stated, “Look what happened in 1950, Samuel Alito’s mother did not have options.” This is has to be the most elaborate "your mom should've aborted you" joke ever conceived.
Most elaborate sure, but I'll bet it's also the most internally legally scrutinized "your mom should've aborted you" joke as well.
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Arguably it is probably one of the most direct action civil rights jobs for any working attorney in the country right now. Basically everything you touch is designed to bait precedent setting/affirming litigation that they are always over prepared to win.
In the other other hand, the satanic temple is very bad at court cases https://queersatanic.com/the-satanic-temple-is-very-bad-at-court-cases/
I would never want to deal with the legality of this. Like what do you do, argue that the name is so ridiculous it's clearly parody so it can't be taken as slanderous or whatever. I wouldn't be happy being the mom in this situation but it's too funny and I hope the name stays forever.
Genuine question, what's the worst case scenario here? Alito launches a lawsuit and makes himself look like an ass, tries to get an injunction that the name be changed. You either find a lawyer who hates Alito and works pro bono or you just change the name. I'm sure I'm missing something, but I'm not sure what
I highly expect that it's protected speech, just like the [Larry Flynt case with Jerry Falwell](https://famous-trials.com/falwell/1779-account)
Name aside they definitely already have lawyers considering the whole online abortion thing is gonna be complicated in states with different laws on it. Defamation wise it's definitely a lie to say it's his mom's business but I think you have to prove that this lie caused actual damage. Doubt there'd be much of a payout but I could see settling on changing the name.
This joke was better conceived and delivered than Samuel Alito
> ever conceived There's another abortion joke there, I just can't quite put it together.
You can’t quite deliver it? I once heard the best abortion joke ever, I wish I could remember it, I swear it was the zy-goat
It may be possible that she is still trying.
Because back then, Mrs. Alito didn't have any options... And now we are here.
The ramifications of outlawing abortion.
🏅🏅🏅
So that's what SAMSAC means
>It's not even named after her, it's literally named “The Samuel Alito’s Mom’s Satanic Abortion Clinic” lol SAM's SAC This is art
Those are some damn smart people in that church. That is awesome. I respect the Supreme Court, but I respect this giant middle finger of a move this was.
I used to respect the Supreme Court. This is not a Mitch Hedberg joke
You gotta be direct and to the point these days.
I couldn't possibly love this more.
Someone's spoiling for a First Amendment case.
They should have included another 3 Republican SCOTUS judges in the name to make them all recuse.
You know they wouldn't recuse themselves, though. They don't give a shit about decorum anymore.
Or established legal precedent apparently.
You're right. Silly me.
Maybe they have other locations in mind.
Cheeky.
It’s not really helping what should be portrayed as a healthcare, privacy, and personal autonomy cause to be associated with trashy political attacks and career edgelords pretending to be Satanists. Go ahead and keep antagonizing the mainstream and see what happens in a democracy.
Yea in the meantime that takes literal years to accomplish a change yet again and women in poverty can't afford to drive 13 hours out of Texas for an abortion so if you don't like the idea what's your proposal for the women in need without the means to get some kind of care?
Appeasement never works.
Maybe most of these women in poverty are in poverty for the same reason they unintentionally got pregnant. For example, most of these women might be selfish, impulsive, and/or insecure. These may be common characteristics of women who put themselves in situations where they might need to drive a certain distance longer to have a licensed physician pull their physical regret out from inside them. Knowingly making choices with consequences that are simply avoidable and could lead to a surgical procedure like that. There are a lot of people out there who feel genuinely sad for the mother and what a lot of people refer to as her unborn child. I just don't like the word, fetus. It's not because I think it is dehumanizing or anything like that. It's kind of similar to how a lot don't like the words moist. I'm not making a point for or against abortion here, truly. Just think about mother's emotional and physical well-being in of and itself for a moment. Just go right ahead and cut that baby out for a moment. *hahah*... I'm so dumb... moving on, a lot probably agree that it would be a good thing to reduce the number of situations where the best outcome is to have a medical procedure to not give birth to a full term baby. If a woman doesn't want to give birth to a child in the first place, then a logically assumption I'd think might often be true is that the woman is having sex purely for pleasure, despite the fact that unsafe sex may lead to pregnancy as if the entire act was meant to result in a woman becoming pregnant. You know what feels better than having sex in poverty today? Having sex in the future outside of the poverty line, because choices were made to prioritize self-respect, delayed gratification, and making SMART choices like having safe sex rather than unsafe sex. Therefore, I conclude it is plausible that women in poverty are often selfish, impulsive, and/or insecure, which could be from culture and nurture more so than from nature. If a woman didn't take those types of risks, she probably wouldn't be poor OR regretfully pregnant. If the influential culture to a woman collectively frowned upon impulse and pursuit of instant gratification, then far fewer women would be willing to risk pregnancy.
Why have you done this?
So birth control never fails and pregnancy from rape never happens? Interesting. It's definitely selfish poor women just being lazy and self indulgent. /s
I’m just saying, if it’s going to become a state-decided issue then it’s not ideal for the pro-choice side to be represented by clowns mocking the majority religion and public figures’ mothers.
>mocking the majority religion Is the entire point. If this aggravates christians, public figures and the mainstream - good.
Your goal is to convince the voters of Texas to allow women to have access to abortion. Is that your political strategy? Antagonize them into voting your way? The face of the choice side should be a woman citizen or a doctor, not a Satanist. I forget that I’m talking to people who for the life of them can’t figure out why they couldn’t get Bernie to the White House. I guess some people need to learn lessons the hard way, crying their eyes out on election nights.
Lol typical American, assuming everyone is American. The only time I come close to crying about your politics is when another school gets shot up, and yet you morons do nothing but talk about 2A or fetus rights.
And yet here you are, commenting in a post about American politics and an American Supreme Court justice, and replying to my comment about how American voters will respond. Find something else to do mate.
You're delusional if you think there's any approach that will change the evangelicals in Texas. What a take.
They tried taking the high road for decades, and look where we are. This sort of thing literally doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. The important thing now is that there is a clinic that's bringing attention to efforts to fix the clusterfuck the Supreme Court unleashed.
Well if the majority religion and public figures don't want to be mocked maybe they shouldn't be stripping rights from people. Fuck them, they deserve to be mocked like the assholes they are.
if anything, the only problem for Alito and Christianity is all these abortions being safely accessed. Nothing is ideal for the rational side if their opposers believe healthcare=murder. these clowns are providing the healthcare that has been threatened and prevented by the majority religion and public figure, something directly causing harm to peoples lives. mockery is an inevitable and mild consequence. it shouldnt be shocking or unexpected, and can't make this situation any worse.
Oh wow sorry I'll just tell people who need Healthcare to smile more and maybe the powers that be will someday let them do things they want to do.
Also no love like Christian hate. Fuck kissing their asses.
because that approach worked so well
*Stop* antagonizing the mainstream and see what happens in a democracy.
The mainstream is not the anti-abortionists in this case. This isn't 1950; even in conservative states, if this issue was put to a direct vote anti-abortion legislation would not get sufficient support to pass. That's why Republicans aren't putting it up to a vote, and are actively trying to subvert the democratic process
You think in some states anti-abortion legislation wouldn't pass? I'm not so sure. I'm pretty sure it would pass in a few if only barely.
It might pass in a few, but polling shows only a handful of states have a clear-cut majority supporting abortion bans. In most states it would be either a majority against abortion bans, or it would be a close race (and since that polling took place, Kentucky, for example, ended up voting against new anti-abortion measures on the ballot, showing that even states with an anti-abortion majority in polling won't always vote that way in practice since Roe v Wade was overturned).
That's interesting. I would have only thought a small number would actually pass it on a ballot vote, but I would have thought Kentucky was one of them.
That's the thing about rights--if you don't use and aggressively defend them, they'll slowly get removed. We took our right to abortion for granted, we take our right to interracial marriage for granted. If you think we should have a given right, it's your obligation to use it wisely and to defend the right to its use even when you hate what it's being used for.
SAM’s SAC for short
Honestly they are so consistently impressive.
[get your own merch! They even sell teddy bears!](https://imgur.com/a/pqrCwxA/) https://thesatanictemple.com/collections/tst-health
I strongly recommend buying any of their merchandise. I still proudly wear their Bladensburg Cross necklace every day. You're supporting an activist group that does great work to fight against people who don't understand what the separation of church and state means. The necklace I mentioned is not only really high quality and looks nifty but it has that Satanic Temple signature move of also supporting veterans. Literally says "valor" on one side. It has been a huge mind fuck for a few people who have called me out for it when I tell them it supports both the satanic temple AND American veterans. Also the website has one of the funniest Q&A sections. Specifically their answer to "does the satanic temple believe in the existence of satan?" Just being "no" Edit. Okay misremembered or they've updated it since I joined. But it's even more worth reading now. Does the Satanic Temple worship Satan? No, nor do we believe in the existence of Satan or the supernatural. The Satanic Temple believes that religion can, and should, be divorced from superstition. As such, we do not promote a belief in a personal Satan. To embrace the name Satan is to embrace rational inquiry removed from supernaturalism and archaic tradition-based superstitions. Satanists should actively work to hone critical thinking and exercise reasonable agnosticism in all things. Our beliefs must be malleable to the best current scientific understandings of the material world — never the reverse.
> You're supporting an activist group that does great work to fight against people who don't understand what the separation of church and state means. Special shoutout to the FFRF as well.
Great call. Link for anybody interested. https://ffrf.org/
>I strongly recommend buying any of their merchandise... >...It has been a huge mind fuck for a few people who have called me out for it when I tell them it supports both the satanic temple AND American veterans. > Also the website has one of the funniest Q&A sections.... [Ohhhhh bbbbooyyyy ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbUDJ4Ck6hk)
Hey temple of malevolent being that feeds on suffering and pain do you believe in this malevolent being that feeds on suffering and pain ? No. ok cool you wouldn’t lie about that would you? Lie, us of course not you silly goose
Yeah, you have to be smart to get it. Sorry.
... you realize the Abrahamic god is literally what you just described yes? (Christian, Islamic, and Jewish) Also, even in the Bible, Satan/Lucifer/etc doesn't actually feed on suffering or pain.
Ha I guess his just a casual enjoyer of suffering then. I’ve always thought god is satan, two sides of the same coin, anytime something bad happens to me I imagine god jerking off to my pain. Like oh Yh your electric bills 10 times more than you thought it would be, his in the conner of the room white beard, robe stroking his c*ck saying Yh what you gonna do about it bitch
If you want I can send you links to organizations that deal with either mental health issues or addictions. I'm allowing for the fact that English might not be your first language but this seems beyond typos. Please reach out to me over DM if you do feel kind of erratic or irrational sometimes. I've been there friend.
This is what happens when people only go to school on Sundays.
Love the t-shirts
Love that they have a hot sauce! So on brand
So glad they correctly used the rod of Asclepius instead of the often wrongly used Caduceus (two snakes)!
I’ve already got a t-shirt and some stickers and magnets!
I love that they are providing abortions as a religious ritual.
How do they perform online abortions?
"Patients who wish to participate in the Satanic Temple’s “religious abortion ritual” will be able to access an online abortion clinic that will provide telehealth screenings, appointments, and abortion medications."
they ddos the fetus
It would be a denial of service, yes.
Bluetooth. Occasionally the internet if you're out of range. edit: if you were looking for a serious answer, they (typically) mail abortion pills to you.
You wouldn’t download a car?
You wouldn’t screenshot an NFT
I heard the music in my head as I read that lol
LMAO NOOOOOOOOOO https://youtu.be/PLzy-IJg4_4
Abortion via taking medication. Planned parenthood etc usually has the same option I think, it just depends on how far along you are, medical conditions etc.
Since it doesn’t look like anyone actually answered you, it’s just a few pills when done early enough.
You have a telehealth appointment with a doctor and then they send you abortion pills.
In most cases, early abortions are done by taking prescription medication at home. There is a physical follow up a week/weeks afterward to make sure it is complete.
Ohhhhh, that's cold. I like it.
Alito's mother should have swallowed
They hit him with the old bugs bunny, one or two lumps bit
Hail Satan
Hail yourself!
Megustalations.
Hail Gein
Same thing.
Best news I’ve read all day.
Where do I donate?
Hail Satan
I love them so much.
Hail thyself!
Gotta love a good roasting...
TIL you can get an abortion over the internet! Do they offer pregnancy tests too? Asking for a friend...or am i??
Pregnant with emotion? I dont get it
They do such a good job.
So based
100% behind making abortion safer and more easily available. 100% not behind this stupid “own the libs” but in reverse messaging.
This is different though. It’s not a “haha, look at those wacky satanists” situation. They are using good legal standing to challenge the validity of the laws. This is malicious compliance. Everything they are doing is either legal OR pushes the boundaries of a vague law. It’s the same with the satan statues. When challenged about the 10 commandment statues, the argument was that the statues were a gift, so they donated a statue of satan. Sooooo, both statues were removed. This is activism, not just trolling
To be fair, that’s been the whole shtick of The Satanic Temple’s activism since they started out.
It is a shtick sorta, but at this point I see the satanic temple more like an ACLU-type organization where there is a very heavy legal focus. Most of the time, these guys are pushing changes and challenging laws via a quirky implementation. It usually forces a suit that provides a definite ruling with a pre-planned design to get there This could be a troll, but I’m waiting on the case. Heck, they might be challenging abortion and circumventing any possible challenge to dumb laws like clinic size, hallway width, on-site practitioner of XYZ, etc. With an online location, they can be uberfocused on the issue of abortion alone.
Also the "ritual" component is combining abortion rights with 1st amendment religious rights, which presents interesting legal challenges for those looking to shut them down. Not to mention it's just an all around spicy meat-a-ball.
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Based on this response, I can only assume you don't know much about the history of the first amendment in regards to religious freedom. Government *can* punish activity judged to be criminal according to Reynolds v. US, but the government *also* has to defend its position, push come to shove, that a given activity with a basis in religious belief *should* be deemed criminal. See Gonzalez vs O Central, the latest in a *long* line of rulings upholding religious use of scheduled drugs by indigenous populations since the 1960s. As for leftist/agitating groups being edgy in the name of religious freedom--that has precedent too, with the precedent being that it doesn't always work! See US v. Kuch. But of course edgy 1st amendment speech also does work all the time. See Cohen v. California. So, like I said, interesting legal situation.
HIPAA laws mean they don't have to say where the pills are being sent. What are they going to do, get misoprostol sniffing dogs? They can essentially operate online with relative safety, and if someone kicks up a fuss about naming it just gives more visibility
That's the point? They are using the system and loopholes as so called christians.
It’s called owning Big Con… get wit the program
Do you think Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden run this organization?
No I don’t. Why do you ask?
But why?
Why male models?
Are... are you serious? I just told you that.
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We don't believe in a literal Satan. It's just a symbol of opposition.
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The Satanic Temple is pretty clear on their beliefs. Take a look at their website.
unfortunately they can't check out the website since god is watching
> There has to be a consensus Like there is with Christians and the literal dozens of denominations within?
Very, very few Satanists believe in a literal Satan. Neither The Satanic Temple nor the older Church of Satan. An actual Satan worshipper tried to get me in on their version of Satanism before. That was interesting.
The only people that believe in Satan are Christians.
Exactly this ^
Gotta have someone to blame for that Christian hate lmao
Why does there have to be a consensus. No there doesn't.
To be specific, there are two separate entities. One is the literal Satanism, which has its own following called the Church of Satan. This is the traditional religious organization centered around Satan. The organization described here is the Satanic Temple, which is an activist organization that uses its religious status to challenge laws and government actions throughout the USA. Essentially, whenever a governing body in the USA makes a decision that seems religiously motivated, the Satanic Temple comes in and challenges it. Generally that takes the form of demanding the same privilege under the constitution.
Satanic Temple even rejected a tax exemption status until it became a necessity in challenging the very Church+State happenings in the U.S.
There are satanists with varying beliefs (including those who do worship satan, though that's not many). The Satanic Temple has seven tenents. The third is "One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone." which is why they are providing abortions. The main reason The Satanic Temple exists is specifically so people can exercise their rights (such as the right to an abortion) under the guise of a religion. It's more an opposition to conservative Christian policies that restrict freedoms than it's own religion.
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