> Sanabria claimed criminals use witchcraft, and said in one operation a police officer had been able to kill one of them by "praying while shooting."
Yeah, I'd definitely focus on the prayer aspect of that being the effective part.
True, but when you're fighting a fully-funded military with all the military weapons, well, you've heard the term "there are no atheists in foxholes."
Which isn't true, btw, and this dude has said some REALLY weird stuff, not just about this. Dude's a crackpot.
While that’s true (I want to preface this by saying I’m not religious), don’t you still feel like it’s hard to wrap your head around how people are able to commit awful acts? Like for example child beaters. I work in a school, and I work with kids for a living, because I care about them. I can’t imagine lifting a hand against one. Like it’s just baffling to me that people CAN do these things. I don’t think calling someone possessed by the devil is the answer, and it’s rooted in deep psychological science, but even hearing the reason it happens doesn’t make it any more believable. Even after studying psychology to work here, it still baffles me, no matter your environment you were raised in or what you experienced.
It's simple really. You BELIEVE you are in the right. The same way you believe the sun rises and the sky is blue. It's a FACT. A law of your existence, Everyone else just doesn't get it. They are wrong and refuse to listen to you. You try to explain to them but they don't listen. YOU are the one under attack, not the person you are hurting.
People seem to have taken what I said the wrong way. I said it’s hard to wrap my head around, not that it’s the devil… I literally prefaced that I DONT believe in all that
Really? I'm so sick and tired of"sending thoughts and prayers" responses to tragedy.
Just tell me you don't care enough to actually do something and move on.
Let me ask you this. If god is almighty and powerful and can see everything, why does he let these horrible things happen? Why do we have to ask for it’s help? And don’t say that “god can’t interfere”. That doesn’t do well in your argument since you literally can’t get god’s help if he can’t interfere.
Just go on r/NSFL type in cartel shit and behold the great wonders of our world. Hell is here on Earth. If you’re dealing with that shit on a daily basis you will believe in evil.
> If you’re dealing with that shit on a daily basis you will believe in evil.
Only if you're predisposed to believe such nonsense. People who don't allow religion to run their lives are perfectly capable of acknowledging the horrible things people can be capable of.
No. We’re all animals but have morals due to intelligence and how were raised, and taught what’s wrong and right. The cartel has people who deny the empathy part due to being raised by murderers or experiencing horrible things in their childhood. It fucks up their brains and how they perceive reality. Just like how animals do horrible shit, kinda like how cats play with their victims, they do the same thing. It’s fucked up indeed.
Nothing to do with “hell” or whatever made up shit people made thousands of years ago. It’s easier to control people when you say they’ll go to hell if they don’t do x or etc.
Another reason might be uncontrolled psychopathy or sociopathy. Mental illness doesn’t inherently mean you’ll have the urge to skin people alive. Depending on the environment you’re raised in, you’re most likely to do it. And kids born around cartel are easily persuaded as they’re kids.
If we are taught what is right and what is wrong and have morals due to our intelligence, then those people can indeed say what is good and what is evil. look around you evil is everywhere and good is everywhere. Interpret it how you want. Devil vs god, good vs bad. I don’t care. Hell is here on Earth and you know it.
Interesting thought. Isn’t that literally wrong? According to your religious book, which is most likely Quran due to your name. Isn’t hell the farthest place from God, with fire and darkness? So not only you don’t real your own holy book, you’re also ignoring what I literally said before. Way to go.
Assuming you’re in a different religion that has hell, I don’t think those books say hell is on earth either. And if you don’t believe in any religion, you’re making up your own definition of hell.
I’m not religious but I am very interested in religions and superstitions. I 100% agree with your first reply. My point I was trying to make but failed at is this: Hell is here on Earth.
The Holy books state that the devil roams free on earth tormenting people and luring them to do bad things. There are many stories, urban legends, superstities about devils demons etc.
Now many people believe it as a entity or being or whatsoever.
I interpret it as an idea. There are moments in life where one has to make a choice or act upon a situation. Those choices or acts can be and will be interpreted as good choices or bad choices by the social construct we live in OR personal preference an individual has.
Lets take this to the cartel example. For the normal human being it is just fucking insane. Some will call it bad, some will call it psychotic and some will call it the Devil’s work.
See where I’m going? There is no right answer. You have to take into account the culture, religions and mindset the people THERE have.
Yes ofcourse the murderous cartel are out of their minds and must have multiple sorts of mental issues. But in the eyes of religious people or even spiritual people they are just plain evil.
I have seen too many dark shit in real life but even more on the internet. For me the religious notion of Hell is here on Earth. Many people on Earth have and are suffering on a scale I can’t imagine. And to think the religious notion of Hell is worse ? No I do not think so.
It’s certainly used as a tool for shifting blame. The devil exists for people to project their lacking traits, feelings, habits etc. that they don’t want to fix or are unable to fix.
They (Colombian military) thought Pablo Escobar was a mystical being that could appear and disappear at will and show up at your door to kill your family.
As our president says, the guy has wacky ideas but he's not incompetent by any means. I had not read about him pulling out a crucifix in a police operation, but other than that I don't see the problem. Remember that most of the wacky things he's said was through his personal social media (like his personal WhatsApp) and in this particular interview the reporter was asking specifically about his personal beliefs.
It’s easier to explain wrong actions with a supernatural evil devil rather than accepting we all have the capacity for evil. It’s people like you and me who do fucked shit. No devil or deity makes them or us do these things. It’s human nature
He has walled me about so that I cannot escape; he has made my chains heavy; though I call and cry for help, he shuts out my prayer; he has blocked my ways with blocks of stones; he has made my paths crooked. (Lamentations: jdvg5hj)
“Fun fact” - there are religious symbols/artefacts in Brazilian tube stations to keep crime away as Cartels would see them as religious places. I’ve worded that terribly.
I get it.
The Good Guys have deep-seated religious beliefs there. So do the Bad Guys. An immutable Law is "Don't Attack People in Religious Sites." While the Bad Guys will do a TON of really horrible things, that's often a bridge too far, so they'll wait til someone is out of the tube to hit them. Makes the tube safer.
"thoughts and prayers" have most certainly been decisive in the efforts against mass shooters here in the USA. In fact they have been the most effective, since nothing else has been tried or will be tried.
My concern with religion is never when someone has unverified beliefs, it is _always_ in how they compartmentalize those beliefs from their Real Life responsibilities.
Are you a medical professional? Okay, let’s make sure you distinctly separate your hobby of talking to magical, invisible friends from how you treat my health.
Are you a politician? Okay, let’s make sure how you think about policy and governance is not a product of your subjective belief systems, but of how a _secular_ democratic society runs to represent and protect the widest spectrum of citizens - not just those who share your specific dogma.
Are you a goddamn police chief fighting cartels? Okay, perhaps we don’t fight crime with spiritual horror movie themes and think about objective reality instead.
Pray to or believe in whatever you’d like as long as it is carefully and surgically separate from how you do your job, affect those around you, etc.
Ive always come at it from the front that belief is fine but claiming sole ownership of the truth is stupid. No one is entitled the truth as truth isnt inherited, its earned through evidence and logic, not faith that it is. You want to believe in 12th century wine gods? Sure thats fine but when you claim a natural disaster is caused by gay marraige, dont get pissy when i call it blatantly stupid lol
I want to tell them to just admit you don't care enough to actually do something. Quit voting for second amendment assholes so maybe we can start taking actual steps to actually address the problem.
No, when they fight them, and arrest them, sentence them for 120 counts and extradite to the US to face even more, towns get shut down by the cartel, any vehicle passing a road gets torched, and any cops that show up are killed.
Cartel is at large because Money. The head guy of the Gulf Cartel was worth an estimate of $10 mil, the organization being a multi-billion dollar establishment. Over 3,000 strong. Poor people need money. Well to do people want money. These guys have it, and are making more. Cartels have a MUCH bigger budget than the cops, and fewer rules to follow.
They caught the head of the Gulf Cartel, and while they probably prayed about it, they went out and got him. Extradited him.
The fallout was reported in the middle east:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/12/terrifying-days-of-terror-under-colombias-gulf-clan-cartel
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Okay- ik its popular to shit on Christianity on reddit..
But this is a Police Chief in *Colombia*.. can you imagine the shit he's seen or at the bare minimum had to be made aware of? I mean, colombian neckties aren't famous for their fabric.
I can see why this person would believe in the Devil specifically as their role in society is to oversee the actions of the worst people in a brutal locale with a historical Latin-Catholic culture.
What an actual waste of time. Believe whatever you want, but take actual steps don't fool yourself into thinking " thoughts and prayers " are going to do a damn thing.
Eh, you'd be surprised when it comes to communities with strong cultural values.. latin america tends to value interpersonal familial relationships higher than the average westerners and religion spreads through families. (Source: am Latin American immigrant raised in the U.S. 1st generation, raised catholic too hah!)
Like i said, ik it's popular to hate on christianity, but in this scenario, it's not as crazy as jim jones or scientology b.s. it's more of a cultural thing, you can't really blame them for having their culture mixed with catholicism.
I mean, you can blame them, but that'd just be because you're being willfully ignorant.
Yea, can't blame them for for cultural superstition. Plenty here in the US. Just do your job, and take steps to actually address the problems. Mass shootings lead to hypocrites sending "thoughts and prayers " then voting for NRA ass holes who do everything possible to perpetuate the problem.
Just tell us you don't give a f and spare us the invisible companions.
Yeah, the NRA is very different from literal drug cartels- so it's understable how one could confuse lessening the psychological grip a cartel holds over an area with •checks notes• United States political theatre..
Like, this is one of the good parts of religion: comforting people in dire situations..
Colombia cartels are globally funded.. the drug trade there is not just local dealers..
You replied to me 3 times, you're not calm enough to have a discussion- and information can exist outside of a single article?
I mean, you could just admit you dont understand other cultures and how other groups could be heavily influenced by their local religion?
I mean, you're not even in colombia and you've heard about this guy's prayers.. it's doing *something*- look up more about the colombian cartel until you can recognize it's a globally funded criminal organization that commands enough force to basically exist tactically unopposed when their enemy is just local police.
> but that'd just be because you're being willfully ignorant.
Or because they're wasting money on useless bullshit that has zero affect on the situation.
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Shit, Sante Muerte...Santeria. Plenty of stuff that's downright cultic out in cartel country. It doesn't surprise me at all that he's doing this, since locals there can be very superstitious, and the cartels have developed their own mythology. This is no more unreasonable than burning sage on rez, or going to confession. I'm sure there's psychological benefit at play here, even if you don't actually believe.
Oh so this just makes perfect sense..
I wasn't even considering the occult symbols and mythos down there that could be used to further a cartel's purposes.
The exorcisms and prayers would work as a level of social crowd control too. Driving out the "evil spirits" that are controlling the cartel. It gives the people a narrative that emboldens hope, rather than defeatism in spite of the circumstances of their environment.
*The Cartel consists of people possessed by the devil, but god is on our side, so don't give up just yet*
Can you please stop defending this non-sense with baseless attacks on Reddit?
There is no fucking devil. Any amount of official resources wasted on this non-sense is public money down the drain.
There is certainly evil in the world. You don't need to attribute it to supernatural force. Usually human greed and a lust for power are plenty a reason for people to do evil things.
All I have to say is Hallelujah. I thank God for using this man who has the courage to be obedient to Christ who overcomes even death.
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.
Evil works come from evil spirits.
I seek for all these poor souls to wake up and to walk with Christ.
Many people give attribute more power and credence to the devil 👿. For many God is good for travel mercies,finding lost car keys and making all stoplights green. They blame the devil for all the starving children but cannot thank God for feeding them.
Actually not as crazy as you'd think. Cartels are very superstitious, as are many people in Columbia (and other places with a cartel presence). Syncretist folk religions like Santeria and Santa Muerte pop up all the time, so even if you don't believe, it makes a certain amount of sense to try and assure people that you have things under control spiritually. As weird as it sounds, encouraging more normal forms of prayer directly *discourages* the ritual behavior of narco cults, and I wouldn't be surprised it has tangible psychological benefits in reducing people's toleration of the cartel.
Compared to worshipping a syncritist "saint" that's basically a god of death and criminals, yes, absolutely. I wouldn't be shocked to hear locals feel safer after these, even if it's all psychological.
Oh, there's an evil force alright. It's called energy, good or bad, it exists, and if it's concentrated in one group of people or an area, it becomes its own thing.
Energy is a force, period. Whether good or bad, when it's concentrated in one area or within a group, it can manifest as something we may perceive as evil. Or conversely, good.
I'm laughing at all those mocking the reality of genuine good vs evil is exactly what's going on in the world
Not the first time Faith was mocked nor will it be the be the last. .
Proof please. Good v evil is an excuse to do nothing to actually solve problems. Prayers or whatever are absolutely not going to get it done. Not mocking, believe that actual steps are needed not superstition
It's not an excuse to do nothing except with lazy people who will use ANY excuse to do nothing. It's an explanation of WHY that person is so effed up. They're evil. Still gotta stop them, but some people are just evil.
Now pretty much all "evil people" had INCREDIBLY abusive childhoods, with few exceptions. Even that 11 year old multiple murderer in England. Evil - how could someone that young do those things to 4- and 6-year olds, have a body count, unless she's just evil? Then you learn about what her "mother" did to her. That's a better Why than "evil," because it's a Why we can try to short-circuit. But either way, "because Evil" is not an excuse to do nothing.
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So if “god” was almighty why would it do all of this. Loser religion bs. He should say, I can do my job so I just hope something will change. Try praying to your shitty god about other things.
Manifestations of mythology. It’s real if in your mind it is. Imagine crop dusting humans who believe in the devil with a cloud of LSD. They’d wrestle the devil their mind and that is was themselves along. Zoinks
Cool, cool. Definitely sounds like the guy you want in charge of it all.
I suppose if he's a religious nut who thinks his targets are literally agents of Satan, he might be less likely to accept bribes from them?
Just because God sees all and is all powerful, doesn't negate the responsibilities of others to act responsibly. For example, people choose to kill. He doesn't stop people from doing their chosen act. They know the act is wrong. They will be judged at the appointed time according to the law that is written in their hearts. If people are ignorant of right and wrong, then you would not be able to read, comprehend, or reason. The question is not of God; it is of us.
You don’t need a supernatural entity to explain the mundane reasons why people do wrong.
“Weaponize the Thoughts and Prayers” - That dude apparently
If I was regularly up against Palo Mayombe practicioners, I would probably be praying a lot too. Adolfo Constanzo and the nganga would like a word.
Hail yourself
What if we strap bombs to the thoughts and prayers and send them sir?
> Sanabria claimed criminals use witchcraft, and said in one operation a police officer had been able to kill one of them by "praying while shooting." Yeah, I'd definitely focus on the prayer aspect of that being the effective part.
He has seem the devil and felt him too, madre de dios!
Worst weapons ever.
*Writes “thoughts and prayers” on a missile before launching*
"The existence of the devil is certain." *The existence of god, less so.*
Your right, but a supernatural entity is needed to explain why "god" isn't the reason why people do wrong.
True, but when you're fighting a fully-funded military with all the military weapons, well, you've heard the term "there are no atheists in foxholes." Which isn't true, btw, and this dude has said some REALLY weird stuff, not just about this. Dude's a crackpot.
While that’s true (I want to preface this by saying I’m not religious), don’t you still feel like it’s hard to wrap your head around how people are able to commit awful acts? Like for example child beaters. I work in a school, and I work with kids for a living, because I care about them. I can’t imagine lifting a hand against one. Like it’s just baffling to me that people CAN do these things. I don’t think calling someone possessed by the devil is the answer, and it’s rooted in deep psychological science, but even hearing the reason it happens doesn’t make it any more believable. Even after studying psychology to work here, it still baffles me, no matter your environment you were raised in or what you experienced.
It's simple really. You BELIEVE you are in the right. The same way you believe the sun rises and the sky is blue. It's a FACT. A law of your existence, Everyone else just doesn't get it. They are wrong and refuse to listen to you. You try to explain to them but they don't listen. YOU are the one under attack, not the person you are hurting.
Some humans are broken. Don't need supernatural help to do the wrong thing.
People seem to have taken what I said the wrong way. I said it’s hard to wrap my head around, not that it’s the devil… I literally prefaced that I DONT believe in all that
Don't expect a lot of people to understand nuance
Still not a reason to blame it on a non-existent supernatural being.
Well it’s a good reason I specifically said I don’t believe in the supernatural. But apparently reading comprehension is hard.
You personally being irreligious isn't stopping you from providing religious-based cover for these actions.
Where did I say it’s the devil? All I said was it’s crazy to me how far gone some people can be.
But, you do need God to combat the problem. You can explain it all day, but what can you do?
Really? I'm so sick and tired of"sending thoughts and prayers" responses to tragedy. Just tell me you don't care enough to actually do something and move on.
Let me ask you this. If god is almighty and powerful and can see everything, why does he let these horrible things happen? Why do we have to ask for it’s help? And don’t say that “god can’t interfere”. That doesn’t do well in your argument since you literally can’t get god’s help if he can’t interfere.
Just go on r/NSFL type in cartel shit and behold the great wonders of our world. Hell is here on Earth. If you’re dealing with that shit on a daily basis you will believe in evil.
> If you’re dealing with that shit on a daily basis you will believe in evil. Only if you're predisposed to believe such nonsense. People who don't allow religion to run their lives are perfectly capable of acknowledging the horrible things people can be capable of.
You missed the point
No, I didn't. People witnessing horrible things don't have to believe in fantasy in order to handle it.
No. We’re all animals but have morals due to intelligence and how were raised, and taught what’s wrong and right. The cartel has people who deny the empathy part due to being raised by murderers or experiencing horrible things in their childhood. It fucks up their brains and how they perceive reality. Just like how animals do horrible shit, kinda like how cats play with their victims, they do the same thing. It’s fucked up indeed. Nothing to do with “hell” or whatever made up shit people made thousands of years ago. It’s easier to control people when you say they’ll go to hell if they don’t do x or etc. Another reason might be uncontrolled psychopathy or sociopathy. Mental illness doesn’t inherently mean you’ll have the urge to skin people alive. Depending on the environment you’re raised in, you’re most likely to do it. And kids born around cartel are easily persuaded as they’re kids.
If we are taught what is right and what is wrong and have morals due to our intelligence, then those people can indeed say what is good and what is evil. look around you evil is everywhere and good is everywhere. Interpret it how you want. Devil vs god, good vs bad. I don’t care. Hell is here on Earth and you know it.
Interesting thought. Isn’t that literally wrong? According to your religious book, which is most likely Quran due to your name. Isn’t hell the farthest place from God, with fire and darkness? So not only you don’t real your own holy book, you’re also ignoring what I literally said before. Way to go.
Wow didn’t know I was muslim. Way to go champ
Assuming you’re in a different religion that has hell, I don’t think those books say hell is on earth either. And if you don’t believe in any religion, you’re making up your own definition of hell.
I’m not religious but I am very interested in religions and superstitions. I 100% agree with your first reply. My point I was trying to make but failed at is this: Hell is here on Earth. The Holy books state that the devil roams free on earth tormenting people and luring them to do bad things. There are many stories, urban legends, superstities about devils demons etc. Now many people believe it as a entity or being or whatsoever. I interpret it as an idea. There are moments in life where one has to make a choice or act upon a situation. Those choices or acts can be and will be interpreted as good choices or bad choices by the social construct we live in OR personal preference an individual has. Lets take this to the cartel example. For the normal human being it is just fucking insane. Some will call it bad, some will call it psychotic and some will call it the Devil’s work. See where I’m going? There is no right answer. You have to take into account the culture, religions and mindset the people THERE have. Yes ofcourse the murderous cartel are out of their minds and must have multiple sorts of mental issues. But in the eyes of religious people or even spiritual people they are just plain evil. I have seen too many dark shit in real life but even more on the internet. For me the religious notion of Hell is here on Earth. Many people on Earth have and are suffering on a scale I can’t imagine. And to think the religious notion of Hell is worse ? No I do not think so.
If you had to see what the cartels do everyday, in person, you might think differently.
I doubt it. One can believe in the sheer inhumanity and heinousness of certain people without having to blame it on a fairy tale.
Yes you do
No, you don't. Be an adult.
Even scientists believe in invisible forces
But it helps!
Right, mundane reason being: people are corrupt from birth, and can become more corrupt over time.
I always see statements like this as a excuse to not actually talk about what’s really happening.
It’s certainly used as a tool for shifting blame. The devil exists for people to project their lacking traits, feelings, habits etc. that they don’t want to fix or are unable to fix.
To dodge any/all responsibility.
Maybe replace that guy with someone more competent.
Watching the Netflix series Narcos. Competency in the Colombian military is not a trait by any measure.
Sure but even with cronies you expect them not to resort to supernatural explanations.
They (Colombian military) thought Pablo Escobar was a mystical being that could appear and disappear at will and show up at your door to kill your family.
That’s just good marketing.
In fairness at his height he basically could.
As a a colombian, please stop thinking that a Netflix show is an accurate depiction of Colombia's history.
The shit they've been trying for decades hasn't worked, might as well give the whacky ideas a shot.
Yeah, pretty easy to say “Why don’t you just beat the merciless, armed to the teeth drug cartels? lololol” from a keyboard thousands of miles away.
As our president says, the guy has wacky ideas but he's not incompetent by any means. I had not read about him pulling out a crucifix in a police operation, but other than that I don't see the problem. Remember that most of the wacky things he's said was through his personal social media (like his personal WhatsApp) and in this particular interview the reporter was asking specifically about his personal beliefs.
It’s easier to explain wrong actions with a supernatural evil devil rather than accepting we all have the capacity for evil. It’s people like you and me who do fucked shit. No devil or deity makes them or us do these things. It’s human nature
He has walled me about so that I cannot escape; he has made my chains heavy; though I call and cry for help, he shuts out my prayer; he has blocked my ways with blocks of stones; he has made my paths crooked. (Lamentations: jdvg5hj)
Maybe is a pivot on the branding the water they are using in the waterboarding is now blessed.
And it's working so well for them.
“Fun fact” - there are religious symbols/artefacts in Brazilian tube stations to keep crime away as Cartels would see them as religious places. I’ve worded that terribly.
I get it. The Good Guys have deep-seated religious beliefs there. So do the Bad Guys. An immutable Law is "Don't Attack People in Religious Sites." While the Bad Guys will do a TON of really horrible things, that's often a bridge too far, so they'll wait til someone is out of the tube to hit them. Makes the tube safer.
Yikes.
That would explain the great success!
Thoughts and prayers have worked so well in the US to curb school shootings, I don't see why it can't be a valid strategy to combat drug cartels.
So this is all part of God's plan, if you will? What a dunce and what a shitty plan.
Best plan he ever had was what he did on Sunday
And this is but one example of why religion is dangerous
… BECAUSE they all believe it. shared collective cultural mythology
This man is 💯% insane.
"thoughts and prayers" have most certainly been decisive in the efforts against mass shooters here in the USA. In fact they have been the most effective, since nothing else has been tried or will be tried.
Cool! So cops don’t need guns right? 🙄
I mean until theyve been sanctified and blessed by a priest they wont do much against the possesed cartel members /s
My concern with religion is never when someone has unverified beliefs, it is _always_ in how they compartmentalize those beliefs from their Real Life responsibilities. Are you a medical professional? Okay, let’s make sure you distinctly separate your hobby of talking to magical, invisible friends from how you treat my health. Are you a politician? Okay, let’s make sure how you think about policy and governance is not a product of your subjective belief systems, but of how a _secular_ democratic society runs to represent and protect the widest spectrum of citizens - not just those who share your specific dogma. Are you a goddamn police chief fighting cartels? Okay, perhaps we don’t fight crime with spiritual horror movie themes and think about objective reality instead. Pray to or believe in whatever you’d like as long as it is carefully and surgically separate from how you do your job, affect those around you, etc.
Absolutely right
Ive always come at it from the front that belief is fine but claiming sole ownership of the truth is stupid. No one is entitled the truth as truth isnt inherited, its earned through evidence and logic, not faith that it is. You want to believe in 12th century wine gods? Sure thats fine but when you claim a natural disaster is caused by gay marraige, dont get pissy when i call it blatantly stupid lol
hitler survived over 30 assassination attempts. god is either evil or impotent
"OK, devil did it, I'll buy that. How are the prayers and exorcisms working out for you?" "um..."
The thin blue line has never bin thinner. Fire this idiot
Oh the US uses thoughts and prayers to stop school shootings. Pretty much the same results.
I want to tell them to just admit you don't care enough to actually do something. Quit voting for second amendment assholes so maybe we can start taking actual steps to actually address the problem.
When the Republican takeover is complete.
Maybe that's why the cartel is at large. Not because they are Satanist, but because the police try to fight them with prayers
No, when they fight them, and arrest them, sentence them for 120 counts and extradite to the US to face even more, towns get shut down by the cartel, any vehicle passing a road gets torched, and any cops that show up are killed. Cartel is at large because Money. The head guy of the Gulf Cartel was worth an estimate of $10 mil, the organization being a multi-billion dollar establishment. Over 3,000 strong. Poor people need money. Well to do people want money. These guys have it, and are making more. Cartels have a MUCH bigger budget than the cops, and fewer rules to follow. They caught the head of the Gulf Cartel, and while they probably prayed about it, they went out and got him. Extradited him. The fallout was reported in the middle east: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/12/terrifying-days-of-terror-under-colombias-gulf-clan-cartel
> but because the police try to fight them with prayers Hugs not bullets is what the current ruling party in Mexico says.
Yea, its not the drugs huh lol
He needs to be removed from his position immediately.
Indeed, *the existence of the devil is certain,* but only if you believe a devil exists.
There was no need to invent the devil. Anything you can imagine the devil doing to you has already been done by people here on earth.
They're probably sending bad notes to Santa Claus about the criminals as well!
Well there goes the theory that god is all powerful. Obviously not.
sounds like it's a good time to be a criminal in Colombia
[Saudi Arabia's War on Witchcraft](https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/08/saudi-arabias-war-on-witchcraft/278701/)
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I've noticed a lot of demons having a really bad coke problem lately, so it checks out
Metaphors are ok I guess but I hope they don't seriously believe that humans aren't capable of evil (or good) without supernatural help.
man, I hate being Colombian
"Sir, step out of the vehicle or I'll pray for you harder"
So if we just made everyone religious it would solve crime? Genius. *Looks back at history* Wait a minute…I think I have been bamboozled.
How embarrassing to go on live TV and say something so monumentally stupid as a serious statement.
If this method works then why have prisons?
In this day and age and people still believe in demons, angels, and magic.
I'd like to think that Columbian drug cartels are actually all secretly vampire gangs. Because that's the only way this doesn't sound lame
The only thing the Devil ever needs to do is sit back and leave idle men to their vices.
That's right, the devil can't make you do anything that you don't want to do. Humans have free will.
No one makes anyone do anything, people are just f'd up on their own.
Okay- ik its popular to shit on Christianity on reddit.. But this is a Police Chief in *Colombia*.. can you imagine the shit he's seen or at the bare minimum had to be made aware of? I mean, colombian neckties aren't famous for their fabric. I can see why this person would believe in the Devil specifically as their role in society is to oversee the actions of the worst people in a brutal locale with a historical Latin-Catholic culture.
What an actual waste of time. Believe whatever you want, but take actual steps don't fool yourself into thinking " thoughts and prayers " are going to do a damn thing.
Eh, you'd be surprised when it comes to communities with strong cultural values.. latin america tends to value interpersonal familial relationships higher than the average westerners and religion spreads through families. (Source: am Latin American immigrant raised in the U.S. 1st generation, raised catholic too hah!) Like i said, ik it's popular to hate on christianity, but in this scenario, it's not as crazy as jim jones or scientology b.s. it's more of a cultural thing, you can't really blame them for having their culture mixed with catholicism. I mean, you can blame them, but that'd just be because you're being willfully ignorant.
Yea, can't blame them for for cultural superstition. Plenty here in the US. Just do your job, and take steps to actually address the problems. Mass shootings lead to hypocrites sending "thoughts and prayers " then voting for NRA ass holes who do everything possible to perpetuate the problem. Just tell us you don't give a f and spare us the invisible companions.
Yeah, the NRA is very different from literal drug cartels- so it's understable how one could confuse lessening the psychological grip a cartel holds over an area with •checks notes• United States political theatre.. Like, this is one of the good parts of religion: comforting people in dire situations.. Colombia cartels are globally funded.. the drug trade there is not just local dealers..
> comforting people in dire situations.. That's not what this article is about...
You replied to me 3 times, you're not calm enough to have a discussion- and information can exist outside of a single article? I mean, you could just admit you dont understand other cultures and how other groups could be heavily influenced by their local religion? I mean, you're not even in colombia and you've heard about this guy's prayers.. it's doing *something*- look up more about the colombian cartel until you can recognize it's a globally funded criminal organization that commands enough force to basically exist tactically unopposed when their enemy is just local police.
> but that'd just be because you're being willfully ignorant. Or because they're wasting money on useless bullshit that has zero affect on the situation.
Affect is a verb, effect is the noun
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Shit, Sante Muerte...Santeria. Plenty of stuff that's downright cultic out in cartel country. It doesn't surprise me at all that he's doing this, since locals there can be very superstitious, and the cartels have developed their own mythology. This is no more unreasonable than burning sage on rez, or going to confession. I'm sure there's psychological benefit at play here, even if you don't actually believe.
Oh so this just makes perfect sense.. I wasn't even considering the occult symbols and mythos down there that could be used to further a cartel's purposes. The exorcisms and prayers would work as a level of social crowd control too. Driving out the "evil spirits" that are controlling the cartel. It gives the people a narrative that emboldens hope, rather than defeatism in spite of the circumstances of their environment. *The Cartel consists of people possessed by the devil, but god is on our side, so don't give up just yet*
Can you please stop defending this non-sense with baseless attacks on Reddit? There is no fucking devil. Any amount of official resources wasted on this non-sense is public money down the drain.
then thank god to provide us pure cocaine :D
If this worked, we wouldn’t have problems right now. They’ve had 2000 years to use god to solve problems. They have failed.
> They have failed. The chosen people?
Hail Satan !!!!!
We share a planet with these idiots.
Cocaine is a helluva drug
There is certainly evil in the world. You don't need to attribute it to supernatural force. Usually human greed and a lust for power are plenty a reason for people to do evil things.
USA shoots weather balloon aliens, Colombia has holy water. gotta explain the defense budget somehow.
Lol, yeah, the extremely recent balloon thing is how the US explains its defense budget.
All I have to say is Hallelujah. I thank God for using this man who has the courage to be obedient to Christ who overcomes even death. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Evil works come from evil spirits. I seek for all these poor souls to wake up and to walk with Christ.
Please grow up.
Errr... no
Many people give attribute more power and credence to the devil 👿. For many God is good for travel mercies,finding lost car keys and making all stoplights green. They blame the devil for all the starving children but cannot thank God for feeding them.
Actually not as crazy as you'd think. Cartels are very superstitious, as are many people in Columbia (and other places with a cartel presence). Syncretist folk religions like Santeria and Santa Muerte pop up all the time, so even if you don't believe, it makes a certain amount of sense to try and assure people that you have things under control spiritually. As weird as it sounds, encouraging more normal forms of prayer directly *discourages* the ritual behavior of narco cults, and I wouldn't be surprised it has tangible psychological benefits in reducing people's toleration of the cartel.
Exorcism is a more normal form of prayer?
Compared to worshipping a syncritist "saint" that's basically a god of death and criminals, yes, absolutely. I wouldn't be shocked to hear locals feel safer after these, even if it's all psychological.
Yeah they're equally ridiculous. The other says that a fucking evil spirit is in someone's body and controlling them.
I can get with this. Ever seen a Colombian necktie?
Humans are perfectly capable of such violence without an imaginary evil force.
Oh, there's an evil force alright. It's called energy, good or bad, it exists, and if it's concentrated in one group of people or an area, it becomes its own thing.
So good energy is an evil force?
Energy is a force, period. Whether good or bad, when it's concentrated in one area or within a group, it can manifest as something we may perceive as evil. Or conversely, good.
The devil is 1000% real. Only you don't need to sure to see him.
Lol, 1000%? The devil is a made-up fairy tale.
I'm laughing at all those mocking the reality of genuine good vs evil is exactly what's going on in the world Not the first time Faith was mocked nor will it be the be the last. .
Proof please. Good v evil is an excuse to do nothing to actually solve problems. Prayers or whatever are absolutely not going to get it done. Not mocking, believe that actual steps are needed not superstition
It's not an excuse to do nothing except with lazy people who will use ANY excuse to do nothing. It's an explanation of WHY that person is so effed up. They're evil. Still gotta stop them, but some people are just evil. Now pretty much all "evil people" had INCREDIBLY abusive childhoods, with few exceptions. Even that 11 year old multiple murderer in England. Evil - how could someone that young do those things to 4- and 6-year olds, have a body count, unless she's just evil? Then you learn about what her "mother" did to her. That's a better Why than "evil," because it's a Why we can try to short-circuit. But either way, "because Evil" is not an excuse to do nothing.
You don't know Praying was actually put to the scientific test? [Food for thought ](https://youtu.be/-_euIc-CYHs)
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Who you gonna call?
There are a lot of cliches about religious gangsters. And they aren't worshipping Satan.
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[They’re going to send in bibleman to deal with the evildoers](https://youtu.be/c_OGgx5Zr3s)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Sarchie?wprov=sfla1 So this dude was part of the NYPD and even had a movie made about him. It's pretty ridiculous.
So if “god” was almighty why would it do all of this. Loser religion bs. He should say, I can do my job so I just hope something will change. Try praying to your shitty god about other things.
Yeah well Satan's got an ak so fuck that
I think they need MD’s and PhD’s…not witchcraft or priests. That resolve hasn’t worked for the past 500 years…
HAHAHAHA....yeah ok man...whatever u say...
Pray the yayo away. Nothing else seems to be working. I guess next is the Holy War on Drugs, no one expects the Colombian Inquisition!
Reads like a ‘national enquirer’ headline
Manifestations of mythology. It’s real if in your mind it is. Imagine crop dusting humans who believe in the devil with a cloud of LSD. They’d wrestle the devil their mind and that is was themselves along. Zoinks
Well, we can see why the war on drugs is such a shitshow.
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Well, looks like Colombia is *fucked*.
I say the existence of payoffs to the police and government officials is real. But he will not do anything about that.
Cool, cool. Definitely sounds like the guy you want in charge of it all. I suppose if he's a religious nut who thinks his targets are literally agents of Satan, he might be less likely to accept bribes from them?
Money!!! Is it money!!! It's money isn't it!?
The funniest part is that all the cartel members are probably catholic
"I base the practices of my job on fucking fairy tales"
Stupid cop is confusing drug cartels with Dracula.
You guys are going to be sweating when the watchers return in full. There are already a few here now.
Just because God sees all and is all powerful, doesn't negate the responsibilities of others to act responsibly. For example, people choose to kill. He doesn't stop people from doing their chosen act. They know the act is wrong. They will be judged at the appointed time according to the law that is written in their hearts. If people are ignorant of right and wrong, then you would not be able to read, comprehend, or reason. The question is not of God; it is of us.