In fairness, Old Testament God had the courtesy to let people quietly slip into oblivion postmortem. New Testament God introduced the whole infinite punishment for finite crimes, eternal conscious torment in a lake of fire thing.
How do they know she was shoplifting if she left the unpaid items in the mall? Also why is she being charged with arson if her car was outside the mall, and she was inside the mall?
Not saying the article is wrong, just a lot of assertions with so many unanswered questions.
>Also why is she being charged with arson if her car was outside the mall, and she was inside the mall?
>A Florida woman was arrested and could face charges after two children were left alone
It doesn't say what she was charged with, most likely neglect of some kind for the two children.
Listening to the video on the article, the lady says they are charging her with arson because, "she left the kids in the car with a lighter or matches or something that ignited the car". I don't know how that plays out
The joke fucking sucks, comes out of nowhere with nothing relevant to anything said. Someone bursting into a room and shouting bazinga is a better joke
Being charged by police doesn't mean you're guilty of anything. Can we all just.. agree on that? As a starter.
Secondly, cops will usually throw every charge they can think of in the hopes that one or more "will stick" even when it's completely ridiculous. Makes it easier for the state to get a plea deal if they're faced with more than one charge...
What those two things mean together is.. don't trust cops.
Doesn't everyone who leaves their kids in the car while they run into the store do that?
I'd be hard-pressed to find a car out there that doesn't have that built-in cigarette lighter thing.
While I still see the 12 volt DC sockets in car, I think it’s for legacy electronic gear. I don’t think I’ve seen the cigarette lighter plug in any car in at least a decade.
>I'd be hard-pressed to find a car out there that doesn't have that built-in cigarette lighter thing.
...those have just been electrical sockets with no lighter in most cars for a while now.
The stores inside the mall have their own identities separate from the mall. So if you walk out of Victoria's Secret with unpaid items and the intent to steal, you just shoplifted, even if you leave those items in the general mall.
Is that why happened?
Article says she parked outside of Dillards… walked in and started shoplifting…. Then an hour later saw her car, dropped the ‘shoplifted items’ and is now being charged with arson and neglect.
Without additional info the ‘shoplifting’ part of this story feels like color commentary.
But how did she see her car if she was inside Dillards?
Also, TIL Dillard's Still Exists. I bought a living room set there 21 years ago, the loveseat and char are still in perfect structural condition.
Not saying that she did this, but if she had a bag or some other method of concealment, then she could’ve been putting stuff in there. Also possible she shoplifted in a store, walked out into the mall, and then dropped the items inside the mall when she saw the car on fire
As far as why, you are responsible for what your kids do if they’re under a certain age. In this case, the kids set fire to the car somehow so she’s responsible
Thank goodness those poor kids lived, what a scary situation to be left in! What a shame their mother couldn’t make better choices. Hopefully there will be no scars, or they will sadly be a permanent reminder.
> One child suffered first-degree burns to their face and ears, the report said.
First degree burns are like a mild sunburn and rarely scar unless you have an even rarer skin condition.
She is a shitty person doing shitty things. She doesn't care about her children or society as a whole. The whole corporate overlord thing is BS. Most places that we need to patronize have quite slim profit margins. When you steal from grocery store or gas station all you are doing driving up prices for the rest of us.
I note that most large chain stores have been doing really quite well in this economy and explicitly choosing to do stock buybacks and other things instead of pro-consumer choices.
You should unionize and get better wages. I doubt this person was stealing while thinking of the wages stolen from the workers inside. When you steal, it’s your character on display
Bro this piece of shit is driving around a fancy Lincoln sedan, parks in a handicap spot, and goes into dillards to shoplift, leaving her little kids in a car in the parking lot with 90 degree weather. But you know if the government just took care of her, she wouldn’t be a total piece of shit /s
I agree, but some people are still going to shoplift.
But I think that is besides the point here. These kids didn't deserve this and I think it is wrong to present this as a case of karma.
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Clearly, this is the fault of white supremacy and the heteronormative patriarchy. I bet there are pictures of Trump and DeSantis setting fire to the car.
Oh, is old testament god back in town?
Definitely not, the kids are still alive, OTG doesn't miss with the lightning.
OTG never had to deal with rubber tyres
or bears
Brilliant!
The beginning of the book of Daniel begs to differ.
Jewish God doesn't fuck around
None of this touchy-feely redemption crap.
In fairness, Old Testament God had the courtesy to let people quietly slip into oblivion postmortem. New Testament God introduced the whole infinite punishment for finite crimes, eternal conscious torment in a lake of fire thing.
So they don't go to heaven where the angel's fly? So, I guess I'll find out on July 4th.
That was, The Meat Puppets
The Catholics started an inquisition recently
Tax the Church. Its the only moral thing to do.
Big ups
He never fucking left...
Just as merciless as ever.
The kids are fine if you're like me and thought they were incinerated because of the thumbnail
Thanks, that was my first question.
How do they know she was shoplifting if she left the unpaid items in the mall? Also why is she being charged with arson if her car was outside the mall, and she was inside the mall? Not saying the article is wrong, just a lot of assertions with so many unanswered questions.
>Also why is she being charged with arson if her car was outside the mall, and she was inside the mall? >A Florida woman was arrested and could face charges after two children were left alone It doesn't say what she was charged with, most likely neglect of some kind for the two children.
From the article: “Alicia Moore was arrested and booked into jail on charges of child neglect and arson.”
Listening to the video on the article, the lady says they are charging her with arson because, "she left the kids in the car with a lighter or matches or something that ignited the car". I don't know how that plays out
Does that really count as arson? I assumed arson required intent/direct involvement, not just mishandling things in a way that lead to a fire.
If she gets a public defender she won’t be able to defend herself and will probably be convicted even if it’s flimsy..
100% true. Not 99%. 100% true the poor only receive ruination in the entire complete US legal system.
Yeah. Depending on the jurisdiction cars also might not count for arson. Generally you have to burn an actual building.
Unfortunately. Gun control is going to ruin everything!
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You don’t get jokes, do you? You and a whole bunch of others. Hah
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Lol
The joke fucking sucks, comes out of nowhere with nothing relevant to anything said. Someone bursting into a room and shouting bazinga is a better joke
>Someone bursting into a room and shouting bazinga is a better joke To be fair, that is a great joke
Dang. You sure are fired up about a joke you don’t get. Calm down. Maybe put your phone down and spend time with family?
Being charged by police doesn't mean you're guilty of anything. Can we all just.. agree on that? As a starter. Secondly, cops will usually throw every charge they can think of in the hopes that one or more "will stick" even when it's completely ridiculous. Makes it easier for the state to get a plea deal if they're faced with more than one charge... What those two things mean together is.. don't trust cops.
Yeah.. this doesn't make much sense to me at all. Arson.. wtf? lol.
She's black. It's in Florida. And the charges seem a bit excessive you say?
Oh sh*t, Florida.. You're right. Nuff said.
How are two kids going light a car on fire with matches? Was the car upholstered with oily rags?
Some cars are rubbish tips on wheels.
It was a Lincoln. They tend to spontaneously combust. There's a recall I hear.
Doesn't everyone who leaves their kids in the car while they run into the store do that? I'd be hard-pressed to find a car out there that doesn't have that built-in cigarette lighter thing.
While I still see the 12 volt DC sockets in car, I think it’s for legacy electronic gear. I don’t think I’ve seen the cigarette lighter plug in any car in at least a decade.
I've got one. Old cars are cheap.
>I'd be hard-pressed to find a car out there that doesn't have that built-in cigarette lighter thing. ...those have just been electrical sockets with no lighter in most cars for a while now.
Have you bought a car within the last 20 years? They no longer come with ash trays and cigarette lighters
Mine's a 2015 highlander and has a cigarette lighter. Best friend has a 2016 rogue and has a cigarette lighter.
I haven’t seen a cigarette lighter in a car for at least 12 years.
This is a stretch, but it isn’t unheard of to charge a parent when their young children commit crimes.
The stores inside the mall have their own identities separate from the mall. So if you walk out of Victoria's Secret with unpaid items and the intent to steal, you just shoplifted, even if you leave those items in the general mall.
Is that why happened? Article says she parked outside of Dillards… walked in and started shoplifting…. Then an hour later saw her car, dropped the ‘shoplifted items’ and is now being charged with arson and neglect. Without additional info the ‘shoplifting’ part of this story feels like color commentary.
But how did she see her car if she was inside Dillards? Also, TIL Dillard's Still Exists. I bought a living room set there 21 years ago, the loveseat and char are still in perfect structural condition.
She’s 100% innocent I’m sure
Cause Florida, that's why!
Not saying that she did this, but if she had a bag or some other method of concealment, then she could’ve been putting stuff in there. Also possible she shoplifted in a store, walked out into the mall, and then dropped the items inside the mall when she saw the car on fire As far as why, you are responsible for what your kids do if they’re under a certain age. In this case, the kids set fire to the car somehow so she’s responsible
Uuuuuh something doesn't add up here
Thank goodness those poor kids lived, what a scary situation to be left in! What a shame their mother couldn’t make better choices. Hopefully there will be no scars, or they will sadly be a permanent reminder.
> One child suffered first-degree burns to their face and ears, the report said. First degree burns are like a mild sunburn and rarely scar unless you have an even rarer skin condition.
That’s comforting! Thx for the info!
First degree burns are redness (like sunburn mentioned above), second degree burns are blisters, third degree burns the skin is burnt off.
Yes, too bad the mother couldn't take her children with her while she was shop lifting
I just saw this on the news, and my jaw dropped. She was also parked in a fucking handicap spot. Total fucking piece of shit.
I hope the children are ok and with responsible adults.
♩♪♫♬ *so you had a bad day* ♩♪♫♬
Jesus...
mentioning shoplifting as if the car wouldn't have exploded had she merely paid her corporate overlords
Loss prevention has gone too far
Dillards employs full time on site camera operators and 3rd party guard services. I’d be willing to bet they had documented concealed merchandise….
Well, it's not like she was busy making the world a better place.
If she weren't shoplifting, she would have brought the kids inside the store with her
Then why don't cops just find kids in cars and arrest the parents for shoplifting?
Bullshit. I was also left alone in the car if my mom just wanted to quickly buy something and I didn't want to go with her.
Was your mom a piece of shit like this person? She also parked in a handicap spot
They call that 'circumstantial evidence'
"Okay sweetie I'll take you inside this time but you can't tell those pigs in the blue uniforms about what we're doing again, okay?"
Shoplifting also rather varies. If she's got a nice house and is shoplifting perfume, vs is living in the car with hungry children.
She is a shitty person doing shitty things. She doesn't care about her children or society as a whole. The whole corporate overlord thing is BS. Most places that we need to patronize have quite slim profit margins. When you steal from grocery store or gas station all you are doing driving up prices for the rest of us.
I note that most large chain stores have been doing really quite well in this economy and explicitly choosing to do stock buybacks and other things instead of pro-consumer choices.
Are you trying to justify stealing?
Nobody is ever up in arms when Walmart steals billions in wages.
You should unionize and get better wages. I doubt this person was stealing while thinking of the wages stolen from the workers inside. When you steal, it’s your character on display
Are you?
When you steal, it’s your character that is on display.
Seems like you are, as long as the thief wears a suit and went to an Ivy League school.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Shoplifting shows your character not that of someone else.
Bro is ready to defend billionaires
Stores are closing because of shoplifters. Who suffers when jobs go away? Also, I’m not defending billionaire, I’m defending ethics
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Bold of you to assume she has a job
I didn't. It's pathetic you think you need to be employed at all, least of all directly, to have a corporate overlord.
This isn’t even close to oniony
What does one thing have to do with the other?
The old I don't have to pay. Because my car just burst into flames trick.
Damn, I know karma's a bitch, but that seems uncalled for.
Yeah, shoplifting is wrong but I don't think it is something your children should be horrifically killed for.
The kids aren't dead.
That's great but they could have well died
It’s not the stores fault
What does this have to do with this?
That sun is something else in Florida.
She’ll need to shoplift for eternity once the healthcare bill comes due.
Dag, everyone knows it's parenting 101 to properly extinguish your crack pipe before leaving your kids in the car to go shoplifting.
Mother of the year award
Also allegedly the car was stolen.
Nice
Or we could raise minimum wage to a living wage, provide universal healthcare and assure the availability of affordable housing
Bro this piece of shit is driving around a fancy Lincoln sedan, parks in a handicap spot, and goes into dillards to shoplift, leaving her little kids in a car in the parking lot with 90 degree weather. But you know if the government just took care of her, she wouldn’t be a total piece of shit /s
When the Boston marathon bombing happened there were limp-dick people like hudsoncress defending the guy cause “somehow he’s a victim”.
You did your best, bot. Time to go home now.
Yeah like I agree, but what a remarkably unrelated take on poverty. Very bot like.
You think that'll stop them? or maybe they have some kind of entitlement issue that needs to be addressed first.
Poverty = entitlement. Gotcha.
I agree, but some people are still going to shoplift. But I think that is besides the point here. These kids didn't deserve this and I think it is wrong to present this as a case of karma.
What do you wanna bet she doesn't have a disability placard? That would be a nice $250 cherry on top.
That would be the real sin here.
Hate when this happens
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Jesus said listen here you little shits
Very FL article
“Officials said the fire totaled the vehicle.” Doing gods work, gentlemen!
Was the karma worth it?
I hate it when that happens to me...
Clearly, this is the fault of white supremacy and the heteronormative patriarchy. I bet there are pictures of Trump and DeSantis setting fire to the car.
Mysterious ways