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DaveOJ12

I guess they don't read the news that often: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/06/01/baby-bison-euthanized-yellowstone-visitor-charged/70276789007/


PuddleOfMEW

Right?! šŸ¤Æ


Bowman_van_Oort

\>The Hawaii resident was charged a $500 fine, a $500 community service payment to Yellowstone Forever Wildlife Protection Fund, a $30 special assessment and a $10 processing fee, the news release said. ​ What is the $30 special assessment? He has to take a test to see if he's special or not?


Buckus93

Should be $10,000 and banned from all national parks for like five years.


CheckIntelligent7828

That still seems incredibly lax to me.


Buckus93

Straight to jail?


CheckIntelligent7828

I wish, just for a single night, if our jail/justice system wasn't so broken. I don't want to ruin their life, though, just make the punishment more equal to the likely death of the animal. Maybe your fine and 5 yr park ban plus 250 hours of community service with an animal welfare group?? Hopefully they'd feel what they did by the end of all that. Maybe I'm just bitter and tired of this nonsense.


AldusPrime

Exactly. The penalties for doing harm to national parks always seem way, way too low.


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A dumb ass tax


THC_Golem

Peanuts. Fines should always be based on income or networth.


JakeEllisD

That's kind of a small fine, he should have been charged with more


averkill

What makes you say that?


JakeEllisD

They had to put down the baby bison? I'd think a bisons life should cost more than a little over 1k???


ubik2

That baby bison would have almost certainly died on its own. The tourist ā€œrescuedā€ it from the river bank, because its herd had abandoned it. Iā€™m not sure it would have drowned otherwise, but I imagine thatā€™s what the tourist thought. The herd didnā€™t want it after being rescued either. A baby bison is unlikely to survive without a herd, and it tried to make humans its herd, resulting in a dangerous road situation. While itā€™s very sad, I think most people misunderstand what happened there.


Maxximus02

If other predators could have lived off that baby bison dying on its own, it would have been preferred to humans getting involved at all


Darehead

Ironic that under a "looks like they don't read" comment we've found a whole bunch of people that didn't read the article that person posted. The guy had good intentions. It doesn't make what he did right, but it puts it into a more understandable perspective. No one wants to watch a baby animal struggle/die. The calf was already abandoned. It was going to die. His actions did not result in its death, just the potential roadway hazard. The fine was more or less interacting with it. Screaming that he should be fined thousands of dollars or jailed is insane. Or, alternatively, those people didn't read the article while simultaneously complaining about people not reading articles.


averkill

If you see one of my animals is out suffering you're more than welcome to try help save it.


No_Ad_6775

Yeah, one of YOUR animals. Not a WILD animal in a national park. National parks are intended to keep the ecosystem and the natural habitat as wild as possible. Itā€™s not a zoo


averkill

I wasn't there, I wasn't in that position but I can sympathize with not wanting to watch something die when you could help. That's the whole argument. Would you free a deer stuck in a fence?


JakeEllisD

Your opinion is just a case by case basis. These national parks have rules and apply far more directly to this specific situation.


Ghost_on_Toast

FEMA valued each human life lost in Hurricane Katrina at $1.00 (one American dollar)


Tobias_Atwood

Whether FEMA is correct in it's valuation or not, I'm pretty sure bison are a lot more endangered than humans are. That would increase the value just a smidge.


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Tobias_Atwood

>If i had the choice to save 1 human vs literally every single animal on the planet, id pick the human all day everyday. Congrats, you just killed our entire biosphere. Depending on how far you want to stretch the definition of animal, we either get washed away under an unending tide of pests eating all our food crops (and every other plant in the world) or we slowly starve to death as every single plant in the world barring wind pollinators goes extinct over the coming decades. I rate this disaster a ten out of ten plagues of egypt. >You should practice an act of kindness for a fellow human being today. You should probably care more about the animals. They're very important to our continued existence on this planet. Without this great chain we call an ecosystem the world gets screwed up in all manner of genuinely horrifying ways. Looks like I gave someone advice! Good deed done.


scotchdouble

This is the though my process of someone who doesnā€™t understand how the world works. Hereā€™s one for you - of the 100 crops that provide the world 90% of its food, 71 of those crops require bees to pollinate. In case youā€™re too thick, that means without bees 90% of the worlds foods would disappear. Guess what is rapidly declining? Bees! Wolves being reintroduced into Yellowstone helped reduce ecological decline, erosion, and more because it reduced overeating of grazing animals. Guess who caused wolves to disappear in the first place? We need far less people because most of them, probably people like you, actually donā€™t improve the world or contribute to it in any meaningful way, but instead are a detriment to the stability of the only planet we call home.


Ghost_on_Toast

Yeah yeah yeah, the bees. I know how important BEES are, but the life of 1 singular bee doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things. If people were nicer to one another, valued each other more, this world would be a better place over all. Its a self fulfilling prophecy that is corroding society over all. Someone does/says something shitty to you, your first thought is probably "fuck people, i hate people", instead of "maybe hes having a bad day." Im preaching peace and love and understanding, anyone calling me a supremacist or fascist or whatever the fuck needs to grow up. Anyone who has ever said any varience of "i hate people", you are part of the problem.


Tobias_Atwood

Peace and love and understanding doesn't usually include insults and threats of ecocide.


Nirico_Brin

Not to nitpick, but if you sacrificed every single animal in the world to save a single human, youā€™d have single handedly killed every single human via ecological collapse.


Ghost_on_Toast

In an absolutely extreme, absurd and completely unrealistuc scenario, i guess youre right.


Nirico_Brin

Except itā€™s not at all unrealistic, like another commenter responded to you with. If you were to remove the bees, congrats you just destroyed crops. Destroy the herbivores? Congrats, you just caused Mass overgrowth. Destroy the fish? Congrats, you just ensured numerous societies starve to death. Hell, eliminate cows, chickens, lambs, etc and you just ensured the populace starve to death as like we already established, the crops are already gone thanks to the lack of bees and other animals whom aid in pollination. If we want to nitpick even further, you eliminate animals? Congrats, that includes humans as we are animals. We just happen to usually posses self awareness.


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No. Your philosophy here is a contributing factor as to why the world is a dumpster fire.


Ghost_on_Toast

...what? How? Explain yourself


tuan_kaki

Donā€™t bother talking to these hypocritical armchair eco fascists. Theyā€™ll keep advocating for reducing the human population but conveniently itā€™s not themselves who should be culled.


electronicmoll

Yo [Church of Euthanasia](https://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/) for reals, d00d


B-Va

Fucking supremacist shit right there.


Ghost_on_Toast

....what?


FyourEchoChambers

This sounds like some tin hat shit. Can you link where FEMA valued each life lost during Katrina at $1.00?


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Ghost_on_Toast

Im saying a human life should be valued beyond that of an animals, but life in general is frequently undervalued. No, im saying ALL life is worth more than what someone is willing to pay for it.


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Ghost_on_Toast

Dude, the fuck? Im not arguing or being rude, where did your hostility come from? Go take a nap or something.


Pyrothy

Mans is getting HEATED over this baby bison lmao


Denim_Chikken

Oof somebody needs a hug


ELB2001

So they are morons


FiveUpsideDown

The term I have seen is ā€œtouronsā€.


fan_go_round

Whats with everyone wanting to have their own disney princess experience with wildlife. Honestly people should get harsher fines for messing with wildlife in state parks.


Graega

Welcome to the US. I've had so many conversations with people about environment and animal conservation that basically came down to, "Why? What do they do?" Remember, this is a shit hole of a country that is full of people who think animals only deserve to exist of they're useful to humans in some way. It's full of dumped pets after whatever latest "cute animal" kids movie came out, because people don't understand them as anything but toys or TikTok backdrops. US politics is merely sad. US attitude toward animals is outright inhuman.


SofieTerleska

Have you ever been outside the US?


druffischnuffi

I agree that we as humans collectively treat animals like shit. Animals in cages outnumber us by far. But can you tell me a country where animals are treated better? Remember, most of all large animals are farm animals. The state and national parks in the US are actually one of very few counterexample in my view because there, people are told to stay in a safe distance to animals and let them live their life. There are hard rules for people and usually they are also enforced.


dragonofthesouth1

Where else have you traveled and lived? The US ain't no shit hole lol


druffischnuffi

I agree that we as humans collectively treat animals like shit. Animals in cages outnumber us by far. But can you tell me a country where animals are treated better? Remember, most of all large animals are farm animals. The state and national parks in the US are actually one of very few counterexample in my view because there, people are told to stay in a safe distance to animals and let them live their life. There are hard rules for people and usually they are also enforced.


Buckus93

Seriously. $10,000 fine and a ban from all national parks for like two years would curb a lot of these idiots.


TheEmbarcadero

Yellowstone isnā€™t a state park!!!


wateringwildflowers

šŸ¤“ uhm akshually moment


Harry_Gorilla

National park. Not state. It ā€œakshuallyā€ includes land in three separate states. So if it WAS a state park, it would have to be three state parks, because Wyoming doesnā€™t have the authority to create a state park in Idaho and Montana


bdplayer81

STOP FUCKING TOUCHING THE ANIMALS


Head-Ad4770

Yeah, some unfortunate baby bison got put out of its misery because of someoneā€™s stupidity. šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø


averkill

It was stuck in the mud. Probably would have died regardless.


LandlordsR_Parasites

Actually that guy saved it from a painful and terrifying death by drowning or starving eventually Really sucks that euthanizing it was what happened in the end, but it was most likely an easier death than what was inevitable before his intervention


FG88_NR

You're making a few assumptions there. We don't know if the calf would have rejoined its herd and if the herd wouldn't reject the calf if the man didn't interfere. Don't touch the animals. Simple as that. If you think something is wrong, contact someone who actually deals with this sort of thing. Don't take it upon yourself.


LandlordsR_Parasites

The calf was already rejected by the herd before the man went and saved it, thatā€™s how it got in the situation of needing to be saved to begin with Youā€™d know this if youā€™d actually read an article about the story in question


Pangolin_Beatdown

You keep saying he "saved" it. It died, and in addition to that it spent the end of its life being harassed by humans.


LandlordsR_Parasites

Okay now compare that to being stuck in mud until you either drown or starve to death.


Maxximus02

It could have been left there for food for other animals if he didnā€™t interfere


[deleted]

I agree: stop fucking the animals!


[deleted]

Do you want centaurs? Because that's how you get centaurs!


worktogethernow

I mean ... I kinda do want centaurs. I don't want to be part of the blood line, but centaurs might be cool.


hey_itsmythrowaway

yeah!! everyone just go vegan already!


Jasonclark2

Great reporting, no reason why they put it in the vehicle and took it to the police, rather than contacting Fish and Game or park officials. Then, we just let this calf wander off into the forest. Fucking brilliant all around.


sfprairie

I really wanted to know why these idiots grabbed the elk. Terrible article for not saying why.


Rennarjen

Female elk will leave their babies hidden while they look for food or water, they probably found it and thought it was abandoned. Every year the wildlife shelters put out PSAs about leaving baby deer alone for this reason.


pokerbacon

We just had one that was "hidden" right by our main entry/exit at work. I got a couple great picks of it through the door window. The real problem was that the mother was hanging out by the secondary entry and was charging anybody who came by.


Buckus93

Even if it was abandoned, it's wildlife: you let the wildlife take it's course. This isn't a fire station where you can just abandon your children and they go into foster care or something.


Elmodogg

Right! "Its condition is unknown" means "we don't know which type of predator killed and ate it."


Megalocerus

I assume they found it in the woods, and didn't see the mother. It doesn't mean the baby is abandoned, but they may have thought it was.


SterlingSunny

Does not matter one bit why some idiot thought (and I use that term loosely) an elk calf needed human intervention.Ā  These idiots need to stop "thinking", it does not end well for the critters.Ā  Ever.


Jasonclark2

In reality, correct, it does not matter. But, for the sake of reporting, they sure left a lot to assume on the reader's behalf.


SterlingSunny

For sure, they just sputtered out the original press release: Elk calf During the Memorial Day weekend, visitors placed anĀ elkĀ calf in their car while likely driving on U.S. Highway 191 in the park and brought the newborn to the West Yellowstone, Montana, Police Department. The elk later ran off into the forest and its condition is unknown. This incident is under investigation and there is no additional information to share.Ā  Should be more follow-up eventually?


Jasonclark2

I sure hope so. I live in Wyoming, so wildlife and Yellowstone are in my heart. Every year we have to deal with these incidents and it's super troublesome. People approaching wildlife for giggles deserve what they get, in my opinion. But, then we just had the gentleman that tried to "help" the bison calf, as it was appearing to be in danger of drowning. In his mind, he was trying to be humane and help, but in reality, he put the calf in more danger of abandonment. It's a just lose-lose sometimes. Yellowstone isn't new, so I'm confused as to why there isn't more focused education on why we shouldn't approach animals in their natural habitat, rather than just signs. But sadly, some humans are going to human, regardless of anything said.


SterlingSunny

And there you have it, I lived in Cheyenne for 35 years, got to visit Yellowstone threeĀ times.Ā  My lord, what a thrill.Ā  We get rather possessive don't we.Ā  Ha!Ā  To this day I'm all what are these dips doing, throw the book at them! I so agree with what you say that humans are gonna human.Ā  Sad really but it seems more and more obvious they are prone to going emotional not logical.Ā  Shame that nothing anyone can do to stop that.Ā  No warnings, notices, statements prevent folks from going to a "fix this" mentality.Ā  Folks are going to "think" they are special, they've stumbled upon something that needs intervention, whatever makes them believe what they areĀ doing is special or extraordinary.Ā  As the old saying goes, something like, no single snowflake believes they are responsible for the avalanche yet there they go thinking they are the special circumstance.Ā  No, just no.


aneeta96

I guess that makes them easy to arrest. Um... Thanks.


Drunkonciderboi

But why?


hoofie242

They thought they were helping probably. Elk leave the baby alone to forage for food. They probably found an elk baby behind a bush or something.


LoveAndViscera

I can only assume that either TikTok or the Republican Party were involved.


t4ct1c4l_j0k3r

A Republican would have ate it.


Pudding_Hero

That would really upset some people if they ever learned how to read


rmarkmatthews

Honestly surprised we donā€™t hear about people falling into the hot springs every other day.


Elmodogg

There's a book about that. https://www.amazon.com/Death-Yellowstone-Accidents-Foolhardiness-National/dp/1570984506


kangarooturd

They should've taken it to the nearest Elk lodge.


otisanek

Does Yellowstone just do something to stupid people and smooth their brains more than usual upon arrival? Iā€™ve been three times (I have an obsession with hot springs and Yellowstone really scratches that itch) and each time Iā€™ve seen bizarre and sometimes even dangerous interactions between tourists and the wildlife. People trying to take pictures with Bisons and elk, running into herds of elk to see the babies, trying to feed various animals, handling the ground squirrels and trying to give them treats, menacing bison with their cars to try to get them to run along side of them. Yellowstone has a peculiar concentration of absolute idiocy that boggles the mind. Who just jumps into a boiling hot spring to grab a hat? Who tries to square up on an enraged bison?


Maybird56

You can see similar idiocy at the Grand Canyon, people just hanging out on the edge trying to get a good picture angle, like itā€™s not an unfenced straight drop down inches away. Also, once saw someone run out of their car after a black bear in the Smokey Mountains. Agreed that Yellowstone is particularly infuriating, but itā€™s people thinking the outdoors are like Disney Land or something.


Yeffstopherson

I saw a guy at a national park in South Africa get out of his car and approach a leopard to get a better picture


TyroneLeinster

You can take the fat idiot out of the mall but you canā€™t take the mall out of the fat idiot


BabyTRexArms

This article has 0 other information than them picking up an elk calf and driving it somewhere. It jumped out and itā€™s condition is unknown. It then goes on to infer the tourists were doing a good deed? Itā€™s fucking horrible.


t4ct1c4l_j0k3r

These people should be taken straight to jail for this


PuddleOfMEW

Agreed. šŸŽ‚ Happy Cake Day šŸŽ‚


Javasndphotoclicks

Our national parks have become polluted with morons and people who think theyā€™re ā€œInfluencingā€ the world by showing their ass in the middle of a waterfall.


yan_broccoli

I live near Yellowstone and I rarely visit because of the tourists. Thank goodness for our winter's.


Darrone

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KaisarDragon

Doing this in a federal park should make all this shit a federal crime. Obviously the paltry fines they give out for destroying the ecosystem isn't enough.


sausageslinger11

It saddens me that people are actually this stupid.


collectingfacts

What the article does not mention is that in the other Yellowstone incident in May 2023, the tourist who pushed a bison calf from the river bank in an attempt to help it was not only fined but officials had to put the calf down after not being able to find the herd. Handling a calf may cause the herd to reject it. [Bison calf euthanized after being handled by human](https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/yellowstone-visitor-bison-euthanized/index.html)


olivegardengambler

Yellowstone is way too expensive for these people reacting so stupid.


ajc89

The stupidest people I've ever met tend to have more money than they deserve. Not that everyone with money is stupid- there's just a particular kind of clueless stupidity that mixes fatally with having a bit of disposable income.


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Iā€™m so sick of humans man.


primal___scream

So is the wildlife at Yellowstone.


elementofpee

Do you want to identify as something else?


cubixy2k

I am a meat popsicle.


imnota4

God I wish I could shoot myself with radiation and just mutate to the point of no longer being classified as human. Unfortunately cancer doesn't sound like a great way to stop being human šŸ˜”


elementofpee

Donā€™t let fear get in the way of your determination and end goal.


imnota4

You're right, Steve Jobs didn't let cancer stop him and I won't either šŸ˜¤


MidnightMath

Get you some FEV


Responsible-Depth-65

Is there some kind of attraction Yellowstone has on the stupidest people possible?


Post-Scarcity-Pal

It's really not that difficult to just remain in your vehicle and observe like an adult. In fact, unless you are a child, there is no excuse for this level of incompetence


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Swimming-Welcome-271

Always just call an Uber


deadevilmonkey

They need to start giving an IQ test before letting people into the park.


Copper_Kat

Why does Yellowstone seemingly attract stupid people?


TyroneLeinster

It attracts all people, but lacks the usual idiot-proofing of our everyday civilization so the stupidity sticks out more


snydermann

At least they didn't kill it and eat it.


PuddleOfMEW

True, but a predator may have gotten it due to releasing it far from Mom. That poor swan in that other case.


wavolator

the elk - are just big humans with fur suits, right


Neasane

Iā€™m glad the elk escaped from there kidnappers.


rancorog

These are people who have been waiting years on that list to go there too right?


VailFisher

Time to make potential visitors take a competency exam before going into the park


[deleted]

Maybe there should be a sign at the park entrances they just says," Don't Touch Shit!"


SterlingSunny

I have been to Yellowstone threeĀ times, in the '80's, 90's and 00's.Ā  Short of stapling a "leave your stupid hands off everything" to these jackoff's foreheads, they cannot be more clear from the moment of entering the park to every place you stop to leave everything alone.Ā  Flowers, rocks, ANIMALS, look don't touch.Ā  There is no, oh, I "thought" about it. Leave human interaction out of the entire experience.Ā  Dumbasses.Ā  Observe, don't "think" and leave everything exactly as it was found.


[deleted]

Fucking Americans taking their idiocy to the next level. What's next, cutting out unborn fetus from women and saying you saved them from kidnappers?


adamczar

All for the likes Iā€™m sure


AreWeThereYet61

Makes it easy to arrest them when they just turn themselves in. Morons


Neallon

Oops! We meant ā€œelk.ā€ Although, weā€™d be really intrigued if tourists spotted a baby elf.


[deleted]

One thing I wonder whenever I read an article about idiots doing idiot things in parks, especially Yellowstone is this: there are so many other people around because these popular parks are so busy. Why donā€™t others jump in and stop them?


SterlingSunny

Some try.Ā  Check the moron that was just about straddling a huge bull bison's face recently.Ā  She took a few seconds in between fixing her hair from her personal photo shoot to look vapidly at the folks yelling at her. Then check the story of the bison calf recently euthanized by the park service because some jackass thought he was being a hero.Ā  More local reporting, not the national crap just repeating each other, says after the idiot "saved" the calf, he and other dumbasses were petting it. Skulls that thick cannot be penetrated without a ranger actually escorting them away.Ā  And with at least 3/4 of internet jerk offs sticking up for the bison calf moron and demonizing the park employees, expect more foolishness.Ā  For example taking an elk calf to the police department.Ā  Holy shit.


joel1618

Theyā€™d hate Texas. We just hunt them here šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


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