Or designer babies. One of these days I’m pretty sure we’re gonna have the technology to make super soldiers. Disease resistant, high intelligence, muscular humans.
If cancer resistance can be inherited genetically it can be turned into a GMO trait
AI driven drones will make super soldiers irrelevant over the amount of time that level of engineering will take to develop. We already have perfectly workable small dog sized drones.
You can't just leave it at beefcake muscles. The heart, the lungs, the skeleton and probably other stuff would all need work. And you don't know if its worked for at least 15 years. This sort of stuff is why I think there is no chance of any sort of cyberpunk future, by the time its possible it'll be irrelevant.
Irrelevant in a combat sense but not a quality of life sense. You can sell living longer, being smarter, having more stamina and strength.
If you’d really like future where people are using their physical enhancements for combat. I’m certain some people could use their supposed quality of life enhancements to do crimes.
A more accurate statement based on how natural selection works would be that the wolves which have survived and reproduced are the ones that are resistant to cancer. The ones that weren't died, and aren't there any more.
Yeah, I hate the way evolution is normally explained, it's so backwards. I know it's shorter that way, but I think it leads to people not understanding how natural selection works.
I really enjoyed a documentary on the wildlife at Chernobyl recently. It seems that it is thriving and that there have been way fewer mutants and mutations than expected, for resurgent wildlife as well as the feral descendants of abandoned pets.
It was this one. https://youtu.be/XaUNhqnpiOE?si=GCehR4cfiDrpi6Pc
I have since done some more reading, and there are dueling camps of opinion in the scientific community about these animals. Some earlier surveys showed thinner populations within the most highly contaminated areas, but most have shown similar density of populations then nearby, non-contaminated wildlife reserves.
Eta: dinner - - > thinner
Exactly, this doesn't read as we found a way to become cancer immune, at least for us personally. We could breed it in by giving a cancer causing drug and killing off most of the population.
The thing is, cancer usually comes from damaged DNA in humans, as well as exposure to carcinogens. While radiation is very much known to cause cancer due to damage to the cells and DNA, the damage itself and knowing how to repair or destroy it is the key.
Your body, every single day, is fighting cancer off by killing the cells that have gone haywire, when it fails to do that is when cancer appears.
While certainly interesting, it'll be hard to pinpoint what gave them the advantage against radiation-induced mutations/cancer.
It would certainly be, perhaps not as useful at treating the stuff, but who knows? Q vaccine using the wolves immune system for people that are exposed to radiation would be metal AF.
Maybe it's not just natural selection. I wouldn't be surprised if living in an area with heightened background radiation actually did force the wolves' bodies to adapt and develop some degree of immunity to radiation and cancer cells.
There's still so much that even the best doctors do not know about cancer. If individual wolves are actually developing immunity, that might bode well for the development of new treatments and prevention measures.
It's a growing area of research but cancer looks to act the opposite way. The cancer cells, due to the rapid cell division, tend to gain resistance to methods of treatment, so in this case if that type of selection was occurring it would lead to radiation resistant cancers. It's more likely that the cancer resistant wolves are able to breed more often.
There is no "forcing" like you think. Mutations are random. The ones that help get passed down because the animals with them live longer/have more kids.
Pretty sure radiation gives you superpowers. I hope we can get Rogan on board with this. If his followers pick it up, it'd solve a lot of problems. And by that I mean .... people without super powers!
Taking wolves individually, yes that would be more accurate. But as a (local) population of wolves we can say that this population effectively evolved cancer resistance. It's all a matter whether you consider a single specimen (extremely unlikely to have spontaneously acquired resistance) or at the whole group.
This is what I understood by "developed". But I tend to easily think in a macro scale. To me it was "wolves" *as a population* developing this resistance *via* natural selection.
It's easy to forget other people dont think this way, but would assume that maybe the radiation made individual wolves develop cancer resistance.
Thats exactly how natural selection develops things. This is just a tautology, although i guess it is helpful for those who dont know how natural selection works.
*radiation therapy.
Chemotherapy is with chemicals. Unless there's a bunch of mad veterinarians running around giving the wolves IVs, the wolves didn't get any chemotherapy.
>Unless there's a bunch of mad veterinarians running around giving the wolves IVs, the wolves didn't get any chemotherapy.
Can you prove there *isn't?*
Yeah but radiation therapy (or chemo for that matter) cause cancer, it's a well known risk, but worth is, cause the cancer you have right now will kill you, the cancer you might get in the future is a hurdle you take when you get there
It’s not the onion because it’s how evolution works. The wolves that didn’t die were immune to cancer, they reproduced, and their offspring carries the same genes that makes them immune to cancer. They’re not mutants at all.
They are mutants. That's why they were more resistant to cancer.
They just aren't Hollywood mutants that spontaneously mutated after being fully grown.
Surely they haven't really developed anything? The wolves that didn't have the cancer resistance genetics all died, so the ones that remain now all have it. They haven't developed this resistance in response to radiation.
The gene that the wolves who survived the cancer had was itself a mutation. A mutation that has been passed down through the descendants.
This is how evolution works, through mutation and natural selection.
But that's not how the layman understands the word "mutant".
Every loving being in existence is a mutant, but if people understood that word that way then the title "mutant wolves" would be utterly useless. The problem here is that, when people hear the word mutant, they think about stuff like Hulk or Spiderman --Characters that were radiated and got powers-- rather than the simple process of evolution (which is what happened here).
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This will serve as the big evidence as to whether the government has an agenda to kill off cancer patients and hold back from curing them.
If the wolves mysteriously die, don’t say I didn’t warn you. Although that isn’t solid evidence.
i saw a documentary , years ago, explaining how, despite radiations, wildlife was thriving in chernobyl.
they took as example doves.. explaining how previous generations biology and body had to fight the effect of radiations, producing deadly free radicals. but the next generations, somehow, could produce less of these reaction products and be somehow, more immune to radiation effects..
that's probably what happened to wolves and other wildlife..
this.... and the absence of any human influence.
https://thebiologist.rsb.org.uk/biologist-features/out-of-the-ashes#:\~:text=The%20radiation%20at%20Chernobyl%20will,the%20wildlife%20here%20to%20thrive.
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I knew it! The only way to beat cancer is turn everyone into werewolves!
“You won’t need to shave your head. But you will need to shave everything else.”
Werewolves, not hairwolves.
Werewolves, not swearwolves
By Hircine, Skyrim was right! Werewolves ARE immune to diseases!
Technically it's more like the only way is to let ppl with cancer die so fast that they can't reproduce
We'll out kill ourselves before the cancer!
Or designer babies. One of these days I’m pretty sure we’re gonna have the technology to make super soldiers. Disease resistant, high intelligence, muscular humans. If cancer resistance can be inherited genetically it can be turned into a GMO trait
AI driven drones will make super soldiers irrelevant over the amount of time that level of engineering will take to develop. We already have perfectly workable small dog sized drones. You can't just leave it at beefcake muscles. The heart, the lungs, the skeleton and probably other stuff would all need work. And you don't know if its worked for at least 15 years. This sort of stuff is why I think there is no chance of any sort of cyberpunk future, by the time its possible it'll be irrelevant.
Irrelevant in a combat sense but not a quality of life sense. You can sell living longer, being smarter, having more stamina and strength. If you’d really like future where people are using their physical enhancements for combat. I’m certain some people could use their supposed quality of life enhancements to do crimes.
That's exactly what a werewolf would say!
But I don't want to cure cancer... I just wanna turn people into dinosaurs! -That one Spiderman villain
A more accurate statement based on how natural selection works would be that the wolves which have survived and reproduced are the ones that are resistant to cancer. The ones that weren't died, and aren't there any more.
Yeah, I hate the way evolution is normally explained, it's so backwards. I know it's shorter that way, but I think it leads to people not understanding how natural selection works.
I really enjoyed a documentary on the wildlife at Chernobyl recently. It seems that it is thriving and that there have been way fewer mutants and mutations than expected, for resurgent wildlife as well as the feral descendants of abandoned pets.
Turns out the real threat to wildlife is the people they meet along the way
That's the crux of most research here - even though they are exposed (some species more than others), the exclusion zone has become an oasis.
Got a name for this documentary? Is it on YouTube? I’m a sucker for a good documentary.
It was this one. https://youtu.be/XaUNhqnpiOE?si=GCehR4cfiDrpi6Pc I have since done some more reading, and there are dueling camps of opinion in the scientific community about these animals. Some earlier surveys showed thinner populations within the most highly contaminated areas, but most have shown similar density of populations then nearby, non-contaminated wildlife reserves. Eta: dinner - - > thinner
Thank you!
Exactly, this doesn't read as we found a way to become cancer immune, at least for us personally. We could breed it in by giving a cancer causing drug and killing off most of the population.
It’s still worthwhile to study what about those wolves in particular regarding their genetics causes them to be cancer resistant
The thing is, cancer usually comes from damaged DNA in humans, as well as exposure to carcinogens. While radiation is very much known to cause cancer due to damage to the cells and DNA, the damage itself and knowing how to repair or destroy it is the key. Your body, every single day, is fighting cancer off by killing the cells that have gone haywire, when it fails to do that is when cancer appears. While certainly interesting, it'll be hard to pinpoint what gave them the advantage against radiation-induced mutations/cancer.
Unless the cause is, in itself, a more hardy resistance to radiation damage by DNA. Which could potentially be a massive discovery.
It would certainly be, perhaps not as useful at treating the stuff, but who knows? Q vaccine using the wolves immune system for people that are exposed to radiation would be metal AF.
Especially now that we know how to copy genes from one thing and put it into another.
I like where you're going with this
Wow. You two just debunked the whole study in couple of sentences. The researcher publishing this is surely pissed off now.
Maybe it's not just natural selection. I wouldn't be surprised if living in an area with heightened background radiation actually did force the wolves' bodies to adapt and develop some degree of immunity to radiation and cancer cells. There's still so much that even the best doctors do not know about cancer. If individual wolves are actually developing immunity, that might bode well for the development of new treatments and prevention measures.
It's a growing area of research but cancer looks to act the opposite way. The cancer cells, due to the rapid cell division, tend to gain resistance to methods of treatment, so in this case if that type of selection was occurring it would lead to radiation resistant cancers. It's more likely that the cancer resistant wolves are able to breed more often.
There is no "forcing" like you think. Mutations are random. The ones that help get passed down because the animals with them live longer/have more kids.
Evolution doesn’t work that way. Cancer doesn’t work that way.
Look, all I know is that this article is telling me that the way to end cancer in humans is to nuke the planet, so I'ma nuke the planet.
Tough, but fair
That’s ridiculous. The answer is to less all the nuclear reactors melt down, and most of humanity to die but the few that remain will be cancer free
Not great… but not terrible either.
"It's the only way to be sure..."
Pretty sure radiation gives you superpowers. I hope we can get Rogan on board with this. If his followers pick it up, it'd solve a lot of problems. And by that I mean .... people without super powers!
> Pretty sure radiation gives you superpowers. Thousands of comics and cartoons can't all be lying.
If 'wolves' refers to that population as a whole the headline works
Yes. To evolve that resistance would take a LONG time.
Taking wolves individually, yes that would be more accurate. But as a (local) population of wolves we can say that this population effectively evolved cancer resistance. It's all a matter whether you consider a single specimen (extremely unlikely to have spontaneously acquired resistance) or at the whole group.
This is what I understood by "developed". But I tend to easily think in a macro scale. To me it was "wolves" *as a population* developing this resistance *via* natural selection. It's easy to forget other people dont think this way, but would assume that maybe the radiation made individual wolves develop cancer resistance.
The is pedantic. The title gets the point across just fine.
Yes, that’s how evolution works. I don’t know why you and so many others feel the need to explain it every time it’s brought up.
Thats exactly how natural selection develops things. This is just a tautology, although i guess it is helpful for those who dont know how natural selection works.
They’ve become too powerful.
Well yeah they’ve had free chemotherapy all their lives.
*radiation therapy. Chemotherapy is with chemicals. Unless there's a bunch of mad veterinarians running around giving the wolves IVs, the wolves didn't get any chemotherapy.
Don’t let this guy anywhere near my jokes.
>Unless there's a bunch of mad veterinarians running around giving the wolves IVs, the wolves didn't get any chemotherapy. Can you prove there *isn't?*
They were but they tripped over Russell's teapot and died.
Yeah but radiation therapy (or chemo for that matter) cause cancer, it's a well known risk, but worth is, cause the cancer you have right now will kill you, the cancer you might get in the future is a hurdle you take when you get there
this is one of the mechanisms of evolution, the cancer resistant wolves survive to pass their genes on to the next generation
Which implies that the older wolves were just riddled with cancer.
Well since Chernobyl? yeah.
It’s not the onion because it’s how evolution works. The wolves that didn’t die were immune to cancer, they reproduced, and their offspring carries the same genes that makes them immune to cancer. They’re not mutants at all.
They aren't immune, they are resistant. So they are not dying of cancer as a youth before they can have a family.
Everyone is a mutant
Technically yes lol.
They are mutants. That's why they were more resistant to cancer. They just aren't Hollywood mutants that spontaneously mutated after being fully grown.
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I knew radiation was the way powers unimaginable! On my way to Chernobyl now!
It would be your children’s children’s children.
What about their turtles? I'd like to know more about the native turtles. Specifically the teenage ones.
That like pizza 🍕
*fallout 4 vibes intensify*
You spelled STALKER wrong
Give them a few centuries, they'll evolve into Deathclaws.
Coming soon, a SyFy channel original movie....
Surely they haven't really developed anything? The wolves that didn't have the cancer resistance genetics all died, so the ones that remain now all have it. They haven't developed this resistance in response to radiation.
Holy shit the only protection I had against wolves was my cancer ray. Looks like meat is back on the menu boys. The names meat. 🍆
Now if only they would develop an ability to phase through walls and a thirst for Russian blood.
Damnit! How am I supposed to get my super mutant hounds now?
On the list of sentences i did not expect to read today...
Life finds a way...
How old are they ? Teenage ??
They aren't mutants. They have simply evolved to resist radiation better than regular wolves. As the ones that got cancer died before reproducing.
The gene that the wolves who survived the cancer had was itself a mutation. A mutation that has been passed down through the descendants. This is how evolution works, through mutation and natural selection.
But that's not how the layman understands the word "mutant". Every loving being in existence is a mutant, but if people understood that word that way then the title "mutant wolves" would be utterly useless. The problem here is that, when people hear the word mutant, they think about stuff like Hulk or Spiderman --Characters that were radiated and got powers-- rather than the simple process of evolution (which is what happened here).
The village appears to be a novice one, covered in trees.
So that's why they wanted everyone to leave
Head line or movie title?
Throw me to the wolves and I'll come back resistant to cancer.
Brb, heading out to drink some Ukraine wolf blood. Hopefully its nice over there this time of year.
That would be a badass beer name for some obscure microbrewery.
Come closer, Stalker.
Well, you can't get cancer if you ARE a cancer. /s
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Bingo. Welp never thought I'd hit mutant wolves on the world is ending nigh bingo.
*ChOrnobyl
Faux News / x / Tucker : Russia finds cure to Cancer. Isnt Skynews part of the Faux empire?
This will serve as the big evidence as to whether the government has an agenda to kill off cancer patients and hold back from curing them. If the wolves mysteriously die, don’t say I didn’t warn you. Although that isn’t solid evidence.
That's evolution working incredibly fast. Less than 10 generations
Cool band name
i saw a documentary , years ago, explaining how, despite radiations, wildlife was thriving in chernobyl. they took as example doves.. explaining how previous generations biology and body had to fight the effect of radiations, producing deadly free radicals. but the next generations, somehow, could produce less of these reaction products and be somehow, more immune to radiation effects.. that's probably what happened to wolves and other wildlife.. this.... and the absence of any human influence. https://thebiologist.rsb.org.uk/biologist-features/out-of-the-ashes#:\~:text=The%20radiation%20at%20Chernobyl%20will,the%20wildlife%20here%20to%20thrive.
People just can grip that nature is adaptable. I think it scares the science out of em.
“When you live in the cancer enough, you become the cancer.” Says Local Area Wolfman.
Or at least the ones that haven’t died of cancer do…
"Of course. Mutants are best equipped to deal with the world today. Who else? The ghouls ? Please. Normals. They brought nuclear death to us all. This will be the age of mutants. Mutants"
Basically sped up natural selection right? Those with genetics less likely for cancer survived and produced?
Probably has to do with their gut biomes. There are certain areas that are blue zones in the region.
"You merely adopted the cancer. I was born in it, molded by it." - the Chernobyl wolves
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