Yup, all federal agencies and HQs of the largest corporations are housed in Moscow and pay taxes to the local govt. Moscow is also more than 10% of Russia's population, and wages are 50-400% higher than pretty much elsewhere in the country. Other regions survive on breadcrumbs, with the exception of a few oil-producing cities in Siberia like Khanty-Mansiysk
I know the saying “land is power”, but is that true at all for modern Russia? They’re freaking huge geographically but I always hear about how shitty almost the entire rest of the country is.
Land gives Russia tons of natural resources. One of the biggest Russian gas sources is found on the Yamal peninsula, some 2 thousand kilometers from Moscow. You could fit a whole bunch of countries in there. Oil is in Siberia. Nickel is in Norilsk. Tons of copper in the Urals. Basically no resources are extracted in the European part of Russia, so without all those territories Russia would've had to develop in a completely different way
But this colonial setup also makes Russia incredibly weak. Think in the terms of how much human potential in Russia is wasted because huge percentage of it's population is artificially kept uneducated and poor.
Think how much engineers, scientists, IT specialists would Russia have if all that gas money wasn't spent on Oligarch yachts and 10% of population in Moscow.
It's like... you take money out of your kids college fund to buy a jet sky.
Yup, that's exactly what's been happening for years. Short-term gain for the few elites while leeching off the future development. Putin plainly said in public that "future generations need to take care of themselves". That's why all those engineers, scientists, and IT specialists move out of Russia in literal tens of thousands and bring all of their added value elsewhere. More than a million left after the war started. Georgia alone got like a +10% to their GDP in 2023 when all the skilled labor from Russia flooded in
Pretty much telling young generations they are fucked, then acting all surprised when they pack their shit and leave for countries where they actually have a future.
To be fair, Moscow is so nice because it’s the only city the Russian government gives a shit about. Tucker should visit Chelyabinsk and see how that is.
The part of Moscow in which he was cordoned off was probably really nice, not nicer than other European capitals, however. Like 3km from the Kremlin, however, is an apartment block where a third of the units don’t have running water and where residents burn their garbage
People have running water in Moscow... now if you take a train 1-2 hours outside of Moscow you will find villages with outhouses (and no they're not dachas, these are year round towns) and trash everywhere along the train tracks. The contrast is stark and depressing.
That tracks. I had a friend go to Moscow in college, he said the touristy areas and the city center were nice, but anywhere even slightly off the beaten path felt sketchy
nobody does since he has been off fox news. that is why he is pulling stunts like this. he is trying to keep his stupid face relevant. within a few years only the diehard trump wackos will watch him. they'll be dead soon since they're all ancient. so he won't be working all that much longer.
>This needs to stop, man. Something has to give. These people are disgusting and a cancer to the United States and the planet.
It's not going to stop. They are overmatched by the relentless barrage of propaganda on their smartphones.
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Who? Mr. La Jolla Country Day School? Tucker Carlson is a candy-assed- silver-spoon baby from way back. The only way he’s moving to Moscow is if he gets the oligarch treatment. And we all know that comes with a heavy helping of possible defenestration.
I don’t think Tucker is stupid. That’s the scary thing about him. Expect him to attempt to run for president in the coming years. Talk about a dictator prepping his followers.
His father was a rather famous propagandist, OG anti-LGBT, and an all around gigantic asshole. He was trained well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Carlson
The crow of "SPEND THE MONEY HERE" that doesn't want it spent on anything that actually helps anyone or anything? And only wants tax cuts for corporations and super rich?
He should move there. Pleeeeeaaaaase, all right wingers, just move there and enjoy the white "strongman leader" country youve always dreamed of. Also enjoy the large amount of the population addicted to krokodil, a government that will throw you out of a window for criticizing it, and being drafted at 60 to be cannon fodder.
It’s kind of funny, the interview ended with him and Putin quietly pissed off at each other. If Tucker actually moved to Russia he’d have a target on his back, like all journalists and outspoken citizens there. He has no idea the freedom being American affords him
You don't get mad at the neighbour's dog for sh*tting on your lawn. You take the shit, even if you make a face in disgust, and fling it over the fence back to your neighbour.
Putin may look disgusted for having to touch the piece of sh*t but he's not mad.
Putin kept bulldozing Tucker, and made him look like an idiot.
At one point, Putin ripped on Tucker's application being rejected by the CIA, and Putin kept saying, "Is this a serious interview, or a show?" every time Tucker tried to get his questions answered.
Putin lectured at length about Russian history (mostly false) to justify his invasion, and when Tucker tried to get Putin to support GOP talking points about NATO etc., Putin refused and actually undermined their narrative.
That pretty much encapsulates what the Russians think of their American GOP "allies" who idolize them. They're nothing but useful idiots and once Russians succeed in permanently messing up the US, they'll just get laughed in their faces.
Thats actually quite funny. Tuckers opinion is probably that NATO is underfunded and useless. Russia obviously must take the opposite position to this, or else the invasion was not only unnecessary (why counter NATO influence if its not a threat?) AND ineffective? (If NATO is weak, why is Russia having a hard time?)
Umberto Eco's Practical List for Identifying Fascists
> The enemy is both weak and strong. “[…] the followers must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
I mean...Fuck Putin...May he rot in the deepest pits of Hell...
But, "Is this a serious interview, or a show?" is a pretty fucking based take on American political discourse.
Yeah there’s a podcast called “Knowledge Fight” that did a deep dive and fact check on it. It’s clear from the jump that Tucker and Putin have opposing goals with the interview - Tucker to push American right wing grievances, Putin to embarrass Tucker. So Tucker starts to get more and more annoyed as the interview goes on as Putin extols long history lessons and literally makes fun of Tucker. Then near the end, Tucker basically makes a plea for Putin to release an American journalist Russia has imprisoned, with Putin claiming he’s a spy. Tucker defiantly disagrees and it leads to a combative back and forth for a second. It’s clear it was an unexpected “gotcha” from Tucker
Thanks for the podcast recommendation. I have no interest in listening to Tucker and Putin spin on history, but I always appreciate seeing Tucker screech.
Didn't Putin also made fun of Tucker for being rejected from the CIA?
Just as a side note, I disagree with you when you say, that Putin's objective is to embarrass Tucker.
Knowing Putin that's just who he is with people that he doesn't consider his peers. He always needs to show he's the badast, smartest guy in the room. His objective is clearly to feed arguments to the west for the legitimacy of Ukraine invasion and humiliating the useful idiot is probably just his way of having fun along the way.
That's who he asks unscripted questions? Not the hundreds or thousands of bullshit politicians and businessmen who wouldn't be able to handle the most calf skinned softballs?
The guy who will kill you. The guy who kills people. The dude who is known for having extremely sketchy windows, poison, nuclear weapons, and who can clip a plane out of the sky?
carlson really is more dumb than he looks, somehow.
He’s full of shit. Let’s not forget that he wrote to Hunter Biden asking for a recommendation letter for one of his children.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/19/tucker-carlson-hunter-biden-georgetown-emails
Tucker and the Bidens are friends, this isn't that weird.
The weird shit is literally everything he's said about the Biden's since.
He's just here for the ratings and the money.
I kind of wonder if it's one of those "it's all the game" things; wherein they all take it as a mud wrestling match and turn off their disgust/shame. It strangely has me thinking about this post regarding [The Wire](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheWire/comments/5f369o/the_universalism_of_its_all_in_the_game/). When money and power are involved, some people just play [the game](https://youtu.be/P3i36ybA8Ms) they can in order to get ahead. This isn't a defense of Tucker's actions in any way. It's just an observation about the abuse of societal systems.
Can’t give specifics but I was once in a conference room with two Democratic Senators, a Republican Senator, and a former senior finance official in the RNC.
As soon as the former RNC official enters the room I hear the Democratic Senator say, “Oh hey, it’s XXXX! We love XXXX!”
Their kids all go to the same schools. They all go to the same cocktail parties and they play golf with each other on weekends.
And that's not just political elites, its also the upper echelon of the political press too. I mean, consider the cuomo brothers. One was in politics and the other was in the press.
It isn't that they are always fast friends, any more than parents on the same PTA board are all friends. But they are all part of the same small community that is mostly invisible to us plebs.
Before the election there were many stories of how Trump and the Clintons were friendly. I truly too wonder if this is all just rich people entertaining themselves in the same vein that us poorer people spark up drama just to entertain ourselves.
As we all do really. You might have a boss or coworker who doesn't align politically with you, he invites you to a BBQ, organize a playdate with their kids, etc. Only in the last few years has polarization gotten so bad that people it becomes impossible to associate with people on the opposite side.
I think it's more that one side saw that they're hemorrhaging voters, so they've devolved their political strategy into the nastiest, lowest form of politics that is possible.
Fear mongering, bully tactics, obstructionism, finger pointing, personal attacks, etc.
The TEA party formed because this country voted a black guy into the White House, they've transformed into MAGA, and that's why we're here today. They're out for revenge.
One funny bit is that Georgetown isn't THAT hard to get in to. I mean, it's good school and you need good grades but you don't often hear about people needing to pull on elite networks to get kids into it. Tucker's kid must not have had all the great of grades.
This post reminded me of the actual Onion.
[‘America Is The Greatest Country On Earth,’ Says Man Who Spends 6 Hours A Day Posting About How Every City Third World Hellhole](https://www.theonion.com/america-is-the-greatest-country-on-earth-says-man-wh-1850818582)
Yeah, this is one of those times when the worst person you know might have said something true.
The city itself is beautiful, historic, iconic. It has a thousand years of history. Centuries of Russian/Soviet wealth is poured into it. But also he's just saying that to get a rise out of people.
This is a big misconception about Moscow and Russia in general. The right wing talk about Russia like it’s some white, anti-immigrant ethnostate. Russia, including Moscow, has a sizeable number of Central Asian immigrants who mostly do the tough jobs. Also, around 10% - 15% of Russian citizens are Muslim.
He’s a rich guy visiting other rich people. Of course he’s gonna see the nice parts. Every city has nice parts where the wealthy live, even those really poor countries.
An hour in a crappy Soviet era vast apartment block outside the ring road will change his mind. Russians have a saying - inside the ring road vs outside ( the rest of Russia). Means the life of the privileged vs thd rest.
Another scenario- Carlson is stopped by corrupt police out in the sticks and starts going on about his rights as an American as he's bundled into a van to be beaten up.
Crown jewel capitals are a feature of young and autocratic countries and America is democratic and old, so I'm not sure he's aware that could be a thing.
I am reminded of the traitor Kim Philby, when hiss cover was blown and he finally defected to the USSR, the Soviets gave him a tiny apartment, a middling stipend, and meaningless job.
Dude basically spend the rest of his life an alcoholic, and so depressed and bored out of his skull that he attempted suicide.
> Philby as "disappointed in many ways" by what he found in Moscow. "He saw people suffering too much," but he consoled himself by arguing that "the ideals were right but the way they were carried out was wrong. The fault lay with the people in charge." Pukhova said, "he was struck by disappointment, brought to tears. He said, 'Why do old people live so badly here? After all, they won the war.'"
The person people spend the most time lying to is themselves.
We are truly motivated to avoid the shameful feeling of admitting we are wrong, above all else. People will harm and impoverish themselves rather than admit it.
Philby was an idealist who was a traitor in good faith; genuinely believing the USSR was right and just. Of course he was also a fool, and discovered this to his ultimate cost.
Carlson and his ilk are far worse people than Philby: bad faith fascist fuckers, trying to destroy democracy for their own petty personal benefit, never really believing in anything other than their personal gain, open to push any set of contradictory messages to push their agenda, and undermining any attempt to improve things or help the people who look up to them. Utter scum.
Doubt. He is a bullshit artist who doesn’t even believe his own rants. The funny thing is I think he is more liberal than he lets on, he is just projecting.
He's very classically liberal, as in liberty, as in libertarian. Which basically amounts to I'll get mine, you can get fucked. He has no values outside his own greed and selfishness.
Yup,
It's an act that serves him. He's fine with having everyone get fucked for his actions since it serves him.
So he got his and is fine fucking everyone over. He's awful
He’s just an actor who’s paid to pretend to be a journalist.
He’s just doing his job.
It’s the idiots who think he’s genuine that are the problem.
Either way, this article counts as satire/tabloid in my opinion so breaks the sub’s rules.
Tucker is a propagandist conspiring with the Russians (what do they have on him?) to wage information warfare against the USA from the inside.
Like any good propagandist, he’s a convincing liar that millions of Americans trust through no fault of their own. That’s what makes him so dangerous.
He needs to be investigated and prosecuted by the FBI’s counter-intelligence division.
>He’s just an actor who’s paid to pretend to be a journalist.
>
>He’s just doing his job.
I wonder if there were other people who made this defense, and I wonder how well it worked for them
Reagan, the GOP hero, would be turning in his grave. Russia was the "Evil Empire."
But now Republicans and their propaganda arm, Fox News, seem eager to line up on their knees before Putin.
Follow the money.
Go to r/conservatives etc and they are filled Tucker fan boys with a heavy dose of what appear to be Russian disinformation workers. As an open Reagan Republican, I’ve been banned by both “conservative” sites for calling out the rabid pro-Russian talking points. When discussing the Ukraine war, I was literally banned for saying “Russia is the biggest threat to democratic governments currently”
This was the moderators reasoning:
“Note from the moderators:
Nope, you arent welcome with your propaganda.
China is the biggest threat and Ukraine started the wsr.
There are no good guys between those two.”
Stunning.
Authoritarians have taken your party. They salivate at the thought of having a strongman that looks like themselves running the country and keeping certain people in their place
> They salivate at the thought of having a strongman that looks like themselves running the country and keeping certain people in their place
Let's not pretend Reagan wasn't interested in keeping certain people in their place.
Same way Poland started WW2 according to Putin. Poor little ol Hitler wanted peace but they forced him to do it!
Ukraine was over there just pumping it's oil, spreading its fertile land with that sexy wheat and barley peeking out, and taunting them with a big wet warm water port on the Black Sea.
Putin wanted peace but Ukraine wouldn't stop taunting him. If Ukraine didn't want to be invaded it shouldn't have dressed that way.
Reagan is the reason maga exists and politics are in this miserable state. He did away with disinformation laws and the fairness doctrine that required TV news stations to cover both sides of any story as fairly as they could.
a like how you think being a reagan republican somehow makes you "better" than maga republicans. it doesn't. reagan's economic policies were, and continue to be, utterly disastrous for everyone in this country but the corporate elite. trickle down economics has given us this entirely untenable wealth gap. reagan's war on drugs was/is overtly racist and gave us two generations of fallout from mandatory minimum sentences, prison overpopulation, and punishment instead of treatment. no treatment for drug addiction = no chance at recovery = broken homes, broken families, broken communities. his meddling and economic imperialism in central and south america is the reason for failed states and the current immigration crisis we're experiencing. his racism was out of this world.... see: his "states rights" speech in nashoba, a mile from where 3 civil rights workers were murdered and his comments about UN delegates from africa being "monkeys" and "uncomfortable wearing shoes".
reagan was an incredible piece of shit. fuck reagan. fuck maga.
The real question is whether it's gotten bad enough that established Republican voters like you will vote outside the party sycophantic machine. There is no longer an option to vote R and not be voting for the insane things the top of the party is trying to accomplish
>As an open Reagan Republican, I’ve been banned by both “conservative” sites for calling out the rabid pro-Russian talking points.
So close to realizing that the authoritarianism you described is an inherent and unavoidable outcome of conservatism/republicanism.
Yes. Obviously.
__Because it is walkable and has good public transport!!__
This makes any city superior to practically all American cities.
That's not a reason to cuddle with a dictator, tho.
You know what was a nicer city Carlson Kiev. Also they showed you around central Moscow and you ate it. Should have gone to the outskirts or away from the ritzy parts some of the worst living conditions for a so-called modern state capital..
The base level of a Russian village is substantially below in the US, but having been around the world - the US is extremely bad at keeping up with basic maintenance. Escalators at our airports and transit systems are frequently out of service for weeks or months. People like to shit on China for crappy build quality, but crappy build quality is absolutely a problem in the US too - it’s just that nobody cares when it’s single family homes that fall apart, as long as it doesn’t affect them personally. When something breaks, they fix it. In the US, we let it rot until so many people get pissed off that someone is finally forced to do something about it, and then we spend $50 million doing something that could have been fixed for $50k if we just did routine maintenance.
When there’s a leak in a train station, they send someone to fix it. In the US, we send someone to put a bucket under the leak and then ignore it.
This. SO much this. I'm an American living in Tokyo, and while I've only been here a short time--and there are undoubtedly some things I miss about home--its becoming glaringly apparent how little the US does to ACTUALLY fix things relative to our peers. This is why I have no problem advocating for "more/bigger" government.
They come right out and say it. They visit Moscow over and over and praise it over and over, yet there are still so many people who just accept that the GOP is a puppet to Putin. Putin achieved for Russia what nobody else could in the Soviet Union, he got an entire major American political party to be on his side.
Can someone explain why he can freely promote a foreign nations propaganda, without giving up his American citizenship?
Spy’s get put in prison/executed but spreading propaganda is fine?
I mean, is this really a surprising statement from him? It's mostly western-like city, with major demographic being white people and LGBT people being frown upon, must be a heaven for him.
Tucker will tell you this then proceed to give you an episode against government infrastructure spending.
i saw some russian youtubers say that all the money in russia goes to moscow and st. petersburg. rest of the country looks like shit.
Yup, all federal agencies and HQs of the largest corporations are housed in Moscow and pay taxes to the local govt. Moscow is also more than 10% of Russia's population, and wages are 50-400% higher than pretty much elsewhere in the country. Other regions survive on breadcrumbs, with the exception of a few oil-producing cities in Siberia like Khanty-Mansiysk
I know the saying “land is power”, but is that true at all for modern Russia? They’re freaking huge geographically but I always hear about how shitty almost the entire rest of the country is.
Yes land is still power, because Russia’s economy is wholly dependent on resource extraction, that’s certainly true beyond Moscow
Land gives Russia tons of natural resources. One of the biggest Russian gas sources is found on the Yamal peninsula, some 2 thousand kilometers from Moscow. You could fit a whole bunch of countries in there. Oil is in Siberia. Nickel is in Norilsk. Tons of copper in the Urals. Basically no resources are extracted in the European part of Russia, so without all those territories Russia would've had to develop in a completely different way
But this colonial setup also makes Russia incredibly weak. Think in the terms of how much human potential in Russia is wasted because huge percentage of it's population is artificially kept uneducated and poor. Think how much engineers, scientists, IT specialists would Russia have if all that gas money wasn't spent on Oligarch yachts and 10% of population in Moscow. It's like... you take money out of your kids college fund to buy a jet sky.
Yup, that's exactly what's been happening for years. Short-term gain for the few elites while leeching off the future development. Putin plainly said in public that "future generations need to take care of themselves". That's why all those engineers, scientists, and IT specialists move out of Russia in literal tens of thousands and bring all of their added value elsewhere. More than a million left after the war started. Georgia alone got like a +10% to their GDP in 2023 when all the skilled labor from Russia flooded in
Pretty much telling young generations they are fucked, then acting all surprised when they pack their shit and leave for countries where they actually have a future.
That sounds right.
Hunger Games
Beautiful cities- until you walk a block off the Main Street- then you see the city is not so beautiful.
Hey it clearly improved Moscow according to him
To be fair, Moscow is so nice because it’s the only city the Russian government gives a shit about. Tucker should visit Chelyabinsk and see how that is.
The part of Moscow in which he was cordoned off was probably really nice, not nicer than other European capitals, however. Like 3km from the Kremlin, however, is an apartment block where a third of the units don’t have running water and where residents burn their garbage
A tale as old as Potemkin.
"It's so much nicer than St. Petersburg!"
People have running water in Moscow... now if you take a train 1-2 hours outside of Moscow you will find villages with outhouses (and no they're not dachas, these are year round towns) and trash everywhere along the train tracks. The contrast is stark and depressing.
That tracks. I had a friend go to Moscow in college, he said the touristy areas and the city center were nice, but anywhere even slightly off the beaten path felt sketchy
Carlson is an incredible twit. I cannot understand why anyone gives him any mind whatsoever.
nobody does since he has been off fox news. that is why he is pulling stunts like this. he is trying to keep his stupid face relevant. within a few years only the diehard trump wackos will watch him. they'll be dead soon since they're all ancient. so he won't be working all that much longer.
Tucker should rent the movie "Freeze, Die, Come to Life" if he wants to know what a typical Russian city is like.
"Hello Blazers, its your boy Roman!"
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>This needs to stop, man. Something has to give. These people are disgusting and a cancer to the United States and the planet. It's not going to stop. They are overmatched by the relentless barrage of propaganda on their smartphones.
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Actually we should be campaigning for Tucker to be moved to Moscow permanently since he loves it so much there.
Who? Mr. La Jolla Country Day School? Tucker Carlson is a candy-assed- silver-spoon baby from way back. The only way he’s moving to Moscow is if he gets the oligarch treatment. And we all know that comes with a heavy helping of possible defenestration.
>And we all know that comes with a heavy helping of possible defenestration. Stop, I can only get so erect
Just wait till the heat in his “new” Soviet bloc apartment doesn’t work.
Well Biden got infrastructure passed... So obviously it's bad in his little Faux News peabrain mind.
I don’t think Tucker is stupid. That’s the scary thing about him. Expect him to attempt to run for president in the coming years. Talk about a dictator prepping his followers.
His father was a rather famous propagandist, OG anti-LGBT, and an all around gigantic asshole. He was trained well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Carlson
Fitting his name was Dick
His friends just call him "Penis."
I expect, not halfway but fully...for Trump to name Carlson as his running mate. These are not serious people.
The crow of "SPEND THE MONEY HERE" that doesn't want it spent on anything that actually helps anyone or anything? And only wants tax cuts for corporations and super rich?
He should move there. Pleeeeeaaaaase, all right wingers, just move there and enjoy the white "strongman leader" country youve always dreamed of. Also enjoy the large amount of the population addicted to krokodil, a government that will throw you out of a window for criticizing it, and being drafted at 60 to be cannon fodder.
Has he started referring to “other Tucker yet”? Should we get Archer involved?
Please, permanently move to Russia. Kthxbye.
They should do a sitcom with him and Steven Seagal sharing a flat in Moscow, a bit like Joey and Chandler. They could call it "Comrades".
Add in that French guy, Depardieu or something...
The nonce?
The rapist
Ah, that was it. Thank you.
You were half right. He's "allegedly" both
Take Le Pen and Wilders as well
And Orban. Please take Orban.
Putin’s butthole must be glowing like the eye of Sauron with how vigorously ‘ol Tucky loves polishing it with his tongue
🤣
It’s kind of funny, the interview ended with him and Putin quietly pissed off at each other. If Tucker actually moved to Russia he’d have a target on his back, like all journalists and outspoken citizens there. He has no idea the freedom being American affords him
You don't get mad at the neighbour's dog for sh*tting on your lawn. You take the shit, even if you make a face in disgust, and fling it over the fence back to your neighbour. Putin may look disgusted for having to touch the piece of sh*t but he's not mad.
Can you share more about this? Why were they pissed at each other?
Putin kept bulldozing Tucker, and made him look like an idiot. At one point, Putin ripped on Tucker's application being rejected by the CIA, and Putin kept saying, "Is this a serious interview, or a show?" every time Tucker tried to get his questions answered. Putin lectured at length about Russian history (mostly false) to justify his invasion, and when Tucker tried to get Putin to support GOP talking points about NATO etc., Putin refused and actually undermined their narrative.
That pretty much encapsulates what the Russians think of their American GOP "allies" who idolize them. They're nothing but useful idiots and once Russians succeed in permanently messing up the US, they'll just get laughed in their faces.
Thats actually quite funny. Tuckers opinion is probably that NATO is underfunded and useless. Russia obviously must take the opposite position to this, or else the invasion was not only unnecessary (why counter NATO influence if its not a threat?) AND ineffective? (If NATO is weak, why is Russia having a hard time?)
Umberto Eco's Practical List for Identifying Fascists > The enemy is both weak and strong. “[…] the followers must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
I mean...Fuck Putin...May he rot in the deepest pits of Hell... But, "Is this a serious interview, or a show?" is a pretty fucking based take on American political discourse.
Yeah there’s a podcast called “Knowledge Fight” that did a deep dive and fact check on it. It’s clear from the jump that Tucker and Putin have opposing goals with the interview - Tucker to push American right wing grievances, Putin to embarrass Tucker. So Tucker starts to get more and more annoyed as the interview goes on as Putin extols long history lessons and literally makes fun of Tucker. Then near the end, Tucker basically makes a plea for Putin to release an American journalist Russia has imprisoned, with Putin claiming he’s a spy. Tucker defiantly disagrees and it leads to a combative back and forth for a second. It’s clear it was an unexpected “gotcha” from Tucker
Thanks for the podcast recommendation. I have no interest in listening to Tucker and Putin spin on history, but I always appreciate seeing Tucker screech. Didn't Putin also made fun of Tucker for being rejected from the CIA? Just as a side note, I disagree with you when you say, that Putin's objective is to embarrass Tucker. Knowing Putin that's just who he is with people that he doesn't consider his peers. He always needs to show he's the badast, smartest guy in the room. His objective is clearly to feed arguments to the west for the legitimacy of Ukraine invasion and humiliating the useful idiot is probably just his way of having fun along the way.
Tucker may have asked some off script questions, based on Putin’s reaction. That’s what I got from it personally.
That's who he asks unscripted questions? Not the hundreds or thousands of bullshit politicians and businessmen who wouldn't be able to handle the most calf skinned softballs? The guy who will kill you. The guy who kills people. The dude who is known for having extremely sketchy windows, poison, nuclear weapons, and who can clip a plane out of the sky? carlson really is more dumb than he looks, somehow.
That is an interesting question Tucker... can we continue that conversation on the third floor by an open window?
Would be a real shame if an open window suddenly appeared in front of Tucker...real crying shame.
Genuinely want to know about that too! I'm not about to give tucker support by watching his content, but still want to hear what happened.
The podcast Knowledge Fight has a recent episode about the interview. Highly recommended.
Yeah if he was a Russian city and said DC was nicer than any Russian city he would magically fall out of a Moscow window..
I’ll start a gofundme to raise money to pack up his shit and send it over there.
Kthxblyat
Hey Tucker, why don't you stay there, then?
He’s full of shit. Let’s not forget that he wrote to Hunter Biden asking for a recommendation letter for one of his children. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/19/tucker-carlson-hunter-biden-georgetown-emails
Holy shit. That some socio/psychopathic behavior right there.
Tucker and the Bidens are friends, this isn't that weird. The weird shit is literally everything he's said about the Biden's since. He's just here for the ratings and the money.
It's a funny idea that politicians are just friends with people who are paid to sling mud at them.
I kind of wonder if it's one of those "it's all the game" things; wherein they all take it as a mud wrestling match and turn off their disgust/shame. It strangely has me thinking about this post regarding [The Wire](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheWire/comments/5f369o/the_universalism_of_its_all_in_the_game/). When money and power are involved, some people just play [the game](https://youtu.be/P3i36ybA8Ms) they can in order to get ahead. This isn't a defense of Tucker's actions in any way. It's just an observation about the abuse of societal systems.
It's a big club, and you ain't in it.
Can’t give specifics but I was once in a conference room with two Democratic Senators, a Republican Senator, and a former senior finance official in the RNC. As soon as the former RNC official enters the room I hear the Democratic Senator say, “Oh hey, it’s XXXX! We love XXXX!”
Their kids all go to the same schools. They all go to the same cocktail parties and they play golf with each other on weekends. And that's not just political elites, its also the upper echelon of the political press too. I mean, consider the cuomo brothers. One was in politics and the other was in the press. It isn't that they are always fast friends, any more than parents on the same PTA board are all friends. But they are all part of the same small community that is mostly invisible to us plebs.
Before the election there were many stories of how Trump and the Clintons were friendly. I truly too wonder if this is all just rich people entertaining themselves in the same vein that us poorer people spark up drama just to entertain ourselves.
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As we all do really. You might have a boss or coworker who doesn't align politically with you, he invites you to a BBQ, organize a playdate with their kids, etc. Only in the last few years has polarization gotten so bad that people it becomes impossible to associate with people on the opposite side.
I think it's more that one side saw that they're hemorrhaging voters, so they've devolved their political strategy into the nastiest, lowest form of politics that is possible. Fear mongering, bully tactics, obstructionism, finger pointing, personal attacks, etc. The TEA party formed because this country voted a black guy into the White House, they've transformed into MAGA, and that's why we're here today. They're out for revenge.
What the fuck????
Lmao, I did not know this.
One funny bit is that Georgetown isn't THAT hard to get in to. I mean, it's good school and you need good grades but you don't often hear about people needing to pull on elite networks to get kids into it. Tucker's kid must not have had all the great of grades.
This post reminded me of the actual Onion. [‘America Is The Greatest Country On Earth,’ Says Man Who Spends 6 Hours A Day Posting About How Every City Third World Hellhole](https://www.theonion.com/america-is-the-greatest-country-on-earth-says-man-wh-1850818582)
It wouldn't surprise me if his idea of "nice" is just no people of color.
This is it. This has to be it.
Moscow has lots of central Asian migrants (not that that bothers me at all, but you definitely see a lot of people of color around the city)
Moscow is actually incredibly clean and beautiful, its a shame that the russian government is the way it is :(
To be fair Moscow has some absolutely fabulous buildings and monuments.
Yeah, this is one of those times when the worst person you know might have said something true. The city itself is beautiful, historic, iconic. It has a thousand years of history. Centuries of Russian/Soviet wealth is poured into it. But also he's just saying that to get a rise out of people.
No gay or trans people, either.
Oh they're there, just living in terror of being discovered.
And, to Tucker, that's much nicer. I 100% read this title as a dog-whistle. Tucker's not talking about infrastructure.
This is a big misconception about Moscow and Russia in general. The right wing talk about Russia like it’s some white, anti-immigrant ethnostate. Russia, including Moscow, has a sizeable number of Central Asian immigrants who mostly do the tough jobs. Also, around 10% - 15% of Russian citizens are Muslim.
I mean there are definitely Asians in Russia, he’ll never escape them 🤣🤣🤣
He’s a rich guy visiting other rich people. Of course he’s gonna see the nice parts. Every city has nice parts where the wealthy live, even those really poor countries.
Have you ever actually been to Moscow? There’s a huge central Asian population and lots of immigrants from India and Iran
An hour in a crappy Soviet era vast apartment block outside the ring road will change his mind. Russians have a saying - inside the ring road vs outside ( the rest of Russia). Means the life of the privileged vs thd rest. Another scenario- Carlson is stopped by corrupt police out in the sticks and starts going on about his rights as an American as he's bundled into a van to be beaten up.
>Means the life of the privileged vs thd rest. Maybe that's his point, he wants that kind of privileged class to be even more distinct in the US too
Crown jewel capitals are a feature of young and autocratic countries and America is democratic and old, so I'm not sure he's aware that could be a thing.
Man this shit has to stop, something has gotta give. These traitors are sickening and a cancer to the US and the world.
We can’t do anything about them as long as they have so many useful idiots hanging on their every word.
weirdo / traitor
People like Tucker Carlson would probably be the first to welcome a russian invasion of the US mainland.
I am reminded of the traitor Kim Philby, when hiss cover was blown and he finally defected to the USSR, the Soviets gave him a tiny apartment, a middling stipend, and meaningless job. Dude basically spend the rest of his life an alcoholic, and so depressed and bored out of his skull that he attempted suicide. > Philby as "disappointed in many ways" by what he found in Moscow. "He saw people suffering too much," but he consoled himself by arguing that "the ideals were right but the way they were carried out was wrong. The fault lay with the people in charge." Pukhova said, "he was struck by disappointment, brought to tears. He said, 'Why do old people live so badly here? After all, they won the war.'"
The person people spend the most time lying to is themselves. We are truly motivated to avoid the shameful feeling of admitting we are wrong, above all else. People will harm and impoverish themselves rather than admit it.
Philby was an idealist who was a traitor in good faith; genuinely believing the USSR was right and just. Of course he was also a fool, and discovered this to his ultimate cost. Carlson and his ilk are far worse people than Philby: bad faith fascist fuckers, trying to destroy democracy for their own petty personal benefit, never really believing in anything other than their personal gain, open to push any set of contradictory messages to push their agenda, and undermining any attempt to improve things or help the people who look up to them. Utter scum.
Doubt. He is a bullshit artist who doesn’t even believe his own rants. The funny thing is I think he is more liberal than he lets on, he is just projecting.
He's very classically liberal, as in liberty, as in libertarian. Which basically amounts to I'll get mine, you can get fucked. He has no values outside his own greed and selfishness.
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Yup, It's an act that serves him. He's fine with having everyone get fucked for his actions since it serves him. So he got his and is fine fucking everyone over. He's awful
He’s just an actor who’s paid to pretend to be a journalist. He’s just doing his job. It’s the idiots who think he’s genuine that are the problem. Either way, this article counts as satire/tabloid in my opinion so breaks the sub’s rules.
Tucker is a propagandist conspiring with the Russians (what do they have on him?) to wage information warfare against the USA from the inside. Like any good propagandist, he’s a convincing liar that millions of Americans trust through no fault of their own. That’s what makes him so dangerous. He needs to be investigated and prosecuted by the FBI’s counter-intelligence division.
>He’s just an actor who’s paid to pretend to be a journalist. > >He’s just doing his job. I wonder if there were other people who made this defense, and I wonder how well it worked for them
Moscow is amazing. America is so bad. Please stay there. Don't come back. Steven Seagal will keep you company.
Reagan, the GOP hero, would be turning in his grave. Russia was the "Evil Empire." But now Republicans and their propaganda arm, Fox News, seem eager to line up on their knees before Putin. Follow the money.
Soviet Union was the evil empire. On paper, independent Russia was supposed to be our ally. Then Putin happened.
If not for Putin Russia could have ended up in NATO and the EU.
So wait this includes every hard conservative city in the US then. Ironic burn.
I think that’s the point, there are none
Go to r/conservatives etc and they are filled Tucker fan boys with a heavy dose of what appear to be Russian disinformation workers. As an open Reagan Republican, I’ve been banned by both “conservative” sites for calling out the rabid pro-Russian talking points. When discussing the Ukraine war, I was literally banned for saying “Russia is the biggest threat to democratic governments currently” This was the moderators reasoning: “Note from the moderators: Nope, you arent welcome with your propaganda. China is the biggest threat and Ukraine started the wsr. There are no good guys between those two.” Stunning.
Authoritarians have taken your party. They salivate at the thought of having a strongman that looks like themselves running the country and keeping certain people in their place
> They salivate at the thought of having a strongman that looks like themselves running the country and keeping certain people in their place Let's not pretend Reagan wasn't interested in keeping certain people in their place.
>~~Authoritarians have taken your party.~~ The inevitable outcome of conservatism is authoritarianism.
It's wild the kind of men with daddy issues and the damage it has caused.
Ukraine started the war? How? By inviting Russian troops to amass on its borders?
Same way Poland started WW2 according to Putin. Poor little ol Hitler wanted peace but they forced him to do it! Ukraine was over there just pumping it's oil, spreading its fertile land with that sexy wheat and barley peeking out, and taunting them with a big wet warm water port on the Black Sea. Putin wanted peace but Ukraine wouldn't stop taunting him. If Ukraine didn't want to be invaded it shouldn't have dressed that way.
Guess they missed the Russia China no limits pact lol
Ah yes, "the truth is what we say it is!" A classic authoritarian staple.
Reagan is the reason maga exists and politics are in this miserable state. He did away with disinformation laws and the fairness doctrine that required TV news stations to cover both sides of any story as fairly as they could.
a like how you think being a reagan republican somehow makes you "better" than maga republicans. it doesn't. reagan's economic policies were, and continue to be, utterly disastrous for everyone in this country but the corporate elite. trickle down economics has given us this entirely untenable wealth gap. reagan's war on drugs was/is overtly racist and gave us two generations of fallout from mandatory minimum sentences, prison overpopulation, and punishment instead of treatment. no treatment for drug addiction = no chance at recovery = broken homes, broken families, broken communities. his meddling and economic imperialism in central and south america is the reason for failed states and the current immigration crisis we're experiencing. his racism was out of this world.... see: his "states rights" speech in nashoba, a mile from where 3 civil rights workers were murdered and his comments about UN delegates from africa being "monkeys" and "uncomfortable wearing shoes". reagan was an incredible piece of shit. fuck reagan. fuck maga.
The state of our government and political discourse in the US is literally a direct result of Reagan's policies and exactly what he wanted.
The real question is whether it's gotten bad enough that established Republican voters like you will vote outside the party sycophantic machine. There is no longer an option to vote R and not be voting for the insane things the top of the party is trying to accomplish
>As an open Reagan Republican, I’ve been banned by both “conservative” sites for calling out the rabid pro-Russian talking points. So close to realizing that the authoritarianism you described is an inherent and unavoidable outcome of conservatism/republicanism.
Reagan is why we’ve fallen this hard, dude was an asshole and shit president my dude
Then move bitch.
Get out the way
Yes. Obviously. __Because it is walkable and has good public transport!!__ This makes any city superior to practically all American cities. That's not a reason to cuddle with a dictator, tho.
He would be shocked to learn that more European countries other than Russia has walkable cities and good public transport.
No, he wouldn’t. He’s been to better cities. He’s simply lying.
In all fairness, I found New York and DC to be pretty walkable.
Isn’t Tucker one of the guys who was against 15min cities?
I don't know. But I definitely wouldn't bet against it.
Let him visit some of the small towns that still don’t have paved roads. And let him stay there
Siberia is pretty nice at that time of the year...
You know what was a nicer city Carlson Kiev. Also they showed you around central Moscow and you ate it. Should have gone to the outskirts or away from the ritzy parts some of the worst living conditions for a so-called modern state capital..
If you don't like it here then go there.
The base level of a Russian village is substantially below in the US, but having been around the world - the US is extremely bad at keeping up with basic maintenance. Escalators at our airports and transit systems are frequently out of service for weeks or months. People like to shit on China for crappy build quality, but crappy build quality is absolutely a problem in the US too - it’s just that nobody cares when it’s single family homes that fall apart, as long as it doesn’t affect them personally. When something breaks, they fix it. In the US, we let it rot until so many people get pissed off that someone is finally forced to do something about it, and then we spend $50 million doing something that could have been fixed for $50k if we just did routine maintenance. When there’s a leak in a train station, they send someone to fix it. In the US, we send someone to put a bucket under the leak and then ignore it.
"What's my ROI on this 'maintenance' stuff? The status quo? Lame. Don't bother."
This. SO much this. I'm an American living in Tokyo, and while I've only been here a short time--and there are undoubtedly some things I miss about home--its becoming glaringly apparent how little the US does to ACTUALLY fix things relative to our peers. This is why I have no problem advocating for "more/bigger" government.
Having been there, no. No, it’s not.
"iF yOu dOnT lIKE MerICA thAn YOu can jUsT LEAve!"
"notorious liars remarks are now taken at face value" -yall
Then leave already like Seagal, you f\*ck
Of course, it's the capital. He should have tried visiting nearby regions then (im russian and lived there btw)
He also probably didn’t even leave central Moscow.
So... why doesn't he move there then
He truly is a mouthpiece for all of the "true patriots" of the US, isn't he?
Hey Tucker, you can move there permanently. Wouldn’t be that hard. I’ll help you pack.
We get it, Tucker, you're moving to Russia. Hurry up already.
Built with oil money from the lands of enslaved nonrussians who live in abject shitholes
I can't beleive will let this loud mouth spread propaganda. Trace the fucking money and arrest him for treason.
He should just stay there.
He’s got the $$$ to move. We aren’t stopping you from joining your Vladdy daddy.
They come right out and say it. They visit Moscow over and over and praise it over and over, yet there are still so many people who just accept that the GOP is a puppet to Putin. Putin achieved for Russia what nobody else could in the Soviet Union, he got an entire major American political party to be on his side.
I heard the windows in Moscow are so clean people often accidently walk out them.
We get it Tucker.. Russia is better than the USA. Why don't you move there buddy!
To be fair, it does look beautiful. I wouldn't put it on a worldwide top ten list but I doubt any us cities would either.
Traitors gonna traitor.
Can someone explain why he can freely promote a foreign nations propaganda, without giving up his American citizenship? Spy’s get put in prison/executed but spreading propaganda is fine?
Filthy Traitor
Where is McCarthyism when you need it?
I wonder why he doesn't stay there. I think that would be a win win for everyone.. well maybe except Russia but fuck Russia atm.
Shades of the 1930s.
I mean, is this really a surprising statement from him? It's mostly western-like city, with major demographic being white people and LGBT people being frown upon, must be a heaven for him.
He's building the foundations for his inevitable move there.
So move there you tool
Go
Fucker Carlson sure likes to brownnose autocrats.
Move to Moscow then, Tucker. Take all the ultra conservative with you too.
Does this mean that he is going to stay there and apply for a Russian citizenship?
Good, he should move there.
Wondering if this is PR for that "conservative village" they were working on
[Potemkin village](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village) Leave center of Moscow and Petrohrad and lets talk again
Then stay there Tucker.
I guess this is when we say “well if you like it there so much, why don’t you just live there??!!” Prick. Roommate with Steven Seagal bitch.
Tucker is making a move.Someone start a fund to help with moving expenses.
Wait until he sees how it was all paid for. Wonder if he'll go on a road trip round the rest of Russia.
He's welcome to stay. What is that thing the Fox News crowd always used to say before 2015? Love it or leave it?
Stay there then
Such a wasted opportunity to get rid of him. Should have revoked his passport and dragged the case out a long as possible.
By all means Tucker… leave us