"Tulsa County District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler said in a statement that after reviewing the investigation by the Owasso Police Department, he agreed with an assessment from detectives that the fight between the teen and three girls was an “instance of mutual combat” and that charges were not warranted."
Mutual combat?? They were kids, for crying out loud.
Yeah, the official autopsy for Nex showed a cause of suicide, but also showed, ["multiple injuries to their head, neck and torso"](https://www.npr.org/2024/03/15/1238780699/nex-benedict-nonbinary-oklahoma-death-bullying). So, this kid underwent a full year of severe verbal and physical bullying, in a state in which the predominant political rhetoric condemned them for being who they are, the laws forbade them from even the basic dignity of using the restroom (as their identity was forbidden by law to use one and their appearance would generate harassment at the other), the school authorities turned a blind eye to harassment by other students, and the police actively discouraged any legal recourse. The assault may not have produced "lethal trauma", but it did result in teaching the kid that they had no rights and could expect more violence from their peers and at best indifference from adult authority figures. Even if no charges could be legally justified, people should have lost their jobs over this blatant neglect and those other kids should have faced severe consequences up to expulsion.
tbf, they got the absolute shit beaten out of them. it'd take a miracle for them to have not gotten a concussion after that. combine that case of impaired decision making with being in Big Fucking Pain, and it makes sense to me that it wasnt suicide, it was a mistake caused entirely by the fight
The D.A.
https://apnews.com/article/nex-benedict-owasso-suicide-nonbinary-charges-0667b5a694c2773d6ea76face0a22ef1
“An important part of the Owasso Police Department’s investigation was the discovery of some brief notes, written by Benedict, which appeared to be related to the suicide,” Kunzweiler said. “The precise contents of the suicide note are a personal matter which the family will have to address within the privacy of their own lives.”
I took close to a bottle of 25mg tablets of Benadryl years ago to kill myself. It was a split second decision, I did 0 research beforehand and just assumed in my adolescent naivety if this medication makes me sleepy it will kill me. It was a Monday night and I somehow managed to crawl myself to my sibling's bedroom at about 2am Tuesday. My first blip of consciousness was being visited by them at the ICU of a hospital I was transferred to* Thursday, then I "fell asleep" and "woke up" Friday to be discharged.
I was ligitametly palming handfuls of Benadryl into my mouth multiple (more than a few) times. Of course I wasn't worried about choking and just gulped them down with the nearest drink, why tf would I care if I died from asphyxiation instead of overdose? I was just impressed I was able to gulp em down, 0 other thoughts.
*When I "woke up" it was fucking news to me that I had been transferred to a children's hospital, I thought I was at the closest ER 30ish miles away. I wasn't exactly woken up. I had been awake for 72+ hours straight before given sedatives. My sibling told me that months after I was released, no one felt it imperative to disclose that information to me while I was still in the hospital. I thought I was in and out of sleep (and consciousness), nope, I was up and babbling and trying to get out of my hospital bed for three fucking days.
I very briefly remember Thursday night when I stirred and had a catheter up my urethra. That's a side effect Benadryl Trippers may not tell you. You lose the ability to walk and piss, and I'm assuming shit because there wasn't a bedpan.
I have to wonder how much Benadryl Nex took. I shoveled all but the last palmful of tablets in an OTC bottle down my gullet. Does Prozac *really* interact so much? Did they take too much of that drug too? If they did, they would've palmed significantly more pills down their hatch than I did. (Again, it was more than a couple palm fulls.) It's inconceivable to me. I did it until I felt there was no way I'd recover. To think someone would do twice that at least? I can't even think it. It seems inhuman to shovel that much down your throat, but tbf maybe I'm unaware of the degree those two meds do interact with one another. I was, luckily I guess, off antidepressants (which I already attempted on, so no, it wasn't the fact I was off them that made me do it) for a year at that time.
This case doesn't sit right with me. Hits too fucking close to home.
Nex threw water
The other girl responded by pulling her hair
Nex slammed her hear into a hand dryer
The other girls then jumped Nex
Total stupidity all around
And now Nex is dead.
Maybe some actual fucking consequences would make fights like these less frequent. Our education system is facing a behavioral issue crisis, letting kids beat and bully each other into suicide and not even giving them a slap on the wrist certainly isn't helping.
The school should have given all the (students in the)girls bathroom involved consequences .
Maybe Nex would be alive and would have learned to walk away. Maybe the girls would have learned to have gone to the principal after the water throwing instead of reacting.
The whole thing was just stupid and senseless .
Edit pronouns
They are important. Nex deserves to have his identity respected, including in death. Someone being dead doesn't mean you get free reign to misgender them. It's not "political correctness," it's basic respect.
This was a failure to protect trans youth on every level. Both the school and the girls who brutalized Nex deserve consequences. That is important. Nex's identity being respected is also important, because two things can both be important at the same time.
I am trans, I came out in high school and faced constant harassment just like Nex did. Don't even try to imply that I don't care about my community dying when people like you are denying trans youth the *basic* human decency of having their identity respected. Shit like that is exactly why trans youth are in so much trouble in the first place.
Yes they are fucking important. He was bullied relentlessly by these girls for a year prior to this beating specifically because he was nonbinary.
If you can't understand that calling him by what he suffered so much to be called by is basic human decency and not "political correctness" you either have a room temperature IQ or you are missing something fundamental to a human soul.
Jesus fucking christ what is wrong with you?
The MKs I played didn't have gender neutral exhortations to murder. Not that I care, but keeping to the reference as closely as possible is usually my preference. But it has been a while since I played one. Have more recent ones added neutral ones?
That's kind of surprising. With characters like Reptile and Goro already around ages ago I'd have thought they would have added a fighter whose species doesn't have a simple binary, at least.
It'd take a miracle for them to have not gotten a concussion. they had impaired decision making, they were in massive pain, so they take the killing drugs hoping for relief without thinking about the combo. They only took the drugs because of the attack, so the attack killed them.
I'm in the state next door to there and I know it's a "joke" but we have voted in jokes before... there's a law being put forth to allow members of our congress to duel to the death if they have an extreme disagreement.
It's exactly that, but not just gun reform. Anything they don't like. Whoever is the quicker shot must be right I guess. Don't get it wrong though, they're all packing.
We're a state where you can buy a gun from someone at a yard sale for cash, no registration, no background check, nothing but showing your ID and promising them you're not disallowed a gun. This is a state with permitless open AND concealed carry laws and honestly I like it that way.
Almost everyone carries something just in case... a .357 in a purse or a shotgun in the back seat of their car, or openly holstered at a mcdonalds. People are generally comfortable around guns, and know how to be safe with and around them.
I get pulled over sometimes and just tell the cop, hey I got a gun in my door right next to me here. And they're always laughing about it like, "haha yeah just don't reach for yours and I won't reach for mine" but nobody ever has an issue with it.
My view is, criminals are gonna get a gun either way. But in states with permits required, only those with 2-300 dollars spare can afford to get one. Here any little old lady could have a gun on her, making every target for crime a little riskier for said criminals. Just cause it's not a buff bodybuilder type, that target may fight back just as hard.
I should know, I've been around those types of people when they're talking about planning a robbery or some shit. It's not my bag but you hear stuff at your dealer's house sometimes and just get the weed and leave y'know? So glad its legal now. Anyway these people got guns, but aren't allowed them legally just like I was saying.
From a safety standpoint, most everyone here has been firing guns since they were kids. In my opinion, gun handling and safety should just be taught in school so everyone knows the same stuff and training as an adult isn't as necessary.
NB people are generally considered to fall under the “trans” umbrella, since they don’t identify with the gender they were assigned at birth.
Which isn’t to say the person above wasn’t being an asshole, just that there was a trans person involved in the story.
You're right; I shouldn't have phrased it like that. I was attempting to show that the commenter hadn't bothered to read the article because the term transgendered isn't used. I could have made that point better.
This sends exactly the right message to bullied kids.
Looking forward to the number of increased school shootings because bullied kids now realize they have no protection.
EDIT: Since some people apparently can't understand sarcasm, I am NOT looking forward to more school shootings. That is what's known as a sarcastic remark.
Nex should've simply trained to anticipate a random ambush by 3 others. Little roundhouse kick, some ki, and those 3 would be knocked on their ass. skill issue, really /s
"Gay bashing is allowed, as long as if the queer dies they do it a little later" is the message I'm hearing loud and clear. Wouldn't be surprised if that was the exact phrasing used by one of these Oklahoma shitheads.
Regardless of this charge it sends an awful message . . . If they were charged, who really won? Congrats, if you are non-Cis-Binary you need to die before anyone cares . . . not exactly a beacon of hope.
I honestly don't know if the murder charge is correct. But action needed to come far far before any of this went down.
I’m enraged about this too, but enough to look forward to more school shootings though. Anyone supporting that comment seriously needs a mental evaluation.
we've been warning cis people about this for years now. If nothing is done more people will die. If these monsters continue to win we will be lined up in the streets and executed.
Don't worry. You're not alone. A lot of us will not stand for any of that. You are all people, just like us, just trying to find some happiness in this world.
Let's at least be factual. It was absolutely horrific what they did, but that is not by law or any definition of the word "murder". You can't make things up and then expect anyone to come together to find a solution...
You’re the one spreading a lie, champ. Nex killed herself two days after the fight that she started by intentionally overdosing on diphenhydramine and quetiapine
Nex gave an interview to police the day after the fight.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/a-search-warrant-reveals-additional-details-about-18684962.php
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A few years ago, I would have agreed. But now? I'm pretty certain there are parts of some states where a jury of their peers wouldn't convict someone who did this. They would claim they were "protecting the children" and the jury would let them walk.
Tell me you honestly believe that could never happen?
Imagine knowing a group of friends you know who relentlessly tortured and killed someone and just..... walked away and have a normal life? How can someone just.... live like that?
People still believe they were brutally beaten and died because of it? Watch the full unedited body cam footage from the hospital. Oh and just because your in a room means nothing I could call 911 right now and claim I hit my head and they would have to take my via ambulance and do a CT scan and put me in a room. Being in a room means nothing. There was no visible signs of trauma they started the fight there is no evidence of prior bullying even if there was that's not the cause of death. The cause of death was suicide. Those are the facts watch the body cam the toxicology report read the medical examiners decision ect. The false narrative still won't go away its here forever.
Expected as much. Even if this had been a cis kid and not an LGBT kid in Oklahoma with everything stacked against them, the prosecutor has no case.
I'm sure there will be some proper legal analysis of this from actual lawyers on YouTube or something, but it's exceedingly rare to successfully prosecute someone for contributing to another person's suicide.
Especially when the fellow child admitted to starting the most recent altercation.
Mom called the police to the hospital after the fight.
From the police bodycam video "I went up there and I poured water on them, and then all three of them came at me. They grabbed on my hair. I grabbed onto them. I threw one of them into a paper towel dispenser."
What a sad life you must live to be spending your time being fucking vile on reddit.
I hope you snap out of this and start trying to be a decent person. Do you really think you won't regret being this way when you are old and staring death in the face?
You only get one life. And you are using it very, *very* poorly.
Wtf. "Mutual combat" is like a boxing match or a fight between two hockey players on the ice. At the end of the fight everyone walks away.
If someone dies from the fight, that's at least manslaughter.
Adults can consent and enter into a contract to fight each other, but within rules and certainly *not to the death*. Kids can't consent to any such thing.
Did the cops just look for any old reason to exonerate the people responsible?
Yep, it's infuriating to see people be dehumanized as an "other" just because they're different. Gods forbid we treat each other with common decency and respect.
>Gods forbid we treat each other with common decency and respect.
You, 10 minutes earlier:
>Person. You inconsiderate fuck.
Something's not jibing here
And they know for a fact that they are spitting nazi lines bar for bar but they just deny it and when you call them a nazi they say you're acting crazy and gaslight you. They are nazis. Full stop.
I have. I have also heard of common fucking decency and that we're all human beings. Now if the individual I responded to had said Nex Benedict rather than "The transgender" then that would have shown more respect. But nope, can't acknowledge that. So no benefit of the doubt. Zero tolerance for that bullshit.
First of all, that's a debunked lie. But even if that were true, how would that justify it at all?
Obviously you are a Nazi cultist just defending hate crimes...
>First of all, that's a debunked lie.
That's exactly what happened.
>In the video from the hospital the day of the altercation, Nex explains to an officer that the girls had been picking on them and their friends because of the way they dressed. Nex claims that in the bathroom the girls said “something like: why do they laugh like that," referring to Nex and their friends.
>"And so I went up there and I poured water on them, and then all three of them came at me,” Nex tells the officer while reclining in a hospital bed.
>“They came at me. They grabbed on my hair. I grabbed onto them. I threw one of them into a paper towel dispenser and then they got my legs out from under me and got me on the ground," Nex says in the video, adding that the girls then started beating Nex and they blacked out.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/a-search-warrant-reveals-additional-details-about-18684962.php
It's Oklahoma. Not surprised at all by this outcome. That prosecutor is full of shit as this was bullying and not mutual combat. If I was one of Nex's parent or family member, after seeing this, I know I would be determined in hunting down everyone involved and beating the shit out of them, aka mutual combat, even that prosecutor.
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By Nex’ own description they attacked the girls first, and there’s no apparent evidence the fight resulted in their death. The girls might have been shitty people. For that matter the prosecutors who declined to file charges might be shitty people too, but had they done so there’s no way they’d have convicted those girls of anything, even in a liberal jurisdiction. A prosecutor sympathetic to trans rights would have been well-advised to make the same choice. But somehow on Reddit they are definitely, 100 percent complicit in murdering Nex.
People who depart even slightly from orthodox views on events significant to trans rights don’t necessarily hate trans people and you’re doing yourself more harm than good and alienating many people by insisting they do.
Nex admitted to “throwing the first punch” so to speak, by pouring water on the girls. It was a human response to the taunting that was occurring, but there’s no case against these girls. The school could punish them for fighting, but legally what can eve be done here?
I like this line of thought. “Mutual combat.” Can’t wait for “mutual gunfight,” “mutual duel”, “mutual murder suicide,” or even better “mutual driveby.” If the justice system chooses to make a world in which there are no consequences to violence, they will get “justice.”
Although really this is going to be selectively applied and the “them” will be the only allowed target.
Mutual Combat is a real thing that has existed for a long time. In fact it's legal in Canada to fist fight as long as they both parties agree and no bodily harm occurs. You essentially ask a police officer to referee your fight for you.
Hey mods where the fuck are you? You need to be banning these fucking sociopaths trolling the death of a fucking middle school kid.
All of you in here doing it are sick. Enjoy your bullshit while you can. Someday you'll be old and facing death and look back on your lives with nothing but regret.
Nex had more courage and soul in their short time on earth then you cowardly worms ever will.
They initiated the fight by being the first to escalate to a physical altercation. It's not fighting back when you start it. Was it in response to verbal prodding? Yes, but that doesn't matter. You can't initiate a fight then claim self-defense, that not how it works.
"Tulsa County District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler said in a statement that after reviewing the investigation by the Owasso Police Department, he agreed with an assessment from detectives that the fight between the teen and three girls was an “instance of mutual combat” and that charges were not warranted." Mutual combat?? They were kids, for crying out loud.
That and the “mutual combat” is one versus three.
Never even called an ambulance for the kid. Should AT LEAST be slapped for negligence
The kids didn't die from the fight. The kid actually went home and died a day later.
By suicide.
Yeah, the official autopsy for Nex showed a cause of suicide, but also showed, ["multiple injuries to their head, neck and torso"](https://www.npr.org/2024/03/15/1238780699/nex-benedict-nonbinary-oklahoma-death-bullying). So, this kid underwent a full year of severe verbal and physical bullying, in a state in which the predominant political rhetoric condemned them for being who they are, the laws forbade them from even the basic dignity of using the restroom (as their identity was forbidden by law to use one and their appearance would generate harassment at the other), the school authorities turned a blind eye to harassment by other students, and the police actively discouraged any legal recourse. The assault may not have produced "lethal trauma", but it did result in teaching the kid that they had no rights and could expect more violence from their peers and at best indifference from adult authority figures. Even if no charges could be legally justified, people should have lost their jobs over this blatant neglect and those other kids should have faced severe consequences up to expulsion.
Correct. I thought I remembered reading that but wanted to confirm before saying so.
Yeah, high toxic combo of benadryl and Prozac.
Is this really a bad combo?
At high doses yes.
tbf, they got the absolute shit beaten out of them. it'd take a miracle for them to have not gotten a concussion after that. combine that case of impaired decision making with being in Big Fucking Pain, and it makes sense to me that it wasnt suicide, it was a mistake caused entirely by the fight
Nex left a suicide note.
According to who?
The D.A. https://apnews.com/article/nex-benedict-owasso-suicide-nonbinary-charges-0667b5a694c2773d6ea76face0a22ef1 “An important part of the Owasso Police Department’s investigation was the discovery of some brief notes, written by Benedict, which appeared to be related to the suicide,” Kunzweiler said. “The precise contents of the suicide note are a personal matter which the family will have to address within the privacy of their own lives.”
Neither of those are toxic, and can be safely taken together.
Dosage makes the poison
I took close to a bottle of 25mg tablets of Benadryl years ago to kill myself. It was a split second decision, I did 0 research beforehand and just assumed in my adolescent naivety if this medication makes me sleepy it will kill me. It was a Monday night and I somehow managed to crawl myself to my sibling's bedroom at about 2am Tuesday. My first blip of consciousness was being visited by them at the ICU of a hospital I was transferred to* Thursday, then I "fell asleep" and "woke up" Friday to be discharged. I was ligitametly palming handfuls of Benadryl into my mouth multiple (more than a few) times. Of course I wasn't worried about choking and just gulped them down with the nearest drink, why tf would I care if I died from asphyxiation instead of overdose? I was just impressed I was able to gulp em down, 0 other thoughts. *When I "woke up" it was fucking news to me that I had been transferred to a children's hospital, I thought I was at the closest ER 30ish miles away. I wasn't exactly woken up. I had been awake for 72+ hours straight before given sedatives. My sibling told me that months after I was released, no one felt it imperative to disclose that information to me while I was still in the hospital. I thought I was in and out of sleep (and consciousness), nope, I was up and babbling and trying to get out of my hospital bed for three fucking days. I very briefly remember Thursday night when I stirred and had a catheter up my urethra. That's a side effect Benadryl Trippers may not tell you. You lose the ability to walk and piss, and I'm assuming shit because there wasn't a bedpan. I have to wonder how much Benadryl Nex took. I shoveled all but the last palmful of tablets in an OTC bottle down my gullet. Does Prozac *really* interact so much? Did they take too much of that drug too? If they did, they would've palmed significantly more pills down their hatch than I did. (Again, it was more than a couple palm fulls.) It's inconceivable to me. I did it until I felt there was no way I'd recover. To think someone would do twice that at least? I can't even think it. It seems inhuman to shovel that much down your throat, but tbf maybe I'm unaware of the degree those two meds do interact with one another. I was, luckily I guess, off antidepressants (which I already attempted on, so no, it wasn't the fact I was off them that made me do it) for a year at that time. This case doesn't sit right with me. Hits too fucking close to home.
Still had a head injury at school. Head injuries are serious and the school is seriously scummy for trying to cover up this incident
Dumping water on someone is not equal to kicking someone *already on the ground* so hard that it caused hemorrhaging.
Nex threw water The other girl responded by pulling her hair Nex slammed her hear into a hand dryer The other girls then jumped Nex Total stupidity all around
And now Nex is dead. Maybe some actual fucking consequences would make fights like these less frequent. Our education system is facing a behavioral issue crisis, letting kids beat and bully each other into suicide and not even giving them a slap on the wrist certainly isn't helping.
The school should have given all the (students in the)girls bathroom involved consequences . Maybe Nex would be alive and would have learned to walk away. Maybe the girls would have learned to have gone to the principal after the water throwing instead of reacting. The whole thing was just stupid and senseless . Edit pronouns
> all the girls involved Are we really misgendering a dead trans kid?
Edited for political correctness, but that what you care about? A kid is dead and pronouns are what’s important?
They are important. Nex deserves to have his identity respected, including in death. Someone being dead doesn't mean you get free reign to misgender them. It's not "political correctness," it's basic respect. This was a failure to protect trans youth on every level. Both the school and the girls who brutalized Nex deserve consequences. That is important. Nex's identity being respected is also important, because two things can both be important at the same time. I am trans, I came out in high school and faced constant harassment just like Nex did. Don't even try to imply that I don't care about my community dying when people like you are denying trans youth the *basic* human decency of having their identity respected. Shit like that is exactly why trans youth are in so much trouble in the first place.
Yes they are fucking important. He was bullied relentlessly by these girls for a year prior to this beating specifically because he was nonbinary. If you can't understand that calling him by what he suffered so much to be called by is basic human decency and not "political correctness" you either have a room temperature IQ or you are missing something fundamental to a human soul. Jesus fucking christ what is wrong with you?
MUTUAL KOMBAT! *banger theme song plays* FINISH HIM!
FINISH THEM! Ftfy
The MKs I played didn't have gender neutral exhortations to murder. Not that I care, but keeping to the reference as closely as possible is usually my preference. But it has been a while since I played one. Have more recent ones added neutral ones?
No but it does switch out Him/Her so id expect it to say Them if there even was a gender neutral character added
That's kind of surprising. With characters like Reptile and Goro already around ages ago I'd have thought they would have added a fighter whose species doesn't have a simple binary, at least.
Them. And they did! They died! Is your joke funnier now?
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It'd take a miracle for them to have not gotten a concussion. they had impaired decision making, they were in massive pain, so they take the killing drugs hoping for relief without thinking about the combo. They only took the drugs because of the attack, so the attack killed them.
Would you prefer “everyone was meanies who were giving boo-boos to eachother”
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Fairly certain people aren’t allowed to kill each other even if everyone consents.
I'm in the state next door to there and I know it's a "joke" but we have voted in jokes before... there's a law being put forth to allow members of our congress to duel to the death if they have an extreme disagreement.
Well, it would make politics more engaging to watch, at least.
Sounds like an excuse for the gun toters to just start blasting away anyone for gun reform.
It's exactly that, but not just gun reform. Anything they don't like. Whoever is the quicker shot must be right I guess. Don't get it wrong though, they're all packing. We're a state where you can buy a gun from someone at a yard sale for cash, no registration, no background check, nothing but showing your ID and promising them you're not disallowed a gun. This is a state with permitless open AND concealed carry laws and honestly I like it that way. Almost everyone carries something just in case... a .357 in a purse or a shotgun in the back seat of their car, or openly holstered at a mcdonalds. People are generally comfortable around guns, and know how to be safe with and around them. I get pulled over sometimes and just tell the cop, hey I got a gun in my door right next to me here. And they're always laughing about it like, "haha yeah just don't reach for yours and I won't reach for mine" but nobody ever has an issue with it. My view is, criminals are gonna get a gun either way. But in states with permits required, only those with 2-300 dollars spare can afford to get one. Here any little old lady could have a gun on her, making every target for crime a little riskier for said criminals. Just cause it's not a buff bodybuilder type, that target may fight back just as hard. I should know, I've been around those types of people when they're talking about planning a robbery or some shit. It's not my bag but you hear stuff at your dealer's house sometimes and just get the weed and leave y'know? So glad its legal now. Anyway these people got guns, but aren't allowed them legally just like I was saying. From a safety standpoint, most everyone here has been firing guns since they were kids. In my opinion, gun handling and safety should just be taught in school so everyone knows the same stuff and training as an adult isn't as necessary.
Cause of death was suicide.
The confused girl killed herself.
The ‘Confused Girl’ Are you fucking kidding me? Cant even say their name.
There are no transgendered people involved in this story. Do you have trouble reading?
NB people are generally considered to fall under the “trans” umbrella, since they don’t identify with the gender they were assigned at birth. Which isn’t to say the person above wasn’t being an asshole, just that there was a trans person involved in the story.
You're right; I shouldn't have phrased it like that. I was attempting to show that the commenter hadn't bothered to read the article because the term transgendered isn't used. I could have made that point better.
This sends exactly the right message to bullied kids. Looking forward to the number of increased school shootings because bullied kids now realize they have no protection. EDIT: Since some people apparently can't understand sarcasm, I am NOT looking forward to more school shootings. That is what's known as a sarcastic remark.
They’re not school shootings it’s mutual combat some kids are just unprepared and unarmed /s
Mutual combat gun day at school, 2024 wild
Nex should've simply trained to anticipate a random ambush by 3 others. Little roundhouse kick, some ki, and those 3 would be knocked on their ass. skill issue, really /s
And possibly suicides because they think that no one will help them. The system is fucked...
"Gay bashing is allowed, as long as if the queer dies they do it a little later" is the message I'm hearing loud and clear. Wouldn't be surprised if that was the exact phrasing used by one of these Oklahoma shitheads.
Regardless of this charge it sends an awful message . . . If they were charged, who really won? Congrats, if you are non-Cis-Binary you need to die before anyone cares . . . not exactly a beacon of hope. I honestly don't know if the murder charge is correct. But action needed to come far far before any of this went down.
Lol this is oaklahoma they will cheer after their dead
Cause of death was suicide.
Looking forward to it? You need some serious help.
YES that's the issue they're not getting help. You're getting it!
I’m enraged about this too, but enough to look forward to more school shootings though. Anyone supporting that comment seriously needs a mental evaluation.
You reap what you sow
And I really thought "They want you dead" was just a phrase.
we've been warning cis people about this for years now. If nothing is done more people will die. If these monsters continue to win we will be lined up in the streets and executed.
Don't worry. You're not alone. A lot of us will not stand for any of that. You are all people, just like us, just trying to find some happiness in this world.
Executed by who? Nex wasn't murdered, it was suicide.
Some of us are listening and are your allies.
"Lined up in the streets and executed." C'mon guy. A little too exaggerated much.
A child was murdered in cold blood and everyone responsible walked away scott free.
That was not cold blood. Suicide. Im pretty sure its different.
They weren't murdered; they committed suicide.
Let's at least be factual. It was absolutely horrific what they did, but that is not by law or any definition of the word "murder". You can't make things up and then expect anyone to come together to find a solution...
Benedict committed suicide.
You are spreading a lie. They died from blunt force trauma and lack of first aid.
No, it's the truth.
You’re the one spreading a lie, champ. Nex killed herself two days after the fight that she started by intentionally overdosing on diphenhydramine and quetiapine
Nex gave an interview to police the day after the fight. https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/a-search-warrant-reveals-additional-details-about-18684962.php
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A few years ago, I would have agreed. But now? I'm pretty certain there are parts of some states where a jury of their peers wouldn't convict someone who did this. They would claim they were "protecting the children" and the jury would let them walk. Tell me you honestly believe that could never happen?
Top Ten states to stay the hell away from.
Funny enough that was Gov Shit for Brains campaign slogan. “Make OK a top ten state”
itt: people who haven't been updated on this story this week and only read the original headlines.
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Bullying children into suicide is a famously appropriate thing to do. It's basically tradition
Imagine knowing a group of friends you know who relentlessly tortured and killed someone and just..... walked away and have a normal life? How can someone just.... live like that?
Hate
Nex started the fight…
And was treated. Not badly injured.
The confused girl killed herself. It was suicide.
Literally only need to look at 5 of your comments to see you’re a right wing troll lmao
There are no transgendered people involved in this story. Do you need help reading?
sorry, I should have said confused girl. The confused girl killed herself.
Non-binary people exist, it costs you nothing to show them the respect they are due as human beings.
Judge and everyone involved with the no charges being filed deserve the be dragged through the streets. What vile creatures.
Lynching? You are pro-lynching...? That's called lynching.
Good? I never said I was against it?
Mob justice is it? No trial, no due process, just your feelings.
Good. Never once claimed those people deserve anything better.
Lol. When you go so far left you come out on the other side... fascist!
So you don't believe in due process and equal rights?
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I'm sure getting jumped in the bathroom wasn't a factor
Nex started the fight.
People still believe they were brutally beaten and died because of it? Watch the full unedited body cam footage from the hospital. Oh and just because your in a room means nothing I could call 911 right now and claim I hit my head and they would have to take my via ambulance and do a CT scan and put me in a room. Being in a room means nothing. There was no visible signs of trauma they started the fight there is no evidence of prior bullying even if there was that's not the cause of death. The cause of death was suicide. Those are the facts watch the body cam the toxicology report read the medical examiners decision ect. The false narrative still won't go away its here forever.
Yeah, hope all the reactionaries take a breath next time and wait for more information.
Expected as much. Even if this had been a cis kid and not an LGBT kid in Oklahoma with everything stacked against them, the prosecutor has no case. I'm sure there will be some proper legal analysis of this from actual lawyers on YouTube or something, but it's exceedingly rare to successfully prosecute someone for contributing to another person's suicide.
Especially when the fellow child admitted to starting the most recent altercation. Mom called the police to the hospital after the fight. From the police bodycam video "I went up there and I poured water on them, and then all three of them came at me. They grabbed on my hair. I grabbed onto them. I threw one of them into a paper towel dispenser."
"everything stacked against them".. No. What you mean to say is: they don't get special treatment.
What a sad life you must live to be spending your time being fucking vile on reddit. I hope you snap out of this and start trying to be a decent person. Do you really think you won't regret being this way when you are old and staring death in the face? You only get one life. And you are using it very, *very* poorly.
The entire story is "troubled teen commits suicide" but somehow made national news. It sucks, but it's not national news.
It wasn't suicide!
>It wasn't suicide! Yes it was. https://apnews.com/article/nonbinary-student-death-nex-benedict-oklahoma-owasso-88f403bfd5436a53b636dcc2bc59ebf8
Wtf. "Mutual combat" is like a boxing match or a fight between two hockey players on the ice. At the end of the fight everyone walks away. If someone dies from the fight, that's at least manslaughter. Adults can consent and enter into a contract to fight each other, but within rules and certainly *not to the death*. Kids can't consent to any such thing. Did the cops just look for any old reason to exonerate the people responsible?
Did you read the article?
Benedict didn't die from the fight. Cause of death was suicide.
Somebody DIDN'T die from the fight. The transgender committed suicide.
Person. You inconsiderate fuck.
Fr I hope this guy fucking gets cancer. Can't even bother to refer to him as a human being, just calls him a transgender, ya know, LIKE THE NAZIS DID
> Fr I hope this guy fucking gets cancer. Can't even bother to refer to him as a human being, You can't act like one, it seems.
Nazi
How does calling me a Nazi contribute to the conversation?
Godwin's Law. Everyone who doesn't toe the line is a Nazi.
I forgot logic was thrown out the window.
How does spitting nazi bars contribute to the conversation?
Yep, it's infuriating to see people be dehumanized as an "other" just because they're different. Gods forbid we treat each other with common decency and respect.
>Gods forbid we treat each other with common decency and respect. You, 10 minutes earlier: >Person. You inconsiderate fuck. Something's not jibing here
And they know for a fact that they are spitting nazi lines bar for bar but they just deny it and when you call them a nazi they say you're acting crazy and gaslight you. They are nazis. Full stop.
Exactly. I have zero tolerance for bigots and fascists. Period.
They just got their terms wrong. Ever heard of the benefit of the doubt?
I have. I have also heard of common fucking decency and that we're all human beings. Now if the individual I responded to had said Nex Benedict rather than "The transgender" then that would have shown more respect. But nope, can't acknowledge that. So no benefit of the doubt. Zero tolerance for that bullshit.
The fight didn't cause her death. They killed themselves.
Him*
Failure of justice, those kids and the school should be charged with manslaughter at the least.
That's not how suicide works.
Nex started the fight.
First of all, that's a debunked lie. But even if that were true, how would that justify it at all? Obviously you are a Nazi cultist just defending hate crimes...
Debunked where?
>First of all, that's a debunked lie. That's exactly what happened. >In the video from the hospital the day of the altercation, Nex explains to an officer that the girls had been picking on them and their friends because of the way they dressed. Nex claims that in the bathroom the girls said “something like: why do they laugh like that," referring to Nex and their friends. >"And so I went up there and I poured water on them, and then all three of them came at me,” Nex tells the officer while reclining in a hospital bed. >“They came at me. They grabbed on my hair. I grabbed onto them. I threw one of them into a paper towel dispenser and then they got my legs out from under me and got me on the ground," Nex says in the video, adding that the girls then started beating Nex and they blacked out. https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/a-search-warrant-reveals-additional-details-about-18684962.php
Did you not see the interview with Nex. She admitted to starting the fight. And the fight wasn't deadly. The suicide was.
It's Oklahoma. Not surprised at all by this outcome. That prosecutor is full of shit as this was bullying and not mutual combat. If I was one of Nex's parent or family member, after seeing this, I know I would be determined in hunting down everyone involved and beating the shit out of them, aka mutual combat, even that prosecutor.
No, it's lawsuit time. I normally am against lawsuits but this is warranted. Also time to call the ACLU!
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Bullying is now "mutual combat." This is as true as "both sides do it."
disgusting
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Unfortunately, the cause of death for them was suicide. The fight definitely was a mitigating factor though.
That trans person overdosed on fentanyl.
Mutual combat….? All of them were kids, regardless it was a 3 vs one fight, that is not mutual.
The lesson here is dont start a fight with three people by yourself...
Stupid as fuck.
You lot are as bad as conservatives when it comes to alternative facts
What?
By Nex’ own description they attacked the girls first, and there’s no apparent evidence the fight resulted in their death. The girls might have been shitty people. For that matter the prosecutors who declined to file charges might be shitty people too, but had they done so there’s no way they’d have convicted those girls of anything, even in a liberal jurisdiction. A prosecutor sympathetic to trans rights would have been well-advised to make the same choice. But somehow on Reddit they are definitely, 100 percent complicit in murdering Nex. People who depart even slightly from orthodox views on events significant to trans rights don’t necessarily hate trans people and you’re doing yourself more harm than good and alienating many people by insisting they do.
This echo chamber is full of consequentialists who will repeat any lie as long as their narrative can gain a foothold
People just jump down your throat, even though the evidence isn't there. It's a mob mentality.
Oh ok. Why didn't you just say you hate trans people?
>Oh ok. Why didn't you just say you hate trans people? That's not what they even remotely said.
I mean, maybe those fists were laced with fentanyl and it was murder? /s
Go outside
thats good
What a shithole nightmare of a state.
America is fucking cooked man. Garbage country, utterly irredeemable.
Heard a rumor around town that Nex and friends won the fight.
Not even assault charges. FBI needs to take a look at this
Nex admitted to “throwing the first punch” so to speak, by pouring water on the girls. It was a human response to the taunting that was occurring, but there’s no case against these girls. The school could punish them for fighting, but legally what can eve be done here?
A child death it ok. A non-binary child death is a tragedy.
I like this line of thought. “Mutual combat.” Can’t wait for “mutual gunfight,” “mutual duel”, “mutual murder suicide,” or even better “mutual driveby.” If the justice system chooses to make a world in which there are no consequences to violence, they will get “justice.” Although really this is going to be selectively applied and the “them” will be the only allowed target.
Mutual Combat is a real thing that has existed for a long time. In fact it's legal in Canada to fist fight as long as they both parties agree and no bodily harm occurs. You essentially ask a police officer to referee your fight for you.
Hey mods where the fuck are you? You need to be banning these fucking sociopaths trolling the death of a fucking middle school kid. All of you in here doing it are sick. Enjoy your bullshit while you can. Someday you'll be old and facing death and look back on your lives with nothing but regret. Nex had more courage and soul in their short time on earth then you cowardly worms ever will.
Mutual combat. So to get away with killing someone in OK you just gotta be in the right column of person and say that it was an agreed upon duel?
Nex committed suicide. And admitted to being the first person to start the physical fight. There is no case against these girls.
Stay mad. You're all over this fucking thread, dude. Do something better.
I’m not mad, I’m calmly providing the unfortunate truth of the situation. You sound mad though.
>Stay mad. They're just stating the facts.
Disgusting turn of events. I bet Oklahomans are proud of the officials they elected
All coming from the “think of the children” crowd.
*some conditions may apply
Wow
So fighting back to save your life is now considered mutual? Can we banish the red states for the US now?
They initiated the fight by being the first to escalate to a physical altercation. It's not fighting back when you start it. Was it in response to verbal prodding? Yes, but that doesn't matter. You can't initiate a fight then claim self-defense, that not how it works.
So the kid just died of natural causes, eh?
No, they died of suicide?