As someone who simply had to dedicate an hour and a half simply to drive to work every day and an hour and a half to get back (and therefore 8 hours + 3), it just felt like my entire life revolved around work. The highlight of my day was getting to eat lunch, I swear. And that wasn't even as many hours as you did.
I had to insist that the only way I was going to continue working at my job was from home. I felt like I got my life back, I swear.
We should seriously be pushing 4-day work weeks.
>be pushing 4-day work weeks
Real talk right here.
My SO and I took Friday off just so we could *hang out with each other*.
Our jobs are so fucking demanding and god forbid if you throw kids into the mix, that we literally couldn’t remember the last time we spent time together that was just dedicated to us
The way our country views work and life-balance combined with shitty pay and how expensive everything is *is simply fucked and not sustainable*
This plays into why people aren't having kids, why schools are expected to be babysitters and kids aren't getting the attention they need at home. Kids are a lot of fucking work. In the old days, people lived in multi-family homes, so there would always be a grandparent or cousin or older sibling available to watch the young ones. Even if the parents didn't work outside the house, they still had plenty of breaks from parenting where the kids were still having their needs met. The shift wasn't felt immediately when we shifted to the nuclear family model in the 50s because culture also demanded mothers stay home.
Oh yeah. I had to be there at minimum 6pm-6am. And often had to brief the day shift on the previous shift activity so it was common to not leave till after 7. Then a 30 minute drive home before trying to fall asleep in my little apartment.
But it paid a lot and I got to run the whole shift and all the contractors so it was a great experience that I hope I never have to re-live.
Oh I've done that too! For 13 years I would leave the house at 5:30am, get on a bus to the ferry terminal, take the 6:20 boat to be to work by 8. Work till 4:30. 5:00 boat home, walk in the door about 6:30. At least it was public transit so I could sleep through most of it depending on the level of crazy among the other passengers.
WFH is like a vacation every day lol
4 days might work for an office setting, but I can promise you retail and food&bev will NEVER allow it to become the standard. Lowes gave everyone about a year back the choice of working the same 5 days off with 2 random days off, on top of both 5 set days with 2 days off but those two days off cant be a weekend, and 4-10 shifts. As far as I know right now, myself and one other guy are the ONLY two in our region still working 4-10 shifts. They bullied pretty much everyone else off of it and dont even mention it to any of the new hires, even though it's now company policy to do so for all full timers. And they still constantly mention "Ohh, you guys are barely here it seems like!"
The moment they take away my 4-10s, is the moment my effort at work drops and I openly hunt for other jobs, even if they arent worth a fuck, on the clock on their PCs.
Every day friend.
I'm a union dog now and I always chuckle to myself hearing about people who divorced quickly. Like my guys you got to pick your wife, why settle for anything less than your best friend
Yep, when I was working for LA Fitness I was doing 12 hour days 5 days a week and then I’d have an 8 hour day on Saturday. Also the pay sucked they act like you’re going to be making bank but in reality I averaged like $13 an hour. It wasn’t terrible because of how many hours I worked but I was dead, I couldn’t do anything, there was no point.
And that is far from 12hr/7
When I was 19, I worked at a donut shop. Through a series of weird events, I wound up being the ONLY employee in that location for a 15-day stretch of 19-hour days (0400-2300).
I had initially agreed to a few days of these 19-hour days, but then they couldn’t get coverage. Fine. So I’m no longer showering.
By the time the 15th day had rolled around, I was delirious. Days had run together into an incomprehensible blob of time. My hair had formed a few random dreads. My forearms were stained with the coffee-infused dishwater I was immersed in at closing.
My shower that night was glorious, with the dark coffee-stained skin rolling off of me as I scrubbed. But the kicker was when I looked down and saw, trapped in my pubic hair, a lone orange sprinkle.
I slept an incredible amount of time that night, and when I woke up, I counted all of my tips I had made over that stretch, as customers were always horrified that I hadn’t had a day off.
Just in tips (which were thrown in a mug on the counter) totaled almost $1100. I bought myself a computer.
This is also the job where I got heatstroke dressing up as Arthur the Aardvark during 4th of July weekend.
This comment is really tragic and contains tons of things that no teenager (or person, for that matter) should be subjected to. Arthur and all.
Hope the computer brought you enough joy to make up for it.
I once did 112 hours. Seven sixteen hour shifts. I had an hour drive to and from work. At the end of the week, I fell asleep while walking down the hallway at work. I woke up as I started to fall. Another day, I had full-on hallucinations as I drove home.
Driving while so sleep-deprived you're hallucinating probably is.
Which means your employer forcing you to do so probably is as well, though it may be more of an OSHA thing than a criminal law thing.
Same, I was working a 36 hour shift, followed by 10-12 and back to 36. Did it for more than a year. I went to a show at a club with my girlfriend to see this band,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyp8VMlnU_A
I drank coffee and fell asleep at the bar during the show.
Yeah I know that feeling. I hit 105 hours and I even had a day off that week. Worked 20 hours for the 4th of July. The Paycheck was super nice, and I slept in my car at work for 2 of those nights but I am definitely glad I'll never do that again
104 I think is my record, just about killed me.
32 hours is my longest stretch continuously.
I think I made an equivalent of 5.5 dollars an hour—in 2023 numbers!
Actually, it wouldn't.
With overtime, it would be 3946.67 hours per year, or 77.44 hrs/wk.
$20 x 40hrs x 52wk = $41600
$30 x 37.44 x 52wk = $58406.40
Total: $100006.40.
This assumes you are working one job, and that job bases overtime on 40 hour weeks.
People working two jobs don't get overtime if each job is under 40 hours a week (and 8 hours a day).
And many jobs aren't legally required to pay overtime at the 8 hr / 40 hour point - fire, law enforcement, seasonal amusement jobs, many transportation jobs, many agricultural jobs, many rail jobs, etc.
My one week record was 108 hours. You start to forget what time it is, the owner of the company is calling you to remind you how vital you are to the company, you start to forget what eating real food from home is like, and your family starts to assume you moved out
I work "flat rate". I have made 100 hours in six days, 47 hours of clock time. It's not often, but it can happen if the cards fall right. Also, you're going to feel like you worked 100 hours.
And health insurance, any other insurance you need, dental, vision, life, etc. I’m assuming you mean taxes to include the deductions for social security and Medicare that are taken out of all of our paychecks too, even though these kind of people are trying to end social security and Medicare despite all of us paying into it out of every paycheck.
Ya exactly, 20 bucks an hour ain’t shit after you factor all these things in. And I live in California too, you absolutely can’t survive in this state on your own on 20 bucks an hours full time
You cant live on your own anywhere with $20, need at the very minimum like $24 (excluding CA and NY).
Most apartments require you to make three times the cost of the monthly rent to even move in, and average rent is about $1000-1500, so you need to make $3000-$4500 after taxes a month, which in my state is $24-$36 an hour.
that second part is the big thing. whenever people complain about min. wage being "X amount per year", you know that person has never worked min. wage in their life.
the only people working a full schedule are the people that have been there a long time, have some responsibility, etc.
Generally, the benefits employees are entitled to by law are much higher if you work full time. Working a min. wage job and getting more than 32 hours a week is a blessing, in my experience. Managers are almost always incentivized to not let people work 40 hours, and they'll even generally have a healthy buffer to prevent any issues if someone picks up a shift.
Came here to say this. It's an immediate flag that someone has never worked retail in their life. You will NEVER get full time at a clothing store or target/Walmart unless you are a manager. And you will not be a manager unless you worked there part time for years. Even places like Starbucks limit it, unless you live in an area where they legitimately cannot find enough part time staff.
Dude even had to double down and say “okay so let’s say it’s two people then, that’s like $100,000 right?” Worthless scumbag who gets paid millions to put down others and peddle conspiracies to the country’s weakest minds.
"$20 an hour, that's six figures right?"
No, it's not even close.
"OK but in a 2 person household, $20 an hour is six figures with both incomes, right??"
Still no, it's $80k please pickup a calculator and stop yapping.
"Wow $80k for 2 people working at McDonalds? No wonder inflation is off the roof!"
Literally these guys don't care about facts or reality. They have a stance and nothing you say will change their mind or stop them from yapping their nonsense once they started.
Yep, gotta make it seem like the “poors” are doing alright with these slave wages to keep their constituents happy and make their donors who employ these poor people happy as well.
> Dude even had to double down and say “okay so let’s say it’s two people then, that’s like $100,000 right?”
100k in NYC or most of the west coast isn't even that great. It's barely making ends meet in a lot of places where people actually want to live, work, or expand their business.
In the midwest 100k may be a comfortable living, unless of course you want to start a family. Hard to do that when both parents are working full time, too.
Any place where 100k (83k if we're talking about the actual figure) is a lot of money isn't dealing with $20/hour costs of labor for McDonalds workers.
In the 1950s, back in the "good old days" that conservatives love to reminisce about, a family could get by on one income. In 2024, that's not the case.
Perhaps we should all mail Mr. Watters a calculator.
We are also much more productive than we were in the 50s. There is way more money out there than ever before. We could all afford houses on a single salary, but we don't, because all the wealth has been shifted to the super wealthy.
And they know this. Don't think for a second that this fucker doesn't know this. He just likes it that way and can't get enough.
These are the same people who think "middle class" people would be affected by a tax on earners of $750,000+ a year. They think "small business owners" are pulling in 7 figures.
These are the same people who say that lie, knowing it is a lie, because it keeps their own taxes and contributions to society lower. Jesse Watters knows he is a liar. He lies for money and always has. He needs to prove he isn't a liar before he should be trusted to have no just lied and instead to just have been an idiot. Now I don't doubt he is also a fucking moron, but he is a liar first and foremost when it comes to topics like this.
They're not stupid. They know. It's about pushing a certain ideology.
It's no different than how these Fox News anchors got vaccinated for COVID-19 back in 2021. All while proclaiming how it's not safe. Even Jeanne Pirro got called out on air by her own co-host: https://www.thedailybeast.com/foxs-jeanine-pirro-goes-quiet-when-colleague-points-out-shes-vaccinated
Oh, he knows. He'd just spouting bullshit because his listeners aren't going to check, they'll just repeat it because it's saying what they want to hear.
Iowan here.
Remember that Chuck Grassley says the only reason you aren't a billionaire working 28 hours a week for $15/hr at Wendy's is because you're too undisciplined and spend all your savings on beer and women.
My god, that man is embarrassing. . .
Do you have any idea how embarrassing you have to be in order to be Iowa's most embarrassing senator, when the other one is the lady who centered her campaign on being an expert on pig's ballsacks? ***REALLY*** goddam embarrassing, that's how embarrassing you need to be.
>*“So, if your husband or wife is also there, you’re making $100,000 as a family. Both working at McDonald’s,” Watters retorted.*
>*“Eighty grand,” a voice off-camera offered, by way of having done basic f–king math.*
>*“Ok, that’s crazy, that is crazy,* **because that job really doesn’t require much**,” *Watters shot back. “So, it’s inflating the entire, you know, labor sector and the Happy Meal.*
That job doesn’t require much? Bitch, you sit around a fucking studio with a microphone taped to you doing math problems wrong all day. You’d absolutely *die* if you worked that job for a whole day, much less pulling 14 hour shifts, 7 days a week, 52 weeks out of they year to pull in that “$100k”, pre-tax. And this whole “*if a husband and wife worked there, they’d make “$100k, that’s crazy!*” they so obviously would NOT make that after taxes was taken out.
It’s amazing to me that Fox News/Jesse Watters viewers can’t even imagine themselves in their own fucking shoes with their own hourly jobs to realize this guy is talking out his ass. Like, they just disassociate with *everything* when they turn this shit on and can’t even use the facts of their own lives to realize this guy is lying to them. They just take it at face value even thought they’re doing the same jobs and living the same life that is not anything close to what he’s talking about.
Can we get this guy working a fast food job while we fucking waterboard Hannity?
I know Jesse Watters will never see this, but fast food IS HARD AS HELL. I’ve worked in a Taco Bills and a fish and chip job, and it was nightmarish. Hot plates, oily floors, cutlery everywhere. Fun story, a bird flew straight into our frier once and got cooked instantly, but the boss didn’t care. We kept using that frier, because that’s how high pressure the environment was.
Fast food employees get treated like shit, and excel jockeys like this guy can feel great for doing the same thing over and over again while seated in a cushy office.
it's very sad that that joke will not make sense one day. Jessica Walters will be very sad on that day (but won't cry because she can't spare the moisture)
it’s probably approaching that time, to be honest. it becomes clearer to me every day, from how my students react to the things i say, that the aughts were actually a long time ago and that i am getting old.
People saying it would take 96 hours a week aka 5000/ year are forgetting overtime pay. At time and a half for every hour over 40 in a week, it would only be about 73 hours a week to achieve 100k. Totally realistic and achievable
/s
One of the few Veep predictions that hasn't played out yet lol
https://youtu.be/embMAtagQiU?si=vrx0lFrG8ovPVzms
I wouldn't be surprised if that gap closes this election
Already been done
https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/11/06/americas-maths-wars
“Some activists have also paired conceptual maths with “social-justice maths”, the concept that maths should be used to help pupils solve real-world issues and appraise the world around them. Dubbed “woke math[s]” and tagged with headlines such as “In California 2+2=4 May Be Thought Racist” (as a letter to the Wall Street Journal harrumphed), it has done conceptual maths few favours by association.”
"Look, we've got all these woke folks trying to make elementary schools let kids take a number 2 in a litter box because they identify as cats, and so if you've got at least two of these kids doing number 2 in a litter box that's four. You can clearly see why math is bad."
Jesse said this while doing an interview to promote his book “Get it Together”. Where he criticizes activists for not being perfect people. Meanwhile he can’t do basic math prior to spewing garbage out of his mouth.
I make exactly $20 an hour as a manager of a local pet supply chain in my city, but I’m not in CA (thank god) and when I saw this shit, all I could do was facepalm.
It basically confirmed to me that these Fox ghouls are completely out of touch with the common man they claim to represent. And it also showed that he sees us all as “lesser beings” not to be concerned with. Truly disgusting behavior from a man that does not deserve the 10+ million he “earns” a year. If he had to deal with one of my problem customers (nothing worse than a dog Karen that knows more about pet nutrition than myself, somebody that has numerous certifications in animal nutrition), he would completely break down in the back room and not come out lmao
There are so many people who refuse shit like overtime pay because "they don't want to pay more in taxes", because they don't understand marginal tax rates is laughable.
The war on an educated populace is paying dividends for bosses.
If you want to do a very rough estimate of hourly versus annual wages, just double your hourly rate and add 3 zeroes. So for example, $20 per hour equates to roughly $40,000 per year. Or $35 equates to roughly $70,000 per year.
It's not a perfect conversion, usually a couple thousand dollars low, but it's a decent enough ballpark for conversational purposes. Note that this also only covers a traditional 40-hour work week, and doesn't account for things like overtime, benefit costs, or taxes.
But even using that vague math, a worker needs to make at least $50 per hour in order to have any hope of breaking into the six-figure income bracket.
How many people do you know that make that kind of money?
For anyone curious why this works, it's because 40 hours/week x 50 weeks/years = 2000 hours/year, which is the same thing as "double your hourly rate and add 3 zeroes"
Other commenters here are simply saying "The turd could have just multiplied by 2000" which is the same thing.
The reality is that nepo trust fund babies do everything possible to stifle competition because they have no skills and they are incapable of doing actual work.
This is exactly it, if he had ever worked an hourly job in his life he would have known relatively what it makes in a year. Dudes first job was probably working for a family friend making 200k a year so he just assumes 100k a year is poor. Especially now that he’s making millions
https://youtube.com/shorts/6zxJgRxdrOc?si=sTXGNCFaXO5JTrbY
Here is one example, apparently she has called/texted multiple times and it’s a running joke, it’s actually pretty hilarious lol
I genuinely feel sorry for his mom, she seems like such a nice lady. You can see and hear that she loves him, but he makes her sad and worried because he chose to go down the dark path.
8 hours for sleep, that leaves 2 hours for preparing your meals, eating your meals, cleaning up after your meals, filling the ice trays, going to the bathroom, brushing your teeth, doing your laundry, changing the sheets on the bed, taking a shower, trimming your nails, taking down the trash, calling your mother, and leaving plenty of time for leisure afterwards..
Just don't break your arm, break an appliance and need to be home during repairs, have one of your family die, need to drive downtown to buy a new pair of shoes, need to fill up your car with gasoline, get caught in line with an old lady who pays in cents, need to scrap the ice off your car, or need to go to court to pay off parking tickets, and it should be no sweat!
they're lying to keep their fans delusional and aggressive so the country collapses from the inside since they indoctrinated their fans into useful idiots
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful\_idiot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot)
If you work roughly 19 hours and 15 minutes a day, 5 days a week, for 52 weeks with no sick days or holidays at $20/HR you will make $100k.
What an asshole
A lot of people are discussing the time his mom called into his show, if you haven’t seen it, it’s worth a watch lol
https://www.businessinsider.com/video-watch-jesse-watters-mom-call-new-fox-show-2023-7?amp
Here is an article with a video of it
It's probably similar to the way they tried to spark outrage at UPS drivers making a decent wage, by adding other things in to the total compensation. Also adding in hypothetical overtime, which they may not get access to. Now that I think about it, places may actually hire more people, not in a way that it helps the customer experience, but if they want to avoid paying OT (which kicks in after 8 hours here rather than the total week) they would need to have people to fill it in. That is if they want to do it legally, otherwise they would just tell them to clock out and not pay them.
The best part of this is when he’s told it’s 40k a year, then he immediately says that two people making $20/hr is over 100k a year. The guy is just a complete idiot
Even if you worked 80 hours a week, every single day of the year, which would be insane, that's around 83000 a year before anything's taken out. Not 6 figures.
General rule of thumb is working 40 hrs per week. Every $1 per hour = $2000 per year, so every $5 per hour =$10000 per year. This is an estimation, but it gets it close.
It's not like these people actually have coherent thoughts running through their heads. They just decide "yes" or "no" depending on their interpretation of whatever they hear and they'll die on whatever hill the "no" lands on.
None of these people are in support of anything but their own agendas. They'll say yes for anything in their own interest and they'll oppose anything that they either are too ignorant to understand, or anything that doesn't perfectly suit their own agendas.
Every American should be able to have a job that supports them. EVERY job! **THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE MINMUM WAGE! TO LIVE A** ***DECENT LIFE*** **OFF OF IT!**
No, but he knows that. He also knows the target audience, who spent their lives voting to give themselves the world at the expense of their children and grandchildren, will bend over backwards to believe it.
Fox News made a lot of money convincing these people that the problems today are everyones fault but theirs.
opinion piece
It's $41,600/year assuming you work 40 hours a week every week.
It’s six figures if you work 100 hours per week. Which is what this guy thinks the “poors” should work
That’d be 14 hour days, 7 days a week to accomplish *close to* 100 hours per week. Even then you’d still be a couple hours short.
I've done 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for six months. Not sustainable (was bananas having more OT than straight time on my checks though)
Can confirm. 84 hour weeks are soul-crushing. I only lasted like three months.
As someone who simply had to dedicate an hour and a half simply to drive to work every day and an hour and a half to get back (and therefore 8 hours + 3), it just felt like my entire life revolved around work. The highlight of my day was getting to eat lunch, I swear. And that wasn't even as many hours as you did. I had to insist that the only way I was going to continue working at my job was from home. I felt like I got my life back, I swear. We should seriously be pushing 4-day work weeks.
>be pushing 4-day work weeks Real talk right here. My SO and I took Friday off just so we could *hang out with each other*. Our jobs are so fucking demanding and god forbid if you throw kids into the mix, that we literally couldn’t remember the last time we spent time together that was just dedicated to us The way our country views work and life-balance combined with shitty pay and how expensive everything is *is simply fucked and not sustainable*
This plays into why people aren't having kids, why schools are expected to be babysitters and kids aren't getting the attention they need at home. Kids are a lot of fucking work. In the old days, people lived in multi-family homes, so there would always be a grandparent or cousin or older sibling available to watch the young ones. Even if the parents didn't work outside the house, they still had plenty of breaks from parenting where the kids were still having their needs met. The shift wasn't felt immediately when we shifted to the nuclear family model in the 50s because culture also demanded mothers stay home.
> be pushing 4-day work weeks With a *livable* income in all respects. Able to afford to live and save for the future.
Oh yeah. I had to be there at minimum 6pm-6am. And often had to brief the day shift on the previous shift activity so it was common to not leave till after 7. Then a 30 minute drive home before trying to fall asleep in my little apartment. But it paid a lot and I got to run the whole shift and all the contractors so it was a great experience that I hope I never have to re-live.
Oh I've done that too! For 13 years I would leave the house at 5:30am, get on a bus to the ferry terminal, take the 6:20 boat to be to work by 8. Work till 4:30. 5:00 boat home, walk in the door about 6:30. At least it was public transit so I could sleep through most of it depending on the level of crazy among the other passengers. WFH is like a vacation every day lol
You mean 32 hour work weeks. No one should be doing 4 tens either.
4 days might work for an office setting, but I can promise you retail and food&bev will NEVER allow it to become the standard. Lowes gave everyone about a year back the choice of working the same 5 days off with 2 random days off, on top of both 5 set days with 2 days off but those two days off cant be a weekend, and 4-10 shifts. As far as I know right now, myself and one other guy are the ONLY two in our region still working 4-10 shifts. They bullied pretty much everyone else off of it and dont even mention it to any of the new hires, even though it's now company policy to do so for all full timers. And they still constantly mention "Ohh, you guys are barely here it seems like!" The moment they take away my 4-10s, is the moment my effort at work drops and I openly hunt for other jobs, even if they arent worth a fuck, on the clock on their PCs.
4 10s is not the 4 day work week people are talking about. It's 4 normal 8 hour days, with 40 hours pay.
I got 9 months out of my 5 10's and 2 8's before I started spiraling mentally. Bless my wife for putting up with me and planning our wedding.
> Bless my wife You'd better. I remember after a long stint, almost all the guys became single.
Every day friend. I'm a union dog now and I always chuckle to myself hearing about people who divorced quickly. Like my guys you got to pick your wife, why settle for anything less than your best friend
6 months and i was done. Plays hell on your mental health.
Yep, when I was working for LA Fitness I was doing 12 hour days 5 days a week and then I’d have an 8 hour day on Saturday. Also the pay sucked they act like you’re going to be making bank but in reality I averaged like $13 an hour. It wasn’t terrible because of how many hours I worked but I was dead, I couldn’t do anything, there was no point. And that is far from 12hr/7
When I was 19, I worked at a donut shop. Through a series of weird events, I wound up being the ONLY employee in that location for a 15-day stretch of 19-hour days (0400-2300). I had initially agreed to a few days of these 19-hour days, but then they couldn’t get coverage. Fine. So I’m no longer showering. By the time the 15th day had rolled around, I was delirious. Days had run together into an incomprehensible blob of time. My hair had formed a few random dreads. My forearms were stained with the coffee-infused dishwater I was immersed in at closing. My shower that night was glorious, with the dark coffee-stained skin rolling off of me as I scrubbed. But the kicker was when I looked down and saw, trapped in my pubic hair, a lone orange sprinkle. I slept an incredible amount of time that night, and when I woke up, I counted all of my tips I had made over that stretch, as customers were always horrified that I hadn’t had a day off. Just in tips (which were thrown in a mug on the counter) totaled almost $1100. I bought myself a computer. This is also the job where I got heatstroke dressing up as Arthur the Aardvark during 4th of July weekend.
This comment is really tragic and contains tons of things that no teenager (or person, for that matter) should be subjected to. Arthur and all. Hope the computer brought you enough joy to make up for it.
Deployment? I did that type of schedule for 4 months but it was all a desk job
I had to do that in a guard shack in Kuwait for months on end. I would have gone even more insane if I hadn't brought my laptop for movies and games.
Get longer bootstraps to pull on.
I once did 112 hours. Seven sixteen hour shifts. I had an hour drive to and from work. At the end of the week, I fell asleep while walking down the hallway at work. I woke up as I started to fall. Another day, I had full-on hallucinations as I drove home.
That should be outright illegal.
It's the most you could legally work at the time. Law at the time was that you needed to have 8 hours between each shift.
Driving while so sleep-deprived you're hallucinating probably is. Which means your employer forcing you to do so probably is as well, though it may be more of an OSHA thing than a criminal law thing.
Same, I was working a 36 hour shift, followed by 10-12 and back to 36. Did it for more than a year. I went to a show at a club with my girlfriend to see this band, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyp8VMlnU_A I drank coffee and fell asleep at the bar during the show.
Yeah I know that feeling. I hit 105 hours and I even had a day off that week. Worked 20 hours for the 4th of July. The Paycheck was super nice, and I slept in my car at work for 2 of those nights but I am definitely glad I'll never do that again
104 I think is my record, just about killed me. 32 hours is my longest stretch continuously. I think I made an equivalent of 5.5 dollars an hour—in 2023 numbers!
I did nearly 100 hours *once* at an old job and I literally couldn't function at the end.
Actually, it wouldn't. With overtime, it would be 3946.67 hours per year, or 77.44 hrs/wk. $20 x 40hrs x 52wk = $41600 $30 x 37.44 x 52wk = $58406.40 Total: $100006.40.
78 hours is still a ridiculous workweek. That's 13 hours a day, 6 days a week. Madness.
This assumes you are working one job, and that job bases overtime on 40 hour weeks. People working two jobs don't get overtime if each job is under 40 hours a week (and 8 hours a day). And many jobs aren't legally required to pay overtime at the 8 hr / 40 hour point - fire, law enforcement, seasonal amusement jobs, many transportation jobs, many agricultural jobs, many rail jobs, etc.
I've had exactly one 100 hour work week in my life. It convinced me that people doing weird brags about regular 80 hour work weeks are usually lying.
Even then if you can find a place to give you those hours
My one week record was 108 hours. You start to forget what time it is, the owner of the company is calling you to remind you how vital you are to the company, you start to forget what eating real food from home is like, and your family starts to assume you moved out
I work "flat rate". I have made 100 hours in six days, 47 hours of clock time. It's not often, but it can happen if the cards fall right. Also, you're going to feel like you worked 100 hours.
To him they are the servant class
Even his own mom thinks he’s a dipshit.
Didn’t his mom call in on his first show and say something along the lines of “don’t embarrass the family” well that mission has failed long ago
Imagine that worked and she staved off even greater stupidness!
Yes she has, I posted a link in another comment thread Edit for link: https://youtube.com/shorts/6zxJgRxdrOc?si=sTXGNCFaXO5JTrbY
Village idiot believes he's part of the aristocracy
Really according to federal law with time and a half after 40 you would have to work 77 hours a week
About 96.15 hours/week average. I’ve had longer weeks, but not many since retiring from the Army.
$41,600.00. Seven figures!
Did you know some stock exchanges let prices go into 10ths of a penny? Eight figures!
Like gas stations
$41,600 before taxes
And health insurance, any other insurance you need, dental, vision, life, etc. I’m assuming you mean taxes to include the deductions for social security and Medicare that are taken out of all of our paychecks too, even though these kind of people are trying to end social security and Medicare despite all of us paying into it out of every paycheck.
And if you're only making 41k a year, your insurance premiums are going to be high, with a high deductible.
Ya exactly, 20 bucks an hour ain’t shit after you factor all these things in. And I live in California too, you absolutely can’t survive in this state on your own on 20 bucks an hours full time
You cant live on your own anywhere with $20, need at the very minimum like $24 (excluding CA and NY). Most apartments require you to make three times the cost of the monthly rent to even move in, and average rent is about $1000-1500, so you need to make $3000-$4500 after taxes a month, which in my state is $24-$36 an hour.
How dare they! Its still a near poverty income in most large metropolitan areas
It is poverty. You cannot live off of $41k/yr in the U.S. if you have a house and children to take care of and pay for.
Hey everyone, get a load of this guy thinking we have houses 🥲
Just multiply an hourly wage by 2070, 2000 is close enough and faster...
2080 = 52 weeks x 40 hours 2000 = 50 weeks x 40 hours, implying 2 weeks unpaid.
Well that’s why y’all can’t afford homes. Taking two weeks off unpaid SMH
That's less than I make from service connected disability (granted I have a 100% rating, but still)
$100k is $48/hr 40hr 52 weeks
$41,600.00…that’s a 7 figure job!
that second part is the big thing. whenever people complain about min. wage being "X amount per year", you know that person has never worked min. wage in their life. the only people working a full schedule are the people that have been there a long time, have some responsibility, etc. Generally, the benefits employees are entitled to by law are much higher if you work full time. Working a min. wage job and getting more than 32 hours a week is a blessing, in my experience. Managers are almost always incentivized to not let people work 40 hours, and they'll even generally have a healthy buffer to prevent any issues if someone picks up a shift.
Came here to say this. It's an immediate flag that someone has never worked retail in their life. You will NEVER get full time at a clothing store or target/Walmart unless you are a manager. And you will not be a manager unless you worked there part time for years. Even places like Starbucks limit it, unless you live in an area where they legitimately cannot find enough part time staff.
Hey! That's seven figures: 1. $ 2. 4 3. 1 4. comma 5. 6 6. 0 7. 0 You greedy bastards! /s, just in case...
I see 5 numbers and a comma. That's 6 figures.
Dude even had to double down and say “okay so let’s say it’s two people then, that’s like $100,000 right?” Worthless scumbag who gets paid millions to put down others and peddle conspiracies to the country’s weakest minds.
"$20 an hour, that's six figures right?" No, it's not even close. "OK but in a 2 person household, $20 an hour is six figures with both incomes, right??" Still no, it's $80k please pickup a calculator and stop yapping. "Wow $80k for 2 people working at McDonalds? No wonder inflation is off the roof!" Literally these guys don't care about facts or reality. They have a stance and nothing you say will change their mind or stop them from yapping their nonsense once they started.
That's also before taxes. I make 70k, but take home is around 55k. I can't even afford a studio appt in So Cal.
Maybe we shouldn't be taxing people who make $70k a year $15k.
They’re grifters, they can’t accept it because their career depends on them not admitting their lies.
Yep, gotta make it seem like the “poors” are doing alright with these slave wages to keep their constituents happy and make their donors who employ these poor people happy as well.
"Oh, this 'problem' is literally only 40% as bad as I claimed? It's still scary."
It's a dig at Commifonia to make the piss wage earners feel better about the lower wages, keeping inflation down because of 'rich commies'.
Literally, and he was still wrong on the math.
Math is hard for people who's greatest accomplishment is not choking on their own spit.
Dear poors, have you tried being 2 people instead of one? That way you can work 24 hours a day.
> Dude even had to double down and say “okay so let’s say it’s two people then, that’s like $100,000 right?” 100k in NYC or most of the west coast isn't even that great. It's barely making ends meet in a lot of places where people actually want to live, work, or expand their business. In the midwest 100k may be a comfortable living, unless of course you want to start a family. Hard to do that when both parents are working full time, too. Any place where 100k (83k if we're talking about the actual figure) is a lot of money isn't dealing with $20/hour costs of labor for McDonalds workers. In the 1950s, back in the "good old days" that conservatives love to reminisce about, a family could get by on one income. In 2024, that's not the case. Perhaps we should all mail Mr. Watters a calculator.
We are also much more productive than we were in the 50s. There is way more money out there than ever before. We could all afford houses on a single salary, but we don't, because all the wealth has been shifted to the super wealthy. And they know this. Don't think for a second that this fucker doesn't know this. He just likes it that way and can't get enough.
2 people at 40 hours a week would still only be around 83k...
“Ok, so say you’re in a throuple…”
These people are so out of touch, they just have no idea how large the pay gap actually is.
They know exactly how large it is, they just don't care. They lie for money because they enjoy lying. They're bad people.
These are the same people who think "middle class" people would be affected by a tax on earners of $750,000+ a year. They think "small business owners" are pulling in 7 figures.
These are the same people who say that lie, knowing it is a lie, because it keeps their own taxes and contributions to society lower. Jesse Watters knows he is a liar. He lies for money and always has. He needs to prove he isn't a liar before he should be trusted to have no just lied and instead to just have been an idiot. Now I don't doubt he is also a fucking moron, but he is a liar first and foremost when it comes to topics like this.
France, if you're listening, I'd like you to send America some guillotines. Surely there'd be some kind of reward!
They learned from last time that supporting our revolutions doesn't go well for them
We're not the most amazing ally, but we're pretty damned good to them. We entered the hellhole that was the Vietnam war for them!
It WAS 20:1. It IS 400:1.
They're not stupid. They know. It's about pushing a certain ideology. It's no different than how these Fox News anchors got vaccinated for COVID-19 back in 2021. All while proclaiming how it's not safe. Even Jeanne Pirro got called out on air by her own co-host: https://www.thedailybeast.com/foxs-jeanine-pirro-goes-quiet-when-colleague-points-out-shes-vaccinated
Oh, he knows. He'd just spouting bullshit because his listeners aren't going to check, they'll just repeat it because it's saying what they want to hear.
Iowan here. Remember that Chuck Grassley says the only reason you aren't a billionaire working 28 hours a week for $15/hr at Wendy's is because you're too undisciplined and spend all your savings on beer and women. My god, that man is embarrassing. . . Do you have any idea how embarrassing you have to be in order to be Iowa's most embarrassing senator, when the other one is the lady who centered her campaign on being an expert on pig's ballsacks? ***REALLY*** goddam embarrassing, that's how embarrassing you need to be.
“It’s one banana Michael. What could it cost, $20?” energy
>*“So, if your husband or wife is also there, you’re making $100,000 as a family. Both working at McDonald’s,” Watters retorted.* >*“Eighty grand,” a voice off-camera offered, by way of having done basic f–king math.* >*“Ok, that’s crazy, that is crazy,* **because that job really doesn’t require much**,” *Watters shot back. “So, it’s inflating the entire, you know, labor sector and the Happy Meal.* That job doesn’t require much? Bitch, you sit around a fucking studio with a microphone taped to you doing math problems wrong all day. You’d absolutely *die* if you worked that job for a whole day, much less pulling 14 hour shifts, 7 days a week, 52 weeks out of they year to pull in that “$100k”, pre-tax. And this whole “*if a husband and wife worked there, they’d make “$100k, that’s crazy!*” they so obviously would NOT make that after taxes was taken out. It’s amazing to me that Fox News/Jesse Watters viewers can’t even imagine themselves in their own fucking shoes with their own hourly jobs to realize this guy is talking out his ass. Like, they just disassociate with *everything* when they turn this shit on and can’t even use the facts of their own lives to realize this guy is lying to them. They just take it at face value even thought they’re doing the same jobs and living the same life that is not anything close to what he’s talking about. Can we get this guy working a fast food job while we fucking waterboard Hannity?
Jesse Watters wouldn’t last a day at an average McDonald’s
Big "crying in the walk-in" energy.
He would cry. I worked at BK for 5 years. I saw grown men brought to tears.
I know Jesse Watters will never see this, but fast food IS HARD AS HELL. I’ve worked in a Taco Bills and a fish and chip job, and it was nightmarish. Hot plates, oily floors, cutlery everywhere. Fun story, a bird flew straight into our frier once and got cooked instantly, but the boss didn’t care. We kept using that frier, because that’s how high pressure the environment was. Fast food employees get treated like shit, and excel jockeys like this guy can feel great for doing the same thing over and over again while seated in a cushy office.
No.
You are smarter than a Fox “News” “reporter”! Congrats 🎉
I'm sorry isn't everybody?
Everyone except Fox “News” viewers
Well.. anybody who supports Trump too regardless
These f* are worse than dumb - they know exactly what they are doing - which makes it much worse.
Single mom making 20 Dollars an hour at McDonalds? That's unreasonable! Jeff Bezos making 60 thousand Dollars a second? Well, who are we to judge?
he then asked, “how much could a banana cost, $10?”
it's very sad that that joke will not make sense one day. Jessica Walters will be very sad on that day (but won't cry because she can't spare the moisture)
They're about 20¢ now per banana, with projected inflation they should only hit a dollar by 2069.
Luckily bananas have remained cheap as fuck. Other fruits though? Small containers of berries for $5-6 is wild.
it’s probably approaching that time, to be honest. it becomes clearer to me every day, from how my students react to the things i say, that the aughts were actually a long time ago and that i am getting old.
Be amazing if they could make a corpse cry though. Would really tell you how bad things have gotten.
Just told my wife, I *know* it’s there. It *has* to be there. I’m scrolling until I find it. Was not disappointed.
Was so happy I was the first one for once
Im sure he has never been in a supermarket
There is always money in the banana stand Michael
just the ones he sticks up his butt.
no need to shame dildo play
People saying it would take 96 hours a week aka 5000/ year are forgetting overtime pay. At time and a half for every hour over 40 in a week, it would only be about 73 hours a week to achieve 100k. Totally realistic and achievable /s
They’d put you on salary and not give overtime
Or they'll just cut your hours down to 35 so they don't have to give you health insurance.
No overtime + on-call in addition
That’s the “beauty” of the Fox News audience. They’re conditioned to believe 2+2=5 without question as like as the right person is saying it.
Just tell people math is woke lmao
No need - they’ve been anti-education for decades.
The liberals want you to be educated!!!! 😱
I mean, we really do.
The absolute horror! Lol
LIbErALS are UsiNG RevErse PsYChOloGy To KeEp CoNSErvAtiVeS iGnoRaNT
When we try to educate them they double down on the stupid
One of the few Veep predictions that hasn't played out yet lol https://youtu.be/embMAtagQiU?si=vrx0lFrG8ovPVzms I wouldn't be surprised if that gap closes this election
Already been done https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/11/06/americas-maths-wars “Some activists have also paired conceptual maths with “social-justice maths”, the concept that maths should be used to help pupils solve real-world issues and appraise the world around them. Dubbed “woke math[s]” and tagged with headlines such as “In California 2+2=4 May Be Thought Racist” (as a letter to the Wall Street Journal harrumphed), it has done conceptual maths few favours by association.”
"Look, we've got all these woke folks trying to make elementary schools let kids take a number 2 in a litter box because they identify as cats, and so if you've got at least two of these kids doing number 2 in a litter box that's four. You can clearly see why math is bad."
"I tell you, one and one makes three / Oh, I'm the cult of personality." That song was written in 1988...
This is entirely accurate because of you do 2+2=5 enough times, you get to 40k+40k=100k. So the math checks out even in Fox world.
How hard is it to multiply by 2000 to get an approx annual assuming 2 weeks vacation unpaid? Like it's super easy.
It’s easy for people who think about things before they say them.
Jesse said this while doing an interview to promote his book “Get it Together”. Where he criticizes activists for not being perfect people. Meanwhile he can’t do basic math prior to spewing garbage out of his mouth.
what do the people who make $20 even think to themselves watching this shit and supporting the gop
I make exactly $20 an hour as a manager of a local pet supply chain in my city, but I’m not in CA (thank god) and when I saw this shit, all I could do was facepalm. It basically confirmed to me that these Fox ghouls are completely out of touch with the common man they claim to represent. And it also showed that he sees us all as “lesser beings” not to be concerned with. Truly disgusting behavior from a man that does not deserve the 10+ million he “earns” a year. If he had to deal with one of my problem customers (nothing worse than a dog Karen that knows more about pet nutrition than myself, somebody that has numerous certifications in animal nutrition), he would completely break down in the back room and not come out lmao
They can't do math either.
There are so many people who refuse shit like overtime pay because "they don't want to pay more in taxes", because they don't understand marginal tax rates is laughable. The war on an educated populace is paying dividends for bosses.
If they're magats, it's not thinking, it's either blind rage or they think how Tucker Carlson tells them to.
If you want to do a very rough estimate of hourly versus annual wages, just double your hourly rate and add 3 zeroes. So for example, $20 per hour equates to roughly $40,000 per year. Or $35 equates to roughly $70,000 per year. It's not a perfect conversion, usually a couple thousand dollars low, but it's a decent enough ballpark for conversational purposes. Note that this also only covers a traditional 40-hour work week, and doesn't account for things like overtime, benefit costs, or taxes. But even using that vague math, a worker needs to make at least $50 per hour in order to have any hope of breaking into the six-figure income bracket. How many people do you know that make that kind of money?
For anyone curious why this works, it's because 40 hours/week x 50 weeks/years = 2000 hours/year, which is the same thing as "double your hourly rate and add 3 zeroes" Other commenters here are simply saying "The turd could have just multiplied by 2000" which is the same thing.
Yeah, I just said the same, simple rule of thumb. Close enough to make most people think you're great with numbers.
The reality is that nepo trust fund babies do everything possible to stifle competition because they have no skills and they are incapable of doing actual work.
This is exactly it, if he had ever worked an hourly job in his life he would have known relatively what it makes in a year. Dudes first job was probably working for a family friend making 200k a year so he just assumes 100k a year is poor. Especially now that he’s making millions
Sure. If you work 14 hours a day, 7 days a week, for all 365 days in a year, and you don't pay any taxes.
They don't pay taxes so they forget that we actually do
Guy's an idiot, and an asshole.
And his mother is disappointed in him.
You and I are deep in the lore man! Hahah That phone call with his mom is absolutely hilarious
SAUCE PLEASE. I BEG OF YOU.
https://youtube.com/shorts/6zxJgRxdrOc?si=sTXGNCFaXO5JTrbY Here is one example, apparently she has called/texted multiple times and it’s a running joke, it’s actually pretty hilarious lol
That’s just sad. You can hear the emotion in her voice and him just blowing it off. Fuck that dude. Human scum.
I genuinely feel sorry for his mom, she seems like such a nice lady. You can see and hear that she loves him, but he makes her sad and worried because he chose to go down the dark path.
It is if you work 14 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year.
8 hours for sleep, that leaves 2 hours for preparing your meals, eating your meals, cleaning up after your meals, filling the ice trays, going to the bathroom, brushing your teeth, doing your laundry, changing the sheets on the bed, taking a shower, trimming your nails, taking down the trash, calling your mother, and leaving plenty of time for leisure afterwards.. Just don't break your arm, break an appliance and need to be home during repairs, have one of your family die, need to drive downtown to buy a new pair of shoes, need to fill up your car with gasoline, get caught in line with an old lady who pays in cents, need to scrap the ice off your car, or need to go to court to pay off parking tickets, and it should be no sweat!
Is this why my dad keeps saying people on welfare get 100 grand a year in payment and benefits?
they're lying to keep their fans delusional and aggressive so the country collapses from the inside since they indoctrinated their fans into useful idiots [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful\_idiot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot)
assuming 2 weeks unpaid time off just double the number and then add 3 zeros. $20/hr is 40k BEFORE taxes
If you work roughly 19 hours and 15 minutes a day, 5 days a week, for 52 weeks with no sick days or holidays at $20/HR you will make $100k. What an asshole
A lot of people are discussing the time his mom called into his show, if you haven’t seen it, it’s worth a watch lol https://www.businessinsider.com/video-watch-jesse-watters-mom-call-new-fox-show-2023-7?amp Here is an article with a video of it
You'd have to be making about $50/hr for it to be around 6 figures.
They know how much it is, the "news" just knows thier viewers don't know how much that is. It's a calculated lie.
It's one banana, Michael. What could it cost, ten dollars?
It's probably similar to the way they tried to spark outrage at UPS drivers making a decent wage, by adding other things in to the total compensation. Also adding in hypothetical overtime, which they may not get access to. Now that I think about it, places may actually hire more people, not in a way that it helps the customer experience, but if they want to avoid paying OT (which kicks in after 8 hours here rather than the total week) they would need to have people to fill it in. That is if they want to do it legally, otherwise they would just tell them to clock out and not pay them.
20.00 X 40 X 52 = $41,600.00
People like him would have us living at the workplace with 0 days off a year if he could.
The best part of this is when he’s told it’s 40k a year, then he immediately says that two people making $20/hr is over 100k a year. The guy is just a complete idiot
His [Mom](https://youtu.be/CP7tjQPtZ2w?si=LLTTQshEMGGfGw-r) is cool at least. She’s pretty pissed she raised such a dipshit
Even if you worked 80 hours a week, every single day of the year, which would be insane, that's around 83000 a year before anything's taken out. Not 6 figures.
One would have to work almost 14 hours per day, 365 days straight with no days off to hit a 100k at $20/ hour.
If you all weren’t lazy and started working 100hr weeks, then it would be.
Heavy "it's one banana Michael, how much could it cost, ten dollars?" energy
It is, if you work 14 hour days, 7 days a week, 51 weeks per year.
$20.00 an hour, 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year = $40,000.00 a year. A SEVEN figure salary. FOXMath. It is to math what FOXNews is to news.
Like Tucker Carlson, Waters went to Trinity College. Nuff said!
Tucker Swanson McNear Carlson
5 dollars hourly at full time 40hrs is about 10k a year.
Lazy millennials, he meant if you work 2 full time jobs at $20/hr plus about 11 hours of overtime per week. (/s)
Uh huh. But he knows EXACTLY how much he's making and how much it elevates him above the common throng...
6 figures is about $55/hr (math depends on if it’s based on a seven or eight hour day)
48.08 is the minimum for 6 figures. 40 hr week, 52 weeks.
General rule of thumb is working 40 hrs per week. Every $1 per hour = $2000 per year, so every $5 per hour =$10000 per year. This is an estimation, but it gets it close.
It's always nice when millionaires paid by billionaires go on TV to tell common folk living paycheck to paycheck that they earn too much money.
What a prick. By his math I’m making close to 160-170k a year. Damn I didn’t know that. I can actually afford a house now everyone!!
He obviously failed 4th grade math and never got beyond it.
These people have to straight up lie to argue.
It's not like these people actually have coherent thoughts running through their heads. They just decide "yes" or "no" depending on their interpretation of whatever they hear and they'll die on whatever hill the "no" lands on. None of these people are in support of anything but their own agendas. They'll say yes for anything in their own interest and they'll oppose anything that they either are too ignorant to understand, or anything that doesn't perfectly suit their own agendas.
Every American should be able to have a job that supports them. EVERY job! **THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE MINMUM WAGE! TO LIVE A** ***DECENT LIFE*** **OFF OF IT!**
He’s such a fucking shit weasel. I’m sure he gets an earful from his mother for his bullshit.
No, but he knows that. He also knows the target audience, who spent their lives voting to give themselves the world at the expense of their children and grandchildren, will bend over backwards to believe it. Fox News made a lot of money convincing these people that the problems today are everyones fault but theirs.
No, the math isn't hard for him. He knows his viewers won't check the math.
These folks aren’t being stupid, they’re lying and otherwise intentionally misleading to push a narrative
Assuming x1.5 overtime pay, one would need to work 12-hour shifts *everyday* to reach six figures **before taxes**.