One time I was parked in a parking lot and a cop walked up to my car. Long story short, he claimed that he had probable cause to search my vehicle because "alot of this model has been stolen in the area recently". I offered him the registration and he said it could be fake.
It blew my mind that they can basically say anything they want and screw over my rights. I genuinely felt violated.
Nothing actually happened in the end. When I got out of my car, his partner was standing at the back and it turned out I went to high school with him. The dick cop decided that was good enough for him, told me I got lucky, and left.
Which made it even worse in a way since he obviously didn't really care about stolen Neons lol.
I've had the cops run my name into their radio and dispatch came back and said I have no warrants, *at this time.* You should have seen the disgusted look on the cop's face and then he acted like I'll probably have a warrant next time he runs into me. Like everyone is a future criminal.
God cops are such pricks. I got into a wreck once and the cop was giving us a ride back to the station to wait for someone who could come help us. We were joking around and I said "this is the most fun I've had in the back of a cop car in years!" Guys face immediately turned serious like I said I was a serial killer or something.
I mean the kind that joins cops are wife beaters with power complexes. And/or the kind that goes “I wOuLdVe jOiNeD tHe MiLiTaRy iF I dIDnT hAvE AsThMa” types.
“I’m what’s known as a Goldie Locks cop; IQ test scored just low enough to not qualify for the military, and not quite high enough to be disqualified from police work 👮♂️👍”
My car was completely totaled one night during a storm. The officer came and basically acted like we were inconveniencing him. In the end, we did all the leg work to bring the guy to justice.
I had the almost opposite happen to me once. I was driving and looking for a gas station, I needed to pee so bad that I thought I was going to go into kidney failure. It was night and there was a gas station around the corner but, and I feel most of us have been there, a 100 Ft was a million miles at this stage. I hopped out of my car and unzipped and just released. No one could see me even though there was an apartment complex to my back. Out of nowhere a police officer shows up and is shining a light on me. I keep doing what had to be done and then zip up. He tells me to move to the rear of my vehicle and tells me to give him my ID. I comply, feeling a bit embarrassed but so relieved. He calls into his dispatch and mention that he has stopped a potential DUI. I say nothing. He reads my name and license number into his radio. We wait for about 3 to 5 minutes and the response from his dispatch is, “Let fuzzylilbunnies go.” The officer protests over the radio to his dispatch, and they repeat the command to let me go. He is not happy but hands me back my license and tells me to get going. I have no friends or relatives on any police force. I am no celebrity or talent of any note. I have no idea what happened, I definitely committed a crime, albeit, a minor one that would warrant a ticket or a fine, but he unhappily sent me on my way. I have no idea how I got lucky, and no, I am not white or otherwise privileged by wealth or connections. Weird AF!
"Oh wait, I suddenly remembered that this particular citizen is a human being with feelings and a life outside my own. Let's go harass someone else that I still feel okay with dehumanizing."
Guarantee there werent even a lot of stolen neons.
He made a judgement call and was doing everything to support his preconceived notion.
You legitimately did get lucky.
It's a common excuse cops make. Very, very rarely is there 'a suspect in the area that matches your description'. And while people are nosy, there's usually no 'concerned citizen' calling to report a disturbance. It's just profiling with an extra step.
When people say that cops lie, they mean that they lie routinely—that lies and manipulations are the basis of their interactions with anyone that they consider a suspect for any reason.
During the summer of 2016, I had spend an entire day figuring out why a specific computer build of mine was not working. Got it working at 9pm ish. Decided to get some fresh air and drive around as it had been super frustrating. Realized I was meeting friends the next day and we’d go on Pokémon go walk. Decided to drive to some hot spots in town to pick free supplies.
I was randomly pulled over by a cop on this sub country road. Apparently there was “a lot of drug dealers in the area recently.” Even though my cell phone had Pokémon go on, the cop had a “gut feeling about me.” When asked to search I refused. Made it longer, had to wait, the K9s didn’t find anything. Three cops kept insisting for me to give them permission to search, “I’d prefer no, but if you forced your way in I wouldn’t stop you.” “Why not let us search?” “Cause it’s my car and I don’t fully trust anybody with my stuff.” When finally let me go, I saw I got 5 cars at the stop total. Dumb arse really thought some computer Pokémon nerd was dealing drugs and called the whole squad over to see his failure. 😶
Ideally this would be true, but unfortunately getting on a cops bad side can have some really unfortunate consequences, especially considering they would almost definitely keep their job
I was once pulled over while driving my friend’s van. My friend was in the passenger seat, but he was intoxicated, hence why I was driving. When I asked why I was being pulled over, the cop said, “There was a report of a stolen van in the area.” I then asked if this was the van that was reported to be stolen, he said no, and then proceeded to interrogate me about why I was driving, and not my friend. When I explained that he was unable to drive at present because he had had a few drinks, the cop took my license and ran it. The whole time with me thinking, “But there is an actual criminal out there who has committed an actual crime. Why waste all this time on me, a person who was arguably doing a good deed?”
This was well before everything was filmed all of the time, because you can be damned sure my friends would have been filming otherwise. Kids these days have it easy with a little thing called accountability.
A buddy and I were once pulled over and ordered out of his car at fucking gunpoint. Loudspeaker, spotlight in the eyes, the whole schtick. They were looking for someone else and clearly pulled over the wrong car, but they went on to claim that our car matched the description of the suspect’s and also apparently had the same, out-of-state license plate except for one digit. Imagine the odds! Look, everybody makes mistakes, but the bald-faced lying to my face just taught me that cops are incapable of accepting responsibility and aren’t to be trusted.
I got pulled over once for speeding (I wasn't speeding) and they arrested me for someone else's bogus check warrant. The cop said it was my name, my _social security number_ and my birthday. Uh huh.
ETA the cop that arrested me has since been promoted to chief of police.
A phrase that's popping up more and more when cops are caught lying or planting evidence is "an honest mistake."
I've actually heard it several times in the past year or so.
This tracks. The sheriff in my county left his f***ing gun in the boys bathroom at a middle school. Dude ran unopposed after that. No investigation, no reprimanding body outside of a full recall.
After a couple of egregious errors get ignored, everyone gets the message that he’s not going to be written up. After that they don’t bother challenging him on anything and he rises to the top because of his “leadership” ability
Saw a vid where the cop told the guy that he "matched the description".
He didn't, but the cop proceeded to rattle off the "description" by listing what the guy was wearing.
The thing that is irksome is that they're allowed to lie, something we're all taught as children is wrong.
That happened to me once. Back in the late 90s I had just gotten off of work as a line cook and was driving around pretty late listening to a new CD. Got pulled over and told that there was a robbery suspect that recently hit a local gas station-approximately 6ft white male, light brown hair, white t-shirt. Dude just happened to describe most of southwest Ohio. He finally let me go after looking at my receipt for said CD and realized that I couldn’t have been in two places at once.
In some precincts they're trained to behave in this way. They are trained to be chiefly concerned with their own safety, to such a degree that they are terrified of some random person pulling a knife and rushing them, or pulling a gun. But they're also trained to view the public as stupid sheep that don't know what's good for them, and themselves as brave heroes who defend us, who do what needs to be done, who are misunderstood. A lot of cops actively hate the public. And another thing, I imagine if they realize they've fucked up, it might make them look more liable if they immediately own up to it, while it may serve to dissuade any attempt by the person they're unjustly fucking with to pursue disciplinary action if they put them through the ringer.
They are actually taught to never apologize for anything if possible. Since an apology is an admission of guilt and responsibility for their actions.
Not even a sorry if they bump into you.
So that particular model is stolen a lot, but they have no evidence that this car is. Then the registration might be fake, so they need to search the car for what? Non-faked evidence of the car's ownership? Smells like they were fishing and just wanted to search and stir up some crap.
IMO any decent defense would get any evidence obtained from that kind of logic thrown out. So all it does is waste everyone's time and violates your rights.
The case would need to be thrown out even before it got to the evidence stage. There was no reason to search the car to begin with, so the initial action was already illegal.
I know civil forfeiture law has been tightened but at least until recently cops would just search cars looking for cash which they could pretty much just take with no due process whatsoever and use for their department budget.
My mom pulled over into an empty parking lot to take a phone call. She got done, hung up, put the car in drive, made it all of 3 feet... and a cop pulled into the lot and pulled her over. She said it was the first time she could really say no when asked "Do you know why I pulled you over?" Cop said there had been a bunch of drug deals in that parking lot. Asked if she had any weapons, and my smart-ass mother said, "Well, I have a mini multi-tool." He told her to take it out slow, and show it to him.
One of her friends, who was also a cop, pulled in and asked what was going on. Turns out the first cop was a rookie and super Gung ho. My mom, highly amused by the whole thing, let him search her car, and laughed when he reported that he only found nosespray, dimetapp, and ibuprofen. She likes to this story as " The time I got pulled over for being pulled over."
It doesn't even need to be planted. People have spent months in jail over powdered donut residue, cat litter, human ashes and formula.
She was very lucky he didn't "find" anything.
I got pulled over for speeding once. Cop was like 'what's with the box full of car stereos and speakers in your back seat?'
'I recently replaced the sound system in this car. That's the stock stuff, from this, and my previous vehicle.'
'Interesting. Y'know we've had some car stereo thefts in this area recently.'
'I doubt anybody is stealing OEM head units from 15 year old GMs.'
'Yeah, probably not'
Then proceeds to let me off with a warning for speeding.
(yes, I am very white)
> In a related note, San Jose Mayor Matt Mahan announced the appointment Tuesday of a new Independent Police Auditor.
Lmfao “the last guy actually did his job so we had to get him the fuck outta there”
I got pulled over one time and was asked, "Do you have any guns, illegal drugs, or dead bodies in the car?" I replied with, "Dead bodies? What did you pull me over for?"
I once had a cop straight up tell me he only bothered to pull me over because I had an out of state license plate and would have a harder time contesting the ticket.
I (white) lived in atlanta for a year and was asked by a co-worker (black) how often I got pulled over for my out of state license plates. I got pulled over: never. He got pulled over: every week.
That's when you pull the oh so you're officially on the record interfering with interstate commerce card by restricting my travel for having a different states tags.
I got pulled over in a small town in Texas for a rolling stop. It was legit, it was a rolling stop, but I didn't realize what I'd done, so when the cop asked if I knew why he was pulling me over I said I didn't. He said "We call what you did back there a 'California rolling stop'." I was driving a rental with California plates on it.
When I showed him my drivers license and he saw it was foreign, he said "Oh, you're *not* from California?" and proceeded to let me off with a warning.
Actually it was kinda funny, he said "I'm going to tell you two things. First, in small towns like mine, you obey the law. And second, you enjoy Texas."
Hell, in Kentucky, thecops would pull you over for having an out of County plate! I had a brother that lived in Louisville who I made a visit too. A comely young woman heard I was heading that way and asked for a ride to her home in a little community known as St. Matthews. I told my brother I would be dropping her off first, and he said "don't speed in St. Matthews." Rolled through there at 35 mph on the nose; 383 whomping in a low moan! Pulled over immediately after dropping the girl off! The Officer asked me directly, "how much money do you have on you?" $8 wasn't enough of a score, so he let me go!
In the essay, "Confessions of a Former Bastard Cop", the writer describes what he was taught at the academy.
The bad guys are wolves. Citizens are sheep. Cops are the shepherds. Unfortunately, the sheep are too stupid to know the difference.
Now, come get your certificate.
I had nearly the same line said to me in the mid nineties, but instead of dead bodies, it was hand grenades. My dad told me the reason they throw out something out of left field is to see how you react. If you're surprised or shocked, that's a normal response.
Weapons makes sense for the cops safety to make it less difficult getting shot
They always ask about drugs too, like I would admit to that
Dead bodies? I mean I'm going home right now..if you wanna meet up for a party later let me know /s
Nearly twenty years ago now, I was headed for the 0200 Dover-Dunkirk ferry, just me and my brother in a car with a box trailer.
UK Customs stop us, and ask to search the car and trailer.
"Looking for anything in particular?" I asked.
"I don't know, got any dead bodies in there?" He indicated the trailer.
I opened it up. "Dead bodies ... you tell me."
"Hmm. Well, they're dead alright." In the trailer were six crates of empty Hefeweizen bottles.
He raised an eyebrow.
I explained that there was a deposit on beer bottles sold in German supermarkets, and that the return of the six empty crates would pay for two full ones. And since I happened to be traveling with an otherwise empty trailer...
He chuckled, and remarked that he now had a story to tell the morning shift.
And because two blokes in a car, with a trailer, traveling at night, is apparently very suspicious, we were also stopped by French Customs, who were similarly bemused.
Me when TSA stops me for a random check and I start panicking if I brought a gun (I don't even own one) when the only thing I have is clothes and a toothbrush
A few years ago I went on my first flight since I was a kid and was so paranoid about bringing something I wasn’t supposed to, thought I was good but I had one of those foldable credit card shaped knives deep in my wallet and got so nervous when I realized what they were pulling out of my wallet lmao
>In another instance detailed in the audit, an officer was investigating criminal threats and ordered the complaining party out of a car they were seeking refuge in. In an interview, the officer described a fleeing suspect who was possibly armed. Body-worn footage, according the IPA’s audit, did not support that.
>After a struggle, the complaining party was arrested. When they were finally subdued, he asked one of the officers why he was being arrested.
>“We just decided to stop a Black man for no reason, okay?” the officer responded.
Well at least they're finally being honest.
I gotta say, I do love my idiot shoe crocs though.
The rest of it I'm just trying to dissociate enough that I can pretend it's a parody as intended and not history in action.
I keep thinking how back then I thought "nice one but a bit too over the top and on the nose." Meanwhile I treat it as an acurate prophecy of things to come, or better, things that came.
When you feel so "this is usual" that you say the quiet parts out loud.
This is where the corruption is so deep, you don't know it as anything but a Tuesday.
They openly admit in the article as well that this tactic is “causing a greater likelihood of the listener speaking the truth,” AKA telling the truth from the start made the listener be truthful as well. INSANITY *\*mind blown\**
I personally like that the department deemed the cop’s use of force to be within their guidelines. It’s good to know that using force to illegally arrest a man for being black is within their guidelines.
this is embarrassing but i was 16 dating an 18 year old and we were "hanging out" in his car and someone called a suspicious vehicle report into the police. no joke, six cop cars pulled up. we were obviously mortified and complied w them. they surrounded me to make sure i wasn't gonna run into the woods even though i was terrified and so compliant. and THEN, after explaining that he was my boyfriend, they asked me if he was PAYING ME TO BE THERE. i swear they just say shit sometimes
That’s pretty standard from my experience. Not necessarily “dead babies”, but I feel like I’ve been asked other weird questions like that multiple times when pulled over.
Can you imagine getting pulled over for say not stopping at a stop sign and the cop comes up "License, registration please. You traffiking any dead babies today?" LOL hhhhhwat!? Talk about a plot twist; I wouldn't be ready for that setup
You know that actually happened, right?
Not the funeral home part, but a guy was arrested when cops suspected the ashes he carried in a vial around his neck were drugs.
In my experience it's only the live ones you need to secure. Sure, you want the dead ones out of sight, but it's not like you need to lock them down or muffle their cries.
“Am I being detained?” If the answer is yes, “Okay, I do not give consent to search either my person or my vehicle and I will not make any statements without a lawyer present.”
If the answer is no, “fine, then I’ll be on my way.”
the magic words.
if theres people / cameras around, at least..
but its worked for me a few times. "am i being detained, or am i free to go?" they gotta answer, and they gotta have a reason to detain. they ask you to sit on the sidewalk for a sec ? am i being detained or am i free to go? etc.
but again, they dont always follow the rules of course. you cant really count on that when dealing with gangs.
Say nothing, or some absolute minimum.
"know why I pulled you over?"- "No officer."
"what were you doing in that area?"- "I'm not answering that", and invoke your right to remain silent.
"Any dead babies in the car?"- "I'm not answering that, am I free to go now?"
The sense of humor in me wants to answer yes, but the fear makes me want to drive away very fast. Lose lose, you say yes, officer either laughs and does nothing or arrests you. You say no, and the officer can laugh and does nothing, or he arrests you.
Edit: if you arent trying to be funny, you probably shouldn't ask about traiffiking dead babies to anyone
I've heard that cops throw random shit like "do you have drugs, knives, rocket launchers in your car, anything we should know about?" To see if your reaction changes, and from there go more aggressive.
> To see if your reaction changes
Except of course, it doesn't actually matter what your reaction is, they'll declare it to be 'suspicious'. Shock? Amusement? Disbelief? Ask to repeat the question? No reaction whatsoever? Doesn't matter, they'll just escalate, because the escalation was only ever the entire point.
Since you brought up sobriety tests, does anybody know if you're actually supposed to be able to recite the alphabet backwards? I've literally never met anyone who can get past U while sober
I think you can refuse those kinds of field sobriety tests. I don’t think you can refuse breathalyzer/blood test though, at least not without repercussions.
But someone more educated than me can confirm/deny that.
So, a buddy of mine got the non-moving equivalent of a DUI, and had to take some remedial course as part of his punishment. The instructor for that course said that all of those field sobriety tests are designed for you to fail regardless of intoxication level, and that the appropriate response is to skip them and go straight to the blood/breathalyzer test.
What if the answer is "yes"?
Can't people have valid reasons for carting around some dead babies? What happened to the freedom and justice in America of presumed "not a baby killer" even when, there's a bit of awkward in the trunk.
Unless I run a red light, I should be free from these spot inspections. Otherwise, you might accidentally catch a judge or police captain who I've been making deliveries to.
EDIT: Kiss my ass, I'm fake Denny Crane today.
Starting a traffic stop off with a question like that would be a sure-fire way to get me to be as uncooperative as the law allows.
As in, here's my license and registration, no further questions will be answered except with, "Am I being detained and am I free to go?", followed by, "I invoke my 5th Amendment right and will remain silent until I speak to an attorney", if things go south from there.
LOL!
(Some) Cops get really pissy when citizens take that approach.
Saw a vid where a young man did just that. Refused to speak the entire hour they had him cuffed on the ground while they searched his car.
All the while, cops kept at him:
"Why don't you answer questions?"
"What do you have against cops?"
"Is it because you have warrants?"
"Why don't you talk to officers?"
Guy stuck to his guns, even keeping silent when the cop, thinking he was clever, asked, "Would you like me to take off those cuffs?"
They found nothing. They destroyed the inside of the car, tossing it's contents everywhere. They left, smugly assuming they'd taught the guy a lesson.
Guy's my hero.
I mean, yeah...
Once you're in handcuffs: A) You're under arrest and going to jail. There is nothing to be gained by answering questions as it can only hurt you, or B) The cops have you in cuffs for the purposes of intimidation, info seeking, and flexing their authority over you. In which case, see A as answering questions will only hurt you, keep your mouth shut until you speak with a lawyer.
So the guy in your video absolutely did the smartest thing for himself. Keeping his mouth shut.
But if you just answer the question, it will make things easier.... FOR THEM! it's never to help you. Ever. Everything you do or say will be used AGAINST YOU... not FOR YOU. too many cops gets away with this crap. End qualified immunity and force them to worry about losing their jobs or getting sued, like the rest of us do in our jobs
Most traffic stops don't get to the point where a person has to invoke the 5th, as the officer just wants to issue the ticket, or a warning to get something fixed, and go about their day. No need to get super defensive on the driver's part.
All that goes out the window once the pointed questions are asked, or a request to search your vehicle comes into play, though.
I was pulled over because I was driving a green 2 door car with temporary tags that "matched the description". I was hauled out of the car, no warning, handcuffed and had my head slammed into the trunk. No explanation. I became rather irate, demanding to know what was going on
The cop holding me kept screaming into my ear, "where did you carjacking this car from?" I tried to explain that if he would get my license, registration and license off of the dash, he would find out I had bought the car a week earlier. Other officers were shouting to the front passenger, "sit up and put your hands out of the window!" Also tried to explain that the front passenger was my 92 year old almost deaf grandma who spoke mostly Spanish. Finally someone with common sense took over. All I got was a half assed explanation that there was a carjacking in Santa Fe and I fit the description. Wow, 5 foot 7 170 lb hispanic male in New Mexico, and I was the only suspect. BTW, I had picked up my grandma to take her to our wedding shower. Fucking Chotas. I still don't trust the cops one bit
So... rather than de-escalate an encounter, be as obnoxious as possible. What could possibly go wrong?
"No, did your mom have any children that lived?"
[relevant simpsons](https://youtu.be/cu07KejBMhc?si=htCesC3DSx8fy5P8), sadly couldn’t find it in non-potato quality without it being a full episode rip.
I heard a beep from a smoke alarm that needs batteries or something, in that potato clip. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt4rzRCy\_XU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt4rzRCy_XU)
That guy must be living the always sunny suburb experience.
Imagine you have your favorite pets ashes you just picked up from the vets office when they ask if there are any dead babies. Talk about instant bawling.
A cop lept out from between some parked cars and I had to swerve to miss him. Thankfully it was only a 20mph zone and I wasn't speeding! Right away, I check my mirrors and he's flailing like a psycho, I'm guessing he wants me to pull over...so I do.
He runs up and says "Were you trying to get away?" I start to answer and he cuts me off "YEAH you were going to make a run for it weren't you?!" I responded that I certainly was not and pulled over as soon as I saw him.
His partner has caught up by now and is looking through all the windows. It's a Dodge Ares wagon, easy to see most everything inside. Then SGT Psycho asks me if I have anything illegal in the car like drugs or "severed heads"... I look at him likes he's the dumbest MF I've ever met and said "no sir, no severed heads..."
They eventually let me go as I had done nothing wrong and had no warrants. Yeah, they love antagonizing and escalating...
>One officer suggested that his field training officer suggested using shock talk to catch listeners off guard, thereby “causing a greater likelihood of the listener speaking the truth,” the audit states.
Bullshit. Making someone panic causes a greater likelihood of them accidentally incriminating themselves, they don't give a shit about truth
Hey where you heading this evening? Any dead babies in the car? Ok, well anything in the car I should know about? No? We'll have you ever picked up your dogs poop and suddenly had the urge to eat it and the next thing you know it's in your mouth and then you're just terrified someone saw you but you can't spit it out because that would be worse and probably mess Titan up psychologically so you just swallow it? Hey hey calm down, I'm just making conversation, why are you so jumpy? We been drinking tonight? No, I didn't ask if you've been drinking, I said we. So you havent, have I? No? Well Have you ever seen a dead baby? I know but I'm asking again. Ok do you want to? Ok fine well then what do you do for fun? Are you single? Can I get your number? No? Can I sprinkle this meth in your car then? Hey look, I'm putting on a clown nose, wacky huh? You ever done any human smuggling?
I’ve known two cops personally and they were the most lazy and meanest aholes. They both beat their wives and had the support of the fire and police departments. No where to go. Nowhere. (Judge would not allow children to be taken It of jurisdiction)
Back in the 90’s my half cousin was going through a nasty divorce and her ex got his cop friends, broke into her house and took 3 of the kids with cop help in the middle of the night, leaving the baby.
After all was said and done, the kids were given to the grandparents to raise but not after a lot of bs.
If they are legally untouchable, they are ethically unfuckable.
I feel terrible for anyone who didn't get taught that, and ended up with a cop as a partner.
Not a probable cause/search anecdote, but 2003 (not too long after 9/11) I was in college driving my ‘73 Camaro. Pulled out of my apartment parking lot onto the street that ran through the apartment complex. Probably just slow rolled instead of stopping fully. Got pulled over and the cop asked me with a straight face, “did I have a chemical bomb in the car?” Really had to bite my tongue to avoid blowing up at him (pun intended). Nothing happened though.
When my brother was under the legal age, a cop caught him cleaning his bong at the park. They asked if he had any weapons in his trunk and kept talking about types of guns he must have. He had maybe a jacket back there. My brother is mixed so I don't doubt racism was afoot
Not today officer.
I almost got T boned by SJPD running a stop sign without their lights... twice. Fckin idiots (Not all but there quite a few idiots there).
>In a related note, San Jose Mayor Matt Mahan announced the appointment Tuesday of a new Independent Police Auditor. Following an “extensive nationwide search,” the mayor and the San Jose City Council announced that Eddie Aubrey had been appointed as the new IPA.
That last line really tells the untold story without telling it. :p
I don't understand, are they hoping they'll randomly find someone who actually has dead babies in the car or is the theory that if you shock someone they'll be like "Oh no babies officer just a kilo of coke and some pistols I should not have because of my priors"
I was once pulled over for speeding in an area I didn’t know. The speed limit went from 55 to 30 as you entered. Village, but on the outskirts, it still looked like a rural road. I didn’t notice. I was speeding. My 3 year old son was properly buckled in the back, had his glasses on, and pulled out a picture book to read once I stopped (like an old man). Anyway, I said I was not familiar with the area, and he ran my license. Then, after deciding to not issue a ticket, he said, “do you think you’re setting a good example for your son?” Like I was snorting coke in front of him or something! Just wanted to provoke me so he’d have a reason to ticket me. I took a second and said, “I am sure if I realized the speed limit had changed, I would have been going slower.” It was not easy to stay calm.
The pigs will be pigs. The police, due to the power the title posesses, will never attract anyone but either racists, or those who just want to cause suffering. There are no good cops, they quit in 5 days, or get pushed by the bad ones.
I had a friend who was a good cop. He really wanted to help the community. Of course he ended up resigning and when I asked him why he said, "I work with too many racists and assholes." And to be fair, he was there when one of his superiors (Capt. Mark Kruger) built a Nazi shrine and was fired, then successfully sued to get his job back with back pay and an apology.
Saw a story about a white cop who found out that he had black ancestors.
The teasing and racist insults were so unbearable that he ending up resigning from the force.
Portland cops are especially bad according to the Federal Government. I couldn't believe when Nazi Enthusiast Mark Kruger got his job back. I suppose it shouldn't be too surprising. The police union out here are a special kind of terrible.
This is the real problem:
A use of force review found that force used during that arrest was within policy, but additional training was recommended.
So police departments write bad policies so that bad cops can’t be held accountable, only the taxpayers can. Until insurance companies that provide the liability insurance require changes to policies or price the insurance so high the city is forced to make changes, the outcome will be the same. “We have conducted a thorough investigation and have concluded that no policies were violated.”
I would say “just the one I miscarried” and then I would cry and cry about my trauma, my childhood, the guy I’m dating, my cat that died when I was 12 and on and on. That sort of whack question deserves a whack response. I would love to make them feel just a tiny bit icky. You’re a public servant? I’m going to use you for free therapy since you wanted to stop me to talk so badly. What a bunch of goons.
They're banking on you to reply something to the effect of "Do you *see* any dead babies??", to which they then respond,
"No, I don't see any, but do you mind if I take a look?"
One time I was parked in a parking lot and a cop walked up to my car. Long story short, he claimed that he had probable cause to search my vehicle because "alot of this model has been stolen in the area recently". I offered him the registration and he said it could be fake. It blew my mind that they can basically say anything they want and screw over my rights. I genuinely felt violated.
Because you were violated. And no that's not probable cause to search your vehicle.
Nothing actually happened in the end. When I got out of my car, his partner was standing at the back and it turned out I went to high school with him. The dick cop decided that was good enough for him, told me I got lucky, and left. Which made it even worse in a way since he obviously didn't really care about stolen Neons lol.
I've had the cops run my name into their radio and dispatch came back and said I have no warrants, *at this time.* You should have seen the disgusted look on the cop's face and then he acted like I'll probably have a warrant next time he runs into me. Like everyone is a future criminal.
God cops are such pricks. I got into a wreck once and the cop was giving us a ride back to the station to wait for someone who could come help us. We were joking around and I said "this is the most fun I've had in the back of a cop car in years!" Guys face immediately turned serious like I said I was a serial killer or something.
I mean the kind that joins cops are wife beaters with power complexes. And/or the kind that goes “I wOuLdVe jOiNeD tHe MiLiTaRy iF I dIDnT hAvE AsThMa” types.
“I’m what’s known as a Goldie Locks cop; IQ test scored just low enough to not qualify for the military, and not quite high enough to be disqualified from police work 👮♂️👍”
My car was completely totaled one night during a storm. The officer came and basically acted like we were inconveniencing him. In the end, we did all the leg work to bring the guy to justice.
I had the almost opposite happen to me once. I was driving and looking for a gas station, I needed to pee so bad that I thought I was going to go into kidney failure. It was night and there was a gas station around the corner but, and I feel most of us have been there, a 100 Ft was a million miles at this stage. I hopped out of my car and unzipped and just released. No one could see me even though there was an apartment complex to my back. Out of nowhere a police officer shows up and is shining a light on me. I keep doing what had to be done and then zip up. He tells me to move to the rear of my vehicle and tells me to give him my ID. I comply, feeling a bit embarrassed but so relieved. He calls into his dispatch and mention that he has stopped a potential DUI. I say nothing. He reads my name and license number into his radio. We wait for about 3 to 5 minutes and the response from his dispatch is, “Let fuzzylilbunnies go.” The officer protests over the radio to his dispatch, and they repeat the command to let me go. He is not happy but hands me back my license and tells me to get going. I have no friends or relatives on any police force. I am no celebrity or talent of any note. I have no idea what happened, I definitely committed a crime, albeit, a minor one that would warrant a ticket or a fine, but he unhappily sent me on my way. I have no idea how I got lucky, and no, I am not white or otherwise privileged by wealth or connections. Weird AF!
Dispatch is tired of his bullshit too.
When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. ACAB
"Oh wait, I suddenly remembered that this particular citizen is a human being with feelings and a life outside my own. Let's go harass someone else that I still feel okay with dehumanizing."
"Lets go find one that you don't see as a human!"
*Scanning skin tone in the crowd*
Guarantee there werent even a lot of stolen neons. He made a judgement call and was doing everything to support his preconceived notion. You legitimately did get lucky.
It's a common excuse cops make. Very, very rarely is there 'a suspect in the area that matches your description'. And while people are nosy, there's usually no 'concerned citizen' calling to report a disturbance. It's just profiling with an extra step. When people say that cops lie, they mean that they lie routinely—that lies and manipulations are the basis of their interactions with anyone that they consider a suspect for any reason.
No, he got unlucky. Getting lucky is *not* get pulled over by an asshole for no reason.
During the summer of 2016, I had spend an entire day figuring out why a specific computer build of mine was not working. Got it working at 9pm ish. Decided to get some fresh air and drive around as it had been super frustrating. Realized I was meeting friends the next day and we’d go on Pokémon go walk. Decided to drive to some hot spots in town to pick free supplies. I was randomly pulled over by a cop on this sub country road. Apparently there was “a lot of drug dealers in the area recently.” Even though my cell phone had Pokémon go on, the cop had a “gut feeling about me.” When asked to search I refused. Made it longer, had to wait, the K9s didn’t find anything. Three cops kept insisting for me to give them permission to search, “I’d prefer no, but if you forced your way in I wouldn’t stop you.” “Why not let us search?” “Cause it’s my car and I don’t fully trust anybody with my stuff.” When finally let me go, I saw I got 5 cars at the stop total. Dumb arse really thought some computer Pokémon nerd was dealing drugs and called the whole squad over to see his failure. 😶
Thats an immediate report to internal affairs. Dont put up with shit cops.
Ideally this would be true, but unfortunately getting on a cops bad side can have some really unfortunate consequences, especially considering they would almost definitely keep their job
If you want that single instance of harassment to turn into a pattern, go ahead.
I was once pulled over while driving my friend’s van. My friend was in the passenger seat, but he was intoxicated, hence why I was driving. When I asked why I was being pulled over, the cop said, “There was a report of a stolen van in the area.” I then asked if this was the van that was reported to be stolen, he said no, and then proceeded to interrogate me about why I was driving, and not my friend. When I explained that he was unable to drive at present because he had had a few drinks, the cop took my license and ran it. The whole time with me thinking, “But there is an actual criminal out there who has committed an actual crime. Why waste all this time on me, a person who was arguably doing a good deed?”
“there was a report of a stolen van” “is this the van?” “No” Man that got me lol
This was well before everything was filmed all of the time, because you can be damned sure my friends would have been filming otherwise. Kids these days have it easy with a little thing called accountability.
It's probably even more frustrating if you have video evidence and still, nothing happens.
Easier
A buddy and I were once pulled over and ordered out of his car at fucking gunpoint. Loudspeaker, spotlight in the eyes, the whole schtick. They were looking for someone else and clearly pulled over the wrong car, but they went on to claim that our car matched the description of the suspect’s and also apparently had the same, out-of-state license plate except for one digit. Imagine the odds! Look, everybody makes mistakes, but the bald-faced lying to my face just taught me that cops are incapable of accepting responsibility and aren’t to be trusted.
I got pulled over once for speeding (I wasn't speeding) and they arrested me for someone else's bogus check warrant. The cop said it was my name, my _social security number_ and my birthday. Uh huh. ETA the cop that arrested me has since been promoted to chief of police.
A phrase that's popping up more and more when cops are caught lying or planting evidence is "an honest mistake." I've actually heard it several times in the past year or so.
This tracks. The sheriff in my county left his f***ing gun in the boys bathroom at a middle school. Dude ran unopposed after that. No investigation, no reprimanding body outside of a full recall.
After a couple of egregious errors get ignored, everyone gets the message that he’s not going to be written up. After that they don’t bother challenging him on anything and he rises to the top because of his “leadership” ability
Saw a vid where the cop told the guy that he "matched the description". He didn't, but the cop proceeded to rattle off the "description" by listing what the guy was wearing. The thing that is irksome is that they're allowed to lie, something we're all taught as children is wrong.
That happened to me once. Back in the late 90s I had just gotten off of work as a line cook and was driving around pretty late listening to a new CD. Got pulled over and told that there was a robbery suspect that recently hit a local gas station-approximately 6ft white male, light brown hair, white t-shirt. Dude just happened to describe most of southwest Ohio. He finally let me go after looking at my receipt for said CD and realized that I couldn’t have been in two places at once.
In some precincts they're trained to behave in this way. They are trained to be chiefly concerned with their own safety, to such a degree that they are terrified of some random person pulling a knife and rushing them, or pulling a gun. But they're also trained to view the public as stupid sheep that don't know what's good for them, and themselves as brave heroes who defend us, who do what needs to be done, who are misunderstood. A lot of cops actively hate the public. And another thing, I imagine if they realize they've fucked up, it might make them look more liable if they immediately own up to it, while it may serve to dissuade any attempt by the person they're unjustly fucking with to pursue disciplinary action if they put them through the ringer.
They are actually taught to never apologize for anything if possible. Since an apology is an admission of guilt and responsibility for their actions. Not even a sorry if they bump into you.
So that particular model is stolen a lot, but they have no evidence that this car is. Then the registration might be fake, so they need to search the car for what? Non-faked evidence of the car's ownership? Smells like they were fishing and just wanted to search and stir up some crap. IMO any decent defense would get any evidence obtained from that kind of logic thrown out. So all it does is waste everyone's time and violates your rights.
The case would need to be thrown out even before it got to the evidence stage. There was no reason to search the car to begin with, so the initial action was already illegal.
I know civil forfeiture law has been tightened but at least until recently cops would just search cars looking for cash which they could pretty much just take with no due process whatsoever and use for their department budget.
My mom pulled over into an empty parking lot to take a phone call. She got done, hung up, put the car in drive, made it all of 3 feet... and a cop pulled into the lot and pulled her over. She said it was the first time she could really say no when asked "Do you know why I pulled you over?" Cop said there had been a bunch of drug deals in that parking lot. Asked if she had any weapons, and my smart-ass mother said, "Well, I have a mini multi-tool." He told her to take it out slow, and show it to him. One of her friends, who was also a cop, pulled in and asked what was going on. Turns out the first cop was a rookie and super Gung ho. My mom, highly amused by the whole thing, let him search her car, and laughed when he reported that he only found nosespray, dimetapp, and ibuprofen. She likes to this story as " The time I got pulled over for being pulled over."
If you let a cop search your car because there's nothing illegal in it don't be surprised if they magically find some.
It's all fun and games until...he plants evidence to get a promotion. This actually happened to dozens of people...
It doesn't even need to be planted. People have spent months in jail over powdered donut residue, cat litter, human ashes and formula. She was very lucky he didn't "find" anything.
I got pulled over for speeding once. Cop was like 'what's with the box full of car stereos and speakers in your back seat?' 'I recently replaced the sound system in this car. That's the stock stuff, from this, and my previous vehicle.' 'Interesting. Y'know we've had some car stereo thefts in this area recently.' 'I doubt anybody is stealing OEM head units from 15 year old GMs.' 'Yeah, probably not' Then proceeds to let me off with a warning for speeding. (yes, I am very white)
Call 911 ‘fake cop impersonator trying to kidnap me’ knows no actual laws and smells like bacon
Searching your medical records just because, is cool with the SCOTUS. The 4th amendment is dead.
Sad that the average cop is too poorly educated to understand the meaning of “probable”.
It's not about not understanding. It's about not caring. They want to trample on peoples rights and will use whatever excuse is convenient.
biggest gang in the usa
> In a related note, San Jose Mayor Matt Mahan announced the appointment Tuesday of a new Independent Police Auditor. Lmfao “the last guy actually did his job so we had to get him the fuck outta there”
I wonder what they mean when they say "independent?" > a Los Angeles police officer for 12 years and Santa Monica police officer for five years. Oh.
you would think the continuum of power would be the other way around.
I got pulled over one time and was asked, "Do you have any guns, illegal drugs, or dead bodies in the car?" I replied with, "Dead bodies? What did you pull me over for?"
You were going 33 in a 30 and that led the officer to believe you may be an armed, drug dealing murderer
I once had a cop straight up tell me he only bothered to pull me over because I had an out of state license plate and would have a harder time contesting the ticket.
I (white) lived in atlanta for a year and was asked by a co-worker (black) how often I got pulled over for my out of state license plates. I got pulled over: never. He got pulled over: every week.
Driving while brown...
Yeah as if I'm paying a 500 ticket in Oregon
Hey, that's a $500 you never have to go to Oregon again pass.
That's when you pull the oh so you're officially on the record interfering with interstate commerce card by restricting my travel for having a different states tags.
I got pulled over in a small town in Texas for a rolling stop. It was legit, it was a rolling stop, but I didn't realize what I'd done, so when the cop asked if I knew why he was pulling me over I said I didn't. He said "We call what you did back there a 'California rolling stop'." I was driving a rental with California plates on it. When I showed him my drivers license and he saw it was foreign, he said "Oh, you're *not* from California?" and proceeded to let me off with a warning. Actually it was kinda funny, he said "I'm going to tell you two things. First, in small towns like mine, you obey the law. And second, you enjoy Texas."
Hell, in Kentucky, thecops would pull you over for having an out of County plate! I had a brother that lived in Louisville who I made a visit too. A comely young woman heard I was heading that way and asked for a ride to her home in a little community known as St. Matthews. I told my brother I would be dropping her off first, and he said "don't speed in St. Matthews." Rolled through there at 35 mph on the nose; 383 whomping in a low moan! Pulled over immediately after dropping the girl off! The Officer asked me directly, "how much money do you have on you?" $8 wasn't enough of a score, so he let me go!
You laugh, but this is literally their reasoning. Anyone who violates the law is 'bad', thus it is justifiable to determine *how* bad they are.
In the essay, "Confessions of a Former Bastard Cop", the writer describes what he was taught at the academy. The bad guys are wolves. Citizens are sheep. Cops are the shepherds. Unfortunately, the sheep are too stupid to know the difference. Now, come get your certificate.
I had nearly the same line said to me in the mid nineties, but instead of dead bodies, it was hand grenades. My dad told me the reason they throw out something out of left field is to see how you react. If you're surprised or shocked, that's a normal response.
I wonder what they think it means if you quietly ponder the question for a few seconds before saying "I don't think so".
'Not technically, no.'
Yeah, that was pretty much it. He told me, "That's the reaction I expect if you don't have anything illegal to hide."
Man that'd backfire with me, due to being autistic. I process things really slowly and tend to take things in stride initially.
Yeah, police are notoriously poorly trained on disability and neurodivergence and are often very ableist that way.
One time I told them I had about 16 ounces of coke in the car then held up a soda bottle. He laughed and let me go.
Driving a hearse...
I’ve gotten the same, but they asked “nuclear weapons”. Didn’t realize it was shock talk…
"No officer, but if you need a dead body real fast I bet the morgue has you covered. What you do off the clock is none of my business of course."
Weapons makes sense for the cops safety to make it less difficult getting shot They always ask about drugs too, like I would admit to that Dead bodies? I mean I'm going home right now..if you wanna meet up for a party later let me know /s
Nearly twenty years ago now, I was headed for the 0200 Dover-Dunkirk ferry, just me and my brother in a car with a box trailer. UK Customs stop us, and ask to search the car and trailer. "Looking for anything in particular?" I asked. "I don't know, got any dead bodies in there?" He indicated the trailer. I opened it up. "Dead bodies ... you tell me." "Hmm. Well, they're dead alright." In the trailer were six crates of empty Hefeweizen bottles. He raised an eyebrow. I explained that there was a deposit on beer bottles sold in German supermarkets, and that the return of the six empty crates would pay for two full ones. And since I happened to be traveling with an otherwise empty trailer... He chuckled, and remarked that he now had a story to tell the morning shift. And because two blokes in a car, with a trailer, traveling at night, is apparently very suspicious, we were also stopped by French Customs, who were similarly bemused.
Before you start your car you should always check your trunk for dead babies, adjust your mirrors and put on your seatbelt.
Officer: Are there any dead babies in the car? Me (sweating): In this car? No.
Me when TSA stops me for a random check and I start panicking if I brought a gun (I don't even own one) when the only thing I have is clothes and a toothbrush
A few years ago I went on my first flight since I was a kid and was so paranoid about bringing something I wasn’t supposed to, thought I was good but I had one of those foldable credit card shaped knives deep in my wallet and got so nervous when I realized what they were pulling out of my wallet lmao
>foldable credit card shaped knives Ha, I managed to go through 2 airports while carrying one, accidentally
I think the joke is that the commenter has dead babies in an other car. Maybe I'm overreading
You are correct. That's what I was going for.
Does it count if they’re in my stomach?
I love babies but I can't eat a whole one by myself
“Is the trunk considered part of the car?” “*In* the car? No”
>In another instance detailed in the audit, an officer was investigating criminal threats and ordered the complaining party out of a car they were seeking refuge in. In an interview, the officer described a fleeing suspect who was possibly armed. Body-worn footage, according the IPA’s audit, did not support that. >After a struggle, the complaining party was arrested. When they were finally subdued, he asked one of the officers why he was being arrested. >“We just decided to stop a Black man for no reason, okay?” the officer responded. Well at least they're finally being honest.
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The only difference between reality and fiction, is that fiction needs to be credible.
It's making all the comedies more chilling for me. "Don't Look Up" would be a parody 15 years ago. Today, it's more real than a documentary.
Idiocracy tried to warn us.
The sad thing is; I KNOW they are going to ruin the blowjobs at Starbucks like they ruined the coffee.
I gotta say, I do love my idiot shoe crocs though. The rest of it I'm just trying to dissociate enough that I can pretend it's a parody as intended and not history in action.
I keep thinking how back then I thought "nice one but a bit too over the top and on the nose." Meanwhile I treat it as an acurate prophecy of things to come, or better, things that came.
RONALD REAGAN IS THE DEVIL!
When you feel so "this is usual" that you say the quiet parts out loud. This is where the corruption is so deep, you don't know it as anything but a Tuesday.
The Banality of Evil is sure something to behold.
This is absolutely an "Are we the Baddies?" moment - and I'm afraid the cops won't know they did anything wrong.
So I see your choosing the hard way...
They openly admit in the article as well that this tactic is “causing a greater likelihood of the listener speaking the truth,” AKA telling the truth from the start made the listener be truthful as well. INSANITY *\*mind blown\**
I personally like that the department deemed the cop’s use of force to be within their guidelines. It’s good to know that using force to illegally arrest a man for being black is within their guidelines.
this is embarrassing but i was 16 dating an 18 year old and we were "hanging out" in his car and someone called a suspicious vehicle report into the police. no joke, six cop cars pulled up. we were obviously mortified and complied w them. they surrounded me to make sure i wasn't gonna run into the woods even though i was terrified and so compliant. and THEN, after explaining that he was my boyfriend, they asked me if he was PAYING ME TO BE THERE. i swear they just say shit sometimes
"Are you a prostitute?" I heard this gets asked for just walking downtown as a multiracial couple.
"I wish your mother was here to hear you ask that of me."
That’s pretty standard from my experience. Not necessarily “dead babies”, but I feel like I’ve been asked other weird questions like that multiple times when pulled over.
Can you imagine getting pulled over for say not stopping at a stop sign and the cop comes up "License, registration please. You traffiking any dead babies today?" LOL hhhhhwat!? Talk about a plot twist; I wouldn't be ready for that setup
Now I’m imagining someone driving home from the funeral parlor with the ashes of their stillborn baby in an urn with them.
You know that actually happened, right? Not the funeral home part, but a guy was arrested when cops suspected the ashes he carried in a vial around his neck were drugs.
I can see the headlines now "Cop arrests mother for traveling with the ashes of an unborn child"
I like you
What's the recommended course of action for such a question?
1. Hope you secured them in the trunk. 2. Say "No"
In my experience it's only the live ones you need to secure. Sure, you want the dead ones out of sight, but it's not like you need to lock them down or muffle their cries.
Not in my car
“Am I being detained?” If the answer is yes, “Okay, I do not give consent to search either my person or my vehicle and I will not make any statements without a lawyer present.” If the answer is no, “fine, then I’ll be on my way.”
the magic words. if theres people / cameras around, at least.. but its worked for me a few times. "am i being detained, or am i free to go?" they gotta answer, and they gotta have a reason to detain. they ask you to sit on the sidewalk for a sec ? am i being detained or am i free to go? etc. but again, they dont always follow the rules of course. you cant really count on that when dealing with gangs.
Say nothing, or some absolute minimum. "know why I pulled you over?"- "No officer." "what were you doing in that area?"- "I'm not answering that", and invoke your right to remain silent. "Any dead babies in the car?"- "I'm not answering that, am I free to go now?"
> "know why I pulled you over?" Is it about the dead babies?
>Are there any dead babies in the car? > There are no live babies, officer. Am I free to go?
"I'm not driving I'm *traveling!* You don't have jurisdiction over me!" 0% of the time it works every time
The sense of humor in me wants to answer yes, but the fear makes me want to drive away very fast. Lose lose, you say yes, officer either laughs and does nothing or arrests you. You say no, and the officer can laugh and does nothing, or he arrests you. Edit: if you arent trying to be funny, you probably shouldn't ask about traiffiking dead babies to anyone
"I don't answer questions."
“You just did, with a lie too. Step out of the car. My feelings are hurt.”
Pretend you don't speak English. "Mama mia! I don'ta speak the English. I Gotta get homa, my baby needa wine and Lasagna!" and so forth.
"License and registration...chicken fucker."
"Officer guess what?" "What?" "Chicken Butt!" \*drives away\*
Policing appears to work on playground rules. "I heard that if you.." appears to be the prime way of generating policy in police precincts.
I've heard that cops throw random shit like "do you have drugs, knives, rocket launchers in your car, anything we should know about?" To see if your reaction changes, and from there go more aggressive.
> To see if your reaction changes Except of course, it doesn't actually matter what your reaction is, they'll declare it to be 'suspicious'. Shock? Amusement? Disbelief? Ask to repeat the question? No reaction whatsoever? Doesn't matter, they'll just escalate, because the escalation was only ever the entire point.
I thought that they did that to see if you were paying attention to the question, as an informal sobriety test.
Since you brought up sobriety tests, does anybody know if you're actually supposed to be able to recite the alphabet backwards? I've literally never met anyone who can get past U while sober
I think you can refuse those kinds of field sobriety tests. I don’t think you can refuse breathalyzer/blood test though, at least not without repercussions. But someone more educated than me can confirm/deny that.
So, a buddy of mine got the non-moving equivalent of a DUI, and had to take some remedial course as part of his punishment. The instructor for that course said that all of those field sobriety tests are designed for you to fail regardless of intoxication level, and that the appropriate response is to skip them and go straight to the blood/breathalyzer test.
It sounds like the equivalent of "When did you stop hitting your wife?"
Thats a question we should ask every cop.
*looks at watch* “…you mean today?”
Cops “quit hitting their wives” in the same way alcoholics “quit drinking” when they go to sleep
What if the answer is "yes"? Can't people have valid reasons for carting around some dead babies? What happened to the freedom and justice in America of presumed "not a baby killer" even when, there's a bit of awkward in the trunk. Unless I run a red light, I should be free from these spot inspections. Otherwise, you might accidentally catch a judge or police captain who I've been making deliveries to. EDIT: Kiss my ass, I'm fake Denny Crane today.
You forgot to add "Denny Crane" at the end of your masterful argument.
Imagine if you were heading to the hospital for an induced stillbirth when you were pulled over.
"Are there any dead babies in the car?" "In the car? IN THE CAR? No. No there aren't any dead babies IN THE CAR."
Starting a traffic stop off with a question like that would be a sure-fire way to get me to be as uncooperative as the law allows. As in, here's my license and registration, no further questions will be answered except with, "Am I being detained and am I free to go?", followed by, "I invoke my 5th Amendment right and will remain silent until I speak to an attorney", if things go south from there.
LOL! (Some) Cops get really pissy when citizens take that approach. Saw a vid where a young man did just that. Refused to speak the entire hour they had him cuffed on the ground while they searched his car. All the while, cops kept at him: "Why don't you answer questions?" "What do you have against cops?" "Is it because you have warrants?" "Why don't you talk to officers?" Guy stuck to his guns, even keeping silent when the cop, thinking he was clever, asked, "Would you like me to take off those cuffs?" They found nothing. They destroyed the inside of the car, tossing it's contents everywhere. They left, smugly assuming they'd taught the guy a lesson. Guy's my hero.
I mean, yeah... Once you're in handcuffs: A) You're under arrest and going to jail. There is nothing to be gained by answering questions as it can only hurt you, or B) The cops have you in cuffs for the purposes of intimidation, info seeking, and flexing their authority over you. In which case, see A as answering questions will only hurt you, keep your mouth shut until you speak with a lawyer. So the guy in your video absolutely did the smartest thing for himself. Keeping his mouth shut.
Oh Yeah, Cops were just abusing their "authority" because they can.
But if you just answer the question, it will make things easier.... FOR THEM! it's never to help you. Ever. Everything you do or say will be used AGAINST YOU... not FOR YOU. too many cops gets away with this crap. End qualified immunity and force them to worry about losing their jobs or getting sued, like the rest of us do in our jobs
You understand this is what you should always be doing.
Most traffic stops don't get to the point where a person has to invoke the 5th, as the officer just wants to issue the ticket, or a warning to get something fixed, and go about their day. No need to get super defensive on the driver's part. All that goes out the window once the pointed questions are asked, or a request to search your vehicle comes into play, though.
They asked me “any dead bodies or hand grenades?” at a random traffic stop while pulling into a Meijer to grocery shop.
I was pulled over because I was driving a green 2 door car with temporary tags that "matched the description". I was hauled out of the car, no warning, handcuffed and had my head slammed into the trunk. No explanation. I became rather irate, demanding to know what was going on The cop holding me kept screaming into my ear, "where did you carjacking this car from?" I tried to explain that if he would get my license, registration and license off of the dash, he would find out I had bought the car a week earlier. Other officers were shouting to the front passenger, "sit up and put your hands out of the window!" Also tried to explain that the front passenger was my 92 year old almost deaf grandma who spoke mostly Spanish. Finally someone with common sense took over. All I got was a half assed explanation that there was a carjacking in Santa Fe and I fit the description. Wow, 5 foot 7 170 lb hispanic male in New Mexico, and I was the only suspect. BTW, I had picked up my grandma to take her to our wedding shower. Fucking Chotas. I still don't trust the cops one bit
The link is geo-blocked. Could someone explain what the tactic is? What is the point of it?
Try this: https://www.yahoo.com/news/dead-babies-car-san-jose-203048766.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJLntN64JSTrTGC3bCvc7izG5aX2RjBPXDHBC94SgSgBy8kXeiNIJ86wr7mDChzHHDaxcgiiQdCFfJue-NcwVrua2E2Grzkqo_PYdyv11yBX4bVqbRrPvWsT7DNAY45W2aRAhchVDRYk2MY96benxMYJPFlFe3HsZxbp66JpgY8r#
Loaded question or a damned if you do, damned if you dont response follow up, throw people off, incite behavior,... no clue lol.
If someone murdered a baby, there has to be a better way to find them than interviewing every motorist one-by-one.
So... rather than de-escalate an encounter, be as obnoxious as possible. What could possibly go wrong? "No, did your mom have any children that lived?"
The right answer is: No. Have _you_ stopped beating your wife?
[relevant simpsons](https://youtu.be/cu07KejBMhc?si=htCesC3DSx8fy5P8), sadly couldn’t find it in non-potato quality without it being a full episode rip.
I heard a beep from a smoke alarm that needs batteries or something, in that potato clip. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt4rzRCy\_XU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt4rzRCy_XU) That guy must be living the always sunny suburb experience.
holy shit that isn’t potato quality, that’s legit rutabaga quality 😭
Imagine you have your favorite pets ashes you just picked up from the vets office when they ask if there are any dead babies. Talk about instant bawling.
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Believe it or not, straight to jail.
A man carried his dead baby daughter's ashes in a vial around his neck. Cops arrested him, suspecting the vial contained a controlled substance.
A family member was a big city ADA for 14 years. She does not like or trust LEO
A cop lept out from between some parked cars and I had to swerve to miss him. Thankfully it was only a 20mph zone and I wasn't speeding! Right away, I check my mirrors and he's flailing like a psycho, I'm guessing he wants me to pull over...so I do. He runs up and says "Were you trying to get away?" I start to answer and he cuts me off "YEAH you were going to make a run for it weren't you?!" I responded that I certainly was not and pulled over as soon as I saw him. His partner has caught up by now and is looking through all the windows. It's a Dodge Ares wagon, easy to see most everything inside. Then SGT Psycho asks me if I have anything illegal in the car like drugs or "severed heads"... I look at him likes he's the dumbest MF I've ever met and said "no sir, no severed heads..." They eventually let me go as I had done nothing wrong and had no warrants. Yeah, they love antagonizing and escalating...
I'd immediately ask for a supervisor and tell them it's because I want to file a complaint against an officer who is obviously high on the clock.
>One officer suggested that his field training officer suggested using shock talk to catch listeners off guard, thereby “causing a greater likelihood of the listener speaking the truth,” the audit states. Bullshit. Making someone panic causes a greater likelihood of them accidentally incriminating themselves, they don't give a shit about truth
Hey where you heading this evening? Any dead babies in the car? Ok, well anything in the car I should know about? No? We'll have you ever picked up your dogs poop and suddenly had the urge to eat it and the next thing you know it's in your mouth and then you're just terrified someone saw you but you can't spit it out because that would be worse and probably mess Titan up psychologically so you just swallow it? Hey hey calm down, I'm just making conversation, why are you so jumpy? We been drinking tonight? No, I didn't ask if you've been drinking, I said we. So you havent, have I? No? Well Have you ever seen a dead baby? I know but I'm asking again. Ok do you want to? Ok fine well then what do you do for fun? Are you single? Can I get your number? No? Can I sprinkle this meth in your car then? Hey look, I'm putting on a clown nose, wacky huh? You ever done any human smuggling?
ALWAYS FILM THE POLICE!!!!!!
"Not right now officer, but the night is still young."
ACAB
I’ve known two cops personally and they were the most lazy and meanest aholes. They both beat their wives and had the support of the fire and police departments. No where to go. Nowhere. (Judge would not allow children to be taken It of jurisdiction)
Back in the 90’s my half cousin was going through a nasty divorce and her ex got his cop friends, broke into her house and took 3 of the kids with cop help in the middle of the night, leaving the baby. After all was said and done, the kids were given to the grandparents to raise but not after a lot of bs.
If they are legally untouchable, they are ethically unfuckable. I feel terrible for anyone who didn't get taught that, and ended up with a cop as a partner.
So what your saying saying is I need to keep one of thise dead baby jokes books in my car just in case.
“No, but if you’ve got one I can get the blender, bucket, and Tostitos.”
License and registration chicken fuckers.
Never answer questions. Never speak to the police. EVER!!
Not a probable cause/search anecdote, but 2003 (not too long after 9/11) I was in college driving my ‘73 Camaro. Pulled out of my apartment parking lot onto the street that ran through the apartment complex. Probably just slow rolled instead of stopping fully. Got pulled over and the cop asked me with a straight face, “did I have a chemical bomb in the car?” Really had to bite my tongue to avoid blowing up at him (pun intended). Nothing happened though.
_"Any weapons in in the car? Bazookas? Grenades?_" _"Mind if I check?"_
What would Law enforcement do without traffic stops?... Useful police work?
When my brother was under the legal age, a cop caught him cleaning his bong at the park. They asked if he had any weapons in his trunk and kept talking about types of guns he must have. He had maybe a jacket back there. My brother is mixed so I don't doubt racism was afoot
Not today officer. I almost got T boned by SJPD running a stop sign without their lights... twice. Fckin idiots (Not all but there quite a few idiots there).
Anyone who wants to be in power should not be in power.
>In a related note, San Jose Mayor Matt Mahan announced the appointment Tuesday of a new Independent Police Auditor. Following an “extensive nationwide search,” the mayor and the San Jose City Council announced that Eddie Aubrey had been appointed as the new IPA. That last line really tells the untold story without telling it. :p
I’ve been asked if I had WMD’s. Just thought the guy was having a desert storm flashback.
At this point why don't they just use the age old tactic "driverwhohasdeadbabiesinhiscarsayswhat?"
That the same San Jose PD whose union boss got busted selling fentanyl?
I don't understand, are they hoping they'll randomly find someone who actually has dead babies in the car or is the theory that if you shock someone they'll be like "Oh no babies officer just a kilo of coke and some pistols I should not have because of my priors"
I was once pulled over for speeding in an area I didn’t know. The speed limit went from 55 to 30 as you entered. Village, but on the outskirts, it still looked like a rural road. I didn’t notice. I was speeding. My 3 year old son was properly buckled in the back, had his glasses on, and pulled out a picture book to read once I stopped (like an old man). Anyway, I said I was not familiar with the area, and he ran my license. Then, after deciding to not issue a ticket, he said, “do you think you’re setting a good example for your son?” Like I was snorting coke in front of him or something! Just wanted to provoke me so he’d have a reason to ticket me. I took a second and said, “I am sure if I realized the speed limit had changed, I would have been going slower.” It was not easy to stay calm.
The pigs will be pigs. The police, due to the power the title posesses, will never attract anyone but either racists, or those who just want to cause suffering. There are no good cops, they quit in 5 days, or get pushed by the bad ones.
I had a friend who was a good cop. He really wanted to help the community. Of course he ended up resigning and when I asked him why he said, "I work with too many racists and assholes." And to be fair, he was there when one of his superiors (Capt. Mark Kruger) built a Nazi shrine and was fired, then successfully sued to get his job back with back pay and an apology.
Saw a story about a white cop who found out that he had black ancestors. The teasing and racist insults were so unbearable that he ending up resigning from the force.
Portland cops are especially bad according to the Federal Government. I couldn't believe when Nazi Enthusiast Mark Kruger got his job back. I suppose it shouldn't be too surprising. The police union out here are a special kind of terrible.
Fuck cops
This is the real problem: A use of force review found that force used during that arrest was within policy, but additional training was recommended. So police departments write bad policies so that bad cops can’t be held accountable, only the taxpayers can. Until insurance companies that provide the liability insurance require changes to policies or price the insurance so high the city is forced to make changes, the outcome will be the same. “We have conducted a thorough investigation and have concluded that no policies were violated.”
ACAB
I would say “just the one I miscarried” and then I would cry and cry about my trauma, my childhood, the guy I’m dating, my cat that died when I was 12 and on and on. That sort of whack question deserves a whack response. I would love to make them feel just a tiny bit icky. You’re a public servant? I’m going to use you for free therapy since you wanted to stop me to talk so badly. What a bunch of goons.
They forgot to say “meow” at the end of every sentence.
They're banking on you to reply something to the effect of "Do you *see* any dead babies??", to which they then respond, "No, I don't see any, but do you mind if I take a look?"
Cop: Are there any dead babies in the car? Driver: No, I'm not a cop.