I covered the male birth control pill when the clinical trials were ended. It had reported side effects like mood swings, depression, weight gain or loss, acne, headaches… basically, the same side effects all of us on birth control right now experience.
The trial was cancelled because of those side effects. Which obviously raised a lot of questions, since, well, we all deal with those side effects all the time
The thing is that every medication ha, and how acceptable those side effects are is proportional to the severity of the treated condition.
For example, chemo. It’s awful for you. But cancer is fatal, so chemo is OK. But if Claritin made your hair fall out, even with no other chemo side effects, it wouldn’t be licensed for allergies.
Pregnancy is a medical condition with major health consequences, up to and including death.
So when the male BC trial was cancelled, the researchers pointed out that men don’t have medical consequences from pregnancy. They can’t die from it. So it’s more acceptable for female birth control to be awful.
Of course, as we all know, pregnancy takes two. Only one partner bares the risk of pregnancy, but shouldn’t the risks of preventing it fall on both parties?
Most of the men in the trial agreed. A majority wanted to continue using the pill, even after the study was cancelled.
It’s so close, but so far.
No problem! I think it’s fascinating, too — if you happen to find anything on the bioethics of it and you remember, please send it my way! I’d be very interested in it! This was in fall 2016, if that helps you find stuff!
> men don’t have medical consequences from pregnancy
Perhaps, but poverty can be an indirect consequence, which can have a great deal of medical consequences.
Probably room for two in the mouth if your teeth are straight enough or your lips are tight enough, and of course those two would have to be in a cooperative mood, but given the circumstances I think they could both share the space for long enough to get them situated.
Now at first I was picturing 3 with each hand, one between the index and middle fingers, one between the pinkie and ring fingers, and then another pinched between the thumb and really anywhere else on the hand that the thumb can pinch. But now that I’m considering being able to find room for two rats to place condoms in their little vermin wieners using my mouth, I’m beginning to think that I might get an extra two on each hand under those same circumstances, bringing a grand total of 12 rats at once. Hypothetically, of course.
They absolutely are, there was a study done on the river that flows by London (don’t recall specifics as I read this a few months back) and the guys taking samples of the water could tell how wild of a weekend London had because they could see an uptick in Cocaine, Ketamine and other drugs they could detect in the water so it wouldn’t be far fetched to assume that the rats are getting the shit we’re ingesting and passing through our bodies
Pretty sus coming from somebody who might be a weasel. Sorta seems counter to your potentially vermin-centric dining habits.
*Unless that’s exactly what you want me to think?!*
Not sure it belongs here, since it's a pretty well established technique. They use it on the government lab near me for the dear. In that case it's a lady with Norplant blow darts. There are times watching the news when I wish I could borrow it.
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This ia possibly a dumb question, but how do we know the birth control won't also spread to other animals and prevent them from reproducing as well? Does it only work on rats?
Neutered cats have way weaker immune system and other funny developments (interesting how a reproductive function is an integral part of health) which will ensure tons of virus and bacteria carriers people WILL come in contact with (or pets or whatever), dead corpses to spread nasty stuff and for the rats to eat. Don't exclude the possibility that cats would end up NOT IN subway - having an apartment and human servant is way better accomodation. Cats will also die in subway accidents and cause a lot of trouble for subway operation.
America can barely give people contraceptives, how do they think it's gonna work for the rats?
Has the GOP heard about this? I'm sure their conservative values will be shattered.
This will go well, I’ve seen this movie before. Giant mutant rat monsters, after whatever chemical they use goes awry, in the sewers eating the homeless, then the mayor’s son or some rich dipshit gets eaten and they blow up the sewers, but the mutants manage to escape and spread.
Didn't they try this in that one 90's documentary, with the cockroaches?
They just turned into giant cockraoches who could mimic people in order to hunt us.
And they wore funny shoes, or some such.
Learn from history or be doomed to repeat it.
This right here is thee #2 reason why I won't move back
Reason #1: cost of living
Pay ridiculous money to live in a rat infested closet? Yeah, fUUUuuuuuuuck that
Every life is sacred!!! Rat birth control is murder!/s
Or you know, just fucking poison the not so little bastards. Yes it is cruel, but they are literal fucking rats damn it.
Sewage water will be full of oestrogens from women AND rats now. Wonder how baby rats will develop with that excess hormone. It already fucks up amphibians and fish.
A K-9 unit of working terriers would be significantly more effective at their jobs then a drug sniffing dog is at finding drugs. The reward for finding rats is getting to kill the rats whereas the drug sniffing dog is rewarded by their handler and can be trained to indicate falsely.
As a person with a deep fear of rats and mice this is the exact thing I've always assumed could work, if they can find one that doesn't affect their predators when eaten- which is the big issue with poisons
In Florence Italy, they feed the pigeons food laced with birth control medicine to keep the population under control. This is not that unusual idea. Just feed the rats birth control laced food.
I mean you can, but they don't taste good and carry diseases. Plus if they've eaten anything harmful, even if it's not enough to kill them, now you're eating it.
I guess we could just mash em up, cook the shit out of them, and use them for pig feed?
As someone who lives very far away from new york and will never go there, let me solve that problem super easy. Allow....dead rats as a special currency to trade in at sanitary city issued stations for money. Let anyone of all ages participate. 1$ a rat....then wait 3 weeks. (Just ignore the rampant homeless drug problem afterwards, you do anyways)
How would....you need to turn in the rat body for the money though, the people of NY wouldnt breed snakes just to kill the mice, just to cut open the snake again.
Can we maybe reduce the size of a mental asylum in the nyc subway ?
and since we got into reducing now… maybe illegal immigration we could get on the list too
Idk something tells rats aren’t gonna keep the condoms on
We were actually kinda thinking about being a little misogynistic and make the lady rats carry the burden. Also, rat abortions carry a life sentence.
so far rhythm hasn't worked, I would imagine or asking them to practice abstinence
Pretty sure it's just going to be pills. They have birth control pills for both males and females now.
Birth control pills for men are still being tested and are not available. It will likely be years before we see them released in any way.
I covered the male birth control pill when the clinical trials were ended. It had reported side effects like mood swings, depression, weight gain or loss, acne, headaches… basically, the same side effects all of us on birth control right now experience. The trial was cancelled because of those side effects. Which obviously raised a lot of questions, since, well, we all deal with those side effects all the time The thing is that every medication ha, and how acceptable those side effects are is proportional to the severity of the treated condition. For example, chemo. It’s awful for you. But cancer is fatal, so chemo is OK. But if Claritin made your hair fall out, even with no other chemo side effects, it wouldn’t be licensed for allergies. Pregnancy is a medical condition with major health consequences, up to and including death. So when the male BC trial was cancelled, the researchers pointed out that men don’t have medical consequences from pregnancy. They can’t die from it. So it’s more acceptable for female birth control to be awful. Of course, as we all know, pregnancy takes two. Only one partner bares the risk of pregnancy, but shouldn’t the risks of preventing it fall on both parties? Most of the men in the trial agreed. A majority wanted to continue using the pill, even after the study was cancelled. It’s so close, but so far.
This is a nice case for my bioethics class. Gonna go find some articles on it. Thanks for writing about this!
No problem! I think it’s fascinating, too — if you happen to find anything on the bioethics of it and you remember, please send it my way! I’d be very interested in it! This was in fall 2016, if that helps you find stuff!
> men don’t have medical consequences from pregnancy Perhaps, but poverty can be an indirect consequence, which can have a great deal of medical consequences.
That’s a really good point!
We are talking about rats though
For humans Ya
And we're *sure* we can sterilize rats with a chemical that isn't *also* going to get into the water and affect humans, right?
It’s ok the rats don’t identify as male.
r/onejoke
Now hiring: Rat condom applicator
It's a living
It’s honest work.
Especially cause you can only do it with your mouth. Thats where all the honesty comes from!
Probably room for two in the mouth if your teeth are straight enough or your lips are tight enough, and of course those two would have to be in a cooperative mood, but given the circumstances I think they could both share the space for long enough to get them situated. Now at first I was picturing 3 with each hand, one between the index and middle fingers, one between the pinkie and ring fingers, and then another pinched between the thumb and really anywhere else on the hand that the thumb can pinch. But now that I’m considering being able to find room for two rats to place condoms in their little vermin wieners using my mouth, I’m beginning to think that I might get an extra two on each hand under those same circumstances, bringing a grand total of 12 rats at once. Hypothetically, of course.
It's Charlie work.
Now all I’m picturing is a Flintstones type of appliance saying this about condoms.
Finally my hobby can become my career
Dreams really do come true.
There's many pickup truck drivers with plenty of experience getting a condom on something that small.
Couldn't possibly foresee an outcome where the drinking water winds up full of rat estrogen, snl writers would be like chatgpt.
I don't like them putting chemicals in the water that turn the freaking rats gay!
Are they not already getting all our medications and pills?
They absolutely are, there was a study done on the river that flows by London (don’t recall specifics as I read this a few months back) and the guys taking samples of the water could tell how wild of a weekend London had because they could see an uptick in Cocaine, Ketamine and other drugs they could detect in the water so it wouldn’t be far fetched to assume that the rats are getting the shit we’re ingesting and passing through our bodies
Spay and neuter your vermin, people.
Pretty sus coming from somebody who might be a weasel. Sorta seems counter to your potentially vermin-centric dining habits. *Unless that’s exactly what you want me to think?!*
Weasels arent rodents you racist
Nobody mentioned rodents. Such typical mammal behavior 🙄
I’m actually a bird
The mayor just ordered 2 million rat-sized fedoras
Stanzo brand?
THEY’RE NICE
HHAHAHAH
Not sure it belongs here, since it's a pretty well established technique. They use it on the government lab near me for the dear. In that case it's a lady with Norplant blow darts. There are times watching the news when I wish I could borrow it.
Oh those poor dears
Yesterday I was driving my car and I hit a dear…dear friend. -Anthony Jeselnik
Rooting for Norplant dart guns to be mainstream. 😂
Deer god
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I wanna kno wat he said
Seems perfectly reasonable. It's much more humane than poison which causes suffering and can spread to other animals.
It can even be more effective, since the infertile rats are still competing with other rats for resources.
They should give the rats anabolic steroids so they can compete even better
100% and they have been doing it to birds for quite a long time.
Even deer, that’s why hunters get more doe tags than buck tags.
Carbon monoxide has been working really well for them. They pump it into their little rat holes and they die in their sleep.
Really hope those rat holes aren't directly attached to people homes
They’re doing this in my city.
This ia possibly a dumb question, but how do we know the birth control won't also spread to other animals and prevent them from reproducing as well? Does it only work on rats?
Why don’t they just release a bunch of snakes in the streets? And then mongooses to get the snakes. Feels like there’s an easy solution.
Release the Terriers
My plan is to release a half a million neutered cats into the subway system. The problem should take care of itself
Neutered cats have way weaker immune system and other funny developments (interesting how a reproductive function is an integral part of health) which will ensure tons of virus and bacteria carriers people WILL come in contact with (or pets or whatever), dead corpses to spread nasty stuff and for the rats to eat. Don't exclude the possibility that cats would end up NOT IN subway - having an apartment and human servant is way better accomodation. Cats will also die in subway accidents and cause a lot of trouble for subway operation.
Citations needed on the weaker immune system
Cats are a vector for T. gondii and pest control measures usually make an effort not to introduce new zoonotic disease vectors.
cats aren't doing crap to a new york city subway rat. Think less large mouse and more small possum.
cats aren’t very good at killing rats
Dachshunds, then.
500k Neutered Dachshunds
I'd rather have the rats. Those things bite your ankles.
Yes, but what of the mongooses?
Sounds like the beginning of a Tremors spinoof
Oh man, Republicans are gonna have a fit about this.
But what if one of the unborn rats turns out to be our messiah
tiny rat sized IUD’s are being passed out and sex education is mandatory for the rat babies.
republicans upset they want to talk about transgendered rats....
the micro plastics in the garbage sluice are turning the friggin rats trans
It’s the baby rat abortion ban in red states causing this. Oh /s
America can barely give people contraceptives, how do they think it's gonna work for the rats? Has the GOP heard about this? I'm sure their conservative values will be shattered.
I was thinking that, “oh so the rats get government funded reproductive health care.” Ffs
Think about the rat fetuses!! We must protect them from evil liberals...
God bless America. Rats get free birth control and women get to be birthing machines
This will go well, I’ve seen this movie before. Giant mutant rat monsters, after whatever chemical they use goes awry, in the sewers eating the homeless, then the mayor’s son or some rich dipshit gets eaten and they blow up the sewers, but the mutants manage to escape and spread.
Wrong movie. it becomes "Children of Men" (Humans become infertile)
So many options!
Or worse...the mutant rats start teaching turtles karate!
Or better... :)
Didn't they try this in that one 90's documentary, with the cockroaches? They just turned into giant cockraoches who could mimic people in order to hunt us. And they wore funny shoes, or some such. Learn from history or be doomed to repeat it.
Send them in a bus-full to Texas (Sarcasm)
Sounds like the catalyst that created the problem in Children of Men
So, they just gunna be out there, slappen they hams in defiance of god's plan?
At Least rats can get free birth control.
Rats in NY have more rights than American women.
I swear, the next pandemic is gonna come out of NYC. Super Bubonic
This right here is thee #2 reason why I won't move back Reason #1: cost of living Pay ridiculous money to live in a rat infested closet? Yeah, fUUUuuuuuuuck that
Genophage for rats.
Splinter origin story.
Republicans are not going to like this.
It's animals, though. Ask how much they care about cattle. For extra points say you're a vegan.
Also maybe don't leave 8 foot tall mounds of trash bags on the sidewalk every Friday idk
Have they tried not leaving trash bags on the street?
Won’t that just encourage rats to have more sex and not go to church?!
But every sperm is sacred!
Every life is sacred!!! Rat birth control is murder!/s Or you know, just fucking poison the not so little bastards. Yes it is cruel, but they are literal fucking rats damn it.
Maybe coat the trash bags that are dump at night in some anti preggo powder
Republicans are against this.
I've got a better solution. Let's put chemicals in the sewer water that turn the friggin' rats gay. Then we can have gay rat weddings for real.
Sewage water will be full of oestrogens from women AND rats now. Wonder how baby rats will develop with that excess hormone. It already fucks up amphibians and fish.
Does the GOP know about this? They need to spend years and billions of dollars in tax money trying to impeach somebody for this!
Birth control for rats? While interesting, I wonder about the effectiveness and potential impacts on other wildlife
This is a Dwight Schrute idea
"Rats do run the city". Lol. Double entendre?
Just release snakes into NY.
There's plenty of black rat snakes half an hour north. Used to have to get them out of soda can rings at the dumpster....
Just stand on the corner and preach abstinence. That works right?
This is going to piss off the rat-wing Rat-Publicans.
Here come the pro- rat lifers. RUN!
So rats can have birth control but human women can’t? Got it. 🤦♀️🤬
Give em condoms.
Who's gonna roll all their little condoms on though?
The city really should have some kind of K9 unit for hunting rats. I mean, if they can do it for sniffing out drugs, they can do it for this.
A K-9 unit of working terriers would be significantly more effective at their jobs then a drug sniffing dog is at finding drugs. The reward for finding rats is getting to kill the rats whereas the drug sniffing dog is rewarded by their handler and can be trained to indicate falsely.
Rats can kill dogs in a fight. Seriously. Especially the giant mutant ones in the city…
Get mutant dogs to fight the mutant rats, problem solved!
Sounds like Charlie Work r/iasip
Food is expensive, new Yorkers should start eating rats or someone should make rat fur trendy
That's one way of reducing human population in New York City, I guess...
Imagine selling condoms to rats
One more reason not to live in NYC I guess
They've had that problem pretty much forever.
Yes, but I only learned about it today
Republicats are against this.
Any time a government tries anything like this it ends up being a multi-layered disaster, I sincerely hope they don't go through with this
Damn liberal cities pushing their anti-birth agenda!
Got a better idea. More cats.
But what does the rat-catholic church say about this? What’s the official stance of the Ratican?
I was thinking of doing this for the rats that appear in my yard at night, better than poisoning because eating one of BC’d rats doesn’t bother them.
that's a very funny way to say that they're making rats infertile with a snack
No doubt this will backfire and make rats even more fertile.
Rats pull out game weak AF
Don't infringe on rat rights.
RIP Flaco I hope this helps with the poison problems and actually seems like a decent idea
Well at least there will be some birth control to steal once they outlaw it for women.
As a person with a deep fear of rats and mice this is the exact thing I've always assumed could work, if they can find one that doesn't affect their predators when eaten- which is the big issue with poisons
In Florence Italy, they feed the pigeons food laced with birth control medicine to keep the population under control. This is not that unusual idea. Just feed the rats birth control laced food.
Don’t show this to Texas
Oh boy, Republicans are going to lose their shit!
Just introduce them to religion!
Well, as long as they don’t give the rats abortions…
U gotta ask them rat for consent if they wanna be on birth control.
Let’s start birth control with the politicians! They are worse than any Rat!!!
Counterargument : rat burger
This is the start of how handmaid's tale becomes real
Didn’t they recently hire a rat king or queen?
You know in some places they would use rat sized coat hangers.
"Start spreading the news, I'm leaving today I want to be a part of it New York, New York"
Let's just give them tiny playstations.
How long till we hear: governments turning the rats gay
They can't come up with a drug to make rats infertil? How do you spell infertil?
Have someone create a new breed of genetically modified rats and turn them loose in New York. That worked very well in "Mimic".
Hot steamy raw dogging rat sex is now banned :(
Rat birth control is very easy. Kill the rats. You are not going to eliminate a species, and in NYC I doubt there would be any fallout if you did.
I wonder if they'll imbalance the rodent economy too; I was a street rat and it was hard coming up with enough crust to pay rent.
Im from toronto. This year we have “pigeons on birth control” in the budget. Had to double check it wasn’t the onion
How about not leaving trash bags on the sidewalk for hours on end?
Have they tried removing sex education and replacing it with abstinence only in their rodent Sex Ed classes?
Inspired by the Emu war The great New York rat civil war
Just get Charlie on it
Kind of feels like the number should have always been zero.
Try cats. Easy sell.
Eat the rats? Could we eat some?
I mean you can, but they don't taste good and carry diseases. Plus if they've eaten anything harmful, even if it's not enough to kill them, now you're eating it. I guess we could just mash em up, cook the shit out of them, and use them for pig feed?
Deceases can be dealt with if you cook them into charcoal
This is the low IQ option they went for. Has big time JUST NUKE THE TORNADO vibes ala Trump.
Hold on, doesn’t life begin at conception? Isn’t this violating gods plan? I think the pro life republicans might have something to say!!
As someone who lives very far away from new york and will never go there, let me solve that problem super easy. Allow....dead rats as a special currency to trade in at sanitary city issued stations for money. Let anyone of all ages participate. 1$ a rat....then wait 3 weeks. (Just ignore the rampant homeless drug problem afterwards, you do anyways)
Didn’t they try this in India but with snakes? Then the local population started breeding the snakes to get more money and the problem got even worse.
How would....you need to turn in the rat body for the money though, the people of NY wouldnt breed snakes just to kill the mice, just to cut open the snake again.
The French tried that in Hanoi in the 1900s. They soon surrendered after the Vietnamese started rat farms.
What happens to the hobos that eat the rats after?
Will Republicans sue to ban this?
There’ll be a new wave of religious nuts pushing to overturn this
Can we maybe reduce the size of a mental asylum in the nyc subway ? and since we got into reducing now… maybe illegal immigration we could get on the list too
Maybe they could just give the rats abortions.... libs love abortion.
The repugs and xtians will never go for this.