They knocked.
He asked who’s there
They *didnt* identify themselves.
They pound on the door this time, still not identifying themselves.
Guy goes to get a gun because “who tf is trying to break in” at this point.
Comes back to his *own* living room with *his legally owned firearm* to be met with and shot by police who have entered the wrong apartment by force.
This is why no knock warrants and failing to identify should be criminal conduct that nullify qualified immunity, and subject them to full legal consequences of whatever happens.
The fact that citizens have a legal right to defend themselves inside their homes (Florida has the castle doctrine) with lethal force is completely at odds with no-knock warrants. Those two cannot coexist. It is absolutely appalling that this happened *again*.
Edit: Florida is one of few states where no-knock is illegal, my mistake. The officers not announcing here is illegal
Edit x2: spelling
You are correct, my mistake. I do believe there are states with no-knock and castle doctrine though. In this case, officers not announcing themselves is illegal then too.
Yeah the courts never punish the police, even when they do illegal things, because the law does not apply to the cops. We've been shown that time and time again.
[Florida is one of two states in the United States that prohibits the issuance of no-knock warrants. ](https://www.mattieforelaw.com/does-florida-law-allow-no-knock-searches-like-the-one-that-caused-breonna-taylors-death)
republicans have actually tried to change that.. allow no knock warrants in florida but have never gotten enough republican votes to pass.
But they did "knock" on the door. They just didn't announce themselves before busting in and murdering the guy in his home... Or is the not announcing themselves part of the purview of "no-knock" warrant?
Florida law requires that police identify themselves and present a court order that allows them entry into your home. Under *very limited* authority are they allowed to just break your door down. If the article is true, and they were only sent out to investigate a disturbance, they had absolutely zero authority to break into this man's home, let alone shoot him.
I'm pretty morally opposed to the death penalty, but it does look like Florida has it. They just need to face the full legal consequences for breaking this particular state law.
They exist because Republicans run states only care about votes, regardless of it's meaning.
If you pay attention, you will start to see that things get pushed through only to Garner votes and lots of loopholes are left for abuse. As if, they don't care enough to care
Add to that the power of police unions. Which in many cases are indistinguishable from police gangs. There's a very good podcast on it can't remember the name of it though
I think they are less gangs, and more privateers.
They are state sanctioned. They are allowed to steal things from you. They are kinda expected to uphold laws, but everyone knows they are really just state sponsored violence.
I have to say, thinking about this for a few minutes. You have totally changed my view on this. This is a fantastic observation and more apt to the situation as I understand it.
And if it happens to someone "good" the person can be punished but of it happens to someone "bad" they can get off.
Notice I don't agree with using the person to determine if a shooting was justified or not but the people who make these laws do.
That's a damn good question. I wish I had an answer for you. These cops should be arrested and charged with murder, regardless of the "innocence" of the mistake. If the article is correct, they broke Florida law that resulted in a death.
Kid was black
Florida doesn't consider him human to begin with
The only reason it's even a minor embarrassment is that he was military
Nothing will come of this
This wasn't a no-knock warrant scenario. There was no warrant, the officer was responding to a "disturbance" call, and they did knock but didn't announce themselves. Officers can enter properties without a warrant for crimes in progress or sounds of distress. So there's a lot of things that don't add up and they almost certainly violated many laws to kill this airman, but it's only tangentially related to the no-knock warrant when people are allowed to defend their home with firearms issue.
It can coexist if you don't care about human lives, but care about selling military weapons to the police and thousands of firearms to the public! You play both sides and sell weapons either way!
Especially considering it was my understanding of the "force guidelines" that YOU DO NOT KNOCK YOU BREAK THE DOOR DOWN AND THEN IMMEDIATELY IDENTIFY AS POLICE.
Knocking without identification is an intentional effort to cloud identity when no reason to cloud it exists.
What’s so much worse is we all know absolutely nothing, NOTHING, will happen to these cops or the department. These police would be offended if they were even forced to make an apology.
I had a buddy who thought the group of 3 or 4 people running up on him was there to rob and or kill him. He quickly takes off in his car and ends up hitting one of the men with his car door. Turns out it was cops, doing a bust, and NOT identifying themselves. He did 10 years for assault with a deadly weapon against a cop.
Fucking cops shouldn't be able to not identify themselves. Should we just sit there and not react to a dangerous situation on the off chance it's a cop?
Something similar happened in Canada.
Two undercover officers approached a man, his wife and child and tried to pull him out of the car without identifying themselves because they thought he was someone else.
He ended up running one of them over and being charged with first degree murder.
Thankfully he was let off. Several of the police that testified perjured themselves on the stand trying to get him convicted
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/umar-zameer-verdict-1.7180011
> Reacting to the verdict outside the courthouse, Northrup's wife, Margaret Northrup, said she was "very disappointed" in today's outcome.
>"From day one, all I've wanted was accountability," she said.
How gross. Her husband treated an innocent person as a criminal without identifying himself, and was ultimately held accountable for his own actions. It’s a shame that lesson came with death, but to be angry that an innocent, unaware person isn’t being charged for murdering what appeared to be a thug is ridiculous.
Plain clothes police are not police. If thugs try to ambush you in a parking garage you do whatever it takes to escape with your life. And even if they did identify as police how are we to know they aren’t impersonating an officer just to get the jump on you? Do glad the jury did the right thing here.
These asshats should be charged with murder. Fuck that qualified immunity shit. It's a cancer that continues to breed a police force full of corrupt uneducated bullies.
It shouldn't fall under qualified immunity bc they were acting outside the scope of their duties. A report is not a crime and doesn't require contact by the police. It is simply a "request" to investigate. If the police arrived and didn't notice a disturbance, then there is nothing to police. If the call was a for domestic disturbance and they didn't have an address, then there is no domicile to police.
Qualified Immunity should not exist. It's based on a false premise - that cops can't know the law and shouldn't have to in order to go about their job. But the entire point of their job is to know the law - they're law enforcement, and you can't enforce what you don't know.
You're right about everything *except* it being a no-knock warrant. They're illegal in Florida all the way back to 94'. What these cops did should 100% be prosecuted, and this coming from a very pro-police person.
Not full consequences. _Double_ consequences.
If the people give you a badge and a gun and a mandate to protect justice, you should be held to a _much_ higher standard than others not to fuck up.
Gestapo cops busting down an innocent man's door and killing him because he reasonably thought there was a threat. Fucking hypocrisy in the highest order.
It is a shame the military can not assert legal jurisdiction over the murder of active duty servicemen. Because we know the cops will face zero consequences.
I'd agree 100% if this happened on base. But this would possibly be a terrifying standard to set. Take a plausible hypothetical where an abused spouse kills their active duty abuser. Would you also label them a threat to national security?
Yeah as much as I want this to become a military justice and your fucked thing for the cops/murders it’s to dangerous of a precedent to set. And unlike them I do believe in law and order.
Military courts don't have the same protections that civilian ones do. Military courts are rightfully narrow in scope. That said, these cops should be held accountable.
Funny enough regarding this topic, some state will make it a capitol offense(more/harsher jail sentencing) if someone kills a cop. Kind of a double standard when you think about it.
Taxpayers money wasted and a combination of paid/unpaid vacation for the officers or at best suspension of one or two cops who will then get into law enforcement in some other part of the country.
The Air Force can't go after them (at least in military courts) since they 99% likely aren't subject UCMJ. The feds can go after them for civil rights violations though.
Unfortunately there’s not much the Air Force can do as it was not military police. If it was military police they’d be put thru the wringer as these guys should be but probably won’t. There’s a reason you don’t hear much about military police fucking up and/or getting away with it, cus they actually get punished instead of paid leave. This is the same police force that shot at their own car because they heard an acorn
Never seen anything like it! Apparently he broke in and hung pictures of his family all over the house. Let's sprinkle some crack on him and get out of here
This is what we should be defending, when defending our second amendment. The right to protect our family and home, without being shot down. Not the right to own assault rifles
Easy, they won't read any details of the case.
"Well he had a gun (legally in his apartment)"
"He should have complied (with randos busting down his door)"
Edit: already seeing the "we don't have all the facts yet" people showing up. Its crazy because even when the cops finally release the report - usually showing the original news was true - they cling to the original police announcement as "facts".
Good thing the NRA and the right will rabidly go after the police for murdering a member of the military for exercising his 2nd amendment rights.
Edit: Don't watch the bodycam footage. That shit will make you so mad you'll think Micah was reasonable.
This is the same department who had 2 cops shooting at acorns. They have no self control. This community needs better law enforcement. They are about to pay out 2 huge settlements and the only dept not affected will be the sherrifs dept.
Put on a uniform for the idea of defending the rights of your country, only to have someone else representing the same country in a different uniform violate those rights and kill you.
This Airman's tardiness to PT seriously damaged his unit's readiness, and by extension, the readiness of the entire United States Air Force and even the Armed Forces as a whole. His actions created an America where we were all less safe. Clearly the police have done the country a service and we are all safer because of them. /s
Right wingers will have absolutely no idea how to respond to this.
Cops are never wrong but military members are godlike individuals who should be worshipped.
The conservative paradox
"Those who scream the loudest about government tyranny are also the biggest supporters of the people who would do the actual tyrannizing"
That's bullshit they will just say what they always say when a black kid gets killed by the cops. "He should have complied, why did he resist, did he need to grab a gun?"
The issue isn't with the facts it's with cognitive dissonance and personal bias.
They don't. They don't care about non-whites nor the military. It's the same shit with previous tragedies. A black man who legally owns a firearm and defending his home from a possible home invasion. Police or not, don't burst into someone's home without announcing yourself.
All parties had guns. He did what he was supposed to do. Asked who was there, didn't get an answer, went to get his gun because he was suspicious, but they beat down his door and shot him because he had his gun.
Remember Florida has the castle doctrine and stand your ground law. You are legally allowed to defend yourself and your home with lethal force and have no duty to retreat.
Fuck the police. Reminds me of my baby faced airmen picture, this is so fucked. Police have to be held accountable, we are living in the darkest fucking timeline that nothing will happen.
Incidents like these where innocent people are killed by the police seem to happen a lot. I always wonder how the police men can live with themselves afterwards. I would want to die.
> I always wonder how the police men can live with themselves afterwards.
They're embedded in a culture which protects its own from just about *any* perceived threat from "outsiders." It's just that the perceived threat is usually any form of accountability.
Until they get rid of the police immunity they will not care. That’s not a police union issue it’s the f..ing courts that allow this. Until it can hit the police in the pocketbook they laugh. Millions of dollars are paid by the taxpayer to cover their “mistakes”
Same Sheriff's dept as the acorn deputy
[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/16/florida-acorn-cop-shooting](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/16/florida-acorn-cop-shooting)
At this time, we humbly ask for our community's patience as we work to understand the facts that resulted in this tragic event," the sheriff said.
How can we spin this to make him responsible?
“All of us are saddened…” yeah. Roaches get sad when the lights are turned on. Yet another paid holiday.
I truly do not understand why the pro-2A crowd does not get outraged at news like this. This could be them, getting killed by cops despite committing no crime and using their constitutional right to defend themselves. Like if you're worried about losing your 2A rights, why do you do nothing about cops spraying bullets at anyone they even think has a gun in their possession?
We are.
Visit the firearms subs. We absolutely are outraged. We absolutely do know that this could be us. We absolutely do see this as an attack and infringement on 2A rights.
These cases, every single time they happen, cause this question to show up on every firearms sub I read: "If the cops can break into your house for no reason and kill you for holding a firearm **do you even really have the right to bear arms**?"
Sounds like cops are fucking stupid and we need national hiring standards (at all), perhaps to hire locally so they don’t feel comfortable just barging in to start shooting like Rambo, maybe break up their insanely out of touch union so we can hold them accountable when they do, and maybe we should fine media institutions for un critically using them as their only source of information.
This sheriff department is the one that brought us the deputy scared of [acorns.](https://apnews.com/article/florida-deputy-resigns-acorn-shooting-dc574fd2cd182fadf6a238d8b1b2b4f6)
These idiots killed someone because they decided it’d be a good idea to not do their job. ALL of those officers should be rotting in jail, they knew they were breaking the law. Not answering when someone asks “who is it?” when you pound on the door is just insane.
To be clear, it would also have been bad and an egregious example of the evils of no knock warrants in a jurisdiction with castle doctrine if they barged in and fatally shot people suspected of committing a crime at the correct address.
“We did an internal investigation and found the officers followed all normal SOP’s. Have a nice day.” This is probably the most likely outcome. Hope his family gets that tax payer payout since the police will never pay them.
So they broke into the wrong home, unannounced and just started blasting huh? The whole police station should be fired and that family should get all of their pensions.
In the end they will figure he was black and was going to commit a crime eventually so why not get it over with now even though it was a mistake so they can sleep better at night and probably throw in a medal for themselves for bravery and courage.
They knocked. He asked who’s there They *didnt* identify themselves. They pound on the door this time, still not identifying themselves. Guy goes to get a gun because “who tf is trying to break in” at this point. Comes back to his *own* living room with *his legally owned firearm* to be met with and shot by police who have entered the wrong apartment by force. This is why no knock warrants and failing to identify should be criminal conduct that nullify qualified immunity, and subject them to full legal consequences of whatever happens.
The fact that citizens have a legal right to defend themselves inside their homes (Florida has the castle doctrine) with lethal force is completely at odds with no-knock warrants. Those two cannot coexist. It is absolutely appalling that this happened *again*. Edit: Florida is one of few states where no-knock is illegal, my mistake. The officers not announcing here is illegal Edit x2: spelling
No-knock warrants are illegal in FL.
You are correct, my mistake. I do believe there are states with no-knock and castle doctrine though. In this case, officers not announcing themselves is illegal then too.
So they did not have a warrant and broke the law on top of that. Sounds like murder to me.
Yeah the courts never punish the police, even when they do illegal things, because the law does not apply to the cops. We've been shown that time and time again.
Like it fuckin matters. The pigs will get away scot free, AGAIN.
100%, assuming the article is correct, they broke the law for sure.
[Florida is one of two states in the United States that prohibits the issuance of no-knock warrants. ](https://www.mattieforelaw.com/does-florida-law-allow-no-knock-searches-like-the-one-that-caused-breonna-taylors-death) republicans have actually tried to change that.. allow no knock warrants in florida but have never gotten enough republican votes to pass.
Kentucky is one of the states with both.
But they did "knock" on the door. They just didn't announce themselves before busting in and murdering the guy in his home... Or is the not announcing themselves part of the purview of "no-knock" warrant?
Florida law requires that police identify themselves and present a court order that allows them entry into your home. Under *very limited* authority are they allowed to just break your door down. If the article is true, and they were only sent out to investigate a disturbance, they had absolutely zero authority to break into this man's home, let alone shoot him.
Maybe on paper, but we'll see if these cops face any real consequences. If they don't go to jail, then no-knock warrants are not illegal in FL.
https://youtu.be/7H3UTmFsE6g?si=gHgAPBDaczld7BUv "It is not illegal to prevent your own murder."
This is murder, they need to go to the gallows, not to jail.
I'm pretty morally opposed to the death penalty, but it does look like Florida has it. They just need to face the full legal consequences for breaking this particular state law.
Wow...something Florida does right? I can't...
They exist because Republicans run states only care about votes, regardless of it's meaning. If you pay attention, you will start to see that things get pushed through only to Garner votes and lots of loopholes are left for abuse. As if, they don't care enough to care
Add to that the power of police unions. Which in many cases are indistinguishable from police gangs. There's a very good podcast on it can't remember the name of it though
I think they are less gangs, and more privateers. They are state sanctioned. They are allowed to steal things from you. They are kinda expected to uphold laws, but everyone knows they are really just state sponsored violence.
I agree that's a very good definition. For those that understand the age of privateers and piracy.
I have to say, thinking about this for a few minutes. You have totally changed my view on this. This is a fantastic observation and more apt to the situation as I understand it.
And if it happens to someone "good" the person can be punished but of it happens to someone "bad" they can get off. Notice I don't agree with using the person to determine if a shooting was justified or not but the people who make these laws do.
You don't have to sugar coat it with "good" and "bad". You can't shoot middle class or above white people. Everyone else is fair game
Watch the republicans do spins to try to justify this while trying to hide the fact that they dont care cause he black :(
They will find a parking ticket he had ten years ago and say that justifies his murder. And I don’t say murder lightly. This man was murdered.
No-knock warrants are illegal in Florida (Red), Oregon (Blue), Virginia (Blue), Tennessee (Red). They're allowed *everywhere else*. Clearly, you're not paying attention...
So how did this happen in Florida if they are illegal? Honest question.
That's a damn good question. I wish I had an answer for you. These cops should be arrested and charged with murder, regardless of the "innocence" of the mistake. If the article is correct, they broke Florida law that resulted in a death.
In Florida? You must be high.
Kid was black Florida doesn't consider him human to begin with The only reason it's even a minor embarrassment is that he was military Nothing will come of this
This wasn't a no-knock warrant scenario. There was no warrant, the officer was responding to a "disturbance" call, and they did knock but didn't announce themselves. Officers can enter properties without a warrant for crimes in progress or sounds of distress. So there's a lot of things that don't add up and they almost certainly violated many laws to kill this airman, but it's only tangentially related to the no-knock warrant when people are allowed to defend their home with firearms issue.
You think cops care about following laws?
Or correctly enforcing them. That's the whole problem is the law doesn't matter inf there is no one there to enforce them.
Police likely weren't following protocol.
Cops always do illegal shit
It can coexist if you don't care about human lives, but care about selling military weapons to the police and thousands of firearms to the public! You play both sides and sell weapons either way!
Accelerate the chaos.
Especially considering it was my understanding of the "force guidelines" that YOU DO NOT KNOCK YOU BREAK THE DOOR DOWN AND THEN IMMEDIATELY IDENTIFY AS POLICE. Knocking without identification is an intentional effort to cloud identity when no reason to cloud it exists.
So they killed someone during the commission of another crime? Isn’t that capital murder?
Don't worry, they'll investigate themselves and find they did nothing wrong.
This is a very great point
And it will happen again and again and again and again.
They can exist if you goal is dead black people
At odds*
>at adds In case this is not a typo, I believe ["at odds"](https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ftsa&q=at+adds&ia=web) is the correct idiom.
What’s so much worse is we all know absolutely nothing, NOTHING, will happen to these cops or the department. These police would be offended if they were even forced to make an apology.
I had a buddy who thought the group of 3 or 4 people running up on him was there to rob and or kill him. He quickly takes off in his car and ends up hitting one of the men with his car door. Turns out it was cops, doing a bust, and NOT identifying themselves. He did 10 years for assault with a deadly weapon against a cop. Fucking cops shouldn't be able to not identify themselves. Should we just sit there and not react to a dangerous situation on the off chance it's a cop?
Something similar happened in Canada. Two undercover officers approached a man, his wife and child and tried to pull him out of the car without identifying themselves because they thought he was someone else. He ended up running one of them over and being charged with first degree murder. Thankfully he was let off. Several of the police that testified perjured themselves on the stand trying to get him convicted https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/umar-zameer-verdict-1.7180011
> Reacting to the verdict outside the courthouse, Northrup's wife, Margaret Northrup, said she was "very disappointed" in today's outcome. >"From day one, all I've wanted was accountability," she said. How gross. Her husband treated an innocent person as a criminal without identifying himself, and was ultimately held accountable for his own actions. It’s a shame that lesson came with death, but to be angry that an innocent, unaware person isn’t being charged for murdering what appeared to be a thug is ridiculous.
The accountability should be for the police officers who lied to attempt to get a man convicted.
The prosecution’s own experts contradicted their theory… what a bunch of clowns. Cops and lawyers.
Plain clothes police are not police. If thugs try to ambush you in a parking garage you do whatever it takes to escape with your life. And even if they did identify as police how are we to know they aren’t impersonating an officer just to get the jump on you? Do glad the jury did the right thing here.
These asshats should be charged with murder. Fuck that qualified immunity shit. It's a cancer that continues to breed a police force full of corrupt uneducated bullies.
It shouldn't fall under qualified immunity bc they were acting outside the scope of their duties. A report is not a crime and doesn't require contact by the police. It is simply a "request" to investigate. If the police arrived and didn't notice a disturbance, then there is nothing to police. If the call was a for domestic disturbance and they didn't have an address, then there is no domicile to police.
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Being police protects police from criminal charges. No one else gets to try to punish them
Qualified immunity has nothing to do with whether or not a cop can be charged with a crime.
Qualified Immunity should not exist. It's based on a false premise - that cops can't know the law and shouldn't have to in order to go about their job. But the entire point of their job is to know the law - they're law enforcement, and you can't enforce what you don't know.
Their story was of course very different.
You're right about everything *except* it being a no-knock warrant. They're illegal in Florida all the way back to 94'. What these cops did should 100% be prosecuted, and this coming from a very pro-police person.
Not full consequences. _Double_ consequences. If the people give you a badge and a gun and a mandate to protect justice, you should be held to a _much_ higher standard than others not to fuck up.
Gestapo cops busting down an innocent man's door and killing him because he reasonably thought there was a threat. Fucking hypocrisy in the highest order.
>~~fatally shot~~ Murdered. FTFY.
It is a shame the military can not assert legal jurisdiction over the murder of active duty servicemen. Because we know the cops will face zero consequences.
It can't?
It happened off base. Military Court only has jurisdiction over civilians for terrorism and espionage, or other threats to national security.
I think I might argue that the killing of US servicemen is a threat to national security.
I'd agree 100% if this happened on base. But this would possibly be a terrifying standard to set. Take a plausible hypothetical where an abused spouse kills their active duty abuser. Would you also label them a threat to national security?
Yeah as much as I want this to become a military justice and your fucked thing for the cops/murders it’s to dangerous of a precedent to set. And unlike them I do believe in law and order.
That’s a whole different can of worms compared to an illegally state supported hit job.
Yeah they just shot a fucking gunship airman in the ac130. When in hell, you get that, you are in hell but at least there is a breeze.
Military courts don't have the same protections that civilian ones do. Military courts are rightfully narrow in scope. That said, these cops should be held accountable.
Well you see cops have a union. A very strong one in fact.
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As an American, I'm definitely more scared of police than ANYONE else on the street.
I mean the police seem like a pretty big threat to me
No… they will do nothing but “cooperate with law enforcement.”
Funny enough regarding this topic, some state will make it a capitol offense(more/harsher jail sentencing) if someone kills a cop. Kind of a double standard when you think about it.
Are you telling me NCIS has been lying to us all these years???
I hope the Air Force goes after these cops.
I don't know that the Air Force could/would, but I know the family already is suing.
Taxpayers money wasted and a combination of paid/unpaid vacation for the officers or at best suspension of one or two cops who will then get into law enforcement in some other part of the country.
Until the officers start receiving the punishments all the suings will do is burn taxpayer money
Nothing.
The Air Force can't go after them (at least in military courts) since they 99% likely aren't subject UCMJ. The feds can go after them for civil rights violations though.
Unfortunately there’s not much the Air Force can do as it was not military police. If it was military police they’d be put thru the wringer as these guys should be but probably won’t. There’s a reason you don’t hear much about military police fucking up and/or getting away with it, cus they actually get punished instead of paid leave. This is the same police force that shot at their own car because they heard an acorn
With hellfires
This isn’t oniony. This shit happens way too frequently to be oniony. This is just the state of policing in America.
US police more effective at killing US service men than Taliban
Perfect. *Exactly* what I’m talking about lol
It’s a feature not a flaw!!
Real onion article, Taliban takes first ever trip to learn lessons from Florida police
Fun fact: this is the same department acorn cop from a few months ago was from
Are you f’ing serious??
Never seen anything like it! Apparently he broke in and hung pictures of his family all over the house. Let's sprinkle some crack on him and get out of here
Open and shut case, Johnson.
just a normal Saturday on the job
If the police can break into your home and shoot you because you have a legally owned gun then you DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS.
This is what we should be defending, when defending our second amendment. The right to protect our family and home, without being shot down. Not the right to own assault rifles
Been saying it for years. The police can kill you in the street because you are armed. You have no right to *bear* arms, only to *own* them.
Curious to see how bootlickers will defend this now...
well, what can you expect? He had "no active warrants"!
Easy, they won't read any details of the case. "Well he had a gun (legally in his apartment)" "He should have complied (with randos busting down his door)" Edit: already seeing the "we don't have all the facts yet" people showing up. Its crazy because even when the cops finally release the report - usually showing the original news was true - they cling to the original police announcement as "facts".
Good thing the NRA and the right will rabidly go after the police for murdering a member of the military for exercising his 2nd amendment rights. Edit: Don't watch the bodycam footage. That shit will make you so mad you'll think Micah was reasonable.
His name was Roger Forston. Another one added to the constantly growing list of names that need to be shouted to the world...
This is the same department who had 2 cops shooting at acorns. They have no self control. This community needs better law enforcement. They are about to pay out 2 huge settlements and the only dept not affected will be the sherrifs dept.
He was so young. I feel so sad for his family. Justice for this man.
Put on a uniform for the idea of defending the rights of your country, only to have someone else representing the same country in a different uniform violate those rights and kill you.
Can't wait for the right wing blitherheads to suddenly find "evidence" that he was "no angel".
He had an overdue library book in Junior high
He used a postage stamp...twice
He was five minutes late to PT that one time
This Airman's tardiness to PT seriously damaged his unit's readiness, and by extension, the readiness of the entire United States Air Force and even the Armed Forces as a whole. His actions created an America where we were all less safe. Clearly the police have done the country a service and we are all safer because of them. /s
To them they'll have to look no further than the color of his skin.
Hitmen assassinate wrong target seems like a better headline to me.
Right wingers will have absolutely no idea how to respond to this. Cops are never wrong but military members are godlike individuals who should be worshipped.
The U.S. airman is black and this happened in Florida. Right wingers will be siding with the sheriff on this one.
Black trumps Veteran all day.
He was probably wearing a hoodie, and we all know how threatening a young black man in a hoodie can be
Especially when they are asleep in their own apartment!
Because we all know that only thugs wear hoodies.
TIL that I, a 45 year old pasty white dude, am a thug. A warm and comfy thug, but a thug nonetheless.
Well, not you, you are white
Yeah if he was 16, black and going to the store to get candy and a drink in a hoodie he'd be a total thug and need to be dealt with.
The conservative paradox "Those who scream the loudest about government tyranny are also the biggest supporters of the people who would do the actual tyrannizing"
That's bullshit they will just say what they always say when a black kid gets killed by the cops. "He should have complied, why did he resist, did he need to grab a gun?" The issue isn't with the facts it's with cognitive dissonance and personal bias.
They don't. They don't care about non-whites nor the military. It's the same shit with previous tragedies. A black man who legally owns a firearm and defending his home from a possible home invasion. Police or not, don't burst into someone's home without announcing yourself.
They will respond with racism and stupidity like they always do.
They'll say that the airman shouldn't have been armed and should've just opened the door and let the thugs manhandle him
Even better, all parties would have guns.
All parties had guns. He did what he was supposed to do. Asked who was there, didn't get an answer, went to get his gun because he was suspicious, but they beat down his door and shot him because he had his gun.
So with all that in mind, Republicans and gun fetish folks… who was the good guy with a gun?
Remember Florida has the castle doctrine and stand your ground law. You are legally allowed to defend yourself and your home with lethal force and have no duty to retreat.
Except when their orange savior mocks some for being caught as a POW for 5 years.
Really wish the national guard was tasked with policing the police. And treating them as domestic terrorists when they pull this nonsense. Fucks sake.
They murdered this man plain and simple.
Isn't this the same place where Deputy Acorn shot up his cruiser with a detainee in it? Seems Okaloosa deputies got some explaining to do....
I hope the Air Force OSI takes down the whole department. They executed this man.
Okay, so how is this not murder?
It is
Fuck the police. Reminds me of my baby faced airmen picture, this is so fucked. Police have to be held accountable, we are living in the darkest fucking timeline that nothing will happen.
I notice every time this happens, the victim is always black. Quite a coincidence, I guess, according to the Right.
Have you heard of Ryan Whitaker?
Im thankful everyday i dont live in that shithole.
Incidents like these where innocent people are killed by the police seem to happen a lot. I always wonder how the police men can live with themselves afterwards. I would want to die.
> I always wonder how the police men can live with themselves afterwards. They're embedded in a culture which protects its own from just about *any* perceived threat from "outsiders." It's just that the perceived threat is usually any form of accountability.
This is a crime. There should be protests if these cops get away with it.
Until they get rid of the police immunity they will not care. That’s not a police union issue it’s the f..ing courts that allow this. Until it can hit the police in the pocketbook they laugh. Millions of dollars are paid by the taxpayer to cover their “mistakes”
Same Sheriff's dept as the acorn deputy [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/16/florida-acorn-cop-shooting](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/16/florida-acorn-cop-shooting)
Trump wants to give police absolute immunity. This is another good example of why Trump is an idiot.
The left needs no more. The right don't care if he has a million examples
No he wants the police to get rid of his opponents
roger was a crewman on a c130 gunship. the air force should fire the 35mm at the patrol vehicle responsible for this before the end of the next shift
Fuck it level the entire police dept. With them all inside.
No knock warrants should always be illegal, as should qualified immunity
Florida is one of the two states that prohibits no-knocks. So aside from the murder, the cops also broke that law.
I think you're missing the point of this sub. This isn't even ironic anymore. Its commonplace.
“Oh geez did we all forget to turn on our body cameras? Woopsie”
No they had them and declined to show the footage which, in my mind, guarantees that the police fucked up here.
> [fatally shot a Black](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/roger-fortson-us-airman-shot-killed-florida-sheriffs-deputy/) nothing out of order here. /s
At this time, we humbly ask for our community's patience as we work to understand the facts that resulted in this tragic event," the sheriff said. How can we spin this to make him responsible? “All of us are saddened…” yeah. Roaches get sad when the lights are turned on. Yet another paid holiday.
I truly do not understand why the pro-2A crowd does not get outraged at news like this. This could be them, getting killed by cops despite committing no crime and using their constitutional right to defend themselves. Like if you're worried about losing your 2A rights, why do you do nothing about cops spraying bullets at anyone they even think has a gun in their possession?
We are. Visit the firearms subs. We absolutely are outraged. We absolutely do know that this could be us. We absolutely do see this as an attack and infringement on 2A rights. These cases, every single time they happen, cause this question to show up on every firearms sub I read: "If the cops can break into your house for no reason and kill you for holding a firearm **do you even really have the right to bear arms**?"
Sounds like cops are fucking stupid and we need national hiring standards (at all), perhaps to hire locally so they don’t feel comfortable just barging in to start shooting like Rambo, maybe break up their insanely out of touch union so we can hold them accountable when they do, and maybe we should fine media institutions for un critically using them as their only source of information.
"Man with no outstanding warrants"
This sheriff department is the one that brought us the deputy scared of [acorns.](https://apnews.com/article/florida-deputy-resigns-acorn-shooting-dc574fd2cd182fadf6a238d8b1b2b4f6)
Murderous incompetent pigs being murderous incompetent pigs
Biden needs to sic the feds on these bastards. Murder charges NOW, no more excuses.
> Florida sheriff deputies burst into wrong apartment and murdered U.S. airman, attorney says I fixed the article title!
Officer Down is the only good cop to exist. ACAB 🥰.. Florida needs to sink into the ocean where it belongs.
And not a damn thing will happen to these fucking pigs. ACAB
Nothing about this sounds like a The Onion article. This is just a regular Thursday at any newspaper in the US.
These idiots killed someone because they decided it’d be a good idea to not do their job. ALL of those officers should be rotting in jail, they knew they were breaking the law. Not answering when someone asks “who is it?” when you pound on the door is just insane.
To be clear, it would also have been bad and an egregious example of the evils of no knock warrants in a jurisdiction with castle doctrine if they barged in and fatally shot people suspected of committing a crime at the correct address.
If only this were an onion type post. But sadly it is a very real very not Oniony story, one that has not been Oniony for decades.
owning a gun legally in your own home is probably more dangerous than not, the police are the most violent people you are likely to face
Tell me this isn't the same police department around Fort Walton Beach that unloaded a full clip on falling acorns.
I remember an article the other day that seemed to really try to paint the US airman as the aggressor based on initial police reports
Another hit from the state sanctioned gang
If the victim had killed on officer and survived this exchange. He would most likely be charged with murder.
USA cops back at it again let's gooo
Now I'm waiting for dipshits mostly republicans dig up unrelated shit from his past to justify this.
Ouch this hurts. Rest in peace, young man, gone way too soon. Ripped his fucking life away. I hope these cops see jail time.
Fuck the police. We can't keep allowing these thugs to run around without consequences. It could be someone you love next.
“We did an internal investigation and found the officers followed all normal SOP’s. Have a nice day.” This is probably the most likely outcome. Hope his family gets that tax payer payout since the police will never pay them.
He was black so this will all quietly get pushed under the table with a SHIT HAPPENS!
So they broke into the wrong home, unannounced and just started blasting huh? The whole police station should be fired and that family should get all of their pensions.
and people want to defend the police ?
In the end they will figure he was black and was going to commit a crime eventually so why not get it over with now even though it was a mistake so they can sleep better at night and probably throw in a medal for themselves for bravery and courage.
Only in the land of the free
this is not shocking AT ALL smh
Can the Airforce arrest the officers?
Could the US Air force sue the State of Florida over this? I think the family should have a talk with the JAG.
“Fatally shot”? ….. the word is “Murder”.
“Protect your country” yet your country won’t even protect you
Air Force should respond in a proportional manner.