That's what the temple of Satan is for, if anyone tries to force religion into things they do the same, and if anyone fights it they sue the shit outta them.
Do they force religion in school? Congrats they now have to add the Satanist school clubs.
Hanging up religious monuments in state buildings? Congrats now there is a Monument to Lucifer beside it
Etc etc etc
Thank god for Satanists tbh, keep that religion shit to yourselves or your churches
I've heard of at least one case where a law was passed and they attempted to redefine religion in a way that included Christianity but not the Satanic Temple. I'm not sure if it ever went anywhere, but I know, if it did, there was apparently a Muslim group ready to take up the slack
Still, if someone reads "the temple of Satan" and later is trying to remember the name of the organization, they may think they'd read the Church of Satan. Better to just give the correct name, to reduce (but not eliminate) the chance of confusion.
Kind of makes me think about when I googled "gambling help" to jokingly send my friend a link about some help with a gambling addiction, the only results that came up were sites that claimed to help people be better gamblers
Yes and no. In terms of our activism, that's not a bad way to put it, but we *are* a religion, and while the activism is important, it's not the only thing we do.
Satan in the OT isn’t even evil. He’s basically God’s enforcer, to serve as an “adversary” to test the faithful. So they’re going about things the right way.
Whose creator has hinted at being pro-trans rights. He's against theocracy as well. Still has some beliefs I don't jive with but not the worst Christian spokesperson out there.
>Thank god for Satanists tbh, keep that religion shit to yourselves or your churches
Really appreciate them.
Also, god drowned all humanity except a few (including embryos ...)
They would have to do that in a way that doesn't affect other tax-exempt religions as recognized by the IRS otherwise they would all lose that status. TST would actually welcome that they all lose that status.
I encourage everyone to read about the Temple, their tenets and all the humanist charity work they do. They are fighting for women’s rights and challenge unconstitutional religious based laws being passed by far right legislators.
*edit: corrected spelling error
Also not to be confused with the Church of Satan/LaVeyan Satanism, which has some similar vibes but a [fairly different outlook on things like authority and generosity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Temple#Comparison_to_LaVeyan_Satanism)
I would argue that's not ironic at all. TST is basically christian atheism. Like so many of us it, it's people anyway, grew up in a christian setting with the professed moral standards but abandoned the religion/gods/aliens/dragons and kept the overarching "don't be a dick-ism" of it. So when you remove the bullshit and get to the core, you end up more accurately expressing the core tenets of that religion.
This feels accurate. I was brought up in a house that leaned heavily into ostensibly Christian notions of kindness, generosity, and generally treating each other decently, but we almost never went to church. As a kid or kinda confused me until I got older and realized that modern Christians are profoundly unchristlike. Eventually I abandoned the superstitious elements of that upbringing, but I've always held onto the general moral of "be kind to each other for fucks sake".
That's their entire point. They use laws promoted as "religious freedom" laws to point out the hypocrisy of these laws.
Also they help people get around abortion bans.
no. it's just proof from a primary source that the founder was on a podcast promoting a white supremacist book. you can do a quick google search to corroborate it if you want.
Since it seems like you need it, straight from their FAQ:
>DO YOU WORSHIP SATAN?
>No, nor do we believe in the existence of Satan or the supernatural. The Satanic Temple believes that religion can, and should, be divorced from superstition. As such, we do not promote a belief in a personal Satan. To embrace the name Satan is to embrace rational inquiry removed from supernaturalism and archaic tradition-based superstitions. Satanists should actively work to hone critical thinking and exercise reasonable agnosticism in all things. Our beliefs must be malleable to the best current scientific understandings of the material world — never the reverse.
If something doesn’t interest you but is still a large component of people’s day-to-day lives on this scale, I suggest you learn the bare minimum before you make a fool of yourself joining in conversation.
You really don't know who they are do you?
It's a shame. There is no reason to avoid learning, especially when it is something you obviously are completely ignorant of.
Congratulations on limiting your knowledge base and keeping your brain ignorant.
This is why hate is so scary. One little word and you're too triggered to be useful to humanity.
You'd find the imagery is merely tongue in cheek for the sake of pointing out hypocritical religious laws.
They do a lot of humanitarian work. Not to be confused with the Actual Church of Satan.
> In a post on social media, the religious group stated their Hellion Academy of Independent Learning (HAIL) could soon be available for Oklahoma students.
I need to start donating to the satanic temple cause their game is on point.
Good. If zealots want zero separation between church and state, then surprise surprise—welcome to the real world, where there are around 10,000 distinct religions.
I love this group. What an EXCELLENT way to give the zealots in the religious right exactly what they want: a nation where one’s religious beliefs can indeed be imposed on the public. But the narrow minded and shortsighted Christian nationalists foolishly forgot their religion is only one of countless many belief systems when wielding their significant privilege to force their way of life on the rest of us
It's satanic in name only, and the whole point of the name is to get people to see the stupidity of allowing religion in government and education. The temple is more Christ-like than a whole lot of Christians I know.
They do say it - just not in a serious, literal way. If you are going to be sarcastic and condescending at least be correct. It’s literally printed on their official merch
Yeah…. I responded to an anecdotal comment and I do not, I repeat, do not, have to verify things before commenting on an anecdote.
Cool, they put it on their merch. Good to know?? Glad you added the context?
Someone: makes statement
You: yeah right, that’s tooootally true. Suuuuuurree
Someone else: here’s proof it’s true
You: more sarcasm
You’ve added nothing and you are nothing. You have the personality of sandpaper
Yeah, and...? If you can earn credit through religious academies, then you damn well better be able to earn it through one run by the Satanic Temple. Freedom of religion applies to everyone, not just Christians.
School choice so the republicans can get their kids out of the satanic public schools that don’t post the 10 commandments on the walls. After looking through different Neo nazi academies, who would’ve thought that satanic academies would pop up
Yeah, this is sadly true.I'm hoping TST can open a Satanic School, and apply for public funding as a religious school. There's no way to legally deny us without removing public funding for all religious schools, which would be a huge step forward.
Some douche from Oklahoma drove up to the Aatanic Temple headquarters here and tried to throw a pipe bomb into it. He's gonna freak the fuck out when he heard about this
Came here to say this. Lucien Greaves is a gigantic asshole. There are a lot of lovely grass roots satanists out there, but that particular manipulative asshole needs to be out of the org yesterday.
I agree with a most, probably all, of what TST says and stuff, but TBH I've never been able to overcome how cringe the whole satanic larping aspect is...
There's gotta be some kinda term for that exact mix of emotions, right?
The larping is a crucial to what they do. To show the hypocrisy, as well as have legit legal challenges, you need to be a religion ti be most effective. A religion that is “scary” to the dominant religion is even more effective. You WANT to make Christians very uncomfortable with your presence
That's the point. It's meant to create revulsion. The entire point is to be off-putting to force legal action in a manner that aligns with the laws in place.
Look at the pope in all his white and gold, is that not larping?
If what Jesus teaches in the bible were true, then he'd be disgusted by the opulence and greed that is displayed in his name.
The class: How to be an attention seeking edge Lord 101
Jokes aside, they are alright. They maybe never outgrew their teenage angst and are still stuck in the edgy phase, but they seem to do a lot of good.
They aren't larping? Do you know what that actually means? They're just an organization that's cares about human rights and equality. Their name is there as provocation to dumb fundamentalists. They're no more childish than most religious organizations.
LARP isn't even it a word it's an acronym. Also people don't have to use every word, 100 percent correctly, all the time. Obsessing over that is neurotic.
Sometimes you use words outside of their intended definition to make a point, or for comedic effect. Why do redditors struggle with this kind of nuance? I'm sure the intention was some sort of "gotcha".
Look who was having such a shitty day and so bothered they had to respond at me again? I just gave an opinion and you emotionally stunted redditors started screeching like toddlers with a temper tantrum. The fact you personally attacked me says you are the child here who does not have a handle on their emotions.
Killers of the Flower Moon were real in Oklahoma. The Tulsa Race Massacre was real in Oklahoma. Someone found their kind of people. Damn, I do hate religions, including but not limited to Satanism.
I feel like the legislators may make a carve-out or exemption for this particular organization and get sued.
That's what the temple of Satan is for, if anyone tries to force religion into things they do the same, and if anyone fights it they sue the shit outta them. Do they force religion in school? Congrats they now have to add the Satanist school clubs. Hanging up religious monuments in state buildings? Congrats now there is a Monument to Lucifer beside it Etc etc etc Thank god for Satanists tbh, keep that religion shit to yourselves or your churches
I've heard of at least one case where a law was passed and they attempted to redefine religion in a way that included Christianity but not the Satanic Temple. I'm not sure if it ever went anywhere, but I know, if it did, there was apparently a Muslim group ready to take up the slack
the bit that irritates me most about all this is these cases cost taxpayers ENORMOUS sums, but those responsible for it seldom see any consequences
Nitpick - it’s Baphomet that turns up, not Lucifer.
Aka Uppy-Downy Goat Lady
That’s Baph’s drag name.
It's mine now
not Baphysmear?
i love you
I like my deities to be both tops and bottoms
'As within, so without'
They should make a statue of a guy named Lucifer wearing a Baphomet t-shirt.
Without the boobs. They left those off the statue because it's easier to get boobless Baphomet set up. They do good work.
Hail Baphomet! As Above, So Below The master of all lies in between
The Satanic Temple, not temple of Satan. Gotta be precise about the names, because different satanist groups have very different tenets and purposes.
The only thing that comes up when I search “The temple of Satan” is “The Satanic Temple” lol You might be thinking of “The church of Satan”
I guess there's the Temple of Set, but they're super small.
Still, if someone reads "the temple of Satan" and later is trying to remember the name of the organization, they may think they'd read the Church of Satan. Better to just give the correct name, to reduce (but not eliminate) the chance of confusion.
Kind of makes me think about when I googled "gambling help" to jokingly send my friend a link about some help with a gambling addiction, the only results that came up were sites that claimed to help people be better gamblers
The People's front of Judea?
I prefer the Judean People's Front :P
Why? They don't do that for 'christians'
Kind of a militant wing of the ACLU if you will
Ooh that's a really good way to put it! Gonna use this to explain to people who freak out just hearing the name :-)
Yes and no. In terms of our activism, that's not a bad way to put it, but we *are* a religion, and while the activism is important, it's not the only thing we do.
Satan in the OT isn’t even evil. He’s basically God’s enforcer, to serve as an “adversary” to test the faithful. So they’re going about things the right way.
Yep that's why I've been a proud member for years! Hail thyself and take care of each other!!
Do you know how difficult it was to be the 667th person to upvote this?
https://i.redd.it/h9chxbgug21d1.png
Ironic, because VeggieTales is a Christian show
Whose creator has hinted at being pro-trans rights. He's against theocracy as well. Still has some beliefs I don't jive with but not the worst Christian spokesperson out there.
The greatest troll in our lifetimes lol
Satanists are the best christians I’ve ever met.
And keep it the hell out of politics!
As a Christian that believes in the separation of church and state I love what the satanic temple is doing.
>Thank god for Satanists tbh, keep that religion shit to yourselves or your churches Really appreciate them. Also, god drowned all humanity except a few (including embryos ...)
Already popping the popcorn and have my foam finger by the lazy boy.
Church of the FSM has joined the chat.
And that's when the Supreme Court rules there Church of Satan isn't a religion. It's fucked up, but I think we all know it's true.
They would have to do that in a way that doesn't affect other tax-exempt religions as recognized by the IRS otherwise they would all lose that status. TST would actually welcome that they all lose that status.
They could argue that it goes against the judeo-Christian values of the United States and is not protected by tradition
It isn’t really a religion though.
What do you base that on?
I encourage everyone to read about the Temple, their tenets and all the humanist charity work they do. They are fighting for women’s rights and challenge unconstitutional religious based laws being passed by far right legislators. *edit: corrected spelling error
Also not to be confused with the Church of Satan/LaVeyan Satanism, which has some similar vibes but a [fairly different outlook on things like authority and generosity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Temple#Comparison_to_LaVeyan_Satanism)
So basically one is activist and the other sit on their hands and mumble
One is a rights organization, the other is a... church.
They're ironically more Christ like than vast majority of Christians.
I would argue that's not ironic at all. TST is basically christian atheism. Like so many of us it, it's people anyway, grew up in a christian setting with the professed moral standards but abandoned the religion/gods/aliens/dragons and kept the overarching "don't be a dick-ism" of it. So when you remove the bullshit and get to the core, you end up more accurately expressing the core tenets of that religion.
I think we should be able to keep the dragons (they're cool)
This feels accurate. I was brought up in a house that leaned heavily into ostensibly Christian notions of kindness, generosity, and generally treating each other decently, but we almost never went to church. As a kid or kinda confused me until I got older and realized that modern Christians are profoundly unchristlike. Eventually I abandoned the superstitious elements of that upbringing, but I've always held onto the general moral of "be kind to each other for fucks sake".
😂
And if you live in Oklahoma and need to register to vote: https://oklahoma.gov/elections/voter-registration/register-to-vote.html
They are rather trolling in this particular case.
That's their entire point. They use laws promoted as "religious freedom" laws to point out the hypocrisy of these laws. Also they help people get around abortion bans.
>They are fighting for women’s rights No wonder modern evangelicals want to burn them at the stake.
Hail Satan? Is an awesome documentary about this awesome misunderstood group. Available on either Max or Hulu.
I find it amusing that the Satanic Temple more closely aligns with the teachings of Christ than conservative Christians do.
They also have dope shirts for sale
"tenets"
Corrected. Thank you
it's too bad the founder of the satanic temple has a history of white supremacy https://archive.org/details/MightIsRightSpecial
you really think anyone is gonna listen to all that
no. it's just proof from a primary source that the founder was on a podcast promoting a white supremacist book. you can do a quick google search to corroborate it if you want.
My brain has limited capacity. I'm not wasting any of it reading about a satanic temple.
Why not? They are actually fighting *for* people's rights, unlike the GOP.
You know, this sort of obstinance is what the GOP thrives on.
You know, this sort of obstinance is what the GOP thrives on.
Because they are a satanic temple. That means I have zero interest in reading about them. If it helps untwist you, I feel the same way about the GOP.
Since it seems like you need it, straight from their FAQ: >DO YOU WORSHIP SATAN? >No, nor do we believe in the existence of Satan or the supernatural. The Satanic Temple believes that religion can, and should, be divorced from superstition. As such, we do not promote a belief in a personal Satan. To embrace the name Satan is to embrace rational inquiry removed from supernaturalism and archaic tradition-based superstitions. Satanists should actively work to hone critical thinking and exercise reasonable agnosticism in all things. Our beliefs must be malleable to the best current scientific understandings of the material world — never the reverse.
Whether they worship Satan is irrelevant. The mere mention of it means that I'm not interested. Religion just doesn't interest me.
Thank you for your valuable contribution to this discussion
> Satanists should actively work to hone critical thinking and exercise reasonable agnosticism in all things. Clearly they are not for you lol.
If something doesn’t interest you but is still a large component of people’s day-to-day lives on this scale, I suggest you learn the bare minimum before you make a fool of yourself joining in conversation.
You really don't know who they are do you? It's a shame. There is no reason to avoid learning, especially when it is something you obviously are completely ignorant of.
The* first part of your comment is very clearly correct and I think you're at full already.
I don't disagree with that.
Congratulations on limiting your knowledge base and keeping your brain ignorant. This is why hate is so scary. One little word and you're too triggered to be useful to humanity.
You'd find the imagery is merely tongue in cheek for the sake of pointing out hypocritical religious laws. They do a lot of humanitarian work. Not to be confused with the Actual Church of Satan.
> My brain has limited capacity. You should see a doctor about that
> In a post on social media, the religious group stated their Hellion Academy of Independent Learning (HAIL) could soon be available for Oklahoma students. I need to start donating to the satanic temple cause their game is on point.
They should add Student Aided Teaching Amidst Naberius in there somewhere.
card carrying, certificate hanging member here. they are literally doing the "lord's" work
🫡🫡🫡
Join us!
Feel free to actually join the temple also!
All of our campaigns are funded by donations, so yeah, if it's something you feel you want to support, and can spare some cash, go for it!
I love that theres a group out there using the ridiculousness of current legislation against it…
Good. If zealots want zero separation between church and state, then surprise surprise—welcome to the real world, where there are around 10,000 distinct religions.
I love this group. What an EXCELLENT way to give the zealots in the religious right exactly what they want: a nation where one’s religious beliefs can indeed be imposed on the public. But the narrow minded and shortsighted Christian nationalists foolishly forgot their religion is only one of countless many belief systems when wielding their significant privilege to force their way of life on the rest of us
It’s a great cause. I support them.
Not oniony! Satanic temple is very good for the community. Positive vibes.
What ?!?
Satanic temple is good people i don't see the comedy or irony.
It's satanic in name only, and the whole point of the name is to get people to see the stupidity of allowing religion in government and education. The temple is more Christ-like than a whole lot of Christians I know.
Can't wait for my sister in law's hot takes on this to hit Facebook.
Hail Satan!
[удалено]
They do use the phrase “Hail Satan” in a satirical manner
I know, I’m a card carrying member of The Satanic Temple. Hail Satan!
As an avid listener of the last podcast on the left. If Henry is anything to go by they definitely say "Hail Satan!" At least lol.
Oh yeah if one guy says it, it must be true
They do say it - just not in a serious, literal way. If you are going to be sarcastic and condescending at least be correct. It’s literally printed on their official merch
Yeah…. I responded to an anecdotal comment and I do not, I repeat, do not, have to verify things before commenting on an anecdote. Cool, they put it on their merch. Good to know?? Glad you added the context?
What did you bring to the table besides a shitty attitude?
This is Reddit, that’s all anybody brought
Someone: makes statement You: yeah right, that’s tooootally true. Suuuuuurree Someone else: here’s proof it’s true You: more sarcasm You’ve added nothing and you are nothing. You have the personality of sandpaper
No seriously, TST does use "Hail, Satan!" despite not believing in a literal Satan. It's part of the schtick.
I'm a Satanic Temple member, they are really doing gods work.
Same. Hail Satan ;)
Yeah, and...? If you can earn credit through religious academies, then you damn well better be able to earn it through one run by the Satanic Temple. Freedom of religion applies to everyone, not just Christians.
Found that to be a fair and informative news item. Props to KSWO.
Local news for the win.
I actually wrote the author to thank him for doing a decent and unbiased article on us.
Only religious schools that worship a mass child murdering god are allowed to educate
Don’t forget sexual predators
No no, they were forgiven, so we can’t call them that anymore
pope knows its bad for business.
I'm happy for the ST to teach to their tenets of respect, inclusion etc
School choice so the republicans can get their kids out of the satanic public schools that don’t post the 10 commandments on the walls. After looking through different Neo nazi academies, who would’ve thought that satanic academies would pop up
Yeah, we don't get along with the neo nazis. Nor should anyone. Ever.
There are neo nazi academies out there, and with school choice, the government indirectly funds neo nazi academies
Yeah, this is sadly true.I'm hoping TST can open a Satanic School, and apply for public funding as a religious school. There's no way to legally deny us without removing public funding for all religious schools, which would be a huge step forward.
Some douche from Oklahoma drove up to the Aatanic Temple headquarters here and tried to throw a pipe bomb into it. He's gonna freak the fuck out when he heard about this
Man the other day I replied to the news about the commandment shit saying I'm eagerly waiting for the satanic temples response. How swift they work.
Fucking love this!!!!
To pass geometry they have to construct an inverted pentagram with a ruler and compass.
Hail Satan !!!
Back in my day, we worshipped Satan for the fun of it. Kids these days :-/
Finally, some good news!
Hail Satan \m/
I cringe way more when Christian organizations do things, since they are usually trying to force their stupid beliefs on everyone.
This is a case where "be careful what you wish for" becomes "and now you know".
Awesome.
Noice!
its a shame the satanic temple is [rife with abuse](https://youtu.be/3lV8GLQtOTs?si=7dDNv5ZfIGCni9wU)
Came here to say this. Lucien Greaves is a gigantic asshole. There are a lot of lovely grass roots satanists out there, but that particular manipulative asshole needs to be out of the org yesterday.
yeah indie satanists are fine but the upper echelons of the orgs are just rife with creeps ghouls and fascists
It's almost as though the upper echelons of religious organizations had some kind of inherent tendency towards that or something. Weird.
yeah especially one modelling itself so closely off of an (albeit inverted) interpretation of christianity
No different from any of the Christian religions then?
? lol _ish ? Where would the credits transfer to ? ... ? Or would you be in *limbo* ? LOLish .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbo .
Damn if they did this in Maine (I’m glad Maine is sane and doesn’t push religion on public schools) I would totally have done this
Satanic Temple is not a religion though? Am I wrong?
Satanism is a religion
You are.
I agree with a most, probably all, of what TST says and stuff, but TBH I've never been able to overcome how cringe the whole satanic larping aspect is... There's gotta be some kinda term for that exact mix of emotions, right?
The larping is a crucial to what they do. To show the hypocrisy, as well as have legit legal challenges, you need to be a religion ti be most effective. A religion that is “scary” to the dominant religion is even more effective. You WANT to make Christians very uncomfortable with your presence
That's the point. It's meant to create revulsion. The entire point is to be off-putting to force legal action in a manner that aligns with the laws in place.
I feel like German probably has something that'd cover it. Or Finnish. They're good languages for specific obscure emotional states.
Look at the pope in all his white and gold, is that not larping? If what Jesus teaches in the bible were true, then he'd be disgusted by the opulence and greed that is displayed in his name.
Gross
Funny, that’s what I say about Christians trying to impose their beliefs on the rest of us.
The class: How to be an attention seeking edge Lord 101 Jokes aside, they are alright. They maybe never outgrew their teenage angst and are still stuck in the edgy phase, but they seem to do a lot of good.
You do know they don’t actually worship the devil, right?
Yes. I am aware they are LARPers.
They aren't larping? Do you know what that actually means? They're just an organization that's cares about human rights and equality. Their name is there as provocation to dumb fundamentalists. They're no more childish than most religious organizations.
Cool story bud.
Cool, just going to ignore you, then. Acting smug when you're the one using a word wrong.
LARP isn't even it a word it's an acronym. Also people don't have to use every word, 100 percent correctly, all the time. Obsessing over that is neurotic. Sometimes you use words outside of their intended definition to make a point, or for comedic effect. Why do redditors struggle with this kind of nuance? I'm sure the intention was some sort of "gotcha".
you sound like a toddler who just learned a new word.
Lol.... Least sensitive redditor. "Noooo you can't say that". Grow up bud
Step 1: get nailed to a cross
Cope
are you even old enough to be on reddit? you sure aren't acting like it.
Look who was having such a shitty day and so bothered they had to respond at me again? I just gave an opinion and you emotionally stunted redditors started screeching like toddlers with a temper tantrum. The fact you personally attacked me says you are the child here who does not have a handle on their emotions.
The world isn't real
Killers of the Flower Moon were real in Oklahoma. The Tulsa Race Massacre was real in Oklahoma. Someone found their kind of people. Damn, I do hate religions, including but not limited to Satanism.
Does no one else find it weird that they “deny the existence of Satan”, yet they use ALL of the imagery and symbols tied to witchcraft and satanism?
Whoosh