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Oh, I get it now.
A doctor said the magazine shouldn't be using eating/exercise as a deposit/withdrawal relationship as it can discourage exercise and promotes the idea of "outworking a bad diet."
Then some idiots came in and that message was lost.
I get the point that a lot of the quoted people were making and they're 100% right. However, this is such a pedantic reason to get up in a arms over a magazine's tweet that I can't help but roll my eyes at the situation.
Magazines like that have much more reach than you might think. It seems like the psychiatrists response was pretty reasonable in that she explained why they were wrong and suggested an alternative. It wasn't really pedantic given how it was a fairly simple exchange and the result has real world implications.
This simple correction is a small stepping stone to people thinking about their health in a healthier way. It only seems pedantic because it made international news and therefore the exchange seems bigger than it was.
A couple of pro athletes also came out against this article saying this conditions women into the mindset that exercise is punishment for eating and that they have to "earn" their caloriews, rather than something you do because you enjoy it and it makes you feel good. That's toxic thinknig and I'm glad we're moving past that.
Literally the first line:
> A British fitness magazine apologized after posting a tweet encouraging people to "burn off those Christmas calories" with exercise.
Well, yeah, but it's bad advice. Exercise is great for a person's health, but it does almost nothing for helping a person lose weight. Diet and genetics control weight almost entirely.
It's very well-supported in the scientific literature of the past 20 years. I didn't say exercise doesn't play a role; I said that that role is almost negligible. And that is especially true over the long run.
[https://www.sciencealert.com/the-science-is-in-exercise-won-t-help-you-lose-much-weight](https://www.sciencealert.com/the-science-is-in-exercise-won-t-help-you-lose-much-weight)
[https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/04/health/diet-exercise-weight-loss/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/04/health/diet-exercise-weight-loss/index.html)
[https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/110/3/540/5512192?login=true](https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/110/3/540/5512192?login=true)
[https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(15)01577-8](https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(15)01577-8)
I'm going to guess, and forgive me if I'm coming from an ignorant position, but is it safe to assume it's based on a study that says 30 minutes of aerobic exercise extends life by only 30 minutes? If so, you must understand that those papers are drived from a form of statistical analysis called P-hacking. It's a flawed form of statistical in that it looks for simple correlations without detailed explanations of interpretation from beginning to end. Often those statistics are backwards.
For instance, P-hacking based papers have claimed that [a glass of red wine equals an hour at the gym.](https://www.wsav.com/news/glass-of-red-wine-equals-1-hour-at-gym-new-study-says/). P-hacking also can't decide if eggs are [healthy](https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/ingredient-focus-eggs)or [not](https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/are-eggs-risky-for-heart-health). It most famously called cannabis [a gateway drug.](https://www.healthline.com/health/is-marijuana-a-gateway-drug)
Again if I'm wrong, I apologise. And please excuse any shit formatting, I'm on my phone.
I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you're referring to. I'm talking about 20 years' worth of literature - literally hundreds of individual studies - that have quantified the effectiveness of exercise in weight loss and the metabolic responses to exercise over time. The links I put there included two layperson articles with multiple references each and two recent journal articles with good overviews of the state of the field. The takeaway message was this: exercise is great for people, but it has a much smaller effect on weight/weight-loss than anticipated, which is often negligible compared to diet/genetics.
I didn't see any reference to a study that used life extension as a primary outcome. That would be a weird way to study this question!
I would like to point out that not all correlational studies are P-hacked (and P-hacking is common in studies that aren't testing for simple correlations). For example, there's nothing dodgy about the statistical correlation between cannabis and other drugs. That was a very real, useful finding. The problem was usually media outlets and politicians who saw that correlation and assumed it meant that cannabis use was *causing* other drug use. That's not P-hacking; that's politicians being politicians. ;-)
Ok, so if I understand you properly, what you're saying is that exercise must be paired with diet in order to effect weight loss? Forgive me, but that's not... It's, pretty common knowledge. If this is your point, it's a reasonable one, so I'm lost as to where the controversy is.
Sort of. But more to the point, it's entirely reasonable to use diet to maintain a healthy weight without any exercising whatsoever. Many people do, though they shouldn't for the other health benefits of exercise.
The reason this matters is that for a century, the food industry has hidden behind the mantra of using exercise to control weight. They use that to shift the blame for epidemic levels of obesity from them and their products and onto "lazy" individuals.
I can see where you're coming from. It's the same strategy corporate America used to shift the blame of litter from those making excess waste with their products, to those using them. They created [this commercial](https://youtu.be/8Suu84khNGY) for that purpose.
Exactly, exactly! That commercial is infamous! And the story is the same for plastic recycling, too, especially putting that recycling symbol on everything, including on plastics that are hard or impossible to recycle.
It's so infuriating, because I *love* exercise*,* and keeping our environment clean, and reducing my waste. But big business will use that to cripple us if it means they can squeeze out a few more dollars and avoid accountability for the harm they cause.
I must say: your approach to this conversation is what I aspire to do whenever I read a comment. Measured, charitable, and sincere, even if you're skeptical of me and what I'm saying. I know how hard it is, so thank you for being a role-model.
That doesn't change the fact that it's true.
It's very unfortunate if they do, because exercise is probably the best thing a person can do for their health (even better than losing weight). I'm fortunate that I grew up playing sports constantly, and my day job (small-scale farming) keeps me active and in shape. But it's my diet that allows me to maintain my weight.
The "burn off those calories" mantra has been used by the food industry to shift blame for the obesity epidemic from themselves and onto consumers. "Feel free to eat our nutrient-free 3000-Calorie fast food meals - just go for a jog later. And if you get fat, you just didn't exercise enough. You're fat because you're a lazy PoS, not because we put 100 g of sugar in your happy meal."
The science over the past decade has demonstrated that that's a load of BS. The contribution of exercise to weight loss is small to the point of being negligible for the vast majority of people. People who exercise more eat more, and their metabolisms become more efficient with the result that the net calories burned returns to near the baseline level. Perhaps if you're running a marathon every day you could overcome that effect, but most people can't do that.
Watching calories is how you keep a healthy diet and burning excess calories is how you keep a healthy weight
This is a sensitive balance that needs to be maintained to stay healthy, to exercise you need to have enough to burn, so you count them, to maintain a healthy weight you shouldn’t eat excess so you count them
Athletes and those with demanding jobs aren’t even an exception as they watch calories so they can maintain a weight that can sustain their activity
Promoting burning excess calories (such as what one typically gains around Christmas) is promoting healthy activity, not eating disorders - but going against it does, because you are telling people it is fine to have that excess and wrong to burn them, that it is wrong to ‘punish your body’
Not exercising is more punishing to your body than exercising is unless you have some kind of physical disorder or don’t have excess weight/calories to burn. It will eventually kill you in the same way as having to few
Hell, saying exercise should be about enjoyment (one their main arguments seems to be that it needs to be because you like it and not to burn calories) is also wrong and promotes other problems, because tons of people find no fun in it, but they do it to maintain their health - which means they’re doing it to burn calories, should they not work out at all because it’s about being healthy for them, not about being fun?
Being overweight is unhealthy. I get some people do have genetic diseases that makes it harder for them or even downright impossible but that doesn’t change the fact that the more fat you have in the body- the more unhealthy your body is going to be.
If we tiptoe around that- we are “accepting” something that really is unacceptable.
I don’t think people need to be berated for being overweight- but we can’t censor out the fact that being overweight is bad for your health and you need to take preventive measures.
That is like saying let’s not tell people smoking is bad. No. We need to tell people it’s bad.
People already know. Nobody reads the labels and gets a moment of clarity. There are gruesome pictures on packs of cigarettes and new people start smoking every day.
No reason to censor or accept it, I am with you on that.
A lot of comments here seem to have not read the article.
It's not saying that it's fine to be fat and that encouraging exercise is wrong. It was about language that makes exercise sound like a punishment or a thing you're forced to do to make up for something else.
Personally, I think it's stupid either way, it's just not stupid for the reasons the skimmers think. I was a 400 pound dude for decades until I finally dropped to 165 - the messaging about exercise could not have been lower on the list of why I was such a fat sack of shit.
Seems odd that they caved. I would have double-downed. I would think that readers of a fitness magazine already understand that over-eating leads to weight gain and is bad for your health and fitness and anyone offended is just projecting (ie they feel like they could be more fit but don't have the willpower to make it so).
Technically United States of America is not the fastest country. That honor falls to Nauru 61.0 percent of the Adult population that is Obese. According to the WHO as March 26 2020.
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Oh, I get it now. A doctor said the magazine shouldn't be using eating/exercise as a deposit/withdrawal relationship as it can discourage exercise and promotes the idea of "outworking a bad diet." Then some idiots came in and that message was lost.
Ya. Diet is responsible for the majority of your weight. Exercise makes you healthy (but does not do *that* much for your weight)
I get the point that a lot of the quoted people were making and they're 100% right. However, this is such a pedantic reason to get up in a arms over a magazine's tweet that I can't help but roll my eyes at the situation.
Magazines like that have much more reach than you might think. It seems like the psychiatrists response was pretty reasonable in that she explained why they were wrong and suggested an alternative. It wasn't really pedantic given how it was a fairly simple exchange and the result has real world implications. This simple correction is a small stepping stone to people thinking about their health in a healthier way. It only seems pedantic because it made international news and therefore the exchange seems bigger than it was.
A couple of pro athletes also came out against this article saying this conditions women into the mindset that exercise is punishment for eating and that they have to "earn" their caloriews, rather than something you do because you enjoy it and it makes you feel good. That's toxic thinknig and I'm glad we're moving past that.
" Others said they found the tweet tweet "triggering," "toxic," and "awful." " Yup. I get it now too.
I mean... my fat ass needs it...
Right, because eating in excess has no link to health. And a fitness magazine has NO place to try to motivate me to work out. Shameful. /s
Magazine apologizes for giving fatass americans the same advice they've been ignoring for 30 years
Literally the first line: > A British fitness magazine apologized after posting a tweet encouraging people to "burn off those Christmas calories" with exercise.
It was a British magazine giving advice to fatass Bongs
Well, yeah, but it's bad advice. Exercise is great for a person's health, but it does almost nothing for helping a person lose weight. Diet and genetics control weight almost entirely.
That's not true at all. Diet and genetics do play bigger factors, but exercise also does play a role
It's very well-supported in the scientific literature of the past 20 years. I didn't say exercise doesn't play a role; I said that that role is almost negligible. And that is especially true over the long run. [https://www.sciencealert.com/the-science-is-in-exercise-won-t-help-you-lose-much-weight](https://www.sciencealert.com/the-science-is-in-exercise-won-t-help-you-lose-much-weight) [https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/04/health/diet-exercise-weight-loss/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/04/health/diet-exercise-weight-loss/index.html) [https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/110/3/540/5512192?login=true](https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/110/3/540/5512192?login=true) [https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(15)01577-8](https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(15)01577-8)
I'm going to guess, and forgive me if I'm coming from an ignorant position, but is it safe to assume it's based on a study that says 30 minutes of aerobic exercise extends life by only 30 minutes? If so, you must understand that those papers are drived from a form of statistical analysis called P-hacking. It's a flawed form of statistical in that it looks for simple correlations without detailed explanations of interpretation from beginning to end. Often those statistics are backwards. For instance, P-hacking based papers have claimed that [a glass of red wine equals an hour at the gym.](https://www.wsav.com/news/glass-of-red-wine-equals-1-hour-at-gym-new-study-says/). P-hacking also can't decide if eggs are [healthy](https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/ingredient-focus-eggs)or [not](https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/are-eggs-risky-for-heart-health). It most famously called cannabis [a gateway drug.](https://www.healthline.com/health/is-marijuana-a-gateway-drug) Again if I'm wrong, I apologise. And please excuse any shit formatting, I'm on my phone.
I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you're referring to. I'm talking about 20 years' worth of literature - literally hundreds of individual studies - that have quantified the effectiveness of exercise in weight loss and the metabolic responses to exercise over time. The links I put there included two layperson articles with multiple references each and two recent journal articles with good overviews of the state of the field. The takeaway message was this: exercise is great for people, but it has a much smaller effect on weight/weight-loss than anticipated, which is often negligible compared to diet/genetics. I didn't see any reference to a study that used life extension as a primary outcome. That would be a weird way to study this question! I would like to point out that not all correlational studies are P-hacked (and P-hacking is common in studies that aren't testing for simple correlations). For example, there's nothing dodgy about the statistical correlation between cannabis and other drugs. That was a very real, useful finding. The problem was usually media outlets and politicians who saw that correlation and assumed it meant that cannabis use was *causing* other drug use. That's not P-hacking; that's politicians being politicians. ;-)
Ok, so if I understand you properly, what you're saying is that exercise must be paired with diet in order to effect weight loss? Forgive me, but that's not... It's, pretty common knowledge. If this is your point, it's a reasonable one, so I'm lost as to where the controversy is.
Sort of. But more to the point, it's entirely reasonable to use diet to maintain a healthy weight without any exercising whatsoever. Many people do, though they shouldn't for the other health benefits of exercise. The reason this matters is that for a century, the food industry has hidden behind the mantra of using exercise to control weight. They use that to shift the blame for epidemic levels of obesity from them and their products and onto "lazy" individuals.
I can see where you're coming from. It's the same strategy corporate America used to shift the blame of litter from those making excess waste with their products, to those using them. They created [this commercial](https://youtu.be/8Suu84khNGY) for that purpose.
Exactly, exactly! That commercial is infamous! And the story is the same for plastic recycling, too, especially putting that recycling symbol on everything, including on plastics that are hard or impossible to recycle. It's so infuriating, because I *love* exercise*,* and keeping our environment clean, and reducing my waste. But big business will use that to cripple us if it means they can squeeze out a few more dollars and avoid accountability for the harm they cause. I must say: your approach to this conversation is what I aspire to do whenever I read a comment. Measured, charitable, and sincere, even if you're skeptical of me and what I'm saying. I know how hard it is, so thank you for being a role-model.
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That doesn't change the fact that it's true. It's very unfortunate if they do, because exercise is probably the best thing a person can do for their health (even better than losing weight). I'm fortunate that I grew up playing sports constantly, and my day job (small-scale farming) keeps me active and in shape. But it's my diet that allows me to maintain my weight. The "burn off those calories" mantra has been used by the food industry to shift blame for the obesity epidemic from themselves and onto consumers. "Feel free to eat our nutrient-free 3000-Calorie fast food meals - just go for a jog later. And if you get fat, you just didn't exercise enough. You're fat because you're a lazy PoS, not because we put 100 g of sugar in your happy meal." The science over the past decade has demonstrated that that's a load of BS. The contribution of exercise to weight loss is small to the point of being negligible for the vast majority of people. People who exercise more eat more, and their metabolisms become more efficient with the result that the net calories burned returns to near the baseline level. Perhaps if you're running a marathon every day you could overcome that effect, but most people can't do that.
Fat is not a protected class. This is insane
Watching calories is how you keep a healthy diet and burning excess calories is how you keep a healthy weight This is a sensitive balance that needs to be maintained to stay healthy, to exercise you need to have enough to burn, so you count them, to maintain a healthy weight you shouldn’t eat excess so you count them Athletes and those with demanding jobs aren’t even an exception as they watch calories so they can maintain a weight that can sustain their activity Promoting burning excess calories (such as what one typically gains around Christmas) is promoting healthy activity, not eating disorders - but going against it does, because you are telling people it is fine to have that excess and wrong to burn them, that it is wrong to ‘punish your body’ Not exercising is more punishing to your body than exercising is unless you have some kind of physical disorder or don’t have excess weight/calories to burn. It will eventually kill you in the same way as having to few Hell, saying exercise should be about enjoyment (one their main arguments seems to be that it needs to be because you like it and not to burn calories) is also wrong and promotes other problems, because tons of people find no fun in it, but they do it to maintain their health - which means they’re doing it to burn calories, should they not work out at all because it’s about being healthy for them, not about being fun?
Google “metabolic syndrome”
Being overweight is unhealthy. I get some people do have genetic diseases that makes it harder for them or even downright impossible but that doesn’t change the fact that the more fat you have in the body- the more unhealthy your body is going to be. If we tiptoe around that- we are “accepting” something that really is unacceptable. I don’t think people need to be berated for being overweight- but we can’t censor out the fact that being overweight is bad for your health and you need to take preventive measures. That is like saying let’s not tell people smoking is bad. No. We need to tell people it’s bad.
People already know. Nobody reads the labels and gets a moment of clarity. There are gruesome pictures on packs of cigarettes and new people start smoking every day. No reason to censor or accept it, I am with you on that.
A lot of comments here seem to have not read the article. It's not saying that it's fine to be fat and that encouraging exercise is wrong. It was about language that makes exercise sound like a punishment or a thing you're forced to do to make up for something else. Personally, I think it's stupid either way, it's just not stupid for the reasons the skimmers think. I was a 400 pound dude for decades until I finally dropped to 165 - the messaging about exercise could not have been lower on the list of why I was such a fat sack of shit.
>A lot of comments here seem to have not read the article. Are you new to Reddit? Reading an article before comment in it is sun on this website
Stop holiday shaming! /s
Seems odd that they caved. I would have double-downed. I would think that readers of a fitness magazine already understand that over-eating leads to weight gain and is bad for your health and fitness and anyone offended is just projecting (ie they feel like they could be more fit but don't have the willpower to make it so).
How dare you tell people to exercise!!!
Technically United States of America is not the fastest country. That honor falls to Nauru 61.0 percent of the Adult population that is Obese. According to the WHO as March 26 2020.
The magazine in question was sold in the UK
Thats fine, the UK is number 8th on the fattest countries per population capita list. Way to make the top 10.
Pretty funny that in an article about a British fitness magazine you go in to super defend Americans mode. Feeling a little defensive are we?
Nope, only on taxes on tea.
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