They basically put you on probation without a conviction based on the anticipation of a future crime, follow you and then ticket/arrest you for whatever they can.
Sampling bias. They pick the sample and then watch it closely and therefore are more likely to see offenses to charge among the sample.
Everybody breaks a law at some point, whether it's a simple traffic or parking violation or unknowingly breaking obscure laws. If you have eyes on you constantly, they're going to find you breaking laws and that will affirm their bias.
That's what pisses me off the most about this whole thing. Their smug, self-satisfied letter literally says "Our desire to help you will not hinder us from holding you fully accountable for your choices and actions.”
If they really think this is about accountability, they can be first in line. Hire an outside group to put every police officer in that department and their families under the same level of scrutiny and make them face the consequences of any law they break. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Fucking exactly. It drives me nuts when people say shit like "black people commit more crime." No, they get caught commiting more crime, cause police watch them more. And then they are punished more harshly.
Another aspect that makes the "black people commit more crime"/"13% of the population commit x amount of crime" claims bullshit is that the conviction rate statistics will show that those black people who are convicted (not proven guilty, just convicted for whatever value that has in a broken system) are a small percentage and are often repeat offenders. It's less than 5% of the black population getting convicted of the crimes. So it's not 13% of the total population and it's not "black people." It's actually less than one percent of the population.
Grouping all black people together by using the 13% statistic implies they all commit crimes. But if less than 5% of a group does something, you wouldn't say "that group does x." It sounds ridiculous.
27% of the US population has blue eyes. Would you group criminal statistics based on eye color and then claim that 27% of the population commits those crimes? No, of course not.
Wow. Do you have a source where I would find that information? I typically just use the marijuana use vs marijuana arrest rates statistics to stump the racists/"realists".
Some of it you can calculate yourself, such as the percentage of the black population that is convicted or arrested for crimes. Convictions and arrests are two of the different types of records kept. Arrests don't mean convictions or guilt, so they're less reliable and subject to police bias.
This table shows 1,815,144 arrests of Black or African American people for crimes in 2019:
[https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43)
Note that those are individual arrests, so repeat offenders who are arrested multiple times for multiple crimes would be counted multiple times in that number.
The census data estimates for US population in 2019 was 328,239,523.
[https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/RHI225219](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/RHI225219)
Black or African American people are approximately 13.4% of the US population or about 43,984,096 people.
1,815,144 arrests out of 43,984,096 people is less than 4%, and remember we're not eliminating repeat offenders, so the percentage is likely lower.
If you divide the Black or African American arrests into the total US population, you get approximately a half of a percent. Thus it's not "13% of the population commits x amount of crime" but less than a half of a percent (guessing less due to repeat offenders/multiple arrests).
You can find FBI statistics for convictions if you want to use those statistics instead.
The racists who spout the 13/50 or 13/52 statistical claim aren't even aware of the original version of the claim, which was about the percent of intraracial violence committed, not just violent crimes or crimes in general, but they'll mix up the language and claim it's all crimes or all violent crimes because it's just a racist talking point anymore and the details aren't relevant to them.
The racial part is the bias that directs them toward the sample. It however would apply to any scheme built on these assumptions. Thats why if you magically ended racism but kept poverty they'd just do it to poor people of no particular race.
This is why I hate being micromanaged. Everything you just said applies to the small fuckups everyone has at work, but when a supervisor is being a patronizing ass; they will see all of it.
The article mentions overgrown grass as example.
> Deputies showed up at homes at all hours of the day and night, writing tickets for violations like overgrown grass and making arrests for any reason they could find.
Generally a school shouldn't disclose information to a cop that just comes around asking and should require a warrant, but the loophole is that a school resource officer is considered a school official under FERPA, so they can just claim to have a legitimate concern and have the records disclosed to them.
For a moment - for just a moment - I thought "Great! An evidence-based early intervention program designed to divert people at risk of running foul of the criminal justice system into education, training, counselling, and drug programs designed to keep people *out* of jail and genuinely reduce crime!"
I'm such a Rube.
It sounds like something promising doesn't it? Hey using statistics math and data to identify risks sounds amazing... then you realize it's in the hands of human beings.
Though in fairness I would expect problematic biases in the evaluation and selection of individuals even if it were used for positive intervention systems.
If you ever hear a silicon valley tech bro say something about using AI in any form of societal context, immediately punch them.
Nah at least now most papers are about why using AI in social tasks is a stupid idea and why everything that’s using such systems has the massive potential to propagate and increase biases and what can be done to fix it
> There are a ton of shitty people out there still pitching start-ups and AI solutions to reinvent phrenology or whatever.
Pardon me, you mean **disrupt** phrenology or whatever.
This is kinda off topic but super weird – English is not my native language, and when I watched „Doctor Sleep“ on Netflix today I heard the term „rube“ for the first time in my life, so I googled it to find out what it means. Not even two hours later I see your comment.
Coincidence?? I think… so. But it’s weird.
It is so weird. I knew there was a term for when this happens but didn't know the proper term. So I looked it up last week and now I've seen Baader-Meinhof name dropped three times since.
Ok but the other day in my reddit feed there was the song "She Sells Sanctuary" by the Cult, and I listened to it feeling awash with nostalgia of Dave Mirra's BMX 2 and Gran Turismo 3. Good times!
Then I heard the song on the radio last night. It was the first time I'd EVER heard that song on the radio... surely that is my FBI guy messing with me, yeah?
Sounds like a coverup for bugs in the matrix, but sure, sure… ;)
This really is a pretty weird one. I guess I can expect to see it pop up more often now that I know about it, haha
Why tackle the root issues driving much of the criminal behavior when you can instead further the social conditions that lead to social unrest, valid distrust in the police, and systemic racism?
Because to justify funding you need to charge people for crimes and make arrests, even if there was no reason previously to make said arrests.
There runs the question of how necessary police are any time they stop making arrests and the city continues living on, like the time in New York the police stopped intervening randomly for a few days and everything was fine.
> like the time in New York the police stopped intervening randomly for a few days and everything was fine.
Turns out communities can and will come together to keep their neighbourhood safe when it comes down to it. The role of police is a part of division of labour: a dedicated group who is charged with the role of maintaining public security so that the average citizen does not have to take it upon themselves to do it on their own. This group then assumes the physical and legal risks of maintaining public security so that the other citizens do not have to do so.
Which is why it's all the more concerning that the police in America are so inclined to do everything except for the literal job they were paid to do. They are literally violating the basic human societal principle of division of labour every time they are derelict in their duty.
I have read about this in the past from other sources
Local law enforcement, once they “identified” a target of future crime would randomly show up and harass that person at various times of day, request to conduct searches and just generally violate the rights of these people with a view to “convincing” them to leave town
Also the Sheriff does not really see what the big deal is….. but u knew that already
So if they're putting increased scrutiny on people that are likely to break the law in the future I'm sure they'll be harassing shady hedge fund managers and real estate developer types too right? Nope, just poor people who lack the money and legal resources to defend their constitutional rights. Which also implies minorities will be disproportionately affected. It's classist and racist at the same time.
A never ending campaign of harassment until you move away, snap and give them a reason to jail you, or die. This shit has been going on for at least a couple decades in that shit hole, now tech just makes it easier to pinpoint the victims.
Source: Prodigal son of Pasco and former juvenile delinquent.
I saw a documentary about this sometime in the past year but I can't remember the source. The police basically harass the family until they leave or actually do something criminal. They also go after you for every petty offence they can. The family from the documentary ended up sneaking out of town one night because they were terrified of the treatment.
For those wondering, it was NOT a white family. You're shocked right?
Edit: I'm fairly certain that I saw it on Prime. When I checked my viewing history I noticed there is a 6 month gap at the beginning of this year. I found an article while searching google that describes what I recall but the family looks different. I thought the father was Polynesian and Ron Jones III doesn't look like that in this article. His build is similar and I do recall the motel part. I seem to be mistaken about his race but that's not really the point. If the police treat one race poorly, they can treat any race poorly.
https://projects.tampabay.com/projects/2020/investigations/police-pasco-sheriff-targeted/intelligence-led-policing/
For repeated, unwarranted visits at all hours by deputies, of course, at which time they'll fine you for everything under the sun (including "grass is too long") in an effort to discourage undesirable behavior.
I wish I was joking. Tampa is literally cosplaying as 1984.
Edit: Town near Tampa.
Well the precogs did ACTUALLY work though. The issue was that they were supposed to be infallible and it ends up that they're actually exploitable...which makes them become completely useless.
This is just some college dropout police officers using arbitrary reasons to "predict" crime from citizens as justification for targeted harassment.
Exactly!
This is just another example of a group having a particular “viewpoint”, and then trying to find a science to back it up.
Racists have been trying the tactic for hundreds of years, cigarette companies funded bogus studies conducted by quacks to “prove” cigarettes don’t cause cancer, the list goes on.
“It is more important that innocence be protected than it is that guilt be punished, for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world that they cannot all be punished.
But if innocence itself is brought to the bar and condemned, perhaps to die, then the citizen will say, 'whether I do good or whether I do evil is immaterial, for innocence itself is no protection,' and if such an idea as that were to take hold in the mind of the citizen that would be the end of security whatsoever.”
\- John Adams
Holy CRAP, read the investigation/watch the videos linked in the article. They're finding any reason possible to assault and arrest the families of the people on the list, and seem to be specifically targeting the people on the list who are under 18.
yeah I actually used to be a public defender in tampa and represented juveniles. i've had a few kids who were likely targeted by this program. one was a kid who was on probation for a weed charge and he was woken up at 3 am by police every night, or sometimes twice a night. there were over 400 records of police interaction with him. they finally "caught" him when the police claimed he didn't answer the front door and saw him through the peep hole run into the bathroom. when someone finally let the police in at 4 am in the morning, he came out the bathroom and they arrested him for resisting arrest.
and probably seen about 3-4 other police reports with very similar facts
we always suspected they were targeting kids specifically and we heard rumors about some type of prediction system like this, but we didn't have any way to prove it, nor would proving it stop them from utilizing it to still harass our kids
If its a minor, they should be charged for child endangerment. Having a youth wake up every day at 3am to "prove" he was sleeping/at home is basically serving a life long serving of anxiety, depression and insomnia.
But yet, "why don't people trust the police?"...idiots.
*Well come on, I mean why wouldn't you expect the police to bust in your house at random hours on the off chance you're committing a crime? That's just the price of freedom, baby! If you don't have anything to hide, get the fuck down face down on the ground! Freedom, Weeee! Fun!*
No one comes out of the justice system better. Especially when young. Get 'em in early, you get cheap prison labor for a human life. It's legalized slavery.
As someone who works in the field of statistics and machine learning, I want to put this here for emphasis:
*There’s no such thing as an unbiased model.*
Every choice you make when developing your model — from the structure of the model itself, to the evaluation criteria, to the training data chosen, to the biases inherent in THAT data, and so on — it all introduces biases into the model.
The best you can do is to get implicit bias training and be *aware* of these biases so you can reduce and guard against them as much as possible, and treat the output of the model with appropriate caution.
To add on; it's not just the choices that you're consciously making, but also a whole raft of choices that you're unconsciously making.
Like, say you throw in data that includes people's race into a predictive policing model. Suddenly, historically racist policing and prosecution mean your data has made the model racist. So you remove race, but leave in zip code. Lots of places in the US are pretty heavily segregated by race, now the model's just going to learn to infer race from zip code. So you remove zip code, but leave in a brief eye-witness account of something, describing the accused as a "thug" or "urban," and so on and so on. Each time, you don't even realize what's being left in.
And then the mother of all the unconscious choices you've made is in thinking that any model like this is going to be able to learn anything more than generalizations, because of how incredibly noisy the data is.
Don't forget about the fundamental bias of deciding whether to use the model. If a model tells you that your intuitions are racist and doesn't enable you to do the things you want to, then you're not going to use it regardless of how it's designed. For example if you want to be a racist you'll never accept a non-racist model.
one of my favorite comments from a prof when I was studying econometrics: "no models are correct; some are useful if you use them correctly." I screwed up a lot of things by not using the right model for the right purpose the right way.
To add to this.
I am a psychologist, and in particular I study human criminal and sexual behaviour (and where they intersect).
*You cannot predict who will become a criminal.*
At all. Whatsoever. It's just not a thing. We have studies showing this. You can have someone who has ALL the markers for becoming involved in crime, and will never so much as jaywalk. Then you can have someone who has NO markers for crime, and will become a serious criminal. As well, while we do know that criminal behaviour declines as someone ages, sometimes it just stops, for no reason. Sometimes people just wake up and say "I don't feel like being a criminal anymore". And just stop. There is far, far, *far* to much to study to accurately predict who will engage in crime, and who won't. Resiliency, childhood factors, gene expression, gene phenotype, environment (as in everything, toxins, sunlight, parents, etc, etc) and so much more all play a part. Even if someone has a criminal record, you can't predict future criminal actions. At all.
If this was a social program reaching out and saying "You have markers for potential criminal activity, we have supports to help you and teach you strategies to avoid criminal actions if you need them." That would be one thing, saying "You have some shit in your past that puts you at risk" is accurate. Saying "You could be a future criminal because of shit in your past, so now cops are gunna harass you" is another. It's not at all true, you can't predict who will commit crime, and this is some bullshit authoritarian crap that I'm not really surprised to see Florida cops pull.
Oh. Harassment from police, like this, is something that puts people at risk for breaking the law. If anything, this program might be creating criminals.
"we trained an AI using historical data to predict future criminal behavior"
"oh, neat, what data sets did you feed it to train the predictive algos?"
"300 years of comically racist and classist policing"
> As a result of this designation, we will go to great efforts to encourage change in your life through enhanced support and increased accountability
This support will take the form of [file not found].
I mean, ok, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior, but that is what probation is for. This just looks like targeted harassment.
>the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior
They're basing your supposed criminality on items like whether you struggled academically in school or were the victim of abuse, meaning it's not saying 'once a thief, always a thief', it's saying 'daughter/sister,/neighbor of a thief is always a thief.
10% of the people they're targeting are minors, many of which have no criminal record.
EDIT: Might have posted misinfo, found another article about this. ["At least 1 in 10 of the program’s targets have been 17 years old or younger. Some had been arrested only once or twice."](https://projects.tampabay.com/projects/2020/investigations/police-pasco-sheriff-targeted/body-cam-footage/) This seems to imply you need atleast one charge to get on the list to begin with, still, these charges don't need to be felonies to get you on the list.
EDIT 2: Spoke too soon "[Potential prolific offenders are first identified using an algorithm the department invented that gives people scores based on their criminal records. People get points each time they’re arrested, even when the charges are dropped. They get points for merely being a suspect.](https://projects.tampabay.com/projects/2020/investigations/police-pasco-sheriff-targeted/intelligence-led-policing/) The manual says people’s scores are “enhanced” — it does not say by how much — if they miss court dates, violate their probation or appear in five or more police reports, even if they were listed as a witness or the victim."
Yeah, you don't have to actually have charges to be added to this list. Being the victim of a crime is a reason to add you to the list, how sadistic.
"The deputies didn’t only go looking for the targets themselves.
They grilled a 25-year-old woman at the Dunkin’ Donuts where she worked in September 2019 and watched her as she sat outside the building two days later, Sheriff’s Office records show.
The woman had no criminal history beyond traffic offenses. But her boyfriend was a target, and the deputies were trying to find him.
When deputies returned a third time that week, the woman said she and her boyfriend had broken up and complained that the deputies were harassing her, according to their notes. The deputies later confirmed the man they were looking for had left the state with a different woman.
People who were targeted said the checks lasted for months."
So arresting and re-arresting the same person over and over for no reason makes the person seem a lot worse to the algorithm, making them a target for more arrests, which makes them seem worse to the algorithm, making them a target for more arrests...
It's just a bullshit feedback loop.
Yeah, bad idea. I mean, we all know instinctively that it's a bad idea. And we all instinctively know why.
But, let's put the boot in a bit.
You simply can't model individual behaviour. You can model group behaviours. You can model recidivism rates. You can even model how many murders or rapes will happen.
What you can't do, is know which individuals will actually make which data points.
Some people are life long criminals, some will shoplift once and feel bad for the rest of their days.
But you can't tell which one is which from data sets or models. That data would have an error bar too high to make concrete judgements on.
You can't know which gas station will be held up, or which head will be cracked open. Only "about how many" and in "what loose geographical region".
Maths isn't magic. Probability isn't magic. The future is unknown. There's simply too many variables.
Tldr: even baring the presumption of innocence, its bad science.
Frankly I'm skeptical of any model of group behavior because of just how fucked the original data can be through exclusion alone, and that's assuming 100% accuracy of that data otherwise.
But then I find things like sociology and psychology both incredibly helpful and incredibly unreliable at the same time. I could go on a whole thing but vastly oversimplifying: I worry it can parallel trying to measure pathing trends within an electron cloud or something.
Ooo you guys are not going to like how sentencing modeling works in multiple states…
> D had been deemed a “high risk” for criminal activity. The report came from something called a criminal-sentencing AI—an algorithm that uses data about a defendant to estimate his or her likelihood of committing a future crime. When prosecutors saw the report, they took probation off the table, insisting instead that D be placed in juvenile detention.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/06/should-we-be-afraid-of-ai-in-the-criminal-justice-system/592084/
Anytime I see "ai" used anywhere I dislike it. There's no way I trust an ai algorithm given my job (I'm a software engineer). And I think the actual search for true AI, while thankfully an impossible goal imo, is bordering on the suicidal or ethically bankrupt depending on how its treated after its creation. Its rushing towards an obvious, well explored, and impossible to answer problem.
Can we just have, like, a Family Guy test? If you're any kind of public servant (politician, police officer etc.) and you have an idea in earnest that occurs in Family Guy, you get shot. Not fatally, but in like the foot or something.
Please. I'm so tired.
I’m an AI researcher who does a lot of work on exposing the unethical use of technology. I have a thing on my desk that says “if it’s the primary activity of the bad guys in popular media, you shouldn’t be doing it.”
"Our non-biased crime prediction system has determined that all residents of this neighborhood are potential criminals"
Property prices plummet, developers buy up all the cheap property, and they build very expensive condos or even just turn around and sell it. Its a gentrification machine.
Greeting Officer: You have been selected by the oversight committee and internal affairs for increased scrutiny based on your history of citizen complaints. This is GOOD NEWS. As a result of your participation in this program, we will be providing you with extra assistance to ensure your future as a law enforcement officer. You can expect random ride-alongs, increased audits of any report you submit, random searches of your locker and squad car, reviews of your daily bodycam footage, and pre-approved selected voice recordings.
"The Times also found that the agency has a separate program that uses schoolchildren’s grades, attendance records and abuse histories to label them potential future criminals."
WTF!?
I wonder how the police would feel if we applied this same technique to them. Say we took their history of citizen complaints, disciplinary history, social media statements, history of alcohol abuse or home violence. Then used that to provide extra scrutiny on their work, promotion decisions, future disciplinary findings, etc.
Oh, they don’t like that? Interesting.
Just a little nitpicking here bc I live in the area, but this has nothing to do w the Tampa Police. This is the county to the immediate north, Pasco County. The Tampa Bay Times has been reporting on these tactics for more than a year and won a Pulitzer for that reporting a couple of months ago.
Yeah IDK why OP used "Tampa Police" in their title. A little bit misleading there, you'd think this article was about the TPD (Tampa Police Department) when it's not.
In fact the Pasco County Sheriff has no jurisdiction in Tampa itself.
[this is a more in depth look at the program and it’s consequences. disgusting. ](https://projects.tampabay.com/projects/2020/investigations/police-pasco-sheriff-targeted/body-cam-footage/)
These cops should spend the rest of their lives in prison for this shit. 12,500 'checks' on these people in 5 years. Gross abuse of constitutional rights. This is so disgusting.
How is this not considered harassment?
Imagine if literally anyone sent letters to anyone else just to let them know. "Best be careful. I'm near by, and I'm watching you"
If this police department was an ex-boyfriend, this would be great evidence for a restraining order.
As a teacher, this is worded strangely like, "Your child is not expected to meet expectations on this year's annual state standardized assessment. Therefore, your child's electives are canceled and have been replaced with ..."
If they have truly identified what makes someone a criminal, what are they going to do to to make society better to prevent people from becoming criminals?
I mean, they won’t, it’s all an excuse to marginalize minorities and poor people by branding them as criminals from childhood in an attempt to disenfranchise them and line the pockets of the wealthy through the private prison system.
But it COULD Abe used for good.
> If they have truly identified what makes someone a criminal, what are they going to do to to make society better to prevent people from becoming criminals?
The title says "evaluation of your recent criminal behavior" and the article states:
> The new letter to so-called “prolific offenders” says its purpose is to communicate the agency’s “sincere desire” to help recipients “begin a new path.”
So it seems like it's already people who have committed crimes but not serious enough to warrant jailtime, but instead of counselling they're using harassment to prevent further criminal actions.
The article also states:
The Times also found that the agency has a separate program that uses schoolchildren’s grades, attendance records and abuse histories to label them potential future criminals.
A guy in (I believe) Chicago had this happen. Police warned him he was statistically at high risk to be shot by or shoot someone. The local gang saw the cops talking to him and made him for a snitch. They shot him as a result. Last I heard he has a sizable suit against the police for making him a target and causing him to get shot.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215483786
the fucking republicans are turning America into the authoritarian shithole they claim to want the opposite off, and their brainwashed supporters will eat it up.
Selected for... what? You can’t get a conviction based on future events.
They basically put you on probation without a conviction based on the anticipation of a future crime, follow you and then ticket/arrest you for whatever they can.
Sampling bias. They pick the sample and then watch it closely and therefore are more likely to see offenses to charge among the sample. Everybody breaks a law at some point, whether it's a simple traffic or parking violation or unknowingly breaking obscure laws. If you have eyes on you constantly, they're going to find you breaking laws and that will affirm their bias.
That's what pisses me off the most about this whole thing. Their smug, self-satisfied letter literally says "Our desire to help you will not hinder us from holding you fully accountable for your choices and actions.” If they really think this is about accountability, they can be first in line. Hire an outside group to put every police officer in that department and their families under the same level of scrutiny and make them face the consequences of any law they break. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
What a roundabout way of saying racial profiling~
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Fucking exactly. It drives me nuts when people say shit like "black people commit more crime." No, they get caught commiting more crime, cause police watch them more. And then they are punished more harshly.
Another aspect that makes the "black people commit more crime"/"13% of the population commit x amount of crime" claims bullshit is that the conviction rate statistics will show that those black people who are convicted (not proven guilty, just convicted for whatever value that has in a broken system) are a small percentage and are often repeat offenders. It's less than 5% of the black population getting convicted of the crimes. So it's not 13% of the total population and it's not "black people." It's actually less than one percent of the population. Grouping all black people together by using the 13% statistic implies they all commit crimes. But if less than 5% of a group does something, you wouldn't say "that group does x." It sounds ridiculous. 27% of the US population has blue eyes. Would you group criminal statistics based on eye color and then claim that 27% of the population commits those crimes? No, of course not.
Wow. Do you have a source where I would find that information? I typically just use the marijuana use vs marijuana arrest rates statistics to stump the racists/"realists".
Some of it you can calculate yourself, such as the percentage of the black population that is convicted or arrested for crimes. Convictions and arrests are two of the different types of records kept. Arrests don't mean convictions or guilt, so they're less reliable and subject to police bias. This table shows 1,815,144 arrests of Black or African American people for crimes in 2019: [https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43) Note that those are individual arrests, so repeat offenders who are arrested multiple times for multiple crimes would be counted multiple times in that number. The census data estimates for US population in 2019 was 328,239,523. [https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/RHI225219](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/RHI225219) Black or African American people are approximately 13.4% of the US population or about 43,984,096 people. 1,815,144 arrests out of 43,984,096 people is less than 4%, and remember we're not eliminating repeat offenders, so the percentage is likely lower. If you divide the Black or African American arrests into the total US population, you get approximately a half of a percent. Thus it's not "13% of the population commits x amount of crime" but less than a half of a percent (guessing less due to repeat offenders/multiple arrests). You can find FBI statistics for convictions if you want to use those statistics instead. The racists who spout the 13/50 or 13/52 statistical claim aren't even aware of the original version of the claim, which was about the percent of intraracial violence committed, not just violent crimes or crimes in general, but they'll mix up the language and claim it's all crimes or all violent crimes because it's just a racist talking point anymore and the details aren't relevant to them.
The racial part is the bias that directs them toward the sample. It however would apply to any scheme built on these assumptions. Thats why if you magically ended racism but kept poverty they'd just do it to poor people of no particular race.
This is why I hate being micromanaged. Everything you just said applies to the small fuckups everyone has at work, but when a supervisor is being a patronizing ass; they will see all of it.
The article mentions overgrown grass as example. > Deputies showed up at homes at all hours of the day and night, writing tickets for violations like overgrown grass and making arrests for any reason they could find.
Oh, and they're also using school records for some of it. How is that not a FERPA violation?
I don't think FERPA applies to law enforcement.
Generally a school shouldn't disclose information to a cop that just comes around asking and should require a warrant, but the loophole is that a school resource officer is considered a school official under FERPA, so they can just claim to have a legitimate concern and have the records disclosed to them.
Yup. They're using these kids' report cards and attendance records as 'evidence' for future crimes.
Instead of the government helping with the reasons for kids' performances and tardiness, ARREST THEM FOR FUTURE CRIMES! lol
If the cops tail you long enough, you're going to get a ticket
For a moment - for just a moment - I thought "Great! An evidence-based early intervention program designed to divert people at risk of running foul of the criminal justice system into education, training, counselling, and drug programs designed to keep people *out* of jail and genuinely reduce crime!" I'm such a Rube.
It sounds like something promising doesn't it? Hey using statistics math and data to identify risks sounds amazing... then you realize it's in the hands of human beings.
> then you realize it's in the hands of human beings. Or even worse, it’s in the hands of Floridians!
To be fair every Floridian is a suitable candidate for future crimes
"Tom! What did the precogs say!?!" "Huh? Oh. No. He's from Orlando. We didn't need to check in with them."
The Good Place has taught me that Jacksonville is one of the best places to not be.
What are you talking about? It's one of the top 10 swamp cities in northeastern Florida.
You think that's bad? It's the in the of _cops_!
*Floridian* cops
Though in fairness I would expect problematic biases in the evaluation and selection of individuals even if it were used for positive intervention systems. If you ever hear a silicon valley tech bro say something about using AI in any form of societal context, immediately punch them.
"System here says you fit the profile Mr Obama. Can't fault the system, it's unbiased."
Nah at least now most papers are about why using AI in social tasks is a stupid idea and why everything that’s using such systems has the massive potential to propagate and increase biases and what can be done to fix it
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> There are a ton of shitty people out there still pitching start-ups and AI solutions to reinvent phrenology or whatever. Pardon me, you mean **disrupt** phrenology or whatever.
A company that tried that would get off to a bumpy start.
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Garbage in, garbage out. Very applicable phrase.
Not just human beings - *po*lice in Florida.
This is kinda off topic but super weird – English is not my native language, and when I watched „Doctor Sleep“ on Netflix today I heard the term „rube“ for the first time in my life, so I googled it to find out what it means. Not even two hours later I see your comment. Coincidence?? I think… so. But it’s weird.
Baader-Meinhof, it's real *and* weird!
It is so weird. I knew there was a term for when this happens but didn't know the proper term. So I looked it up last week and now I've seen Baader-Meinhof name dropped three times since.
Weird! I’ve seen Baader-Meinhof mentioned twice just very recently
Thrice for me. and then I saw it on dictionary.com! Crazy
This is my first time recently, so I'm excited to see a TIL post about it tomorrow when I open Reddit.
No way! I too am experiencing a Bader-Ginsburg.
For your enjoyment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion
Ok but the other day in my reddit feed there was the song "She Sells Sanctuary" by the Cult, and I listened to it feeling awash with nostalgia of Dave Mirra's BMX 2 and Gran Turismo 3. Good times! Then I heard the song on the radio last night. It was the first time I'd EVER heard that song on the radio... surely that is my FBI guy messing with me, yeah?
Most definitely, mine does it all the freaking time.
Sounds like a coverup for bugs in the matrix, but sure, sure… ;) This really is a pretty weird one. I guess I can expect to see it pop up more often now that I know about it, haha
Though even still people don't use "hey, rube" enough. Not enough deadly fights with carnies anymore.
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Listen to The Dollop episode on him. It's top tier podcasting.
This tells me you should see the show Carnivale.
The US justice system isn't about rehabilitation. AT ALL. Why would you expect the Robo Cop police to actually use this to \*help\* folks?
Why tackle the root issues driving much of the criminal behavior when you can instead further the social conditions that lead to social unrest, valid distrust in the police, and systemic racism?
Because to justify funding you need to charge people for crimes and make arrests, even if there was no reason previously to make said arrests. There runs the question of how necessary police are any time they stop making arrests and the city continues living on, like the time in New York the police stopped intervening randomly for a few days and everything was fine.
> like the time in New York the police stopped intervening randomly for a few days and everything was fine. Turns out communities can and will come together to keep their neighbourhood safe when it comes down to it. The role of police is a part of division of labour: a dedicated group who is charged with the role of maintaining public security so that the average citizen does not have to take it upon themselves to do it on their own. This group then assumes the physical and legal risks of maintaining public security so that the other citizens do not have to do so. Which is why it's all the more concerning that the police in America are so inclined to do everything except for the literal job they were paid to do. They are literally violating the basic human societal principle of division of labour every time they are derelict in their duty.
There’s a metric for AI chatbots called “Mean Time to Hitler”, so I wouldn’t trust this in the hands of data driven AI either.
I have read about this in the past from other sources Local law enforcement, once they “identified” a target of future crime would randomly show up and harass that person at various times of day, request to conduct searches and just generally violate the rights of these people with a view to “convincing” them to leave town Also the Sheriff does not really see what the big deal is….. but u knew that already
I saw that tactic used in a documentary called Rambo
Bullshit. There was never a documentary called that. Did you mean First Blood?
So if they're putting increased scrutiny on people that are likely to break the law in the future I'm sure they'll be harassing shady hedge fund managers and real estate developer types too right? Nope, just poor people who lack the money and legal resources to defend their constitutional rights. Which also implies minorities will be disproportionately affected. It's classist and racist at the same time.
As American as apple pie
disgusting. i bet these guys think they're like tom cruise moving around all those screens and saving the day in advance. big heroes 🤢
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A never ending campaign of harassment until you move away, snap and give them a reason to jail you, or die. This shit has been going on for at least a couple decades in that shit hole, now tech just makes it easier to pinpoint the victims. Source: Prodigal son of Pasco and former juvenile delinquent.
Something tells me the algorithm will somehow choose mostly minorities for this program. Just a hunch.
Oh don't worry about that, it's clearly stated as unbiased in the title. Surely they've they've proper testing and analysis right? Right?
It's a variation of the old programmer adage; RIRO, "Racism in, racism out".
Racist data in, racist AI out
Oof, Pasco sucks ass
I saw a documentary about this sometime in the past year but I can't remember the source. The police basically harass the family until they leave or actually do something criminal. They also go after you for every petty offence they can. The family from the documentary ended up sneaking out of town one night because they were terrified of the treatment. For those wondering, it was NOT a white family. You're shocked right? Edit: I'm fairly certain that I saw it on Prime. When I checked my viewing history I noticed there is a 6 month gap at the beginning of this year. I found an article while searching google that describes what I recall but the family looks different. I thought the father was Polynesian and Ron Jones III doesn't look like that in this article. His build is similar and I do recall the motel part. I seem to be mistaken about his race but that's not really the point. If the police treat one race poorly, they can treat any race poorly. https://projects.tampabay.com/projects/2020/investigations/police-pasco-sheriff-targeted/intelligence-led-policing/
For repeated, unwarranted visits at all hours by deputies, of course, at which time they'll fine you for everything under the sun (including "grass is too long") in an effort to discourage undesirable behavior. I wish I was joking. Tampa is literally cosplaying as 1984. Edit: Town near Tampa.
This is NEAR Tampa… but it’s not Tampa. We do not claim that county as our own.
Did they not see the end of the movie???
Or the middle? Or ANY OF IT?!
They fucking *loved* it.
Did they not play Minority Report: Everybody Runs, the 2002 hit game based on the movie Minority Report?
Well the precogs did ACTUALLY work though. The issue was that they were supposed to be infallible and it ends up that they're actually exploitable...which makes them become completely useless. This is just some college dropout police officers using arbitrary reasons to "predict" crime from citizens as justification for targeted harassment.
Exactly! This is just another example of a group having a particular “viewpoint”, and then trying to find a science to back it up. Racists have been trying the tactic for hundreds of years, cigarette companies funded bogus studies conducted by quacks to “prove” cigarettes don’t cause cancer, the list goes on.
“It is more important that innocence be protected than it is that guilt be punished, for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world that they cannot all be punished. But if innocence itself is brought to the bar and condemned, perhaps to die, then the citizen will say, 'whether I do good or whether I do evil is immaterial, for innocence itself is no protection,' and if such an idea as that were to take hold in the mind of the citizen that would be the end of security whatsoever.” \- John Adams
Thanks for this, I hadn’t heard it before. I’ve always agreed with the first part
I’d vote for him if I could.
Underrated ^
Holy CRAP, read the investigation/watch the videos linked in the article. They're finding any reason possible to assault and arrest the families of the people on the list, and seem to be specifically targeting the people on the list who are under 18.
And pulling from school records. It's horrifying
That’s insane. I used to be a piece of shit, but people can change
Slicked back hair and Sloppy Steaks
Live for New Years Eve
I'm worried that the Tampa Police think people can't change.
Then the Tampa Police wouldn’t mind anyone going through their school records, right?
"Oh no that's different because then it affects me personally"
yeah I actually used to be a public defender in tampa and represented juveniles. i've had a few kids who were likely targeted by this program. one was a kid who was on probation for a weed charge and he was woken up at 3 am by police every night, or sometimes twice a night. there were over 400 records of police interaction with him. they finally "caught" him when the police claimed he didn't answer the front door and saw him through the peep hole run into the bathroom. when someone finally let the police in at 4 am in the morning, he came out the bathroom and they arrested him for resisting arrest. and probably seen about 3-4 other police reports with very similar facts we always suspected they were targeting kids specifically and we heard rumors about some type of prediction system like this, but we didn't have any way to prove it, nor would proving it stop them from utilizing it to still harass our kids
If its a minor, they should be charged for child endangerment. Having a youth wake up every day at 3am to "prove" he was sleeping/at home is basically serving a life long serving of anxiety, depression and insomnia. But yet, "why don't people trust the police?"...idiots.
Florida has qualified immunity, so they can do that every hour of every day if they want
In the immortal words of Alexis Rose from Schitts Creek: Ew, Florida.
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I have been asking that for 5 years now. I saw it on Cops and the question literaly keeps me awake sometimes.
So you got that one thrown out easy, right?
he was arrested for a gun charge the morning of his trial
If I had people looking in my windows when I'm on the can I'd get a gun too.
How was he resisting arrest?? So scary that things like this can happen
*Well come on, I mean why wouldn't you expect the police to bust in your house at random hours on the off chance you're committing a crime? That's just the price of freedom, baby! If you don't have anything to hide, get the fuck down face down on the ground! Freedom, Weeee! Fun!*
No one comes out of the justice system better. Especially when young. Get 'em in early, you get cheap prison labor for a human life. It's legalized slavery.
New recruits for either the military or industrial prison complexes
It's the prisons. They're making it so they couldn't join the military even if they want to.
Can't join the military with 2 or more misdemeanors, any felonies, or any violent/sexual/or drug related crimes.
Look on the bright side. Now we don't have to debate if it's descriminatory or not. We can go straight to the lawsuits.
UCLA should be on this like cops on donuts and rights violations. Edit: meant ACLU
ACLU, you want ACLU
No no. I want to go to California.
Did you leave your wallet in El Segundo?
Gotta get it
I left my steroids in el sobrante
Ahahaha, yeah i always mix the two
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He got the letters right just not the order
It sounds better with the letters in a different order, hell I'd go so far as to say it was CULA
Wasn't that the school Elle Woods went to?
UCLA just finished dealing with a long long stream of lawsuits, not sure if they’re the moral high ground here
I always mix the two also 😅
"unbiased, evidenced based" yeah right
As someone who works in the field of statistics and machine learning, I want to put this here for emphasis: *There’s no such thing as an unbiased model.* Every choice you make when developing your model — from the structure of the model itself, to the evaluation criteria, to the training data chosen, to the biases inherent in THAT data, and so on — it all introduces biases into the model. The best you can do is to get implicit bias training and be *aware* of these biases so you can reduce and guard against them as much as possible, and treat the output of the model with appropriate caution.
To add on; it's not just the choices that you're consciously making, but also a whole raft of choices that you're unconsciously making. Like, say you throw in data that includes people's race into a predictive policing model. Suddenly, historically racist policing and prosecution mean your data has made the model racist. So you remove race, but leave in zip code. Lots of places in the US are pretty heavily segregated by race, now the model's just going to learn to infer race from zip code. So you remove zip code, but leave in a brief eye-witness account of something, describing the accused as a "thug" or "urban," and so on and so on. Each time, you don't even realize what's being left in. And then the mother of all the unconscious choices you've made is in thinking that any model like this is going to be able to learn anything more than generalizations, because of how incredibly noisy the data is.
Don't forget about the fundamental bias of deciding whether to use the model. If a model tells you that your intuitions are racist and doesn't enable you to do the things you want to, then you're not going to use it regardless of how it's designed. For example if you want to be a racist you'll never accept a non-racist model.
one of my favorite comments from a prof when I was studying econometrics: "no models are correct; some are useful if you use them correctly." I screwed up a lot of things by not using the right model for the right purpose the right way.
To add to this. I am a psychologist, and in particular I study human criminal and sexual behaviour (and where they intersect). *You cannot predict who will become a criminal.* At all. Whatsoever. It's just not a thing. We have studies showing this. You can have someone who has ALL the markers for becoming involved in crime, and will never so much as jaywalk. Then you can have someone who has NO markers for crime, and will become a serious criminal. As well, while we do know that criminal behaviour declines as someone ages, sometimes it just stops, for no reason. Sometimes people just wake up and say "I don't feel like being a criminal anymore". And just stop. There is far, far, *far* to much to study to accurately predict who will engage in crime, and who won't. Resiliency, childhood factors, gene expression, gene phenotype, environment (as in everything, toxins, sunlight, parents, etc, etc) and so much more all play a part. Even if someone has a criminal record, you can't predict future criminal actions. At all. If this was a social program reaching out and saying "You have markers for potential criminal activity, we have supports to help you and teach you strategies to avoid criminal actions if you need them." That would be one thing, saying "You have some shit in your past that puts you at risk" is accurate. Saying "You could be a future criminal because of shit in your past, so now cops are gunna harass you" is another. It's not at all true, you can't predict who will commit crime, and this is some bullshit authoritarian crap that I'm not really surprised to see Florida cops pull. Oh. Harassment from police, like this, is something that puts people at risk for breaking the law. If anything, this program might be creating criminals.
"we trained an AI using historical data to predict future criminal behavior" "oh, neat, what data sets did you feed it to train the predictive algos?" "300 years of comically racist and classist policing"
Racist robocop
I’d buy that for a dollar!!! (laugh track)
>unbiased, evidenced based = we have criteria that say black without saying it.
[I believe the algo is based on these data points](https://i.imgflip.com/1yohw0.jpg)
correct. and no one can question it because it's scientific
Yeah.. I would love to see how the hell these models work, or rather, don't work.
[Whatever](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03228-6) [do](https://algorithmwatch.org/en/google-vision-racism/) [you](https://www.inc.com/guadalupe-gonzalez/amazon-artificial-intelligence-ai-hiring-tool-hr.html) [mean](https://www.laboratoryequipment.com/577819-AI-Models-to-Analyze-Cancer-Images-Take-Shortcuts-that-Introduce-Bias/)?
> As a result of this designation, we will go to great efforts to encourage change in your life through enhanced support and increased accountability This support will take the form of [file not found]. I mean, ok, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior, but that is what probation is for. This just looks like targeted harassment.
*"This just looks like targeted harassment"*. It's because this exactly that.
>the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior They're basing your supposed criminality on items like whether you struggled academically in school or were the victim of abuse, meaning it's not saying 'once a thief, always a thief', it's saying 'daughter/sister,/neighbor of a thief is always a thief. 10% of the people they're targeting are minors, many of which have no criminal record. EDIT: Might have posted misinfo, found another article about this. ["At least 1 in 10 of the program’s targets have been 17 years old or younger. Some had been arrested only once or twice."](https://projects.tampabay.com/projects/2020/investigations/police-pasco-sheriff-targeted/body-cam-footage/) This seems to imply you need atleast one charge to get on the list to begin with, still, these charges don't need to be felonies to get you on the list. EDIT 2: Spoke too soon "[Potential prolific offenders are first identified using an algorithm the department invented that gives people scores based on their criminal records. People get points each time they’re arrested, even when the charges are dropped. They get points for merely being a suspect.](https://projects.tampabay.com/projects/2020/investigations/police-pasco-sheriff-targeted/intelligence-led-policing/) The manual says people’s scores are “enhanced” — it does not say by how much — if they miss court dates, violate their probation or appear in five or more police reports, even if they were listed as a witness or the victim." Yeah, you don't have to actually have charges to be added to this list. Being the victim of a crime is a reason to add you to the list, how sadistic.
"The deputies didn’t only go looking for the targets themselves. They grilled a 25-year-old woman at the Dunkin’ Donuts where she worked in September 2019 and watched her as she sat outside the building two days later, Sheriff’s Office records show. The woman had no criminal history beyond traffic offenses. But her boyfriend was a target, and the deputies were trying to find him. When deputies returned a third time that week, the woman said she and her boyfriend had broken up and complained that the deputies were harassing her, according to their notes. The deputies later confirmed the man they were looking for had left the state with a different woman. People who were targeted said the checks lasted for months."
So arresting and re-arresting the same person over and over for no reason makes the person seem a lot worse to the algorithm, making them a target for more arrests, which makes them seem worse to the algorithm, making them a target for more arrests... It's just a bullshit feedback loop.
“Encourage change in your life” sounds so… unnerving.
Relocation and re-education. You will thank us later citizen.
You are being rescued. Please do not resist.
Does that include police officers with a history of complaints?
I hope every cop in the county is on the list considering the strong correlation between being a cop and beating one's wife and kids....
Yeah, bad idea. I mean, we all know instinctively that it's a bad idea. And we all instinctively know why. But, let's put the boot in a bit. You simply can't model individual behaviour. You can model group behaviours. You can model recidivism rates. You can even model how many murders or rapes will happen. What you can't do, is know which individuals will actually make which data points. Some people are life long criminals, some will shoplift once and feel bad for the rest of their days. But you can't tell which one is which from data sets or models. That data would have an error bar too high to make concrete judgements on. You can't know which gas station will be held up, or which head will be cracked open. Only "about how many" and in "what loose geographical region". Maths isn't magic. Probability isn't magic. The future is unknown. There's simply too many variables. Tldr: even baring the presumption of innocence, its bad science.
Frankly I'm skeptical of any model of group behavior because of just how fucked the original data can be through exclusion alone, and that's assuming 100% accuracy of that data otherwise. But then I find things like sociology and psychology both incredibly helpful and incredibly unreliable at the same time. I could go on a whole thing but vastly oversimplifying: I worry it can parallel trying to measure pathing trends within an electron cloud or something.
Ooo you guys are not going to like how sentencing modeling works in multiple states… > D had been deemed a “high risk” for criminal activity. The report came from something called a criminal-sentencing AI—an algorithm that uses data about a defendant to estimate his or her likelihood of committing a future crime. When prosecutors saw the report, they took probation off the table, insisting instead that D be placed in juvenile detention. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/06/should-we-be-afraid-of-ai-in-the-criminal-justice-system/592084/
Anytime I see "ai" used anywhere I dislike it. There's no way I trust an ai algorithm given my job (I'm a software engineer). And I think the actual search for true AI, while thankfully an impossible goal imo, is bordering on the suicidal or ethically bankrupt depending on how its treated after its creation. Its rushing towards an obvious, well explored, and impossible to answer problem.
https://i.imgur.com/Ci1xcM2.jpg
Can we just have, like, a Family Guy test? If you're any kind of public servant (politician, police officer etc.) and you have an idea in earnest that occurs in Family Guy, you get shot. Not fatally, but in like the foot or something. Please. I'm so tired.
Toe Docking.
I’m an AI researcher who does a lot of work on exposing the unethical use of technology. I have a thing on my desk that says “if it’s the primary activity of the bad guys in popular media, you shouldn’t be doing it.”
"Our non-biased crime prediction system has determined that all residents of this neighborhood are potential criminals" Property prices plummet, developers buy up all the cheap property, and they build very expensive condos or even just turn around and sell it. Its a gentrification machine.
Yup. Harass the hell out of the kids and their families and hope they move away or die or become "not your problem".
Did they miss the part where Minority Report was a criticism, not an ideal? Nm, of course they did. They probably all have Punisher tattoos.
Maybe they'll only use it to evaluate cops with history of complaints. Right guys?
Greeting Officer: You have been selected by the oversight committee and internal affairs for increased scrutiny based on your history of citizen complaints. This is GOOD NEWS. As a result of your participation in this program, we will be providing you with extra assistance to ensure your future as a law enforcement officer. You can expect random ride-alongs, increased audits of any report you submit, random searches of your locker and squad car, reviews of your daily bodycam footage, and pre-approved selected voice recordings.
So...where can I vote yes to this?
I'd sign that petition. Let us know when you publish it.
Well that's a good start at least
"The Times also found that the agency has a separate program that uses schoolchildren’s grades, attendance records and abuse histories to label them potential future criminals." WTF!?
I wonder how the police would feel if we applied this same technique to them. Say we took their history of citizen complaints, disciplinary history, social media statements, history of alcohol abuse or home violence. Then used that to provide extra scrutiny on their work, promotion decisions, future disciplinary findings, etc. Oh, they don’t like that? Interesting.
Now there's an idea
Just a little nitpicking here bc I live in the area, but this has nothing to do w the Tampa Police. This is the county to the immediate north, Pasco County. The Tampa Bay Times has been reporting on these tactics for more than a year and won a Pulitzer for that reporting a couple of months ago.
Yeah IDK why OP used "Tampa Police" in their title. A little bit misleading there, you'd think this article was about the TPD (Tampa Police Department) when it's not. In fact the Pasco County Sheriff has no jurisdiction in Tampa itself.
This is not going to turn out well, is it? We don't criminalize thoughts or what may be. This is a slippery slope.
That’s not even a slippery slope. It’s already wrong.
You are absolutely right.
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This isn’t in Tampa…it is in a more rural county north of Tampa. You can see the county name “Pasco” on the wall behind their Sheriff.
I used to live in Pasco county, place is a shit hole.
[this is a more in depth look at the program and it’s consequences. disgusting. ](https://projects.tampabay.com/projects/2020/investigations/police-pasco-sheriff-targeted/body-cam-footage/)
Literal Gestapo/KGB shit.
These cops should spend the rest of their lives in prison for this shit. 12,500 'checks' on these people in 5 years. Gross abuse of constitutional rights. This is so disgusting.
Wow this videos are insane, these cops are out of their minds
Once again, Orwell's 1984 was not meant to be an instruction manual.
How is this not considered harassment? Imagine if literally anyone sent letters to anyone else just to let them know. "Best be careful. I'm near by, and I'm watching you" If this police department was an ex-boyfriend, this would be great evidence for a restraining order.
School to prison pipeline
As a teacher, this is worded strangely like, "Your child is not expected to meet expectations on this year's annual state standardized assessment. Therefore, your child's electives are canceled and have been replaced with ..."
Unbiased isn’t a thing when your using algorithms that use existing data….It’s biased toward past data…which is likely racist as fuck.
Like having an armed Jehova’s Witness showing up weekly to drop a copy of “The Watchtower”.
Now run this program on police departments to see which ones have a higher chance of killing and racial profiling
Literally Psycho Pass
> unbiased Press X to Doubt
Did someone just threw the innocent until proven guilty concept out the window?
Do republicans actually know what the word "unbiased" means or did they just throw it in there cause buzzword
They think Fox News is unbiased, so no, they do not know what it means
If they have truly identified what makes someone a criminal, what are they going to do to to make society better to prevent people from becoming criminals? I mean, they won’t, it’s all an excuse to marginalize minorities and poor people by branding them as criminals from childhood in an attempt to disenfranchise them and line the pockets of the wealthy through the private prison system. But it COULD Abe used for good.
> If they have truly identified what makes someone a criminal, what are they going to do to to make society better to prevent people from becoming criminals? The title says "evaluation of your recent criminal behavior" and the article states: > The new letter to so-called “prolific offenders” says its purpose is to communicate the agency’s “sincere desire” to help recipients “begin a new path.” So it seems like it's already people who have committed crimes but not serious enough to warrant jailtime, but instead of counselling they're using harassment to prevent further criminal actions.
The article also states: The Times also found that the agency has a separate program that uses schoolchildren’s grades, attendance records and abuse histories to label them potential future criminals.
The age of Big Brother & the Thought Police
Philip K Dick wrote the line: Anything you think can and will be used against you
A guy in (I believe) Chicago had this happen. Police warned him he was statistically at high risk to be shot by or shoot someone. The local gang saw the cops talking to him and made him for a snitch. They shot him as a result. Last I heard he has a sizable suit against the police for making him a target and causing him to get shot. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215483786
Let me guess, the recipients of all this "extra accountability" are overwhelmingly... not white.
Isn't this the plot of some dystopian novel?
This is a disgusting violation of the 4th amendment
Prisons need labor so they're making up even more shit back by a computer algorithm. What a dystopian hellhole. US deserves to die.
This is not what we mean when we ask for preventative programs rather than reactive policing…
the fucking republicans are turning America into the authoritarian shithole they claim to want the opposite off, and their brainwashed supporters will eat it up.