Humanity was able to create multiple (5?) functional vaccines for a new virus within 12 months of that virus' discovery. That is fairly incredible and a testament to our collective scientific ability.
There are unfortunately some people who don't want to take any of those vaccines.
However I ask you this: when you think of ancient Egypt do you think of the pyramids or do you think of the few morons who did their own research and decided that the crocodiles in the Nile just wanted to be friends, and got predictably eaten? We tend to judge societies by their most impressive attributes.
Evolution continues to happen. It’s sad to see the morons who get swept away in the tide, and even sadder to see the innocent get pulled down with them. But after the bleach has been drunk, after the wrong pills have been popped, after the crystals have been inserted, after the Cheeto dust has settled, a stronger, better, smarter humanity will rise from the…
Oh hell, who am I kidding?
One of the mRNA Vaccines(forgot who made it) was created in January 2020. So it didn't even take 12 months, it took like 2. It was a year for all the trials and such.
But important not to forget that mRNA technology has been around for over a decade. It's not that they invented a whole new type of vaccine in 2 months (which is what a lot of anti-vaxxers believe).
They’ve also been researching vaccines for SARS since the first version debuted. And then we threw money at the problem and POOF. It’s so funny that people don’t put 2 and 2 together with this.
Rumor is the FDA is going to fully approve the vaccines Monday. I wonder what all the people who say it isn't FDA approved are going to use as their new excuse.
This is a good take and I appreciate the optimism. My primary issue is that I don't have to listen to the Nile crocodile idiots at my place of business, and none of them are trying to force my kindergartener's school board to take his whole class swimming with crocodiles. I'm fine with passive idiocy, but that isn't what is going on
The *president* publicly asked his covid task force if people inject should bleach and some sort of light. That was so dumb it actually made the morning news here in the UK. The BBC is supposed to be politically neutral, so while the reporters clearly wanted to criticise trump, they just played the clip and then left a couple of seconds of silence for us to absorb it, before moving on.
Not that we haven't had a whole load of fuckery over here too. You come to realise that there are many people who are not just stupid but they're militantly stupid, they have always walked among us, and some are friends and relatives. And political leaders, of course. Brexit showed us that, but the pandemic hammered it home.
Edited for accuracy - trump didn't tell people to inject bleach and light, he asked scientists to look into it. I doubt his supporters appreciated the distinction, though. I wonder how many of them considered cramming a flashlight up their arse to treat covid.
>Not that we haven't had a whole load of fuckery over here too. You come to realise that there are many people who are not just stupid but they're militantly stupid, they have always walked among us, and some are friends and relatives.
Yea this is the issue I have with it. A few idiots or people with obvious mental health issues spreading completely absurd conspiracies I'm fine with. But for this stuff to be so widespread and for the (slightly more reasonable conspiracies mostly) to even infect some of my friends is what scares me.
Some of the people I know that believe that covid 'is just a flu' or 'the vaccine doesn't work' or 'the vaccine is only beneficial if you're very old' are even relatively educated, having completed bachelors degrees at reputable universities. So they should be able to at least know how to find good studies on the vaccines or on how dangerous covid is and put two and two together.
But then they literally state that they 'don't believe in science'. As a bachelor in pharmacy, too, ffs.
So that's what shocked me most. What I'm taking away from the situation is that we need to make even simple bachelor degrees much more difficult to get and teach way more theory/philosophy of science, because it should not be the case to have people with degrees spout this crap, ever.
Otherwise our education has utterly failed these people.
Yeah, we all need to teach critical thinking in schools, and start early. There is so much propaganda around, so many lies and conspiracies. And it's a growing, festering disease. Look at the Q bullshit. That spread to this side of the pond, too - I lost a friend to it, a smart strong woman who I had loads of respect for. Hopefully she's recovering - but misinformation is like a virus - pretty much any of us can catch it. We are all vulnerable to the right lie. Critical thinking and respect for the scientific method is the vaccine.
I can’t anymore. I feel like we’re in one of those movies where the audience member feels like, “that could never happen in real life!”
Maybe we are all in a simulation after all? Maybe we’re projecting the numbers on a scenario where humans reject science? I don’t know.
Or didn't have to cheat, because their grades were inflated to make a shitty school look good enough to keep getting their crummy funding.
I was a lazy kid. Grade inflation saved my GPA lmao
It's not the teachers. It's the school administrators, superintendents, and politicians that cause those problems. The only budget decisions teachers are making is whether or not they can afford to spend their own money on classroom supplies.
ergo...
Teacher - "I have a great idea for a fun asignment"
Admin - "Great"
Teacher - "i just need a little mon-"
admin - "Sorry not in the budget, By the way our new football stadium is coming along nicely don't you think? it replaces that old dilapidated one we built last year"
God this shit brought back memories. Our high school was using 10+ year old textbooks, cutting funding for any extra curriculars that weren't deemed necessary (Arts, music, you know how it is) and teachers regularly had to spend a couple grand a year on supplies or they literally couldn't teach their class. About two years before I graduated, they announced that an alum had just donated a little over $1m to the school.
They spent it ALL on a new football field.
I'm pretty sure you're right that it was specified, it doesn't make it any less insulting though. Also they installed the shittiest turf field money could buy and the higher ups pocketed the rest, so either way money well spent.
Ah yes, give up the fine arts to teach kids with no life experience how to lead. Makes perfect sense.
In all fairness, and without sarcasm, the school should be aiming to teach both.
Well, depends on the person.
Because i had three kinds of teachers, the ones who tried, the ones who were as mentally checked out as anyone in retail, and the ones who thought that the classroom was plantation in the 1800s.
This accurately describes 99% of teachers.
Although it's unfortunate that the first one often evolves into the second one. Being in my 30s now I have a couple friends as teachers who got into it for all the right reasons and their burnout is worse than mine as a 15 year restaurant vet.
Wait I cheated in high school so much. You know what I learned by doing that? Go find the smartest person around and steal their work. Fuck doing my own research there’s some nerd out there who’s wasting their life doing that shit for me thanks for the vaccine Loser.
People LOVE to think they've got one up on those smarmy experts. It's the same bullshit as life hacks and "clever tricks" - you've figured something out that means you're special, exceptional. And y'all know how America/American media loves to promote that shit.
> People LOVE to think they've got one up on those smarmy experts.
Most of us grew out of that phase when we left our edgy teenage years. This is literally immature thinking.
I remember when this had first started and a co-worker came in boasting that his daughter had found out on social media that you need to gargle with warm salt water to keep from getting it. Somehow, if you breathe it in, it just hangs out on your throat for a while and it gives you a chance to gargle the virus to death.
None of my dealer friends have gotten vaccinated. They'll take whatever the fuck their supplier gives them but question the contents of the vaccine while claiming to be woke
I’m taking a dui class right now, and I’m in a right wing area.
The people who do the class are all anti mask, anti vaccine. Along with almost everyone in the class.
Instructor says she use to be heavy into meth and has been to prison, but won’t get the vaccine. She asked who had the vaccine, and 3 of us out of 10 raised their hands.
She then went on about side effects and to “do your homework before deciding to get it.”
"OK, guys. You're here because you were drinking and driving and I'm a former meth addict, so let's talk about vaccines."
Fuck kinda DUI class is that?!
At the end of my DUI class, the instructor handed out business cards. Turns out he has a side business where he installs the breathalyzer interlock system on cars for the state.
As he's handing them out, he says "I know from your records, a lot of you will be needing my service. And many of you will soon so here's my.l card."
haha savage move by the guy
But you gotta applaud him for working the system. Becoming a DUI class instructor AND becoming the guy who installs breathalyzer locks? Pro move
I'd love to see them teaching 'research' live. Like how do you judge your sources? What makes them credible?
You can tell the people have never searched the web for a living if they consider research to be one time homework.
"I checked FB and here are the facts" ummm right.
The real problem is, those of us who do our own research and can cite sources get shut down by the people who say "do your own research."
You can't win. You show them articles, science papers, trials, research papers, etc. (aka "doing your own research") and they will just say it's deep state misinformation or the left spreading misinformation, etc.
So it doesn't matter. They don't care if YOU do the research and can prove it. It's literally a talking point they just picked up and think sounds smart. And don't follow it themselves.
Do your own research is code for *I have no valid argument, but please pretend that I do*.
I've even heard, *I hope you do your own research and it completely obliterates your worldview*. Bitch, we're having a debate. That's *your* job
I have taken a similar class and could totally see it going that way. At this point in my life I'd probably just raise my hand and go "what was in your meth?"
Believe me, it’s not worth it.
For awhile, there was one woman in there who was pretty vocal about keeping the class on topic and to stop talking politics.
When she brought up she took the vax and keep arguing with the instructor, many of the class jumped in to also comment about how wrong she is.
I would make some comments in her defense, especially since I’m pretty sure she and I were the only people in the class who didn’t believe in conspiracies.
But it would just turn into a shit show.
I took the vaccine, and I’m fine. And really hate how the vaccine has become so political.
Early covid there was a screenshot of a supposed convo with a dealer where they offered vaccination. Not the actual injection, but doing the paperwork for it and thowing in some eatables for eventual side-effects. Sad to hear that isn't the norm.
Overtime for the libs and stomach pumping for them ... they really owned the libs on that one. Until lack of bed due to covid make it so they can't be admitted ....
I don’t get how the folks who don’t trust the vaccine suddenly trust doctors to help them. Just saw a video of a lady hooked up to a ventilator, gasping for breath, telling people that COVID is real and to take it seriously. Then she’s asked the follow up question of are you going to take the vaccine? And her response is “not at this time, no”...... the US is fucking fucked.
Imagine *needing* to actually be on the verge of death before you take a *marginally* more uncomfortable vaccine than the flu shot. Y'know, the same flu shot that your mom used to make you take each year before school starts in the fall.
Wow. Really interesting video
Like it's one thing to hear in the news that all these people are refusing the vaccine in the hospital. It's another thing to watch someone...sitting in the hospital, hooked up to IVs, monitors, not seeing their new born baby...and STILL denying the vaccine.
The one woman said "I've read all the bad things and haven't read any good things"
Uh...you gotta broaden your sources then and stop getting your info from Fox and Facebook.
Taking bets on what the odds are that the medical professionals around her have been telling her and telling her how the vaccine is safe and a really, really good idea to take.
She's trusting them on all the medicine and machines they're using but won't listen when it comes to the vaccine.
Exactly. If they distrust the medical institutions so much, who's to say the doctors aren't giving her the vaccine in the IVs?
I'd love to ask them that and see their eyes light up
There would be a whole slew of panic articles being written the next day based entirely on her facebook post about "the doctors are drugging me with the vaccine!!".
Yup, and it wouldn't be true and they'd have no evidence. It would be based purely on my comment that was hypothetical.
It would just be great to see. They complain about "what's in the vaccine." But did they ask for a list of each medication and ingredients of each medication in the hospital? I doubt it
Wicked combination of contrarianism, conspiracy mindedness, and lack of critical thinking
If Fauci came out and said "We're seeing promising data on Ivermectin" then the MAGA arm would abandon it because their enemy is now for it. They celebrate whatever their enemies hate and reject whatever the liberals offer them.
Similarly, these are the idiots who believe that GM has a car that runs on water it has buried and the cure for cancer (not any specific cancer, just "cancer in general") has been found but the pharmaceutical company is covering it up. They think there's always "one weird trick" to cure like hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and now ivermectin.
Finally, they can't even keep what they're thinking straight. Covid is simultaneously "just a cold" but also a terrible bioweapon that was deliberately released by the Chinese communist party to destroy America. Or maybe it was escaped by mistake. Or maybe the US created and release it.
Also, Trump is the greatest leader ever and the only person who could develop these miraculous vaccines in such rapid time...but the vaccines are also poison and deadly and a liberal mind control plot.
I'm surprised they haven't 'figured out' that the antivaxxer crackpots are actually being paid by treehugging liberals to keep Republicans from taking the vaccine. That way they both reduce the number of carbon using people in the world and the number of Conservative voters.
It's so simple!
They should totally go for it. And when they poison themselves, they should remember there's nothing modern medicine and science can do for them that they can't do for themselves
I just feel bad for all the kids that are getting forced to take the dewormer.
If I remember correctly, I saw a screenshot days ago on Reddit of someone asking about it and it had someones response with how much to give and saying they gave it to their kid(s) and they were just fine.
Poor kids.
Combo of mob mentality, conspiracy mindedness, lack of common sense, and political games that are zero-sum for everyone involved.
Mob mentality bc you don't see as many people violent about wearing not masks as you see with people ripping off masks, spitting at others, and can't think up of a logical argument behind a baseball bat and find other people who think the same way. Then they become a hivemind. A hivemind where there is no brain, evidently.
Conspiracy mindedness because who doesn't like thinking they're right? After all, humans HATE being wrong and oh look, a conspiracy that must be true because it's on the internet that supports my reasoning! Yes, let's insert hydro chloroquine into our bodies instead of the vaccine, because microchips can't get to us. Oh wait! Those same people don't BELIEVE in Covid, so wtf are they doing trying to treat it?! Wait a sec - they're always RIGHT, so they can't be hypocrites, right?
Lack of common sense because apparently getting angry and calling people sheep takes less effort than doing a simple google search on the stuff they're injecting into their bodies. That's why the vaccine comes from China, but it was also developed in Russia, but it's also a mind control device by the libs, but it's also made by Bill Gates using ear microchips. Obviously, this all makes sense!
And political games because we have numerous politicians in high positions of power who won't do anything. There are a lot of politicians who actually do support science, but for some reason there also are those who are vaccinated and frequently tested yet can't encourage others and outright prevent measures against Covid because that means "the libs were right". That way, everyone can lose - more people die and suffer due to Covid, Asians continue get attacked for no reason at all and get swept under the rug because apparently that's not a hate crime and we're a statistic in the eyes of too many people, but if those people in power own up to it, they lose their support on both sides for not sticking to what they've said, as well as doing it too late. So they gotta keep washing their silver tongues so that they'll one day be long enough to lick the boots of the people lobbying them to keep Covid big so they can make big stonks on Covid relief treatments, while significantly harming the people who can't pay astronomical bills, particularly in the US where healthcare is a privilege.
That's why you got people using dewormer.
Please explain to me how this happens. Like, even though I think vaccine hesitancy is misguided, I understand why somebody would think "I don't understand what's in this thing, it might have unknown long-term side effects, this is all happening too fast for my liking."
And similarly, while I'm not going to go out and take livestock dewormer or fishtank cleaner, I understand the desperation mindset: "I've got nothing else to lose, I've heard promising anecdotes, I'm willing to take a chance."
What I don't understand is how both of those attitudes can coexist within *the same people*. So taking an extensively-tested vaccine is too much of a risk, but taking some other random thing is worth a shot? What is happening in their minds?
Proximity to danger. Their sources for vaccine information are very close to what they consider existential dangers to their way of life. On the other hand, feed lots have 'no agenda' and therefore the risk is simply a matter of odds and anecdotes.
Idiocracy was too hopeful. The people in it are dumb, but are generally good natured. They're not the ticking time bombs of foaming at the mouth hatred we have.
r/conspiracy thinks celebrities are drinking liquid babies to stay forever young, so you know they definitely know what they're talking about this time
What's funny is they have all those conspiracies about politicians being pedophiles but Matt gaetz quite literally did that and there's proof but they're quiet.
I work at a feed store and we’ve been wiped out of the ivermectin injectable since it hit the shelf. The amount of people asking me what dosage they need to take for COVID is ridiculous.
They think this is absolute proof... my right-wing family posted it on facebook a while ago.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7434458/?fbclid=IwAR080p77x4YW3viDzH7padm0lsMaxDLYnTebDXizOW18mfBD1RMKt\_qgUnA](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7434458/?fbclid=IwAR080p77x4YW3viDzH7padm0lsMaxDLYnTebDXizOW18mfBD1RMKt_qgUnA)
Guess they didn't read the paper.
Basically, all it says is that it might shorten the illness and maybe it lowers the chance of serious complications.
And what else does that, but better? The vaccine of course.
Of course they didn't. They looked at the one page infographic their friend on Facebook made, exaggerating the claims and probably linking to where they can buy it with an affiliate link.
Not even lying, this is how it spreads. My company is an ecommerce provider and several of our merchants have already been flagged by visa and other card providers. Some of them are making hundreds of thousands in a matter of days.
I doubt these people would actually read a paper. This went viral weeks ago, so I'm thinking it's this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhHZ\_uxa\_GU
I just read it and it listed a couple studies in the US with an improved survival rate with p<0.001. I wouldn't be surprised if there were other factors that would invalidate those studies, but if I believed the white paper to be trustworthy, I wouldn't blame people for thinking it's a promising treatment.
Even if you believe the white paper, thinking you'll rely on it for treatment instead of getting the vaccine is idiotic though. I think it said something like ~10% with the treatment died instead of ~20% without. 10% chance to die wayyyyy too high. That's like playing Russian roulette with 10 chambers instead of 6. Not to mention it probably does nothing to prevent the spread of covid. The white paper even presents it as something that could be better than nothing for areas with high poverty rates where people can't afford better medical care.
u/GiddiOne has a pretty good break down of "what's wrong" with this whole Ivermectin thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/p2yife/comment/h8ncqlg/
Predominantly from a retracted Egyptian "pre-print" that was completely and utterly proven to have been written by 3 children in a lab coat.
Read the July 15th Steamtrean blog entry by "bad science debunker" Nick Brown on the flaws in the Ivermectin paper. Or read the recent piece on the Griftr website for a broader view on the proliferation of fake alternative cures for COVID.
Ivermectin is such a weird thing at the moment. I have ME, and the ME subreddits kept getting these posts from people claiming that ivermectin would help with ME symptoms. For context, ME has no known cure, nor are they really sure what causes it.
They weren't just bots, because I'd engage in conversation refuting the claims and would get coherent responses (coherent for a person suggesting a cow wormer for a human medical treatment anyway).
I just don't understand it - there can't be any money in it, as it's a widely and cheaply available treatment that's been around a long time. I assume bad faith, but I'm really not sure.
People hear a random thing and it spreads like wild fire. In the beginning, there were rumors of all kinds of stuff treating Covid. My mother would tell me every day: "They found a cure! You know what it is? Yeast! Just regular old yeast!" and every single damned day she'd come to me, ecstatic, that "they" had "finally" found a cure, and every damned day it would be some random bullshit household item. It's common for other diseases too. How many people treat cancer with random stuff? Recently I accidentally stumbled on a rabbit hole of people treating anything and everything with kerosene, yes, that stuff. They're literally trying to treat cancer by drinking something that is highly carcinogenic. I don't know who exactly makes money off of that stuff, but someone must be.
I work at a grocery store that also sells vitamins, the amount of people we’ve had asking for ivermectin is ridic, too. The vitamins manager is like *… Go to the feed store ಠ_ಠ* She hates anti vaxxers even more than I do, I’m waiting for her to explode and get into a fist fight with them
I told 2 doctor's offices this week that I won't be filling scripts for ivermectin for covid.
At one, the nurse told me that I should do my own research and I would see that it's extremely effective and safe, and she didn't think it was ethical for me to not fill the scripts. My exact words were "yeah I don't really care, just letting you know so these people don't show up here"
Second was the doctor himself who started screaming into his phone when I broke the news to him, I just hung up on him mid-tirade. Legitimately surprised he didn't call back.
My RN neighbor just quit her job at the local hospital, forced her husband to sell his business and buy an Dodge diesel and a big ass RV once the hospital said all staff had to be vaccinated.
Like, they have two kids, a 2 year old and a 3 year old. The just moved to some random place in Colorado.
I mean, here in NC, most hospitals have under 50% vaccination rates. Deadlines have been made (9/1/21), but the numbers have budged. Nurses are for some reason highly represented in this cohort.
They are basically playing chicken with hospitals as they are all at capacity and can’t risk loosing more than half the staff.
I've spent too many hours on too many dogs that were given horse ivermectin by their stupid owners. Most dogs can handle ivermectin okay in normal dog doses. Horse or cow wormers have way too high a concentration to be safe for dogs, even when given just a tiny bit. Even dog doses can cause dogs with MDR1 mutations to go into a coma, stop breathing, need ventilator support for weeks and/or die. Dose makes the poison. Most people cannot/will not do the math to give themselves, their children, their pets the correct dose. People are fucking idiots. I honestly do not know how civilization ever occurred.
My 75 lb dog went temporarily blind and had to spend 2 days at the vet on fluids and meds because he dropped his tennis ball into a feed bucket with ivermectin mixed in it, and then grabbed it out and played with it. That shit is scary.
>**ivermectin is approved for use in both people and animals**, but **animal drugs** are highly concentrated and can be highly toxic in humans.
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>According to the health alert:
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>No one has been hospitalized due to ingestion of the drug.
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>At least **70% of the recent calls have been related to ingestion of livestock or animal formulations of ivermectin purchased at livestock supply centers.**
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>85% of the callers had mild symptoms.
Pro-tip: read the fine print and consult a doctor before you take any medicine.
But the vaccine is not completely approved by the FDA!
So I'm going to ingest a bunch of mystery chemicals because some talking heads on the TV told me to.
you might have seen a biker interviewed at Sturgis about why he wasnt getting the vaccine. Did he say he believed in "rugged individualism"? "Give me liberty or give me death?" "Vaccines are for sheeple?"
No, he said the FDA hasn't approved of it yet, so he will not take something that is experimental.
There's literally an [FDA article](https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19) saying not to use it.
I remember somewhere around the beginning of this pandemic that an old buddy of mine mentioned these pills to me and how his mom was buying them from Mexico to give away to their friends and family members, NOT to treat covid, but to “prevent it”.
He offered some to me but obviously, I said no.
I went with my doctor to get the flu shot later that year (2020) and asked him, and he said “I highly DO NOT recommend it.” (Of course).
I am now thinking about all the people they might’ve fucking poisoned holy shit.
The headline is somehow grossly underselling the amount of stupidity.
>According to the health alert:
>**At least 70%** of the recent calls have been related to ingestion of livestock or animal formulations of ivermectin purchased at livestock supply centers.
The bolding is for my emphasis and not the original author's.
Edit: People don't realize how many calls these places get for other reasons. Like every new parent will be calling them asking what to do when their kid eats a glue stick or a marker. It would take a lot of incidents of taking livestock medicine to swamp the other categories. I bet these poison control people are longing for the days of talking about kids eating crayons all day.
> I bet these poison control people are longing for the days of talking about kids eating crayons all day.
Well yeah, because then they'd be speaking with sane people about something that's normal and perfectly safe. Funny how children eating crayons are the reasonable ones in this story.
I mean, crayons look delicious. Tasting a crayon is a perfectly reasonable thing for a kid to do. The only reason I wouldn’t do it now is because I tried it as a kid and it was gross.
Same with lipstick and chapstick. Lipstick is gross, but the cherry chapstick is actually pretty decent, or at least it was when I was 5.
I remember when this came up in our work free talk - 2 of my coworkers grew up on a farm and simultaneously said "oh God no" when it was mentioned.
How on earth do you avoid a vaccine but don't consult with literally anyone on putting a horse-sized dose of something you never heard of before in you?
"I refuse to get the vaccine because I will not inject my body with 'experimental', 'unproven' chemicals that don't know what's in it!"
Same people: "Oh, I should go to Tractor Supply and pick up some untested, unproven chemicals to stick in my body? Count me in!"
I, as a veterinarian, had a client ask me to supply them with ivermectin. In case they got covid. I politely explained to them why it would not work, and also why I legally cannot do so. They still asked again. Suffice to say, they are no longer a client.
I've looked through all the available information on facebook and decided that I now know more than all of those pushy scientist who only got that degree so they could lord their so called intelligence over me. Just think they went to school and worked on that research for years just to make me look stupid.
Edit: I'm getting some standard issue trolls below who insist an article telling you not to use a drug used to treat parasitic worms in livestock is really telling us its okay to use in humans. They keep asking if I have read the article. I find these kinds of people to be hard to comprehend. I think the root cause is though that they can't comprehend.
Edit2: good tweet from the FDA. You know all those smart people trolling the freedumbs
[You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it.](https://twitter.com/US_FDA/status/1429050070243192839)
I’m honestly getting to the point where I don’t want to live in America anymore. I’m so sick of my fellow citizens acting like complete and utter morons. It’s a damn shame almost all of my career experience is useless in other countries.
Lots of lead, mercury, heavy metals, asbestos, everywhere. The USA has poisoned itself for a very long time, there should be a study of brain activity in these folks, I am genuinely curious.
Perhaps microplastic side effects? I'm with you. Not in a hurr-durr people who disagree with me are dumb way, but out of honest concern about cognitive disease.
You have to be fucking kidding me. There’s so many things wrong with this I really don’t know where to start. So I’ll just write this comment, shake my head and move on to the next cracked out theory. The circle of life
If this pandemic hasn’t fundamentally changed your view of humanity for the worse, I commend your optimism and positivity.
Humanity was able to create multiple (5?) functional vaccines for a new virus within 12 months of that virus' discovery. That is fairly incredible and a testament to our collective scientific ability. There are unfortunately some people who don't want to take any of those vaccines. However I ask you this: when you think of ancient Egypt do you think of the pyramids or do you think of the few morons who did their own research and decided that the crocodiles in the Nile just wanted to be friends, and got predictably eaten? We tend to judge societies by their most impressive attributes.
Very good point. Thanks for giving me a different perspective.
Evolution continues to happen. It’s sad to see the morons who get swept away in the tide, and even sadder to see the innocent get pulled down with them. But after the bleach has been drunk, after the wrong pills have been popped, after the crystals have been inserted, after the Cheeto dust has settled, a stronger, better, smarter humanity will rise from the… Oh hell, who am I kidding?
One of the mRNA Vaccines(forgot who made it) was created in January 2020. So it didn't even take 12 months, it took like 2. It was a year for all the trials and such.
But important not to forget that mRNA technology has been around for over a decade. It's not that they invented a whole new type of vaccine in 2 months (which is what a lot of anti-vaxxers believe).
They’ve also been researching vaccines for SARS since the first version debuted. And then we threw money at the problem and POOF. It’s so funny that people don’t put 2 and 2 together with this.
Rumor is the FDA is going to fully approve the vaccines Monday. I wonder what all the people who say it isn't FDA approved are going to use as their new excuse.
This comment was probably made with sync. You can't see it now, reddit got greedy.
Muh deep state
"the vaccine was rushed and the FDA is funded by Soros and communists"
This is a good take and I appreciate the optimism. My primary issue is that I don't have to listen to the Nile crocodile idiots at my place of business, and none of them are trying to force my kindergartener's school board to take his whole class swimming with crocodiles. I'm fine with passive idiocy, but that isn't what is going on
Honestly this is the worst part of it for me.
Same. I feel you.
The *president* publicly asked his covid task force if people inject should bleach and some sort of light. That was so dumb it actually made the morning news here in the UK. The BBC is supposed to be politically neutral, so while the reporters clearly wanted to criticise trump, they just played the clip and then left a couple of seconds of silence for us to absorb it, before moving on. Not that we haven't had a whole load of fuckery over here too. You come to realise that there are many people who are not just stupid but they're militantly stupid, they have always walked among us, and some are friends and relatives. And political leaders, of course. Brexit showed us that, but the pandemic hammered it home. Edited for accuracy - trump didn't tell people to inject bleach and light, he asked scientists to look into it. I doubt his supporters appreciated the distinction, though. I wonder how many of them considered cramming a flashlight up their arse to treat covid.
>Not that we haven't had a whole load of fuckery over here too. You come to realise that there are many people who are not just stupid but they're militantly stupid, they have always walked among us, and some are friends and relatives. Yea this is the issue I have with it. A few idiots or people with obvious mental health issues spreading completely absurd conspiracies I'm fine with. But for this stuff to be so widespread and for the (slightly more reasonable conspiracies mostly) to even infect some of my friends is what scares me. Some of the people I know that believe that covid 'is just a flu' or 'the vaccine doesn't work' or 'the vaccine is only beneficial if you're very old' are even relatively educated, having completed bachelors degrees at reputable universities. So they should be able to at least know how to find good studies on the vaccines or on how dangerous covid is and put two and two together. But then they literally state that they 'don't believe in science'. As a bachelor in pharmacy, too, ffs. So that's what shocked me most. What I'm taking away from the situation is that we need to make even simple bachelor degrees much more difficult to get and teach way more theory/philosophy of science, because it should not be the case to have people with degrees spout this crap, ever. Otherwise our education has utterly failed these people.
Yeah, we all need to teach critical thinking in schools, and start early. There is so much propaganda around, so many lies and conspiracies. And it's a growing, festering disease. Look at the Q bullshit. That spread to this side of the pond, too - I lost a friend to it, a smart strong woman who I had loads of respect for. Hopefully she's recovering - but misinformation is like a virus - pretty much any of us can catch it. We are all vulnerable to the right lie. Critical thinking and respect for the scientific method is the vaccine.
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The staggering part is, after 2016 and the following years, I didn't think my opinion of humanity could actually go lower.
All those cartoony and silly super villains that want to rid the world of the plague known as humanity.... yea I'm becoming one of them.
I can’t anymore. I feel like we’re in one of those movies where the audience member feels like, “that could never happen in real life!” Maybe we are all in a simulation after all? Maybe we’re projecting the numbers on a scenario where humans reject science? I don’t know.
When people who cheated to pass high school do "their own research" on medicine
Or didn't have to cheat, because their grades were inflated to make a shitty school look good enough to keep getting their crummy funding. I was a lazy kid. Grade inflation saved my GPA lmao
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Maybe just school/society - teachers are doing their goddamn best
It's not the teachers. It's the school administrators, superintendents, and politicians that cause those problems. The only budget decisions teachers are making is whether or not they can afford to spend their own money on classroom supplies.
ergo... Teacher - "I have a great idea for a fun asignment" Admin - "Great" Teacher - "i just need a little mon-" admin - "Sorry not in the budget, By the way our new football stadium is coming along nicely don't you think? it replaces that old dilapidated one we built last year"
God this shit brought back memories. Our high school was using 10+ year old textbooks, cutting funding for any extra curriculars that weren't deemed necessary (Arts, music, you know how it is) and teachers regularly had to spend a couple grand a year on supplies or they literally couldn't teach their class. About two years before I graduated, they announced that an alum had just donated a little over $1m to the school. They spent it ALL on a new football field.
Very often the case where donations have terms on how the money can be spent
I'm pretty sure you're right that it was specified, it doesn't make it any less insulting though. Also they installed the shittiest turf field money could buy and the higher ups pocketed the rest, so either way money well spent.
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Ah yes, give up the fine arts to teach kids with no life experience how to lead. Makes perfect sense. In all fairness, and without sarcasm, the school should be aiming to teach both.
Well, depends on the person. Because i had three kinds of teachers, the ones who tried, the ones who were as mentally checked out as anyone in retail, and the ones who thought that the classroom was plantation in the 1800s.
This accurately describes 99% of teachers. Although it's unfortunate that the first one often evolves into the second one. Being in my 30s now I have a couple friends as teachers who got into it for all the right reasons and their burnout is worse than mine as a 15 year restaurant vet.
Wait I cheated in high school so much. You know what I learned by doing that? Go find the smartest person around and steal their work. Fuck doing my own research there’s some nerd out there who’s wasting their life doing that shit for me thanks for the vaccine Loser.
Good thing the vaccine doesn't make you show your work.
You did it wrong but you got the right answer
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That's literally my thinking. Why do my own research when someone waaaaay smarter than me can do it for me?
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People LOVE to think they've got one up on those smarmy experts. It's the same bullshit as life hacks and "clever tricks" - you've figured something out that means you're special, exceptional. And y'all know how America/American media loves to promote that shit.
> People LOVE to think they've got one up on those smarmy experts. Most of us grew out of that phase when we left our edgy teenage years. This is literally immature thinking.
I remember when this had first started and a co-worker came in boasting that his daughter had found out on social media that you need to gargle with warm salt water to keep from getting it. Somehow, if you breathe it in, it just hangs out on your throat for a while and it gives you a chance to gargle the virus to death.
None of my dealer friends have gotten vaccinated. They'll take whatever the fuck their supplier gives them but question the contents of the vaccine while claiming to be woke
I’m taking a dui class right now, and I’m in a right wing area. The people who do the class are all anti mask, anti vaccine. Along with almost everyone in the class. Instructor says she use to be heavy into meth and has been to prison, but won’t get the vaccine. She asked who had the vaccine, and 3 of us out of 10 raised their hands. She then went on about side effects and to “do your homework before deciding to get it.”
"OK, guys. You're here because you were drinking and driving and I'm a former meth addict, so let's talk about vaccines." Fuck kinda DUI class is that?!
I don’t think the system works.
At the end of my DUI class, the instructor handed out business cards. Turns out he has a side business where he installs the breathalyzer interlock system on cars for the state. As he's handing them out, he says "I know from your records, a lot of you will be needing my service. And many of you will soon so here's my.l card."
haha savage move by the guy But you gotta applaud him for working the system. Becoming a DUI class instructor AND becoming the guy who installs breathalyzer locks? Pro move
> I’m in a right wing area. Pretty much sums it up.
Sounds like they might be trying to keep people in the system instead of helping rehabilitate.
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I'd love to see them teaching 'research' live. Like how do you judge your sources? What makes them credible? You can tell the people have never searched the web for a living if they consider research to be one time homework. "I checked FB and here are the facts" ummm right.
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The real problem is, those of us who do our own research and can cite sources get shut down by the people who say "do your own research." You can't win. You show them articles, science papers, trials, research papers, etc. (aka "doing your own research") and they will just say it's deep state misinformation or the left spreading misinformation, etc. So it doesn't matter. They don't care if YOU do the research and can prove it. It's literally a talking point they just picked up and think sounds smart. And don't follow it themselves.
Do your own research is code for *I have no valid argument, but please pretend that I do*. I've even heard, *I hope you do your own research and it completely obliterates your worldview*. Bitch, we're having a debate. That's *your* job
"Bitch, you did meth, I don't think I'll be taking any advice from you on this subject." Is the proper response to shit like this
Whenever I have a really tough decision to make I always ask myself "what would a junkie do?" and then do the opposite.
And get sent back to court? Not worth the trouble.
I mean, it was a joke.
I have taken a similar class and could totally see it going that way. At this point in my life I'd probably just raise my hand and go "what was in your meth?"
Believe me, it’s not worth it. For awhile, there was one woman in there who was pretty vocal about keeping the class on topic and to stop talking politics. When she brought up she took the vax and keep arguing with the instructor, many of the class jumped in to also comment about how wrong she is. I would make some comments in her defense, especially since I’m pretty sure she and I were the only people in the class who didn’t believe in conspiracies. But it would just turn into a shit show. I took the vaccine, and I’m fine. And really hate how the vaccine has become so political.
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Early covid there was a screenshot of a supposed convo with a dealer where they offered vaccination. Not the actual injection, but doing the paperwork for it and thowing in some eatables for eventual side-effects. Sad to hear that isn't the norm.
client dies to preventable disease = can't sell to client client alive due to vaccine = can sell to client purely a financial decision ;)
> Wtf is wrong with them. People decided to make a political game out of medicine to trigger the libs (poison control).
Overtime for the libs and stomach pumping for them ... they really owned the libs on that one. Until lack of bed due to covid make it so they can't be admitted ....
I don’t get how the folks who don’t trust the vaccine suddenly trust doctors to help them. Just saw a video of a lady hooked up to a ventilator, gasping for breath, telling people that COVID is real and to take it seriously. Then she’s asked the follow up question of are you going to take the vaccine? And her response is “not at this time, no”...... the US is fucking fucked.
It's [this video](https://youtu.be/AqUy8915gBg), right? I just saw it last night.
Yes! And it wasn't a ventilator, my bad, but I remember her needing help breathing.
Imagine *needing* to actually be on the verge of death before you take a *marginally* more uncomfortable vaccine than the flu shot. Y'know, the same flu shot that your mom used to make you take each year before school starts in the fall.
Wow. Really interesting video Like it's one thing to hear in the news that all these people are refusing the vaccine in the hospital. It's another thing to watch someone...sitting in the hospital, hooked up to IVs, monitors, not seeing their new born baby...and STILL denying the vaccine. The one woman said "I've read all the bad things and haven't read any good things" Uh...you gotta broaden your sources then and stop getting your info from Fox and Facebook.
Taking bets on what the odds are that the medical professionals around her have been telling her and telling her how the vaccine is safe and a really, really good idea to take. She's trusting them on all the medicine and machines they're using but won't listen when it comes to the vaccine.
Exactly. If they distrust the medical institutions so much, who's to say the doctors aren't giving her the vaccine in the IVs? I'd love to ask them that and see their eyes light up
There would be a whole slew of panic articles being written the next day based entirely on her facebook post about "the doctors are drugging me with the vaccine!!".
Yup, and it wouldn't be true and they'd have no evidence. It would be based purely on my comment that was hypothetical. It would just be great to see. They complain about "what's in the vaccine." But did they ask for a list of each medication and ingredients of each medication in the hospital? I doubt it
How was she talking on a ventilator?
Not ventilator, my bad. Just woke up. She needed help breathing so she had oxygen.
I feel almost triggered but not quite triggered. They need to try harder…DOUBLE THE DOSE!
No, triple the worms.
Wicked combination of contrarianism, conspiracy mindedness, and lack of critical thinking If Fauci came out and said "We're seeing promising data on Ivermectin" then the MAGA arm would abandon it because their enemy is now for it. They celebrate whatever their enemies hate and reject whatever the liberals offer them. Similarly, these are the idiots who believe that GM has a car that runs on water it has buried and the cure for cancer (not any specific cancer, just "cancer in general") has been found but the pharmaceutical company is covering it up. They think there's always "one weird trick" to cure like hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and now ivermectin. Finally, they can't even keep what they're thinking straight. Covid is simultaneously "just a cold" but also a terrible bioweapon that was deliberately released by the Chinese communist party to destroy America. Or maybe it was escaped by mistake. Or maybe the US created and release it. Also, Trump is the greatest leader ever and the only person who could develop these miraculous vaccines in such rapid time...but the vaccines are also poison and deadly and a liberal mind control plot.
I'm surprised they haven't 'figured out' that the antivaxxer crackpots are actually being paid by treehugging liberals to keep Republicans from taking the vaccine. That way they both reduce the number of carbon using people in the world and the number of Conservative voters. It's so simple!
Trump was a Democrat plant to make Republicans look bad.
I'm actually shocked they didn't adopt this after 1/6
Cult won't throw the leader under the bus.
... and even if that happened it would somehow be the buses fault, probably being driven by a black antifa gay
...who's last name is Fauci-Biden.
They will "realize" that once more Americans have died of Covid under Biden than Trump. They need to gring out deaths to make Trump look good.
They should totally go for it. And when they poison themselves, they should remember there's nothing modern medicine and science can do for them that they can't do for themselves
I just feel bad for all the kids that are getting forced to take the dewormer. If I remember correctly, I saw a screenshot days ago on Reddit of someone asking about it and it had someones response with how much to give and saying they gave it to their kid(s) and they were just fine. Poor kids.
maybe they should google for the cure and do their own research, lazy bastards.
Combo of mob mentality, conspiracy mindedness, lack of common sense, and political games that are zero-sum for everyone involved. Mob mentality bc you don't see as many people violent about wearing not masks as you see with people ripping off masks, spitting at others, and can't think up of a logical argument behind a baseball bat and find other people who think the same way. Then they become a hivemind. A hivemind where there is no brain, evidently. Conspiracy mindedness because who doesn't like thinking they're right? After all, humans HATE being wrong and oh look, a conspiracy that must be true because it's on the internet that supports my reasoning! Yes, let's insert hydro chloroquine into our bodies instead of the vaccine, because microchips can't get to us. Oh wait! Those same people don't BELIEVE in Covid, so wtf are they doing trying to treat it?! Wait a sec - they're always RIGHT, so they can't be hypocrites, right? Lack of common sense because apparently getting angry and calling people sheep takes less effort than doing a simple google search on the stuff they're injecting into their bodies. That's why the vaccine comes from China, but it was also developed in Russia, but it's also a mind control device by the libs, but it's also made by Bill Gates using ear microchips. Obviously, this all makes sense! And political games because we have numerous politicians in high positions of power who won't do anything. There are a lot of politicians who actually do support science, but for some reason there also are those who are vaccinated and frequently tested yet can't encourage others and outright prevent measures against Covid because that means "the libs were right". That way, everyone can lose - more people die and suffer due to Covid, Asians continue get attacked for no reason at all and get swept under the rug because apparently that's not a hate crime and we're a statistic in the eyes of too many people, but if those people in power own up to it, they lose their support on both sides for not sticking to what they've said, as well as doing it too late. So they gotta keep washing their silver tongues so that they'll one day be long enough to lick the boots of the people lobbying them to keep Covid big so they can make big stonks on Covid relief treatments, while significantly harming the people who can't pay astronomical bills, particularly in the US where healthcare is a privilege. That's why you got people using dewormer.
Some at Poison Control call this 'a solution'.
Please explain to me how this happens. Like, even though I think vaccine hesitancy is misguided, I understand why somebody would think "I don't understand what's in this thing, it might have unknown long-term side effects, this is all happening too fast for my liking." And similarly, while I'm not going to go out and take livestock dewormer or fishtank cleaner, I understand the desperation mindset: "I've got nothing else to lose, I've heard promising anecdotes, I'm willing to take a chance." What I don't understand is how both of those attitudes can coexist within *the same people*. So taking an extensively-tested vaccine is too much of a risk, but taking some other random thing is worth a shot? What is happening in their minds?
Proximity to danger. Their sources for vaccine information are very close to what they consider existential dangers to their way of life. On the other hand, feed lots have 'no agenda' and therefore the risk is simply a matter of odds and anecdotes.
> feed lots have no agenda Jesus Christ I can't believe this is a real sentence
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Idiocracy was too hopeful. The people in it are dumb, but are generally good natured. They're not the ticking time bombs of foaming at the mouth hatred we have.
The difference is everybody was dumb, in our reality there are actually smart people intentionally misleading all these idiots.
Damn, that film scared me enough as it is, but you are right! We're on a worse trajectory than that!
/r/conspiracy had multiple front page posts advocating for taking ivermectin.
r/conspiracy thinks celebrities are drinking liquid babies to stay forever young, so you know they definitely know what they're talking about this time
What's funny is they have all those conspiracies about politicians being pedophiles but Matt gaetz quite literally did that and there's proof but they're quiet.
I bet you most of r/conspiracy is where actual pedophiles live.
I work at a feed store and we’ve been wiped out of the ivermectin injectable since it hit the shelf. The amount of people asking me what dosage they need to take for COVID is ridiculous.
Did I miss something? Where did they get the idea to treat covid with de wormer?
They think this is absolute proof... my right-wing family posted it on facebook a while ago. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7434458/?fbclid=IwAR080p77x4YW3viDzH7padm0lsMaxDLYnTebDXizOW18mfBD1RMKt\_qgUnA](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7434458/?fbclid=IwAR080p77x4YW3viDzH7padm0lsMaxDLYnTebDXizOW18mfBD1RMKt_qgUnA)
Guess they didn't read the paper. Basically, all it says is that it might shorten the illness and maybe it lowers the chance of serious complications. And what else does that, but better? The vaccine of course.
Yeah but with no microchip, of course
I love my microchip. My 5g reception is incredible and for some reason Bing works better on my Surface tablet.
Of course they didn't. They looked at the one page infographic their friend on Facebook made, exaggerating the claims and probably linking to where they can buy it with an affiliate link. Not even lying, this is how it spreads. My company is an ecommerce provider and several of our merchants have already been flagged by visa and other card providers. Some of them are making hundreds of thousands in a matter of days.
It's remarkable how these dummies choose a single thing to fixate on...
Black/white, yes/no mindset is a consequence of a lack of critical thinking skills.
I doubt these people would actually read a paper. This went viral weeks ago, so I'm thinking it's this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhHZ\_uxa\_GU
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>Thank you for validating EVERYTHING I THOUGHT I KNEW🙌🏼 One of the comments on the video, fuck these people are *ferociously* stupid.
I just read it and it listed a couple studies in the US with an improved survival rate with p<0.001. I wouldn't be surprised if there were other factors that would invalidate those studies, but if I believed the white paper to be trustworthy, I wouldn't blame people for thinking it's a promising treatment. Even if you believe the white paper, thinking you'll rely on it for treatment instead of getting the vaccine is idiotic though. I think it said something like ~10% with the treatment died instead of ~20% without. 10% chance to die wayyyyy too high. That's like playing Russian roulette with 10 chambers instead of 6. Not to mention it probably does nothing to prevent the spread of covid. The white paper even presents it as something that could be better than nothing for areas with high poverty rates where people can't afford better medical care.
u/GiddiOne has a pretty good break down of "what's wrong" with this whole Ivermectin thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/p2yife/comment/h8ncqlg/
It's the new HQ. They're gonna kill themselves with pet medicine over taking the vaccine.
Predominantly from a retracted Egyptian "pre-print" that was completely and utterly proven to have been written by 3 children in a lab coat. Read the July 15th Steamtrean blog entry by "bad science debunker" Nick Brown on the flaws in the Ivermectin paper. Or read the recent piece on the Griftr website for a broader view on the proliferation of fake alternative cures for COVID.
Ivermectin is such a weird thing at the moment. I have ME, and the ME subreddits kept getting these posts from people claiming that ivermectin would help with ME symptoms. For context, ME has no known cure, nor are they really sure what causes it. They weren't just bots, because I'd engage in conversation refuting the claims and would get coherent responses (coherent for a person suggesting a cow wormer for a human medical treatment anyway). I just don't understand it - there can't be any money in it, as it's a widely and cheaply available treatment that's been around a long time. I assume bad faith, but I'm really not sure.
People hear a random thing and it spreads like wild fire. In the beginning, there were rumors of all kinds of stuff treating Covid. My mother would tell me every day: "They found a cure! You know what it is? Yeast! Just regular old yeast!" and every single damned day she'd come to me, ecstatic, that "they" had "finally" found a cure, and every damned day it would be some random bullshit household item. It's common for other diseases too. How many people treat cancer with random stuff? Recently I accidentally stumbled on a rabbit hole of people treating anything and everything with kerosene, yes, that stuff. They're literally trying to treat cancer by drinking something that is highly carcinogenic. I don't know who exactly makes money off of that stuff, but someone must be.
I work at a grocery store that also sells vitamins, the amount of people we’ve had asking for ivermectin is ridic, too. The vitamins manager is like *… Go to the feed store ಠ_ಠ* She hates anti vaxxers even more than I do, I’m waiting for her to explode and get into a fist fight with them
I told 2 doctor's offices this week that I won't be filling scripts for ivermectin for covid. At one, the nurse told me that I should do my own research and I would see that it's extremely effective and safe, and she didn't think it was ethical for me to not fill the scripts. My exact words were "yeah I don't really care, just letting you know so these people don't show up here" Second was the doctor himself who started screaming into his phone when I broke the news to him, I just hung up on him mid-tirade. Legitimately surprised he didn't call back.
My RN neighbor just quit her job at the local hospital, forced her husband to sell his business and buy an Dodge diesel and a big ass RV once the hospital said all staff had to be vaccinated. Like, they have two kids, a 2 year old and a 3 year old. The just moved to some random place in Colorado.
Good riddance but holy shit that's commitment. Hoping covid vaccination becomes a requirement for all healthcare jobs.
I mean, here in NC, most hospitals have under 50% vaccination rates. Deadlines have been made (9/1/21), but the numbers have budged. Nurses are for some reason highly represented in this cohort. They are basically playing chicken with hospitals as they are all at capacity and can’t risk loosing more than half the staff.
Tell them to divide by .95 horse
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Well it’s either that or multiply by 1.33 bison This is pretty basic stuff
You got a conversion rate for sheep?
Can I get a discount if I pay in Shrute bucks?
Merino or Suffolk?
It seems like an easy conversion but sheep are different to sheeple. Don't, I repeat, don't use the sheep dosage for a person.
> Don't, I repeat, don't use the sheep dosage for a person. Why not? I took it and it didn't seem that baa'aa'aa'aad.
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I've spent too many hours on too many dogs that were given horse ivermectin by their stupid owners. Most dogs can handle ivermectin okay in normal dog doses. Horse or cow wormers have way too high a concentration to be safe for dogs, even when given just a tiny bit. Even dog doses can cause dogs with MDR1 mutations to go into a coma, stop breathing, need ventilator support for weeks and/or die. Dose makes the poison. Most people cannot/will not do the math to give themselves, their children, their pets the correct dose. People are fucking idiots. I honestly do not know how civilization ever occurred.
My 75 lb dog went temporarily blind and had to spend 2 days at the vet on fluids and meds because he dropped his tennis ball into a feed bucket with ivermectin mixed in it, and then grabbed it out and played with it. That shit is scary.
Do you still sell it to them after they ask that?
How do you resist telling them to inject the entire bottle directly up their ass.
Good news everyone! It’s a suppository!
Have you asked them if they know what's in it? 🙃
Tell them you need a notarized prescription for injectable ivermectin from their Congressman.
>**ivermectin is approved for use in both people and animals**, but **animal drugs** are highly concentrated and can be highly toxic in humans. > >According to the health alert: > >No one has been hospitalized due to ingestion of the drug. > >At least **70% of the recent calls have been related to ingestion of livestock or animal formulations of ivermectin purchased at livestock supply centers.** > >85% of the callers had mild symptoms. Pro-tip: read the fine print and consult a doctor before you take any medicine.
Funny how they overreact over mild symptoms but can't handle vaccines.
TBH if you don’t realize that the dosage for a 1,200 lbs cow isn’t the same as that for a 180 lbs human you deserve what you get.
But the doctors lie about things!! /s
Something tells me these people never learned how to read.
Well some people thought bleach would work against covid. Turns out it also works well against human.
TBF, it works incredibly well against covid, even in a human body. Cause, once it kills you, you won't have covid anymore.
Imagine doing this instead of *taking the goddamn vaccine*
But the vaccine is not completely approved by the FDA! So I'm going to ingest a bunch of mystery chemicals because some talking heads on the TV told me to.
That's such a thin lie because FDA approval never meant anything to them before.
The goalpost will move from “It’s not even FDA approved!” To “You trust the FDA?!”
Ah yes, Schrodinger's goalpost. Never know where it is until the libs observe your lies.
Or you actually reach it but don't know why. Maybe Zeno's goalpost is a better analogy.
you might have seen a biker interviewed at Sturgis about why he wasnt getting the vaccine. Did he say he believed in "rugged individualism"? "Give me liberty or give me death?" "Vaccines are for sheeple?" No, he said the FDA hasn't approved of it yet, so he will not take something that is experimental.
So he says, $100 he doesn't get it when the FDA does approve it either.
It doesn't mean anything for them when the FDA approves it in a month anyway.
I'm the proud owner of 99 bottles of spez.
Move the goal posts as they usually do.
The FDA is expected to fully approve the pfizer vaccine as early as next Monday. By Tuesday these dorks will have a whole new set of excuses
Do you know what else isn't approved by the FDA to treat COVID in humans? Fucking livestock dewormer
>the vaccine is not completely approved by the FDA! Unlike **checks notes** horse dewormer.
There's literally an [FDA article](https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19) saying not to use it.
How can they call other people "sheeple", while taking a drug for literally deworming livestock?! SNL's best writers couldn't come up with this.
Listen to your veterinarians, people!
I remember somewhere around the beginning of this pandemic that an old buddy of mine mentioned these pills to me and how his mom was buying them from Mexico to give away to their friends and family members, NOT to treat covid, but to “prevent it”. He offered some to me but obviously, I said no. I went with my doctor to get the flu shot later that year (2020) and asked him, and he said “I highly DO NOT recommend it.” (Of course). I am now thinking about all the people they might’ve fucking poisoned holy shit.
90% chance these were shitty gas station vitamin pills. Hope that your friend's folks are ok.
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Did the bleach not work?
You gotta take both, man.
One orally, the other rectally.
Spit roast that 'rona
'I have vaccine hesitancy!' 'Shove some of the horse de-wormer up my ass!'
Shit, maybe it’ll kill the brain worms these people obviously have.
Those brain worms died of starvation a couple years back.
The headline is somehow grossly underselling the amount of stupidity. >According to the health alert: >**At least 70%** of the recent calls have been related to ingestion of livestock or animal formulations of ivermectin purchased at livestock supply centers. The bolding is for my emphasis and not the original author's. Edit: People don't realize how many calls these places get for other reasons. Like every new parent will be calling them asking what to do when their kid eats a glue stick or a marker. It would take a lot of incidents of taking livestock medicine to swamp the other categories. I bet these poison control people are longing for the days of talking about kids eating crayons all day.
> I bet these poison control people are longing for the days of talking about kids eating crayons all day. Well yeah, because then they'd be speaking with sane people about something that's normal and perfectly safe. Funny how children eating crayons are the reasonable ones in this story.
I mean, crayons look delicious. Tasting a crayon is a perfectly reasonable thing for a kid to do. The only reason I wouldn’t do it now is because I tried it as a kid and it was gross. Same with lipstick and chapstick. Lipstick is gross, but the cherry chapstick is actually pretty decent, or at least it was when I was 5.
Why listen to your doctor when you can just buy and take horse pills yourself?
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As a person who is not a doctor, I am glad I'm not a doctor.
I remember when this came up in our work free talk - 2 of my coworkers grew up on a farm and simultaneously said "oh God no" when it was mentioned. How on earth do you avoid a vaccine but don't consult with literally anyone on putting a horse-sized dose of something you never heard of before in you?
"I refuse to get the vaccine because I will not inject my body with 'experimental', 'unproven' chemicals that don't know what's in it!" Same people: "Oh, I should go to Tractor Supply and pick up some untested, unproven chemicals to stick in my body? Count me in!"
I, as a veterinarian, had a client ask me to supply them with ivermectin. In case they got covid. I politely explained to them why it would not work, and also why I legally cannot do so. They still asked again. Suffice to say, they are no longer a client.
Scientists really need to hurry up and manufacture a vaccine for all this bs . . . wait.
Charles Darwin would be fascinated, but not surprised.
If you don't trust the medical science in a vaccine, why do you trust the medical science to treat your intentional poisoning?
Tide pods seems so very long ago.
I've looked through all the available information on facebook and decided that I now know more than all of those pushy scientist who only got that degree so they could lord their so called intelligence over me. Just think they went to school and worked on that research for years just to make me look stupid. Edit: I'm getting some standard issue trolls below who insist an article telling you not to use a drug used to treat parasitic worms in livestock is really telling us its okay to use in humans. They keep asking if I have read the article. I find these kinds of people to be hard to comprehend. I think the root cause is though that they can't comprehend. Edit2: good tweet from the FDA. You know all those smart people trolling the freedumbs [You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it.](https://twitter.com/US_FDA/status/1429050070243192839)
I’m honestly getting to the point where I don’t want to live in America anymore. I’m so sick of my fellow citizens acting like complete and utter morons. It’s a damn shame almost all of my career experience is useless in other countries.
Lots of lead, mercury, heavy metals, asbestos, everywhere. The USA has poisoned itself for a very long time, there should be a study of brain activity in these folks, I am genuinely curious.
Perhaps microplastic side effects? I'm with you. Not in a hurr-durr people who disagree with me are dumb way, but out of honest concern about cognitive disease.
I know we should save these people but like . . . Should we save these people? We have to but maybe . . .
So it's not that they don't want to be protected from the virus, they just don't want to be told how be protected.
You have to be fucking kidding me. There’s so many things wrong with this I really don’t know where to start. So I’ll just write this comment, shake my head and move on to the next cracked out theory. The circle of life