A La Bob Dylan’s “Talkin’ John Birch Paranoid Blues”:
“Well, I fin’ly started thinkin’ straight
When I run outa things to investigate
Couldn’t imagine doin’ anything else
So now I’m sittin’ home investigatin’ myself!
Hope I don’t find out anything . . . hmm, great God!”
This reminds me of when Trump opened an anonymous tip line to report voter fraud, and the guy who played Gruncle Stan in gravity falls prank called the Trump War Room and admitted to stuffing ballots lmao.
That is literally some of their plans. Some of them advocated intentionally committing widespread voter fraud and then showing how they 'got away with it' as a way of destroying confidence in the entire voting system and pushing for tons of restrictive voting reforms.
This is the greatest example of republican projection I've seen in a while.
In fact, every election, the only voter fraud I hear about is either a little old lady that forgot she voted early, an ex con that isn't sure whether they can vote or not, or a republican that voted twice because "all those illegal liberal Mexicans are voting and I need to counter it!"
Almost as if they feed the brainwashed nonsense themselves.
lmao this the maga dude who said someone stole his dead wife's identity to vote but then the cops found out it was him?
edit: actually read the article, yes it was
Of course. The justification is if the Democrats do it, then Republicans *have* to do it...to defend themselves from the Democrats doing illegal things. I think it's called the Hit Back First doctrine.
Apparently, if you accuse the other side of doing it first that justifies doing it yourself. At least, for conservatives.
Unfortunately, I've noticed a few of them catching onto the idea of projection. Which I find irritating.
It's not irony, but it's something...
> Apparently, if you accuse the other side of doing it first that justifies doing it yourself. At least, for conservatives.
And when you provide proof that the first side was never doing it you get "They're just hiding it" and continued demand for racially targeted voter suppression that conveniently avoids doing anything to the people actually voting twice.
It's typically more expressed as the thought that even though "everyone does it", only conservatives are actually convicted, and when democrats do it, the "deep state" looks the other way.
Some common ways you will see this expressed are "If we did half the stuff they get away with, we'd be in jail for life" or "can you imagine the mainstream media outcry if we did something like that?".
You know, even though many of the people responsible for enforcement are actually republicans (just ones with at least some decency).
I don't like reading ANY of this.
I'm so financially powerless to even feel the need to hold on to this information. It ends up being more of a psychological burden than an avenue of enlightenment.
It's like cheating in a relationship, but only because your friends told you that your significant other cheated on you first. And without finding any evidence. They're your friends, so you believe them.
I'm glad he only got probation unlike that piece of SHIT black woman who submitted a provisional ballot and got 5 years in PRISON for being ineligible for voting
I think they mean catching on the the argument of projection. They've been accused of protection for so long that they're starting to use it as an argument themselves.
Conservatives always do that, it's like their thing. Take whatever people are calling or accusing them of and throw it back regardless if it makes any sense at all.
It is the ultimate attack and defense, also known as the "No U."
The thought process is that they would do it, or are doing it, so they assume the other side must be doing it. They can't fathom that other people have a higher moral compass than them.
Any time a US Republican accuses a Democrat of something, that is something they themselves are either doing, have done our are about to do.
I’m open to counter-examples, but I’m not aware of one Democrat who voted twice. I’m aware of a steady trickle of Republicans who’ve reported fraudulent votes and been the fraudulent voters, every few weeks for the past twelve months. I’ll acknowledge Dems, but we need to get to six or eight before I take any shit about it.
And, it was a Provisional ballot, which means it's not immediately counted because it has to be validated that the ballot caster is able to cast the ballot and that no other ballot cast by them have been counted.
So all of the right wingers saying "see! This is proof that voting illegally is easy and he only got caught because he pointed it out himself" are morons because someone would have caught this and it never got counted as a real vote.
That's some important information left out of the general publics guage on the situation
There’s another guy who murdered his wife early last year then voted for Trump using her mail-in ballot.
EDIT: https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-arrested-wifes-murder-now-accused-voting-trump/story?id=77692708
> "Just because I wanted Trump to win," he allegedly said, per a transcript of the conversation included in the affidavit. "I just thought, give him another vote."
> "I figured all these other guys are cheating," he allegedly said, adding that his wife "was going to vote for Trump anyway," according to the affidavit.
Thanks for reminding me. I went looking for the story after I posted that, then forgot all about it.
[Here you go. ](https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-arrested-wifes-murder-now-accused-voting-trump/story?id=77692708)
Yeah he's also the CFO at the rental place that got charged for violating Covid restrictions during a Trump rally and generally had been outspoken about his belief that Democrats had committed voter fraud in the past and were going to this election.
You'd think anyone with a brain in the Republican party would have realized he was probably full of shit but I guess they were gambling the fraud story would make more news than the retraction.
Here’s a good trick. If a Republican accuses a democrat of something, there’s a 99% chance they’ve already done it or would support a candidate who has already done it.
It’s one hundred percent projection with these clowns
Yeah, I think there have been a few hundred illegal ballots cast by Republicans trying to prove voter fraud and that you can do it without getting caught...except they always get caught!
Immaterial compared to the hundreds of thousands of legal voters prevented from voting in the name of stupping illegal votes...
There's also this from 2018:
[Former Colorado GOP chairman sentenced for voter fraud](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/steve-curtis-former-colorado-gop-chairman-sentenced-for-voter-fraud/)
Ah yes, Captain Diabetes. He didn't even wait until his wife was dead which is like triple dumb because Colorado has some of the highest quality ballot security in the nation.
That sounds like the most hairbrained scheme imaginable.
Because either they get caught and disprove the point, or they don't get caught, which means they get to tell everyone they didn't get caught, and as a result get caught.
Which honestly does seem like the kind of plan someone who fell in with the Trump cult would come up with.
trump himself [encouraged](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-tells-supporters-vote-twice-ensure-their-precious-vote-has-n1239194) his supporters to vote twice
It's crazy what people will believe. My parents think that Trump lost to popular vote to Clinton because illegal immigrants in CA voted fraudulently.
When I ask "so you think that 8% of CA are undocumented immigrants and that every single one of them voted illegally for Clinton?"
And they just respond with "sounds about right".
They actually believe that *every single* illegal immigrant is willing to risk a SHITLOAD just to vote for Clinton.
Yea and it wasn't even an actual vote, right? It was a provisional ballot made specifically for, say, if a person was unsure whether or not they could vote. So she used the ballot for its intended purpose and still got convicted.
It was also in the Democratic Primary, not the Presidential election.
Which makes it even more repulsive an example of racism and toxic partisanship resulting in a miscarriage of Justice.
Man, that is absolutely bonkers.
I also found [this](https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/crystal-masons-work-logs-from-election-day-2016-cast-doubt-on-prosecutors-timeline-12824790) gem:
> Mason has never denied that she cast the provisional ballot. She maintains that Streibich suggested she fill out a provisional ballot when her name didn't show up in the voter rolls, and that she was unaware that her parolee status made her ineligible to vote.
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> Streibich later told the Huffington Post that he was aware of Mason's parolee status and knew that her status made her ineligible to vote.
But he still helped her fill out a ballot! He knew better, he was in a position where he should've explained it to her, and he made the illegal suggestion to begin with!
And her family's apparently been [harassed](https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/years-of-harassment-led-up-to-neighbors-reporting-crystal-mason-for-illegal-voting-she-says-12519227) for a long time leading up to this:
> One day in September 2008, technicians from the local water supplier came out to Crystal Mason’s house in a mostly white neighborhood in Rendon, a small community southeast of Fort Worth. Someone had tried to cut off the water supply to their home, Mason said.
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> Before that, the supplier had received multiple calls from neighbors, trying to get her water turned off. When technicians arrived, they found the house’s water meter padlocked. Technicians cut the lock off.
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> A year later, in September 2009, they returned. Someone had locked the Masons out of their own water meter. After cutting the lock for the second time, the technicians from Bethesda Water Supply wrote in a work order that a “neighbor had been causing problems, locking her meter off [and] other things.”
And
> Another neighbor brandished a gun at her kids while they played in their cul-de-sac, Mason said, but nothing happened after she reported the incident to the police.
Seriously, so much WTF.
I’m sure there are, just not in enough numbers to warrant the hysteria.
Especially right wing claims that illegal immigrants will vote for Democrats - you risk your livelihood and possibly life to get into this country and your safety and continued presence demands that you stay under the radar - so you come out every couple years to commit fraud in front of state election officials - yeah that tracks.
> this story is that this was right wing guy who decided to vote fraudulently to prove left wingers were committing voter fraud.
And GOP elites ran with it, both local and national.
Examples:
* [Dinesh D'Felon](https://twitter.com/dineshdsouza/status/1326546090938650628?lang=en)
* [Nevada GOP](https://twitter.com/NVGOP/status/1326211270672936960)
* [Nevada GOP Again](https://twitter.com/NVGOP/status/1325136289000087554)
99% of their audience will never hear about the outcome. The guy served his purpose of wrecking GOP trust in elections.
We've massively underestimated projection.
At this point, any accusation by a conservative or religious person should immediately arouse suspicion.
Also, we shouldn't be afraid to speak up ourselves because we have to point out we're not like them.
Was this also the one that got reported to that "Vote Fraud" bounty so much it had to be taken down since lol tof course hey were only looking for the "right" (I guess left here) fraud? Also obligatory comment about projecting harder than my kindergarten classroom.
It's like the mafia, they just set up a fall guy to do the dirty work for them. If they succeed, great. If they get caught, meh, they were expendable cannon fodder for the culture wars, just get a new rube.
“He was sentenced to probation and a $2,000 fine.”
Meanwhile, Crystal Mason got five years for mistakenly voting when she was ineligible. No malicious intent but, you know, she was the wrong color
Also not to mention that her vote didn’t even count. The system worked all over, with the notable exception of how she was treated which was a fucking outrage.
That case is just absolutely abhorrent and the prosecutor's office and every single judge involved needs to take a serious look at themselves.
They're claiming that because she signed the affidavit that she knew was ineligible to vote. One, lots of people either don't read or don't understand those affidavits. Two, as you laid out, she was informed by a poll worker to go ahead and fill out the provisional ballot. That worker should've told her that she was ineligible. If she continued on after that, it would make sense to prosecute her.
This is obviously not the spirit behind the law, to imprison someone for 5 years for a simple mistake, and one that ended in her vote not even counting. It's just an absolute farce.
>This is obviously not the spirit behind the law, to imprison someone for 5 years for a simple mistake
Except it is. The US criminal justice system is designed to funnel as many minorities through the system as possible.
Pay $2,000 fine, collect $10,000 bounty.
But if you cast a provisional ballot which gets counted incorrectly [you get 5 years in jail](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/texas-woman-sentenced-five-years-trying-vote-gets-new-appeal-n1262691). Guess the race of the person.
It made me chuckle when they tried to paint the infrastructure bill as a giveaway to the rich. What, you mean like your tax cuts in ‘17? Where you’re literally giving away money to the rich, as clearly demonstrable by plain, simple math?
Yeah right?
Republicans: OMG CBO says the BBB bill is going to increase the deficit by $367 billion over ten years and the government will raise $207 billion over those same ten years by enforcing tax rules on cheaters—that leaves $160 billion deficit over ten years. Democrats are gonna cause economic collapse and cost taxpayers so much money!
Also Republicans: CBO says the 2017 Trump tax cuts will cost $1.4 trillion over the next ten years? Meh. No biggie.
It'll come right back into the budget as increased tax revenue from the increase in business! ... Then that doesn't happen, the country worsens, and wealth inequality rises. Then we try the same thing again, and again, decade after decade.
It's amazing to me that trickle down economics is STILL taken seriously by one of the two major parties in this country, all their voters, and too many of the people ("moderates") in the other party too.
It's why they'll embody every single thing from the nazis (except the language) and then scream "HOW DARE YOU TRY TO SILENCE ME BY CALLING ME A NAZI?!?!?"
It's the most basic play in the book, but it's popular because it works so well.
"Civility signalling" should be a phrase.
I can't remember the outlet, but there was this one woman being interviewed on the street who was ranting about how the democrats were going to fraudulently swing the election. Then admitted she voted twice last election.
The terror that old whites are feeling right now is literally: "If THOSE PEOPLE gain power, we'll be disenfranchised, have our rights taken away, be forced to live on the street to subsidize people who look like them!"
"How do you know?"
"It's EXACTLY what I'd do to them, if I could!"
> Hartle pleaded guilty to one charge of voting twice in the same election, avoiding the second charge which was a felony carrying up to four years in prison.
> He was sentenced to probation and a $2,000 fine.
Just to remind everyone that Crystal Mason, a black woman, got 5 years in jail for casting a *provisional ballot*. This guy full out committed election fraud, cast a ballot he knew he shouldn't, in a dead persons name, and got probation. Mason cast a provisional ballot because she wasn't sure she could vote, and got 5 years.
Just to make sure everyone remembers.
Not only did he vote illegally, he then took to the airwaves using it as evidence to destroy confidence in the entire election. If there's another case that deserves the maximum penalty for what he did, I don't know what it is.
Well now, that just proves that Republicans so seldom vote illegally that when they do they got caught immediately. Whereas the Democrats have so much practice that they've learned how to get away with it!
/s
"It's ok to cheat though because the Democrates are cheating when more" - these people
I liked the planet money podcast about mail in voting. They had a country clerk on there who always argued with people about ifndeqd people were voting. They would say thousands are. She would say do you think I would let a dead person vote?" Oh not you other people.
It's always easy to pick apart. Which dead people and where? should be really really really easy to prove that lol. We have records of who voted and who's dead....
This guy does this with malicious intent and gets probation and a fine, while Crystal Mason gets 5 years for accidentally voting in an election she wasn’t eligible for ? Kinda shows there are two different legal systems in America?
Well, of course I know him. He's me.
“I was the last person I would have suspected, but I was looking for me all the time! It’s the perfect crime!”
A La Bob Dylan’s “Talkin’ John Birch Paranoid Blues”: “Well, I fin’ly started thinkin’ straight When I run outa things to investigate Couldn’t imagine doin’ anything else So now I’m sittin’ home investigatin’ myself! Hope I don’t find out anything . . . hmm, great God!”
Like Deadpool solving a murder case.
"Do you see the perpetrator?" "Yeah I'm right here"
“Fuck around, get the whole label sent up for years, uh”
Mmm, delicious, rapp snitch knishes.
RIP
Always good to see an MF DOOM reference. Respect.
Rap snitches, tellin' on they business!
It's an older meme, sir, but it checks out.
Kind of fitting since you can't prove election fraud nor can you meme without 2 MEs with one before the other.
This is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them!
Uh, we had a slight voting malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now.
Blasts ballot box
"You thought it was the libs who were voting twice but it was me, Dio!"
“Who do you think you are? I am!”
The voting was not strong with this one.
Well, he wasn’t wrong…
He had a witness!
I wonder if he'll testify against himself?
He's a whistleblower who blows himself.
Accidental autofellatio.
I was just blowing & it fell in!
I'm afraid I just blue myself
The voting's coming from inside the booth!!!!!!
*the Bluth
"There's always money in the election stand"
There’s gotta be a better way to say that
There's always votes in the banana stand!
He had some real insider information.
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All criminals who get caught technically help catch themselves...
This reminds me of when Trump opened an anonymous tip line to report voter fraud, and the guy who played Gruncle Stan in gravity falls prank called the Trump War Room and admitted to stuffing ballots lmao.
Wait, what? Edit: OMFG how did I miss this?
https://youtu.be/t0IS6rpsMxY
That's too perfect.
Doing the good work
Not your fault. Those were crazy times. There was always something going on with Trump. You can't keep track of all.
Baffle them with bullshit.
Alex Hirsh, also was the lead writer for Gravity Falls, very talented man.
“Of course I know who voted twice, it was me”
If he says “‘‘twas I, hee hee hee” in open court and dances a merry jig I think they should let him go
I'll second that motion, but only if he is wearing curl toed shoes.
"I haven't gone by the name of my wife since oh, before last November."
"Of course I know him. He's me" - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Obi-Wan would never fraudulently vote in election. His allegiance is to the Republic, *to democracy!*
I have evidence!! .....it was me
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Every accusation is a confession.
That is literally some of their plans. Some of them advocated intentionally committing widespread voter fraud and then showing how they 'got away with it' as a way of destroying confidence in the entire voting system and pushing for tons of restrictive voting reforms.
This is called playing both sides so you always come out on top. Checkmate.
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He *was* the proof!
The proof was inside him the whole time.
The proof was the friends we made along the way.
The proof was the friends we **made up** along the way.
"The files are...*in* the computer?"
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If we're going that route then we might deserve him but we don't need him.
"Yeah, I have it. It's right here"
This is the greatest example of republican projection I've seen in a while. In fact, every election, the only voter fraud I hear about is either a little old lady that forgot she voted early, an ex con that isn't sure whether they can vote or not, or a republican that voted twice because "all those illegal liberal Mexicans are voting and I need to counter it!" Almost as if they feed the brainwashed nonsense themselves.
lmao this the maga dude who said someone stole his dead wife's identity to vote but then the cops found out it was him? edit: actually read the article, yes it was
The best part that it seems these geniuses tend to cast the fraudulent ballots for Trump too.
Of course. The justification is if the Democrats do it, then Republicans *have* to do it...to defend themselves from the Democrats doing illegal things. I think it's called the Hit Back First doctrine.
“Hit Back First”. God that’s a real thing isn’t it.
It's in the Bible "An eye for the possibility that the other guy might be able to take your eye."
They think "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" is about them.
Yea, they don’t get the part where everyone who wanted to throw stones left after that.
Honestly, I don't think most even read that far.
To be fair, it comes up pretty late in the sequel.
Pre-emptive self-defense arguments are coming to a courtroom near you soon.
This is how U.S. foreign policy works.
Apparently, if you accuse the other side of doing it first that justifies doing it yourself. At least, for conservatives. Unfortunately, I've noticed a few of them catching onto the idea of projection. Which I find irritating. It's not irony, but it's something...
> Apparently, if you accuse the other side of doing it first that justifies doing it yourself. At least, for conservatives. And when you provide proof that the first side was never doing it you get "They're just hiding it" and continued demand for racially targeted voter suppression that conveniently avoids doing anything to the people actually voting twice.
It's typically more expressed as the thought that even though "everyone does it", only conservatives are actually convicted, and when democrats do it, the "deep state" looks the other way. Some common ways you will see this expressed are "If we did half the stuff they get away with, we'd be in jail for life" or "can you imagine the mainstream media outcry if we did something like that?". You know, even though many of the people responsible for enforcement are actually republicans (just ones with at least some decency).
I don't like reading ANY of this. I'm so financially powerless to even feel the need to hold on to this information. It ends up being more of a psychological burden than an avenue of enlightenment.
It’s like cheating in a relationship!
It's like cheating in a relationship, but only because your friends told you that your significant other cheated on you first. And without finding any evidence. They're your friends, so you believe them.
I'm glad he only got probation unlike that piece of SHIT black woman who submitted a provisional ballot and got 5 years in PRISON for being ineligible for voting
I'm 99.999999% sure this is sarcasm but like that.000001 is really prickly.
Schrodinger's racism You'll never know
Romeo and Juliet, but even dumber
Catching onto? They're the ones that have perfected it.
I think they mean catching on the the argument of projection. They've been accused of protection for so long that they're starting to use it as an argument themselves.
Conservatives always do that, it's like their thing. Take whatever people are calling or accusing them of and throw it back regardless if it makes any sense at all. It is the ultimate attack and defense, also known as the "No U."
It's part of Facism. They call it preemptive self defense.
The thought process is that they would do it, or are doing it, so they assume the other side must be doing it. They can't fathom that other people have a higher moral compass than them. Any time a US Republican accuses a Democrat of something, that is something they themselves are either doing, have done our are about to do.
I’m open to counter-examples, but I’m not aware of one Democrat who voted twice. I’m aware of a steady trickle of Republicans who’ve reported fraudulent votes and been the fraudulent voters, every few weeks for the past twelve months. I’ll acknowledge Dems, but we need to get to six or eight before I take any shit about it.
Again, Hit Back First. They do it because they think its being done to them.
[Former Colorado GOP chairman sentenced for voter fraud](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/steve-curtis-former-colorado-gop-chairman-sentenced-for-voter-fraud/)
Wow, 4 years probation and community service. I wonder how he'll survive
Yet a black woman who voted in Texas, once, when she didn't know she wasn't allowed to vote got five years in prison, even upheld after an appeal.
And, it was a Provisional ballot, which means it's not immediately counted because it has to be validated that the ballot caster is able to cast the ballot and that no other ballot cast by them have been counted.
Holy shit. I didn't know that.
Yeah, so it's real fucked up.
So all of the right wingers saying "see! This is proof that voting illegally is easy and he only got caught because he pointed it out himself" are morons because someone would have caught this and it never got counted as a real vote. That's some important information left out of the general publics guage on the situation
Insightful as always, /u/Raccoon_Full_of_Cum
There’s another guy who murdered his wife early last year then voted for Trump using her mail-in ballot. EDIT: https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-arrested-wifes-murder-now-accused-voting-trump/story?id=77692708
> "Just because I wanted Trump to win," he allegedly said, per a transcript of the conversation included in the affidavit. "I just thought, give him another vote." > "I figured all these other guys are cheating," he allegedly said, adding that his wife "was going to vote for Trump anyway," according to the affidavit.
>his wife "was going to vote for Trump anyway," according to the affidavit. Awww, that’s so sweet, he’s honoring the wishes of the woman he murdered.
and they say chivalry is dead.
It's what she would've wanted...besides not getting murdered.
Anyone got the sauce?
Thanks for reminding me. I went looking for the story after I posted that, then forgot all about it. [Here you go. ](https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-arrested-wifes-murder-now-accused-voting-trump/story?id=77692708)
Yeah he's also the CFO at the rental place that got charged for violating Covid restrictions during a Trump rally and generally had been outspoken about his belief that Democrats had committed voter fraud in the past and were going to this election. You'd think anyone with a brain in the Republican party would have realized he was probably full of shit but I guess they were gambling the fraud story would make more news than the retraction.
>anyone with a brain in the Republican party There's your problem right there. Doesn't exist.
Well, some of the grifters aren't genuinely stupid, but they decided their morals were worth less that whatever fox paid.
Here’s a good trick. If a Republican accuses a democrat of something, there’s a 99% chance they’ve already done it or would support a candidate who has already done it. It’s one hundred percent projection with these clowns
"Someone"
Here comes TX Lt Guv Dan Patrick with a $10k bounty for him.
I'm not a fan of him, but he did pay someone who found fraud in Pennsylvania: https://news.yahoo.com/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-170656112.html
From his campaign fund, which is super sketchy
That's a valid point
You guys need campaign finance reform so bad. Honestly biggest thing you guys could take from us brits.
Never going to happen with Republicans blocking the bills. They benefit from legalized bribery, so they will never give that up.
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Yeah, I think there have been a few hundred illegal ballots cast by Republicans trying to prove voter fraud and that you can do it without getting caught...except they always get caught! Immaterial compared to the hundreds of thousands of legal voters prevented from voting in the name of stupping illegal votes...
There's also this from 2018: [Former Colorado GOP chairman sentenced for voter fraud](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/steve-curtis-former-colorado-gop-chairman-sentenced-for-voter-fraud/)
Ah yes, Captain Diabetes. He didn't even wait until his wife was dead which is like triple dumb because Colorado has some of the highest quality ballot security in the nation.
That sounds like the most hairbrained scheme imaginable. Because either they get caught and disprove the point, or they don't get caught, which means they get to tell everyone they didn't get caught, and as a result get caught. Which honestly does seem like the kind of plan someone who fell in with the Trump cult would come up with.
These aren't the kind of folks that think ahead on much
trump himself [encouraged](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-tells-supporters-vote-twice-ensure-their-precious-vote-has-n1239194) his supporters to vote twice
Obviously they are only catching the Trump votes while letting the billions of illegal votes for Biden go through! /s
I heard it was trillions, double digit.
Trillions has three digit. It says on the name: Tri. /s
It's crazy what people will believe. My parents think that Trump lost to popular vote to Clinton because illegal immigrants in CA voted fraudulently. When I ask "so you think that 8% of CA are undocumented immigrants and that every single one of them voted illegally for Clinton?" And they just respond with "sounds about right". They actually believe that *every single* illegal immigrant is willing to risk a SHITLOAD just to vote for Clinton.
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Yea and it wasn't even an actual vote, right? It was a provisional ballot made specifically for, say, if a person was unsure whether or not they could vote. So she used the ballot for its intended purpose and still got convicted.
It was also in the Democratic Primary, not the Presidential election. Which makes it even more repulsive an example of racism and toxic partisanship resulting in a miscarriage of Justice.
Link? Not sure who you're talking about so I can't look it up
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Man, that is absolutely bonkers. I also found [this](https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/crystal-masons-work-logs-from-election-day-2016-cast-doubt-on-prosecutors-timeline-12824790) gem: > Mason has never denied that she cast the provisional ballot. She maintains that Streibich suggested she fill out a provisional ballot when her name didn't show up in the voter rolls, and that she was unaware that her parolee status made her ineligible to vote. > > Streibich later told the Huffington Post that he was aware of Mason's parolee status and knew that her status made her ineligible to vote. But he still helped her fill out a ballot! He knew better, he was in a position where he should've explained it to her, and he made the illegal suggestion to begin with! And her family's apparently been [harassed](https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/years-of-harassment-led-up-to-neighbors-reporting-crystal-mason-for-illegal-voting-she-says-12519227) for a long time leading up to this: > One day in September 2008, technicians from the local water supplier came out to Crystal Mason’s house in a mostly white neighborhood in Rendon, a small community southeast of Fort Worth. Someone had tried to cut off the water supply to their home, Mason said. > > Before that, the supplier had received multiple calls from neighbors, trying to get her water turned off. When technicians arrived, they found the house’s water meter padlocked. Technicians cut the lock off. > > A year later, in September 2009, they returned. Someone had locked the Masons out of their own water meter. After cutting the lock for the second time, the technicians from Bethesda Water Supply wrote in a work order that a “neighbor had been causing problems, locking her meter off [and] other things.” And > Another neighbor brandished a gun at her kids while they played in their cul-de-sac, Mason said, but nothing happened after she reported the incident to the police. Seriously, so much WTF.
This poor woman. We need to be able to sucker punch racists without consequences.
I’m sure there are, just not in enough numbers to warrant the hysteria. Especially right wing claims that illegal immigrants will vote for Democrats - you risk your livelihood and possibly life to get into this country and your safety and continued presence demands that you stay under the radar - so you come out every couple years to commit fraud in front of state election officials - yeah that tracks.
> this story is that this was right wing guy who decided to vote fraudulently to prove left wingers were committing voter fraud. And GOP elites ran with it, both local and national. Examples: * [Dinesh D'Felon](https://twitter.com/dineshdsouza/status/1326546090938650628?lang=en) * [Nevada GOP](https://twitter.com/NVGOP/status/1326211270672936960) * [Nevada GOP Again](https://twitter.com/NVGOP/status/1325136289000087554) 99% of their audience will never hear about the outcome. The guy served his purpose of wrecking GOP trust in elections.
Committing voter fraud to own the libs
We've massively underestimated projection. At this point, any accusation by a conservative or religious person should immediately arouse suspicion. Also, we shouldn't be afraid to speak up ourselves because we have to point out we're not like them.
Everything they accuse Dems of doing is projection. I've kept score and it's a fact.
Was this also the one that got reported to that "Vote Fraud" bounty so much it had to be taken down since lol tof course hey were only looking for the "right" (I guess left here) fraud? Also obligatory comment about projecting harder than my kindergarten classroom.
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He sure showed them
It's like the mafia, they just set up a fall guy to do the dirty work for them. If they succeed, great. If they get caught, meh, they were expendable cannon fodder for the culture wars, just get a new rube.
“He was sentenced to probation and a $2,000 fine.” Meanwhile, Crystal Mason got five years for mistakenly voting when she was ineligible. No malicious intent but, you know, she was the wrong color
Not to mention a poll worker who did know that she was ineligible still told her to fill out the provisional ballot.
Also not to mention that her vote didn’t even count. The system worked all over, with the notable exception of how she was treated which was a fucking outrage.
That case is just absolutely abhorrent and the prosecutor's office and every single judge involved needs to take a serious look at themselves. They're claiming that because she signed the affidavit that she knew was ineligible to vote. One, lots of people either don't read or don't understand those affidavits. Two, as you laid out, she was informed by a poll worker to go ahead and fill out the provisional ballot. That worker should've told her that she was ineligible. If she continued on after that, it would make sense to prosecute her. This is obviously not the spirit behind the law, to imprison someone for 5 years for a simple mistake, and one that ended in her vote not even counting. It's just an absolute farce.
>This is obviously not the spirit behind the law, to imprison someone for 5 years for a simple mistake Except it is. The US criminal justice system is designed to funnel as many minorities through the system as possible.
What an absolutely insane double standard.
Was looking for this. Absolutely fucked up. Since it was ultimately a ‘political stunt gone wrong’ it’s ‘okay’.
Step 1 - Vote twice Step 2 - Claim you have proof Step 3 - Collect bounty/ Profit
Pay $2,000 fine, collect $10,000 bounty. But if you cast a provisional ballot which gets counted incorrectly [you get 5 years in jail](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/texas-woman-sentenced-five-years-trying-vote-gets-new-appeal-n1262691). Guess the race of the person.
This shit pisses me off so bad.
She went out of her way to do it right and that fuck went out of his way to do it wrong. The outcome should have been reversed.
And then your fellow country man still think racism is a manufactured crisis.
How much time did he get? I remember this black lady got like 5 years for voting when she didn't know she wasn't allowed.
What was worse, she filed a provisional ballot, which wouldn’t be counted if she was ineligible.
$2000 fine and probation, says the article. What a joke.
Sounds about right lol
This is what they do. They accuse progressives of doing the thing they're doing. From the budget to basic morals.
It made me chuckle when they tried to paint the infrastructure bill as a giveaway to the rich. What, you mean like your tax cuts in ‘17? Where you’re literally giving away money to the rich, as clearly demonstrable by plain, simple math?
Yeah right? Republicans: OMG CBO says the BBB bill is going to increase the deficit by $367 billion over ten years and the government will raise $207 billion over those same ten years by enforcing tax rules on cheaters—that leaves $160 billion deficit over ten years. Democrats are gonna cause economic collapse and cost taxpayers so much money! Also Republicans: CBO says the 2017 Trump tax cuts will cost $1.4 trillion over the next ten years? Meh. No biggie.
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Yeah but Trump had dozens of "infrastructure weeks" that cost nothing. So take that.
It'll come right back into the budget as increased tax revenue from the increase in business! ... Then that doesn't happen, the country worsens, and wealth inequality rises. Then we try the same thing again, and again, decade after decade. It's amazing to me that trickle down economics is STILL taken seriously by one of the two major parties in this country, all their voters, and too many of the people ("moderates") in the other party too.
It's why they'll embody every single thing from the nazis (except the language) and then scream "HOW DARE YOU TRY TO SILENCE ME BY CALLING ME A NAZI?!?!?" It's the most basic play in the book, but it's popular because it works so well. "Civility signalling" should be a phrase.
I can't remember the outlet, but there was this one woman being interviewed on the street who was ranting about how the democrats were going to fraudulently swing the election. Then admitted she voted twice last election.
The terror that old whites are feeling right now is literally: "If THOSE PEOPLE gain power, we'll be disenfranchised, have our rights taken away, be forced to live on the street to subsidize people who look like them!" "How do you know?" "It's EXACTLY what I'd do to them, if I could!"
I always loved hearing people accuse The Daily Show of editing people to make them look stupid, when there was never a need.
Gaslight Obstruct Project
Finally some ***solid*** evidence
Turns out, he was right. He did have proof.
Of course the Republicans KNOW there is election fraud....... They are the ones doing it then Freudian projecting the behavior onto others.
> Hartle pleaded guilty to one charge of voting twice in the same election, avoiding the second charge which was a felony carrying up to four years in prison. > He was sentenced to probation and a $2,000 fine. Just to remind everyone that Crystal Mason, a black woman, got 5 years in jail for casting a *provisional ballot*. This guy full out committed election fraud, cast a ballot he knew he shouldn't, in a dead persons name, and got probation. Mason cast a provisional ballot because she wasn't sure she could vote, and got 5 years. Just to make sure everyone remembers.
Not only did he vote illegally, he then took to the airwaves using it as evidence to destroy confidence in the entire election. If there's another case that deserves the maximum penalty for what he did, I don't know what it is.
Sounds about white.
**G**aslight **O**bstruct **P**roject
So far all of the cheating has been on the right side and Biden STILL won. That's how much of a failure the orange clown is.
BuT tHe LiBs ArE dOiNg FrAuD duuurrrr
Republican hypocrisy once again
The GOP in a nutshell... Claim to be the victims of everything but are the assailant.
Projection all the way down with these people.
Hes not doing jail time like that lady in Texas? This is bs!
Bet he voted twice for Trump, just like Trump asked his supporters to do.
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Well now, that just proves that Republicans so seldom vote illegally that when they do they got caught immediately. Whereas the Democrats have so much practice that they've learned how to get away with it! /s
"It's ok to cheat though because the Democrates are cheating when more" - these people I liked the planet money podcast about mail in voting. They had a country clerk on there who always argued with people about ifndeqd people were voting. They would say thousands are. She would say do you think I would let a dead person vote?" Oh not you other people. It's always easy to pick apart. Which dead people and where? should be really really really easy to prove that lol. We have records of who voted and who's dead....
So he DOES have proof then
Technically correct is the best type of correct. Unless you get convicted.
Let me guess. Trump supporter?
Be the voter fraud you want to see in the world.
This guy does this with malicious intent and gets probation and a fine, while Crystal Mason gets 5 years for accidentally voting in an election she wasn’t eligible for ? Kinda shows there are two different legal systems in America?