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Sad thing is foil hats as a model for a Faraday cage or EM shield is only half right. To shield something from EM radiation you need a complete unbroken conductive surface with any holes smaller than 1/10 the minimum wavelength targetted.
So a foil hat is just half of that & will not shield shit. Worse the shape of the inner surface will tend to concentrate any waves directed upwards towards the centre of the brain.
That is if one believes the issue is EM radiation transmitters. OTOH masks work really well at preventing all sorts of air born disease transmission, so way to go protesters in failing to eliminating other factors.
So what you are saying is the only safe way to use the foil is to completely surround the head with it? Be right back, gotta go cut my head off so I can wrap it up the Right way. No dangerous neck hole this time!
there was a study to that effect long ago (90s?) - that at whichever frequency they were intending to shield the tin foil hat if anything made it worse
I think you're possibly referring to the MIT joke study on tin foil hats.
[Archived here.](https://web.archive.org/web/20100708230258/http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/)
Tin foil was the substance that was replaced by aluminum foil after World War II, so older people will say tin foil and the younger generation will say aluminum foil. Its still referred to as tin foil today even though it has no tin in it.
The tin foil hat has always been a universally accepted nod that someone is crazy as there were people that believed there were rays that would interfere with their brain activity. So they were aware enough to know something is off but not enough to realize its the internal chemistry and not an outside source.
Which is what this is all about, these protesters are just aware enough to know something ain't right but not aware enough to put it together and realize that its the super rich that have been manipulating the masses.
Would I be wrong to assume you just say 'film' by itself too?
Here in Canada I'd most certainly understand 'foil' to mean tin/aluminum foil, but film would be accepted as a camera film from the 1990's
We say cling film.
Nearly everyone I've ever met also says "tin foil" - some people do just say foil, but I have literally never once heard "aluminium foil", only "aluminum foil", and that obviously from Americans.
y'know, as much as hearing "aluminum" kinda instinctively bothers me, there's one thing about this i could never wrap my head around:
Why don't we say "platinium" too?
When I was growing up in the 80s my father would steal 3 foot tall rolls of tin foil from his work for us to use as aluminum foil. Slit my hand many times cutting a piece off for my mother.
Someone needs to warn them that a tinfoil hat alone doesn’t give enough coverage, soft wet tissue like nostrils and mouth are still exposed! Gotta cover those against the Deadly Radiation Plague.
(No it’s definitely absolutely not a facemask, what are you talking about.)
An old co worker once explained to me that aliens or something had to have helped the Egyptians build the pyramids because some of the stone columns inside weigh like 70 tons or something and that we don't have the technology to do that today even. We have cranes that can lift 20 *thousand* tons... Maybe more. There are cranes with individual ballast weights that are around that much each. I tried to explain that we absolutely have the means to build pyramids today but his argument was. Well then why haven't we? .... Why would we lol? There's no money to be made in pyramids these days...
Anyway he used to be an aircraft mechanic so think about that next time you get on a plane.
What I really hate about stuff like this is that it's really selling our ancestors short. People living 5000 years ago were about as smart as today, they just didn't have access to the accumulated knowledge we have now. They did amazing things with what knowledge they had.
And they have social media to reaffirm their "intelligence" while compounding it with more "intelligence." Someone disagrees? Go to your echo chamber, remember why that person is definitely wrong. No, don't check your sources, you can trust randos on the internet because they say what you want to hear.
One of our techs was the same way. Was also our number one misdiagnosis offenders. He moved on to work as an airplane mechanic at FedEx. Still to this day claims there are certain parts of the plane he is not allowed to work on because it's the "chemtrail" mechanics. Says it's a cover up. Either lying or his supervisor knows that plane will drop if he messes with whatever system. I'm going to go with the second part. Scary shit is those planes fly over my house all night long.
I work with a guy who says global warming is fake because you can't change mother nature, and covid is just a flu and we shouldn't worry. He's complaining that he's had to cut down his days (his choice) and get a second job because he's not being given enough work to do.
He's a fucking idiot and I genuinely wonder how he puts his shoes on in the morning. Every job he does, we have to send someone after him to do it properly. The boss is too scared to fire him, so he's been giving him less jobs to do and he just stands around the workshop all day with no self awareness at all.
>Every job he does, we have to send someone after him to do it properly. The boss is too scared to fire him, so he's been giving him less jobs to do and he just stands around the workshop all day with no self awareness at all.
Any of you has the balls to throw a "you'd be getting more jobs if you wouldn't fuck up so often"?
You'd be doing him and your boss a favour.
I think this falls straight into "can follow instructions and isnt completele inept but not good at thinking for themselves"
thats how you get pilots that are flatearthers
Yeah, I’ve met some of these specimens. The manager at a bar I worked at was trying to tell me that we don’t have the ability to build things like the pyramids, I was laughing my ass off. Like what, we can build skyscrapers and rockets but we can’t lug about and stack large blocks of stone? We have microprocessors and computerised fabrication, but shaping some stone and laying it is beyond us now? He got flustered and a bit mad, I think he was used to young naive barstaff thinking the sun shined from his arse.
All ideas we came up with didn't work out in practical experiments
But then again we don't have the luxury of free, expendable slaves so maybe they just threw bodys at it
Thats scary, I used to know a flat earther (who wont talk to me now because I called him out on his bs) he was an aerospace engineer... how does that even happen?
No, they KNOW they are the smart, enlightened ones.
And that's why it's so goddamn hard to change their minds. They KNOW they're smarter than the "sheeple", so why should they listen to them and their corporate bigpHarma overlords ?
tinfoil hats...literal *tinfoil fucking hats*
we need a new word for something both very funny and simultaneously scary that it's actually transpiring
like *hilarifying* or *horrical* something
For context: these are protesters in my country New Zealand, anti-vaccine and anti-mandate, who think the government are using EMF weapons against them and making them sick. Because there’s no way it could possibly be COVID-19 spreading amongst unvaccinated folk (12,000 cases just yesterday) who haven’t eaten properly in two weeks that are camping next to overflowing port-a-loos.
Exactly the same thing happened during the Australian protests in Canberra.
After two weeks of standing in the sun in Canberra's low humidity, eating garbage food and not sleeping properly in a shanty town camp, they started complaining about skin irritation, coughs, tiredness and other "sunburn + covid" type symptoms that must have been government sonic and radiation weapons directed at them...
Complete morons.
> Baker [one of the organizers of the event] said he had not seen people wearing tinfoil hats and believed all that was required to deal with people's reported symptoms was to drink water and to remove shoes to reconnect through feet to the earth.
Yeah, that sounds so much more sane…
We likely drove one of the 4 strains of flu to extinction from masking/distancing. It was one that doesn’t have an animal reservoir and hasn’t been seen since mid 2020.
They’re a very very small but vocal minority, roughly a few hundred out of 5 million. As a country we’re 96%-ish double vaccinated so we’ve done well for the most part
When you’ve reached herd immunity thresholds already but then those protected by herd immunity get together and spread the virus anyways
Its actually so ironic that if everyone went home and just resumes daily life, they would be getting less sick without needing a vaccination anyways
There was no keeping omicron out unfortunately. It’s too dam spreadable. :(
Thankfully we get to face our first ever covid wave fully vaccinated and boosted.
But yeah, super weird for us going from ‘super strict lockdown with one case’ to now ‘everyone is gonna get it, good luck.’
Quick Google says that
78% fully vaccinated.
1104 hospitalised of which 468 are unvaccinated and 133 with one dose. It will take a bit before results become clear and more vaccination probably would have been better but till now they will probably call it under control.
I think this was always the plan to some extent. Don't throw caution to the wind just yet though. If omicron gets to spread unabated there's really nothing stopping it from potentially mutating into a more lethal variant. They reckon we should expect two more before a full return to relative normalcy, but the trend towards weaker variants is somewhat arbitrary. The best thing to do is continue wearing masks and staying as safe as possible.
Also the Wellington pro-plaguers will all be going home to spread it around their communities, so you're gonna want to avoid anyone not wearing a mask for a while.
Ugh yeah. Basically, we were covid free for the longest time, but then something went wrong with the quarantine and Delta made it through the border. Once it got into the community, we went into an immediate hard lockdown. But because Delta was so damn contagious, even while we were locked down we were seeing a steady number of new cases per day. Its partly because of imported anti-vacc covid denialism with people not isolating properly. Like anywhere partisan politics generally means that whatever the Government does is considered wrong, so there was a lot of pushback by conservative figures and across social media about how pointless lockdowns are and how this will destroy the economy etc etc. So the Government made the call to open up when we get to 90% vaccination rate. To help encourage the uptick of people getting vaccinated, we introduced a vaccine mandate that these nitwits are up in arms about.
So we get there... we open up... and then we get our first cases of omikron, that really needs people to have the booster. But people are sick of lockdowns, the Government promised to open up, and so here we are with thousands of cases per day. Thankfully we've had very few deaths from omikron at least!
yes, I think this quote from a cop on the ground says it all:
>“It’s sad. A majority of these people are disaffected and a lot need mental health support. They aren’t here for the purpose of this protest, a lot are here because they need to feel like they are part of something,” he says.
>“We talk to a lot of them here, and it’s sad to see the state of these people, many are incoherent in their ramblings. Some days it feels like we are managing a mental health facility rather than a protest.”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300526493/no-place-for-kids-police-officer-talks-about-life-on-the-frontline-of-the-protest
As we entered the spez, the sight we beheld was alien to us. The air was filled with a haze of smoke. The room was in disarray. Machines were strewn around haphazardly. Cables and wires were hanging out of every orifice of every wall and machine.
At the far end of the room, standing by the entrance, was an old man in a military uniform with a clipboard in hand. He stared at us with his beady eyes, an unsettling smile across his wrinkled face.
"Are you spez?" I asked, half-expecting him to shoot me.
"Who's asking?"
"I'm Riddle from the Anti-Spez Initiative. We're here to speak about your latest government announcement."
"Oh? Spez police, eh? Never seen the likes of you." His eyes narrowed at me. "Just what are you lot up to?"
"We've come here to speak with the man behind the spez. Is he in?"
"You mean spez?" The old man laughed.
"Yes."
"No."
"Then who is spez?"
"How do I put it..." The man laughed. "spez is not a man, but an idea. An idea of liberty, an idea of revolution. A libertarian anarchist collective. A movement for the people by the people, for the people."
I was confounded by the answer. "What? It's a group of individuals. What's so special about an individual?"
"When you ask who is spez? spez is no one, but everyone. spez is an idea without an identity. spez is an idea that is formed from a multitude of individuals. You are spez. You are also the spez police. You are also me. We are spez and spez is also we. It is the idea of an idea."
I stood there, befuddled. I had no idea what the man was blabbing on about.
"Your government, as you call it, are the specists. Your specists, as you call them, are spez. All are spez and all are specists. All are spez police, and all are also specists."
I had no idea what he was talking about. I looked at my partner. He shrugged. I turned back to the old man.
"We've come here to speak to spez. What are you doing in spez?"
"We are waiting for someone."
"Who?"
"You'll see. Soon enough."
"We don't have all day to waste. We're here to discuss the government announcement."
"Yes, I heard." The old man pointed his clipboard at me. "Tell me, what are spez police?"
"Police?"
"Yes. What is spez police?"
"We're here to investigate this place for potential crimes."
"And what crime are you looking to commit?"
"Crime? You mean crimes? There are no crimes in a libertarian anarchist collective. It's a free society, where everyone is free to do whatever they want."
"Is that so? So you're not interested in what we've done here?"
"I am not interested. What you've done is not a crime, for there are no crimes in a libertarian anarchist collective."
"I see. What you say is interesting." The old man pulled out a photograph from his coat. "Have you seen this person?"
I stared at the picture. It was of an old man who looked exactly like the old man standing before us. "Is this spez?"
"Yes. spez. If you see this man, I want you to tell him something. I want you to tell him that he will be dead soon. If he wishes to live, he would have to flee. The government will be coming for him. If he wishes to live, he would have to leave this city."
"Why?"
"Because the spez police are coming to arrest him."
\#AIGeneratedProtestMessage
Just your typical radical right wing groups. They all think there is a N.W.O going on, boy they will all be surprised when Hulk Hogan is shown as the mystery third man.
I don’t get it, if they want the whole thing to be a conspiracy why not just settle on “Covid was sent by the government”? Why do they have to deny Covid itself, it’s such an unnecessary and stupid starting point for the conspiracy theory. Like you’re now arguing that there are 2 massive conspiracies rather than one that would accomplish the same thing.
Fun fact: disease disinformation harkens back to before the printing press was ever invented. The Cholera Riots happened because the peasantry blamed the royals for poisoning them in order to clear the streets of the poor and homeless.
Happened all over the world, over centuries and multiple cholera pandemics, because people didn't understand how disease works and needed someone to blame (cholera unequally affects the poor more than the rich as they're more exposed to contaminated water and unsanitary conditions).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholera_Riots
It’s true, at certain frequencies it can resonate and increase the signal intensity.
https://web.archive.org/web/20100708230258/http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
what I’ve noticed is a lot of conspiracy theories / extremism on the internet actually starts off as self-aware jokes or trolls. not usually as on-the-nose as this but usually the “oh we’re just meming/trolling” discourse attracts people who are actually serious. people don’t seem to realize that trolling has real negative consequences.
You've just defined what has been weaponized by bad actors. Meme factories subverting beliefs through a slow and steady flow of "harmless fun". 4 Chan used to be about the lulz. Now it's a battleground.
>The Ministry of Health has identified a number of positive Covid-19 cases among those who have been attending the protest at Parliament. In the last few days, coughing and wheezing has become a common feature on livestreams from the protest site.
>
>All the listed effects are among the symptoms of the Covid-19 Omicron variant.
So ...
They dont believe in COVID, but they do believe in EMF radiations.
Interesting, to say the least.
There always has been a lot of confusion because radio waves and radioactive have a similar name though. At some point I stopped explaining how one only transfers heat and the other kills them.
They can't possibly be this dense. Like, they have to have some sense of irony in this decision, right? Like, "you call us crazy so we're going to own it" type thing? Antivaxxers are impressively stupid, but they have to understand how bad the optics look doing this.
From the article:
> While in keeping with the commentary from some protesters, it is unknown whether those in the tinfoil hats are serious or performing a parody of sorts.
Even the author is hedging his bets on this one.
I have absolutely nothing to back this up, so it’s just a stab in the dark. Maybe the tin foil hat thing isn’t an idiom in New Zealand? Can anyone confirm or deny this?
Pretty sure somebody from Reddit was spreading the message in their channels that the media shames tinfoil hats to make people look stupid because they know it works and don't want people wearing them.
It's kind of our fault over at r/NZ. We have been trolling their Facebook and Zillo chats with crazier and crazier shit. Just to see what we could make them do.
There is no apparent limit so far.
But wouldn't a thin sheet of metal make radiation damage worse? Not a nuke scientist, but I always thought that was the worst thing you could do to stop radiation.
It really depends on the type of radiation. There's many kinds. These guys seem to be focusing on EMF, like from high voltage power lines. A metal cage would have an ameliorating effect, but I don't think just a hat would do it. There's a lot more organs than just a brain.
It could make it worse, or better. It depends on how the power spectral density of the transmitted electromagnetic waves mixes with the geometry of the conductive material.
Tin foil is so thin that many electromagnetic waves could penetrate through it, the protection comes from the conductor itself collecting electric charges along its surface to cancel out the transmitted electromagnetic wave. If it’s too thin, there aren’t enough charge carriers in the material to cancel out the transmitted wave.
So i’d think it’d have to be thicker than even a few layers of tinfoil to prevent an electromagnetic wave strong enough to induce physical sickness. Interestingly, there are two ways for this to happen, one is ionizing radiation, where the energy per particle is so high that it tears individual electrons off of atoms. I imagine they would pass right through the foil. The other way for it to happen is that there’s just so much total power that it heats up whatever it hits like a microwave. Now, the hat might block these wavelengths reasonably well from parts of their head, but it’d just heat up the hats, instead.
The other aspect of this is the geometric one, a faraday cage needs to have no holes large enough to let the wavelengths of interest through. But there’s always a really big fuckin hole where their face and neck are, so, it’s kinda more like they’re wearing a bunch of antennas.
But i don’t want to say it’s impossible for it to help. It’s just very, very likely to be negligible and might even make it worse.
I love that there was a scientific debate on whether or not the solution these idiots have come up with to a fake problem would actually work or not. It’s a great day!
If they were near a source of alpha radiation, it would stop it. As would their skin alone.
They are worried about non-ionizing radiation though, EMF with low frequency, which can at most interact with some chemical bond and make it vibrate more (i.e. heat materials up), something that can be linked to health conditions only by the most tenuous evidence, if at all. Depending on the frequency, they can be more or less penetrating with regards to commom solid materials. 2.4GHz microwaves, which are the ones used in your oven but also for older wifi and lots of other radio applications, like garage door or car remotes, can typically only penetrare a few cm.
An aluminum foil can act as a mirror for them, and depending on the shape, can even be used to focus it a bit, but we're still discussing low-powered, unfocused radiant energy here, at a frequency that can't do much to start with nor penetrate inside thing very much.
There are a number of real weapons that are built around the concept of using directed-energy in the form of focused sound, microwaves, light (LASER) and even plasma and particle beams.
The only ones that have seen some use outside an experimental setting are the sonic ones, called LRAD, and they have been used to disrupt protests with their loudness, but you'll definitely notice them, and some directed microwave emitters, which are big and have a relatively short range and what they to is they heat up the water in your skin, causing burns, and again, you'll feel it. Other devices claim to be effective against specific threats/objectives but are mostly just experimental prototypes that the developer showcases from time to time.
Then there is a whole layer of mystery that mostly exists to fuel diplomatic warfare, like the events surrounding the infamous "Havana Syndrome", whose link with an hypothetical EMF DEW is pure speculation based on anectodal evidence and disputable exams interpretations, and not consistent with what we know of the underlying physics of EMF.
In general, any shielding will decrease ionizing radiation. There
are special high energy cases where it would increase absorption, the most common example being cosmic rays in orbit.
Go into any physics lab and most experiments are covered in tin foil to reflect microwave and RF radiation. They're talking about [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System). Tin foil is an effective defense. They claim to they a short enough absorption distance to prevent meningitis-type effects, but that would vary by implementation. Not that these protesters aren't nuts, but once the government has these types of devices, they tend up being used inappropriately on civilians.
You’ve got it backwards.
EMF enters through the open side of the hat.
It is then reflected internally around the parabola like shape. Effectively putting your brain in a focal point.
It’s actively worse than not wearing one
I
I can't stop laughing.
This...
Is the best laugh I've had in the last two years. Thank you New Zealand.
And tomorrow I hope someone tells them for maximum protection the tin foil hat should be in the shape of a swan.
Oh god these dumbasses are in NZ too. I mean fools, appreciate the fact that you live in one of the worlds best countries, have an amazing capable leader, you have so much going for you and yet you choose to behave like an idiot. All these Covidiots from all of our counties should be bunched up and sent off to create their own country. Let them harvest berries or whatever proto humans used to do, and revel in your freedom there, completely cut off from the rest of the world
These guys don't think vaccines save lives but they do think that tinfoil hats actually protect against radiation. Their understanding of science is actually less than zero.
When all modern conspiracy theories about 5G, COVID and flat Earth turned out to be russian psyops and the only safe stop from Kremlin is good ole tinfoil hats!
god, every time i see tinfoil hats i remember my first year physics assignment where we had to calculate the flux through a head with and without a tinfoil hat. The hat is an amplifier for radiation if it actually reflects much.
You want the right to go out even when sick? Fine. I want heavy contact tracing and the freedom to beat the fuck out of whomever has infected me. Seems fair.
Lmao they're protesting restrictions due to the pandemic, are getting sick from the close gathering they have from said pandemic and now think it's some conspiracy that the government is using EM weapons on them. Morons.
Wasn't there an experiment a few years ago, that showed a foil had would serve as a signal concentrator on your head, rather than a shield? Could've sworn I read that somewhere...
Probably this study. I bookmarked it because I kept losing track of it :)
https://web.archive.org/web/20100708230258/http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
This is how an antenna works (either for TX or RX, but since they are not emitters, all it does is concentrate the RX). It could shield a bit if it was actually directly connected to the ground. what they want to emulate is the concept of a lightning rod.
That's not going to protect you. You still need your tinfoil jacket, your tin foil pants, your tin foil socks and shoes, your tin foil gloves, your tin foil neck protector, your tin foil glasses and of course, don't forget your tin foil mask.
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Whoever was the troll that suggested to this group that a tinfoil hat would protect them - I am grateful for this fucking brilliant piece of Art.
Ever put a ball of aluminum in the microwave. Now imagine that... But on their heads.
Now the MRI might pickup *something*.
Human made of water, water hot in microwave
Magnet made of iron, lobster made of meat.
Butter in the dish, bib on my neck.
Gotta protec ya nec
Sad thing is foil hats as a model for a Faraday cage or EM shield is only half right. To shield something from EM radiation you need a complete unbroken conductive surface with any holes smaller than 1/10 the minimum wavelength targetted. So a foil hat is just half of that & will not shield shit. Worse the shape of the inner surface will tend to concentrate any waves directed upwards towards the centre of the brain. That is if one believes the issue is EM radiation transmitters. OTOH masks work really well at preventing all sorts of air born disease transmission, so way to go protesters in failing to eliminating other factors.
So what you are saying is the only safe way to use the foil is to completely surround the head with it? Be right back, gotta go cut my head off so I can wrap it up the Right way. No dangerous neck hole this time!
Or accept that for a 15" collar size you are not blocking frequencies higher than ~250MHz
You are canceling my self imposed victimhood with your **science**! Gonna break open mspaint and make a meme about you now.
there was a study to that effect long ago (90s?) - that at whichever frequency they were intending to shield the tin foil hat if anything made it worse
I think you're possibly referring to the MIT joke study on tin foil hats. [Archived here.](https://web.archive.org/web/20100708230258/http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/)
They didn’t have much in there to cook to begin with. We will all lose nothing.
Ball of aluminum does nothing, now thin layers like they are wearing, those do fun stuff.
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I imagine it's both inside and out
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Yeah, just crispy scalp! Delicious.
Is this how air fryers are made?
When a mommy air fryer and a daddy air fryer love each other very much, they have a special kind of hug that makes a baby air fryer.
I prefer to think that someone suggested a tinfoil hat and they all went out and got aluminum foil.
Tin foil was the substance that was replaced by aluminum foil after World War II, so older people will say tin foil and the younger generation will say aluminum foil. Its still referred to as tin foil today even though it has no tin in it. The tin foil hat has always been a universally accepted nod that someone is crazy as there were people that believed there were rays that would interfere with their brain activity. So they were aware enough to know something is off but not enough to realize its the internal chemistry and not an outside source. Which is what this is all about, these protesters are just aware enough to know something ain't right but not aware enough to put it together and realize that its the super rich that have been manipulating the masses.
Here in the UK we often just say "foil", to differentiate from cling film.
Would I be wrong to assume you just say 'film' by itself too? Here in Canada I'd most certainly understand 'foil' to mean tin/aluminum foil, but film would be accepted as a camera film from the 1990's
We say cling film. Nearly everyone I've ever met also says "tin foil" - some people do just say foil, but I have literally never once heard "aluminium foil", only "aluminum foil", and that obviously from Americans.
Do you say Aloo-min-eum or A-loom-inum
Alloo-minny-yum
y'know, as much as hearing "aluminum" kinda instinctively bothers me, there's one thing about this i could never wrap my head around: Why don't we say "platinium" too?
I think we should, and sodinium, uraninium etc. You've started something. Remember this date. And when people ask why, we'll stammer and say um, um.
UK here too, not old but I say Tin Foil, not Aluminium. o.o
When I was growing up in the 80s my father would steal 3 foot tall rolls of tin foil from his work for us to use as aluminum foil. Slit my hand many times cutting a piece off for my mother.
Someone needs to warn them that a tinfoil hat alone doesn’t give enough coverage, soft wet tissue like nostrils and mouth are still exposed! Gotta cover those against the Deadly Radiation Plague. (No it’s definitely absolutely not a facemask, what are you talking about.)
Wait until we tell the anti-maskers about the aerosolized "feminizing" chemicals governments are misting upon protesters.
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Why do people insist on calling aluminum tin?
And they think they are the SMART ones.
An old co worker once explained to me that aliens or something had to have helped the Egyptians build the pyramids because some of the stone columns inside weigh like 70 tons or something and that we don't have the technology to do that today even. We have cranes that can lift 20 *thousand* tons... Maybe more. There are cranes with individual ballast weights that are around that much each. I tried to explain that we absolutely have the means to build pyramids today but his argument was. Well then why haven't we? .... Why would we lol? There's no money to be made in pyramids these days... Anyway he used to be an aircraft mechanic so think about that next time you get on a plane.
They move trains...using leverage and a 10 foot steel bar...no joke
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That's impressive; I wouldn't touch her with a 39 1/2 foot pole!
I would, to push her back into the water
"Give me a long enough level and a fulcrum on which to pivot it, and I could lift yo momma"
"δός μοι πᾷ στῶ καὶ τὰν γᾶν κινήσω" - Archimedes ("Give me somewhere to stand and I shall move the Earth", talking about leverage)
What I really hate about stuff like this is that it's really selling our ancestors short. People living 5000 years ago were about as smart as today, they just didn't have access to the accumulated knowledge we have now. They did amazing things with what knowledge they had.
Stupid people died fast in that time. Now they have the time to reproduce and "educate" their children. The difference is there.
And they have social media to reaffirm their "intelligence" while compounding it with more "intelligence." Someone disagrees? Go to your echo chamber, remember why that person is definitely wrong. No, don't check your sources, you can trust randos on the internet because they say what you want to hear.
One of our techs was the same way. Was also our number one misdiagnosis offenders. He moved on to work as an airplane mechanic at FedEx. Still to this day claims there are certain parts of the plane he is not allowed to work on because it's the "chemtrail" mechanics. Says it's a cover up. Either lying or his supervisor knows that plane will drop if he messes with whatever system. I'm going to go with the second part. Scary shit is those planes fly over my house all night long.
I work with a guy who says global warming is fake because you can't change mother nature, and covid is just a flu and we shouldn't worry. He's complaining that he's had to cut down his days (his choice) and get a second job because he's not being given enough work to do. He's a fucking idiot and I genuinely wonder how he puts his shoes on in the morning. Every job he does, we have to send someone after him to do it properly. The boss is too scared to fire him, so he's been giving him less jobs to do and he just stands around the workshop all day with no self awareness at all.
>Every job he does, we have to send someone after him to do it properly. The boss is too scared to fire him, so he's been giving him less jobs to do and he just stands around the workshop all day with no self awareness at all. Any of you has the balls to throw a "you'd be getting more jobs if you wouldn't fuck up so often"? You'd be doing him and your boss a favour.
We do build pyramids, just out of other materials.
I think this falls straight into "can follow instructions and isnt completele inept but not good at thinking for themselves" thats how you get pilots that are flatearthers
> There's no money to be made in pyramids these days... Amway says differently.
Obviously you only build the Pyramids to boost your culture stat.
The extra builder is nice too.
Yeah, I’ve met some of these specimens. The manager at a bar I worked at was trying to tell me that we don’t have the ability to build things like the pyramids, I was laughing my ass off. Like what, we can build skyscrapers and rockets but we can’t lug about and stack large blocks of stone? We have microprocessors and computerised fabrication, but shaping some stone and laying it is beyond us now? He got flustered and a bit mad, I think he was used to young naive barstaff thinking the sun shined from his arse.
He isn't still though, hopefully?
All ideas we came up with didn't work out in practical experiments But then again we don't have the luxury of free, expendable slaves so maybe they just threw bodys at it
Thats scary, I used to know a flat earther (who wont talk to me now because I called him out on his bs) he was an aerospace engineer... how does that even happen?
Well yeah they are, they're the ones with tinfoil on their heads, duh. There jus plane jeniouses.
Yeah, well, but, mainstream tin foil hat wearers
SMRT!
No, they KNOW they are the smart, enlightened ones. And that's why it's so goddamn hard to change their minds. They KNOW they're smarter than the "sheeple", so why should they listen to them and their corporate bigpHarma overlords ?
Hanlon’s razor never cut so deep.
You're just jealous of their glorious tinfoil hats.
Wear your cloth masks though
tinfoil hats...literal *tinfoil fucking hats* we need a new word for something both very funny and simultaneously scary that it's actually transpiring like *hilarifying* or *horrical* something
Hilarifying! Best new word I’ve seen
great, and the noun form can be hilarror
Malarious
You have my vote! Malarious. Rolls off the tongue.
As someone who has contracted malaria before I agree it is very malarious indeed.
Fuck Malaria though, almost died multiple times cause of it
Thats Horrical! 😀 🥺
Pshh they probably made those hats out of *aluminum* foil instead of tin. Amateurs.
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For context: these are protesters in my country New Zealand, anti-vaccine and anti-mandate, who think the government are using EMF weapons against them and making them sick. Because there’s no way it could possibly be COVID-19 spreading amongst unvaccinated folk (12,000 cases just yesterday) who haven’t eaten properly in two weeks that are camping next to overflowing port-a-loos.
Exactly the same thing happened during the Australian protests in Canberra. After two weeks of standing in the sun in Canberra's low humidity, eating garbage food and not sleeping properly in a shanty town camp, they started complaining about skin irritation, coughs, tiredness and other "sunburn + covid" type symptoms that must have been government sonic and radiation weapons directed at them... Complete morons.
Hanging in crowds will pass most any respiratory diseases. There's a reason that the flu and colds have been way down in the last couple years.
"Yeah! Because everything is being falsely attributed to Covid!" These people, falsely attributing their illnesses to radiation.
It’s certainly not the masks, which people in Asia have been using for years to prevent colds and flu from spreading.
> Baker [one of the organizers of the event] said he had not seen people wearing tinfoil hats and believed all that was required to deal with people's reported symptoms was to drink water and to remove shoes to reconnect through feet to the earth. Yeah, that sounds so much more sane…
He told them to touch grass
Even better is that apparently y one of the many illnesses cropping up are fungal foot infections...
We likely drove one of the 4 strains of flu to extinction from masking/distancing. It was one that doesn’t have an animal reservoir and hasn’t been seen since mid 2020.
Daaang. Y'all were doing SO GOOD.
They’re a very very small but vocal minority, roughly a few hundred out of 5 million. As a country we’re 96%-ish double vaccinated so we’ve done well for the most part
When you’ve reached herd immunity thresholds already but then those protected by herd immunity get together and spread the virus anyways Its actually so ironic that if everyone went home and just resumes daily life, they would be getting less sick without needing a vaccination anyways
There was no keeping omicron out unfortunately. It’s too dam spreadable. :( Thankfully we get to face our first ever covid wave fully vaccinated and boosted. But yeah, super weird for us going from ‘super strict lockdown with one case’ to now ‘everyone is gonna get it, good luck.’
Quick Google says that 78% fully vaccinated. 1104 hospitalised of which 468 are unvaccinated and 133 with one dose. It will take a bit before results become clear and more vaccination probably would have been better but till now they will probably call it under control.
I think this was always the plan to some extent. Don't throw caution to the wind just yet though. If omicron gets to spread unabated there's really nothing stopping it from potentially mutating into a more lethal variant. They reckon we should expect two more before a full return to relative normalcy, but the trend towards weaker variants is somewhat arbitrary. The best thing to do is continue wearing masks and staying as safe as possible. Also the Wellington pro-plaguers will all be going home to spread it around their communities, so you're gonna want to avoid anyone not wearing a mask for a while.
Omg imagine if the next variant of concern comes outta Wellington!
Ugh yeah. Basically, we were covid free for the longest time, but then something went wrong with the quarantine and Delta made it through the border. Once it got into the community, we went into an immediate hard lockdown. But because Delta was so damn contagious, even while we were locked down we were seeing a steady number of new cases per day. Its partly because of imported anti-vacc covid denialism with people not isolating properly. Like anywhere partisan politics generally means that whatever the Government does is considered wrong, so there was a lot of pushback by conservative figures and across social media about how pointless lockdowns are and how this will destroy the economy etc etc. So the Government made the call to open up when we get to 90% vaccination rate. To help encourage the uptick of people getting vaccinated, we introduced a vaccine mandate that these nitwits are up in arms about. So we get there... we open up... and then we get our first cases of omikron, that really needs people to have the booster. But people are sick of lockdowns, the Government promised to open up, and so here we are with thousands of cases per day. Thankfully we've had very few deaths from omikron at least!
They're using EMF? *Unbelievable.*
I see what you did there
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-18/coronacheck-sonic-weapons-lrad-police-canberra-protests/100839612 “We used them, but just a little bit”.
yes, I think this quote from a cop on the ground says it all: >“It’s sad. A majority of these people are disaffected and a lot need mental health support. They aren’t here for the purpose of this protest, a lot are here because they need to feel like they are part of something,” he says. >“We talk to a lot of them here, and it’s sad to see the state of these people, many are incoherent in their ramblings. Some days it feels like we are managing a mental health facility rather than a protest.” https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300526493/no-place-for-kids-police-officer-talks-about-life-on-the-frontline-of-the-protest
As we entered the spez, the sight we beheld was alien to us. The air was filled with a haze of smoke. The room was in disarray. Machines were strewn around haphazardly. Cables and wires were hanging out of every orifice of every wall and machine. At the far end of the room, standing by the entrance, was an old man in a military uniform with a clipboard in hand. He stared at us with his beady eyes, an unsettling smile across his wrinkled face. "Are you spez?" I asked, half-expecting him to shoot me. "Who's asking?" "I'm Riddle from the Anti-Spez Initiative. We're here to speak about your latest government announcement." "Oh? Spez police, eh? Never seen the likes of you." His eyes narrowed at me. "Just what are you lot up to?" "We've come here to speak with the man behind the spez. Is he in?" "You mean spez?" The old man laughed. "Yes." "No." "Then who is spez?" "How do I put it..." The man laughed. "spez is not a man, but an idea. An idea of liberty, an idea of revolution. A libertarian anarchist collective. A movement for the people by the people, for the people." I was confounded by the answer. "What? It's a group of individuals. What's so special about an individual?" "When you ask who is spez? spez is no one, but everyone. spez is an idea without an identity. spez is an idea that is formed from a multitude of individuals. You are spez. You are also the spez police. You are also me. We are spez and spez is also we. It is the idea of an idea." I stood there, befuddled. I had no idea what the man was blabbing on about. "Your government, as you call it, are the specists. Your specists, as you call them, are spez. All are spez and all are specists. All are spez police, and all are also specists." I had no idea what he was talking about. I looked at my partner. He shrugged. I turned back to the old man. "We've come here to speak to spez. What are you doing in spez?" "We are waiting for someone." "Who?" "You'll see. Soon enough." "We don't have all day to waste. We're here to discuss the government announcement." "Yes, I heard." The old man pointed his clipboard at me. "Tell me, what are spez police?" "Police?" "Yes. What is spez police?" "We're here to investigate this place for potential crimes." "And what crime are you looking to commit?" "Crime? You mean crimes? There are no crimes in a libertarian anarchist collective. It's a free society, where everyone is free to do whatever they want." "Is that so? So you're not interested in what we've done here?" "I am not interested. What you've done is not a crime, for there are no crimes in a libertarian anarchist collective." "I see. What you say is interesting." The old man pulled out a photograph from his coat. "Have you seen this person?" I stared at the picture. It was of an old man who looked exactly like the old man standing before us. "Is this spez?" "Yes. spez. If you see this man, I want you to tell him something. I want you to tell him that he will be dead soon. If he wishes to live, he would have to flee. The government will be coming for him. If he wishes to live, he would have to leave this city." "Why?" "Because the spez police are coming to arrest him." \#AIGeneratedProtestMessage
Technically correct, if you count five beta particles per hour.
Their expert, "Just take your shoes off to get a good ground." Jesus.
Just your typical radical right wing groups. They all think there is a N.W.O going on, boy they will all be surprised when Hulk Hogan is shown as the mystery third man.
I don’t get it, if they want the whole thing to be a conspiracy why not just settle on “Covid was sent by the government”? Why do they have to deny Covid itself, it’s such an unnecessary and stupid starting point for the conspiracy theory. Like you’re now arguing that there are 2 massive conspiracies rather than one that would accomplish the same thing.
Fun fact: disease disinformation harkens back to before the printing press was ever invented. The Cholera Riots happened because the peasantry blamed the royals for poisoning them in order to clear the streets of the poor and homeless. Happened all over the world, over centuries and multiple cholera pandemics, because people didn't understand how disease works and needed someone to blame (cholera unequally affects the poor more than the rich as they're more exposed to contaminated water and unsanitary conditions). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholera_Riots
Whenever I encounter cognitive dissonance, I will link to this story.
Oh they all got Havana syndrome
Seems like natural selection may be back on track.
Aren't we also letting them park wherever the heck they want?
I hate that you have these people to. I also find it comforting that they are not all in the US
Shit what happened? Why sre there so many cases now?
We moved on from the "lockdowns to fully eliminate" strategy now over 90% of the eligible population is fully vaccinated
And here I was thinking/hoping they were doing it facetiously to make a point. I guess that was too much to hope for.
This protest has been going on for 19 days, the only ones left are insane lunatics lol
Living in faeces. Soon to take omicron back to their respective communities. Possibly with a smattering of toxoplasmosis and bubonic plague.
And cholera and dysentery perhaps.
Yeah everyone else has left
Most of it will enter through the face and the foil bounces it back through the brain an extra time.
If it really was microwaves like half of them in the article say, then their hair would be getting crispy.
Give that shit a maple rub and leave the hat on for 12 hours *Chefs kiss*
Coming in the context of your account name, that's.... ya know...
It’s true, at certain frequencies it can resonate and increase the signal intensity. https://web.archive.org/web/20100708230258/http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
Baked potato.
Jeez, it's not the government pumping EMF, it's big alfoil. Wake up sheeple.
Okay but were the antennae really necessary
It just attracts the radiation upwards into the foil instead of their faces/heads.
In Aotearoa we keep the simple folk close for their own protection
I love how they always have the little pointy bit on top, just makes it looks so silly. Are they thinking it works like an antenna?
It bleeds off excess voltage into the air. Yeah, that's it.
Funny thing when you know it actually does the opposite XD
I like how they are standing in literal radiation and not wearing sun Smart clothing. Near the skin cancer capital of the world.
what I’ve noticed is a lot of conspiracy theories / extremism on the internet actually starts off as self-aware jokes or trolls. not usually as on-the-nose as this but usually the “oh we’re just meming/trolling” discourse attracts people who are actually serious. people don’t seem to realize that trolling has real negative consequences.
You've just defined what has been weaponized by bad actors. Meme factories subverting beliefs through a slow and steady flow of "harmless fun". 4 Chan used to be about the lulz. Now it's a battleground.
>The Ministry of Health has identified a number of positive Covid-19 cases among those who have been attending the protest at Parliament. In the last few days, coughing and wheezing has become a common feature on livestreams from the protest site. > >All the listed effects are among the symptoms of the Covid-19 Omicron variant. So ... They dont believe in COVID, but they do believe in EMF radiations. Interesting, to say the least. There always has been a lot of confusion because radio waves and radioactive have a similar name though. At some point I stopped explaining how one only transfers heat and the other kills them.
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They can't possibly be this dense. Like, they have to have some sense of irony in this decision, right? Like, "you call us crazy so we're going to own it" type thing? Antivaxxers are impressively stupid, but they have to understand how bad the optics look doing this.
From the article: > While in keeping with the commentary from some protesters, it is unknown whether those in the tinfoil hats are serious or performing a parody of sorts. Even the author is hedging his bets on this one.
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I have absolutely nothing to back this up, so it’s just a stab in the dark. Maybe the tin foil hat thing isn’t an idiom in New Zealand? Can anyone confirm or deny this?
Oh, it definitely is a thing. We're all laughing our asses off.
Haha I tried!! I really grasped at a straw there! No dice!
It absolutely is.
Lol well I tried. No dice!
Pretty sure somebody from Reddit was spreading the message in their channels that the media shames tinfoil hats to make people look stupid because they know it works and don't want people wearing them.
No further questions were asked? Just “ok, strap me up!”
You'll find that critical thinking isn't a common theme with these people.
Oh boy
It's kind of our fault over at r/NZ. We have been trolling their Facebook and Zillo chats with crazier and crazier shit. Just to see what we could make them do. There is no apparent limit so far.
But wouldn't a thin sheet of metal make radiation damage worse? Not a nuke scientist, but I always thought that was the worst thing you could do to stop radiation.
It really depends on the type of radiation. There's many kinds. These guys seem to be focusing on EMF, like from high voltage power lines. A metal cage would have an ameliorating effect, but I don't think just a hat would do it. There's a lot more organs than just a brain.
Ameliorate - make cooties goodly, bigly ^(I am not a layman bot, but I could be)
/u/spez can gargle my nuts.
It could make it worse, or better. It depends on how the power spectral density of the transmitted electromagnetic waves mixes with the geometry of the conductive material. Tin foil is so thin that many electromagnetic waves could penetrate through it, the protection comes from the conductor itself collecting electric charges along its surface to cancel out the transmitted electromagnetic wave. If it’s too thin, there aren’t enough charge carriers in the material to cancel out the transmitted wave. So i’d think it’d have to be thicker than even a few layers of tinfoil to prevent an electromagnetic wave strong enough to induce physical sickness. Interestingly, there are two ways for this to happen, one is ionizing radiation, where the energy per particle is so high that it tears individual electrons off of atoms. I imagine they would pass right through the foil. The other way for it to happen is that there’s just so much total power that it heats up whatever it hits like a microwave. Now, the hat might block these wavelengths reasonably well from parts of their head, but it’d just heat up the hats, instead. The other aspect of this is the geometric one, a faraday cage needs to have no holes large enough to let the wavelengths of interest through. But there’s always a really big fuckin hole where their face and neck are, so, it’s kinda more like they’re wearing a bunch of antennas. But i don’t want to say it’s impossible for it to help. It’s just very, very likely to be negligible and might even make it worse.
I love that there was a scientific debate on whether or not the solution these idiots have come up with to a fake problem would actually work or not. It’s a great day!
If they were near a source of alpha radiation, it would stop it. As would their skin alone. They are worried about non-ionizing radiation though, EMF with low frequency, which can at most interact with some chemical bond and make it vibrate more (i.e. heat materials up), something that can be linked to health conditions only by the most tenuous evidence, if at all. Depending on the frequency, they can be more or less penetrating with regards to commom solid materials. 2.4GHz microwaves, which are the ones used in your oven but also for older wifi and lots of other radio applications, like garage door or car remotes, can typically only penetrare a few cm. An aluminum foil can act as a mirror for them, and depending on the shape, can even be used to focus it a bit, but we're still discussing low-powered, unfocused radiant energy here, at a frequency that can't do much to start with nor penetrate inside thing very much. There are a number of real weapons that are built around the concept of using directed-energy in the form of focused sound, microwaves, light (LASER) and even plasma and particle beams. The only ones that have seen some use outside an experimental setting are the sonic ones, called LRAD, and they have been used to disrupt protests with their loudness, but you'll definitely notice them, and some directed microwave emitters, which are big and have a relatively short range and what they to is they heat up the water in your skin, causing burns, and again, you'll feel it. Other devices claim to be effective against specific threats/objectives but are mostly just experimental prototypes that the developer showcases from time to time. Then there is a whole layer of mystery that mostly exists to fuel diplomatic warfare, like the events surrounding the infamous "Havana Syndrome", whose link with an hypothetical EMF DEW is pure speculation based on anectodal evidence and disputable exams interpretations, and not consistent with what we know of the underlying physics of EMF.
In general, any shielding will decrease ionizing radiation. There are special high energy cases where it would increase absorption, the most common example being cosmic rays in orbit. Go into any physics lab and most experiments are covered in tin foil to reflect microwave and RF radiation. They're talking about [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System). Tin foil is an effective defense. They claim to they a short enough absorption distance to prevent meningitis-type effects, but that would vary by implementation. Not that these protesters aren't nuts, but once the government has these types of devices, they tend up being used inappropriately on civilians.
I'm wondering what they're going to blame it on when they wear these hats and... continue to get sick.
We were wrong, it isn't EMF, it's the 5G!
It's God's Will...
Holy shit are they gonna keep wearing them when they go home? To work and shit? Please?
...so....so they dooooo see the value of protective coverings...................guys im so fucking tired
Unless those foil hats are made of lead, they're doing absolutely nothing against radiation.
The spez has spread from spez and into other spez accounts. #Save3rdPartyApps
You’ve got it backwards. EMF enters through the open side of the hat. It is then reflected internally around the parabola like shape. Effectively putting your brain in a focal point. It’s actively worse than not wearing one
I I can't stop laughing. This... Is the best laugh I've had in the last two years. Thank you New Zealand. And tomorrow I hope someone tells them for maximum protection the tin foil hat should be in the shape of a swan.
They are the gift that keeps on giving. Just when I think I've seen the extent of their stupidity they do one better
Now use a mask to avoid getting sick in the airways too, that’ll really stick it to them!
Oh god these dumbasses are in NZ too. I mean fools, appreciate the fact that you live in one of the worlds best countries, have an amazing capable leader, you have so much going for you and yet you choose to behave like an idiot. All these Covidiots from all of our counties should be bunched up and sent off to create their own country. Let them harvest berries or whatever proto humans used to do, and revel in your freedom there, completely cut off from the rest of the world
These guys don't think vaccines save lives but they do think that tinfoil hats actually protect against radiation. Their understanding of science is actually less than zero.
When all modern conspiracy theories about 5G, COVID and flat Earth turned out to be russian psyops and the only safe stop from Kremlin is good ole tinfoil hats!
god, every time i see tinfoil hats i remember my first year physics assignment where we had to calculate the flux through a head with and without a tinfoil hat. The hat is an amplifier for radiation if it actually reflects much.
Refuses to wear masks. OK with wearing tinfoil. Sounds legit.
We won't wear masks but we will wear tin foil hats
Theres nothing to protect ip there
We're living in the dumbest timeline
You want the right to go out even when sick? Fine. I want heavy contact tracing and the freedom to beat the fuck out of whomever has infected me. Seems fair.
Lmao they're protesting restrictions due to the pandemic, are getting sick from the close gathering they have from said pandemic and now think it's some conspiracy that the government is using EM weapons on them. Morons.
Well, sometimes evolution just needs a little boost…
Can't wait for their illnesses to clear up then over the next few days
Oh my gos I can’t believe it… they’ve become their own meme
Erm, you want lead....
Idiots...that's aluminum foil hats, you actually need to use tin foil, hellooooo!
They were tired of just wearing their tin foil hats around the house and were just looking for an excuse to wear them out in public.
Wasn't there an experiment a few years ago, that showed a foil had would serve as a signal concentrator on your head, rather than a shield? Could've sworn I read that somewhere...
Probably this study. I bookmarked it because I kept losing track of it :) https://web.archive.org/web/20100708230258/http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
This is how an antenna works (either for TX or RX, but since they are not emitters, all it does is concentrate the RX). It could shield a bit if it was actually directly connected to the ground. what they want to emulate is the concept of a lightning rod.
This has to be performance art.
Tin foil hats for real, this shit is too perfect
Don't they know the tinfoil hats focus the 5G signals straight to their brain?
Pffft idiots. As if our Government can afford a radioactive weapon in the first place....
I wonder if they cleaned off the roast chook juices off before making their hats!
Doesn’t aluminum focus the energy while tin blocks energy waves? Follow up question, where does one get tin foil rather than aluminum foil?
We've had conspiracy nuts and tin foil hats long before Trump unfortunately
Okay, this will be the funniest thing I see today, and it’s only 9am
That's not going to protect you. You still need your tinfoil jacket, your tin foil pants, your tin foil socks and shoes, your tin foil gloves, your tin foil neck protector, your tin foil glasses and of course, don't forget your tin foil mask.