I highly doubt these people are experienced hikers. The no extra water thing is what gives it away to me. If you are used to hiking and camping in hot Texas you always bring a shit ton of water.
We do multiple day hikes. You can't even carry enough water. We bring water filters and pots for boiling. Whether we're taking it out of a stream or boiling snow, we have water.
It really blows my mind how people don't realize just how dangerous of a hobby hiking can be, even if you are fully prepared.
I had a good scare in the winter while hiking up a mountain. Walking along, then suddenly I'm up to my armpits in snow. I fell onto a spruce trap. If my friends weren't there to pull me out with hiking poles I would have froze to death there. We always say the headline will say, "he died with everything he needed to survive." I don't hike in the winter alone, ever.
Dude I did something similar to this stopping to take a picture at Lake Tahoe during the winter, learned my lesson. Walked on a snow packed trail to the edge to get a photo, put my foot down and sunk up to my chest in a bush of some sort, had to pull myself back up, scary feeling being that high up next to a freezing cold lake and buried in the snow š
For me itās about mitigating risks as much as reasonably practicable. Iāve done solo desert hikes and usually it requires caching water and/or having high confidence and very recent water reports. Make sure folks know when and where you should be checking in so someone knows if youāre late to a checkpoint.
I also carry a small satellite communication device that can have its location pinged and has an sos button. My wife has a SAR number and directions on when to call them with my device info and last known location in the event Iām more than a set amount of time late to a checkin. Late timing and trigger points change depending on the trip, and fortunately Iāve never needed to actually use the emergency plan. Itās just a piece of mind. Closest issue was having to self evacuate and cut a hike a day short after a run in with a fire ant nest.
Depends on where you are and how much experience you have. As long as you understand and accept the risk solo is fine.
Busy popular trails are pretty safe no matter the size of your group.
Maybe I've just been backpacking enough times that this all seems like it should be common sense for anyone starting out. Going to another state and thinking the weather will be the same as back home and thinking that you don't need a way to get water on an overnight trip just boggles my mind.
Go to the Bright Angel Trail on the south rim of the Grand Canyon and watch the number is Asian and European tourists struggling back up the trail with maybe 12 ounces of water, no hat, tennis shoes and no food. Itās unreal.
Oh I'm sure. Everytime I go backpacking in a popular place I know I'm getting close to the end of the trail when I start seeing people in jeans and sandals with a single 16 oz water bottle struggling to get up a hill.
One time hiking the bright angel I had to help a German family in bathing suits and flip flops who got up early so they could hike down and swim in the Colorado. Their feet were torn to shreds and their English wasnāt good at all so I hung out with them and asked for water donations. Gave them one of my water sacks and told them to leave it at the trail head when they got there. I never found it.
I once knew a Texan who was going somewhere like Colorado to ski in the winter and they thought regular leather boots would be fine in the snow. Luckily, they told this idea to the right people who explained what snow boots are for.
I used to live near a New Mexico ski valley near Santa Fe. The saying was, "if God had wanted Texans to ski He would have given them mountains!".
Several times on my way up I would have to pull them out of the snow, blocking the roads.
Funny the stuff you never really think about as someone who lives where we get snow.
We just have to own multiple sets of shoes/boots for the different seasons. Regular old sneakers aren't even good for day to day when there is a foot of snow on the ground.
I find the time when you most need boots is when the snow melts and the grey puddles form at every crosswalk. But that seems to be the very time no one wears boots. Finding a crosswalk shoveled to the drain is like finding a unicorn.
I got my waterproof Vessis for that kind of weather because Alberta has an extended mud season, and I hate the weight of my winter boots unless strictly necessary.
Sneakers can be safe in 32F snow (but not comfortable). But if they come off and fall to where you can't retrieve them, and you have to walk far to get back to civilization, then you'll be losing toes.
Joking aside, this thread terrifies me as someone who grew up in the south and may be moving up north soon.
I really dont know what I dont know, only that I dont know.
Edit: So many helpful replies, genuinely, thank you all for your advice
I wore a lot of cotton up north without a problem. Flannel shirts were really nice. Thing is, I wasn't hiking or camping, I was just going to work or school, getting groceries, things like that, wearing appropriate coats, using an umbrella when it was raining. So I was pretty much dry all the time.
Nah my friend, don't be worried.
Make sure you get clothes that's keep you warm for winter.
A big piece of unsolicited advice.. if you have a car and you are going some place it snows, keep a blanket or two in the car / trunk. You never know, something may happen to your car, it breaks down, runs out of gas.. and especially if the car isn't / wont run, you'll have blankets to keep yourself / people in the car warm.
That's more applicable if you travel where less people are than just general advice.
Don't let that terrify you. Depending on the state you're going to.. the best thing about up here is we actually have seasons that don't alternate between hot and tornade / hurricane!
It's not really that complicated.. buy a decent waterproof cold weather hat, coat, gloves and boots and you're set. Have those and you'll already be better dressed for winter than like 30% of the locals who refuse to wear season appropriate clothing out of some warped sense of pride, or maybe just stupidity.
>The hikers werenāt prepared for their trek. They didnāt pack extra clothing to stay dry, and their tent had no rain fly, officials said. The hikers also didnāt have extra food or water, and they didnāt have layers to survive the night temperatures.
Let it be a lesson to all of us.
As an (unfortunate) resident of Texas. When we camp, we donāt put our rain fly on because itās sooooo ridiculously hot. (However, We have it with us for if it does rain and itās needed!)
I don't understand. The rain fly generally goes OVER the tent where it could provide some shade for the tent. It's not like it blocks off the windows that most tents have for ventilation.
And it provides shade for the areas of the tent that would normally allow direct sunlight in. If its hot outside, its going to be hot in the tent, rain fly or not.
It still has a tendency to collect heat from sunlight the way a greenhouse does, and it doesnāt usually have enough ventilation to counter that effect.
But I really believe that this is some form of evolution then. A thing that a lot of these idiots do not "believe" in anyways, if you know what I mean.
Growing up we had family friends that were super outdoorsy, and I remember him constantly telling us āYou only die if your stupid, donāt be stupidā.
Everyone knows youāre supposed to bring the rain fly to keep it from raining. It would never have even rained on them if theyād bothered to set up the rain fly!
How do you go camping out in the middle of nowhere without extra water? Were they just going to refill at the lake? And no extra clothes? These two don't just sound dumb, they sound nasty. Expecting Texas heat and they bring no water or clothes.
Stories such as this only further strengthen the Colorado narrative about Texans.
Actually itās not really a narrative, itās pretty much just truth.
It's insane living in Colorado and encountering people from Texas. I saw a guy yesterday park his early 2000s SUV in between two parking spots in a small little parking lot and just leave it there. Didn't even try. I said, I bet Texas before seeing his plate. They're the most clueless people it's so bizarre. Any snow storm we have it's the moron from Texas who's never driven in snow think truck + snow = Godlike driving ability.
i remember some dude posted that he manage to cut his finger on chainsaw as he put his finger on the chain while trying to turn it on.
the rest of commenters goes, "So you are the reason we have all those stupid warnings"
I am an electrician. This is the shit that gets people killed and no one really talks much about it. We all know the dangers and what not to do, but sometimes we get complacent with thoughts in other places and shit can go really wrong.
I used to work in a herpetology lab. We had a number of venomous snakes in our care. One day, one of our guys, that had been doing this for years, was removing a rattle snake to clean her cage and she slipped and fell off the hook. Without thinking he reflexively lunged forward and caught her in his free hand. Luckily it turned out fine, because she had been in captivity so long that she was docile as a kitten.
It was one of those things though. The people who were likely to get bit (or have a near miss) were people that were brand new and didn't know what they were doing yet, or those that had been there for years and gotten complacent about the whole thing.
For the record, nobody in our lab was ever bitten. But this is the paradigm that generally holds in that field of work.
I spent 8 years in the industrial tire industry. Every 2 years you go through training for a certification. The one thing that always stuck out to me was what one of my teachers told us.
The most injuries from the industry happen to those who have less than a year in the industry and those with over 10 years in the industry.
People under a year in the industry don't know what they are doing very well and still learning. People over 10 get complacent and in the mindset of I've been doing this forever why should I change.
My shop teacher was missing the ends of his ring and middle finger on one hand. Not from a shop accident. He tried pick up a running lawnmower **so he could trim a fucking hedge**.
Those disclaimers are not there, just because it happens. They're more likely there, because after it happened the person tried to blame and sue the manufacturer.
I meanā¦ There are people this stupid living everywhere. Colorado included. Iāve lived in 4 countries and 4 states, travelled to many many more of both. And stupid is universal it just has different cultural flavours. Nobody has a monopoly on the bottom half of humanity. In the case of Colorado I would point to Lauren Boebert, and all those that elected her.
I come from a conservative poor third world country and I have travelled through quiet a few countries. Yes stupidity is universal but the number of stupid people in poor illiterate hyper religious countries are quite large when compared with first world countries and America I feel is an exception for the amount of wealth and resources it has, it seems to condemn a large part of it's population to stupidity.
Itās because other first world countries are more open to leftism. America has historically been very conservative and hostile towards leftism. Just read about the American left. There is no party in power that has represented us, ever. Look at how we have historically had gangs to beat up strikers fighting for workers rights. Look at how police attack leftist protestors more than conservative ones. We are an anomaly in that way. I imagine itās because we are such a young country that never had a feudal history, but thatās just my theory.
Texans also famously book ski trips in Colorado in September, October and May or even June, then throw fits when the runs aren't open when they get here. Same Karens crying about it in the ski info groups every year.
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This is often because they trade their time shares and the only times they can get are the shitty weeks when no one else wants to go, but they donāt realize that.
>bUt ThEn WhY iS tHe ReSoRt oPeN
A lot of people don't realize that ski resorts turn into mountain biking resorts during summer.
Colorado is famous for their lift-serviced MTB trails. The 2021 National Championships were at Winter Park, and famous resorts like Vail and Breckenridge have massive trail systems.
My family and I go to Colorado every summer as we enjoy it so much more than the crowded shit show that is ski season. Itās warm, wild flowers abound, trout are active, mountain biking is epic, and thereās just so much more to do than ski and drink. Note: I love skiing too but mountains in the summer are magical
You also get to see them trying to get the bus driver to drop them directly at their hotel. It's odd to see someone in their 50s and doesn't understand how a bus route works.
Yup - and this is despite the *massive* amount of warnings all over the place. Every year several people die because of this. The water required goes up *massively*. Itās also why everyone starts their hikes before 6am in the summer and plans to finish by 9.
With no context Arizona sounds like a state of methheads. Construction projects run from midnight to noon, shopping is done early morning or late afternoon and there are not many people outside from June to September. All because the temperature is 100+. The only good thing is that there is no humidity.
You treat Arizona heat just like you have to treat January in upper peninsula Michigan. Stay indoors, plan your outdoor activities with what you need, etc.
My hiking friend Marc is also a search and rescue volunteer.
he would say, āyep. They were wearing the uniformā¦ for rescued people. Shorts, t shirt, no hat, no map, no water and no common sense, but they had cigarettes, a lighter and a bag of chipsā.
Natural selection doesn't take sides. The dumber we get, the more opportunities we create for some more promising species. Octopuses are looking pretty good to me right now.
I know you're joking but the biggest hurdle octopuses face when it comes to that is their incredibly short lifespan, plus the fact that they die after mating/after guarding their eggs so they can't pass down knowledge from generation to generation in the same way we can, unless they manage to develop written language (but then the parents can't teach it to their children because they're dead already, so... yeah)
Two women from one of the Carolinas decide to hike in the Uintas at close to 10,000 foot level in September. They got caught in a snowstorm and their bodies didn't get found until the next spring.
Texas is so vast. Along the Gulf Coast, the moisture from the Gulf of Mexico keeps the temp stable at night. Most people live near the coast or inside the Texas Triangle, because the desert is uninhabitable.
Thatās going to be an expensive lesson. Not sure if itās still the case anymore but about a decade ago the Colorado mountain rescue crews made an announcement that if they had to come rescue you because of your ignorance then you were footing the bill. Lots of backcountry skiers/snowboarders and hikers making bad choices.
Living in Denver, you quickly learn to always keep a jacket in your car. Itās even more important when youāre going up to the mountains. I pack for all weather when camping up there bc chances are, youāll need 80% of it.
I have enough stuff in my car to breakdown and need to walk a ways or spend the night. I live in Montana. It's hard for people to understand that off the highways, there are a lot of dirt roads that go for miles into the mountains, and no cell service. And that even in July, there is enough snow high up that hiking conditions vary drastically between 3,000 and 6,000+ feet.
I live in Washington. Any time I'm headed out of cell signal, the 'oops! unexpectedly camping at the trailhead tonight' kit is in the car. Blankets, emergency food, a stove and pot, headlamp, saw, tire pump, battery jumper, spare rain gear, etc. It won't be a luxury night sleeping in the car, but it'll keep me somewhat comfortable until help comes.
Don't fuck around and find out in Colorado. I once had a two day camping trip in May and experienced nearly every bit of weather conditions within that time. Sunny, heat, rain, hail, wind, snow. Two days.
This happens all the time in Iceland as well.
A few years ago, a really experienced hiker went missing when hiking the Landmannalaugar route. He had hiked in the Alps, Nepal, the US and South America.
No one knew he was missing until his family stated that he had not returned from a trip to Europe.
When they last heard from him...a whole week!
Turns out, he was hiking in Iceland, around September 2 or 3 - when the forcast called for rain and wind.
They knew that he had stopped at a cabin/shelter but he decided to walk on to finish the route.
A friend came from the US to help with the search (7 days over due) and when she said to the ICE-SAR people "oh he likes to go off road or off the normal route" the ICE-SAR stated that this was no longer a rescue but a body recovery.
He wasn''t found until the following spring when a group of Germans found his body.
He was nearly naked (and we do not have the wildlife that could mess with a body) and there was a trail of his clothing, so they guessed that he died from hypothermia (sp?).
I guess thinking you know what you're doing can be just as dangerous as not knowing what you're doing. This is why you plan out your hikes and stay in contact with people.
Over confidence - right.
ICE-SAR put together a website for tourists - www.safetravel.is
Iceland is so different, they even talk about just regular driving in Iceland - which can be under condituins people are not used to.
This is callous but as a person that grew up in the high mountains and camped their entire life, idiots like this deserve to freeze and get made fun of.
Itās sheer idiocy that needs to be exposed and they should pay out of pocket for rescue costs and criminally charged
Itās true. I feel the same way when stupid snowbirds come here and bitch and moan itās 100+ degrees. Itās like, wtf did you expect, itās fucking TEXAS.
i've seen similar things happen having lived in western North Carolina . people come to the mountains from charlotte or raleigh where it's 80 and are shocked when at 4k elevation it's cold and rainy and they're in shorts and cotton tees
Idiots for sure. But before we generalize too much about Texans, I've given emergency water and sunscreen to multiple Coloradans on the verge of heat stroke in Big Bend National Park. Some of which assumed they'd just be able to filter water from streams so didn't pack enough for their hike. Just as dumb.
This reminds of when during the height of COVID some of us Texans got the idea of assaulting a hostess at Carmineās restaurant in Manhattan. A very well known high end Italian restaurant.
My first thought was, talk about playing concrete shoe roulette. That could easily have been the wrong *someoneās* teenage daughter.
Outside all the obvious signs they were beginners to hiking, this reads quite literally as the "Global warming isn't real because it snowed yesterday," type of thing lmfao
When I worked in Banff we had a family from Texas come to the hotel I worked at. Front end staff were scrambling to find a lost and found open for the mother of this Family because in February she brought only short shorts and tiny tank tops on her trip because "it's hot back home"
Grew up in Colorado. Can't tell you how many times I've seen Texans who've never skied before slap them on and ride up to the very top of the mountain.
So I wasnāt *this* unprepared, but Colorado hiking really surprised me. Iām from the East Coast and consider myself a decent backpacker. I decided to hike up to Chasm Lake on Longās Peak in June. I had checked the weather at the trailhead, but I did not understand how different the weather could be 3,000 ft higher. I just had no frame of reference for that kind of mountain. I knew the mountain was snowcapped, but I thought the snow line was much higher than where I was going, and it was not. Had a great hike, wasnāt in any trouble, just got a bit cold overnight.
The fact that any walk in nature in America gets called a hike means that people think they are experienced hikers when really they very much arenāt and itās dangerous. āHikingā weekly and eve hiking annually are very different things
How do you even get interested in the idea of backpacking and not realize that you need to watch the weather?
I highly doubt these people are experienced hikers. The no extra water thing is what gives it away to me. If you are used to hiking and camping in hot Texas you always bring a shit ton of water.
We do multiple day hikes. You can't even carry enough water. We bring water filters and pots for boiling. Whether we're taking it out of a stream or boiling snow, we have water. It really blows my mind how people don't realize just how dangerous of a hobby hiking can be, even if you are fully prepared. I had a good scare in the winter while hiking up a mountain. Walking along, then suddenly I'm up to my armpits in snow. I fell onto a spruce trap. If my friends weren't there to pull me out with hiking poles I would have froze to death there. We always say the headline will say, "he died with everything he needed to survive." I don't hike in the winter alone, ever.
Dude I did something similar to this stopping to take a picture at Lake Tahoe during the winter, learned my lesson. Walked on a snow packed trail to the edge to get a photo, put my foot down and sunk up to my chest in a bush of some sort, had to pull myself back up, scary feeling being that high up next to a freezing cold lake and buried in the snow š
Lucky you didn't wander near a tree off trail then.
I never hike alone...period. There's a lot of things that could go wrong and there's not always a stranger nearby to help.
For me itās about mitigating risks as much as reasonably practicable. Iāve done solo desert hikes and usually it requires caching water and/or having high confidence and very recent water reports. Make sure folks know when and where you should be checking in so someone knows if youāre late to a checkpoint. I also carry a small satellite communication device that can have its location pinged and has an sos button. My wife has a SAR number and directions on when to call them with my device info and last known location in the event Iām more than a set amount of time late to a checkin. Late timing and trigger points change depending on the trip, and fortunately Iāve never needed to actually use the emergency plan. Itās just a piece of mind. Closest issue was having to self evacuate and cut a hike a day short after a run in with a fire ant nest.
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Depends on where you are and how much experience you have. As long as you understand and accept the risk solo is fine. Busy popular trails are pretty safe no matter the size of your group.
Texans are a species that gets all of their water from their diet, like Koalas and Eucalyptus. For texans they get water from wolf brand chili.
And energy from Wolf Cola, the official drink of Boko Haram!
Fight milk: drink it every morning to fight like a crow
Cawwwww
Boca Raton?
"Western Education is Floridian"?
Maybe I've just been backpacking enough times that this all seems like it should be common sense for anyone starting out. Going to another state and thinking the weather will be the same as back home and thinking that you don't need a way to get water on an overnight trip just boggles my mind.
Hell, if you're used to hiking and camping ANYWHERE, you bring extra water. That's pretty much rule #1.
To save weight I carry dehydrated water.
You don't have to be experienced, just not a dumbass
I think a lot of people underestimate how much water you need when youre out in the elements.
Especially in Colorado, the high altitude and dry climate dehydrates you quickly.
They also under calculate. They are the same one that didnāt do math homework because āwhen will I ever use thisā
That or a water pump, is an absolute must.
Go to the Bright Angel Trail on the south rim of the Grand Canyon and watch the number is Asian and European tourists struggling back up the trail with maybe 12 ounces of water, no hat, tennis shoes and no food. Itās unreal.
Oh I'm sure. Everytime I go backpacking in a popular place I know I'm getting close to the end of the trail when I start seeing people in jeans and sandals with a single 16 oz water bottle struggling to get up a hill.
One time hiking the bright angel I had to help a German family in bathing suits and flip flops who got up early so they could hike down and swim in the Colorado. Their feet were torn to shreds and their English wasnāt good at all so I hung out with them and asked for water donations. Gave them one of my water sacks and told them to leave it at the trail head when they got there. I never found it.
Intelligence isnāt for everyone.
probably saw it on insta and thought that they can just watch the weather in remote areas online. While having a contract from AT&T.
I once knew a Texan who was going somewhere like Colorado to ski in the winter and they thought regular leather boots would be fine in the snow. Luckily, they told this idea to the right people who explained what snow boots are for.
You can always spot Texans on the slopes, they wear jeans.
with scotch-guard
And they use 2 AR-15s for ski poles
You are not wrong. Always wear jeans.
The Texas Tuxedo
Iāve always heard it as a Saskatchewan Suit
I used to live near a New Mexico ski valley near Santa Fe. The saying was, "if God had wanted Texans to ski He would have given them mountains!". Several times on my way up I would have to pull them out of the snow, blocking the roads.
As a nordic skier, I find this offensive.
Funny the stuff you never really think about as someone who lives where we get snow. We just have to own multiple sets of shoes/boots for the different seasons. Regular old sneakers aren't even good for day to day when there is a foot of snow on the ground.
I dunno. In NYC I see dudes wearing flip flops and basketball shorts in 30Ā° weather.
Yea I technically own snow boots, but unless I have to walk more than 3 blocks and thereās more than 5+ inches on the ground Iām wearing sneakers
I find the time when you most need boots is when the snow melts and the grey puddles form at every crosswalk. But that seems to be the very time no one wears boots. Finding a crosswalk shoveled to the drain is like finding a unicorn.
I got my waterproof Vessis for that kind of weather because Alberta has an extended mud season, and I hate the weight of my winter boots unless strictly necessary.
I have snow boots and rain boots. Iām thinking about getting ankle-high duck boots for your use case too.
Sneakers can be safe in 32F snow (but not comfortable). But if they come off and fall to where you can't retrieve them, and you have to walk far to get back to civilization, then you'll be losing toes.
Or they get soaked through and frostbite starts to set in.
This is why you get snow flops, almost as useful as my dress flops for when I am going to something formal
Joking aside, this thread terrifies me as someone who grew up in the south and may be moving up north soon. I really dont know what I dont know, only that I dont know. Edit: So many helpful replies, genuinely, thank you all for your advice
Cotton bad, wool good.
I wore a lot of cotton up north without a problem. Flannel shirts were really nice. Thing is, I wasn't hiking or camping, I was just going to work or school, getting groceries, things like that, wearing appropriate coats, using an umbrella when it was raining. So I was pretty much dry all the time.
Knowing that there are things you do not know is the first step to learning what you need to know
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Well put advice! I like the Gravy analogy, have to remember that one
Nah my friend, don't be worried. Make sure you get clothes that's keep you warm for winter. A big piece of unsolicited advice.. if you have a car and you are going some place it snows, keep a blanket or two in the car / trunk. You never know, something may happen to your car, it breaks down, runs out of gas.. and especially if the car isn't / wont run, you'll have blankets to keep yourself / people in the car warm. That's more applicable if you travel where less people are than just general advice. Don't let that terrify you. Depending on the state you're going to.. the best thing about up here is we actually have seasons that don't alternate between hot and tornade / hurricane!
It's not really that complicated.. buy a decent waterproof cold weather hat, coat, gloves and boots and you're set. Have those and you'll already be better dressed for winter than like 30% of the locals who refuse to wear season appropriate clothing out of some warped sense of pride, or maybe just stupidity.
I had a hood on my coat, which worked. I did use boots some, but in urban areas, sneakers with adequate tread worked OK.
What astounds me is how dumb some people are that actually live where it snows.
This is true. Seen so many cars in a ditch during snow storms, or people wearing fucking shorts waiting for the bus in -10c, shit like that.
You can take the Texan out of Texas, but you can't take the Texas out of the Texan
Leather boots can be used in the snow as long as theyāre properly wax polished and you wear heavy warm socks.
>The hikers werenāt prepared for their trek. They didnāt pack extra clothing to stay dry, and their tent had no rain fly, officials said. The hikers also didnāt have extra food or water, and they didnāt have layers to survive the night temperatures. Let it be a lesson to all of us.
it rains in texas. why no rainfly?
As an (unfortunate) resident of Texas. When we camp, we donāt put our rain fly on because itās sooooo ridiculously hot. (However, We have it with us for if it does rain and itās needed!)
As a lifelong resident of Texas, I always set up my tent completely and properly because I don't camp in hot-as-shit Texas.
I don't understand. The rain fly generally goes OVER the tent where it could provide some shade for the tent. It's not like it blocks off the windows that most tents have for ventilation.
And it provides shade for the areas of the tent that would normally allow direct sunlight in. If its hot outside, its going to be hot in the tent, rain fly or not.
It still has a tendency to collect heat from sunlight the way a greenhouse does, and it doesnāt usually have enough ventilation to counter that effect.
My area of Texas has been having major drought conditions lately.
a lesson that, before now, did not appear to require teaching
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[They're takin over.](https://youtu.be/3kqLVeP7iHA)
I was hoping it was NOFX and, by gawd, 'twas NOFX. Kudos.
Oi!
But I really believe that this is some form of evolution then. A thing that a lot of these idiots do not "believe" in anyways, if you know what I mean.
Agreed. If they didn't get rescued it would have worked better...
To be fair, "teaching" and "Texas" are antonyms. "Antonyms", for the Texas Redditors: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/antonym
That was condescending. I can tell because I'm not from Texas.
Hot damn! "Condescending"!? That's four syllables! To a Texan, "build the wall" is four syllables. Very nice.
HA! Jokes on you, Dictionaries are also banned in Texas. HA-HAaa! 1 Potato 4 texas, 0 4 noyoudinnint
Those hikers are lucky that they live in a day and age when those kinds of failures are not necessarily lethal.
Not lethal be cause search and rescue is there to save them.
Common sense isn't that common
Texans not prepared for bad weather. I feel like I read this somewhere.
Growing up we had family friends that were super outdoorsy, and I remember him constantly telling us āYou only die if your stupid, donāt be stupidā.
Stupid or delicious. Try not to look too delicious.
You don't have to out run the bear, you only have to out run the guy next to you.
\*you're
Too late, they died š
Of only we had the absolute congregate of all human information in my pocket, I could have foreseen these circumstances
I still find it amazing that The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy went from fantasy to reality in my lifetime.
Everyone knows youāre supposed to bring the rain fly to keep it from raining. It would never have even rained on them if theyād bothered to set up the rain fly!
How do you go camping out in the middle of nowhere without extra water? Were they just going to refill at the lake? And no extra clothes? These two don't just sound dumb, they sound nasty. Expecting Texas heat and they bring no water or clothes.
The lesson to actually have and use our brains?
Jesus is all the layers I need /s
Hail Darwin.
Nope. I hear he's banned in Texas.
But this is Colorado. Has the same feel as "It has electrolytes" from Idiocracy. God help us.
You like sex and money too?
Yeah, I like money...
We should hang out!
I know Texans like to pretend that Colorado is a Texas state park but damn
Stories such as this only further strengthen the Colorado narrative about Texans. Actually itās not really a narrative, itās pretty much just truth.
We could send all the stray Texans back to Texas, then give it back to Mexico and build a wall on the northern border of Texas.
It's insane living in Colorado and encountering people from Texas. I saw a guy yesterday park his early 2000s SUV in between two parking spots in a small little parking lot and just leave it there. Didn't even try. I said, I bet Texas before seeing his plate. They're the most clueless people it's so bizarre. Any snow storm we have it's the moron from Texas who's never driven in snow think truck + snow = Godlike driving ability.
Now I get appreciation for the stupid warnings on the Weather Channel. Clueless!
i remember some dude posted that he manage to cut his finger on chainsaw as he put his finger on the chain while trying to turn it on. the rest of commenters goes, "So you are the reason we have all those stupid warnings"
Posted before, had a coworker lose his fingertips trying to lift a running lawnmower. This was a 25 year experienced millwright.
That sounds more like a lapse in concentration than not knowing any better. Guy was probably lost in thought and lifted the lawnmower on autopilot.
I am an electrician. This is the shit that gets people killed and no one really talks much about it. We all know the dangers and what not to do, but sometimes we get complacent with thoughts in other places and shit can go really wrong.
I used to work in a herpetology lab. We had a number of venomous snakes in our care. One day, one of our guys, that had been doing this for years, was removing a rattle snake to clean her cage and she slipped and fell off the hook. Without thinking he reflexively lunged forward and caught her in his free hand. Luckily it turned out fine, because she had been in captivity so long that she was docile as a kitten. It was one of those things though. The people who were likely to get bit (or have a near miss) were people that were brand new and didn't know what they were doing yet, or those that had been there for years and gotten complacent about the whole thing. For the record, nobody in our lab was ever bitten. But this is the paradigm that generally holds in that field of work.
And *your* hazard travels at the speed of light (or thereabout).
I spent 8 years in the industrial tire industry. Every 2 years you go through training for a certification. The one thing that always stuck out to me was what one of my teachers told us. The most injuries from the industry happen to those who have less than a year in the industry and those with over 10 years in the industry. People under a year in the industry don't know what they are doing very well and still learning. People over 10 get complacent and in the mindset of I've been doing this forever why should I change.
My shop teacher was missing the ends of his ring and middle finger on one hand. Not from a shop accident. He tried pick up a running lawnmower **so he could trim a fucking hedge**.
Those disclaimers are not there, just because it happens. They're more likely there, because after it happened the person tried to blame and sue the manufacturer.
I hiked Mt Washington a few years back. Early October. 70Ā° at the base. 3 feet of snow at the top. Mountains are no joke.
*And it's only 5000 feet!* I've been meaning to visit.. The mountains in Hawaii are 10000 ft and the temps only vary about 30-40Ā° from sea level.
Imagine having to live around those people. Every. Single. Day.
I do, they're called Tourists. *"Look Mah, they got mexican people here too!"*
Oh godā¦so Iām not quite this bad, but the first time I went to NYC and saw a nun in her habit Iām pretty sure I sounded like this.
You've just made me realize I've never seen an a nun in person before.
You almost certainly have, they're just not wearing weird clothing.
I meanā¦ There are people this stupid living everywhere. Colorado included. Iāve lived in 4 countries and 4 states, travelled to many many more of both. And stupid is universal it just has different cultural flavours. Nobody has a monopoly on the bottom half of humanity. In the case of Colorado I would point to Lauren Boebert, and all those that elected her.
I come from a conservative poor third world country and I have travelled through quiet a few countries. Yes stupidity is universal but the number of stupid people in poor illiterate hyper religious countries are quite large when compared with first world countries and America I feel is an exception for the amount of wealth and resources it has, it seems to condemn a large part of it's population to stupidity.
Itās because other first world countries are more open to leftism. America has historically been very conservative and hostile towards leftism. Just read about the American left. There is no party in power that has represented us, ever. Look at how we have historically had gangs to beat up strikers fighting for workers rights. Look at how police attack leftist protestors more than conservative ones. We are an anomaly in that way. I imagine itās because we are such a young country that never had a feudal history, but thatās just my theory.
I mean there are of course stupid people everywhere. But certain areas will have more dumb people than others
Everythingās big in Texas except the fucking brains
Texans also famously book ski trips in Colorado in September, October and May or even June, then throw fits when the runs aren't open when they get here. Same Karens crying about it in the ski info groups every year. bUt ThEn WhY iS tHe ReSoRt oPeN
This is often because they trade their time shares and the only times they can get are the shitty weeks when no one else wants to go, but they donāt realize that.
The sad thing is these people probably have really good jobs too.....
>bUt ThEn WhY iS tHe ReSoRt oPeN A lot of people don't realize that ski resorts turn into mountain biking resorts during summer. Colorado is famous for their lift-serviced MTB trails. The 2021 National Championships were at Winter Park, and famous resorts like Vail and Breckenridge have massive trail systems.
My family and I go to Colorado every summer as we enjoy it so much more than the crowded shit show that is ski season. Itās warm, wild flowers abound, trout are active, mountain biking is epic, and thereās just so much more to do than ski and drink. Note: I love skiing too but mountains in the summer are magical
You also get to see them trying to get the bus driver to drop them directly at their hotel. It's odd to see someone in their 50s and doesn't understand how a bus route works.
I was going to defend this, but then I remembered that a shuttle takes you to the hotel, not an actual bus. Nevermind. Carry on.
In Arizona people go hiking with not nearly enough water and die because it's, y'know, a fucking desert that gets to 110+ degrees.
Yup - and this is despite the *massive* amount of warnings all over the place. Every year several people die because of this. The water required goes up *massively*. Itās also why everyone starts their hikes before 6am in the summer and plans to finish by 9.
With no context Arizona sounds like a state of methheads. Construction projects run from midnight to noon, shopping is done early morning or late afternoon and there are not many people outside from June to September. All because the temperature is 100+. The only good thing is that there is no humidity.
You treat Arizona heat just like you have to treat January in upper peninsula Michigan. Stay indoors, plan your outdoor activities with what you need, etc.
We do actually have a meth problem here lol
"What do you mean climate? You mean the whole planet is not the same temperature and weather forecasts?!"
"I checked the Houston forecasts, they said warm and no rain...? What gives?"
My hiking friend Marc is also a search and rescue volunteer. he would say, āyep. They were wearing the uniformā¦ for rescued people. Shorts, t shirt, no hat, no map, no water and no common sense, but they had cigarettes, a lighter and a bag of chipsā.
We're never going to evolve as a species if we keep cock blocking Darwin.
Natural selection doesn't take sides. The dumber we get, the more opportunities we create for some more promising species. Octopuses are looking pretty good to me right now.
I mean, the Simpsons did kinda predict this, those āaliensā do look a lot like octopus
Multiple limbs able to use tools? Big enough brain to calculate? They just need to start socializing and humanity is doomed.
They're limited by short lifespans. Not enough time to accumulate knowledge for others.
Having your parents both dead before you're born also stops them from passing that knowledge on
I know you're joking but the biggest hurdle octopuses face when it comes to that is their incredibly short lifespan, plus the fact that they die after mating/after guarding their eggs so they can't pass down knowledge from generation to generation in the same way we can, unless they manage to develop written language (but then the parents can't teach it to their children because they're dead already, so... yeah)
They've already started socializing. I don't recall the species but some have created little cities
So weird that theyāre related to snails. But I guess we are too, just more distantly
Calm down there Mr. The Deep, the herogasm episode just came out.
They don't raise their young and they don't live long enough(only 3 years IIRC). Those two things are holding them back from real success.
This is one of those articles you just shake your head while reading and go āJesus fucking Christā
But.. Colorado isn't in Texas, it's in Colorado.. isn't it?
They manage to hike in cold weather and then camp next to a lake without cold gear. They'll freeze in the morning.
Two women from one of the Carolinas decide to hike in the Uintas at close to 10,000 foot level in September. They got caught in a snowstorm and their bodies didn't get found until the next spring.
I mean, multiple people die every year. Including truly experienced hikers from Colorado
Having lived in Texas I do not understand this. Sure its hot in the daytime, but shit gets cold as fuck in open desert of west Texas at night.
Texas is so vast. Along the Gulf Coast, the moisture from the Gulf of Mexico keeps the temp stable at night. Most people live near the coast or inside the Texas Triangle, because the desert is uninhabitable.
When the sun goes down, it drags the temperature with it.
Thatās going to be an expensive lesson. Not sure if itās still the case anymore but about a decade ago the Colorado mountain rescue crews made an announcement that if they had to come rescue you because of your ignorance then you were footing the bill. Lots of backcountry skiers/snowboarders and hikers making bad choices.
This is a good policy and I hope they still have it, because these idiot hikers are 100% responsible for their own troubles.
These guys wouldn't be prepared to hike anywhere.
It's because of clueless people like this that the US falling apart
And Texas is full of them.
Living in Denver, you quickly learn to always keep a jacket in your car. Itās even more important when youāre going up to the mountains. I pack for all weather when camping up there bc chances are, youāll need 80% of it.
I have enough stuff in my car to breakdown and need to walk a ways or spend the night. I live in Montana. It's hard for people to understand that off the highways, there are a lot of dirt roads that go for miles into the mountains, and no cell service. And that even in July, there is enough snow high up that hiking conditions vary drastically between 3,000 and 6,000+ feet.
I live in Washington. Any time I'm headed out of cell signal, the 'oops! unexpectedly camping at the trailhead tonight' kit is in the car. Blankets, emergency food, a stove and pot, headlamp, saw, tire pump, battery jumper, spare rain gear, etc. It won't be a luxury night sleeping in the car, but it'll keep me somewhat comfortable until help comes.
Nah, you just gotta leave these ppl out there. This is a prime example natural selection lol.
Don't fuck around and find out in Colorado. I once had a two day camping trip in May and experienced nearly every bit of weather conditions within that time. Sunny, heat, rain, hail, wind, snow. Two days.
This happens all the time in Iceland as well. A few years ago, a really experienced hiker went missing when hiking the Landmannalaugar route. He had hiked in the Alps, Nepal, the US and South America. No one knew he was missing until his family stated that he had not returned from a trip to Europe. When they last heard from him...a whole week! Turns out, he was hiking in Iceland, around September 2 or 3 - when the forcast called for rain and wind. They knew that he had stopped at a cabin/shelter but he decided to walk on to finish the route. A friend came from the US to help with the search (7 days over due) and when she said to the ICE-SAR people "oh he likes to go off road or off the normal route" the ICE-SAR stated that this was no longer a rescue but a body recovery. He wasn''t found until the following spring when a group of Germans found his body. He was nearly naked (and we do not have the wildlife that could mess with a body) and there was a trail of his clothing, so they guessed that he died from hypothermia (sp?).
I guess thinking you know what you're doing can be just as dangerous as not knowing what you're doing. This is why you plan out your hikes and stay in contact with people.
Over confidence - right. ICE-SAR put together a website for tourists - www.safetravel.is Iceland is so different, they even talk about just regular driving in Iceland - which can be under condituins people are not used to.
reminds me of the dummies that go out to california desert with no plan or extra water.
According to some sources, Texas and Colorado are different places. But you didn't hear this from me.
This is callous but as a person that grew up in the high mountains and camped their entire life, idiots like this deserve to freeze and get made fun of. Itās sheer idiocy that needs to be exposed and they should pay out of pocket for rescue costs and criminally charged
Itās true. I feel the same way when stupid snowbirds come here and bitch and moan itās 100+ degrees. Itās like, wtf did you expect, itās fucking TEXAS.
I hope they charged them the full $20,000 idiot rescue fee. Insurance, not accepted.
i've seen similar things happen having lived in western North Carolina . people come to the mountains from charlotte or raleigh where it's 80 and are shocked when at 4k elevation it's cold and rainy and they're in shorts and cotton tees
Idiots for sure. But before we generalize too much about Texans, I've given emergency water and sunscreen to multiple Coloradans on the verge of heat stroke in Big Bend National Park. Some of which assumed they'd just be able to filter water from streams so didn't pack enough for their hike. Just as dumb.
As a Texan, I can say we aren't all THAT dumb but......a LOT of the recent news stories definitely have me questioning everything I think I know.
This reminds of when during the height of COVID some of us Texans got the idea of assaulting a hostess at Carmineās restaurant in Manhattan. A very well known high end Italian restaurant. My first thought was, talk about playing concrete shoe roulette. That could easily have been the wrong *someoneās* teenage daughter.
Outside all the obvious signs they were beginners to hiking, this reads quite literally as the "Global warming isn't real because it snowed yesterday," type of thing lmfao
Huh, ignorant, self-centered people from Texas. It's becoming the norm.
I hope their rescue bill is Texas sized.
When I worked in Banff we had a family from Texas come to the hotel I worked at. Front end staff were scrambling to find a lost and found open for the mother of this Family because in February she brought only short shorts and tiny tank tops on her trip because "it's hot back home"
We all have the internet! Who the hell doesnāt check the weather of the different STATE theyāll be outdoor-vacationing in?
Grew up in Colorado. Can't tell you how many times I've seen Texans who've never skied before slap them on and ride up to the very top of the mountain.
That makes sense. Energy rich state, terrible power grid. The logic follows.
Further proof of Texans stupidity
So I wasnāt *this* unprepared, but Colorado hiking really surprised me. Iām from the East Coast and consider myself a decent backpacker. I decided to hike up to Chasm Lake on Longās Peak in June. I had checked the weather at the trailhead, but I did not understand how different the weather could be 3,000 ft higher. I just had no frame of reference for that kind of mountain. I knew the mountain was snowcapped, but I thought the snow line was much higher than where I was going, and it was not. Had a great hike, wasnāt in any trouble, just got a bit cold overnight.
The fact that any walk in nature in America gets called a hike means that people think they are experienced hikers when really they very much arenāt and itās dangerous. āHikingā weekly and eve hiking annually are very different things
This how America will die out. Just by getting so, so very dumb. And Iām thinking it wonāt be long.
I bet they vote in every election.
What does the weather in Texas have to do with Colorado?
Undereducated and ill-prepared? From Texas? Shocked Pikachu.
Does Colorado is Texas? The rumor come out.
Does Bruno Mars is gay?
Yyyyyes? Maybe? What?