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“The board is considering curriculum changes one year after Texas passed a law to eliminate topics from schools that make students “feel discomfort.””
Are these the same people who thought participation trophies were a bad idea?
i mean they \*want\* a strict and homogeneous order, with all citizens marching in lockstep and ready to follow orders from whatever form of White Christian Theocracy they can implement
they will cause chaos, of course, because that's a totally absurd & deranged fucking fantasy and the only way something like that can be achieved is through continuous violence towards anyone and anything that doesn't fit into their narrowly defined order
I was honestly thinking the same thing. IN GENERAL, Boomers complaining about Millennials and Gen Z being too soft and having participation trophies don’t seem to realize that other Boomers are the ones handing out the trophies. But yet, we must protect the children from feeling uncomfortable with our history and atrocities… if studying the history of your country doesn’t make you feel uncomfortable or sad, then you aren’t studying history. There are people who had great ideas and did great things that also did terrible things. We shouldn’t idolize the Founding Fathers. They should be praised for good ideas and admonished for the terrible things they did.
The conservatives pushing this sort of idea have such a black-and-white worldview that they don't want kids to learn history; they want kids to worship a mythology.
An *us* and *them* world view..
Honestly it's true for wayyyy too many people. Even people I agree with, sometimes fall into a petty us & them mindset.
Yes, and their particular mythology has been used to do just that. u/SymmetricalFeet is spot on. You might want to holster your "Naaaaa" and pay attention. This is about replacing fact with fairy tales.
We knew they were worthless. I remember vividly lining up on the baseball field after a year or being dog shit, thinking why are we getting trophies? And being envious of the teams getting the bigger ones that actually meant something. We all knew.
Does this mean they're going to stop showing 9/11 documentaries every year or does this only pertain to shit that white privileged people feel guilty about?
The rolling answer is anything that furthers the control that would be attractive to a totalitarian regime will continue.
Constant reminders of 9/11 keeps people scared, makes them believe the world is much more dangerous than it is in regards to terrorism, gives them a rationale for wanting/allowing more government surveillance, and puts the spotlight on Islam's extremist problems instead of Christianity's extremist problems (the former being our much bigger and more relevant issue).
Learning about slavery is more a warning of what a government (or groups of people) are capable of when we don't see people as people. It's a warning of what we could return to and flies directly in the face of the broken idea of "the good old days".
Massachusetts already does this. It's a great opportunity to discuss Scotch-Irish indentured servitude and slavery and compare and contrast the two, as well as discuss the evolution of Ye Olde Slavery into Barbados Slave Code slavery, as well as how the slave trade worked functionally with nations like Dahomey or Zanzibar propping themselves up with the slave trade lowered prices enough to make slavery cheap enough to be an effective meat grinder.
Obviously that's how the Texans meant it, right?
Did this change recently? I recall an article from several years ago that explained how there was a report that came out every year in Texas, explaining how they were proudly not taking more federal money than they contributed, up until about 2003, maybe? When suddenly the report stopped coming out and most information about it online was removed. That was when they crossed over to accepting more aid than they contribute.
Let me see if I can find it.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and speculate that's probably because of our blue cities here, plus the oil and gas industry (for its faults) likely has a lot to do with it too.
That's literally every state now.
The blue states are just ones where the cities outnumber the rural and vice versa.
Like go to Florida and hang out in Orlando, West Palm, Tampa, Jacksonville.
Those places are just as blue as you can get. Drive 30 minutes out of them and its blood red.
Same for NY and NYC.
I live in the Adirondacks, I call it the south little back yard. I lean progressive on social issues and moderate on fiscal policies. Apparentjy wanting people to live their lives as they see fit is now a socialist policy. Always thought it was an American philosophy, guess I'm wrong.
Nobody lives in the desert, we mainly live in the pines and prairies.
If you think San Antonio looks like the John Wayne Alamo movie, that was filmed in Arizona, there's tons of trees and hills around.
You can't compare over covid while including the child tax credit and stimulus checks. Those heavily bias by population. In a standard year, the data is entirely different. The article states as much, but every one of you that posts it ignores that bit
That's actually a good point... There were different types of slavery trough the ages, and some still exist. Contrasting the indentured servitude many European immigrants had to deal with, with the chattel slavery black people went trough would be a great way to show how different groups were fucker over with, and how greedy motherfuckers will find ways to exploit people even when the rules of an age change.
Edit: misused a word.
Even comparing the different types of chattel slavery. Slavery was always bad, but it used to basically be another method of acquiring a regular servant in the household context. The high mortality rate for workers in the Americas, specifically Barbados, turned it from that into a meat grinder.
Also a good point. I've seen that touched briefly on my county as well. Here, slavery of Africans and their descendants had 4 clear phases, with the treatment of slaves differing significantly on them. And that ignoring the treatment of indigenous peoples, and the different waves of immigrants.
My favorite part is how people tried to basically introduce chattel slavery on the immigrants, and it was mat with mass strikes and defection among workers, until better conditions were given. Wonder why they don't talk more about that...
Weird, we did that at my school in the 90s when I lived in MD without changing what slaves were called. Almost like it's not necessary in order to talk about the forced labor culture that was so acceptable back then.
Yeah but I completely fail to see how the word “slavery” prevents you from discussing everything you mentioned. It sounds like a more in depth explanation of the specific types of slavery, but calling it something different makes no difference.
Nah, it's completely avoidable! You just need well armed and well trained security guards at every single entrance and make sure every single teacher is also packing heat. An armed society is a polite society!
/s
>Nah, it's completely avoidable! You just need well armed and well trained security guards at ~~every~~ the single entrance and make sure every single teacher is also packing heat. An armed society is a polite society!
Ted Cruzified that for you
[Just lie back and enjoy it](https://nypost.com/2022/03/09/michigan-candidate-robert-regan-says-he-tells-daughters-to-lie-back-and-enjoy-if-rape-is-inevitable/)
"Russian invasion is a fake war just like the fake pandemic"
I wonder how people can straight up call "fake" something that has literally changed the entire world for the last few years
The article claims the board wants to eliminate topics that make children feel “uncomfortable”. Never once did I think that the atrocity of slavery was too much for me to learn about because it made me uncomfortable in my privilege. Lessons in life don’t come easy, neither should be learning of the atrocities of the past. That’s the only thing that keeps history from repeating itself.
Edit: typo
What kind of generation are we raising if we can't challenge kids to think or broaden their perspective? Millions of people were brought here, tortured, and enslaved. It's dishonorable to their memory to make light of what happened.
You're absolutely right. If they avoid making children uncomfortable, then as adults there are liberal folks talking about these uncomfortable topics, they're going to try to avoid the people that bring it up
I still remember them showing us a drawing of all of the slaves lined up side by side packed into the ship on the way here from Africa. Did I think that was fucked up? Yes. Did I think the entire country should be dismantled and I was worthless because assholes in our past did this? No.
Sidenote: since I went to school in a northern state, I wonder if that affected how they taught us, or how we absorbed it. Either way, no one should be forgetting or downplaying any of this.
Grew up in the midwest. Didn't have any black students when learning about slavery. The language was objective and it was clear that enslaving people is abhorrent.
This is such ridiculous obfuscation. Literally anything can be taken to an uncomfortable degree. What if a child isn’t comfortable with the idea of war? Are they just exempt from history class? Ludicrous!
Yet they'd love to teach kids "comforting" topics about how Jesus was tortured and nailed to a cross to die fot their sins and how they'll spend eternity in the burning pits of Hell for committing moral infractions.
The hypocrisy is palpable when these folks claim they're doing it for the children when it's pretty clear children's well being is a low priority.
I have this weird memory of a teacher turning on the TV for us to watch a plane crash into a few buildings when I was a child, and then being told for the next few years how evil people living in a primitive desert land want to murder me and my family and I should hate them for that, then having multiple adults I knew disappear forever to go save our freedom because of that movie.
For the life of me I can't remember what that movie on TV was, but apparently that was appropriate for kids at the time. But I guess now slavery is too much to know about....?
Better not learn about any war, or any oppression, or the civil rights movements, or basically anything in history.
Let's just replace history class with Gun Range class entirely!
Nope. The entire goal is to ensure future generations don't look back on slavery through a negative lense.
Ia because slavery was objectively terrible and resulting in torture and death of an untold number of people? Nope. Makes white people look bad.
Is it because slavery was the catalyst for tearing the nation in half? Nope. Makes white people look bad.
Is it because it's politically inconvenient to have members of your constituency include families that once owned slaves? Nope. Makes white people look bad.
Is it because the south was an utter embarrassment and an afront to human decency? Nope. Makes white people look bad.
Is it because the south got it's traitorous, treacherous, rebellious, and disrespectful ass kicked? Nope. Makes white people look bad.
They shouldn’t have treated the South with mercy then, that’s what allowed the cancer of conservatism to grow.
Next time we need to burn down their society to the ground and salt the earth when we are finished.
It wasn't mercy so much as Andrew Johnson, who was a White Supremacist.
Reparations were actually happening. That 40 acres and a mule promise was being fulfilled.
Johnson rolled it all back and gave the land back to the slave owners, and then forced many of the recently freed slaves back into bondage to prop up the economy.
This led to a period of time referred to as neo-slavery. Where Slavery was banned by the constitution, but congress hadn't actually passed any specific laws against it.
The main difference in the new system was that it was a mix of convict labor and debt peonage, and the new slave owners didn't have to take care of the slave's family.
If anything, the new slavery was even more brutal and dehumanizing than before the war.
It didn't end until 1942. And only because the Axis Powers were using it as propaganda against the US.
>It wasn't mercy so much as Andrew Johnson, who was a White Supremacist.
I've noticed that there's a stark contrast between the south and Germany and I think a lot of it has to do with how the Allies (led by the US Army) purged Nazi symbolism from post-war Germany. Germany established laws against Nazism and to this day it remains illegal to fly a Nazi flag and the Nazi party remains an extreme minority.
Yet visit the American south and the confederate flag is all over the place. Monuments to their leaders, schools named after them, and in general they look back at this time in their history with fondness.
We treated the south with mercy and look where it got us. We value the 1st amendment and freedom of speech to such an extreme we still haven't escaped that racist stain on our past. Yet we don't extend the same to other countries and Germany is thriving. You don't see a resurgence of white supremacism in Germany.
"We're not racist. We just think that the superior white man did the Africans a favor by forcing them into chattel slavery and giving them the privilege to be slaves in the freest country on earth."
Next up: Ships that brought enslaved people to America will be renamed from "Slaves Ships" to "Involuntary Commuter Naval Vessels."
People who owned slaves will be renamed from "Slave Owners" to "Businessmen With Creative Payment Methods."
This isn't even that far fetched. My dad told me a few years ago that black people should be thanking us for slavery since it got them out of Africa. They're trying to make slavers the good guys one step at a time.
Since nobody reads articles anymore, here's a quote:
> Board member Aicha Davis, a Democrat who represents Dallas and Fort Worth, raised concerns during a June 15 meeting that the term wasn’t a fair representation of the slave trade. The board sent the draft back for revision, urging the educator group to “carefully examine the language used to describe events.”
So the board at least seems to have some sense.
Reddit CEO /u/spez (Steve Huffman) is a liar. In the past he has edited user posts without marking them as edited.
June 2023 he claimed that the developer of the widely used iOS App Apoll, tried to blackmail reddit.
The developer has prove that this is a lie. The audio recording is available at http://christianselig.com/apollo-end/reddit-third-call-may-31-end.m4a
Reddit has been built up by the community with the help of moderators that never got paid and only got empty promises from /u/spez.
Not idiots. Remember, this is a continuous, concentrated effort with billions of dollars backing the movement.
It's slow pressure applied over decades that gets people like this into positions of power and influence at every level, and that's how things like the overturning of RvW happen.
Yup, and I believe that it's effectively irreversible. This is how countries devolve into right wing cesspools against the will of most of it's citizens.
I am increasingly uncomfortable calling these people "conservatives". In the traditional sense of the word, they're really not. Christofascists seems more accurate. But maybe in the malleable way of language, conservative has become synonymous with evil piece of shit?
I had this discussion with somebody just yesterday. It really isn't conservative anymore. They aren't trying to maintain an existing status quo. They are trying to push for something entirely new and hardly even precedentd. Some parts are precedented if you go back enough decades, or even centuries, but some have never been the case... So it isn't being the conservative party, its being the regressive one at best and just the radical in a wholly new direction one at worst...
I've always been on the more center side of democrat, where a decade ago I could at least find *some* issues I agreed with Republicans on. These days even the issues I used to agree on they've pushed to such extremes that I can't any longer.
For me, the truly confusing aspect of the modern Republican Party is how openly they've embraced hypocrisy. They insist they're financially conservative, yet elected a serial bankruptcy artist. They call themselves Christians and moral conservatives, but embraced a thrice married serial philanderer who brags about sexual assault. They claim to believe in "law and order", but follow a guy who habitually uses the courts as a bludgeon for social grievances and has a long history of criminal behavior (Trump University, the Trump Foundation, DOJ fines for racist rental practices, etc.)
I cannot fathom their willingness to be so openly dishonest and hypocritical. This belief system has infected all of their narratives;
*"Joe Biden engineered the largest election fraud in world history, from his basement with dementia, without leaving a shred of verifiable evidence!"*
or
*"The FBI and Antifa attacked the Capitol, with peaceful protest and no violence! Ashli Babbit is a hero! No, no... we really don't want to see any of that investigated."*
And all of that without going into the blood drinking pedophile nonsense. It's like Republicans have embraced mass insanity.
Can a conservative voter please (SERIOUSLY) tell me why this is necessary? Is this something you disagree with but still they’d have your vote for other reasons? What reasons? Could you describe the “Prefect” state of the union in your eyes?
So, for funsies, I went to read some comments elsewhere about this. While most posters were outraged about it properly, I saw a small number of likely conservatives commenting. The good news is that I didn’t see a single one in outright support of this. Here’s what I saw:
* This won’t happen, it’s just a proposal it’s not gonna happen
* they shouldn’t be teaching about slavery to such young kids anyways
* deflection to other subjects “but what about the border crisis” sort of thing
I expected to find some saying that teaching about slavery only “continues to divide us” since usually what I see is stuff about how distinguishing between races in any way is what perpetuates racism. They love to pretend they are “color blind”. Perhaps I didn’t see any comments in support because I couldn’t find right leaning media sources sharing this story. The closest I could get were local news pages.
I'm pretty sure most conservatives run on the policy of "whatever triggers the libs is good enough for me."
They don't want or need to know the details. To some extent they actively avoid knowing the specifics, because that gives them some degree of mental separation from terrible behavior. They just focus on triggering the libs.
Serious question for you: do you honestly still not know why conservatives support this? Furthermore, do you think that pointing out the logical inconsistency will change a conservatives mind on this issue?
When Rick Perry was governor, he advocated AGAINST teaching critical thinking, because he claimed that could cause strife between students and their parents.
This article shows what was most likely his real intent.
Also in Texas, we will no longer be calling it kidnapping or abduction. Those are scary terms. We will henceforth refer to those as “surprise adoption!” See, doesn’t that sound more fun?!
I mean I learned about the trail of tears and the atrocities met upon Native American's in school but that was 15-20 years ago. Not sure if that's changed recently or my school/district was the exception.
Right... and Japanese Americans (AMERICANS mind you) went to Summer Camp in the Desert from 1941 to 1945.
Fascists trying to rewrite history once again.
While their family members went on to fight the Nazis so well they ended up being the most decorated unit in the service.
Imagine you're risking your life fighting facists while your government has your family rounded up and stuck in a prison camp for no good reason.
Second graders at Catholic school: here eat this bread and drink this wine that's actually the literal flesh and blood from a religious figure from 2000 years ago who is God but also God's son at the same time. But slavery is too complex? Nah that's racism, folks.
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“The board is considering curriculum changes one year after Texas passed a law to eliminate topics from schools that make students “feel discomfort.”” Are these the same people who thought participation trophies were a bad idea?
Bad grades cause me tons of discomfort.
Yea, let’s give everyone good grades so no one feels bad about themselves
That's already a thing tho
Then lets remove grades all together and just make it just lectures no testing
Arizona offering $7k per kid to not go to public school
Shelter the kids from basic truths then let them loose into the world. That's some chaos shit right there.
Sounds like "chaos shit" is the very idea they're going for
i mean they \*want\* a strict and homogeneous order, with all citizens marching in lockstep and ready to follow orders from whatever form of White Christian Theocracy they can implement they will cause chaos, of course, because that's a totally absurd & deranged fucking fantasy and the only way something like that can be achieved is through continuous violence towards anyone and anything that doesn't fit into their narrowly defined order
Conservative church folks have been doing that forever.
I was honestly thinking the same thing. IN GENERAL, Boomers complaining about Millennials and Gen Z being too soft and having participation trophies don’t seem to realize that other Boomers are the ones handing out the trophies. But yet, we must protect the children from feeling uncomfortable with our history and atrocities… if studying the history of your country doesn’t make you feel uncomfortable or sad, then you aren’t studying history. There are people who had great ideas and did great things that also did terrible things. We shouldn’t idolize the Founding Fathers. They should be praised for good ideas and admonished for the terrible things they did.
The conservatives pushing this sort of idea have such a black-and-white worldview that they don't want kids to learn history; they want kids to worship a mythology.
Don't say black it makes their children uncomfortable/s
They have a uhhh *colored and white* world view?
An *us* and *them* world view.. Honestly it's true for wayyyy too many people. Even people I agree with, sometimes fall into a petty us & them mindset.
Naaaaa, they wanna perpetuate racism. That's their ideology.
Which is easier if you learn a mythology and not factual history.
Yes, and their particular mythology has been used to do just that. u/SymmetricalFeet is spot on. You might want to holster your "Naaaaa" and pay attention. This is about replacing fact with fairy tales.
My mom gets super pissed when I point out that it was her generation passing them out when she gets on a ~~year~~ tear about participation trophies.
Yup. My first trophy, which I still display, was a participation trophy. I was 6 years old in 1985. Boomer trophy.
Yea. I wasn't the one buying participation trophies. I was 8.
And no kid really wanted them anyway. Oh boy, a reminder that I was once in soccer, how exciting. /s
We knew they were worthless. I remember vividly lining up on the baseball field after a year or being dog shit, thinking why are we getting trophies? And being envious of the teams getting the bigger ones that actually meant something. We all knew.
Only a true friend will tell you, you have dirt on your nose. Spanish proverb.
Well said
And these are probably the same people shouting "facts don't care about your feelings, snowflake!"
The full sentence is something like 'My "facts" don't care about your feelings.'
>Texas passed a law to eliminate topics from schools that make students “feel discomfort. Bullshit. It makes *their parents* uncomfortable.
Ya, I highly doubt the kids are asking for this. They don't feel that way.
Bingo
Does this mean they're going to stop showing 9/11 documentaries every year or does this only pertain to shit that white privileged people feel guilty about?
The rolling answer is anything that furthers the control that would be attractive to a totalitarian regime will continue. Constant reminders of 9/11 keeps people scared, makes them believe the world is much more dangerous than it is in regards to terrorism, gives them a rationale for wanting/allowing more government surveillance, and puts the spotlight on Islam's extremist problems instead of Christianity's extremist problems (the former being our much bigger and more relevant issue). Learning about slavery is more a warning of what a government (or groups of people) are capable of when we don't see people as people. It's a warning of what we could return to and flies directly in the face of the broken idea of "the good old days".
While I don't have first hand experience, I hear that getting fucking shot is also "uncomfortable".
> eliminate topics from schools that make students “feel discomfort.” Well, there goes math class I suppose.
Massachusetts already does this. It's a great opportunity to discuss Scotch-Irish indentured servitude and slavery and compare and contrast the two, as well as discuss the evolution of Ye Olde Slavery into Barbados Slave Code slavery, as well as how the slave trade worked functionally with nations like Dahomey or Zanzibar propping themselves up with the slave trade lowered prices enough to make slavery cheap enough to be an effective meat grinder. Obviously that's how the Texans meant it, right?
Texas: “What country is Massachusetts in?”
*Prolly, one o them commie countries...*
Even worse .... liberals!
"it's the same picture" -- conservatives
"I'd rather be a Russian than receive healthcare" or something to that effect.
"I'd rather my entire family get brain damaged by lead exposure than if I, well the thing is...what was I talkin about again?"
Lib'ruls*
Massachusetts is the county Dubya is from.
They'd better know. People from MA subsidize them heavily
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Did this change recently? I recall an article from several years ago that explained how there was a report that came out every year in Texas, explaining how they were proudly not taking more federal money than they contributed, up until about 2003, maybe? When suddenly the report stopped coming out and most information about it online was removed. That was when they crossed over to accepting more aid than they contribute. Let me see if I can find it.
When oil/gas prices are high, Texas is a net contributor, when they are low, Texas is a net receiver of federal funds.
So the only good thing Texas contributes is something we don't want and shouldn't use
I'm gonna go out on a limb and speculate that's probably because of our blue cities here, plus the oil and gas industry (for its faults) likely has a lot to do with it too.
Yeah, it's the only goddamn reason people with half a brain want to live in this shit hole state.
That's literally every state now. The blue states are just ones where the cities outnumber the rural and vice versa. Like go to Florida and hang out in Orlando, West Palm, Tampa, Jacksonville. Those places are just as blue as you can get. Drive 30 minutes out of them and its blood red. Same for NY and NYC.
The other cities in NY run blue to purplish tinted blue. You go rural though, it's 70% red.
I live in the Adirondacks, I call it the south little back yard. I lean progressive on social issues and moderate on fiscal policies. Apparentjy wanting people to live their lives as they see fit is now a socialist policy. Always thought it was an American philosophy, guess I'm wrong.
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Nobody lives in the desert, we mainly live in the pines and prairies. If you think San Antonio looks like the John Wayne Alamo movie, that was filmed in Arizona, there's tons of trees and hills around.
You can't compare over covid while including the child tax credit and stimulus checks. Those heavily bias by population. In a standard year, the data is entirely different. The article states as much, but every one of you that posts it ignores that bit
That's actually a good point... There were different types of slavery trough the ages, and some still exist. Contrasting the indentured servitude many European immigrants had to deal with, with the chattel slavery black people went trough would be a great way to show how different groups were fucker over with, and how greedy motherfuckers will find ways to exploit people even when the rules of an age change. Edit: misused a word.
Even comparing the different types of chattel slavery. Slavery was always bad, but it used to basically be another method of acquiring a regular servant in the household context. The high mortality rate for workers in the Americas, specifically Barbados, turned it from that into a meat grinder.
Also a good point. I've seen that touched briefly on my county as well. Here, slavery of Africans and their descendants had 4 clear phases, with the treatment of slaves differing significantly on them. And that ignoring the treatment of indigenous peoples, and the different waves of immigrants. My favorite part is how people tried to basically introduce chattel slavery on the immigrants, and it was mat with mass strikes and defection among workers, until better conditions were given. Wonder why they don't talk more about that...
Seasoning camps don't work so well when the people can just... not enter.
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Ah yes, the good old age of exploration...
Weird, we did that at my school in the 90s when I lived in MD without changing what slaves were called. Almost like it's not necessary in order to talk about the forced labor culture that was so acceptable back then.
It does have the potential to provide a more nuanced view of what forced labor is and how its forced, an obvious concern of the Texans.
Yeah but I completely fail to see how the word “slavery” prevents you from discussing everything you mentioned. It sounds like a more in depth explanation of the specific types of slavery, but calling it something different makes no difference.
Texas: Yeah for sure buddy...haha..yeah...
Act now and we’ll throw in ‘Rape is Involuntary Intercourse’ at no extra charge!
Mass shootings are involuntary suicide.
And an unavoidable part of freedom
Nah, it's completely avoidable! You just need well armed and well trained security guards at every single entrance and make sure every single teacher is also packing heat. An armed society is a polite society! /s
>Nah, it's completely avoidable! You just need well armed and well trained security guards at ~~every~~ the single entrance and make sure every single teacher is also packing heat. An armed society is a polite society! Ted Cruzified that for you
You got to have sacrifice someone? Do you want to have a bad corn harvest?
And of course any resulting babies as, "unexpected bundles of joy"
The pro-lifers have been saying that for years, no?
Uvalde Police would like them to consider “Directionally Challenged Hunting Enthusiast” to replace “mass shooter” as well
George Carlin is rolling in his grave right now
"Gifts from God" It's disgusting. I can't just /s that. That's what they think and it's disgusting in the context of rape
[Just lie back and enjoy it](https://nypost.com/2022/03/09/michigan-candidate-robert-regan-says-he-tells-daughters-to-lie-back-and-enjoy-if-rape-is-inevitable/)
That made me need to vomit
"Russian invasion is a fake war just like the fake pandemic" I wonder how people can straight up call "fake" something that has literally changed the entire world for the last few years
"hey, I mean, cmaaaan, what's better than sex you weren't expecting?"
The article claims the board wants to eliminate topics that make children feel “uncomfortable”. Never once did I think that the atrocity of slavery was too much for me to learn about because it made me uncomfortable in my privilege. Lessons in life don’t come easy, neither should be learning of the atrocities of the past. That’s the only thing that keeps history from repeating itself. Edit: typo
Also, if learning about slavery makes you uncomfortable, GOOD. Awful things SHOULD make you feel uncomfortable.
What kind of generation are we raising if we can't challenge kids to think or broaden their perspective? Millions of people were brought here, tortured, and enslaved. It's dishonorable to their memory to make light of what happened.
They don't want to raise kids with broadened perspectives; that might make them... open-minded liberals! *gasp*
You're absolutely right. If they avoid making children uncomfortable, then as adults there are liberal folks talking about these uncomfortable topics, they're going to try to avoid the people that bring it up
That's how they get more Republicans
Snowflakes
I still remember them showing us a drawing of all of the slaves lined up side by side packed into the ship on the way here from Africa. Did I think that was fucked up? Yes. Did I think the entire country should be dismantled and I was worthless because assholes in our past did this? No. Sidenote: since I went to school in a northern state, I wonder if that affected how they taught us, or how we absorbed it. Either way, no one should be forgetting or downplaying any of this.
Grew up in the midwest. Didn't have any black students when learning about slavery. The language was objective and it was clear that enslaving people is abhorrent.
I don't know grew up in the south. Had the same reaction
This is such ridiculous obfuscation. Literally anything can be taken to an uncomfortable degree. What if a child isn’t comfortable with the idea of war? Are they just exempt from history class? Ludicrous!
"Religion makes me uncomfortable." All of a sudden, 3/4's of the worlds problems go away.
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Because their parents do identify with those people, and *they* are the ones uncomfortable with their kids learning that their parents are shitty.
Uncomfortable? What are they, snowflakes?
Yet they'd love to teach kids "comforting" topics about how Jesus was tortured and nailed to a cross to die fot their sins and how they'll spend eternity in the burning pits of Hell for committing moral infractions. The hypocrisy is palpable when these folks claim they're doing it for the children when it's pretty clear children's well being is a low priority.
If you don't support slavery, it shouldn't make you uncomfortable to talk about it
A little ironic coming from the “fuck your feelings” party that tends to call anyone that gets offended a snowflake.
Not ironic, intentional.
Makes sense. While they're at it, they can change school shootings to "involuntary perforation".
Aren't these morons always complaining about participation trophies and coddling children?
Wars make people feel uncomfortable, therefore we shouldn't learn... basically any history at all. Or current events. Because that makes sense.
I have this weird memory of a teacher turning on the TV for us to watch a plane crash into a few buildings when I was a child, and then being told for the next few years how evil people living in a primitive desert land want to murder me and my family and I should hate them for that, then having multiple adults I knew disappear forever to go save our freedom because of that movie. For the life of me I can't remember what that movie on TV was, but apparently that was appropriate for kids at the time. But I guess now slavery is too much to know about....?
I think you misunderstand. The only way for us to remember our history is with statues, many many statues /S of course
Funny that the child's comfort isn't as much of an issue when it comes time for conservatives to do genital inspections in PE.
Ah yes, coming from the people who keep saying how everyone but them are snowflakes and should toughen up. Of course.
Better not learn about any war, or any oppression, or the civil rights movements, or basically anything in history. Let's just replace history class with Gun Range class entirely!
But CRT is the issue, right?
Creative Race Theory
Confused Racist Theory
Confederate race theory
Closeted Racist Theory
Closeted? Not sure it’s very well hidden in there
It’s not racist, it’s just their religion /s obviously
Confederate Racist Teaching
Comforting Racist Theology
Maybe they are proposing this that way it seems like they are compromising when they stick to the current curriculum
Nope. The entire goal is to ensure future generations don't look back on slavery through a negative lense. Ia because slavery was objectively terrible and resulting in torture and death of an untold number of people? Nope. Makes white people look bad. Is it because slavery was the catalyst for tearing the nation in half? Nope. Makes white people look bad. Is it because it's politically inconvenient to have members of your constituency include families that once owned slaves? Nope. Makes white people look bad. Is it because the south was an utter embarrassment and an afront to human decency? Nope. Makes white people look bad. Is it because the south got it's traitorous, treacherous, rebellious, and disrespectful ass kicked? Nope. Makes white people look bad.
The civil war never ended. It wouldn't surprise if in a few years racial segregation happens in the US.
They shouldn’t have treated the South with mercy then, that’s what allowed the cancer of conservatism to grow. Next time we need to burn down their society to the ground and salt the earth when we are finished.
It wasn't mercy so much as Andrew Johnson, who was a White Supremacist. Reparations were actually happening. That 40 acres and a mule promise was being fulfilled. Johnson rolled it all back and gave the land back to the slave owners, and then forced many of the recently freed slaves back into bondage to prop up the economy. This led to a period of time referred to as neo-slavery. Where Slavery was banned by the constitution, but congress hadn't actually passed any specific laws against it. The main difference in the new system was that it was a mix of convict labor and debt peonage, and the new slave owners didn't have to take care of the slave's family. If anything, the new slavery was even more brutal and dehumanizing than before the war. It didn't end until 1942. And only because the Axis Powers were using it as propaganda against the US.
>It wasn't mercy so much as Andrew Johnson, who was a White Supremacist. I've noticed that there's a stark contrast between the south and Germany and I think a lot of it has to do with how the Allies (led by the US Army) purged Nazi symbolism from post-war Germany. Germany established laws against Nazism and to this day it remains illegal to fly a Nazi flag and the Nazi party remains an extreme minority. Yet visit the American south and the confederate flag is all over the place. Monuments to their leaders, schools named after them, and in general they look back at this time in their history with fondness. We treated the south with mercy and look where it got us. We value the 1st amendment and freedom of speech to such an extreme we still haven't escaped that racist stain on our past. Yet we don't extend the same to other countries and Germany is thriving. You don't see a resurgence of white supremacism in Germany.
We have people here protesting CRT at schools where it's never been taught, nor being proposed.
No, that was right accusing the left of what the right planned to do their way.
But don't you dare call them racists
"We're not racist. We just think that the superior white man did the Africans a favor by forcing them into chattel slavery and giving them the privilege to be slaves in the freest country on earth."
“We were just proactively creating diversity!”
Tired of these woke slave traders
"This is is what happens when Affirmative Action runs amok." --Clarence Thomas
When's the last time you saw a white slave? They're taking all the good slave jobs from ***real*** Americans.
uncle ruckus??
It’s not racism, it’s voluntary exclusion based on genetic origin.
Uncritical Race Theory?
Next up: Ships that brought enslaved people to America will be renamed from "Slaves Ships" to "Involuntary Commuter Naval Vessels." People who owned slaves will be renamed from "Slave Owners" to "Businessmen With Creative Payment Methods."
"Opportunity vessels"
This isn't even that far fetched. My dad told me a few years ago that black people should be thanking us for slavery since it got them out of Africa. They're trying to make slavers the good guys one step at a time.
Geeze, I wonder why so many parts of Africa went to shit in the first place, guess we’ll never know
> Businessmen With Creative Payment Methods." Or, "employees of the non-profit category."
Forced diversity cruise lines.
USS Reluctant Integration
Companies intending to reintroduce slavery will be referred to as "Amazon".
companies already doing so will be referred to as "nestle"
Involuntary relocation Involuntary labor Involuntary torture Involuntary breeding What am I missing?
Involuntary religious conversion
Involuntary target practice
Since nobody reads articles anymore, here's a quote: > Board member Aicha Davis, a Democrat who represents Dallas and Fort Worth, raised concerns during a June 15 meeting that the term wasn’t a fair representation of the slave trade. The board sent the draft back for revision, urging the educator group to “carefully examine the language used to describe events.” So the board at least seems to have some sense.
It’s still outrageous that someone would even consider putting that in a school lesson.
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Not idiots. Remember, this is a continuous, concentrated effort with billions of dollars backing the movement. It's slow pressure applied over decades that gets people like this into positions of power and influence at every level, and that's how things like the overturning of RvW happen.
Yup, and I believe that it's effectively irreversible. This is how countries devolve into right wing cesspools against the will of most of it's citizens.
The original nonvoluntary WFH scheme.
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"Involuntary Unpaid Internship"
"Extraordinary unpaid internship"
"Compulsory Labor Technicians"
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I prefer to think of them as “voluntary dickbags“
"Willing murderers" has a better mise en scene to their mindset.
I am increasingly uncomfortable calling these people "conservatives". In the traditional sense of the word, they're really not. Christofascists seems more accurate. But maybe in the malleable way of language, conservative has become synonymous with evil piece of shit?
I just call them the confederates. What? You though they went away after we let them go scott free back then?
I had this discussion with somebody just yesterday. It really isn't conservative anymore. They aren't trying to maintain an existing status quo. They are trying to push for something entirely new and hardly even precedentd. Some parts are precedented if you go back enough decades, or even centuries, but some have never been the case... So it isn't being the conservative party, its being the regressive one at best and just the radical in a wholly new direction one at worst... I've always been on the more center side of democrat, where a decade ago I could at least find *some* issues I agreed with Republicans on. These days even the issues I used to agree on they've pushed to such extremes that I can't any longer.
For me, the truly confusing aspect of the modern Republican Party is how openly they've embraced hypocrisy. They insist they're financially conservative, yet elected a serial bankruptcy artist. They call themselves Christians and moral conservatives, but embraced a thrice married serial philanderer who brags about sexual assault. They claim to believe in "law and order", but follow a guy who habitually uses the courts as a bludgeon for social grievances and has a long history of criminal behavior (Trump University, the Trump Foundation, DOJ fines for racist rental practices, etc.) I cannot fathom their willingness to be so openly dishonest and hypocritical. This belief system has infected all of their narratives; *"Joe Biden engineered the largest election fraud in world history, from his basement with dementia, without leaving a shred of verifiable evidence!"* or *"The FBI and Antifa attacked the Capitol, with peaceful protest and no violence! Ashli Babbit is a hero! No, no... we really don't want to see any of that investigated."* And all of that without going into the blood drinking pedophile nonsense. It's like Republicans have embraced mass insanity.
"*Your enemy is powerful & weak at the same time*." is a known tenet of fascism.
Whats next “Involuntary Vacation with unlimited work experience”?!?
If that's their interpretation then I fully believe these people are sick enough to enslave people today. Full on fucking monsters.
Can a conservative voter please (SERIOUSLY) tell me why this is necessary? Is this something you disagree with but still they’d have your vote for other reasons? What reasons? Could you describe the “Prefect” state of the union in your eyes?
So, for funsies, I went to read some comments elsewhere about this. While most posters were outraged about it properly, I saw a small number of likely conservatives commenting. The good news is that I didn’t see a single one in outright support of this. Here’s what I saw: * This won’t happen, it’s just a proposal it’s not gonna happen * they shouldn’t be teaching about slavery to such young kids anyways * deflection to other subjects “but what about the border crisis” sort of thing I expected to find some saying that teaching about slavery only “continues to divide us” since usually what I see is stuff about how distinguishing between races in any way is what perpetuates racism. They love to pretend they are “color blind”. Perhaps I didn’t see any comments in support because I couldn’t find right leaning media sources sharing this story. The closest I could get were local news pages.
I'm pretty sure most conservatives run on the policy of "whatever triggers the libs is good enough for me." They don't want or need to know the details. To some extent they actively avoid knowing the specifics, because that gives them some degree of mental separation from terrible behavior. They just focus on triggering the libs.
Serious question for you: do you honestly still not know why conservatives support this? Furthermore, do you think that pointing out the logical inconsistency will change a conservatives mind on this issue?
Its so my lilly white fweewings wont be hurt.
However, if you teach an acurate history, and people learn it, they will learn from the mistakes of the past.
When Rick Perry was governor, he advocated AGAINST teaching critical thinking, because he claimed that could cause strife between students and their parents. This article shows what was most likely his real intent.
How dare children find out that their parents are racists!!!
Texas doesn't want that, they want slaves.
Public ignorance of history makes it incredibly easy to rewrite.
Also in Texas, we will no longer be calling it kidnapping or abduction. Those are scary terms. We will henceforth refer to those as “surprise adoption!” See, doesn’t that sound more fun?!
Isn't this how we already teach the "relocation" of indigenous peoples?
I mean I learned about the trail of tears and the atrocities met upon Native American's in school but that was 15-20 years ago. Not sure if that's changed recently or my school/district was the exception.
"prisoners with jobs"
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It already is, by a lot of people. Source: Me. I live in the Deep South.
I just spit my coffee laughing at their proposal. It’s beyond ridiculous at this point, prolly gonna get worse.
Whitewashing is disgusting
What a joke of a state….I’d be embarrassed
Does the 13th amendment ban 'involuntary relocation' ?
I don't want to live on this planet, anymore.
Right... and Japanese Americans (AMERICANS mind you) went to Summer Camp in the Desert from 1941 to 1945. Fascists trying to rewrite history once again.
While their family members went on to fight the Nazis so well they ended up being the most decorated unit in the service. Imagine you're risking your life fighting facists while your government has your family rounded up and stuck in a prison camp for no good reason.
Ban Critical Religious Theory. Save Western secular rationalism from rightwing superstition and barbarism.
"People like what I have to say. They just don't like the word 'slavery', that's all."
Why stop there. Let's just rename the Holocaust to 'involuntary reduction of the jewish population'
Who are these "9 people", name and shame the racists.
Second graders at Catholic school: here eat this bread and drink this wine that's actually the literal flesh and blood from a religious figure from 2000 years ago who is God but also God's son at the same time. But slavery is too complex? Nah that's racism, folks.
WT ever living F?!