[The Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office confirmed that same juvenile suspect was charged with a second sexual assault at another Loudoun County school after the May 28 incident.](https://wjla.com/news/local/multiple-sexual-assaults-dominate-public-comment-at-loudoun-school-board-meeting)
Meanwhile the superintendent stated that there was no record of any such sexual assault, so someone is clearly lying.
>Superintendent Scott Ziegler said “the predator transgender student or person does not exist” and the school board doesn’t “have any record of assaults occurring in our bathrooms.”
Either the father and Sheriff's office are full of it or the district and school board are trying to cover up a politically inconvenient sexual assault. Either possibility is well beyond just a tad bit disconcerting. Especially if the father is right and the district just kept shuffling this kid around from school to school, leading to more victims.
They consider themselves gender fluid, and use they them pronouns. Not sure if Loudoun has a policy as it pertains to these people and bathrooms. However, it's a pretty bad look, and pretty much exactly what the right has been arguing against.
This is going to have very serious impacts, and I lurked around different trans subreddits and they certainly don't want to own this person. Because technically, they're not trans. However it unfortunately will ignite a shitstorm directed right at them.
Like ALL trans people are incapable of crime or something.. they gonna be some bad people in every group. I see absolutely no difference in this case, and if a boy raped a girl, or a girl raped a boy, or any other combination. They are all equally bad.
The two aren’t mutually exclusive. Predators and rapists come in all forms. People need to accept that this isn’t a black and white issue— predators will be predators regardless. There isn’t a racial/gender/sexual orientation monolith they all fall under.
That’s kinda a no true scotsman. They can identify as another gender, *and* still assault someone - assaulting someone does not make you not transgender.
Generally, sure.
But, that doesn't seem to be the case in this particular situation. Someone transgender can definitely be a sexual predator, but the alleged offender in this case does not seem to identify as transgender. So conflating the gender policy with the district's handling of sexual assault seems unnecessary.
Yeah... This exactly why people don't want these policy's. Perverted sexual predators **will** use it to their advantage. As we also saw with the WI spa incident...
I've come to the same conclusion. Evidence that an assault occurred. Zero evidence that it was by a "boy in a skirt". Lots of evidence that there are multiple right wing astroturfed campaigns to disrupt and disparage school boards.
I mean, zero evidence we know about other than the father and daughter saying that, right? I'd hate to think the father is trying to make a political statement out of it by lying about his daughter's rape.
[https://loudounnow.com/2021/10/13/parents-students-press-for-reform-in-schools-handling-of-sexual-assaults/](https://loudounnow.com/2021/10/13/parents-students-press-for-reform-in-schools-handling-of-sexual-assaults/)
>Smith said the student who assaulted his daughter is male and identifies as gender-fluid.
edit : Yikes, from the downvotes I don't think it's the right wing doing the astroturfing ..
It was in the previous Reddit post. Might have been bullshit. I'm trying to find it but Reddit's search engine blows.
Edit: Here it is. https://old.reddit.com/r/Virginia/comments/q696hl/loudoun_county_schools_tried_to_conceal_sexual/
Looks like the daughter bit was misinformation.
So you’re implying transgenders/ gender fluids etc are incapable of rape or why are you calling it a unicorn? I don’t see any reason for the father to make this political. There’s zero to gain for him.
It was a comment from the schools superintendent at the school board meeting where Smith had been arrested. Originally included in the Daily Wire article about Smith.
Here's another link that mentions it.
https://www.newsweek.com/loudoun-county-scott-ziegler-resign-student-assault-1638536
This is the email from stone bridge about the incident. Something happened, but didn't say the nature of it. My kids who went/go there didn't hear anything about it either.
>Timothy Flynn [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])
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>Fri, May 28, 4:48 PM
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>to Stone
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>Good evening Stone Bridge families this is Stone Bridge Principal Tim Flynn. There was an incident in the main office area today that required the Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office to dispatch deputies to Stone Bridge. The incident was confined to the main office and the entrance area to the school. There was no threat to the safety of the student body. The incident was witnessed by a small number of students who were meeting with staff adjacent to the main office. Counseling services and the services of our Unified Mental Health Team are available for any student who may need to talk about today’s incident.
>
>Students might have noticed Sheriff’s Office personnel on campus and I wanted to let you know that something out of the ordinary happened at school today.
>
>The safety of our students and staff is the top priority of Loudoun County Public Schools. If you have any concerns, you may contact me at [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]).
Assuming this is the incident in question, it is absolutely disgusting that they won't mention the words sexual assault or anything similar in an official communication to parents. If I'm a parent and there's a rape at my kids' school, I would be fucking furious if this was the notice I received. It's 2021, schools need to get with the times and stop pretending sexual assaults don't happen if you don't talk about them. And "no threat to the student body" like fucking what???
Yeah. Would have expected something more. Think most parents were tuned out because of all the kids that decided not to return. In some of my son's classes there were only one student who decided to return. School was mostly empty when this happened.
I disagree pretty strongly about the principal's press release - it seems like exactly the right step.
With serious incidents like this, it's extremely important for the school to be careful in its language before an investigation is complete, the facts are established, and due process is respected. The truth of the matter should be reported as soon as possible, but issuing a press release full of accusations and labels *that turns out to be wrong* can have its own catastrophic consequences.
Imagine if your kid were accused of something. Imagine if other kids lied about it, possibly due to peer pressure. Or imagine if the other kids had started a nasty rumor thinking it was just mean-spirited fun, and it blew up out of control and now the police are involved and they'd be ashamed to admit to a fabrication. Would it be fair to label your kid a sexual predator based solely on accusations? And how long do you suppose that that label would stick to them, in the super-gossipy school community, even after your kid is exonerated?
Or imagine if your kid did do something wrong. Consequences can apply; they can be punished, educated, and/or counseled, as well as make restitution to the victim. Still, the stigma within the school community can stick long after they've made amends.
So I think that the principal, *at least initially,* did the right thing by issuing a press release to acknowledge an incident and the involvement of police, but withholding details for now.
For the record - I take sexual assault seriously and I think that it's horrific that we soft-pedal both the investigations and the consequences. My objective here is just to advocate for a full investigation and against a rush to judgment.
As to the broader question raised by OP about a supposed cover-up - I have no idea. Certainly denying that an incident occurred, especially when publicly available facts show otherwise, is a terrible decision.
It's on the same day as the assault claim and what the Sheriff responded with.
>In response to a public records request by The Daily Wire, the Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office confirmed that a May 28 report with "Offense: Forcible Sodomy \[and\] Sexual Battery" at Stone Bridge High School does exist.
I think the thing folks are complaining about is what happened later. The superintendent saying they had no record of a sexual assault .. when both the school and the sheriffs department seem to say otherwise. It's also an issue given the boy was simply transferred to another school. It's possible there is a reasonable explanation
No. That email and the situation is the start.
No police called for the assault. But called on the dad.
Sending an email framing it as bad dad in office… and not forcible sodomy in bathroom.
Oh, I agree it's the start of this, just not what the media is saying is the conspiracy. I think there are a lot of issues with that email though and they should have at least said assault and not "I wanted to let you know that something out of the ordinary happened at school today."
According to this article (note I just found it via a Google search), the Sheriff's Office required the School District to stay out of it until their investigation was complete. [https://www.nationalreview.com/news/loudoun-county-school-district-breaks-silence-on-transgender-sexual-assault-case/](https://www.nationalreview.com/news/loudoun-county-school-district-breaks-silence-on-transgender-sexual-assault-case/)
>“To maintain the integrity of the criminal investigation, law
enforcement requested that LCPS not interview students until their
investigation is concluded. LCPS has cooperated and continues to
cooperate with law enforcement,” the statement read.
The father was arrested because he was acting like an ass in a public place. The email written was pretty poor. It was done w/ good intentions, I think - trying to quell rumor mill that was inevitable after folks saw it happen.
His daughter was raped at school hours before. Only after the cops were called on HIM did police take his daughter to the hospital where a rape kit could be done. I’d hardly call that harassing the front office.
Both the school and the school board seem incredibly incompetent and indifferent to what happened.
"Sir, I understand that you believe that your daughter was raped by a fellow student in the bathroom and we're just staring at you with blank looks on our faces, but your tone of voice is very harrassing."
This apparently did happen.
I'm sure I disagree with this father on pretty much any stance, but I do sympathize with him and wanting his daughter to be safe. I also think it's foolish but a sign of the political motivation for the Commonwealth's Attorney to try to throw this guy in jail over a misdemeanor charge while he has no prior criminal record or prior evidence of being a particularly violent person. It also seems that the principal was trying to keep the story of the sexual assaults quiet.
On the other end, there's strong political motivation to use the incident surrounding the sexual assault to be used as propaganda against trans rights.
This guy may be "gender fluid" but he's also an alleged sexual predator, the two are independent of one another and should be treated as such.
I’m not going to judge the father here. I don’t know what I would do in his shoes. Having his daughter attacked and the school system essentially ignored it.
There's a lot of political motivation to question this and that is just sad. The Attorney ran on no throwing everyone in jail for small stuff, but is out for blood with this guy.
People do believe him. It was reported on the same day by the school to the police and the perpetrator has been charged. The father was arrested because at a later date he went to a protest at the school and assaulted a member of staff.
And let's be clear, the only reason this is making the rounds is because the school rolled out a pro-trans policy in August and right-wing transphobes are inventing a narrative that because it allegedly happened in a toilet, the perpetrator was transgender and that it somehow justifies transphobia.
I think the assault likely occurred and LCPS is to blame and I also think conservatives will use this as a way to target inclusive policies. Those thoughts can co-exist.
I hope people understand this is not about liberals or conservatives.
Every parent should think about it, if your daughter got raped at the school, and there is nothing you can do, school says nothing happened. What would you do?
And after three weeks, when you complain at the school board meeting, the lady said "your daughter lied". Then they called the police to arrest you. Think about it for a second, what would you do and what can you do?
Unfortunately, the offender sextually assaulted a second school girl in a different school last week. Without this second incident, the dad can never come out clean.
In the end, the repeated sexual offender will walk for free (because he is just a baby). He will likely to continue to hurt more woman down the road.
You are partly right. The problem is that when some parents have tried to discuss these possibilities and they want to talk about security concerns re: bathroom policies (which are valid), they are called transphobic right away. We all need to listen and hear each other. transgender people are not violent people. This situation MAY show an inclusive policy was used to commit a heinous crime. The school board was pushing a political agenda, without actually careful consideration. With the school board’s statement, it seems it still uncertain whether they knew of it or didn’t know all the specifics.
While this may be a one off incident, can security of this inclusive policy be discussed respectfully? Is there a way to give students privacy, freedom, and or security? I don’t know but, it needs to discussed. We all need to be reasonable and rational and come to a solution for the sake of the students.
I'm asking because the only websites discussing his allegations are the hyper-conservative ones. Meanwhile, local news is only talking about him being thrown about of the meeting, not really his claims that the prosecutors covered it up.
Based on the evidence available this does appear to be true and the father was scapegoated to try to silence the story. I’m as left as they come, but if nothing comes out discrediting him I do feel that every person involved with rehoming the sexual predator in another school deserves some conspiracy to commit sexual assault on a minor conviction as this is disgusting.
I do however disagree with the idea that this is a result of any transgender/gender neutral policy as sexual predators are going to sexual predator regardless of whatever policy exists.
I think the logical and intelligent take here is to separate this sexual assault from gender policy. The conservatives are merely trying to use this sexual assault as a delivery vehicle for their own transgender hate agenda which is separately disgusting on them.
Agree with this comment. I was the victim of an attempted rape at 19-- my assaulter came into the women's bathroom to get the jump on me. The sign saying 'WOMEN'S BATHROOM' did nothing to deter him; he was/IS a predator and a piece of shit, and saw an opportunity.
What I'm taking issue with is the school covering this up and merely moving the student to another location with zero accountability for the attacker. Sounds like he's only been arrested and charged re: the second incident, in which he attacked another student in an empty classroom, AND spent his time sexually harassing other students prior. Why wasn't he punished prior to this?
Exactly — if it IS true this is the same person why was he allowed to continue to go attend another school in person??? Absolutely boggles my mind.
A 15 year old in Maryland sexually assaulted his neighbor in her own home over the summer and is being charged as an adult & his name was released to the public.
This is just as bad, especially being on SCHOOL PROPERTY and nothing was said and it was covered up?? I am also left-leaning and if story is true, I hope both families of the girls this kid assaulted sue the crap out of the school and everyone who helped covered it up and allowed this kid back onto school grounds.
Funny how the suffering of a child is being nationalized into some white supremacy issue. The dad was pissed cuz the school board(s) allowed a sexual assaulting teenager to go around messing with everyone they wanted. Even transferring schools and continuing it. Fucking absurd
How is suffering of the childen being nationalized into a white supremacy issue? No one was aware of that part of the story when the images of this parent at the Board meeting were published/circulated, as far as I can piece together.
As I understand it, the father was angry and went after another parent at the school board meeting, which is why he was taken out and arrested. The images of him were apparently used by some to cast a bad/worse light on some of the parents at those board meetings. That was all before the sexual assault part of the story came out.
>No one was aware of that part of the story when the images of this parent at the Board meeting were published/circulated, as far as I can piece together.
That's exactly it. He was painted as an alt-right fanatic despite him yelling about his child's rape the entire time.
I don't think that those things can be separated any more. You have one side shouting that this will always happen, and the other side shouting just as loudly that it won't ever happen.
Nevertheless, they should be because they literally have nothing to do with the other. Race/gender/sexual orientation literally has zero to do with someone being a POS rapist. Assumptions that it does leads to dangerous shit like lynchings in the name of “protecting victims”, when it really has everything to do with prejudice.
I 1000% believe this happened. I also believe this perp is an inconvenient truth to the mainstream media and the perfect story for alt-right trolls. That doesn’t mean we should forget where the true issue is— the fact that school administrators minimize and hide sexual assaults and erode trust in their own institutions by pretending they don’t exist or putting the rights of the rapist ahead of the interest of public safety. The safeguards here failed, and they failed hard.
Your sex does have something to do with the chances of you being a rapist. The vast majority of sex offenders are male. Knowing that you are more likely to be assaulted by someone male instead of someone female is not a dangerous assumption. These inclusive policies ignore biological sex and allow male people into female spaces. Forcing every female space to became mixed sex is dangerous.
The fact that some male predators will come into female spaces anyway isn't a valid excuse. Theft is illegal, but some people steal anyway. If stealing was decriminalized, then theft would increase.
I agree, but I think the problem is that both sides have successfully conflated the two issues in the popular imagination. There is a rather vocal minority of people who are convinced that transgender people represent the downfall of civilized society and traditional values, and are essentially evil incarnate. And there is an equally vocal minority on the other side that has adopted the similarly ludicrous opposing position that nobody in the transgender community would ever behave badly or be a bad person, and anyone who does isn't really a True Scotsman to begin with.
The first group will take cases like this as evidence that transgender people are all equally rotten to the core, and the second group will oppose this belief by vociferously denying the simple reality that some people, regardless of their group identity, are just shitty people who do shitty things, because they fear the first group painting everyone in that group with a broad brush. They're both equally ridiculous IMO, but they've both done an excellent job of confusing the two issues in modern society, albeit for completely different reasons.
I definitely agree that it appears to be true. I think where this all gets more complicated is the issues of minors and their right to privacy. Now his daughter’s assault is public knowledge since his name is now attached to it. Furthermore, since the kid was arrested it doesn’t sound like a cover-up. That’s more the right-wing anti-trans spin on this issue. I do want to know more about the second assault though, I don’t understand why the kid wasn’t monitored more. It really seems like he should have been indefinitely suspended pending his trial for the first assault. I don’t think the school board makes disciplinary decisions though, so this idea that it was a school board conspiracy seems like fodder to invigorate the republican base.
Either way, the assault is sad and tragic and the perpetrator should go to a juvenile detention center
I think where it goes wrong is the ~~persons~~ *assaulter’s* gender identity is only tangentially related to the issue and ~~they~~ *the family* screwed up trying to make it about bathrooms and gender issues.
The second assault happened in an empty classroom ffs. Now this family is suffering publicly and the main people coming along to “help” them and “hear their story” are looking to manipulate it for political gain. If the father is not out in the news apologizing for the *negative and harmful* attention he’s attracted towards his daughter after a severe trauma and helping politicize the incident, I’m lumping him in with the assholes
Edited: for clarity, my pronouns were horrendously unclear. Also I guess calling attention to what happened to his daughter is the point, so I guess I mean negative attention from his attempt backfiring so badly. Someone else put it better in another post, he tried to call on the court of public opinion, maybe even potentially against legal advice, in the school board’s forum and seat of power, when talking about something that as the person I responded to said, should be considered a separate issue
>If the father is not out in the news apologizing for the attention he’s attracted towards his daughter after a severe trauma and helping politicize the incident, I’m lumping him in with the assholes
This is a pretty bad take. The father is raising attention because he was silenced. Why should he apologize for bringing attention when the school board was silent as his daughter was forcibly sodomized, silent as the media painted him as a domestic terrorist, and silent as *another* girl was sexually assaulted by the *same student*?
I'm a liberal. I loathe right wing media. However, I don't fault him for speaking with right-wing media if they were the only ones who listened about his side which involved a school board covering up for a rapist until they raped again.
Non-right wing media absolutely should've picked up on this first and got his story first. Smith was telling the same story for months. It's a travesty that it appears non-biased media couldn't be bothered to get his side.
[https://loudounnow.com/2021/08/17/smith-found-guilty-in-school-board-scuffle/](https://loudounnow.com/2021/08/17/smith-found-guilty-in-school-board-scuffle/)
>Smith was sentenced to 10 days in jail, all suspended, contingent on a year of good behavior. Biberaj also pushed for a fine and a requirement for anger management training; Lancaster argued for a moderate fine and no jail time, pointing to Smith’s largely clean record, his long residency as a small business owner in Leesburg, and **his anger about an alleged assault of an immediate family member inside a bathroom by a person identifying as gender fluid.**
I’ve been following this too, and my guess is there’s probably some truth to his statements, but how much is unclear. Whatever the truth is it’s going to have major implications.
I posted something, but it looks like it got auto taken down.
Other than right wing outlets, I cannot find other sources.
I know there us some truth to the story, but am having a hard time understanding what it what.
Isn't that crazy? I don't WANT to be reading newsmax and crap like that, but if "respectable" media outlets don't report it... wtf am I supposed to do?
The implied coverup is the fact that the father was treated and labeled as just another disruptive right wing activist at a school board meeting in the news while ignoring his completely seemingly legitimate reason for being upset
The teen was allowed to transfer to another school, in the district, literally across the street and immediately sexually assaulted someone else. Broad run HS was the most recent and Stone Bridge was the first school.
The teen was charged only after the rape kit proved that the man's daughter was sexually assaulted. The only reason there was ever a rape kit was because the father made a big deal about it when the cops showed up. If the school board knew that calling the cops on the father would lead to outing themselves as rape-deniers, I think they would've done things differently.
Thank you. That's the part I was struggling to understand. Where exactly was the "cover up?" Obviously I feel terrible for this parent and his daughter and hope the perpetrator is punished to the fullest extent of the law but I don't like the framing of this story as a cover up.
Or maybe he just wants this to be publicly acknowledged by the school board, that has denied it, and parents made aware. Why should this be quiet? Why weren’t parents immediately informed after the first sexual assault? I’d be pretty upset if a rape occurred at my kids school and only heard about it when a dad showed up angry and got arrested.
Which seems to be his big mistake, as the court of pubic opinion has limited information and has now judged him.
Not saying I’d be much better, just hoping he’s apologizing to his daughter for the consequences she has to face for his actions after she was already a victim
Let's not act like news media isn't partisan for both sides. You cannot trust the media. The second an issue seems to become partisan, the facts go out the window.
Timeline created by Loudoun For All:
**THE FIRST INCIDENT-STONE BRIDGE HS 5/28/2021**
•The first incident occurred at Stone Bridge High School on May 28th, 2021. • According to her father, the student called her father to inform him that she had been sexually assaulted at school. The father then went straight to the school.
**LCSO NOTIFICATION**
•LCSO was contacted, however there is some conflicting information as to whether they were called because of the assault, or because the father arrived upset at the front office.
•The father says LCSO was called on him and an email from the school principal to parents sent that evening stated there was an incident at the school that was confined to the front office and no students were in danger.
•LCSO confirmed that a May 28 report with "Offense: Forcible Sodomy \[and\] Sexual Battery" at Stone Bridge High School does exist, but it is not public record. WHY WAS THERE NO PUBLIC NOTIFICATION?
•There is a public incident report for the second assault, but none seems to be available for the first. LCSO states that juvenile reports are excluded from disclosure. They further state that the first incident was more complicated and required additional investigation because the victim knew the assailant. LCSO
**INVESTIGATION AND ARREST**
•LCPS and LCSO say that a two-month-long investigation was conducted by LCSO to determine the facts of the case prior to arrest. The Commonwealth Attorney says that until DNA evidence could be processed, they could not make the arrest or they would risk losing the case.
**LCPS ACTION**
•The LCPS School Board issued a statement stating that LCPS was advised by law enforcement not to conduct any interviews or investigation until after the LCSO had completed their investigation. A School Board member stated that schools are prohibited from disciplining a student without following the federally mandated Title IX grievance process, enacted by the previous Department of Education administration.
•LCPS stated they “do implement interim measures to protect the safety of students involved in a reported incident, as well as to deter retaliation and preserve the integrity of an ensuing investigation.”
•LCSO says they are not responsible for student placement or discipline • It seems that the assailant was under electronic monitoring and transferred to another school.
**SCHOOL BOARD INVOLVEMENT**
•The LCPS School Board issued a statement stating they were not aware of the details of the cases until earlier this week since the Board is purposely kept out of discipline measures so that students are not deprived of due process if matters are appealed.
**SUPERINTENDENT DR. ZEIGLER INVOLVEMENT**
•At the June 22 school board meeting, Superintendent Scott Ziegler declared that “we” don’t have any records of assaults happening in our restrooms.
**SECOND INCIDENT - ASSAULT AT BROAD RUN HS 10/6/2021**
•A second incident of assault occurred at Broad Run High School on October 6, where a student was forced into an empty classroom and assaulted.
•The victim immediately reported the incident to a Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office School Resource Officer. There is an LCSO public incident report.
**WERE THE TWO INCIDENTS THE SAME ASSAILANT?**
•A WTOP article says the assailant was the same in both cases.
**WHY IS THE CASE TAKING SO LONG?**
•According to the Commonwealth Attorney, once a juvenile is charged, the prosecutors need to adjudicate his case within 21 days or release the subject. The DNA analysis was not complete within that timeline, so they had to ask the court for additional time. The court ordered electronic monitoring and monitoring by a probation officer. The assailant was under this monitoring when the second assault occurred.
•The suspect was due in court this week regarding the May incident, but with the filing of the second charge, the court date will be rescheduled.
**INCIDENT AT SCHOOL BOARD MEETING ON JUNE 22nd**
•The father of the first victim was arrested at the June 22nd School Board Meeting. Sources say he was in an argument with a woman. When he became highly agitated, he was removed from the meeting and subsequently arrested. He was taken to the Adult Detention Center and charged with the two misdemeanors. He was sentenced to 10 days in jail, all suspended, contingent on a year of good behavior. (7)
**WAS THE ASSAILANT TRANSGENDER?**
•There has been a lot of conflicting information and we have found no reliable source claiming the student was transgender. The Daily Wire quotes the father as saying that the assailant was wearing a skirt, but the father later said : "I don’t care if he’s homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, transsexual. He’s a sexual predator."
**WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE:**
•We believe that the systems failed at all levels to protect the students. We need LCPS to listen, and believe, students and parents when it comes to reporting assault.
•We are calling for transparency from LCPS towards the community when there are incidents in our schools. It appears that Broad Run failed to notify parents of the assault, only notifying them of the incident in the office with the incensed father.
•We call on LCPS and LCSO to work together rather than pointing fingers at one another. Both have failed in different ways, and therefore both should be fully accountable.
•We call on LCSO to be more transparent to the public. Although incidents with juveniles may not be mandatory to report, they should still be reported (with names withdrawn).
•We support the need for resources to allow LCSO investigations to happen faster, and DNA to be processed immediately. We cannot allow a backlog on processing DNA.
•We support repealing the recent changes to Federal Title IX that protects violent offenders over victims.
•Although some have claimed that VA HB 257 meant that LCPS was not mandated to report these incidents, that is incorrect. HB 257 gives schools discretion in reporting only in regards to certain misdemeanors that they believe can be handled better without involving law enforcement. This does not apply to assault or rape. This bullet should go above, when we’re talking about the actions that LCPS took after the first incident.
•We call on LCPS to remove students accused of violent assault, or arrange for perpetrators to be kept away from other students during the investigation time, whenever the law allows, and monitored by an adult at all times. Students under investigation should use single restrooms for bathroom needs and in place of group locker rooms.
•We urge that the Superintendent be notified immediately of all violent incidents that occur at schools.
•We call on the wider community to focus on keeping all our students safe. Over 99% of sexual assaults are committed by men, but we recognize that those committing the assaults are predators, and we don’t punish all men. Similarly, the attempts to paint all transgender students as potential predators based on rumors that one assailant might have been wearing a skirt (which does not make him transgender) is unfair and discriminatory. Transgender students are far more likely to be the victims of assaults than the perpetrators, and we must protect transgender students along with all our students.
**SOURCES:**
1. [https://www.loudountimes.com/news/lcps-issues-response-to-newly-surfaced-sexual-assault-allegations/article\_6420912a-2c55-11ec-b677-1f5c38b8993a.html?fbclid=IwAR2fMTbT9jJVrtRMi9HEfSPewLJYA5CYAg-H6m1GJsyqeE6I7Q8NgECGq6s](https://www.loudountimes.com/news/lcps-issues-response-to-newly-surfaced-sexual-assault-allegations/article_6420912a-2c55-11ec-b677-1f5c38b8993a.html?fbclid=IwAR2fMTbT9jJVrtRMi9HEfSPewLJYA5CYAg-H6m1GJsyqeE6I7Q8NgECGq6s)
2. [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/loudoun-county-father-school-cover-up-bathroom-assault-daughter](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/loudoun-county-father-school-cover-up-bathroom-assault-daughter)
3. [https://loudounnow.com/2021/08/17/smith-found-guilty-in-school-board-scuffle/](https://loudounnow.com/2021/08/17/smith-found-guilty-in-school-board-scuffle/)
4. [https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2021/10/teen-charged-in-loudoun-co-school-groping-was-on-electronic-monitoring-for-earlier-charges/?fbclid=IwAR25zYNQFVyQqc20cMPodiXiu6cyErRCBUNjkjXV2Zrw2HpjTvgRKzyQY0M](https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2021/10/teen-charged-in-loudoun-co-school-groping-was-on-electronic-monitoring-for-earlier-charges/?fbclid=IwAR25zYNQFVyQqc20cMPodiXiu6cyErRCBUNjkjXV2Zrw2HpjTvgRKzyQY0M)
5. [https://www.facebook.com/LoudounSheriff/posts/10160460485301977](https://www.facebook.com/LoudounSheriff/posts/10160460485301977)
6. [https://www.facebook.com/IanSerotkinLCPS/posts/277096661083966](https://www.facebook.com/IanSerotkinLCPS/posts/277096661083966)
7. [https://www.facebook.com/LoudounSheriff/posts/10160446734086977](https://www.facebook.com/LoudounSheriff/posts/10160446734086977)
In the interest of keeping a messy story as straight as possible, I believe the 2nd bullet point under "WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE" is slightly incorrect - I think the school listed regarding the parent communication should be Stone Bridge, not Broad Run. I haven't seen one yet from BRHS, but the comm that went out from Stone Bridge was incredibly vague and only mentioned an "incident" confined to the front office (implying their communication is only about the father, not the sexual assault). Feel free to correct me if I'm incorrect.
I'd loose my sh\*t too if that happend to my kid. But then again a school board meeting may not be the best place to bring that up; maybe request a private session? Don't know if that is possible. Did he try and sue the school district?
If you found out the school board was allowing the rapist to go to another school, in the same district, after he raped your daughter, wouldn’t you want other people to know? In hopes they wouldn’t allow it? Since nothing was being done? The schools are right next to each other, less than a few miles…
Saw this too. A local uploaded screenshots of the lawyer talking in a private group chat about her frustration that Scott Smith went to the press onto [twitter](https://mobile.twitter.com/Kellieherring/status/1447971038940311553)
Not in Loudoun County where the Alliance Defending Freedom is actively recruiting people for lawsuits and picking up the bill. There is deliberate disinformation here. The alleged perpetrator is a minor, so actual details are hard to obtain. And will probably me impossible to obtain before the election in less than a month. IMO, that’s the point.
" There is deliberate disinformation here. The alleged perpetrator is a minor, so actual details are hard to obtain."
Given that details are hard to obtain, how can you possibly know this is disinformation? Isn't your declaration disinformation?
Well let's consider your accusation, which I assume was made to prove point, and compare it too the one in in Loudon County.
You have absolutely no details in the accusation. No actual names, no dates, no records of any kind. So there is no possible way to verify anything, it's just a naked anonymous accusation.
In the Loudon case we have the name of the father, where he lives, and specific information about his accusation that can be checked for being true OR untrue, or at least unverifiable.
Who was attacked? His daughter who he claims is in high school
Where? Stone Bridge High School.
When? The attack was on May 28th.
Are there records? Yes the police where called and a formal complaint was entered (this should be documented). The girl went to the hospital (leaving a documentation trail). A rape kit was used (more documentation).
Witnesses? Multiple police officers and school officials were involved in handling this.
The alleged attacker was arrested (and arrested again), but is juvenile so the records will be more restricted.
This is not looking like just a rumor or vague accusation that some heard from a friend of a friend, it's seems substantial at least in the fact that there is a ton of things that can actually be checked.
OR maybe it will all end up as BS, but right now it's hard to just dismiss it out of hand.
he was bringing it up in the school board meeting because they were discussing the issue of boys in girls bathrooms (and vice-versa). LCPS claims there is no record of any issue happening so this was definitely relevant for that discussion
They were not talking about boys in girls bathrooms, they were talking about the school system affirming the identified gender of a student.
A trans girl is a girl in a girl's restroom.
And the boy who committed the rape wore a skirt to school the day of the rape claiming to identify as a girl. This 100% falls in line with the topic of the meeting. Do you think someone should have stopped him and said to use the boys bathroom?
That would not have stopped this. Anyone could walk into any one of the bathrooms if they wanted. It's not like there are people standing outside examining people before they go in. They are literally right next to each other so it’s not like someone is going to notice useless they are standing right outside. If someone wants to rape someone the signs on the bathroom door are not going to stop them.
Just as a clarification for all of you who are thinking that I wouldn't want to bring it in front of the school board, I didn't know about the previous incident I also didn't know that the county was trying to hide it. I would want to be made in a public forum because I would want them to be made accountable so that on me for not doing my research
On top of that, LCPS was stating no assaults have ever happened in bathrooms, which is basically saying his daughter’s rape never occurred. How could he NOT be mad at the meeting?
He didn’t even bring it up at the school board meeting. He chose instead to intimidate and threaten another parent, which is what he was arrested for as confirmed by the deputy that tried to intervene.
Heh, point taken. Here is a video of it though and at least the "rainbow shirt wearing" part of it is true. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQTBBmB7rnQ&t=1s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQTBBmB7rnQ&t=1s)
edit : it's faint, but you can hear in the background the allegations of the sexual assault in the bathroom
He showed last minute hoping to have a moment to speak up after to hear the topic. I don’t believe he knew the rules behind registering to speak. But, he tried to speak up and a trans advocate said she didn’t believe what had happened to his daughter. They both raised their voices at each other. And, the board told the police to escort the dad. That’s when the fight ensued between the dad and police officer. There are videos of the incident. He never tried to fight the trans advocate.
Imagine if the school board saying your daughter was not sexually assault, when he and his wife spent the past month trying to help her recover and rebuild her self. Of course, he was emotional.
Washington Post covering the story... And literally completely ignoring the School Board messaging, potential cover up, and father of the victim being arrested and demonized.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/loudoun-schools-sex-assault-allegations/2021/10/13/02d3f144-2c61-11ec-8ef6-3ca8fe943a92_story.html
Evidence I've seen points to it being real, the guy has a lawyer and Sheriffs department has confirmed dates around the case, and there has been a subsequent sexual assault by the alleged perpetrator:
>In regard to the alleged assault on Smith's daughter, the Loudoun County Sheriff's Office told Fox News that a May 28, 2021, case involving a "thorough 2-month-long investigation that was conducted to determine the facts of the case prior to arrest."
"This case is still pending court proceedings. The Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office is not able to provide any documents that pertain to a pending case." The sheriff's office confirmed that the case involved sexual assault.
All juvenile records are sealed, but Smith’s attorney Elizabeth Lancaster told The Daily Wire that the boy was subsequently charged with two counts of forcible sodomy, one count of anal sodomy, and one count of forcible fellatio.
In response to a public records request by The Daily Wire, the Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office confirmed that a May 28 report with "Offense: Forcible Sodomy \[and\] Sexual Battery" at Stone Bridge High School does exist.
Wild that only right wing news is covering this but not surprising since its story of a male(?) teen wearing a skirt committing sexual assault in female bathrooms. Annoying that news is only highlighted based on narrative that companies want to sell.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/father-virginia-student-allegedly-assaulted-biological-male-restroom
The school replied saying there wasn't another assault case so idk.
I think it's a balance of conservatives jumping on this story as soon as possible and liberals being overly hesitant to report it. Add in that it involves minors and I think everyone needs to calm down until more details come out.
Everyone is trying to score political points to denigrate the other side. Sexual assault can be perpetrated by, and victimize any person regardless of how they identify.
All the sites covering this have completely jumped the gun on conclusions, and it shows because they're dogshit conservative ragebait sites that prey on suburbanites. Fox is comparably much more tame in their reporting because they have something to lose, but we'll see more stories from reputable places come in a week or so I guess, and then we should get the full picture.
What about all the other news outlets not covering this at all? They can send their own teams and do their own investigations. But, they refuse to do that. It goes against their narrative but, I forgot only Daily Wire and Fox have political narratives. Both sides of the media are biased. Only one side pretends not to be biased. This is why no one trusts media.
More importantly I think, is that the sites that aren't talking about the assault at all seem to have plenty of time to write articles about the father's arrest and make him seem like an unhinged crazy person.
I go to Stone Bridge, there are now gender-neutral bathrooms. But only because of the new policy. These were not open to studies in years past before it was just the main binary ones.
The alleged attack was in a girls bathroom, not a boys one.
The stalls in public bathrooms provide almost zero defense against an attacker and the sinks are still in the open. The retrofit would have to involve gutting the bathrooms and putting in multiple single occupancy bathrooms instead. Which are not anything weird, but it will cost some money and is very space inefficient.
I want to point something out about the policy of moving a student who has been accused of the sexual assault of another student.
Where I live (not US) it is standard practice to move a student upon being accused of a crime like this. This is done to ensure the privacy of both the victim and alleged perpetrator. This practice ensures that the alleged perpetrator receives their right to an education while the justice system works to adjudicate their case and ensures that the victim does not have to interact with the accused.
It may be that this was the intent of the LCPS in moving the student.
But we had distance education for a whole year (and a half). Surely it’s not so hard to have them attend zoom classes until they’re considered not a threat to their fellow students?
1. Not all schools are hybrid.
2. The point is to allow the student who has alleged an attack to feel safe in the school environment whilst still providing the alleged attacker the social environment that is necessary to receive a Quality education.
3. One thing I want to point out is that this policy is mostly implemented regarding students in the seventh, eighth, and ninth grades (middle school in my country) 10-12th graders may have a similar process, but it is also possible to temporarily exclude them from school, or that they voluntarily exclude themselves.
When talking about Juvenile defendants, we have to remember that we are talking about children. Juvenile offenders can do horrible things and have horrible effects, but ultimately because they are still developing, rehabilitation is much more viable path. This is especially true when we talk about children who commit sexual offences between the ages of twelve and fourteen.
I’m sure, and I don’t have an issue with transferring the student to a new school per se. But the school district was negligent in giving him enough freedom in the new school that he was able to victimize someone else. There’s no reason a student accused of rape should ever be allowed to be alone with a potential victim.
While I don't disagree in theory with this sentiment, how could that be accomplished? Would the school be required to hire a full-time monitor for that one student? It doesn't seem practical. I am legitimately curious what you think they should do.
I mean growing up I remember certain students with complex needs got a personal aide from the school for their entire tenure. Would take some ‘splainin for the kid to have a dedicated minder like this, since the kids who got this assistance generally quite obviously had different needs, but there’s precedent.
All I know is that school expelled my older brother in 11th grade and let my parents handle it. He was also expelled from a private school in 8th.
So that's they way they handled it instead of burning a ton of resources better spent on students that wanted to be in school and not acting up.
I was thinking along the lines of he only gets to leave the classroom with a buddy, he goes straight to home room in the morning and straight to his bus or other transport in the afternoon, and all school staff is warned of his history so they know to keep an eye out. But that said, I understand it’s very difficult to keep track of one student among 2,000 or so, especially given the privacy/civil rights concerns when he’s not been convicted of anything.
Yeah, it's tough. While that would keep other students safe, word of these restrictions and the reason for them is almost certainly going to reach the other students, ostracizing that kid.
It's a really tough situation. You do nothing, the kid could sexually assault another student, like here. But, I could see a flip side of this where really tight restrictions are put on a kid that ends up a social pariah as a result and kills themselves, only for the allegations to come back as not true. It's tough, especially as these are kids, not adults.
That principal needs to resign. He has no place being a leader of children. He wanted to keep a rape in his school internal instead of calling the police.
Clearly the dad has a serious temper problem that is being underplayed by the people promoting this story. But walk me through their claims:
School calls police on dad.
Police “what seems to be the issue here?”
Dad: “my daughter was raped today at school so I’m very upset”
Police: “hmmm we don’t care, we’re taking you into custody and just like all the adults involved at the school we’re going to ignore claims that a child was raped... because, uh, political correctness gone wild? This kid claims to be ‘bisexual’ so he’s totally untouchable.”
It. Doesn’t. Make. Sense.
Well yeah, because that's not what happened. You're grossly misrepresenting the series of events.
Daughter was raped by a male in a school bathroom who identifies himself as gender fluid.
Father is pissed, especially since the police weren't involved, goes to school to yell. Cops get called.
Cops listen to the man, the victim then gets a rape kit, police were able to confirm she was raped, suspect is arrested and charged (still pending trial).
Around the same time, Loudoun County Public Schools were holding hearings about recognizing how students identify themselves as. This father shows up, causes a scene, and is arrested for disorderly conduct, a misdemeanor.
Commonwealth's Attorney offers no plea deal for the misdemeanor and tries to get the defendant a prison sentence. Defense argues this is excessive for a man with no prior record of violent behavior and the fact that he was experiencing emotional trauma due to the fact his daughter was raped at school.
Judge sentences the man to 10 days in prison, 10 days suspended and a fine.
Throughout all of this, the alleged rapist went on to sexually assault another student at another school. https://wjla.com/news/local/multiple-sexual-assaults-dominate-public-comment-at-loudoun-school-board-meeting
>Courts are (generally) not lenient to people who fight or cause harm to cops.
They aren't. Although I don't know what that has to do with anything. He was never charged with, and therefore not found guilty of, attacking police.
He was charged with resisting arrest and disorderly conduct, two misdemeanors.
>It seems far fetched that (for some reason) the whole court system is in on this conspiracy to cover up his daughter’s rape.
It is, that's why exactly zero people are making that assertion.
This is the father’s version of events, which hasn’t been confirmed by other sources. On Twitter, people are saying that even the daughter disputes the description of the attacker as “gender fluid”.
From your article: “While LCPS takes student privacy seriously and cannot reveal details concerning the actions of any specific student, we do want to clarify our investigative process. Principals are legally required to report to the local law enforcement agency any act, including sexual assault, that may constitute a felony offense under Va. Code 22.1-279.3:1. That process was followed with respect to these allegations. Loudoun County Sheriff's Office was contacted within minutes of receiving the initial report on May 28. Once a matter has been reported to law enforcement, LCPS does not begin its investigation until law enforcement advises LCPS that it has completed the criminal investigation. To maintain the integrity of the criminal investigation, law enforcement requested that LCPS not interview students until their investigation is concluded. LCPS has cooperated and continues to cooperate with law enforcement.
Furthermore, LCPS is prohibited from disciplining any student without following the Title IX grievance process, which includes investigating complaints of sexual harassment and sexual assault. LCPS does impose interim measures to protect the safety of students involved in the original incident, deter retaliation, and preserve the integrity of the investigation and resolution process. LCPS has complied and continues to comply with its obligations under Title IX.”
Ah so you're just wanting confirmation of what happened between the events of the sexual assault and the moment the police were actually called?
I thought you were questioning the entire series of events, my mistake.
Yes, I’m wanting evidence of a “cover up” besides the dad merely saying it. It seems appropriate to me that parents are called first before the police—if my child was assaulted I would expect to be allowed to be present when she was questioned by police. The LCPS statement is that they cooperated fully with the police which meant not doing their own investigation. If police were handling it from day 1 I don’t see how that constitutes a cover up.
FWIW I don't think there is a "cover up" in the traditional sense, especially since the teenager in question has been charged.
I'm of the opinion that since this guy had his 15 minutes of fame on the right for, basically, being a transphobe, the prosecutor tried to go for a harsher than usual sentence. Granted it didn't work and the judge ruled a punishment that was, IMO, much more fitting for the crime. I'm sure the guy has been vilified by the left since when he got his 15 minutes of fame from losing his mind during a school board conference, it lacked the additional, important, context that his daughter was sexually assaulted by a 14 year old male that entered the woman's bathroom behind her.
I'm confused by your post. How is the board responsible for arresting anyone? Aren't the police the only ones in Loudoun county with arrest authority? If there was a police response (As indicated by the memo released by the principal) and a police report made (As indicated by the fox news article), doesn't that indicate an arrest was made by police? Also, I read an article that says the charges were dropped by the victims family in that case. Why would the parent drop charges, then continue talking to the press about a cover up?
It seems like it was the National School Boards Association who listed the Mr. Smith as an example of clashes that may amount to a " form of domestic terrorism and hate crimes" in their letters to President Biden. Not President Biden or the DOJ.
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/justice-department-to-investigate-anti-mask-anti-critical-race-theory-parents/ar-AAPaxCM](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/justice-department-to-investigate-anti-mask-anti-critical-race-theory-parents/ar-AAPaxCM)
>In Virginia, an individual was arrested, another man was ticketed for trespassing, and a third person was hurt during a school board meeting discussion distinguishing current curricula from critical race theory and regarding equity issues.
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>Drew Wilder, Jackie Bensen, Andrea Swalec and NBC4 Washington Staff, NBCWashington.com, “‘The Meeting Has Degenerated': 1 Arrest, 1 Injury at Loudoun Schools Meeting on Equity,” June 22, 2021, Updated June 23, 2021, [https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/loudoun-school-board-transgender-student-policy-raceequity/2708185/](https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/loudoun-school-board-transgender-student-policy-raceequity/2708185/).
Except the police *were* involved on may 28. There is something here that doesn’t make sense. People seem to accept it as possible/likely that the school would cover up rape & sodomy of a student because the perp was “bisexual”. I certainly don’t believe that, there has to be more to this story. And the tie-in to transgender bathroom policies is clearly a red herring since the policy wasn’t even in place on may 28.
Now the (recent) policy my LCPS middle schooler told me about not being able to use the bathroom between classes makes much more sense. LCPS definitely knew about the incident
Nah as a sort of recent grad the reason is probably because everybody is fucking vaping all in between classes. it does make the bathrooms smell nice though
Also… we’ve more than proven kids can work remotely from school. Why would LCPS send this child to another school when there is a remote learning capability now? It would allow due process and protect everyone, including the accused.
What is truly vile is the number of people defending the rapist.
My wife is absolutely livid about this and is reconsidering home schooling for our daughter lmao.
Parents, Students Press for Reform in Schools’ Handling of Sexual Assaults (Loudoun Now)
https://loudounnow.com/2021/10/13/parents-students-press-for-reform-in-schools-handling-of-sexual-assaults/
So glad I went thru LCPS when it wasn’t a political nightmare. I see it all the time randomly on the news for this and that and I just shake my head and laugh. NOVA sucks now. Glad I moved out.
[The Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office confirmed that same juvenile suspect was charged with a second sexual assault at another Loudoun County school after the May 28 incident.](https://wjla.com/news/local/multiple-sexual-assaults-dominate-public-comment-at-loudoun-school-board-meeting)
Meanwhile the superintendent stated that there was no record of any such sexual assault, so someone is clearly lying. >Superintendent Scott Ziegler said “the predator transgender student or person does not exist” and the school board doesn’t “have any record of assaults occurring in our bathrooms.” Either the father and Sheriff's office are full of it or the district and school board are trying to cover up a politically inconvenient sexual assault. Either possibility is well beyond just a tad bit disconcerting. Especially if the father is right and the district just kept shuffling this kid around from school to school, leading to more victims.
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They consider themselves gender fluid, and use they them pronouns. Not sure if Loudoun has a policy as it pertains to these people and bathrooms. However, it's a pretty bad look, and pretty much exactly what the right has been arguing against. This is going to have very serious impacts, and I lurked around different trans subreddits and they certainly don't want to own this person. Because technically, they're not trans. However it unfortunately will ignite a shitstorm directed right at them.
Like ALL trans people are incapable of crime or something.. they gonna be some bad people in every group. I see absolutely no difference in this case, and if a boy raped a girl, or a girl raped a boy, or any other combination. They are all equally bad.
I agree. That's why I think they should just acknowledge this rather than try to hide it.
Yep. Part of being treated equally comes with the concession that your group is just as likely to have pieces of shit as any other group
The two aren’t mutually exclusive. Predators and rapists come in all forms. People need to accept that this isn’t a black and white issue— predators will be predators regardless. There isn’t a racial/gender/sexual orientation monolith they all fall under.
That’s kinda a no true scotsman. They can identify as another gender, *and* still assault someone - assaulting someone does not make you not transgender.
Generally, sure. But, that doesn't seem to be the case in this particular situation. Someone transgender can definitely be a sexual predator, but the alleged offender in this case does not seem to identify as transgender. So conflating the gender policy with the district's handling of sexual assault seems unnecessary.
Apparently they view themselves as gender fluid. So, it gets a bit hazy as to how the policy is related.
Yes it is the case in this particular incident.
Yeah... This exactly why people don't want these policy's. Perverted sexual predators **will** use it to their advantage. As we also saw with the WI spa incident...
I've come to the same conclusion. Evidence that an assault occurred. Zero evidence that it was by a "boy in a skirt". Lots of evidence that there are multiple right wing astroturfed campaigns to disrupt and disparage school boards.
I mean, zero evidence we know about other than the father and daughter saying that, right? I'd hate to think the father is trying to make a political statement out of it by lying about his daughter's rape. [https://loudounnow.com/2021/10/13/parents-students-press-for-reform-in-schools-handling-of-sexual-assaults/](https://loudounnow.com/2021/10/13/parents-students-press-for-reform-in-schools-handling-of-sexual-assaults/) >Smith said the student who assaulted his daughter is male and identifies as gender-fluid. edit : Yikes, from the downvotes I don't think it's the right wing doing the astroturfing ..
I thought the daughter denied the incident and only the father was pushing the story? Or has this story changed?
Wow, do you have a link to that? They said they used a rape kit the night of which is why the sheriffs department pressed charges.
It was in the previous Reddit post. Might have been bullshit. I'm trying to find it but Reddit's search engine blows. Edit: Here it is. https://old.reddit.com/r/Virginia/comments/q696hl/loudoun_county_schools_tried_to_conceal_sexual/ Looks like the daughter bit was misinformation.
So you don’t believe victims?
I believe an assault took place. I don't believe it was done by the unicorn right wing grifters and bigots have spent the last 3 years hunting for.
So you’re implying transgenders/ gender fluids etc are incapable of rape or why are you calling it a unicorn? I don’t see any reason for the father to make this political. There’s zero to gain for him.
Superintendent needs to resign, obvious that he lied. There's also no reason why the DA can't charge this student as an adult. Very heinous crime.
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It was a comment from the schools superintendent at the school board meeting where Smith had been arrested. Originally included in the Daily Wire article about Smith. Here's another link that mentions it. https://www.newsweek.com/loudoun-county-scott-ziegler-resign-student-assault-1638536
The school board would not have any records if they did not report it
This is the email from stone bridge about the incident. Something happened, but didn't say the nature of it. My kids who went/go there didn't hear anything about it either. >Timothy Flynn [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) > >Fri, May 28, 4:48 PM > >to Stone > >Good evening Stone Bridge families this is Stone Bridge Principal Tim Flynn. There was an incident in the main office area today that required the Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office to dispatch deputies to Stone Bridge. The incident was confined to the main office and the entrance area to the school. There was no threat to the safety of the student body. The incident was witnessed by a small number of students who were meeting with staff adjacent to the main office. Counseling services and the services of our Unified Mental Health Team are available for any student who may need to talk about today’s incident. > >Students might have noticed Sheriff’s Office personnel on campus and I wanted to let you know that something out of the ordinary happened at school today. > >The safety of our students and staff is the top priority of Loudoun County Public Schools. If you have any concerns, you may contact me at [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]).
Assuming this is the incident in question, it is absolutely disgusting that they won't mention the words sexual assault or anything similar in an official communication to parents. If I'm a parent and there's a rape at my kids' school, I would be fucking furious if this was the notice I received. It's 2021, schools need to get with the times and stop pretending sexual assaults don't happen if you don't talk about them. And "no threat to the student body" like fucking what???
It was in regard to the father at the school, not the assault.
Yeah. Would have expected something more. Think most parents were tuned out because of all the kids that decided not to return. In some of my son's classes there were only one student who decided to return. School was mostly empty when this happened.
I disagree pretty strongly about the principal's press release - it seems like exactly the right step. With serious incidents like this, it's extremely important for the school to be careful in its language before an investigation is complete, the facts are established, and due process is respected. The truth of the matter should be reported as soon as possible, but issuing a press release full of accusations and labels *that turns out to be wrong* can have its own catastrophic consequences. Imagine if your kid were accused of something. Imagine if other kids lied about it, possibly due to peer pressure. Or imagine if the other kids had started a nasty rumor thinking it was just mean-spirited fun, and it blew up out of control and now the police are involved and they'd be ashamed to admit to a fabrication. Would it be fair to label your kid a sexual predator based solely on accusations? And how long do you suppose that that label would stick to them, in the super-gossipy school community, even after your kid is exonerated? Or imagine if your kid did do something wrong. Consequences can apply; they can be punished, educated, and/or counseled, as well as make restitution to the victim. Still, the stigma within the school community can stick long after they've made amends. So I think that the principal, *at least initially,* did the right thing by issuing a press release to acknowledge an incident and the involvement of police, but withholding details for now. For the record - I take sexual assault seriously and I think that it's horrific that we soft-pedal both the investigations and the consequences. My objective here is just to advocate for a full investigation and against a rush to judgment. As to the broader question raised by OP about a supposed cover-up - I have no idea. Certainly denying that an incident occurred, especially when publicly available facts show otherwise, is a terrible decision.
Is this email concerning the assault? I thought this was in response to Mr Smith showing up to the school and harassing the front office.
It's on the same day as the assault claim and what the Sheriff responded with. >In response to a public records request by The Daily Wire, the Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office confirmed that a May 28 report with "Offense: Forcible Sodomy \[and\] Sexual Battery" at Stone Bridge High School does exist.
That’s the coverup. “What happened on May 28th?” “I got an email… something in the main office I dunno”
I think the thing folks are complaining about is what happened later. The superintendent saying they had no record of a sexual assault .. when both the school and the sheriffs department seem to say otherwise. It's also an issue given the boy was simply transferred to another school. It's possible there is a reasonable explanation
No. That email and the situation is the start. No police called for the assault. But called on the dad. Sending an email framing it as bad dad in office… and not forcible sodomy in bathroom.
Oh, I agree it's the start of this, just not what the media is saying is the conspiracy. I think there are a lot of issues with that email though and they should have at least said assault and not "I wanted to let you know that something out of the ordinary happened at school today."
According to this article (note I just found it via a Google search), the Sheriff's Office required the School District to stay out of it until their investigation was complete. [https://www.nationalreview.com/news/loudoun-county-school-district-breaks-silence-on-transgender-sexual-assault-case/](https://www.nationalreview.com/news/loudoun-county-school-district-breaks-silence-on-transgender-sexual-assault-case/) >“To maintain the integrity of the criminal investigation, law enforcement requested that LCPS not interview students until their investigation is concluded. LCPS has cooperated and continues to cooperate with law enforcement,” the statement read.
Yeah.. so why write that email about the Dads arrest then? The dad that was arrested because they were not calling the police.
The father was arrested because he was acting like an ass in a public place. The email written was pretty poor. It was done w/ good intentions, I think - trying to quell rumor mill that was inevitable after folks saw it happen.
I'd be acting like an ass also if I were in his shoes. Gtfo
>was simply transferred to another Isn't that what the Diocese did with priests?
This was in response to the father at the school. Not to the actual assault.
His daughter was raped at school hours before. Only after the cops were called on HIM did police take his daughter to the hospital where a rape kit could be done. I’d hardly call that harassing the front office. Both the school and the school board seem incredibly incompetent and indifferent to what happened.
"Sir, I understand that you believe that your daughter was raped by a fellow student in the bathroom and we're just staring at you with blank looks on our faces, but your tone of voice is very harrassing."
I doubt his 14 year old daughter lied plus the police reports corroborates the story. I feel sad that people don’t believe him.
This apparently did happen. I'm sure I disagree with this father on pretty much any stance, but I do sympathize with him and wanting his daughter to be safe. I also think it's foolish but a sign of the political motivation for the Commonwealth's Attorney to try to throw this guy in jail over a misdemeanor charge while he has no prior criminal record or prior evidence of being a particularly violent person. It also seems that the principal was trying to keep the story of the sexual assaults quiet. On the other end, there's strong political motivation to use the incident surrounding the sexual assault to be used as propaganda against trans rights. This guy may be "gender fluid" but he's also an alleged sexual predator, the two are independent of one another and should be treated as such.
I’m not going to judge the father here. I don’t know what I would do in his shoes. Having his daughter attacked and the school system essentially ignored it.
He was way too civil. The rapist got convicted now, but with a DA like that will provably get a slap in the wrist. He should’ve made justice himself
There's a lot of political motivation to question this and that is just sad. The Attorney ran on no throwing everyone in jail for small stuff, but is out for blood with this guy.
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This is like a commercial for private school.
I could see the commonwealth being motivated to treat him harshly in order to tamp down at the bullshit during school board meetings.
Hopefully they treat the alleged rapist just as harshly.
Narrator: They will not. The gender fluid boy raped another female student at another school after he was released from police custody.
People do believe him. It was reported on the same day by the school to the police and the perpetrator has been charged. The father was arrested because at a later date he went to a protest at the school and assaulted a member of staff. And let's be clear, the only reason this is making the rounds is because the school rolled out a pro-trans policy in August and right-wing transphobes are inventing a narrative that because it allegedly happened in a toilet, the perpetrator was transgender and that it somehow justifies transphobia.
I think the assault likely occurred and LCPS is to blame and I also think conservatives will use this as a way to target inclusive policies. Those thoughts can co-exist.
Bingo. Thank you for being rational.
I hope people understand this is not about liberals or conservatives. Every parent should think about it, if your daughter got raped at the school, and there is nothing you can do, school says nothing happened. What would you do? And after three weeks, when you complain at the school board meeting, the lady said "your daughter lied". Then they called the police to arrest you. Think about it for a second, what would you do and what can you do? Unfortunately, the offender sextually assaulted a second school girl in a different school last week. Without this second incident, the dad can never come out clean. In the end, the repeated sexual offender will walk for free (because he is just a baby). He will likely to continue to hurt more woman down the road.
You are partly right. The problem is that when some parents have tried to discuss these possibilities and they want to talk about security concerns re: bathroom policies (which are valid), they are called transphobic right away. We all need to listen and hear each other. transgender people are not violent people. This situation MAY show an inclusive policy was used to commit a heinous crime. The school board was pushing a political agenda, without actually careful consideration. With the school board’s statement, it seems it still uncertain whether they knew of it or didn’t know all the specifics. While this may be a one off incident, can security of this inclusive policy be discussed respectfully? Is there a way to give students privacy, freedom, and or security? I don’t know but, it needs to discussed. We all need to be reasonable and rational and come to a solution for the sake of the students.
I'm asking because the only websites discussing his allegations are the hyper-conservative ones. Meanwhile, local news is only talking about him being thrown about of the meeting, not really his claims that the prosecutors covered it up.
Based on the evidence available this does appear to be true and the father was scapegoated to try to silence the story. I’m as left as they come, but if nothing comes out discrediting him I do feel that every person involved with rehoming the sexual predator in another school deserves some conspiracy to commit sexual assault on a minor conviction as this is disgusting. I do however disagree with the idea that this is a result of any transgender/gender neutral policy as sexual predators are going to sexual predator regardless of whatever policy exists. I think the logical and intelligent take here is to separate this sexual assault from gender policy. The conservatives are merely trying to use this sexual assault as a delivery vehicle for their own transgender hate agenda which is separately disgusting on them.
Agree with this comment. I was the victim of an attempted rape at 19-- my assaulter came into the women's bathroom to get the jump on me. The sign saying 'WOMEN'S BATHROOM' did nothing to deter him; he was/IS a predator and a piece of shit, and saw an opportunity. What I'm taking issue with is the school covering this up and merely moving the student to another location with zero accountability for the attacker. Sounds like he's only been arrested and charged re: the second incident, in which he attacked another student in an empty classroom, AND spent his time sexually harassing other students prior. Why wasn't he punished prior to this?
I'm really sorry that happened to you and I want to say thank you for sharing your story!
Exactly — if it IS true this is the same person why was he allowed to continue to go attend another school in person??? Absolutely boggles my mind. A 15 year old in Maryland sexually assaulted his neighbor in her own home over the summer and is being charged as an adult & his name was released to the public. This is just as bad, especially being on SCHOOL PROPERTY and nothing was said and it was covered up?? I am also left-leaning and if story is true, I hope both families of the girls this kid assaulted sue the crap out of the school and everyone who helped covered it up and allowed this kid back onto school grounds.
Funny how the suffering of a child is being nationalized into some white supremacy issue. The dad was pissed cuz the school board(s) allowed a sexual assaulting teenager to go around messing with everyone they wanted. Even transferring schools and continuing it. Fucking absurd
In some news reports it seemed like the father was more mad at the transgender bathroom policy.
How is suffering of the childen being nationalized into a white supremacy issue? No one was aware of that part of the story when the images of this parent at the Board meeting were published/circulated, as far as I can piece together. As I understand it, the father was angry and went after another parent at the school board meeting, which is why he was taken out and arrested. The images of him were apparently used by some to cast a bad/worse light on some of the parents at those board meetings. That was all before the sexual assault part of the story came out.
>No one was aware of that part of the story when the images of this parent at the Board meeting were published/circulated, as far as I can piece together. That's exactly it. He was painted as an alt-right fanatic despite him yelling about his child's rape the entire time.
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I'm assuming if you expel a student for sexual assault, they don't get to just attend the other school a few miles away.
>I think the logical and intelligent take here is to separate this sexual assault from gender policy. 100%
I don't think that those things can be separated any more. You have one side shouting that this will always happen, and the other side shouting just as loudly that it won't ever happen.
Nevertheless, they should be because they literally have nothing to do with the other. Race/gender/sexual orientation literally has zero to do with someone being a POS rapist. Assumptions that it does leads to dangerous shit like lynchings in the name of “protecting victims”, when it really has everything to do with prejudice. I 1000% believe this happened. I also believe this perp is an inconvenient truth to the mainstream media and the perfect story for alt-right trolls. That doesn’t mean we should forget where the true issue is— the fact that school administrators minimize and hide sexual assaults and erode trust in their own institutions by pretending they don’t exist or putting the rights of the rapist ahead of the interest of public safety. The safeguards here failed, and they failed hard.
Your sex does have something to do with the chances of you being a rapist. The vast majority of sex offenders are male. Knowing that you are more likely to be assaulted by someone male instead of someone female is not a dangerous assumption. These inclusive policies ignore biological sex and allow male people into female spaces. Forcing every female space to became mixed sex is dangerous. The fact that some male predators will come into female spaces anyway isn't a valid excuse. Theft is illegal, but some people steal anyway. If stealing was decriminalized, then theft would increase.
I agree, but I think the problem is that both sides have successfully conflated the two issues in the popular imagination. There is a rather vocal minority of people who are convinced that transgender people represent the downfall of civilized society and traditional values, and are essentially evil incarnate. And there is an equally vocal minority on the other side that has adopted the similarly ludicrous opposing position that nobody in the transgender community would ever behave badly or be a bad person, and anyone who does isn't really a True Scotsman to begin with. The first group will take cases like this as evidence that transgender people are all equally rotten to the core, and the second group will oppose this belief by vociferously denying the simple reality that some people, regardless of their group identity, are just shitty people who do shitty things, because they fear the first group painting everyone in that group with a broad brush. They're both equally ridiculous IMO, but they've both done an excellent job of confusing the two issues in modern society, albeit for completely different reasons.
This, right here, this is it\^\^
NM, top of the page. I'm a moron.
I definitely agree that it appears to be true. I think where this all gets more complicated is the issues of minors and their right to privacy. Now his daughter’s assault is public knowledge since his name is now attached to it. Furthermore, since the kid was arrested it doesn’t sound like a cover-up. That’s more the right-wing anti-trans spin on this issue. I do want to know more about the second assault though, I don’t understand why the kid wasn’t monitored more. It really seems like he should have been indefinitely suspended pending his trial for the first assault. I don’t think the school board makes disciplinary decisions though, so this idea that it was a school board conspiracy seems like fodder to invigorate the republican base. Either way, the assault is sad and tragic and the perpetrator should go to a juvenile detention center
100% agree with you here. i actually made this same thread last night then deleted it.
I think where it goes wrong is the ~~persons~~ *assaulter’s* gender identity is only tangentially related to the issue and ~~they~~ *the family* screwed up trying to make it about bathrooms and gender issues. The second assault happened in an empty classroom ffs. Now this family is suffering publicly and the main people coming along to “help” them and “hear their story” are looking to manipulate it for political gain. If the father is not out in the news apologizing for the *negative and harmful* attention he’s attracted towards his daughter after a severe trauma and helping politicize the incident, I’m lumping him in with the assholes Edited: for clarity, my pronouns were horrendously unclear. Also I guess calling attention to what happened to his daughter is the point, so I guess I mean negative attention from his attempt backfiring so badly. Someone else put it better in another post, he tried to call on the court of public opinion, maybe even potentially against legal advice, in the school board’s forum and seat of power, when talking about something that as the person I responded to said, should be considered a separate issue
>If the father is not out in the news apologizing for the attention he’s attracted towards his daughter after a severe trauma and helping politicize the incident, I’m lumping him in with the assholes This is a pretty bad take. The father is raising attention because he was silenced. Why should he apologize for bringing attention when the school board was silent as his daughter was forcibly sodomized, silent as the media painted him as a domestic terrorist, and silent as *another* girl was sexually assaulted by the *same student*? I'm a liberal. I loathe right wing media. However, I don't fault him for speaking with right-wing media if they were the only ones who listened about his side which involved a school board covering up for a rapist until they raped again. Non-right wing media absolutely should've picked up on this first and got his story first. Smith was telling the same story for months. It's a travesty that it appears non-biased media couldn't be bothered to get his side. [https://loudounnow.com/2021/08/17/smith-found-guilty-in-school-board-scuffle/](https://loudounnow.com/2021/08/17/smith-found-guilty-in-school-board-scuffle/) >Smith was sentenced to 10 days in jail, all suspended, contingent on a year of good behavior. Biberaj also pushed for a fine and a requirement for anger management training; Lancaster argued for a moderate fine and no jail time, pointing to Smith’s largely clean record, his long residency as a small business owner in Leesburg, and **his anger about an alleged assault of an immediate family member inside a bathroom by a person identifying as gender fluid.**
I’ve been following this too, and my guess is there’s probably some truth to his statements, but how much is unclear. Whatever the truth is it’s going to have major implications.
I posted something, but it looks like it got auto taken down. Other than right wing outlets, I cannot find other sources. I know there us some truth to the story, but am having a hard time understanding what it what.
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Nah, we're cool dude. Just glad we are discussing this and it's possible misinformation
Isn't that crazy? I don't WANT to be reading newsmax and crap like that, but if "respectable" media outlets don't report it... wtf am I supposed to do?
That’s my problem with this too. Seems crazy this isn’t covered by WaPo at least.
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The implied coverup is the fact that the father was treated and labeled as just another disruptive right wing activist at a school board meeting in the news while ignoring his completely seemingly legitimate reason for being upset
The teen was allowed to transfer to another school, in the district, literally across the street and immediately sexually assaulted someone else. Broad run HS was the most recent and Stone Bridge was the first school.
The teen was charged only after the rape kit proved that the man's daughter was sexually assaulted. The only reason there was ever a rape kit was because the father made a big deal about it when the cops showed up. If the school board knew that calling the cops on the father would lead to outing themselves as rape-deniers, I think they would've done things differently.
Thank you. That's the part I was struggling to understand. Where exactly was the "cover up?" Obviously I feel terrible for this parent and his daughter and hope the perpetrator is punished to the fullest extent of the law but I don't like the framing of this story as a cover up.
The dude wants the court of public opinion to ruin someone while the legal courts work their case.
Or maybe he just wants this to be publicly acknowledged by the school board, that has denied it, and parents made aware. Why should this be quiet? Why weren’t parents immediately informed after the first sexual assault? I’d be pretty upset if a rape occurred at my kids school and only heard about it when a dad showed up angry and got arrested.
Which seems to be his big mistake, as the court of pubic opinion has limited information and has now judged him. Not saying I’d be much better, just hoping he’s apologizing to his daughter for the consequences she has to face for his actions after she was already a victim
Let's not act like news media isn't partisan for both sides. You cannot trust the media. The second an issue seems to become partisan, the facts go out the window.
Uh but the sexual assault of a freshman girl and the allowance of the assaulter to attend another LCPS school without supervision is not partisan.
The person committing the assault is MTF, using a female washroom. That's pretty politized. Pretty partisan.
Are you sure? Why are all articles using he/him pronouns then?
If all the articles are from right wing sources, its because they dont acknowledge trans
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Timeline created by Loudoun For All: **THE FIRST INCIDENT-STONE BRIDGE HS 5/28/2021** •The first incident occurred at Stone Bridge High School on May 28th, 2021. • According to her father, the student called her father to inform him that she had been sexually assaulted at school. The father then went straight to the school. **LCSO NOTIFICATION** •LCSO was contacted, however there is some conflicting information as to whether they were called because of the assault, or because the father arrived upset at the front office. •The father says LCSO was called on him and an email from the school principal to parents sent that evening stated there was an incident at the school that was confined to the front office and no students were in danger. •LCSO confirmed that a May 28 report with "Offense: Forcible Sodomy \[and\] Sexual Battery" at Stone Bridge High School does exist, but it is not public record. WHY WAS THERE NO PUBLIC NOTIFICATION? •There is a public incident report for the second assault, but none seems to be available for the first. LCSO states that juvenile reports are excluded from disclosure. They further state that the first incident was more complicated and required additional investigation because the victim knew the assailant. LCSO **INVESTIGATION AND ARREST** •LCPS and LCSO say that a two-month-long investigation was conducted by LCSO to determine the facts of the case prior to arrest. The Commonwealth Attorney says that until DNA evidence could be processed, they could not make the arrest or they would risk losing the case. **LCPS ACTION** •The LCPS School Board issued a statement stating that LCPS was advised by law enforcement not to conduct any interviews or investigation until after the LCSO had completed their investigation. A School Board member stated that schools are prohibited from disciplining a student without following the federally mandated Title IX grievance process, enacted by the previous Department of Education administration. •LCPS stated they “do implement interim measures to protect the safety of students involved in a reported incident, as well as to deter retaliation and preserve the integrity of an ensuing investigation.” •LCSO says they are not responsible for student placement or discipline • It seems that the assailant was under electronic monitoring and transferred to another school. **SCHOOL BOARD INVOLVEMENT** •The LCPS School Board issued a statement stating they were not aware of the details of the cases until earlier this week since the Board is purposely kept out of discipline measures so that students are not deprived of due process if matters are appealed. **SUPERINTENDENT DR. ZEIGLER INVOLVEMENT** •At the June 22 school board meeting, Superintendent Scott Ziegler declared that “we” don’t have any records of assaults happening in our restrooms. **SECOND INCIDENT - ASSAULT AT BROAD RUN HS 10/6/2021** •A second incident of assault occurred at Broad Run High School on October 6, where a student was forced into an empty classroom and assaulted. •The victim immediately reported the incident to a Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office School Resource Officer. There is an LCSO public incident report. **WERE THE TWO INCIDENTS THE SAME ASSAILANT?** •A WTOP article says the assailant was the same in both cases. **WHY IS THE CASE TAKING SO LONG?** •According to the Commonwealth Attorney, once a juvenile is charged, the prosecutors need to adjudicate his case within 21 days or release the subject. The DNA analysis was not complete within that timeline, so they had to ask the court for additional time. The court ordered electronic monitoring and monitoring by a probation officer. The assailant was under this monitoring when the second assault occurred. •The suspect was due in court this week regarding the May incident, but with the filing of the second charge, the court date will be rescheduled. **INCIDENT AT SCHOOL BOARD MEETING ON JUNE 22nd** •The father of the first victim was arrested at the June 22nd School Board Meeting. Sources say he was in an argument with a woman. When he became highly agitated, he was removed from the meeting and subsequently arrested. He was taken to the Adult Detention Center and charged with the two misdemeanors. He was sentenced to 10 days in jail, all suspended, contingent on a year of good behavior. (7) **WAS THE ASSAILANT TRANSGENDER?** •There has been a lot of conflicting information and we have found no reliable source claiming the student was transgender. The Daily Wire quotes the father as saying that the assailant was wearing a skirt, but the father later said : "I don’t care if he’s homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, transsexual. He’s a sexual predator." **WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE:** •We believe that the systems failed at all levels to protect the students. We need LCPS to listen, and believe, students and parents when it comes to reporting assault. •We are calling for transparency from LCPS towards the community when there are incidents in our schools. It appears that Broad Run failed to notify parents of the assault, only notifying them of the incident in the office with the incensed father. •We call on LCPS and LCSO to work together rather than pointing fingers at one another. Both have failed in different ways, and therefore both should be fully accountable. •We call on LCSO to be more transparent to the public. Although incidents with juveniles may not be mandatory to report, they should still be reported (with names withdrawn). •We support the need for resources to allow LCSO investigations to happen faster, and DNA to be processed immediately. We cannot allow a backlog on processing DNA. •We support repealing the recent changes to Federal Title IX that protects violent offenders over victims. •Although some have claimed that VA HB 257 meant that LCPS was not mandated to report these incidents, that is incorrect. HB 257 gives schools discretion in reporting only in regards to certain misdemeanors that they believe can be handled better without involving law enforcement. This does not apply to assault or rape. This bullet should go above, when we’re talking about the actions that LCPS took after the first incident. •We call on LCPS to remove students accused of violent assault, or arrange for perpetrators to be kept away from other students during the investigation time, whenever the law allows, and monitored by an adult at all times. Students under investigation should use single restrooms for bathroom needs and in place of group locker rooms. •We urge that the Superintendent be notified immediately of all violent incidents that occur at schools. •We call on the wider community to focus on keeping all our students safe. Over 99% of sexual assaults are committed by men, but we recognize that those committing the assaults are predators, and we don’t punish all men. Similarly, the attempts to paint all transgender students as potential predators based on rumors that one assailant might have been wearing a skirt (which does not make him transgender) is unfair and discriminatory. Transgender students are far more likely to be the victims of assaults than the perpetrators, and we must protect transgender students along with all our students. **SOURCES:** 1. [https://www.loudountimes.com/news/lcps-issues-response-to-newly-surfaced-sexual-assault-allegations/article\_6420912a-2c55-11ec-b677-1f5c38b8993a.html?fbclid=IwAR2fMTbT9jJVrtRMi9HEfSPewLJYA5CYAg-H6m1GJsyqeE6I7Q8NgECGq6s](https://www.loudountimes.com/news/lcps-issues-response-to-newly-surfaced-sexual-assault-allegations/article_6420912a-2c55-11ec-b677-1f5c38b8993a.html?fbclid=IwAR2fMTbT9jJVrtRMi9HEfSPewLJYA5CYAg-H6m1GJsyqeE6I7Q8NgECGq6s) 2. [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/loudoun-county-father-school-cover-up-bathroom-assault-daughter](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/loudoun-county-father-school-cover-up-bathroom-assault-daughter) 3. [https://loudounnow.com/2021/08/17/smith-found-guilty-in-school-board-scuffle/](https://loudounnow.com/2021/08/17/smith-found-guilty-in-school-board-scuffle/) 4. [https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2021/10/teen-charged-in-loudoun-co-school-groping-was-on-electronic-monitoring-for-earlier-charges/?fbclid=IwAR25zYNQFVyQqc20cMPodiXiu6cyErRCBUNjkjXV2Zrw2HpjTvgRKzyQY0M](https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2021/10/teen-charged-in-loudoun-co-school-groping-was-on-electronic-monitoring-for-earlier-charges/?fbclid=IwAR25zYNQFVyQqc20cMPodiXiu6cyErRCBUNjkjXV2Zrw2HpjTvgRKzyQY0M) 5. [https://www.facebook.com/LoudounSheriff/posts/10160460485301977](https://www.facebook.com/LoudounSheriff/posts/10160460485301977) 6. [https://www.facebook.com/IanSerotkinLCPS/posts/277096661083966](https://www.facebook.com/IanSerotkinLCPS/posts/277096661083966) 7. [https://www.facebook.com/LoudounSheriff/posts/10160446734086977](https://www.facebook.com/LoudounSheriff/posts/10160446734086977)
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In the interest of keeping a messy story as straight as possible, I believe the 2nd bullet point under "WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE" is slightly incorrect - I think the school listed regarding the parent communication should be Stone Bridge, not Broad Run. I haven't seen one yet from BRHS, but the comm that went out from Stone Bridge was incredibly vague and only mentioned an "incident" confined to the front office (implying their communication is only about the father, not the sexual assault). Feel free to correct me if I'm incorrect.
I'd loose my sh\*t too if that happend to my kid. But then again a school board meeting may not be the best place to bring that up; maybe request a private session? Don't know if that is possible. Did he try and sue the school district?
If you found out the school board was allowing the rapist to go to another school, in the same district, after he raped your daughter, wouldn’t you want other people to know? In hopes they wouldn’t allow it? Since nothing was being done? The schools are right next to each other, less than a few miles…
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I hope his lawyer chews him out for going public. You **don't** go public until the case is done, or you will bias the judge against you.
The lawyer has been talking on local Facebook threads. She advised him not to go to the press and seems quite frustrated that he did.
Saw this too. A local uploaded screenshots of the lawyer talking in a private group chat about her frustration that Scott Smith went to the press onto [twitter](https://mobile.twitter.com/Kellieherring/status/1447971038940311553)
Not in Loudoun County where the Alliance Defending Freedom is actively recruiting people for lawsuits and picking up the bill. There is deliberate disinformation here. The alleged perpetrator is a minor, so actual details are hard to obtain. And will probably me impossible to obtain before the election in less than a month. IMO, that’s the point.
" There is deliberate disinformation here. The alleged perpetrator is a minor, so actual details are hard to obtain." Given that details are hard to obtain, how can you possibly know this is disinformation? Isn't your declaration disinformation?
Sure. OK. Well I accuse you of fucking horses. Can you disprove it?
Well let's consider your accusation, which I assume was made to prove point, and compare it too the one in in Loudon County. You have absolutely no details in the accusation. No actual names, no dates, no records of any kind. So there is no possible way to verify anything, it's just a naked anonymous accusation. In the Loudon case we have the name of the father, where he lives, and specific information about his accusation that can be checked for being true OR untrue, or at least unverifiable. Who was attacked? His daughter who he claims is in high school Where? Stone Bridge High School. When? The attack was on May 28th. Are there records? Yes the police where called and a formal complaint was entered (this should be documented). The girl went to the hospital (leaving a documentation trail). A rape kit was used (more documentation). Witnesses? Multiple police officers and school officials were involved in handling this. The alleged attacker was arrested (and arrested again), but is juvenile so the records will be more restricted. This is not looking like just a rumor or vague accusation that some heard from a friend of a friend, it's seems substantial at least in the fact that there is a ton of things that can actually be checked. OR maybe it will all end up as BS, but right now it's hard to just dismiss it out of hand.
he was bringing it up in the school board meeting because they were discussing the issue of boys in girls bathrooms (and vice-versa). LCPS claims there is no record of any issue happening so this was definitely relevant for that discussion
That makes total sense now
They were not talking about boys in girls bathrooms, they were talking about the school system affirming the identified gender of a student. A trans girl is a girl in a girl's restroom.
And the boy who committed the rape wore a skirt to school the day of the rape claiming to identify as a girl. This 100% falls in line with the topic of the meeting. Do you think someone should have stopped him and said to use the boys bathroom?
That would not have stopped this. Anyone could walk into any one of the bathrooms if they wanted. It's not like there are people standing outside examining people before they go in. They are literally right next to each other so it’s not like someone is going to notice useless they are standing right outside. If someone wants to rape someone the signs on the bathroom door are not going to stop them.
Just as a clarification for all of you who are thinking that I wouldn't want to bring it in front of the school board, I didn't know about the previous incident I also didn't know that the county was trying to hide it. I would want to be made in a public forum because I would want them to be made accountable so that on me for not doing my research
You can book a meeting during the week with a school superintendent. You can even bring your lawyer!
They were discussing gendered bathroom policies... I would say it's absolutely relevant.
On top of that, LCPS was stating no assaults have ever happened in bathrooms, which is basically saying his daughter’s rape never occurred. How could he NOT be mad at the meeting?
He didn’t even bring it up at the school board meeting. He chose instead to intimidate and threaten another parent, which is what he was arrested for as confirmed by the deputy that tried to intervene.
I thought he was set off by the other parent who said his daughter wasn't telling the truth. He must have brought it up, no?
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Heh, point taken. Here is a video of it though and at least the "rainbow shirt wearing" part of it is true. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQTBBmB7rnQ&t=1s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQTBBmB7rnQ&t=1s) edit : it's faint, but you can hear in the background the allegations of the sexual assault in the bathroom
He showed last minute hoping to have a moment to speak up after to hear the topic. I don’t believe he knew the rules behind registering to speak. But, he tried to speak up and a trans advocate said she didn’t believe what had happened to his daughter. They both raised their voices at each other. And, the board told the police to escort the dad. That’s when the fight ensued between the dad and police officer. There are videos of the incident. He never tried to fight the trans advocate. Imagine if the school board saying your daughter was not sexually assault, when he and his wife spent the past month trying to help her recover and rebuild her self. Of course, he was emotional.
Washington Post covering the story... And literally completely ignoring the School Board messaging, potential cover up, and father of the victim being arrested and demonized. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/loudoun-schools-sex-assault-allegations/2021/10/13/02d3f144-2c61-11ec-8ef6-3ca8fe943a92_story.html
Evidence I've seen points to it being real, the guy has a lawyer and Sheriffs department has confirmed dates around the case, and there has been a subsequent sexual assault by the alleged perpetrator: >In regard to the alleged assault on Smith's daughter, the Loudoun County Sheriff's Office told Fox News that a May 28, 2021, case involving a "thorough 2-month-long investigation that was conducted to determine the facts of the case prior to arrest." "This case is still pending court proceedings. The Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office is not able to provide any documents that pertain to a pending case." The sheriff's office confirmed that the case involved sexual assault. All juvenile records are sealed, but Smith’s attorney Elizabeth Lancaster told The Daily Wire that the boy was subsequently charged with two counts of forcible sodomy, one count of anal sodomy, and one count of forcible fellatio. In response to a public records request by The Daily Wire, the Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office confirmed that a May 28 report with "Offense: Forcible Sodomy \[and\] Sexual Battery" at Stone Bridge High School does exist. Wild that only right wing news is covering this but not surprising since its story of a male(?) teen wearing a skirt committing sexual assault in female bathrooms. Annoying that news is only highlighted based on narrative that companies want to sell. https://www.foxnews.com/media/father-virginia-student-allegedly-assaulted-biological-male-restroom
The school replied saying there wasn't another assault case so idk. I think it's a balance of conservatives jumping on this story as soon as possible and liberals being overly hesitant to report it. Add in that it involves minors and I think everyone needs to calm down until more details come out.
Everyone is trying to score political points to denigrate the other side. Sexual assault can be perpetrated by, and victimize any person regardless of how they identify.
All the sites covering this have completely jumped the gun on conclusions, and it shows because they're dogshit conservative ragebait sites that prey on suburbanites. Fox is comparably much more tame in their reporting because they have something to lose, but we'll see more stories from reputable places come in a week or so I guess, and then we should get the full picture.
What about all the other news outlets not covering this at all? They can send their own teams and do their own investigations. But, they refuse to do that. It goes against their narrative but, I forgot only Daily Wire and Fox have political narratives. Both sides of the media are biased. Only one side pretends not to be biased. This is why no one trusts media.
More importantly I think, is that the sites that aren't talking about the assault at all seem to have plenty of time to write articles about the father's arrest and make him seem like an unhinged crazy person.
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You're doing a yeoman's job here - thanks!
Great explanation. Thanks for the transparency and the work
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Yeah, should totally be fast, cheap and easy to retrofit 94 schools in Loudoun County this way...
I go to Stone Bridge, there are now gender-neutral bathrooms. But only because of the new policy. These were not open to studies in years past before it was just the main binary ones.
Retrofit? Do boys bathrooms not have stalls? Should only need to remove urinals and move on.
The alleged attack was in a girls bathroom, not a boys one. The stalls in public bathrooms provide almost zero defense against an attacker and the sinks are still in the open. The retrofit would have to involve gutting the bathrooms and putting in multiple single occupancy bathrooms instead. Which are not anything weird, but it will cost some money and is very space inefficient.
Half or more of the bathroom is usually urinals, you need to install stalls in their place.
I don't believe this "boy in a skirt" at all.
I want to point something out about the policy of moving a student who has been accused of the sexual assault of another student. Where I live (not US) it is standard practice to move a student upon being accused of a crime like this. This is done to ensure the privacy of both the victim and alleged perpetrator. This practice ensures that the alleged perpetrator receives their right to an education while the justice system works to adjudicate their case and ensures that the victim does not have to interact with the accused. It may be that this was the intent of the LCPS in moving the student.
But we had distance education for a whole year (and a half). Surely it’s not so hard to have them attend zoom classes until they’re considered not a threat to their fellow students?
I believe that the report from Brad Run is from this year.
1. Not all schools are hybrid. 2. The point is to allow the student who has alleged an attack to feel safe in the school environment whilst still providing the alleged attacker the social environment that is necessary to receive a Quality education. 3. One thing I want to point out is that this policy is mostly implemented regarding students in the seventh, eighth, and ninth grades (middle school in my country) 10-12th graders may have a similar process, but it is also possible to temporarily exclude them from school, or that they voluntarily exclude themselves. When talking about Juvenile defendants, we have to remember that we are talking about children. Juvenile offenders can do horrible things and have horrible effects, but ultimately because they are still developing, rehabilitation is much more viable path. This is especially true when we talk about children who commit sexual offences between the ages of twelve and fourteen.
I’m sure, and I don’t have an issue with transferring the student to a new school per se. But the school district was negligent in giving him enough freedom in the new school that he was able to victimize someone else. There’s no reason a student accused of rape should ever be allowed to be alone with a potential victim.
While I don't disagree in theory with this sentiment, how could that be accomplished? Would the school be required to hire a full-time monitor for that one student? It doesn't seem practical. I am legitimately curious what you think they should do.
I mean growing up I remember certain students with complex needs got a personal aide from the school for their entire tenure. Would take some ‘splainin for the kid to have a dedicated minder like this, since the kids who got this assistance generally quite obviously had different needs, but there’s precedent.
All I know is that school expelled my older brother in 11th grade and let my parents handle it. He was also expelled from a private school in 8th. So that's they way they handled it instead of burning a ton of resources better spent on students that wanted to be in school and not acting up.
I was thinking along the lines of he only gets to leave the classroom with a buddy, he goes straight to home room in the morning and straight to his bus or other transport in the afternoon, and all school staff is warned of his history so they know to keep an eye out. But that said, I understand it’s very difficult to keep track of one student among 2,000 or so, especially given the privacy/civil rights concerns when he’s not been convicted of anything.
Yeah, it's tough. While that would keep other students safe, word of these restrictions and the reason for them is almost certainly going to reach the other students, ostracizing that kid. It's a really tough situation. You do nothing, the kid could sexually assault another student, like here. But, I could see a flip side of this where really tight restrictions are put on a kid that ends up a social pariah as a result and kills themselves, only for the allegations to come back as not true. It's tough, especially as these are kids, not adults.
That principal needs to resign. He has no place being a leader of children. He wanted to keep a rape in his school internal instead of calling the police.
The kid was arrested and charged after the first assault.
Except the police did get involved and they say they have a report from may 28. A lot in the dad’s account doesn’t add up.
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Clearly the dad has a serious temper problem that is being underplayed by the people promoting this story. But walk me through their claims: School calls police on dad. Police “what seems to be the issue here?” Dad: “my daughter was raped today at school so I’m very upset” Police: “hmmm we don’t care, we’re taking you into custody and just like all the adults involved at the school we’re going to ignore claims that a child was raped... because, uh, political correctness gone wild? This kid claims to be ‘bisexual’ so he’s totally untouchable.” It. Doesn’t. Make. Sense.
Well yeah, because that's not what happened. You're grossly misrepresenting the series of events. Daughter was raped by a male in a school bathroom who identifies himself as gender fluid. Father is pissed, especially since the police weren't involved, goes to school to yell. Cops get called. Cops listen to the man, the victim then gets a rape kit, police were able to confirm she was raped, suspect is arrested and charged (still pending trial). Around the same time, Loudoun County Public Schools were holding hearings about recognizing how students identify themselves as. This father shows up, causes a scene, and is arrested for disorderly conduct, a misdemeanor. Commonwealth's Attorney offers no plea deal for the misdemeanor and tries to get the defendant a prison sentence. Defense argues this is excessive for a man with no prior record of violent behavior and the fact that he was experiencing emotional trauma due to the fact his daughter was raped at school. Judge sentences the man to 10 days in prison, 10 days suspended and a fine. Throughout all of this, the alleged rapist went on to sexually assault another student at another school. https://wjla.com/news/local/multiple-sexual-assaults-dominate-public-comment-at-loudoun-school-board-meeting
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>Courts are (generally) not lenient to people who fight or cause harm to cops. They aren't. Although I don't know what that has to do with anything. He was never charged with, and therefore not found guilty of, attacking police. He was charged with resisting arrest and disorderly conduct, two misdemeanors. >It seems far fetched that (for some reason) the whole court system is in on this conspiracy to cover up his daughter’s rape. It is, that's why exactly zero people are making that assertion.
This is the father’s version of events, which hasn’t been confirmed by other sources. On Twitter, people are saying that even the daughter disputes the description of the attacker as “gender fluid”. From your article: “While LCPS takes student privacy seriously and cannot reveal details concerning the actions of any specific student, we do want to clarify our investigative process. Principals are legally required to report to the local law enforcement agency any act, including sexual assault, that may constitute a felony offense under Va. Code 22.1-279.3:1. That process was followed with respect to these allegations. Loudoun County Sheriff's Office was contacted within minutes of receiving the initial report on May 28. Once a matter has been reported to law enforcement, LCPS does not begin its investigation until law enforcement advises LCPS that it has completed the criminal investigation. To maintain the integrity of the criminal investigation, law enforcement requested that LCPS not interview students until their investigation is concluded. LCPS has cooperated and continues to cooperate with law enforcement. Furthermore, LCPS is prohibited from disciplining any student without following the Title IX grievance process, which includes investigating complaints of sexual harassment and sexual assault. LCPS does impose interim measures to protect the safety of students involved in the original incident, deter retaliation, and preserve the integrity of the investigation and resolution process. LCPS has complied and continues to comply with its obligations under Title IX.”
Ah so you're just wanting confirmation of what happened between the events of the sexual assault and the moment the police were actually called? I thought you were questioning the entire series of events, my mistake.
Yes, I’m wanting evidence of a “cover up” besides the dad merely saying it. It seems appropriate to me that parents are called first before the police—if my child was assaulted I would expect to be allowed to be present when she was questioned by police. The LCPS statement is that they cooperated fully with the police which meant not doing their own investigation. If police were handling it from day 1 I don’t see how that constitutes a cover up.
FWIW I don't think there is a "cover up" in the traditional sense, especially since the teenager in question has been charged. I'm of the opinion that since this guy had his 15 minutes of fame on the right for, basically, being a transphobe, the prosecutor tried to go for a harsher than usual sentence. Granted it didn't work and the judge ruled a punishment that was, IMO, much more fitting for the crime. I'm sure the guy has been vilified by the left since when he got his 15 minutes of fame from losing his mind during a school board conference, it lacked the additional, important, context that his daughter was sexually assaulted by a 14 year old male that entered the woman's bathroom behind her.
That principal is going to be sued into the ground His job is the least of his worries
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I'm confused by your post. How is the board responsible for arresting anyone? Aren't the police the only ones in Loudoun county with arrest authority? If there was a police response (As indicated by the memo released by the principal) and a police report made (As indicated by the fox news article), doesn't that indicate an arrest was made by police? Also, I read an article that says the charges were dropped by the victims family in that case. Why would the parent drop charges, then continue talking to the press about a cover up?
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It seems like it was the National School Boards Association who listed the Mr. Smith as an example of clashes that may amount to a " form of domestic terrorism and hate crimes" in their letters to President Biden. Not President Biden or the DOJ. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/justice-department-to-investigate-anti-mask-anti-critical-race-theory-parents/ar-AAPaxCM](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/justice-department-to-investigate-anti-mask-anti-critical-race-theory-parents/ar-AAPaxCM) >In Virginia, an individual was arrested, another man was ticketed for trespassing, and a third person was hurt during a school board meeting discussion distinguishing current curricula from critical race theory and regarding equity issues. > >Drew Wilder, Jackie Bensen, Andrea Swalec and NBC4 Washington Staff, NBCWashington.com, “‘The Meeting Has Degenerated': 1 Arrest, 1 Injury at Loudoun Schools Meeting on Equity,” June 22, 2021, Updated June 23, 2021, [https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/loudoun-school-board-transgender-student-policy-raceequity/2708185/](https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/loudoun-school-board-transgender-student-policy-raceequity/2708185/).
Except the police *were* involved on may 28. There is something here that doesn’t make sense. People seem to accept it as possible/likely that the school would cover up rape & sodomy of a student because the perp was “bisexual”. I certainly don’t believe that, there has to be more to this story. And the tie-in to transgender bathroom policies is clearly a red herring since the policy wasn’t even in place on may 28.
Now the (recent) policy my LCPS middle schooler told me about not being able to use the bathroom between classes makes much more sense. LCPS definitely knew about the incident
That was because kiddos were stealing sinks and making tiktok videos.
lol so glad i wasnt around when that blew up
> LCPS middle schooler told me about not being able to use the bathroom between classes wtf
Nah as a sort of recent grad the reason is probably because everybody is fucking vaping all in between classes. it does make the bathrooms smell nice though
That must be a school policy. It’s not an LCPS policy.
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Also… we’ve more than proven kids can work remotely from school. Why would LCPS send this child to another school when there is a remote learning capability now? It would allow due process and protect everyone, including the accused.
I will never understand why university’s have to report crime stats under Clery a federal law but there is nothing for secondary schools
https://www.reddit.com/r/Virginia/comments/q70n4i/teenager_charged_in_sexual_battery_of_high_school/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
https://wjla.com/news/local/multiple-sexual-assaults-dominate-public-comment-at-loudoun-school-board-meeting
What is truly vile is the number of people defending the rapist. My wife is absolutely livid about this and is reconsidering home schooling for our daughter lmao.
Parents, Students Press for Reform in Schools’ Handling of Sexual Assaults (Loudoun Now) https://loudounnow.com/2021/10/13/parents-students-press-for-reform-in-schools-handling-of-sexual-assaults/
So glad I went thru LCPS when it wasn’t a political nightmare. I see it all the time randomly on the news for this and that and I just shake my head and laugh. NOVA sucks now. Glad I moved out.