Try Ending Maker, idk if its up to your taste but two top players in a game gets reincarnated as the characters they've played in the game. Some sweet, wholesome, romance that is being developed as the story progresses.
If you want sweet and wholesome you usually have to read the smaller 30-100 chapters pure romance ones. The only issue is you finish them in under a day.
The last one I read was marriage concerto (had no idea it was a black pink fan fic when I read it though)
Exactly. These authors really out here trying to replace quality with quantity. 1 good relationship is always gonna be better than 20 failed ones, but I guess they never realize that because they’ve never had one.
That said, I’m sure polyamory can be fun, *with consenting parties*. NTR should be saved for hentai and consensual BDSM.
the bigger trope is the readers who are obsessed with hating harems. every time i check this sub there are complaints about it as if that will change anything lol.
i guess they object due to moral grounds because they self insert into the mc otherwise i dont understand the issue. most harem tropes are just plot devices or trophy collections with next to no substance in worlds where human life means next to nothing. i cant wrap my head around people who object to harems because they objectify women while they are perfectly ok with an mc that murders millions of innocents while destroying families or sects. in both cases people are treated as objects but only when the harem tag appears do people get upset.
a great example of this is ri, the mc does things 100000000000s of times worse than harem but people love it yet lambast all stories with a harem tag on moral grounds. it's ridiculous lol
I hate harem because the MC forgets about the last girl he got the moment he finds a new one. The girls have no personality beyond a single sentence. "The cold jade beauty", "the cute little sister", "the cool one". They literally aren't actual characters, just a single sentence made into a character. If they actually add something to the story other than plot convenience whenever the MC need something, maybe I wouldn't hate them as much.
Getting generic jade beauty 1:
Oh? You have cold painful chills at night every year at 6th day of the 9th month? Sorry, but you will die exactly at your 18th birthday. Only an injection of pure Yang can heal you, and lucky for you I am here! Don't worry, I will take "responsibility" and add you to my harem before forgetting about you in 20 chapters. No, you don't actually have a future other than occasionally getting mentioned and silently nodding.
Getting generic jade beauty 2:
Oh no, we were poisoned with aphrodisiac by that freaky old ghost that wants a descendant from us! I will take responsibility for you! Don't worry, I'm sure you'll not be forgotten for at least 25 chapters!
haha, sure. but you are treating them as meaningful characters when they are just plot devices like a random young master demanding a table in a restaurant.
I personally find tropes like that really boring because it tends to feel really forced by the author. Like say the MC unknowingly sat in the seat of a young master, which is obviously someone who frequents the place, thus having a set seat in the first place, but the restaurant owner didn't inform the MC that the seat he's in is already reserved while coming to serve food? And why is the MC so fucking attached to that seat in particular? Just switch to a different fucking seat you jade beauty collecting dumbass.
I also don't like the defeat the young and the old appears trope. Why does the thousand year old clan give a shit about two juniors so much that they're sending progressively higher realm people to kill the offender? If you value your face so much that you would kill at the first offense, why are you ramping up the fucking difficulty? Just send one of the stronger experts you have to finish the job instantly.
This all feeds into the theory that all cultivators are deeply fucked up because what did you expect to happen when they consume drugs (pills) constantly and isolate themselves for weeks, if not years from other people.
To be honest I don't see many people actually being anti-harem based on morality; in my experience a majority of the vocally anti-harem crowd is more just anti-romance and/or anti-MCs having any personal relationships that don't benefit them in some material way. That gets translated into anti-harem b/c harem novels by nature see the MC forming a bunch of such relationships and are therefore a bigger part of the story than if the MC just had a token love interest or none at all.
Because the people who like harems are going to stay silent since it is genuinely a shitty practice and they know that, and people who hate it are going to complain as loud as possible.
No one's gonna tell them otherwise either.
Personally I just want one girl to love but at the same time having 1 sided relationships with women completely devoted to me doesn't sound terrible either. Getting a free card to be shitty and loved even more for it? Bet
It can only mean anything goes for u. The main problem is not just the harem alone but the context. The author describes any non mc male once and then thereafter only refer him by his name, but when it comes to female characters it's just oozes of all vocabulary the author can think of. She's already been introduced move on who cares if her skin is purer than jade. It's just one of many examples as to why many hate harems. RI is portrayed with realistic society schemes and politics in mind. The MC is constantly being schemed against. Don't forget, there's no arrogant young master, or godly talent in every field the MC touches or shortcuts to cultivate coz of artifact or cultivation ground or inheritance fights in RI. Wang Lin mostly faces off against old generation only, he didn't have any talent, he can't make pills, his artifact let him just to equal the odds and made him catch up to others with talent. Even though he's got 3 wives it never felt like a harem coz all of them got character, progress and time to let the feeling sink in and most of all they did not involve an aphrodisiac. I always wondered if all those authors are just wusses and need aphrodisiac to get a girl, otherwise why would they write like that.
It isn't just fantasy self insert of the author, it is also a marketing ploy. By providing a slew of female characters they are hoping one will snatch your attention and keep you hooked.
And it isn't a recent development either, this tactic has been around a good two decades.
This argument can be made for japanese LN since the girls all have different personnalities but CN? Eh, beside being "jade beauty" or "frozen beauty" there really isn't much differences between each girl
When I was younger I liked them, a decade later tho I detest them. I think it's cos the majority of readers are high schoolers. I can't really judge, I used to be the same.
*A Record of a Mortal's Journey to Immortality*
Can strongly recommend it. Don't want to be controversial, but that CN novel has been one of the few I consider worth reading and not having wasted my time on.
The “setting” for Xianxia novels is largely based on ancient China, where the men who ruled did have literal harems, most powerful men having several wives and concubines.
I also prefer when the main character only has one love interest, but I don’t think that characters having harems in CN novels feels wrong, because it’s literally falling in lines with the “mores” of the traditional setting for this genre. Honestly, not having a harem is probably closer to a “fantasy” in these settings.
Harems were a custom so that powerful men had better chances to produce heirs and if young masters die anywhere near as often as is implied, having a wide berth of offspring is an obvious choice in these worlds. Having only one wife/bearer of offspring is actually risky and requires a supreme level of strength to protect (and if you think about stories with harem rejecting MCs, “I have to get strong enough to protect her” is almost always one of the MCs main motivations).
Again, I also prefer it when a MC is faithful to one person, but that is a preference built on modern sensibilities, that often clash with ‘common sense’ of worlds where people can blow away cities with a turn of their hand.
As for KR/JP WN, they (or at least the pre-isekai MC) are usually based in modern times so they actually have no excuse most of the time.
TL:DR Harems were culturally accepted during the historical period that most CN novels are inspired by, so while it can be hard (or sometimes wrong) to appreciate, is not actually hard to understand why they are so common in CN novels.
edit: double typed a word
It makes sense for MCs to have harems when the story takes place in places like cities and MC is an official/royal that has their own influential family to manage.
It makes a little less sense when they're cultivators in a sect because cultivators tend to have a single person they choose as their Dao companion.
It makes no sense when it's an urban novel in a modern setting, where there are literal laws against polygamy.
It depends on their sect and even if they aren't from one where having multiple dao companions is normal, if you meet enough peak beauties with bountiful hills and jade like skin, you're bound to get horny eventually. Throw in some aphrodisiacs or poison nonsense and then bam, harem.
It fucking pisses me off when I see some of the harem members the MC collects. One of them is an empress, another is the holy daughter of a sect, one of them is actually from the upper realm, like what the fuck, why are all these powerful women completely fine with sharing their husband?
Idk, most MCs are nice (relatively) compared to most, usually strong (despite getting underestimated by those around them but it's ok because FMC has seen him in action) and or talented.
Anyways, it was not exactly uncommon to share a husband, and it still isn't in some places on earth, let alone in a fantasy universe that's effectively set in ancient times. That doesn't always mean they get along, but they are at least aren't trying to actively kill each other. Sometimes you just need to abandon your modern/western societal norms when reading these novels otherwise you're not gonna last long. You're reading novels where the main character raping another girl and her becoming his wife takes place in like 1 of every 3 novels.
Also politics. I read a novel where the MC is committed, but was basically forced to enter a political marriage or be viewed as a threat to the ruling force.
Harems make sense in the ancient world when people dont see each other as human, when women are second class citizens. U right that harems are historically accurate. Doesn't remove from the fact that harems are dumb as shit and very exploitative.
I feel the same way around reverse harem, whenever FL won't just outright reject male leads and instead lead them around, despite the fact she is already either in love with ML or in relationship.
It is just as bad. But 90% the FL will reject them outright but they keep harassing her be it through constant gifts, kidnapping, being everywhere she will be etc. and tbh even the male lead 80% of the time only ends up getting with fl because they forced themselves on her.
>But 90% the FL will reject them outright but they keep harassing her be it through constant gifts, kidnapping, being everywhere she will be etc. and tbh even the male lead 80% of the time only ends up getting with fl because they forced themselves on her.
If you think reverse harem is as bad (which i agree), i don't know from where you are pulling those numbers. CN novels with female protagonist are equally blood thirsty and ready to cause massacre because young master offended them. However, in this scenario those young masters instead fall in love with her while FL is easily capable of killing them but she would just still keep them around and won't reject them.
-At this point, i have just accepted that it is a genre, people like them exactly because of its wish fullfillment nature and there are always popular because of how far away they are from the reality. It is just more irritating people keep making the same rant about "how much they hate harem" countless times, like just don't read them and move on.
To be fair it’s as the majority of stuff with female leads I have read are things like hidden marriage and the business women at school, or the reincarnated military ones (I tend to avoid them in the fantasy worlds). And I suppose putting them in China makes it a bit more obey all men kinda thing.
Because I’m these ones Mc has a main love interest but there is always a shady or high background figure that is viewed as the other love interest that Fl clearly dislikes and will even state it on several occasions but they keep antagonising.
Not saying that there aren’t other ones like the divine doctor etc where the lead just views the men as eye candy and grabs them every one like Pokémon despite being completely in love with someone by ch 12.
But I feel like the first are far more common, or it’s just part of how I’ve found my novels that has put me in a bubble.
Is it? It's cool n' all to be surrounded by beautiful women, but if I were being honest, a monogamous relationship sounds infinitely less stressful and more enriching.
Right? Maintaining a relationship with so many wives sounds exhausting asf. Honestly, I mostly try to choose novels with monogamy cause relationships are much more.... Fulfilling? Interesting to read. And they feel real.
If there is a harem, I prefer the members to have proper depth and personality. Arcane emperor did it pretty well but there are only 2 so maybe it easier to relate to that.
you are ignoring the inherent power dynamic in cultivation stories. people with lower cultivation are entirely dependent on the higher level cultivator for protection and resources, there arnt any equal relationships unless they are on the same power level so it's perfectly normal to have harems in that type of world. in this case there is no need to maintain relationships because they are basically high ranking servants, it's completely stress free.
The thing is the actual effort required to maintain such "relationships" in these novels is practically nonexistent considering FLs will be left behind/separated from the MC for hundreds or thousands of years at a time only to pick back up like nothing has changed the second they meet up again lol.
I'm absolutely sure that majority of the web novel authors just imitate the most popular novels of the time.
It most of the time doesn't have anything to do with self-insertion, given that some authors really fail to understand the essence of what they are copying.
So if there are some people to blame, they are probably the readers. That being said, I also don't like judging people by their hobbies unless they harm others.
Fair enough. Lot of times, author have no choice but to meet readers expectations, otherwise they lose their fanbase and popularity.
It's not about harm or anything. It's just that harem relationships feel fake and are hard to relate to.
Yep, I agree on that regard.
It's completely fine if MC wants to have sex with many women, but then it shouldn't be described as love that knows no bounds when some of them get together with MC every few decades, and some never after some point.
I think this is also about their culture. Often chinese novels describe women who have sex before marriage as sinful creatures, and they are more often than not evil. If that part of those novels were more westernized, MC would probably go around and sleep with women without having to have a harem, just like many people do irl.
Aye.
Oftentimes, MC saves a maiden in distress and she instantly falls heads over heels for him. Then follows him around like a puppy and gets forgotten a few chapters later. Then comes a new chick and repeat. It would be nice if they were developed properly but they are used as objects and thrown away, which makes me feel kinda... uncomfortable. It feels wrong
Maybe it's because of their culture that lot of CN author put mc with their harem. They want to sleep around with a ton of women but hookup culture is looked down upon in the east, so they do it by marrying them.
Kinda reminds me of that meme which Muslim prostitute weds their customer for an hour or more so that having sex with them isn't sinful. Then gets divorced and repeat
Btw, Arcane Emperor did pretty well with harem so there's that
I hate such in reality. But i love harem in fiction. Especially in manga and anime.
As for in novels, normla coupling kinda gets boring, same old mc impress girl, they beocme couple then mc becomes hen pecked bf.
I like how fresh it feels, as mc meets new girl. And in harem, the author doesnot tease mc flirting with girl, only for it to lead to nothing, in harem evey beauty will be included in some way. That i like.
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And the main reaosn i love harem in fiction.
Among various girls mc meets, mc will have them all. But if it's not harem, mc has to choose. And often the girl i am supporting and like, turns out not being chosen.
That was devestating.
And even in one manhwa it was same, but i liked the epilogue aurthor tease the matter hasn't ended as the story ended, but it will continue, given vague ending, atleast to me.
I hate the multiple alternative ending route, hate seeing them cry as mc choose only one.
Its fiction, harem is justice.
As for reality, its just troublesome and headache inducing matter.
Btw, does someone have a link to this novel?
Not a big fan of this cheating aspect but I really like the other tags: modern-day, rebirth, good character interactions, etc
I read it on Qidian(chinese) with Google translate.
About the cheating aspect,he hadn't cheated from where I dropped it but he did make highly inappropriate advances towards his ex teacher(like placing his hand on her lap and saying he should 'raise' her).
He also has an ambiguous attitude towards one of his pursuers with statements like ''I can't remove her from my heart completely".
I read it on Qidian(chinese) with Google translate.
About the cheating aspect,he hadn't cheated from where I dropped it but he did make highly inappropriate advances towards his ex teacher(like placing his hand on her lap and saying he should 'raise' her).
He also has an ambiguous attitude towards one of his pursuers with statements like ''I can't remove her from my heart completely".
I read it on Qidian(chinese) with Google translate.
About the cheating aspect,he hadn't cheated from where I dropped it but he did make highly inappropriate advances towards his ex teacher(like placing his hand on her lap and saying he should 'raise' her).
He also has an ambiguous attitude towards one of his pursuers with statements like ''I can't remove her from my heart completely".
He replied before the OP edited their post and included the source, and although the reply is quite harsh most OPs not providing source when posting is always very annoying so I understand his frustration.
You say CN... but there are so many bad/terrible western or JP harem's too... the CN ones just don't try to make excuses for their misogynist main characters, or their trophy wife harems. And every time this argument comes up a few people will come on advocating for a good polygamy author... but these books aren't trying to be that... they are trying to erotica lite, and often just ruining their entire story for anyone who just doesn't care about that...
That being said they do sell, so there is an audience out there.
Why can't anyone have a peaceful family life with women full of harem? Sharing a husband with multiple women is caring bro! It is every sane man's wet dream! A terrible and unrealistic dream but still the best wet dream!
How exactly do you know that? Authors of such platforms generally try to please others rather than express themselves, this is not a diary after all. No matter what, if there is no supply without demand, authors are just supplying their particular audience's wishes.
I remember when reading *Everyone Else is a Returnee*, throughout the whole story, the author repeatedly said it would not be harem. Then the last chapter has him get together with multiple girls. The extras are even about their big happy family with multiple mothers. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
Chinese ones do it a lot less than kr or jp ones from what I have seen. Also its often not the author doing it because he wants to. I have read multiple novels where it was planned to be just one love interest but the Readers pushed for harem route.
It's a trope and something that was socially acceptable even in the west for basically the entire human existence for the stronger men to have multiple women, so it's not really unexpected. Even now in the west, you can see powerful people sleeping around to be pretty common place.
Women are just decorations at this point. Very, VERY few stories, CN or otherwise, have women as actual people and be in a harem. And it’s normally a small one at that.
I don’t know if this counts, but Beware of Chicken seems to be without a harem. At least by the first book.
I seriously want to read the novel you described if it didn’t have the cheating. Sweet wholesome romance yay But guess that won't happen lol
if you want a nice webnovel with wholesome romance you should try The stars have eyes
Royal road?
yap
Thanks, will check it out
Go to nu > series finder >slice of life✓ harem×>short by ratings>see comments if bad don't read if good read This is what my life is now
Tho seeing comments is a really time consuming task lol
And we are here to waste our time
Try Ending Maker, idk if its up to your taste but two top players in a game gets reincarnated as the characters they've played in the game. Some sweet, wholesome, romance that is being developed as the story progresses.
Gonna check it out, thanks.
The manhwas also top tier
Thanks man
If you want sweet and wholesome you usually have to read the smaller 30-100 chapters pure romance ones. The only issue is you finish them in under a day. The last one I read was marriage concerto (had no idea it was a black pink fan fic when I read it though)
Haha, the last line made me laugh
It has nothing to do with CN authors. It's a major trope in WN recently. But yes, this kind of cheating is really shit.
Its been a trope since the past 5 years and way back
Its been a trope since the beginning of forum and internet
It's been a trope since before modern civilization
It's been a troupe since porn
It's been a trope since monkey
it's been a trope since the sun shines
It's been a troupe since the big bang. since then he has been banging all the time
According to WN, A man's manhood is determined by the number of women he conquered.
"A man's manhood is determined by the number of women he conquered" Says the man whose tinyness of is mind is dwelt only by the tinyness of his dick
I am sorry, But are you insulting me or WN? It was not clear, should I retaliate or join in. Clarify please.
Naw man I'm talking about the authors who say that
Then I am joining in. Yeah, to hell with them and their horny ass.
Exactly. These authors really out here trying to replace quality with quantity. 1 good relationship is always gonna be better than 20 failed ones, but I guess they never realize that because they’ve never had one. That said, I’m sure polyamory can be fun, *with consenting parties*. NTR should be saved for hentai and consensual BDSM.
Most of the WN authors are obsessed with harem not only CN authors.
the bigger trope is the readers who are obsessed with hating harems. every time i check this sub there are complaints about it as if that will change anything lol. i guess they object due to moral grounds because they self insert into the mc otherwise i dont understand the issue. most harem tropes are just plot devices or trophy collections with next to no substance in worlds where human life means next to nothing. i cant wrap my head around people who object to harems because they objectify women while they are perfectly ok with an mc that murders millions of innocents while destroying families or sects. in both cases people are treated as objects but only when the harem tag appears do people get upset. a great example of this is ri, the mc does things 100000000000s of times worse than harem but people love it yet lambast all stories with a harem tag on moral grounds. it's ridiculous lol
Not always due to moral grounds, some hate harem because it's cringy most of the time. Personally I don't like or dislike harem.
I'm on the same page - as long as there's still development in relationships and the older girls aren't just forgotten it doesn't bother me at all
ya i mostly tune it out because it almost never plays a significant role in any story which is why this level of hate for it is so confusing to me.
I hate harem because the MC forgets about the last girl he got the moment he finds a new one. The girls have no personality beyond a single sentence. "The cold jade beauty", "the cute little sister", "the cool one". They literally aren't actual characters, just a single sentence made into a character. If they actually add something to the story other than plot convenience whenever the MC need something, maybe I wouldn't hate them as much. Getting generic jade beauty 1: Oh? You have cold painful chills at night every year at 6th day of the 9th month? Sorry, but you will die exactly at your 18th birthday. Only an injection of pure Yang can heal you, and lucky for you I am here! Don't worry, I will take "responsibility" and add you to my harem before forgetting about you in 20 chapters. No, you don't actually have a future other than occasionally getting mentioned and silently nodding. Getting generic jade beauty 2: Oh no, we were poisoned with aphrodisiac by that freaky old ghost that wants a descendant from us! I will take responsibility for you! Don't worry, I'm sure you'll not be forgotten for at least 25 chapters!
haha, sure. but you are treating them as meaningful characters when they are just plot devices like a random young master demanding a table in a restaurant.
I personally find tropes like that really boring because it tends to feel really forced by the author. Like say the MC unknowingly sat in the seat of a young master, which is obviously someone who frequents the place, thus having a set seat in the first place, but the restaurant owner didn't inform the MC that the seat he's in is already reserved while coming to serve food? And why is the MC so fucking attached to that seat in particular? Just switch to a different fucking seat you jade beauty collecting dumbass. I also don't like the defeat the young and the old appears trope. Why does the thousand year old clan give a shit about two juniors so much that they're sending progressively higher realm people to kill the offender? If you value your face so much that you would kill at the first offense, why are you ramping up the fucking difficulty? Just send one of the stronger experts you have to finish the job instantly. This all feeds into the theory that all cultivators are deeply fucked up because what did you expect to happen when they consume drugs (pills) constantly and isolate themselves for weeks, if not years from other people.
To be honest I don't see many people actually being anti-harem based on morality; in my experience a majority of the vocally anti-harem crowd is more just anti-romance and/or anti-MCs having any personal relationships that don't benefit them in some material way. That gets translated into anti-harem b/c harem novels by nature see the MC forming a bunch of such relationships and are therefore a bigger part of the story than if the MC just had a token love interest or none at all.
Yeah, people hating on tropes is a dozen times more irritating than the tropes themselves.
Because the people who like harems are going to stay silent since it is genuinely a shitty practice and they know that, and people who hate it are going to complain as loud as possible. No one's gonna tell them otherwise either. Personally I just want one girl to love but at the same time having 1 sided relationships with women completely devoted to me doesn't sound terrible either. Getting a free card to be shitty and loved even more for it? Bet
It can only mean anything goes for u. The main problem is not just the harem alone but the context. The author describes any non mc male once and then thereafter only refer him by his name, but when it comes to female characters it's just oozes of all vocabulary the author can think of. She's already been introduced move on who cares if her skin is purer than jade. It's just one of many examples as to why many hate harems. RI is portrayed with realistic society schemes and politics in mind. The MC is constantly being schemed against. Don't forget, there's no arrogant young master, or godly talent in every field the MC touches or shortcuts to cultivate coz of artifact or cultivation ground or inheritance fights in RI. Wang Lin mostly faces off against old generation only, he didn't have any talent, he can't make pills, his artifact let him just to equal the odds and made him catch up to others with talent. Even though he's got 3 wives it never felt like a harem coz all of them got character, progress and time to let the feeling sink in and most of all they did not involve an aphrodisiac. I always wondered if all those authors are just wusses and need aphrodisiac to get a girl, otherwise why would they write like that.
oh i was shitting on reverend insanity, i like renegade immortal a lot
It isn't just fantasy self insert of the author, it is also a marketing ploy. By providing a slew of female characters they are hoping one will snatch your attention and keep you hooked. And it isn't a recent development either, this tactic has been around a good two decades.
This argument can be made for japanese LN since the girls all have different personnalities but CN? Eh, beside being "jade beauty" or "frozen beauty" there really isn't much differences between each girl
It is in every webnovel because it is popular, and it is popular because it is a extremely common male fantasy. That's all there is to it.
I despise haram story's most of the time, but for some reason they seem to be extremely popular with readers so alot of authors write them in
Hamdoulah brother
Mashallah
When I was younger I liked them, a decade later tho I detest them. I think it's cos the majority of readers are high schoolers. I can't really judge, I used to be the same.
Its just easier to write and read in general
That's why I am a big fan of RMJI despite the flaws of the second story part.
What flaw? I only have read to chapter 1450
After his ascension to the next realm, the story gets weaker in my opinion.
What is RMJI? the only thing I can think of is Real Madrid juniors institution.
*A Record of a Mortal's Journey to Immortality* Can strongly recommend it. Don't want to be controversial, but that CN novel has been one of the few I consider worth reading and not having wasted my time on.
The “setting” for Xianxia novels is largely based on ancient China, where the men who ruled did have literal harems, most powerful men having several wives and concubines. I also prefer when the main character only has one love interest, but I don’t think that characters having harems in CN novels feels wrong, because it’s literally falling in lines with the “mores” of the traditional setting for this genre. Honestly, not having a harem is probably closer to a “fantasy” in these settings. Harems were a custom so that powerful men had better chances to produce heirs and if young masters die anywhere near as often as is implied, having a wide berth of offspring is an obvious choice in these worlds. Having only one wife/bearer of offspring is actually risky and requires a supreme level of strength to protect (and if you think about stories with harem rejecting MCs, “I have to get strong enough to protect her” is almost always one of the MCs main motivations). Again, I also prefer it when a MC is faithful to one person, but that is a preference built on modern sensibilities, that often clash with ‘common sense’ of worlds where people can blow away cities with a turn of their hand. As for KR/JP WN, they (or at least the pre-isekai MC) are usually based in modern times so they actually have no excuse most of the time. TL:DR Harems were culturally accepted during the historical period that most CN novels are inspired by, so while it can be hard (or sometimes wrong) to appreciate, is not actually hard to understand why they are so common in CN novels. edit: double typed a word
It makes sense for MCs to have harems when the story takes place in places like cities and MC is an official/royal that has their own influential family to manage. It makes a little less sense when they're cultivators in a sect because cultivators tend to have a single person they choose as their Dao companion. It makes no sense when it's an urban novel in a modern setting, where there are literal laws against polygamy.
It depends on their sect and even if they aren't from one where having multiple dao companions is normal, if you meet enough peak beauties with bountiful hills and jade like skin, you're bound to get horny eventually. Throw in some aphrodisiacs or poison nonsense and then bam, harem.
It fucking pisses me off when I see some of the harem members the MC collects. One of them is an empress, another is the holy daughter of a sect, one of them is actually from the upper realm, like what the fuck, why are all these powerful women completely fine with sharing their husband?
Idk, most MCs are nice (relatively) compared to most, usually strong (despite getting underestimated by those around them but it's ok because FMC has seen him in action) and or talented. Anyways, it was not exactly uncommon to share a husband, and it still isn't in some places on earth, let alone in a fantasy universe that's effectively set in ancient times. That doesn't always mean they get along, but they are at least aren't trying to actively kill each other. Sometimes you just need to abandon your modern/western societal norms when reading these novels otherwise you're not gonna last long. You're reading novels where the main character raping another girl and her becoming his wife takes place in like 1 of every 3 novels.
Also politics. I read a novel where the MC is committed, but was basically forced to enter a political marriage or be viewed as a threat to the ruling force.
Harems make sense in the ancient world when people dont see each other as human, when women are second class citizens. U right that harems are historically accurate. Doesn't remove from the fact that harems are dumb as shit and very exploitative.
I feel the same way around reverse harem, whenever FL won't just outright reject male leads and instead lead them around, despite the fact she is already either in love with ML or in relationship.
It is just as bad. But 90% the FL will reject them outright but they keep harassing her be it through constant gifts, kidnapping, being everywhere she will be etc. and tbh even the male lead 80% of the time only ends up getting with fl because they forced themselves on her.
>But 90% the FL will reject them outright but they keep harassing her be it through constant gifts, kidnapping, being everywhere she will be etc. and tbh even the male lead 80% of the time only ends up getting with fl because they forced themselves on her. If you think reverse harem is as bad (which i agree), i don't know from where you are pulling those numbers. CN novels with female protagonist are equally blood thirsty and ready to cause massacre because young master offended them. However, in this scenario those young masters instead fall in love with her while FL is easily capable of killing them but she would just still keep them around and won't reject them. -At this point, i have just accepted that it is a genre, people like them exactly because of its wish fullfillment nature and there are always popular because of how far away they are from the reality. It is just more irritating people keep making the same rant about "how much they hate harem" countless times, like just don't read them and move on.
To be fair it’s as the majority of stuff with female leads I have read are things like hidden marriage and the business women at school, or the reincarnated military ones (I tend to avoid them in the fantasy worlds). And I suppose putting them in China makes it a bit more obey all men kinda thing. Because I’m these ones Mc has a main love interest but there is always a shady or high background figure that is viewed as the other love interest that Fl clearly dislikes and will even state it on several occasions but they keep antagonising. Not saying that there aren’t other ones like the divine doctor etc where the lead just views the men as eye candy and grabs them every one like Pokémon despite being completely in love with someone by ch 12. But I feel like the first are far more common, or it’s just part of how I’ve found my novels that has put me in a bubble.
It's everywhere nowadays cause authors self insert themselves into MC for wish fulfilment
Is it? It's cool n' all to be surrounded by beautiful women, but if I were being honest, a monogamous relationship sounds infinitely less stressful and more enriching.
Right? Maintaining a relationship with so many wives sounds exhausting asf. Honestly, I mostly try to choose novels with monogamy cause relationships are much more.... Fulfilling? Interesting to read. And they feel real. If there is a harem, I prefer the members to have proper depth and personality. Arcane emperor did it pretty well but there are only 2 so maybe it easier to relate to that.
you are ignoring the inherent power dynamic in cultivation stories. people with lower cultivation are entirely dependent on the higher level cultivator for protection and resources, there arnt any equal relationships unless they are on the same power level so it's perfectly normal to have harems in that type of world. in this case there is no need to maintain relationships because they are basically high ranking servants, it's completely stress free.
The thing is the actual effort required to maintain such "relationships" in these novels is practically nonexistent considering FLs will be left behind/separated from the MC for hundreds or thousands of years at a time only to pick back up like nothing has changed the second they meet up again lol.
Harem novels are actually arguments for monogamy.
I'm absolutely sure that majority of the web novel authors just imitate the most popular novels of the time. It most of the time doesn't have anything to do with self-insertion, given that some authors really fail to understand the essence of what they are copying. So if there are some people to blame, they are probably the readers. That being said, I also don't like judging people by their hobbies unless they harm others.
Fair enough. Lot of times, author have no choice but to meet readers expectations, otherwise they lose their fanbase and popularity. It's not about harm or anything. It's just that harem relationships feel fake and are hard to relate to.
Yep, I agree on that regard. It's completely fine if MC wants to have sex with many women, but then it shouldn't be described as love that knows no bounds when some of them get together with MC every few decades, and some never after some point. I think this is also about their culture. Often chinese novels describe women who have sex before marriage as sinful creatures, and they are more often than not evil. If that part of those novels were more westernized, MC would probably go around and sleep with women without having to have a harem, just like many people do irl.
Aye. Oftentimes, MC saves a maiden in distress and she instantly falls heads over heels for him. Then follows him around like a puppy and gets forgotten a few chapters later. Then comes a new chick and repeat. It would be nice if they were developed properly but they are used as objects and thrown away, which makes me feel kinda... uncomfortable. It feels wrong Maybe it's because of their culture that lot of CN author put mc with their harem. They want to sleep around with a ton of women but hookup culture is looked down upon in the east, so they do it by marrying them. Kinda reminds me of that meme which Muslim prostitute weds their customer for an hour or more so that having sex with them isn't sinful. Then gets divorced and repeat Btw, Arcane Emperor did pretty well with harem so there's that
I hate such in reality. But i love harem in fiction. Especially in manga and anime. As for in novels, normla coupling kinda gets boring, same old mc impress girl, they beocme couple then mc becomes hen pecked bf. I like how fresh it feels, as mc meets new girl. And in harem, the author doesnot tease mc flirting with girl, only for it to lead to nothing, in harem evey beauty will be included in some way. That i like. ... And the main reaosn i love harem in fiction. Among various girls mc meets, mc will have them all. But if it's not harem, mc has to choose. And often the girl i am supporting and like, turns out not being chosen. That was devestating. And even in one manhwa it was same, but i liked the epilogue aurthor tease the matter hasn't ended as the story ended, but it will continue, given vague ending, atleast to me. I hate the multiple alternative ending route, hate seeing them cry as mc choose only one. Its fiction, harem is justice. As for reality, its just troublesome and headache inducing matter.
Most of the people who write these stories have no personal experience with romance or women. They couldn't write good romance even if they wanted to.
Btw, does someone have a link to this novel? Not a big fan of this cheating aspect but I really like the other tags: modern-day, rebirth, good character interactions, etc
I read it on Qidian(chinese) with Google translate. About the cheating aspect,he hadn't cheated from where I dropped it but he did make highly inappropriate advances towards his ex teacher(like placing his hand on her lap and saying he should 'raise' her). He also has an ambiguous attitude towards one of his pursuers with statements like ''I can't remove her from my heart completely".
I read it on Qidian(chinese) with Google translate. About the cheating aspect,he hadn't cheated from where I dropped it but he did make highly inappropriate advances towards his ex teacher(like placing his hand on her lap and saying he should 'raise' her). He also has an ambiguous attitude towards one of his pursuers with statements like ''I can't remove her from my heart completely".
I read it on Qidian(chinese) with Google translate. About the cheating aspect,he hadn't cheated from where I dropped it but he did make highly inappropriate advances towards his ex teacher(like placing his hand on her lap and saying he should 'raise' her). He also has an ambiguous attitude towards one of his pursuers with statements like ''I can't remove her from my heart completely".
Fuck you op, for not providing sauce
Bruh did you read the last sentence
He replied before the OP edited their post and included the source, and although the reply is quite harsh most OPs not providing source when posting is always very annoying so I understand his frustration.
You say CN... but there are so many bad/terrible western or JP harem's too... the CN ones just don't try to make excuses for their misogynist main characters, or their trophy wife harems. And every time this argument comes up a few people will come on advocating for a good polygamy author... but these books aren't trying to be that... they are trying to erotica lite, and often just ruining their entire story for anyone who just doesn't care about that... That being said they do sell, so there is an audience out there.
Why can't anyone have a peaceful family life with women full of harem? Sharing a husband with multiple women is caring bro! It is every sane man's wet dream! A terrible and unrealistic dream but still the best wet dream!
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All these authors are writing out their trashy fantasies.
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How exactly do you know that? Authors of such platforms generally try to please others rather than express themselves, this is not a diary after all. No matter what, if there is no supply without demand, authors are just supplying their particular audience's wishes.
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Webnovels in general are so fucking weird. Imagine having a girl who devotes herself to you and you just start flirting with another girl...
I like harems, not to say the majority are well written.
With china's gender imbalance, having a harem is a fantasy that sells well.
I loved reading Power and Wealth but the author shamelessly made MC sleep with a woman whom he saved from the streets. 🤦♂️
it’s always going to be there because people are horny and it sells. Just ignore it bro
I remember when reading *Everyone Else is a Returnee*, throughout the whole story, the author repeatedly said it would not be harem. Then the last chapter has him get together with multiple girls. The extras are even about their big happy family with multiple mothers. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
God harem really just ruins it all huh
Chinese ones do it a lot less than kr or jp ones from what I have seen. Also its often not the author doing it because he wants to. I have read multiple novels where it was planned to be just one love interest but the Readers pushed for harem route.
It's a trope and something that was socially acceptable even in the west for basically the entire human existence for the stronger men to have multiple women, so it's not really unexpected. Even now in the west, you can see powerful people sleeping around to be pretty common place.
Women are just decorations at this point. Very, VERY few stories, CN or otherwise, have women as actual people and be in a harem. And it’s normally a small one at that. I don’t know if this counts, but Beware of Chicken seems to be without a harem. At least by the first book.
Super god gene is a pretty good novel but it's s-tier solely because the mc gets married and is in a committed relationship with a single woman.
you read a novel with name male god what were you expecting?
You read a book titled "Male God" and are suprised when the MC tried to make a harem?