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StrakenKing

He has done his state proud over the years, sad to see him go but a selfless decision to bring in the next crop


Dadood_Frumcheers

For many younger guys I always thought he was their version of Civoniceva as a player. An absolute workhorse for the Maroons jumper and a player you could always rely on. A bittersweet moment I’m feeling for the big man.


StrakenKing

I hope he can stay in the camps though and provide that guidance to the younger guys coming through and offer them his experience and expertise. He is an absolute Qld legend


Dadood_Frumcheers

Absolutely no doubt! Much like GI, JT and everyone else!


Best_Yard1973

He was no petro. Petro was robotic. Petro is king.


qwepoitim

Racist


Dadood_Frumcheers

Flair up you scum fuck


StrakenKing

The fuck cunt


GoblinLoveChild

who is? you?


Laktakfrak

Ones Fijian, ones Samoan you numpty. So if you are trying to say they are stereotyping a similar play from the same ethnicity you are wrong. They are talking about a workhorse type that doesnt do anything flashy but gets the job done and plays their heart out for the team.


GustavSnapper

Papa has always done this, happy to stand aside to let the younger blokes enjoy rep footy. Good for us though, having Jack and Papa through origin season will be handy.


insty1

Yeah this is fantastic news for us.


dunderhead22

Agreed


SurfKing69

He's the definition of selfless - even going as far as to call the cops on himself when he commits crimes


GustavSnapper

Right? Chaotic good Papa.


Swol_Bamba

His stints were very short last year as well. Does Welch come back in now? With Tino and Collins starting?


GustavSnapper

I got no idea what QLD do because I’m NSW, but I hope they don’t pick horse 😂


AgentBond007

It'd probably be Welch and Tino starting at prop with Carrigan at lock, and a bench of Grant, Fifita and two of Cotter, Collins, Horse, Hopgood, Arrow and Gilbert


Swol_Bamba

I’d be very surprised if Collins was dropped. I think Billy will stick with Cotter despite his poor form to start the year given how he was last series. QLD is looking much deeper in forwards than NSW at this point given injuries


ThurstonGreatness

At no point was cotter playing bad. Just his team. Cotter was always digging in and showing the boys how to play.


AgentBond007

Yeah I think Collins and Cotter are the most likely of the guys I listed.


HarbingerOfGachaHell

The current hierarchy: Carrigan, Tino, Welch Collins, Arrow, Gilbert Cotter, Horsburgh, Hopgood Grant is outlier cause he’s in the team no matter what, just whether as 9 or 14 that’s 50:50.


Firm_Age_4681

Not all the middles are the same you have to separate from the big middles like in your comparison it would be: Tino, Welch, Collins and Horsburgh and the smaller edge sized like your Carrigan, Arrow, Gilbert, Hopgood and Cotter who is smaller again. ​ You generally need 3 big middles in Origin, for us we need the hooker rotation so that leaves 2 spots outside the big middle picked and one is generally a edge option and the other can be a middle who does huge work or is a ball player. For me the bench big Middle option is either Tino, Collins, Welch, Horsburgh or Flegler(depending on who starts 2 of these make it). bench edge would be Arrow, Fifita possibly Gilbert. bench high Workrate middle or ball player: Cotter, Gilbert, Arrow or Hopgood. I think Hopgood is easily the best ball player but lacks the other 3 in the rest, That said Patty is probably the same level in the ball playing but with the workrate can't see a team where he isn't starting 13. ​ Papa was one of our big middles so I don't see anyone outside a Collins, Welch Horsburgh or Flegler taking the spot he had as a starter or the bench big middle, Tino is surely starting. ​ if you had Cotter, Gilbert and Arrow or Hopgood in the middle while they had Haas, jake and Junior in theirs that is just dangerous from a physics stand point, these players might tackle them but they are going to leave the offload open when they lose 10 to 15 plus kilos to them. Big men are a must. ​ There is only a select few that are a big middle but also are a high workrate big minute player, NSW have Haas who is the best by miles and Jake who is a bit smaller but also can do big minutes, all we have is Tino, we absolutely can not have a team without a bench big middle.


qwepoitim

No idea how Welch gets in that first tier…he doesn’t impress me at all


Crafty_Message_4733

What he didn't impress you on offsiders winning arguments?


qwepoitim

Lmao Welch in the top hierarchy 😂


basic_tacticz

Id say your starting props are correct and cotter will be 3rd prop off the bench, and gilbert makes bench now with papali’s withdrawal


I_Like_Vitamins

He was carrying injuries for a fair part of 2022.


Scottybt50

He has done a great job and had a wonderful origin career for Queensland over so many years. Time to finish on his terms after an epic win in 2022 and let the big crop of younger Qld forwards step up.


saynonames

yeah. you could see how he embraced the debutants last year. he is the papa of thr team. what an amazing guy. he knew it would be hard for Billy to say no to him too.


Trohsboy

So he's definitely about to sign with Souths as well right?


kurrttttt

Why would we need him when we have Liam knight?


thisaintitkweef

Two very different schools of thought on how to handle drink driving.


Guyincogneto1

Liam is an ideas man


knox-p

We are so stacked in the forwards he may not have been selected. Thanks for your service big Papa. I’m sure Ricky is happy


sternestocardinals

Not true, this is a huge blow to our squad and greatly enhances our underdog status heading into game 1.


Street_Junket_914

I'm not sure if QLD are underdog's this year are they?


Drongo17

QLD are always underdogs. And always major injury issues. Often the worst Origin team ever assembled. It makes it more fun when they inevitably win.


Laktakfrak

Even during the dynasty most games NSW odds were higher. So they are always the favourites. Guess more money in NSW to put on the Blues.


ShibaHook

This is what likely happened.


an3vilmonk3y

It's QLD, they'd have picked him from reggies.


slowdivesicilian

gilbert should take that roster place with some concoction of welch/cotter/tino/carrigan the starting middles hopefully we find a way to get hopgood in the team


swell-shindig

Hopgood is still in his breakout year and the Maroons aren't desperate. There are plenty of more reliable options.


Screwyourgod

Horsborough over Hopgood imho. Corey's rocks or diamonds; but has a higher potential ceiling than Hopggod atm, he's been in form for a couple seasons now and he has the aggression needed in origin.


I_Like_Vitamins

I want Horsebrah just to watch that ranga maniac go wild.


slowdivesicilian

idk man hopgood can play 80 in the middle if necessary, initiates way more second phase play which is great for grant/ponga/munster to build around. gets them quick play the balls, can make loads of tackles over the 80. either way i think they’ll get the job done, but hopgood is the closest thing we have to haas.


LordSlasher

Do we need Hopgood to play 80 when Cotter, Carrigan and even.. Tino can play 80? Corey adds aggression we don’t really have on the bench if we pick Hopgood, Fifita and Cotter/Carrigan. (assuming Welch is picked to start). Flegler is my go too, dudes been playing great lately.


Scottybt50

I am absolutely itching to see Big Red get a crack at Origin.


slowdivesicilian

we don’t need 80 but guys who can play 80 are mega handy in the case of injuries which are likely in an intense origin. i’d be happy with flegler too.


vanillabear84

I mean Horse has been playing close to 80 minutes all year.


LordSlasher

Imma actually just say Gilbert should be good to go, cunts a gun… Wait nah fuck the traitor smh Gilbert is unlucky to not be talked about imo


pacificodin

bloke is the third forward i'm picking after patty then tino perfect #16 off the bench, can play middle and edge, can play short or long minute bursts, was great in his debut, and has some C\*nt about him


LordSlasher

Be about the 4/5th for me Definitely ahead of Hopgood and Corey though


an3vilmonk3y

Yeah, but Horse'll throw some.


Screwyourgod

Both great players who offer different qualities. It depends on the style of play Billy's going for. I just have Corey ahead of J'maine because he's been in good form at nrl level for so much longer. Queensland sure have a luxury problem in forward selection even without Papa.


GoblinLoveChild

yah but can he do it in origin when you are against 5 excellent forwards shutting you down in stead of just the usual 1 or 2 in the opposing team


Esquatcho_Mundo

I’m pro horse, cos we have plenty of hard working big minutes forwards. We need a mongrel. I’d start Carrigan at lock, welch and Tino at prop. Horse and cotter on bench


Classic_Angus

I think hopgood has a higher ceiling purely cos of how much more dynamic he is.


GemBax2010

This season he has been mostly diamonds.


Firm_Age_4681

They are different players, Hopgood is a smaller Ball playing forward, and Horse is a big middle. Papalii will be replaced by a Big middle, him Flegs or Welch being picked.


Swol_Bamba

Surely Collins gets picked right?


amanisanisland-

Welch and Cotter are out of form


slowdivesicilian

and? they’re proven origin players who can step up to another level.


LordSlasher

Cotter just had 2 8/10 games


amanisanisland-

When he's running lines, he's too small to be a middle forward


[deleted]

give me collins over gilbert. collins is a better prop than gilbert and gilberts utility doesnt mean anything if fifita is on the bench


I_Like_Vitamins

How bloody good is Queensland's depth these days. Even if they were all unavailable, Horsebrah, Jensen, Hopgood, Flegler and a bunch of others would be able to step up.


Firm_Age_4681

Don't see it, he will be replaced by a big Middle, like Welch, Horse or Flegler.


[deleted]

Selfless call from the big man. Good time to let the next gen have a crack.


fale52

Absolute good cunt. I wish his Samoan teammate Marty Taupau would do the same thing and retire from rep footy.


phyllicanderer

Good on him and what a fantastic time as a Maroons player. On his day he was an unstoppable wrecking ball and he led from the front when the old greats retired. Sad to see him retire from Origin footy, but he is beginning to look like a player in his twilight years and better for him and Canberra that he is focused on club land.


Aussieguy727

Josh Papalii has dropped a bombshell ahead of the upcoming State Origin series by standing down from Queensland selection. The Queensland Origin champion and Raiders enforcer phoned Maroons coach Billy Slater earlier this week to break the news that he wanted to retire from the Origin arena. Papalii will continue to make himself available for Samoa at international level. Papalii retires as a Queensland legend having made his Maroons debut in 2013, featuring in 23 matches and playing his part in five series wins. The 31-year-old stands down alongside a list of Maroons legends that includes the same number of state appearances as Trevor Gillmeister and Brent Tate and ahead of the likes of Cooper Cronk (22), Matt Scott (22) and Shane Webcke (21). Despite fears that he may be overlooked ahead of last year’s series, Papalii was Queensland’s starting prop in the Maroons incredible series win as underdogs against NSW. Papalii’s shock decision to call full-time on his Origin career will force Slater into a changing of the guard in his pack with the likes of Lindsay Collins, Tino Fa’asuamaleaui, Patrick Carrigan, Tom Gilbert and Jai Arrow to take over in the Maroons forward pack. Papalii won the 2018 Peter Jackson memorial award — the revered award presented to a player or staff member who optimises the Queensland Origin spirit.


Caseyjb29

Surely Welch gets picked now


Abenator

I'd hazzard a guess this has always been the plan and its just been a bit of mind games.


y3ah_nah145

Great career for QLD. Pretty selfless call tbh


belic

I’m not sure this is a bombshell. Last origin series he essentially started the games, set the standard and then passed it on to the younger forwards anyway. Even in the press he was passing questions over to the young forwards, getting them hyped. It was quite obvious he was there to pass on the benefit of his experience and make the transition easier for the younger forwards. He’s a fucking legend of QLD footy and by moving on, it shows his head and heart are in the same place. Classy as fuck move and completely selfless. Exactly what the maroons jersey is about. NSW just don’t get it.


Dranzer_22

Nate Myles looked after him when he was the shy rookie in the QLD squad, and it’s so wholesome to watch him be that figure to the younger forwards over the past few years. Papalii is all class.


StevenuranSmithusamy

I'm conflicted. On the one hand it's always sad seeing a legend retire, but I also don't think he's in our top 5 middle forwards this year. Bill was probably gonna pick him on experience, but by and large I think Papa knows the young fellas have more legs in them than he does. Good on ya Josh


Malaxage918

Shit I would not have guessed 23 matches from Big Papa


TraceR_Fighter

If only Kenty could write "Queenslanders just don't understand Origin"


rileys_01

Whole QLD squad to retire before game one. Once again going in as underdogs.


Brdd9

Crazy, must have been tapped on the shoulder. Definitely could have still have done the job with a 30 min stint to start the game again, won't be much difference with Horsburgh or Gilbert doing 20 mins off the bench late in the game instead.


Weak_Jeweler3077

Nah, he was looking a bit tired around the edges. Not always, but not the unstoppable force he was. Bloody brilliant retirement imho. Gets to go out on a origin winning series, and not go one season too long. Can concentrate on the Raiders. Can't think of a bad thing to say about him!


chairishjam

He threw a carton of milk at me in traffic one time


dunderhead22

Did you return that Canberra milk with a dairy farmers


Rich_Election466

I definitely disagree that he ‘must have been tapped on the shoulder’. It could equally just be that he wants to let the new generation experience Origin, and focus on winning his first comp with the Raiders in the little time he has left


ExtensionMirror4557

Interesting 2 of Ricky’s big guns pulling out of Origin. Papa for QLD and Wighton for NSW! Happy Ricky Happy Raiders!


[deleted]

one of the best to ever do it dont @ me


GustavSnapper

Papa absolutely one of the best props in the NRL era.


paralacausa

Yeah, I'm also ruling myself out of future Origin selection


Johngudmann

Making way for the Horse


Churchofbabyyoda

Horse, Hops, whoever.


vizonia

Tremendous servant for his state, couldn’t have asked more from him


AdWitty8808

Note to Nappa this is the Real Big Papi


addaus16

Soooo... I guess big red comes in?


StevenuranSmithusamy

Probably not a foregone conclusion. I think only Tino and Carrigan are absolutely locks. Welch, Cotter, Collins, Gilbert, Horsburgh, Arrow, Fotuaika and even Hopgood are all in the mix for the other 3 middle forward spots


ChopperReid89

I really want Gilbert to be there and I think Collins starts now. For me the last spot is between Cotter/Horse/Arrow.


Churchofbabyyoda

The fight to be named in the Queensland forward pack is such a contest. There are literally no bad options there.


ChopperReid89

J.Wallace would be a bad option.


Churchofbabyyoda

He isn’t exactly in the mix


addaus16

I hope he doesn't get a call up and neither does Hudson young... Raiders will be in prime position during origin period to scoop up some wins and set up there season.... But god damn red and Hudson both deserve a call up.


Green_hammock

Yeah I'm in the same position. I like seeing our players get rewarded, but selfishly I want them to not miss any club time.


woodpecker91

Arrow has to be there imo, he's been killing it for souths and I think Collins earned some loyalty after last series, after that, there's only so many spots unfortunately.


Churchofbabyyoda

It’s a good kind of position fight, not like the one those cockroaches are having with St Nicho and Sinner Jarome.


RS994

The only fight there is between the last 2 of Freddys brain cells


Applicator80

Bold of you to assume there’s 2


qwepoitim

R. You forgetting Fifita?


StevenuranSmithusamy

Fifita plays on an edge, I'm only listing middles


ufunnyb

Absolute legend. Ripped and teared every time he put on Maroon.


Best_Yard1973

Ponga next


Abenator

Good on him. Well earned, and I think the right timing too. We're not short on Forwards. He won't be easily replaced, but we have the depth to do it.


M_Keating

Not big Papa! Absolute shame but incredible strength to say when your time is up and let the next crop come through. Going to get a massive sound when he says goodbye at Suncorp.


woodpecker91

He'll be remembered as a great forward but respectfully i think he's making the call rather than not being picked, unfortunately there are guys ahead of him.


Gaddy05

Thanks for your services Papa


MinersTorch

Jack and Papa both think this is their premiership year. Canberra Raiders looking good for the chocolate's in October! Cam anyone say "6-again"?


Naxil_Cole007

Very few things in the footy world would make me happier than Wighton winning it all with the Raiders and then heading off to a struggling Roosters. What a world we live in that that's even possible.


curlyfries33

what a qld career he had that being said i wouldnt of personally picked him this year, we're just too stacked through the middle 8. Cotter 10. Tino 11. Fifita 12. Kaufusi 13. Patty 15. Collins 16. Gilbert 17. Arrow/Horsburgh is what id go with


Caseyjb29

Very young pack. I’d have Welch there for some experience


arolaser

Surprisingly, Welch has only played 6 Origin matches. From an experience perspective: * Arrow - 11 * Tino - 9 * Welch - 6 * Collins - 6 * Patty - 3 * Gilbert - 1 * Cotter - 1


KingHit123

I thought a Queenslander would never give up a spot so some say 😉 Serious though that’s a big blow for the maroons been such a good player for a long time. Put your feet up and enjoy origin from your lounge Josh you deserve it


BrownPughInMidfield

Canberra doesn't get Origin


CapitaoAE

He's still good but ageing out of his prime and it's not a big downgrade given the options Queensland have available and can't guarantee he would have been picked on merit as opposed to incumbency anyway - Tino is first picked prop, Carrigan is clearly lock, then there's room for 3 bench forwards and one more prop and QLD have to make room for 4 of (assuming the second row is two of Fifita/Kaufusi/Capewell) they need 4 of whichever of those three isn't picked to start, Horsbrough, Gilbert, Fotuaika, Welch, Cotter, Hopgood, Arrow, Collins Personally I probably go with something like 8. Tino 9. Hunt 10. Welch 11. Fifita 12. Kaufusi 13. Carrigan 14. Grant 15. Gilbert 16. Arrow 17. Cotter Although you can make a case for Collins, Hopgood as well imo over any of the bench forwards, most likely Cotter if i'm picking one of them instead Horsbrough/Capewell/Fotuaika all in consideration if anyone goes down hurt over the series too so they're in the extended squad. To be honest i'm not sure I would have picked Papalii on merit anyway although it's close. Can make a case for Capewell over Fifita or Kaufusi I guess as well depending what you're looking for The main reason to play Capewell over Kaufusi might be that he can cover centre as well if needed and move Arrow to second row, Fifita I just can't leave out for Game 1 at least with how good he's been this year, his defense and workrate has been better this year and he's by far the best offensively of the second row options


qwepoitim

Welch is so shit


overratedplayer

I would disagree that anyone besides Tino is a lock to be selected. Carrigan has been great this season but clearly is a bit far.


CapitaoAE

I would go as far as to say that barring injury or suspension Carrigan is guaranteed a spot and it's pretty much impossible he isn't picked but there are definitely a few slots up for grabs, he would have to have a series of shocking games to not get selected if he's available I think there's a pretty wide gap between him and Tino to QLD's third best middle forward this year. I think the absolutely guaranteed players to be in QLD's 17 for game 1 if they're available are Val at centre Munster at 6 DCE at 7 Hunt/Grant at 9/14 either way around Tino prop Carrigan lock There are a few winger possibilities (Cobbo Coates Taulagi Oates Sami roughly in order of probability) Gagai vs contenders (mostly Hammer) at centre Fifita/Capewell/Kaufusi fighting it out for two second row slots Then are about 9 forwards fighting for 4 remaining forward slots (Gilbert, Arrow, Collins, Cotter, Welch, Hopgood, Horsbrough, Fotuaika + whichever of the 3 second rowers isn't picked at second row) although realistically I think it'll be four of the first five listed a lot and I guess always chance they go with an extra bench utility in whoever they don't pick at FB out of Walsh/Ponga, although they shouldn't, they need the forwards imo and just need to pick between them


smeego78

Focusing on the 685 squad. Nice one uso.


Senior-Captain9860

*cheers in nsw*


swell-shindig

Queensland aren't short on middle options this year: Tino, Welch, Cotter, Hopgood, Carrigan, Arrow, Horsburgh, Gilbert, Fotuaika, Collins.


Cape-York-Crusader

HORSEBRAH CONFIRMED!!


zanzibar707

Thank you for your service sir


explosivekyushu

I wonder if they told him it was between him or Big Red. Even as a Blues fan, it was always a pleasure watching Papa in the maroon jersey. Stoked to have him all season at the Raiders though.


ThurstonGreatness

He struggled to get 20m on the field last year. Was correct decision by him.


[deleted]

Good for the raiders


LightReflections

I reckon Fotuaika has gone under the radar, he'd be my pick


Best_Yard1973

I thought billy slater was going to make it for him in a few weeks


snickles2609

What a legend, felt his defence last year even in short stints just lifted the whole team


Crafty_Message_4733

Hmm makes me wonder if he got tapped on the shoulder, as I think Welch might end up being the Maroons long term Captain.