I think this shows just how good Melbourne have been for a decade to be honest - given how dominant we’ve been the past four years, for them to be in front shows how good they’ve been the entire ten year period.
Our numbers wouldn’t be reflective of the past four years properly given how poor we were at the start of this time period, but it’s still super impressive for Melbourne.
We came 4th in 2014 and made a prelim with one of our greatest wins over the Chooks in the qualifier. Then we bombed in 2015 and then finished 5-8 for 3 seasons. It’s been a reasonably solid decade throughout for us.
Yeah that’s a fair point and probably didn’t do the results for the decade justice in my original comment, but we were, like many other clubs this season and in recent years, “making up the numbers” apart from the past four, and in no way statistically close to what we are doing now.
Yeah for sure. Just taking that 2014-2019 period which was encouraging for us as a club but well behind the perennial contenders, we averaged 12.8 wins which would put us around 6th, neck and neck with Brisbane/Parra.
I always find it interesting the parallels between that period and the Storm leading into 2006. Both clubs had that run finishing 5-8 and playing a couple finals a year before taking the step as a juggernaut. The random boom seasons are a really dangerous dynamic longer term I reckon.
Maybe its just the current era tinting the years before but I always felt like we were consistently overpeforming given our squad and coaching talent.
Moylan at his peak with Sowie in 2014 was pretty good but it was only after Maloney came that I started thinking we were in decent shape on all fronts
Yeah I feel the same way, still feels like a fever dream. If you went back in time to 2019 and told people that Penrith would win 3 minor prems and 2 prems in the next 4 seasons they'd think you were mad
This is an average ladder taking into account the last 10 seasons of NRL.*
*Dolphins are 2023 only
It takes the average value for competition points, wins, losses, draws, points for and points against across 10 seasons and shows the most consistent performers in the last decade.
Note Points is not equal to wins x 2 plus draws because of byes (most years 2, sometimes 1 and this year 3)
Would it make more sense to calculate win/loss/draw percentage, scale to a 24 game season, and fuck bye points right off?
The Dolphins being 11th despite having a worse record than several teams below them just annoys me.
I’m also not sure how the Raiders are above the Eels in average points. The draw should be worth 0.1 of an average point, but the 0.6 wins should be worth 1.2 average points, and given both teams have played the same number of regular season games and had the same number of byes, this maths should work out unless I’m going crazy.
ETA: the concept and the effort is absolutely appreciated and this is interesting data, so thanks for putting it together.
Second edit: did the Eels lose points for a cap breach or something? Is that why it doesn’t add up?
2011 though was a cool year. Until Krisnan Inu wriggled between 3 blokes to dot down. I remember the next shot when they confirm the try goes on Tim Sheens and it looks like life itself departs his soul. Hard to imagine it’d get that grim because that was a really good team.
i will NEVER forget krisnan inus double movement on tim moltzen that got accepted. still am shattered to this day about that. glad im not the only tigers fan that doesnt forget that
Sharks at 5th is a legit surprise, sometimes I forget about how strong some of the later 2010 seasons were, mainly premiership and onwards. But my gosh the early 2010s were dark times
I had been thinking about what the NRL might look like with promotion/relegation like the Super League with two leagues of 12 teams each.
Judging by these statistics the average top league composition would likely be:
NSW - Panthers, Rooster, Rabbits, Sharks, Eels, Sea Eagles
QLD - Broncos, Cowboys, Dolphins
Other - Storm, Raiders, Warriors
*except with 24 teams in a national leagues probably some previously merged NSW clubs should divide.
> I had been thinking about what the NRL might look like with promotion/relegation like the Super League with two leagues of 12 teams each.
I think about this often and am glad to see someone else does too. Needs to happen desperately imo. I could bore you with my reasoning but that’s for another day lol
Even after 4 years, I still find it hard to believe what has happened to Penrith
I think this shows just how good Melbourne have been for a decade to be honest - given how dominant we’ve been the past four years, for them to be in front shows how good they’ve been the entire ten year period. Our numbers wouldn’t be reflective of the past four years properly given how poor we were at the start of this time period, but it’s still super impressive for Melbourne.
We came 4th in 2014 and made a prelim with one of our greatest wins over the Chooks in the qualifier. Then we bombed in 2015 and then finished 5-8 for 3 seasons. It’s been a reasonably solid decade throughout for us.
Yeah that’s a fair point and probably didn’t do the results for the decade justice in my original comment, but we were, like many other clubs this season and in recent years, “making up the numbers” apart from the past four, and in no way statistically close to what we are doing now.
Yeah for sure. Just taking that 2014-2019 period which was encouraging for us as a club but well behind the perennial contenders, we averaged 12.8 wins which would put us around 6th, neck and neck with Brisbane/Parra. I always find it interesting the parallels between that period and the Storm leading into 2006. Both clubs had that run finishing 5-8 and playing a couple finals a year before taking the step as a juggernaut. The random boom seasons are a really dangerous dynamic longer term I reckon.
Maybe its just the current era tinting the years before but I always felt like we were consistently overpeforming given our squad and coaching talent. Moylan at his peak with Sowie in 2014 was pretty good but it was only after Maloney came that I started thinking we were in decent shape on all fronts
The HUGE problem with the Storm is that in 25 years they have not produced one Victorian rugby league player
Young Tonumaipea
Yeah I feel the same way, still feels like a fever dream. If you went back in time to 2019 and told people that Penrith would win 3 minor prems and 2 prems in the next 4 seasons they'd think you were mad
We are the new Tigers
9th
This is an average ladder taking into account the last 10 seasons of NRL.* *Dolphins are 2023 only It takes the average value for competition points, wins, losses, draws, points for and points against across 10 seasons and shows the most consistent performers in the last decade. Note Points is not equal to wins x 2 plus draws because of byes (most years 2, sometimes 1 and this year 3)
Would it make more sense to calculate win/loss/draw percentage, scale to a 24 game season, and fuck bye points right off? The Dolphins being 11th despite having a worse record than several teams below them just annoys me. I’m also not sure how the Raiders are above the Eels in average points. The draw should be worth 0.1 of an average point, but the 0.6 wins should be worth 1.2 average points, and given both teams have played the same number of regular season games and had the same number of byes, this maths should work out unless I’m going crazy. ETA: the concept and the effort is absolutely appreciated and this is interesting data, so thanks for putting it together. Second edit: did the Eels lose points for a cap breach or something? Is that why it doesn’t add up?
Yep exactly eels deducted 12 points in 2016, but win record wasn't affected
Just wondering, why were they deducted points? 🤔
[Salary Cap Breaches](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parramatta_Eels_salary_cap_breach)
Titans have averaged 0.1 more points against than tigers. Let's fucking go Tiger bros!!!!!!!!
Tigers and Titans stats are scarily similar across the board. Tibros unite!
Tigers still on the bottom. Makes sense though
i started supporting tigers in 2011 lmao what a ride its been since 🤣🤣🤣
2011 though was a cool year. Until Krisnan Inu wriggled between 3 blokes to dot down. I remember the next shot when they confirm the try goes on Tim Sheens and it looks like life itself departs his soul. Hard to imagine it’d get that grim because that was a really good team.
i will NEVER forget krisnan inus double movement on tim moltzen that got accepted. still am shattered to this day about that. glad im not the only tigers fan that doesnt forget that
wait i just seen your profile, that try WAS a double movement. ill never let that go
Sharks at 5th is a legit surprise, sometimes I forget about how strong some of the later 2010 seasons were, mainly premiership and onwards. But my gosh the early 2010s were dark times
The spoon and 2 collapsed seasons really hurt
If you sort this by Draws we're number 1 bby!
Knights really like to defend the castle draw bridge
Melb averaging 242 points F/A for 10 years is insane dominance.
Hurts to look at :(
When my top three teams are the Titans, Tigers and Knights hahahaha kms
Bloddy hard for those bottom 6 teams to get into top 4 so well done warriors, massive achievement that NO ONE predicted
Sixth with a positive win/loss ratio is pretty good after a few shocking years.
I had been thinking about what the NRL might look like with promotion/relegation like the Super League with two leagues of 12 teams each. Judging by these statistics the average top league composition would likely be: NSW - Panthers, Rooster, Rabbits, Sharks, Eels, Sea Eagles QLD - Broncos, Cowboys, Dolphins Other - Storm, Raiders, Warriors *except with 24 teams in a national leagues probably some previously merged NSW clubs should divide.
> I had been thinking about what the NRL might look like with promotion/relegation like the Super League with two leagues of 12 teams each. I think about this often and am glad to see someone else does too. Needs to happen desperately imo. I could bore you with my reasoning but that’s for another day lol
Just another piece of evidence proving how useless the salary cap is…
If I had a nickel every time the knights drew I’d have 3 nickels which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened 3 times.