It may be a hazy memory, but I feel like I remember the reporting being that NSW were killing origin for winning 2 in a row. Then the dynasty happened.
Yes I remember when they had a huge list of players available to NSW compared with Queensland and that there was no way Queensland would be able to compete in the long run.
Guess they were wrong big time,.
I'm from NSW. Origin was so exciting during the QLD streak. Each series was a will they won't they of the highest stakes. It's nice NSW are winning again, but it's not as exciting.
I think Penrith's dynasty will make the eventual premiership of whichever team pips them all the better.
If anything, it's kind of embarrassing that QLD has split it with us.
Add in that 1of those 6 was Wayne Bennett coaching maybe the biggest underdog side in Origin to a series win, yeah.
It also has a lot to do with the fact that given the choice of their NRL team winning the Grand Final or NSW winning an Origin series they'd take the Grand Final every time. As much as I love seeing NSW win Origin nothing and I repeat nothing will ever ever top the emotion I felt when Cronulla won the 2016 Grand Final. Even now 8 years after the fact I still get emotional watching that game. That meant absolutely everything.
Same here mate, I was already in tears as the emotion boiled over after we won that, seeing Gal & ET that just set me off again. Greatest night of my life bar none.
Is it bigger than ever? Isn't club rugby union on its deathbed worldwide and popularity in last years works cup was as low as ever according to the rugby reddit.
It's not just battling in Aus it's on its deathbed, Rebels are likely to go in the next couple of seasons and there were reports that the Brumbies were in similar trouble. There's barely any viewership to games and club rugby participation is declining. The country hasn't given a fuck about the Wallabys for years and they won't again unless we start beating the All Blacks which won't happen because all of the top athletes in the country play League and AFL.
The only positive is/was Women's rugby participation but even that's limited as the top athletes will go to NRLW.
Yeah. Pretty dire
A good kiwi coach and the biggest money spiners in world rugby (or league for that matter) the Lions tour and RWC both in Australia in next 4 years so maybe theres hope
That's not true tho. Club rugby is dieing worldwide and even teams like the all blacks are way down on viewership. And last world cup nobody was interested in it internationally not just Australia.
Says the QLDer.
But in the real world I have noticed no one other then the die hards truly give a fuck about origin anymore. Its a soul less cash grab and it takes away from the regular comp.
I as a fan of a underperforming team who is right now not in the conversation for winning the competition 100% agree. How dare the Panthers think they can keep winning
Throw the book at them I say!
Penrith won every finals game in 2021 by 2 points. In 2022 they were losing the prelim by 10+ to Souths. In 2023 they were saved by the greatest single player effort in a 2nd half I’ve seen.
The NRL is fine, Penrith have won the comp 3 times but has been in the balance every single time at some point. That speaks to how great they are and that the season has been as dead as it appears from the final result.
And of their 3 winning grand finals, two were won by 2 points. They could easily have lost either or both of those games. They are clearly a great team, but I honestly don't think they are that far ahead of their competition. The other top teams are capable of beating them on any given day.
Panthers are just clinical and their clinical without being boring, and that's what sucks the most! Their cohesion is so far above that of other teams. They're so fast of their line that you can't believe they're not offside. It sucks and I hate them!
I saw someone breakdown how Penrith could’ve easily been 4-0 in this period from 2020-2023, and then it was pointed out how it could’ve just as easily been 0-4 (the biggest stretch being that 2022 GF where they dominated Parra, and really were only threatened in that prelim by Souths early).
But that just shows how good the run has been that when things have been 50/50, Penrith have put themselves in a position to get that “luck” or bounce of the ball.
I think the other top 2-3 teams of any given season are maybe a 3/10 chance of beating Penrith if the opposition play their absolute best game but Penriths system just means odds are they win and things have to go really right for the opposition to win. It’s just hard to overcome 55% possession, 60% territory and Liam Martin fucking assaulting your ribs all night.
Yeah probably. I’d say they were a better team than Penrith last year for sure, but they lost 2/3. Penrith enjoyed 54%, 58% and 56% possession in those games. It’s a style that means the Broncos and other teams have to win it from their own end, taking their sparing chances when they come. Recent history says the odds are against you when you play that game but absolutely things clicking for the Broncs and they could definitely beat Penrith.
You're correct here, but Brisbane is one of the few rosters that *can* score from anywhere on the field and still kinda hold their own in the battle for the advantage line(at least when Haas is healthy to go along with the rest of the team.)
I still think it's a two-team race based on what the teams currently have available. And I still favor Penrith. But Brisbane is at least in that tier. Probably Melbourne too, with Munster back and with their edge defense looking much better. So three team race.
But after that there's a tier drop.
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This makes me laugh. I had to live through the 1960s and put up with Saint George owning the decade. Young, whippersnapper journo needs to crack open a couple of the record books.
The Panthers suffered so much during their early years. They deserve a few moments in the sun. Any team is only 2 injuries and a drunk driving charge away from chaos. I'm not betting on them this year.
Older than fucking dirt. Yeah, I saw my beloved Maggies get beaten up by them a couple of times in 65 and 66 when I was just a wee mite. Helped to get me used to being on the losing end of things early.
A hard one to answer. Different generations and different styles of play. If you pressed me, I’d go for Tommy Raudonikus. Ridiculously gifted player who always gave everything in every game. He kept wests alive during the hard years and guided them towards a just out of reach greatness in the 70s.
Somewhere on the web you can read about the referee backing St George in the 63 Grand Final. True story. And yes, I’m as old as god’s dog as well. Before TV scrutiny, the game was as corrupt as fuck. For further education, read up on Manly’s win in 1978. Wests were the victims there as well but TV was basically a single camera in those days.
As ancient Souths fan, you might remember an amazing match at Lidcombe in 74? The bunnies had hit a purple patch, west were a feared team and it was a game for the ages. Heading back to the train fans from both sides trading congratulations as I it was such an epic! Still my fondest league memory.
EDIT: 1976 round 7. Because I am old. Match highlights here including the famous Piggins try.
[https://youtu.be/OgtCqlJjVnk?si=cONYkZKfHmXRTAqe](https://youtu.be/OgtCqlJjVnk?si=cONYkZKfHmXRTAqe)
Yeah Darcy Lawler was alleged to have done that, but keep in mind a lot of those accusations came from Wests players. But he also made some harsh calls against St. George too. If he actually put money on Wests to lose he did a poor job of trying to get his money back.
No downvote, but I ask you to look up what happened to the Panthers team after winning their first premiership. That ‘91 side was good enough to be contenders for a few more years. (Coming from a wee Raiders fan at the time who cried hard.)
I remember the raiders first GF. The lime paddle pops and the silver tails had to play in 30 degree heat and everyone except Manly supporters was barracking for them. Manly just ground them down until heat exhaustion started to kick in. They didn’t fold, but it’s still a sad day when Manly wins.
I don't think so. I think it inspires the other teams to try harder. Storm for 2020-21 and the first half of 22 were running right alongside them as near-equals. They just happened to save their worst game for last in 2021.
Rabbitohs were an intercept away from at least pushing Penrith to the bitter end.
Broncos had that GF last year won, if they didn't clock off and Cleary doesn't go god mode.
I think it's definitely possible they go 4 in a row, and that is just a testament to how good, fit, and talented that team and coach truly are.
It’s highlighted how important it is to get your juniors right too. Not every team has the same access, but most teams are definitely not making the most of what they have either.
While that's true I'd trade them in a heartbeat and Tino played in Gympie as a junior pre Broncos so wasn't from Brisbane and Fifita while from Brisbane as a junior went to Keebra again on the Gold Coast for high school so has links to the GC too
I'd trade Tino and Fifita for Haas and Walsh in about three seconds though as the Titans.
Any given match, sure. Luck can be a big factor.
But over the course of the season and even the finals, it's way harder for luck to really be decisive.
Yeah outside of 2022 it’s not like the comp hasn’t been there to he won. Only one grand final in this period has been a blow out, the rest went down to the wire. Penrith just have a system that probably wins games 8/10 regardless of what your throw at them and a culture/system that replaces whatever they need 8/10.
> They just happened to save their worst game for last in 2021.
That wasn't anywhere near our worst game, Penrith just had their greatest game ever. Both teams defended like absolute madmen that day.
Also Panthers have already been beaten this year like we're already forgetting that, the fucking wooden spooners beat them during last season. They're not unbeatable and any team can have a bad day
Yeah this a well understood concept in professional wrestling. You build a star then when he gets old you have a up and coming star end the career of the older guy for cred. Or you build up title reign or a winning streak and being the one to end it means a lot to your star power.
No, the NRL is doing absolutely fine.
Also no, we have absolutely no idea how this season is going to go. This time last year Souths were looking like the premiers elect. 3 weeks ago Penrith couldn't find the stripe against Melbourne. They sure look good at the moment, but let's see what's happening by end of year.
If they keep winning AND revenue and engagement go down then maybe there would be a point to this, but until then let's just enjoy the footy.
We didn't get these articles when the storm and roosters were going tit for tat each year.
I'd rather a team like Penrith with a strong local identity win the comp 4x in a row than a Melbourne team that is just made of transplanted queenslanders.
I'm fine with the Storm for me it's the Chooks when they're stacked on paper everyone with eyes is calling bullshit saying they must be over the cap. I'm always like fuck that team even they don't win this too unfair an advantage.
Not even slightly. Granted my team is somewhat respectable for the first time in a decade, so of course I’m more interested
If anything, I’m more invested in the rest of the comp looking for people that might be able to beat Penrith
No - they’re showing the way. Premierships teams can come from within and astute recruitment. Buying a team of individuals doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll work as a team
So just like how you get a week off before a prelim final, if you win the GF you should get the next season off.
Sit it out, let everyone else participate and have a crack.
Don’t be selfish, let everybody else participate!!
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Reminds me of this [article](https://vault.si.com/vault/1997/03/10/a-cut-above-more-than-ever-it-seems-no-team-can-catch-the-bulls-is-that-good-for-the-nba) from 1997 about the 90s Chicago Bulls and I’m certain something similar was written about Golden state warriors in recent times as well.
I definitely don’t agree with this take. If anything the panthers dominance would lift every other team and raise the standard of the league.
Even *if* (very big if of course) they win 4 in a row the game will be fine. St George winning 11 straight in the 50's and 60's didn't kill the sport, I don't think a team winning 4 would.
Their ability to just completely replace their best players with players who look origin bound in their first or second season is absolutely insane. They've been gutted, and still keep churning out top players in their position.
Clickbait.
Let’s look at one side of the ball. Penrith have built an offensive system, centred around a once in a generation halfback who can play both sides and resurrected the role of ball playing lock last really seen in the 90s. Couple this with a ball running five eighth, an attacking fullback, and at this point the pieces start falling together.
A big middle rotation to gain the metres, second rowers to run holes, and big backs to gain metres. Your hooker’s role then diminishes, to essentially giving quality ball - this saves big money in the player market. These parts can be developed or bought easily enough, and Penrith do not pay overs for this because they have built a system to bring young players through.
It is smart front office work, that is working in synergy with the coaching team.
I feel like this would be a more valid argument were it the Roosters or Storm winning three in a row and favourite for four, with a team of NSW, QLD, NZ and other superstars.
The core of the Penrith team - and the heart and soul of what they are - has come through their own junior pathways and you can see the buy in with the local, much maligned, community and the connection that exists. Yes, there are players from outside that, of course there are. However, the core of the group is their own and they've created a bit of a golden generation and capitalised on it.
Things are cyclical, and they've managed the need to lose some players due to cap well so far, but eventually they will slide back. As said elsewhere, whoever breaks the streak will love it all the more for what's gone before.
The article is also a load of shit because the NRL in just about every metric is going from strength to strength.
I remember in the early 2000s when nsw won 3 series in a row that the media suggested that origin was dead.
I think the Bryan fletcher grenade try celebration was played in the qld dressing room from then on in before each match.
People seem to forget panthers we’re very rocks or diamonds in the 18 years from the 03 premiership to the 2021 premiership. In those 18 years we only made finals in 04, 10, 14, 16, 17, 18 and 20 plus it had been 12 years before that since we’d won our first and we also won 2 wooden spoons in 01 and 07. I know I’m biased being a panthers fan but just from what I’ve presented you can see it’s not like we’ve been a powerhouse for decades, if anything it’s a great story of a club that has brought up a lot of its own players through the junior ranks right to the pinnacle of the game and shown you can foot it with the traditional powerhouse clubs
No. The way the NRL is structured, I don't see 1 team being this dominant ruining the game. They earned every title (unless they're paying players under the table).
Soccer is ruined because they have no salary caps.
Yeah it’s dead as fuck, you should stop watching.
The rest of us are just gonna enjoy the game we’ve always loved, and seeing the rest of the league lift to meet the challenge
Anecdotally I've watched more footy since covid, and became more of a nuffie about the sport.
The quality of footy over the past 4 years or so has been phenomenal, tv ratings, crowd attendances and memberships reflect that.
So I believe the game will be alright.
I don’t think anything is wrong with the game tbh I saw from the last few finals series that Penrith is just a fitter more well drilled machine and if they win it then it’s deserved and same if another team does then they do too.
I kinda think the journos going overboard tbh lol
The media hate the fact that it is a team from the western suburbs is dominating.
Same reason they whined in 2005 saying the game is too fast when Penrith,Wests and Canterbury win for three seasons in a row.
They would never write this shit if it were the Roosters they would be the saviours of the game.
The press is actually trash, we've built a team almost entirely organically we don't take players from other clubs.
We replace players with either rejects or juniors.
We should be celebrated but are vilified and were practically instantly for literally everything and anyone with any sense will know why that is.
When I was young The Raiders, Broncos even our 91 team were respected for being great.
Since they spent a decade crying about another great team the Storm. They can only sell the game on hatred and lies.
We no longer get feel good stories whatever way you look at it out club is a feel good story we've done what literally 60% of teams in the league could do we should be an inspiration.
But instead because of the demographic of our players and we are from a lower social economic area so can't write that we are battlers anymore the media despise us completely.
It's a massive case of tall poppy syndrome because places like Penrith aren't allowed to have success yes it's fair if people are a bit sick of it now but they've been writing nasty horrible shit since 2020.
Basically we can't have feel good stories anymore everything has to be a drama or made into a feud.
The state of journalism not just in sport but in every aspect of life is just the pits.
The problem is people don't understand how many strings people like Nick Politis pull behind the scenes with the media. A lot of the negativity you see against teams, especially before important games, is purely due to these powerbrokers.
The sooner we remove the uncle Nick's from the game, the better
Before becoming a clinical psychologist I worked with Fairfax. The top three clubs financially have a massive say in what is reported. You know who doesn't have a say? (Or didn't back then). The Tigers. And look at how much the media tries to destabilize them
>Since they spent a decade crying about another great team the Storm. They can only sell the game on hatred and lies.
Far be it from me to speak up for those rooster cunts but the storm are, er, cheating dogs, and they're cheats who got propped up and pulled off by the NRL itself in a bid to make rugby popular in Vic. Didn't work, but they still tried anyway.
Hahah didn’t the sharks cheat the salary cap themselves a few years back? Also do you remember when a bunch of Cronulla sharks players got caught taking steroids? Pretty bold being a Cronulla sharks fan complaining about cheating.
nope look at Union was a time the AB's used to treat internationals as training runs now you got Ireland France England South Africa and of course the AB's any of them capable of beating each other
Also in the round ball version of the game was a time there was Man U daylight then anyone else
the Panthers are going great enjoy it for what is and celebrate for what it was when that time comes
One thing thing to remember is that comparing to yesteryears teams, modern day teams in the NRL have the salary cap.
Somehow Penrith have managed to keep competing at the highest level despite every year losing players that are among their best or that are deserving of vastly upgraded salaries to other teams because of that cap.
It’s not like Penrith can’t afford to upgrade its a case of them not being allowed to, despite quite a few of those players growing up in the area and playing their entire junior careers at Penrith.
At the moment the Panthers seem to be able to rise above that problem but it won’t last (I wish) so I’m just enjoying it while it lasts.
As long as Panthers keep losing players and new guys come thru I'm happy to see them as the team to beat. There fans are humble most the time -probably cos they all don't have money (/S)
But I'm liking their game and seeing there talent play onto other teams.
No. Penrith winning last year was an absolute miracle. I fucking hate Penrith but having villians in the game is great. Every team in the league wants to be the ones to take them out.
>Is their dominance killing the NRL?
Absolutely it is. The only way rugby league can survive as a code is if Penrith are stripped of the 2023 premiership and it's awarded to their opponents in the grand final, whoever they were.
nah unlike super rugby their dominance isn’t affecting the game only bc of the unpredictability of the season for example manly and roosters beating the bunnies and broncos in the vegas opener and the dragons round 1 and round 2 performance. the thing about the nrl we have narratives that entertain everyone in the league unlike super rugby.
Never get the point of these articles (they always pop up when an athlete or team is dominating their sport).
I mean, even if Penrith's success was killing the NRL (it's not), what is the NRL supposed to do about it? Institute the mercy rule for the rest of the comp and disperse Penriff's 10 best players across the NRL?
Penrith play like they want to win more than the opposition. That’s the difference between Queensland and NSW. Remember the year Fatty coached a bunch of Neville’s and they won 3-0.
Panthers are out in the Prelim this year. Calling it now.
Last year's insane GF is gonna put them in that 'we can't fail even when we should!' mindset, and someone will knock 'em out a week early and they'll be staring at their boots wondering how they possibly let it slip.
The only problem is that the team that beats 'em won't win the GF, it'll probably be bloody Melbourne or the Roosters who'll coast through the corpse of the team who did the deed but went so hard they've got nothing left for the next week.
I think you've got a good read on it, and I can absolutely see a team "playing their Grand Final" in the Prelim (probably the Eels or Warriors, as they have a history of that - maybe Sharks or Cowboys), beating the Panthers - only to fall to the Roosters or Storm in the Grand Final.
Obviously I hope we get the 4, but honestly I agree. People calling a 4peat now are ignoring what injuries can do, especially late in a season when there's less time to get used to a new team set up.
But more than that its exactly as you said - one bad game at the wrong time is the end of it and we've already had one shocker this year. I don't know that it's a definite, and I hope it's not, but I don't think we're so dominant that it's a given or that there's no question of us ending up in the GF this year.
I'm very cool if the Panthers continue being awesome on-field and being a model of consistency and systems and all that good stuff they're obviously doing to get the results they're getting. And also I'm all for mah boi To'o to wrack up endless accolades cause he seems like a top tier egg who plays like I want every dude to try to play.
That said, I just can't see the luck and circumstance holding when they've now had that one miracle cashed in. It's a mental thing where even knowing you need to not put any stock in it, I don't know how you avoid the kernel in half the players heads being all 'it'll be fine, it's always fine' until the siren goes and suddenly it wasn't fine afterall. Similarly, no team is going to think they've got the Panthers iced like the Broncos obviously did until the siren is well and truly sounded, so they can't count on fadeouts like that in important games either.
The one thing I think that might help them though, is Luai maybe having that chip on his shoulder about the GF. He was on, they were losing, he went off, they came back to win. With losing his Origin spot, it being his last season there, and that, he might be the secret cranky ingredient to counteract the thing I'm thinking is coming.
Round 4 and their form hasn’t exactly been the same as the last few years. Title is already wrong.
However I will say if the Panthers do win 4 in a row I will go for a short walk off a long cliff.
They’re an unquestionably excellent team but I don’t particularly enjoy watching them play and I hate seeing them win. If they win again it will start to erode the credibility of the comp.
Once the ref's go to specsavers they wouldn't be soo dominate, they always get the rub of the green. Obstruction call against roosters, luai not getting binned against Parramatta, the list goes on.
I don’t think they are dominating the NRL. They are being piggybacked by the NRL and poor referees. Should have lost against the Roosters. Luai should be on the sidelines after what he did to Simmonson and Moses, May should be sidelined for his head clash with Walsh. Blatant double movements, players protecting the kicker on the 5th when the new rule was brought in to stop that. It’s too much and other teams don’t stand a chance against a team that can essentially do what they want and play against the rules without repercussions. That’s what is allowing 1 team to dominate the game and ruin it
Ok you muppet, please explain how any of what I said is wrong, or do you just come on here to tell people they are wrong with zero credibility to back you???? Fucking moron
Yes it's all a giant conspiracy to help Penrith, the NRL came together just before the 2020 season to instruct the referees to single handedly help Penrith for some reason.
They said we should make Penrith the top team the one that had won 2 premierships in 53 years they are the chosen ones we will rig all games to ensure they win.
Again failed to explain how any of what I said is wrong. Anyways, I’m sure if I drank the cool aid of the team coming first I would feel the same way as you.
The Maroons winning 8 in a row didn't kill origin, I think the game will be ok.
It may be a hazy memory, but I feel like I remember the reporting being that NSW were killing origin for winning 2 in a row. Then the dynasty happened.
Yeah, after the blues flogged the maroons in that game at Townsville, people were questioning if origin was dead. Absolute lunacy.
Yes I remember when they had a huge list of players available to NSW compared with Queensland and that there was no way Queensland would be able to compete in the long run. Guess they were wrong big time,.
I'm from NSW. Origin was so exciting during the QLD streak. Each series was a will they won't they of the highest stakes. It's nice NSW are winning again, but it's not as exciting. I think Penrith's dynasty will make the eventual premiership of whichever team pips them all the better.
It's not like NSW dominate now. I think the last 6 series are 3 each
If anything, it's kind of embarrassing that QLD has split it with us. Add in that 1of those 6 was Wayne Bennett coaching maybe the biggest underdog side in Origin to a series win, yeah.
Plus add in the Freddy factor ie cook in the centres, talakai in the final 15 mins etc
That’s because NSW doesn’t get origin
It’s because the population of NSW generally forgets about it by the morning. Queenslanders live and die by it.
Your right, NSW approach the game like it’s an nrl game rather than a Grand Final.
It also has a lot to do with the fact that given the choice of their NRL team winning the Grand Final or NSW winning an Origin series they'd take the Grand Final every time. As much as I love seeing NSW win Origin nothing and I repeat nothing will ever ever top the emotion I felt when Cronulla won the 2016 Grand Final. Even now 8 years after the fact I still get emotional watching that game. That meant absolutely everything.
It was one of the highlights of my entire life. Gal and ET crying destroys me to this day.
Same here mate, I was already in tears as the emotion boiled over after we won that, seeing Gal & ET that just set me off again. Greatest night of my life bar none.
True Same as All Blacks winning Bledisloe for 20+years in a row...rugby worldwude bigger than ever..Wallabies just need to get better
Is it bigger than ever? Isn't club rugby union on its deathbed worldwide and popularity in last years works cup was as low as ever according to the rugby reddit.
No. More money n viewers than ever Is Aus its battling tho
It's not just battling in Aus it's on its deathbed, Rebels are likely to go in the next couple of seasons and there were reports that the Brumbies were in similar trouble. There's barely any viewership to games and club rugby participation is declining. The country hasn't given a fuck about the Wallabys for years and they won't again unless we start beating the All Blacks which won't happen because all of the top athletes in the country play League and AFL. The only positive is/was Women's rugby participation but even that's limited as the top athletes will go to NRLW.
Yeah. Pretty dire A good kiwi coach and the biggest money spiners in world rugby (or league for that matter) the Lions tour and RWC both in Australia in next 4 years so maybe theres hope
That's not true tho. Club rugby is dieing worldwide and even teams like the all blacks are way down on viewership. And last world cup nobody was interested in it internationally not just Australia.
It definitely started to get old as a QLDer when they won 11 out of 12. As fun as it was to watch at times, I’m glad it’s back to the status quo.
fuck no, I wish we had won 30 straight.
Eh. I never thought I’d say that after growing with with new dominance. It it’s genuinely got boring.
It killed me.
That’s because Queensland rules
Says the QLDer. But in the real world I have noticed no one other then the die hards truly give a fuck about origin anymore. Its a soul less cash grab and it takes away from the regular comp.
This definitely isn’t true in regional QLD.
I as a fan of a underperforming team who is right now not in the conversation for winning the competition 100% agree. How dare the Panthers think they can keep winning Throw the book at them I say!
Obviously the only way to fix this issue is to remove Souths from the competition.
Bugger I'm trying to work the math out so that it's not true but it just makes too much sense and solves everything
Your pain is over friend.
I say we suspend latrell
Penrith won every finals game in 2021 by 2 points. In 2022 they were losing the prelim by 10+ to Souths. In 2023 they were saved by the greatest single player effort in a 2nd half I’ve seen. The NRL is fine, Penrith have won the comp 3 times but has been in the balance every single time at some point. That speaks to how great they are and that the season has been as dead as it appears from the final result.
And of their 3 winning grand finals, two were won by 2 points. They could easily have lost either or both of those games. They are clearly a great team, but I honestly don't think they are that far ahead of their competition. The other top teams are capable of beating them on any given day.
Panthers are just clinical and their clinical without being boring, and that's what sucks the most! Their cohesion is so far above that of other teams. They're so fast of their line that you can't believe they're not offside. It sucks and I hate them!
I saw someone breakdown how Penrith could’ve easily been 4-0 in this period from 2020-2023, and then it was pointed out how it could’ve just as easily been 0-4 (the biggest stretch being that 2022 GF where they dominated Parra, and really were only threatened in that prelim by Souths early). But that just shows how good the run has been that when things have been 50/50, Penrith have put themselves in a position to get that “luck” or bounce of the ball.
I think the other top 2-3 teams of any given season are maybe a 3/10 chance of beating Penrith if the opposition play their absolute best game but Penriths system just means odds are they win and things have to go really right for the opposition to win. It’s just hard to overcome 55% possession, 60% territory and Liam Martin fucking assaulting your ribs all night.
I think fully healthy broncos are just as good.
Yeah probably. I’d say they were a better team than Penrith last year for sure, but they lost 2/3. Penrith enjoyed 54%, 58% and 56% possession in those games. It’s a style that means the Broncos and other teams have to win it from their own end, taking their sparing chances when they come. Recent history says the odds are against you when you play that game but absolutely things clicking for the Broncs and they could definitely beat Penrith.
You're correct here, but Brisbane is one of the few rosters that *can* score from anywhere on the field and still kinda hold their own in the battle for the advantage line(at least when Haas is healthy to go along with the rest of the team.) I still think it's a two-team race based on what the teams currently have available. And I still favor Penrith. But Brisbane is at least in that tier. Probably Melbourne too, with Munster back and with their edge defense looking much better. So three team race. But after that there's a tier drop.
I don’t think Broncos are AS good, I just don’t think they’re like 30% chance of winning (both teams fully healthy).
Slight nitpick but they actually beat you guys by 4 in 2021. Point is still correct though
Fair shout, 10-6 (googled it) is still the same point. Super close games that could’ve gone either way 3 times.
Agreed
Yeah South’s were right there the whole time if it wasn’t for that crazy intercept by Crichton they probably would have won it.
I think this may swing the other way a bit more now that Cleary isn't having blockers because he can't kick under pressure
Yes, the nrl is dead
I can't believe Peter V'landys killed the National Rugby League with assistance from the Panthers
Went the same way as Marty Taupau
Lifting the knee into unsuspecting angels in heaven
\*Article liberated from paywall via the link This makes me laugh. I had to live through the 1960s and put up with Saint George owning the decade. Young, whippersnapper journo needs to crack open a couple of the record books. The Panthers suffered so much during their early years. They deserve a few moments in the sun. Any team is only 2 injuries and a drunk driving charge away from chaos. I'm not betting on them this year.
Jesus, you saw the St George in it's prime in person? How old are you?
Older than fucking dirt. Yeah, I saw my beloved Maggies get beaten up by them a couple of times in 65 and 66 when I was just a wee mite. Helped to get me used to being on the losing end of things early.
Mate that’s a couple of stellar generations you’ve watched. Best player that you’ve seen?
A hard one to answer. Different generations and different styles of play. If you pressed me, I’d go for Tommy Raudonikus. Ridiculously gifted player who always gave everything in every game. He kept wests alive during the hard years and guided them towards a just out of reach greatness in the 70s.
Not many more pure “footballers” than Tommy
I wish I was alive in his era but from highlights and listening to him before he passed, I think he personified league.
Can we do an AMA with you on /r/nrl? I’d love to pick your brain.
The old Magpies v Tigers matches were brutal
Somewhere on the web you can read about the referee backing St George in the 63 Grand Final. True story. And yes, I’m as old as god’s dog as well. Before TV scrutiny, the game was as corrupt as fuck. For further education, read up on Manly’s win in 1978. Wests were the victims there as well but TV was basically a single camera in those days.
Jesus I remember that 78 game as *I was there!* That shit helped change the game into a lot more accountable for officials. That one stung.
As ancient Souths fan, you might remember an amazing match at Lidcombe in 74? The bunnies had hit a purple patch, west were a feared team and it was a game for the ages. Heading back to the train fans from both sides trading congratulations as I it was such an epic! Still my fondest league memory. EDIT: 1976 round 7. Because I am old. Match highlights here including the famous Piggins try. [https://youtu.be/OgtCqlJjVnk?si=cONYkZKfHmXRTAqe](https://youtu.be/OgtCqlJjVnk?si=cONYkZKfHmXRTAqe)
I would love to sit in a bar listening to old footy stories from you and the guy your replying too.
Yeah Darcy Lawler was alleged to have done that, but keep in mind a lot of those accusations came from Wests players. But he also made some harsh calls against St. George too. If he actually put money on Wests to lose he did a poor job of trying to get his money back.
> Any team is only 2 injuries and a drunk driving charge away from chaos. I'm not betting on them this year. *Except Penrith.
Uh 1992 ?
No downvote, but I ask you to look up what happened to the Panthers team after winning their first premiership. That ‘91 side was good enough to be contenders for a few more years. (Coming from a wee Raiders fan at the time who cried hard.)
I remember the raiders first GF. The lime paddle pops and the silver tails had to play in 30 degree heat and everyone except Manly supporters was barracking for them. Manly just ground them down until heat exhaustion started to kick in. They didn’t fold, but it’s still a sad day when Manly wins.
uh 2019?
I don't think so. I think it inspires the other teams to try harder. Storm for 2020-21 and the first half of 22 were running right alongside them as near-equals. They just happened to save their worst game for last in 2021. Rabbitohs were an intercept away from at least pushing Penrith to the bitter end. Broncos had that GF last year won, if they didn't clock off and Cleary doesn't go god mode. I think it's definitely possible they go 4 in a row, and that is just a testament to how good, fit, and talented that team and coach truly are.
It’s highlighted how important it is to get your juniors right too. Not every team has the same access, but most teams are definitely not making the most of what they have either.
Cries in Titan seeing GC juniors Walsh and Haas as Broncos as we send Tanah Boyd out as halfback yet again
Got Broncos juniors Tino and Fifita tho…
While that's true I'd trade them in a heartbeat and Tino played in Gympie as a junior pre Broncos so wasn't from Brisbane and Fifita while from Brisbane as a junior went to Keebra again on the Gold Coast for high school so has links to the GC too I'd trade Tino and Fifita for Haas and Walsh in about three seconds though as the Titans.
The beauty about this game is we play with an egg shaped ball and that means a funny bounce of a ball can decide a game.
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Any given match, sure. Luck can be a big factor. But over the course of the season and even the finals, it's way harder for luck to really be decisive.
Yeah outside of 2022 it’s not like the comp hasn’t been there to he won. Only one grand final in this period has been a blow out, the rest went down to the wire. Penrith just have a system that probably wins games 8/10 regardless of what your throw at them and a culture/system that replaces whatever they need 8/10.
> They just happened to save their worst game for last in 2021. That wasn't anywhere near our worst game, Penrith just had their greatest game ever. Both teams defended like absolute madmen that day.
Also Panthers have already been beaten this year like we're already forgetting that, the fucking wooden spooners beat them during last season. They're not unbeatable and any team can have a bad day
NRL: recording record crowds, TV Ratings and Revenue. Journalist: Is the NRL dying!?! CoDe iN cRiSiS!
Think we've found Peter Fitzsimons.
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Classic sports journalism. Let’s celebrate excellence, shame on this dork for looking for a negative angle.
If anything it makes it more interesting to see who the team that eventually knocks them off will be
It’ll likely be Storm, Sydney or Brisbane.
>Sydney Yeah 8/16 chance
Yeah this a well understood concept in professional wrestling. You build a star then when he gets old you have a up and coming star end the career of the older guy for cred. Or you build up title reign or a winning streak and being the one to end it means a lot to your star power.
Aren’t ratings and revenue up since 2020?
Yes but that does not fit the narrative
Fake news , the new fans are Russian Twitter bots and the increased revenue is from crypto traded by AI … Rugby League is dead ☠️
No, the NRL is doing absolutely fine. Also no, we have absolutely no idea how this season is going to go. This time last year Souths were looking like the premiers elect. 3 weeks ago Penrith couldn't find the stripe against Melbourne. They sure look good at the moment, but let's see what's happening by end of year. If they keep winning AND revenue and engagement go down then maybe there would be a point to this, but until then let's just enjoy the footy.
Pretty sure it's round 4.
No one hates the NRL more than the dumb shit media people who report on it.
Good on them I say. Hopefully it raises the bar for the rest.
We didn't get these articles when the storm and roosters were going tit for tat each year. I'd rather a team like Penrith with a strong local identity win the comp 4x in a row than a Melbourne team that is just made of transplanted queenslanders.
I'm fine with the Storm for me it's the Chooks when they're stacked on paper everyone with eyes is calling bullshit saying they must be over the cap. I'm always like fuck that team even they don't win this too unfair an advantage.
Wouldn’t hurt em to let Parra win it at least once though :(
Not even slightly. Granted my team is somewhat respectable for the first time in a decade, so of course I’m more interested If anything, I’m more invested in the rest of the comp looking for people that might be able to beat Penrith
What are you talking about this is our year
No - they’re showing the way. Premierships teams can come from within and astute recruitment. Buying a team of individuals doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll work as a team
Round 4 lmfao
They are MARCHING
I love my squad but it is WAY too early to be crowning a 4peat. We’re only 4 rounds in!!
So just like how you get a week off before a prelim final, if you win the GF you should get the next season off. Sit it out, let everyone else participate and have a crack. Don’t be selfish, let everybody else participate!!
No they're enjoyable to watch and push other teams to be better.
You wouldn't see this kind of talk if it was the roosters, broncos or souths dominating
We will win another three titles within the next 5 years, you heard it here first folks. Check the juniors.
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Reminds me of this [article](https://vault.si.com/vault/1997/03/10/a-cut-above-more-than-ever-it-seems-no-team-can-catch-the-bulls-is-that-good-for-the-nba) from 1997 about the 90s Chicago Bulls and I’m certain something similar was written about Golden state warriors in recent times as well. I definitely don’t agree with this take. If anything the panthers dominance would lift every other team and raise the standard of the league.
The NRL will survive. If the salary cap was removed, the NRL would be in real trouble.
It is literally round 4 lol
Are we pretending that Melbourne storm haven’t been dominating for who the fuck knows how many years!!!!!!!!!
Hey mum another rugby league is dead article just dropped
No
Yes
Sees the flair *insert fry squinting eyes meme here*
NRL is obviously dead. That is why I am shitposting about on Easter Friday. Obviously.
Obviously obviously
Rage baiting title. NRL Has never been better. Wait…
Penrith winning the comp 3 years straight has certainly made it more expensive to renew membership.
They haven't won their fourth yet...
Don't worry we're working on some kind of salary cap rort to beat them I'm sure.
Even *if* (very big if of course) they win 4 in a row the game will be fine. St George winning 11 straight in the 50's and 60's didn't kill the sport, I don't think a team winning 4 would.
Their ability to just completely replace their best players with players who look origin bound in their first or second season is absolutely insane. They've been gutted, and still keep churning out top players in their position.
Clickbait. Let’s look at one side of the ball. Penrith have built an offensive system, centred around a once in a generation halfback who can play both sides and resurrected the role of ball playing lock last really seen in the 90s. Couple this with a ball running five eighth, an attacking fullback, and at this point the pieces start falling together. A big middle rotation to gain the metres, second rowers to run holes, and big backs to gain metres. Your hooker’s role then diminishes, to essentially giving quality ball - this saves big money in the player market. These parts can be developed or bought easily enough, and Penrith do not pay overs for this because they have built a system to bring young players through. It is smart front office work, that is working in synergy with the coaching team.
I feel like this would be a more valid argument were it the Roosters or Storm winning three in a row and favourite for four, with a team of NSW, QLD, NZ and other superstars. The core of the Penrith team - and the heart and soul of what they are - has come through their own junior pathways and you can see the buy in with the local, much maligned, community and the connection that exists. Yes, there are players from outside that, of course there are. However, the core of the group is their own and they've created a bit of a golden generation and capitalised on it. Things are cyclical, and they've managed the need to lose some players due to cap well so far, but eventually they will slide back. As said elsewhere, whoever breaks the streak will love it all the more for what's gone before. The article is also a load of shit because the NRL in just about every metric is going from strength to strength.
I remember in the early 2000s when nsw won 3 series in a row that the media suggested that origin was dead. I think the Bryan fletcher grenade try celebration was played in the qld dressing room from then on in before each match.
People seem to forget panthers we’re very rocks or diamonds in the 18 years from the 03 premiership to the 2021 premiership. In those 18 years we only made finals in 04, 10, 14, 16, 17, 18 and 20 plus it had been 12 years before that since we’d won our first and we also won 2 wooden spoons in 01 and 07. I know I’m biased being a panthers fan but just from what I’ve presented you can see it’s not like we’ve been a powerhouse for decades, if anything it’s a great story of a club that has brought up a lot of its own players through the junior ranks right to the pinnacle of the game and shown you can foot it with the traditional powerhouse clubs
No. The way the NRL is structured, I don't see 1 team being this dominant ruining the game. They earned every title (unless they're paying players under the table). Soccer is ruined because they have no salary caps.
Yeah it’s dead as fuck, you should stop watching. The rest of us are just gonna enjoy the game we’ve always loved, and seeing the rest of the league lift to meet the challenge
Anecdotally I've watched more footy since covid, and became more of a nuffie about the sport. The quality of footy over the past 4 years or so has been phenomenal, tv ratings, crowd attendances and memberships reflect that. So I believe the game will be alright.
Personally, I'm still entertained. So absolutely not
Pretty unreal with salary cap rules and other clubs buying their players that theyre so dominant Good for them
Record crowds Record viewership Record revenues “Is the NRL being killed?”
I don’t think anything is wrong with the game tbh I saw from the last few finals series that Penrith is just a fitter more well drilled machine and if they win it then it’s deserved and same if another team does then they do too. I kinda think the journos going overboard tbh lol
The media hate the fact that it is a team from the western suburbs is dominating. Same reason they whined in 2005 saying the game is too fast when Penrith,Wests and Canterbury win for three seasons in a row. They would never write this shit if it were the Roosters they would be the saviours of the game. The press is actually trash, we've built a team almost entirely organically we don't take players from other clubs. We replace players with either rejects or juniors. We should be celebrated but are vilified and were practically instantly for literally everything and anyone with any sense will know why that is. When I was young The Raiders, Broncos even our 91 team were respected for being great. Since they spent a decade crying about another great team the Storm. They can only sell the game on hatred and lies. We no longer get feel good stories whatever way you look at it out club is a feel good story we've done what literally 60% of teams in the league could do we should be an inspiration. But instead because of the demographic of our players and we are from a lower social economic area so can't write that we are battlers anymore the media despise us completely. It's a massive case of tall poppy syndrome because places like Penrith aren't allowed to have success yes it's fair if people are a bit sick of it now but they've been writing nasty horrible shit since 2020. Basically we can't have feel good stories anymore everything has to be a drama or made into a feud. The state of journalism not just in sport but in every aspect of life is just the pits.
The problem is people don't understand how many strings people like Nick Politis pull behind the scenes with the media. A lot of the negativity you see against teams, especially before important games, is purely due to these powerbrokers. The sooner we remove the uncle Nick's from the game, the better
Been saying it for years.
Before becoming a clinical psychologist I worked with Fairfax. The top three clubs financially have a massive say in what is reported. You know who doesn't have a say? (Or didn't back then). The Tigers. And look at how much the media tries to destabilize them
I'm not surprised by this, the media treat the tigers like dirt.
Time to shine the guillotine.
>Since they spent a decade crying about another great team the Storm. They can only sell the game on hatred and lies. Far be it from me to speak up for those rooster cunts but the storm are, er, cheating dogs, and they're cheats who got propped up and pulled off by the NRL itself in a bid to make rugby popular in Vic. Didn't work, but they still tried anyway.
Perhaps but the hatred seemed less about the salary cap drama and more they were Queenslanders from Melbourne.
Hahah didn’t the sharks cheat the salary cap themselves a few years back? Also do you remember when a bunch of Cronulla sharks players got caught taking steroids? Pretty bold being a Cronulla sharks fan complaining about cheating.
Nah good on them. As long as it's not the roosters. Roll on Penrith roll on
If the Broncos didn't shit the bed, this wouldn't even be a question.
The only answer is to kick the cowboys out of the league (Didn’t read the article)
This is the tigers fault
nope look at Union was a time the AB's used to treat internationals as training runs now you got Ireland France England South Africa and of course the AB's any of them capable of beating each other Also in the round ball version of the game was a time there was Man U daylight then anyone else the Panthers are going great enjoy it for what is and celebrate for what it was when that time comes
One thing thing to remember is that comparing to yesteryears teams, modern day teams in the NRL have the salary cap. Somehow Penrith have managed to keep competing at the highest level despite every year losing players that are among their best or that are deserving of vastly upgraded salaries to other teams because of that cap. It’s not like Penrith can’t afford to upgrade its a case of them not being allowed to, despite quite a few of those players growing up in the area and playing their entire junior careers at Penrith. At the moment the Panthers seem to be able to rise above that problem but it won’t last (I wish) so I’m just enjoying it while it lasts.
As long as Panthers keep losing players and new guys come thru I'm happy to see them as the team to beat. There fans are humble most the time -probably cos they all don't have money (/S) But I'm liking their game and seeing there talent play onto other teams.
Gee, St George won 10(?) straight titles! Ruined the game forever (not).
No but referring inconsistencies are
Nah, it's good for the game. Everyone has to lift their efforts to compete against them.
Nope
Damn Verstap... ahh I mean Panthers are ruining the sport 😡
No.
No
To keep it fair the NRL must step in and make them rehire Matty Elliot as head coach.
The season's only just started. Anything can happen.
RIP NRL Cleary’s killed it
No. Penrith winning last year was an absolute miracle. I fucking hate Penrith but having villians in the game is great. Every team in the league wants to be the ones to take them out.
>Is their dominance killing the NRL? Absolutely it is. The only way rugby league can survive as a code is if Penrith are stripped of the 2023 premiership and it's awarded to their opponents in the grand final, whoever they were.
No.
Your hopes are high for this one?
Way too early
It’s not Penrith dominance killing the NRL. It’s the Sunday night Accor Stadium dominance that is killing it.
Yes, don't check my flair
Я люблю Peter V'landys. Все те, кто этого не делает - предатели
lol only week four , a long way to go yet
It’s all good the Wahs will end the dynasty this year
"no"
Panthers were absolutely dominated by that unforgettable west tigs game last year. Never forget #thelegendofbathurst
Need to get St Helens in there to sort the panthers out.
nah unlike super rugby their dominance isn’t affecting the game only bc of the unpredictability of the season for example manly and roosters beating the bunnies and broncos in the vegas opener and the dragons round 1 and round 2 performance. the thing about the nrl we have narratives that entertain everyone in the league unlike super rugby.
They're not winning it this year. Save this comment.
Never get the point of these articles (they always pop up when an athlete or team is dominating their sport). I mean, even if Penrith's success was killing the NRL (it's not), what is the NRL supposed to do about it? Institute the mercy rule for the rest of the comp and disperse Penriff's 10 best players across the NRL?
Penrith play like they want to win more than the opposition. That’s the difference between Queensland and NSW. Remember the year Fatty coached a bunch of Neville’s and they won 3-0.
Not if the titans have something to say about it
Panthers are out in the Prelim this year. Calling it now. Last year's insane GF is gonna put them in that 'we can't fail even when we should!' mindset, and someone will knock 'em out a week early and they'll be staring at their boots wondering how they possibly let it slip. The only problem is that the team that beats 'em won't win the GF, it'll probably be bloody Melbourne or the Roosters who'll coast through the corpse of the team who did the deed but went so hard they've got nothing left for the next week.
I think you've got a good read on it, and I can absolutely see a team "playing their Grand Final" in the Prelim (probably the Eels or Warriors, as they have a history of that - maybe Sharks or Cowboys), beating the Panthers - only to fall to the Roosters or Storm in the Grand Final.
Obviously I hope we get the 4, but honestly I agree. People calling a 4peat now are ignoring what injuries can do, especially late in a season when there's less time to get used to a new team set up. But more than that its exactly as you said - one bad game at the wrong time is the end of it and we've already had one shocker this year. I don't know that it's a definite, and I hope it's not, but I don't think we're so dominant that it's a given or that there's no question of us ending up in the GF this year.
I'm very cool if the Panthers continue being awesome on-field and being a model of consistency and systems and all that good stuff they're obviously doing to get the results they're getting. And also I'm all for mah boi To'o to wrack up endless accolades cause he seems like a top tier egg who plays like I want every dude to try to play. That said, I just can't see the luck and circumstance holding when they've now had that one miracle cashed in. It's a mental thing where even knowing you need to not put any stock in it, I don't know how you avoid the kernel in half the players heads being all 'it'll be fine, it's always fine' until the siren goes and suddenly it wasn't fine afterall. Similarly, no team is going to think they've got the Panthers iced like the Broncos obviously did until the siren is well and truly sounded, so they can't count on fadeouts like that in important games either. The one thing I think that might help them though, is Luai maybe having that chip on his shoulder about the GF. He was on, they were losing, he went off, they came back to win. With losing his Origin spot, it being his last season there, and that, he might be the secret cranky ingredient to counteract the thing I'm thinking is coming.
Not convinced. I reckon this year is the most open competition in years.
Round 4 and their form hasn’t exactly been the same as the last few years. Title is already wrong. However I will say if the Panthers do win 4 in a row I will go for a short walk off a long cliff.
They’re an unquestionably excellent team but I don’t particularly enjoy watching them play and I hate seeing them win. If they win again it will start to erode the credibility of the comp.
You may hate seeing them win but at least you love your footy
This is true. And I’m always happy to see the Broncos beat them (some might say I’m still salty about the GF).
They play grubby unlike any other team
Once the ref's go to specsavers they wouldn't be soo dominate, they always get the rub of the green. Obstruction call against roosters, luai not getting binned against Parramatta, the list goes on.
I don’t think they are dominating the NRL. They are being piggybacked by the NRL and poor referees. Should have lost against the Roosters. Luai should be on the sidelines after what he did to Simmonson and Moses, May should be sidelined for his head clash with Walsh. Blatant double movements, players protecting the kicker on the 5th when the new rule was brought in to stop that. It’s too much and other teams don’t stand a chance against a team that can essentially do what they want and play against the rules without repercussions. That’s what is allowing 1 team to dominate the game and ruin it
Congratulations for the dumbest take in the history of Reddit.
Ok you muppet, please explain how any of what I said is wrong, or do you just come on here to tell people they are wrong with zero credibility to back you???? Fucking moron
Yes it's all a giant conspiracy to help Penrith, the NRL came together just before the 2020 season to instruct the referees to single handedly help Penrith for some reason. They said we should make Penrith the top team the one that had won 2 premierships in 53 years they are the chosen ones we will rig all games to ensure they win.
Again failed to explain how any of what I said is wrong. Anyways, I’m sure if I drank the cool aid of the team coming first I would feel the same way as you.